VGC Rates

[covert hill]

he has spore to put things asleep

he has clear smog to spot tatsugiri + dondozo

for example

for a support try grimm for example for screens

murkrow is rlly solid aswell

or talonflame

talonflame and murkrow both have tailwind with priority and murkrow has some really good support moves

murkrow has postpone, taunt, tailwind, haze

about the attackers I love gholdengo

he isn't that fast but he has really valuable immunities with he's typing and ability and can threaten many things with make it rain

but u need a fast attacker so u don't get outsped

[golden patrol]

smth else? i never like ultra meta mons haha

it's like i tried it but nahhh

[covert hill]

try roaring moon

[golden patrol]

same was for zacian in swsh

[covert hill]

i've never used roaring moon but he seems rlly solid

or volcarona

or dragonite

Dragonite E speed with tera normal is really solid

one DD and u can have a great damage output

[golden patrol]

@winter gulch may i ask for some suggestions by your side?
Like - i would need smth near a pokepaste yk

[winter gulch]

suggestions for what

[golden patrol]

https://pokepast.es/73ce508588893780 this team, wanted to exclude breloom and palafin mainly

also garchomp can go if you think about better choices

just pls avoid gholdengo

[sour rain]

https://pokepast.es/30789ab5045d9593 thoughs? Slitherwing is a mon I want to use bc i like it but i dont mind replacing it trying to get into vgc

i forgot item clause lol so i changed booster to leftovers for slither

[bold creek]

@covert hill I Prefered to have my goodra be very bulky Which is why I used lum rest for recovery and also Trick room mimikyu It because on hardcore trickroom you usually want two trick room setters. Also Lum berry cures any status conditions so I dont need pelipper and sap sipper cause it the most viable ability

[bold creek]

Looks solid however many change sliver wing to amoonguss to balance the core

[bold creek]

Maybe Arcanine and amoonguss?

[sour rain]

waht do you reccomend on the lad necver jhave used one so im not sure

[bold creek]

Tbf

Like personally

No need for talonflame

Maybe have tailwind on roaring moon instead of dragon dance

switch talonflame for iron hands

and if you want switch slivereing for amoonguss

[sour rain]

well i use DDance so that way i can setup to sweep with tera flying acro

[bold creek]

ye but U alr get attack boost with booster energy so no need

U want me to send u ss of improvements?

or well suggestions?

[sour rain]

well i know mushroom boy i got that one just not sure what else

clear smog spore rage powder pollen puff amooongus?

[bold creek]

ye

[sour rain]

what tera?

[bold creek]

dark or water

in my opinion

[sour rain]

@bold creek https://pokepast.es/84ba4f089de41091 something like this

[bold creek]

Ye alot better

But

One small change

make arcanine tera type dark

[sour rain]

this is my first time really doing vgc or making a team so i tried to take parts from teams i saw and put them together

[bold creek]

ye maybe start off with playing teams rental codes

honestly I play stupid stuff or gimmicky pokemon

[sour rain]

ill prob wait till i get better at it to do stuff like that lol

[hallow wing]

https://pokepast.es/80203dcaf26998b4 this is my first time making a vgc team. so it might be pretty bad but I'd like all the advice I can get

[agile shell]

I need help on gastrodon all this mf does is die

Literally anytime I try to bring him over Arcanine just to try him is an L lol

[balmy valley]

https://pokepast.es/3a14b99852276a2f
sooooo

I dunno about Low Kick on Dragonite (it OHKOes Kingambit but haven't seen much of that)

probably something to hit Flutter with

but other than that this team has been gucci, any thoughts?

[agile shell]

Also kills dark types

Like moon

[manic pond]

I would consider giving the sash to the flutter mane

Since you’re leaning into perish song

Being able to get it off and then living one hit is important and more consistent

And then I’d give pelipper something like damp rock, Sitrus berry, or even the life orb (which I wouldn’t suggest but you could)

[balmy valley]

nah the bulk on Flutter is more than enough to live pretty much anything that wouldn't OHKO it

Low Kick was to hit Kingambit

[manic pond]

fair enough

good way to work around that

https://pokepast.es/593c458a3e3c408e

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic pond]

any advice?

[winter gulch]

holy cow

This is the first team I've seen in a while that I could consider using myself

LOL

TW > Taunt, a better move > Pain Split and its great

maybe Leaf Storm > Protect on Amoonguss to help with Dozo a bit

[manic pond]

i used to have tailwind and i would barely click it

and I had trouble with garganacl amoongus and annhilape + maushold

so taunt helped with all of those

i just never saw a place where i needed to be faster

bc all of the mons are living any hit

i could def try something over pain slit thought

what do you think?

[winter gulch]

Dazzling could work

[manic pond]

true

bro pain split is so funny to use

[winter gulch]

I've seen things like Mystical Fire, Power Gem work too which is interesting

[manic pond]

i just get broght down to sash

use it

bring anything down to 50%

and then knock it out with either palafin

or roaring moon

its such a troll move

[winter gulch]

If it works for you, go for it lol

but Dazzling Gleam would probably be the best

[manic pond]

youre right

ill try that

but taunt has been a more consistent utility move for me

very good against indeedee

maushold

amoongus

garg

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/a8be151daaf8b1c9 any improvements?

[bold creek]

@sand minnow Its a standard team dont need any improvements really its solid

https://pokepast.es/f0fb4c99add44bb8

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

This team may seem odd But It slaps everything with base 134 SpA in trickroom

[cursive mason]

Seems pretty solid, might want a different fourth move on Ghold like focus blast or steel beam

Also you probably want at least some speed on iron hands for the mirror

[covert hill]

hi everyone, opinions on this team?

https://pokepast.es/979e340c47ccf664

[heady kiln]

I don't see the incentive to run talon here

tailwind is only particularly helpful with kingambit

[covert hill]

mmm so maybe arcanine?

for support

[bold creek]

add some bulk to dragonite maybe

Personally Have A tanky pokemom like gastradon instead of talonflame

[manic pond]

I would say either Sitrus berry or mental herb on amoongus

[manic pond]

I usually like to run steel beam thunder as my last moves on gholdengo but those two are ok

[covert hill]

i'll try that

ty

[bold creek]

really thunder is only gud on rain

And hurricane

Although It wouldnt make any logical sense iron jugilus would be better with thunder although he doesnt learn it

[manic pond]

Thunder bolt

My fault

[bold creek]

Oh k

Ngl choice specs is like the best versatile for gholdengo

cause U can run 4 coverage moves and not two predictable ones

[manic pond]

Personally I like bulky life orb nasty plot

One nasty plot and you’re rolling through everything

[bold creek]

Tru

Anyome wanna run some games?

