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[hidden path]

aight so grimmsnarl is for setting up screens, lowering others sp.atk with spirit break, and switching into something else with parting shot, garganacl is to help out in late game, with setting up salt cure, and protects against things like dazzling gleam and make it rain cuz of wode guard. Hydreigon is to just sweep tbh. Arcanine is to set up intimidate and control things like meowscarada, amoonguss, brute bonnet etc, while also tanking a decent amount of hits with assault vest, and snarl to lower sp. atk again. Volcarona is mostly a set up sweeper, and gastrodon is to mostly stall out teams with recover while lowering their accuracy with muddy water, i used it paired with garg and it did decently well, with their tank, it really helped late game

my figers hurt from typing this ^

bro i cant eve type anymore

’eve’

yeah

teams mid

switching gastrodon

[sand minnow]

I have 0 idea of wether this team will be good or not https://pokepast.es/693f375ede2192ae

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

@winter gulch if your there may I acquire your assistance

[tired oxide]

https://pokepast.es/e1a00f04d6de4e4b

@winter gulch

i feel pretty confident in this team however i am unsure about the choice of items

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pure bison]

https://pokepast.es/c56322fef2284d30 First time I've gotten into competitive pokemon, going to start with this team for series 2 doubles, not fully confident in the team synergy.

[plucky hinge]

https://pokepast.es/6bf9df2d280ec11e . Team has been working actually. Its a bit weird but gallade is not bad

[winter gulch]

Looks ok, you want a stronger Dragon STAB move on Haxorus, Oranguru seems very slapped on there, Arcanine probably does better with AV and Snarl > Psychic Fangs, and Rotom wants Volt Switch

Kilowattrel wants Protect > Endeavor, Krookodile wants Lorb probably since Lefties is really mid on non-stall Pokemon in VGC

[tired oxide]

He's there for instruct and telepathy

[winter gulch]

yes but it doesn't synergize with your team at all

well actually that's false

but it doesn't really fit in with your team design tbh

I would personally run a Follow Me Pokemon or another speed control to help you maintain your Hyper Offensive core

[winter gulch]

There is zero reason to use Indeedee-M in this format since Indeedee-F's movepool is so much better and does everything Indeedee-M does but better
That Garganacl set ones Protect > Bulldoze, Weak Armor is such a bad set on Armarouge, Flash Fire pls
Azu and Gastrodon look fine but they are a bit anti-synergy and don't cover each others' grass weakness. Hydreigon looks ok, but you have nothing to support it and help it get Focus Energy up

[winter gulch]

I can kinda see where you're going, but there are just a lot of things that can be improved. I would recommend using a rental team first to help you understand what makes a team good! + it'll help you learn doubles a bit quicker since you don't need o worry about using a bad team when you're practicing

[winter gulch]

Team looks fine but you have a ton of ground weaknesses that you just can't check. Maybe use a couple tera types to help you out? Also your team seems a bit weak to Rain since Amoonguss is your only resist

[tired oxide]

Okie bet bet

[plucky hinge]

Maybe a tera flying Gallade? Yeah im not sure how to counter rain. Havent went against them

[winter gulch]

Tera Grass could be some thing to consider

[sand minnow]

I wonder how well dondozo + amoongus would go

Wait nvm dozo + giri forces a 1 on 2

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/b2f25225f0be3ce3 thinking about running grimmsnarl over maus to help against dragons because i dont know if azumarill is enough

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

Replaced azu with sylveon

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/8b414d251f0e09ce @cursive mason

[cursive mason]

Why seed sower on Arboliva here? Feel like harvest would provide more value esp with torkoal

[lost phoenix]

Its to mitigate the eq weakness of kingambit and torkoal

So they take less from stuff like chomp and can get passive recovery

[cursive mason]

I’m assuming sylveon