[manic pond]

id be down

[bold creek]

wait just asking yall

Do you guys usually play pokemon showdown or do tourdaments or ladder on Switch?

For me its a mix of ladder and showdown

[manic pond]

exlusively showdown

https://pokepast.es/027954668507989a

slapped this baby together real quick

any advice?

[bold creek]

idk

I ro random stuff

I was like 3k ladder and now I am 20k lol

Just do stupid stuff cause bored

After a while Its gets boring

[spiral shale]

https://pokepast.es/b29212c481473b36
any raters do 19

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Everyone but me LOL

[normal stream]

im like 98% sure follpw me lucaroo aint even legal

also a 19 team with 0 ground resist is lol

[spiral shale]

it is legal

but yeah my pdon “check” atm is z lunala but thats not that solid

[sand minnow]

I’d say shuca or sitrus berry on incin and amoonguss doesn’t really do much besides spore

As fini already haze stat removal and heal support

[spiral shale]

rage pwder

[sand minnow]

I mean then again its good reassurance

And you really don’t need lucario if you already have redirection

Honestly it’s wasting your mega slot

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/b1d2cf0f2ab8943a thoughts on this flutter moth team?

[bold creek]

personally got for SD iron hands

got enough bulk w gastradon and grim

[charred charm]

https://pokepast.es/924d7e93c4f7ded7 Wanted to run a tinka team. Thoughts

[cursive mason]

Isn’t this just the team from Wolfe’s vid but the earlier version that had LO Ghold instead of specs and helping hand tink instead of knock

[hallow wing]

https://pokepast.es/80203dcaf26998b4 first time making a vgc team so I'd like all the help and advice I can get

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

You have a lot of Ground weaknesses with Noivern being your only resist, which isn't great at all, especially with Tusk around. I think the Hands/Ghold/Amoon/Bundle core is solid (just remember to change the Tera types), and I would change Noivern to Talonflame to get priority Tailwind. Also Rocky Helm Amoonguss isn't seeing as much use this format, maybe try a pinch berry (like Wiki)

[hallow wing]

https://pokepast.es/9d4e233d7b1ddc84 would this work a bit more?

[sand minnow]

I sometimes use rocky helmet in case of shit like palafin

Wave crash recoil plus redirection rocky helmet oh boy

[rocky reef]

https://pokepast.es/f19b61147776fa00 how does this team look

any suggestions

[stuck sigil]

https://pokepast.es/ba538a41be12997c

https://pokepast.es/6517b73ac68058a1

any suggestions

which yall think is better

weaknesses to other strategys

the like\

[stuck sigil]

edit

i changed the first team to have the rm ib sets from the other team

so theyre very similar

[sand minnow]

You need life orb on armarouge if tera psychic. Also focus blast? Swap that out for energy ball and change to tera grass for spore immunity. Swap wiki berry on indeedee for psychic seed and you don’t need psyshock all too much on deedee either so give it protect. Also I would prefer you run sash on bundle over lorb. Also full investment on tinkaton’s attack? The way your moveset on it is making it look more like a support so change it to a bulky spread. And give sitrus berry to iron hands as you need berry recovery for setup hands. If you want a berry on tinkaton try finding a bulky spread on it first and a berry that would help synergize with tink’s nature

[bold creek]

anyone wanna run n some vgc games on showdown cause i'm bored

[hidden path]

sure

nvm

[bold creek]

lol

If anyone else just ping me

[manic pond]

If you’re gonna do flutter moth stuff I’d go heavy into the offense and use specs on flutter

[manic pond]

Personally I would never touch iron thorns

But I would run something like swords dance protect rock blast thunder punch

That way your loaded dice gets more value from rock blast rather than a weak move like pin missile

And you pit on heavy offensive pressure with swords dance

[hallow wing]

what could I replace for the iron thorns?

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/a33ae04d6528b0d5

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

Some random team I made cause bored

Got like a 15 win streak with it idk how on decently high ladder just wondering how I can improve it

[sand echo]

https://pokepast.es/3f6af7709871c2b2

[sand minnow]

You have no form of redirection

Replace something for maushold as it pairs well with ape

[safe wagon]

First VGC team, got some 12 year old calling me homosexual within 2 games, so that's a good sign, I guess

Anyway, rate my team
https://pokepast.es/11b6e72030c20191

[sand echo]

alr ty

what would u suggest i replace

i’m leaning towards hands or ttar

[bold creek]

@safe wagon 8/10 Maybe change moushold?

[rocky reef]

https://pokepast.es/f19b61147776fa00 does this team feel like it has enough synergy to work

[bold creek]

More speed control

Lego

[rocky reef]

I’m open to suggestions for new mons and Serbs

[bold creek]

Its gud

but maybe have

Abomasnow

for SpD boost

and aurora vail

also its more offensive

[rocky reef]

I was thinking that maybe

Replace for who?

Grimm?

[bold creek]

Lemme see

imma copy paste team and improve it

send it back

that ok?

[rocky reef]

Awesome

Yeah ofc I’m open to new ideas

[bold creek]

ight give me 5

[safe wagon]

yeah I find it hasn’t been doing much for the team

[bold creek]

@rocky reef

https://pokepast.es/f4cbf5c1a6a14184

Made it a bit more bulky to suit the team and change iv spreads and movesets abit

One thing maybe chnage cetitan tera type to fire

[rocky reef]

Alright alright I like it

[bold creek]

steel is fine though

[rocky reef]

I figured the fairy coverage couldn’t hurt

[bold creek]

Ye tru but sandy kinda covers

espathara

[rocky reef]

True true

[bold creek]

got hypnosis

[rocky reef]

How come light screen on pathra?

[covert hill]

hi everyone can you rate this team? i'm not sure about it

https://pokepast.es/7e069e4c372c5e6b

it doesn't seem very good

I'm just trying new stuff

[bold creek]

Cause of flutter mane and iron bundle

If aboma bad espatha light can help

[rocky reef]

Covers special moves makes sense

[bold creek]

but u can add dazzling gleam fairy

tera

[rocky reef]

I like that, I was messing with the baton pass cause the speed boost is fun to pass

[safe wagon]

what should i swap maushold out for?

[bold creek]

Wait

send team again

I can see it again lol

[safe wagon]

https://pokepast.es/11b6e72030c20191

[bold creek]

can I copy and paste and improve it

then it send it back again?

[safe wagon]

sure

[bold creek]

Ight

[safe wagon]

what changes are you planning on making?

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/798f7d9c4a68529d

This team is with moushold

without it consider Nasty plot set bulky gholdengo and replace mousehold with screens Grim with spirit break and thunder wave

@safe wagon

It will fall to either bulky setters sweep or fast offensive

but the overall team gotta we wary of hard trickroom

[sand echo]

https://pokepast.es/71477f01a5d5ee55 added maushold

[bold creek]

@sand echo

Looks solid maybe add some bulk such as amoonguss

or speed control

[stuck sigil]

Thanks, never thought about things like Tera grass and went psychic for more damage

[sand echo]

what would a speed control be

[bold creek]

honestly murkrow for king gambit

Protect on valiant as well

and maybe amoonguss for maus

[stuck sigil]

Icy wind bundle also works

[bold creek]

and then arcanine for annihilape

tru tru

its cause garchomp and valiant heavy rely on outspeeding

[stuck sigil]

Yeah

Booster energy speed valiant does go crazy though

[bold creek]

Tru

ngl pikachu hits hard

volt tackle smacks everything

[stuck sigil]

I pair it with follow me indeed for a swords dance

[bold creek]

ye

tbf it would be a late game sweeper

cause it cant tank hits really

[stuck sigil]

Yeah

[bold creek]

one sec

[stuck sigil]

I find rm easier to use

[bold creek]

imma make a iron val team real quik

[stuck sigil]

In the same setups

[bold creek]

ye

[stuck sigil]

It can actually tank a hit but you do need to use Tera a lot of the time to protect from fairy and fighting moves

[hearty rampart]

https://pokepast.es/3b3411e1db691a56
Any advice on this? Kinda new to VGC, but I tried to make a team where both Sun and Troom pair up together, with Grimmsnarl as mandatory Prankster support. Armarouge is set up so that Torkoal can use Lava Plume on the switch, activating Flash Fire which boosts Tera Fire Overheat/ Armor Cannon and causes rouge to safely switch out after dealing damage. Indeedee is the Troom setter, and Amoongus functions somewhat similarly.

[bold creek]

pokepast.es/7e6af1a413bf4b54

copied from computer lol

[bold creek]

personally G maybe flutter mane for grim

@hearty rampart can I change team on showdown to improve and send it back?

a lot of improvents can be made

[hearty rampart]

Sure. I'd just prefer not to change Tork or Arm, since they kinda make up the team itself.

[bold creek]

ye they r core pokemon so Wont change them

its really the support

[deft bough]

https://pokepast.es/87c2b969d464173d https://pokepast.es/80b62eead33931ae https://pokepast.es/d958ad98a8cb2adb

making a sand team, could use some advice

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/2d39fc2950bce6ae

@hearty rampart fixed some iv spreads movesets and stuff and pokemon should make the team better overall

[balmy valley]

Eject Pack Armarouge?

Leftovers SD?

I'd go Sitrus over Lefties and Psychic Seed over Terrain Extender tbh, but it's up to you

[hearty rampart]

This looks much better, thank you. Is there a reason Tork runs Charcoal?

[bold creek]

spam eruption

more damage

[bold creek]

boref

anyome wanna run some games on showdown?

[shy flare]

https://pokepast.es/e95e8c696123a77c Any thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

@shy flare get rid of toxic orb

and and palifin pelipper

you dont need 4 water types

[shy flare]

I want to play a Rain team

[deft bough]

just gonna post these again, looking for feedback

[bold creek]

@shy flare If you want a rain team consider taking out dondozo tatsugiri

and pawmot

for roaring moon iron hands and amoonguss

[shy flare]

Why?

[bold creek]

too many weaknesses

[woven rose]

Wondering what to do. Struggling a bit against amourage-indeedee but dragapult also just kinda dies a lot

[north rain]

I need 1 more pokemon, can anyone help me

https://pokepast.es/efa34e80ce744172

[manic pond]

I would get rid of either pelipper or dragapult and add either dark tera snarl arcanine

Or just roaring moon

[eager hinge]

I need a couple more

[winter gulch]

Quick reminder on a couple things we like to see before you ask for a Rate:

Only complete teams (we're here to rate your teams, not build your teams)

Please test your team before you submit it (we have lives too, please save us some time by testing it on ladder first)

Also one team at a time please, it's really daunting to see a stack of 3 teams from the same person, only one at a time pls (it's also in the RMT rules lol)

And please uploaded your teams with Pokepastes rather than a screenshot

Thanks!

[winter gulch]

@bold creek @hearty rampart I agree with this advice, but otherwise the glow ups are decent

[violet notch]

Hi!
I'm participating in an event for which I need three fairy-type pokemon. I understand that the raters do not abide by personal restrictions but if you could keep that in mind or give any suggestions for which three I should use I would really appreciate it. Thank you!
https://pokepast.es/eb81118610157a6c

[winter gulch]

I don't think the four waters are needed, I would remove either the Rain core or the Dozo core. From the way your team is currently built it seems very close to Chuppa Cross' Dozo team, so I would recommend building around Dozo with what you have

[winter gulch]

Building in mind for an event with 3 mandatory fairies, maybe you could look into Pokemon that also resist/check some common fairies too! For a triple fairy team O think it's quite solid, I'm thinking you could maybe try Tinkaton

Amoonguss doesn't need the mental herb btw

O think you would want a fire type on that team to help you deal with Steel types better (such as Arcanine)

[violet notch]

Thank you

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/4b5e52eef4cd1847

im currently mid 1300s with this team

(and another)

https://pokepast.es/a7e8c74d5b54fbca this team and the one above are great imo, but i think i like the above one beetter

[winter gulch]

You need to change the Tera types on your first team

Idk if U-Turn Talonflame is what you want (something like Wisp is better imo), no Protect Bundle makes positioning pretty difficult since you can't switch it out without losing the Booster

[hidden path]

kk

[winter gulch]

Why Weak Armor Armarouge btw

[hidden path]

u turn on tera psychic arma with weakness and psychic surge from indeedee

not a bad strat

[covert hill]

hi everyone, can someone tell me common builds for taurus paldea aqua? I was thinking about using one my team but I'm not sure about his item or movepool

[cursive mason]

This strat is generally not good once you fight actually good players/open teamsheets are in play

[bold creek]

@covert hill mirror herb

Aqua jet

raging bull

protect

close combat

[covert hill]

i understand the moves but why mirror herb?

[cursive mason]

It used to be for kingambit

I’d honestly just go goggles rn

[bold creek]

ye tru

[covert hill]

but i already have googles on arcanine

should i go mirror herb?

[cursive mason]

Uhh sitrus then

[covert hill]

Ok thanks

[winter gulch]

Tauros Aqua isn't really used btw

in Series 2

[covert hill]

yes I've already realised that he isn't that good

I just need a last mon that's why i thought of him

[violet notch]

Hi again!
I updated it slightly
https://pokepast.es/df95b8054cbe9390

arcanine with that spread ohko's most bulky gholdengo's

[bold creek]

Nice

but calm mimd flutter mane?

[violet notch]

what does it normally run

i thought that was standard

im out of touch with the format

[winter gulch]

Fairy STAB + Ghost STAB + Protect +1

[honest burrow]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/bf4a2be1b9ade1b8

[winter gulch]

Your team feels really really passive with not that much damage

I'm not sure why you have TR on the team tbh

and a lot of the sets are kinda odd

Your Mimikyu probably wants a Dual STAB + Sneak + Protect Lorb set, Hands wants AV and Fake Out, Farigiraf isn't really needed, Amoonguss wants a pinch berry, and Roaring Moon wants a more offensive spread with more offensive support with the mon that replaces Firagiraf

[honest burrow]

I’ll probably do the l orb set, but I like everything else, nobody will expect a support roaring moon that can still 1 shot armarogue, farigiraff is my best special attacker, and I don’t want to have to Tera to deal with spore and rage powder, tr is there because it’s a tr team

The whole point is to not be your avg tr team

Also those are the moves and stats that are most often used, and I want to prove that just because something isn’t used very often it doesn’t make the thing bad

[deft bough]

https://pokepast.es/1cbc96e3bece2ff7

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[deft bough]

team revolves around a sand core, looking for improvements, pretty successful so far but it doesn’t completely klick

[honest burrow]

Haha funny meme:

[bold creek]

I dont understand this one bit but it looks cool

[honest burrow]

Explosion is the plan

[honest burrow]

@winter gulch thoughts on my point?

[sand minnow]

Get rid of dozo and tatsu and replace them with amoonguss and roaring moon and also pawmot doesn’t do much besides revival blessing. Replace that with iron hands. Also I really don’t recommend choice band on palafin. Just use mystic water with jet punch, wave crash, haze and protect. Also I would recommend focus sash instead of damp rock with all the iron hands and bundles strolling around. Also there’s no point in roost so just swap that out for hurricane and tera ground won’t do much for what pelipper’s role is. Slap on tera flying and swap for modest nature

[hybrid hatch]

I can prob drop lycanroc he was mostly for murkcrow but since he's dropped alot iron bundle would do me well or should I replace toxricity with t-tar so I have a better way to Play slow match ups outside of getting toxicricty to kill everyone with a boom burst

[covert hill]

https://pokepast.es/9d65571f37b5a2ac thoughts?

[bold creek]

personally add some bulk to dragonite instead of max speed

I was team building some random mirror herb garchomp scovillian team and my dad blocked me from my phone :/

[covert hill]

why?

have u done something?

and apart from the bulk to dragonite would u change something else?

[bold creek]

nothing

its just really late

Ngl I was thinking of some odd sets that could work on pokemon

for example alot of tanky strong pokemon learn rest

so why not pair it with lum berry?

[sand echo]

https://pokepast.es/8f4100b82a8e9a6b

[sharp iris]

roast me
https://pokepast.es/c63f6aa3849b100d

[violet notch]

Hi
https://pokepast.es/61739df642763731

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2023series2-1805859721

not really a good sample match

the opponent threw imo

[winter gulch]

You can go for it the way you want to, I still don't think Support Roaring Moon is great because your team is so passive rn

[honest burrow]

Is it usable in other teams?

[cursive mason]

I don’t have an issue with breaking swipe moon since I honestly think it’s decent but I think you should drop snarl

You could run DD

Ngl if I’m using snarl moon I’d probably just switch to AV hydra or smthing

[winter gulch]

Where is the protect on the team lol
Protect > Roost on DNite imo (and yes add bulk > speed for sure), Protect/E-Speed on Arcanine, Honestly would go AV Hands here but you could probably go Sitrus Hands + Pinch berry amoonguss?

[winter gulch]

I haven't seen a team more weak to Flutter in my life LOL

[sand echo]

😭😭😭

[winter gulch]

I would test out a rental team with mons you like first, but for the team you provided I would personally remove Ttar, Annihilape, and maybe Kingambit and swap those out, and you need more Protects on your mons
The common Tusk set is Sash
Hydreigon should be Roaring Moon btw (might not work as well without Booster but it should be ok?)

[sand echo]

gotcha alrighty 👍

should i swap ttar for glimmora?

and i’m assuming annihilape for gholdengo/flutter mane

[winter gulch]

I don't think you need a Rock type

[sand echo]

ah alralr

[honest burrow]

Imagine explosion

[honest burrow]

What set and stats would you recommend?

[honest burrow]

I’m open to change it

[honest burrow]

On a tr team?

What about iron head to cover the glaring 4x fairy weakness?

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/d7f83bdf92e09f3d

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost phoenix]

Mostly dont know what the spreads for arcanine and bonnet should be

[honest burrow]

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 140 HP / 156 Atk / 20 Def / 108 SpD / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Iron Head
• Roost
• Throat Chop

Thoughts?

[boreal elk]

https://pokepast.es/f2134425d6f156c7

How this look?

@main plaza

@normal stream

Oh wait

[normal stream]

have u tried clicking validate

[boreal elk]

Yep just realized

Now I feel stupid

[boreal elk]

What’re soon good checks to flutter mane

[normal stream]

arcanine, iron moth, gholdengo, glimmora

[boreal elk]

Thx

[lost phoenix]

Wait glimm is actually ran now?

What does it use

I assume you use it in dozo comps tho

[boreal elk]

https://pokepast.es/8b24688b282a9d02

There we go

[normal stream]

glimm has always been a verh good mon

its just very hsrd to fit properly on teams

i hit top 20 w it early s2

it is very good

[lost phoenix]

Oh thats nice

[cursive mason]

Glimm is usually used as an offensive mon that also happens to have tdebris

[lost phoenix]

I assume you run sash or av

[cursive mason]

I’ve seen specs and AV

[normal stream]

yea poisoning random shit on a qhim is broken turns out

[lost phoenix]

And fire off attacks

[cursive mason]

I think I saw Sash a bit

[normal stream]

sash is good too

[boreal elk]

[normal stream]

ive been mostly running bulky sash and av

specs is a more recent thing

[cursive mason]

Ik that Emilio used specs at Orlando

[normal stream]

ye

[lost phoenix]

That sounds nice

[boreal elk]

https://pokepast.es/763fabf1beae3527fixed it

[lost phoenix]

Ill check out that team later

[cursive mason]

TR teams probably shouldn’t expect TR to be up all the time

[boreal elk]

FUCK

[lost phoenix]

Could yall look at this too in a bit

Pls and ty

[cursive mason]

Yeah emilio used specs Glimm on talon tusk

[boreal elk]

https://pokepast.es/763fabf1beae3527 NOW fixed it

So how’s it look

[lost phoenix]

Standard ass with glimm??

Based

[cursive mason]

Garg seems kinda weird here

Also I honestly have no idea what spreads bonnet and arc run lol

Ik arc is pretty customizable

Bonnet there’s a standard spread I think but idk what it is

[lost phoenix]

I remember there being one bonnet spread everyone runs but couldnt find it

[cursive mason]

Might be on pika

[lost phoenix]

Ill check

[cursive mason]

Careful 252/60/28/0/164/4

Might be this

Adamant 244/36/0/0/0/228

Or this

[lost phoenix]

I just wanted some insurance against ghost types (ttar kinda like ruins hurricane accuracy for jug)

[cursive mason]

Isn’t hurricane still 70% acc in sand

[lost phoenix]

It should drop i dont remember

[cursive mason]

Thought it was only 50 in sun

[lost phoenix]

Ill check

Also ill prolly copy the more bulky one

[cursive mason]

Yeah hurricane only drops acc in sun

[lost phoenix]

Ok do i do ttar then

Or like idk

Av glimm

[cursive mason]

Glimm seems fire here

I would say ttar but stacking dark types is kinda

[lost phoenix]

Yea

I really suck into flutter that way

Ill do av glimmora

Ill live life orb tera ghost shadow ball twice if thats a reasonable enough calc

[cursive mason]

Tbh I have not seen any Tera ghost flutter

Like at all

[lost phoenix]

Really

Okay then i should invest for what

Modest specs??

[cursive mason]

Idk maybe just timid LO

Living moth acid spray into timid LO sball sounds like a nice calc, although that might be too much investment idk

[lost phoenix]

moth runs booster speed right?

[cursive mason]

Yeah

[honest burrow]

So what should the set be?

[lost phoenix]

aight then this should do it
Glimmora @ Assault Vest
Ability: Toxic Debris
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 220 SpA / 100 SpD / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sludge Bomb
• Earth Power
• Energy Ball
• Dazzling Gleam

outspeeds booster speed / +1 speed rmoon when under tailwind and survives the combination of acid spray and life orb shadow ball

[cursive mason]

I think you want power gem tbh

Over gleam

[lost phoenix]

the main thing i wanted gleam for is chomp and rmoon

thats why i wanna outspeed it

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/516de22d85dbf7a6 if i do that it looks like this tho

[cursive mason]

Power gem is really nice vs the flyings that Tusk struggles with tho

[lost phoenix]

thats fair

the arc spread is to ohko max hp 0 def kingambit with cc and if it has defense invest you live one +1 kowtow and espeed next turn

and you also take two shadow balls from booster / sash flutter

[cursive mason]

Oh yeah not sure if clear smog is worth it here on bonnet cuz most dozos are Tera steel

[lost phoenix]

is tera grass not ran anymore?

[cursive mason]

Not really

Steel is good vs bundle

And also obv csmog immunity

[lost phoenix]

then what last protect pollen puff rage powder taunt or crunch

[cursive mason]

Rage powder prob

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/0f76f3089939f42f

Thoughts on the changes?

[bold creek]

tera fire iron hands

Safety goggles removes spore

https://pokepast.es/e858d99461ccc348

Its my lucario team

I thought That lucario could have a niche that it destroys flutter and bundle

and that allows pokemon such as garchomp and ttar to be alot more valuable

One change imma do is probably just add shadow ball instead of extreme speed to smack gholdengo

[deft bough]

https://pokepast.es/8a20bf1110eaab6c want to build this team around a core of ttar and sand rush abuser

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Try validating your team

[deft bough]

oh yeah more than one life orb, whoopsie

[winter gulch]

also that Hydreigon set is.... Amoonguss could probably use a better item since Rocky Helm isn't that great rn
You should also look up the common Lycanroc/Ttar spread, might be interesting

Rock Slide/Endure/Endeavor/Close Combat with Sash

Also besides Amoonguss your team gets destroyed by Rain/Palafin

[deft bough]

yeah thats the problem ive been coming across on the switch ladder

https://pokepast.es/6c6d6cd22dbbc07e

what about something more like this??

rain teams are still an issue

i can't see any easy solution if i wanna commit on sand

[winter gulch]

I think you can keep the Ttar/Lycanroc/Gholdengo/Amoonguss core

and then have the other two help you with that MU, such as Bundle

[deft bough]

final mon?

[winter gulch]

I think you can try Tera Flying Acrobatics Roaring moon + standard Iron Bundle (you might have to go Booster Energy if you go Sash elsewhere)

[deft bough]

https://pokepast.es/6117266d301dab27

[winter gulch]

I think its ok, not sure what Covert Cloak is doing on Bundle (and why Sash isn't on Lycanroc) but you can tweak those things when you test.
you can consider removing TW or Protect in favor of Dragon Dance on your Roaring Moon so you can actually deal damage with it
Also Amoonguss probably prefers an item like Wiki or Sitrus that can help it immediately

[honest burrow]

Hey, idk if you saw this or not but I changed a bit around, is this better? https://pokepast.es/6dd6f49228759346

[winter gulch]

This looks really similar to the team Zelda used at OCIC (and 200VGC in grassroots) which is
Roaring Moon/Amoonguss/Bundle/Mimikyu/Hands/Garganacl

[bold creek]

The bax is just a wallk breaker

Max attack adament can smack anything

I think corviknight is a bit underrated

[cursive mason]

Corv saw a fair amount of usage at ocic I think

Not like a ton but some

[bold creek]

Second place

Its just gud

the typing is gud

[cursive mason]

Well yeah I meant in terms of usage

[bold creek]

Roost

tailwind

[cursive mason]

Corv won a nino tour like a month ago

People have known it’s good

[bold creek]

Ye

I usually watch every like regional

and just everything

[honest burrow]

Yea, but this has farigiraff, not bundle, plus I couldn’t have copied it cuz I don’t look at tournaments

[bold creek]

farigiraff is good without trickroom en mi opiniom

[honest burrow]

Yea, but it’s still good in tr teams yes?

[bold creek]

Yes tru

Anyone know the series 3 format?

[cursive mason]

No, we prob won’t know for at least another week

[north crown]

new to this so i made this https://pokepast.es/7625c4aae35760dc

thoughts?

[sand echo]

https://pokepast.es/9e2c927712ebf7a0

[honest burrow]

So is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[winter gulch]

Good

[honest burrow]

Ty all for the the help, I’ll get to work on building it in game, I did accidentally get rid of my 0 spe iv iron hands tho, got moon through trades, and can probably just breed and hyper train the rest

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/f2865d3104020d77

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zealous gull]

https://pokepast.es/6909ff12c9d766ba

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zealous gull]

thoughts?

[zealous gull]

eruption wipes with sun and tera and lilligant chlorophyll but what about the supporting cast

[winter gulch]

Annihilape, Palafin, and Garchomp have really weird sets that aren't used in VGC at all. Palafin makes no sense on a rain team as you're only limiting its STAB water attacks with sun.

I would probably use team members that can more effectively utilize sun while not losing if you don't use your LilliKoal strat (which also isn't that popular rn)

You could try Pokemon like Roaring Moon or Arcanine which can take good use of the Sun while being decent without sun if you aren't going that route

Amoonguss and Iron Hands are strong too

[agile shell]

https://pokepast.es/97bea5cf8f34b340

More of a fun anti meta team im fucking around with and kinda like how mimikyu w curse, ceruledge and torkoal powering each other up works but wondering if it's best to forget the fluttermane ability to "go fast" with weak armor as an alternative speed control I was trying and commit to flash fire ceruledge and drop flutter for another hard trick room staple? @winter gulch

Not my main team by any stretch I just wanted to try using ceruledge and Mimi together, solar blade does an insane amount of damage

Need to remove speed EVs if going hard trick room seems better

[bold creek]

Lucario smacks bundle and flutter

[manic pond]

I wouldn’t run life orb on ceruledge

I’d run clear amulet

And bulk up

Solar blade is unreliable bc you’re forced to bring torkoal every game

Just give ammongus Sitrus berry

And lowkey I’d give the life orb to mimiyku

And on this flutter mane set

I would run sssh

For more reliable trick room

And once you’re in trick room

You’re more inclined to switch out

Due to you being too fast

So sash would be better

I would run bulk up bitter blade shadow sneak protect tera grass in ceruledge

And run max hp and special defense

And enough evs to one shot max go gholdengo with one bitter blade after a bulk up

[manic pond]

Also

Hard trick room in this format is not that good

So I would add a fast mode

Personally I would get rid of torkoal and add a tailwind mon

Or bundle

For icy wind control

[prime thunder]

https://pokepast.es/8492c99a8453a30d A team i used for a tourney, wondering if It's good or if i should scrap it

PS: I lost the tourney first round because i forgot that i needed adamant to OHKO gholdengho with suckerpunch

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/7db9fb6e8a4a9270

Just wanna get an opinion on roaring moon See if I can change it :/

[honest burrow]

Why are the moves I have good in the matchups they are good in?

[agile shell]

He has no defense

[agile shell]

Tired iof using same copy paste bundle

And life orb actually works great on him with bitter blade torkoal hits adjacent and can power it back up if dropped

Question I really had was who to drop if there's a fast mode that isn't torkoal since I'm using the sun rather actively for solar blade too

Curse mimkyu and clear smog qatakes care of beat up ape and dondozo, but amrorogue could be a hard remove with indeedee playing ghost shield

Ttar is a hard counter to them but I don't see anyone worth dropping for him rn

[agile shell]

The ability and stat spread makes it better otherwise skarm would still be relevant any format it's in

[bold creek]

yea

[violet notch]

hi
https://pokepast.es/81b9afe516ece373

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1807527694-c82w30pm5urjejh5gtnaugtsw6ws35qpw

Im not the greatest battler and idk if the replay helps with anything but im adding it anyways

[violet notch]

another replay with the sets slightly changed

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1807588419

[hidden path]

theres no need to post replays btw

team seems alright imo

not an expert

[hidden path]

why trick room on scream tail

why scream tail at all?

you have a team of fast mons theres no need for trick room

[violet notch]

to reverse the enemies if it goes up instead of running taunt on someone

[hidden path]

calm mind also isnt a great option

[violet notch]

psyshock?

[hidden path]

taunt is still better imo

instead of calm mind opt for a coverage move

like maybe mystical fire

[violet notch]

okay

[hidden path]

i run energy ball

very hyper offensive

and a great counnter for gargs

which do come around a lot at 1100-1250

annd rain teams

so its a good move as well

[winter gulch]

Calm Mind definitely should not be the move

[hidden path]

yea

https://pokepast.es/40df6df7cb76b6e8 also how's this?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

I would run Mystical Fire or the other fairy move

[hidden path]

im around 1300 on the ladded

ladder*

[winter gulch]

Ngl these sets (both of the last two RMTs) are beyond me

[hidden path]

w e l p

[winter gulch]

I'll try to do a quick fix before I go to sleep

[hidden path]

k

vivillon is pretty good ngl

[violet notch]

damn my team building is that bad

😭

[winter gulch]

https://pokepast.es/523d71c7a0121628

On second thought I changed less than I thought, tbh I wouldn't use Scream Tail

[hidden path]

uhh double LO

[winter gulch]

Bruh

I meant Sash on Flutter

12:30am brain is fun

[hidden path]

fr

[violet notch]

i need a third fairy type though thats my issue

its alr ill figure something out

thank you for revising it

[hidden path]

why 3 fairies?

[violet notch]

im gonna be the fairy gym leader for an upcoming event for a discord server im in

[hidden path]

ahh

nice

[violet notch]

yeah im looking forward to it

but i cant build w three fairies for the life of me

[winter gulch]

Really glad you tested this, although I really don't know what to say lol

[hidden path]

imma go ahead ant suggest you a better fairy

[winter gulch]

Just really feels like you slapped a bunch of mons together

[hidden path]

huh

[hidden path]

iron valiant

scream tail is the worst paradox

or av azu

heck even tinkaton is better

[winter gulch]

I would look into Mimikyu

[hidden path]

W

[winter gulch]

Uhh I think Sylveon or Mimikyu is something you can look into

Throat Spray Sylveon or Lorb Mimikyu seem solid

[hidden path]

love mimikyu?

ohh LO

nvm

[violet notch]

thanks guys

really appreciate it

[hidden path]

np ig

i didnt really do much lel

[violet notch]

i wont come back with it until i feel like it actually works

[hidden path]

it should imo

swords dance mimikyu with shadow sneak, play rough and shadow claw is the best set

[winter gulch]

I would go with Curse/Play Rough/Shadow Sneak/Shadow Claw

[hidden path]

curse is also good

a better salt cure

or worse

depends

[winter gulch]

Kinda need a Dozo matchup, especially if you roll a Water opponent

x9v have you tried studying up on the meta?

Like looking at some usage stats, maybe a couple videos on why certain Pokemon are good

[hidden path]

nah not really dont have the time for that

ill be willing to replace coviknight

[pure crystal]

https://pokepast.es/94b175207bd7d83e @winter gulch @valid mesa @main plaza @normal stream

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cursive mason]

Team seems kinda weak to bundle, I’d recommend Tera steel on dozo and eq over order up

Not sure about the Glimm set, Tera bug seems a bit iffy

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/36f03280dbaa251f

Team I build is fairly solid However any improvenets that can be made?

I have only Lost once to a lucky freeze dry crit in high ladder

[dark tundra]

https://pokepast.es/84485e643c9a037a I feel like I lose to some matchups too much and idk if I'm just bad or the team because I always lose to wide guard. I also need answers for anti-trick room teams

[agile shell]

My ceruledge team is burned to ground it was fun but relies too much on torkoal, bring on Groudon and it'll work lol

I'm now onto fun with glimmora, talonflame, dnite and trying to use Vaporeon as a dozo nuke

[bold creek]

well the problem is you cant add taunt

@dark tundra Potentially swap indeedee armourage for hatterine and flutter for taunt and in sun and trickroom plus 134 SpA

[manic pond]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

any advice?

@winter gulch

[forest quest]

Rate my team yall

[sand echo]

bruh copy and paste the link

[forest quest]

https://pokepast.es/a4fbbe0ae72e8baa

[sand echo]

nice

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/501a181f4bd5d6d2

i posted the wrong link before

someone please

[heady kiln]

you're tera fire acro?

[manic pond]

Helps against will o wisp

My only will I wisp switch in is amoongus

So

[bold creek]

bored

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/fdde2ee5ef16d34d how is this team? I wanted to get back into vgc so i decided to use ape maus with amoongus support speaking of which allow me to fic amoongus because it needs spore

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/79b658dfcf19d615 there ya go

And hydreigon neeeds focus energy

[bold creek]

Anyone wanna hop on call and build a team together?

We can screenshare one team and then run some battles and stuff

[manic pond]

Im down if you still are

[manic pond]

bruh

[sand minnow]

@valid mesa may I recieve some help?

[bold creek]

@ur mother

[manic pond]

Hold up

Gimme 10

[manic pond]

Bruh what

I can’t speak

[fresh flume]

https://pokepast.es/de88a72ced7bf6ad

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fresh flume]

What does everyone think? I am kinda struggling with the Evs

I switched indeedees set to psychic follow me helping hand and trick room

[manic pond]

I would switch the iron hands set

Fake out has negative synergy with indeedee armouroug

Bc priority is blocked by psychic terrain

I would run detect instead

With a shuca berry

Bc you have three ground weaknesses

And tera fire

To counteract will onwisp

I would run light screen reflect on indeedee

Usually you don’t have enough time to

I would run trick room

Follow me

Helping hand

And dazzling gleam

Psychic seed is good

Bundle set is fine

So is arcanine

I would add more attack investment to arcanine

To one shot gholdengo

And charcoal isn’t the best pick

Bc most of the time you want to click expanding force

I would personally run a life orb

And I would 100% replace sylveon with hatterene

Sitrus berry

Specs

Or sash

Depending on your ev spread and what you want it to do on the team

@fresh flume

[sand minnow]

i really

want to make lucario work this series but im not sure how

[cyan juniper]

I really want to make lucario work too. I tried taking ispiration from dragonite and tried normal tera extreme speed

it was okay

https://pokepast.es/b9c44ac09eb1de0d

What should I add to this?

[winter gulch]

I think if you want to go for a supportive/DD Roaring Moon, you want to run more defensive EVs to help you set up and stick around longer.
I think the team wants some more immediate offensive pressure to help capitalize on your team's supportive options, maybe something like Flutter Mane would be solid. Gholdengo is also a decent option

I would also remove Close Combat from Ceruledge (add Protect), add Leaf Storm or Clear Smog on Amoonguss in place of Protect (helps your Dozo MU a bit)

[cyan juniper]

I was thinking of adding flutter mane just to have a special attacker. Should I add both do you think?

Or maybe arcanine for damage reduction?

Also if this wasn't on ladder I would probably run life orb flash fire ceruledge so it would be more consistent and easier to position in an open team format

[winter gulch]

I think Tauros kinda accomplishes that role with Intimidate, + you don't want to stack too many Ground weaknesses since you currently don't have any resists

[cyan juniper]

I forgot he had intimidate lol

I think I'll add iron bundle and flutter mane and test it like that for a few games

[shut copper]

Can someone check this team out?https://pokepast.es/950a4bccc91cddda
I Think after a few games i might need bulker options on some of my mons and the main thing i prefer not changed is the komala's inclusion

[winter gulch]

Honestly speaking here, I would have to have to go to incredible lengths to fix this team; it would literally be a different team, even if I kept Komala is still there. I would consider checking out some sample teams, getting a better idea on how to make teams that work together, and then trying to get Komala to work

[shut copper]

alright im pretty new to gen 9 vgc cause i played the hell out of gen 8 vgc

and i got pretty excited when i saw komala in gen 9

are you able to point me in the right direction on how the meta is rn

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/fdde2ee5ef16d34d how is this team?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

Komola is alf in trickroom Idk

[shut copper]

Idk I think Komala is at a weird speed tier and needs a lot of help with that, but it does do pretty nice damage with Stab body slam without tera normal

Like Komala has decent attack and some health and that’s really it

[bold creek]

lol

A lot of potential pokemom just have no bulk

[sand minnow]

Yeah but....why Komala over anything else

[spiral shale]

yeah

[fresh flume]

Ok thanks

[spiral shale]

you have super strong attackers in the format and you choose komala

[fresh flume]

Recommended hat set I normally don’t run hat so I’m not sure what to go with

[manic pond]

Komala is doodoo

[fresh flume]

Id say dazzling psychic trick room and mystic fire or protect with wise glasses or Zitrus berry

[manic pond]

Wdym you don’t “gay” tf is that

😭

[fresh flume]

What the heck, I think autocorrect is screwing with me

[manic pond]

I would have dazzling green psychic

And then based on what you want batterie to do

I would think about the other two moves

[fresh flume]

Batterie?

[manic pond]

I would go dazzling green psychic trick room protect

Max hp max special attack

[fresh flume]

Yeah that makes sense

[manic pond]

Modest nature

[fresh flume]

I was considering Av dazzling psychic shadow and mystic fire

Cuz I do have a trick room option but not so sure

[manic pond]

I need to see this things stats to see if AV is worth it

[fresh flume]

I think your set is smarter

[manic pond]

But I think you need trick room and protect

[fresh flume]

Yeah me too I’ll need to calc

[fresh flume]

Yeah I like the trickroom protect dazzling and psychic set

[manic pond]

Have you fixed the team?

Show me what you got so far

[fresh flume]

https://pokepast.es/7a8a3aa67d0368e1

I want to drop specs

For either wise glasses, sitrus, or Lum

https://pokepast.es/d7c4835f4ec8d706

[manic pond]

Maybe just give a life orb

And give armourouge something else

[fresh flume]

I changed the speed Ivs of hat to 0 btw

[manic pond]

That’s what you need to do

To our speed amoongus under trick room

[fresh flume]

Yep

[manic pond]

Also go tera fairy

On indeedee

[fresh flume]

Makes sense as I am running dazzle

[manic pond]

Either give batterie a Sitrus berry or give it the life orb and give wrmourouge something else

OH

Give hatterene life orb

And armourouge covert cloak

To get around snarl

[fresh flume]

And hat terra? I like grass

[manic pond]

Just fairy

Grass makes no sense

[fresh flume]

Alr that makes sense

[manic pond]

Since you can’t get spores

*spored

[fresh flume]

You right

[fresh flume]

Ok

[manic pond]

Just fairy for stronger dazzling greens

[fresh flume]

That does fit

I kinda feel weak to ground

Nevermind none of the Tera options except hands are so we good

I’ll send the updated paste

https://pokepast.es/243c82e69a533198

Thanks for the help

[manic pond]

Yeah that looks better

[fresh flume]

Can we do a test match?

Open team sheets of course?

actually nevermind

Thanks tho

It helped

[bold creek]

ur mother have u done some tests runs on the team

[proud forum]

So do I just paste a team in here if I want someone to rate it? Just that easy?

[manic pond]

Nah

[manic pond]

Mhm

[proud forum]

Sweet

https://pokepast.es/dc5b74c8f78c0ec2

[manic pond]

Kilowattrel ain’t it brody

[proud forum]

Because other Tailwind setters bring more value?

[manic pond]

Yes

Also what do you even have tailwind for?

All your moms are slow

Like way too slow to even take advantage of it

Personally my favorite kingambit set is

Assault vest

Assurance sucker punch iron head tera blast

Idk what your idea behind the team is

A lot of the moms just seem out of place on that composition

[proud forum]

There's not really a cohesive idea, mostly just trying to answer what could be brought

More pivot than anything else

Also, isn't Tailwind just good for speed control in general?

[manic pond]

You need to have an idea before building a team

[manic pond]

Not if your Pokémon are too slow where the point where they still don’t out speed shut under tailwind

[bold creek]

alls

[proud forum]

So full disclosure (in case it wasn't obvious) is that I'm quite new to comp and team-building in general. I've been trying to research what I can, so I built a team that was mostly just solid Pokemon that could answer other popular mons in the format. Seeing as that doesn't appear to be the play, from what you see what could I save from this team to try and refine an idea there?

[manic pond]

Icy wind bundle and assurance kingambit is strong

Look into that idea

You can idea arcanine amoongus to that

And have a tailwind mon and a fast mom

*man

*mon

Something like roaring moon and fluttermane

[proud forum]

How fast is fast?

[sand minnow]

Man are any of the ones who help with team building on rn?

[fresh flume]

Hey what do you think of swapping anrcanine with fire Tauros https://pokepast.es/243c82e69a533198

[wide nacelle]

What do you want the fire intimidater to do

If you want damage than pick tauros

[heady kiln]

why do you have cloak with indeedee

[wide nacelle]

If you want support pick arcanine

[wide nacelle]

Cloak is on armarouge

[heady kiln]

yeah but it's a hatt indeedee armor team

[wide nacelle]

Yea

[heady kiln]

I'd expect a resist berry or an offensive item to be more useful

[wide nacelle]

Maybe put that on hatterene instead

[fresh flume]

Intimidate as well as hopefully pressure gholdengo

[fresh flume]

Get around snarl etc.

[wide nacelle]

Both tauros and arcanine can do that

[fresh flume]

Armourogue as no really reason to run resist

[wide nacelle]

But do you want damage or support

[fresh flume]

That’s why k want to consider raging bulls vs screens while arcanine has got snarl

[wide nacelle]

And arcanine has helping hand

And bulldoze

[fresh flume]

I’m not sure which has more value to me

[wide nacelle]

Raging bull is a good move

[fresh flume]

Bulldoze not to important to me since I am trick room anyway

[wide nacelle]

But helping hand can be helpful for some if not most teams

[fresh flume]

Yeah I am trying to decide between taking out screens or dampening special attackers

Both OHKO gholdengo, at least the standard set

But bulls OHKO is a damage roll unless I run something like orb or charcoal or something like that

Should I keep arcanine or should I run the Taurus

[wide nacelle]

Both Pokémon can straight ohko gholdengo

But yea taking out screen is very good as well

I do see your point of view

[fresh flume]

I ran a calc my boy Taurus at level 5 is 97-105 % to gholdengo so it is a roll, but it’s item would prolly either be safety goggles to stop moongus or it’d be charcoal, expert belt, or even shell bell. Tera grass or water, would be the Option for tauros

Maybe?

Tauros-Paldea-Blaze @ Charcoal
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 10 Spe

• Raging Bull
• Close Combat
• Protect
• Will-O-Wisp

It does OHKOs gholdengo and does also hit screens

Tanky enough to eat a make it rain, but I haven’t calced vs flutter mane yet

Moonblast does OHKO but, raging bull also kills mane

And hopefully we would be in trick room so

Idk

[fresh flume]

So which one do I do

[wide nacelle]

Let me do some math

[fresh flume]

I did some calcs, prolly running charcoal and I just Tera grass vs amoongus

[wide nacelle]

Ok so I was wrong

[fresh flume]

That does enough to OHKO gholdengo but only with the charcoal

[wide nacelle]

If the gholdengo has 252 in Hp and defense both are a 2 hit ko

[fresh flume]

Yeah

[wide nacelle]

Arcanine and tauros can only ohko if gholdengo has do bulk EVs

[fresh flume]

But no one really runs 252 hp gholdengo

[wide nacelle]

And that’s not including weather or tera or items

Some do

[fresh flume]

I ran it vs the standard set

[fresh flume]

True

[wide nacelle]

To make gholdengo last as long as possible

In vgc you need to prepare for everything and can’t say “oh I’ll just not face anyone who invests into bulk with gholdengo”

[fresh flume]

I mean yeah

But I’m pretty sure neither of them ohko

[wide nacelle]

Yea after the math they can’t ohko unless gholdengo has no bulk investment

Wait

[fresh flume]

Yeah I’m total I’m pretty sure arcanine does deal more damage tho

[wide nacelle]

252+ Atk Charcoal Tauros-Paldea-Fire Raging Bull vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Gholdengo: 326-386 (86.2 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Tauros-Paldea-Fire Raging Bull vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Gholdengo: 354-421 (93.6 - 111.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[manic pond]

For snarl spam

[fresh flume]

Alright, but I would say that orb is still taken

[manic pond]

Armourage got enough damage output it doesn’t really need an item to boost it more

It’s helpful but the life orb is more valuable on hatterene

[wide nacelle]

@fresh flume 252+ Atk Charcoal Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Gholdengo: 438-516 (115.8 - 136.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[manic pond]

Imo

[fresh flume]

What about no item canine

[wide nacelle]

252+ Atk Charcoal Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 342-404 (90.4 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

[manic pond]

252 adamant should usually be a knock out no matter the ev spread on gholdengo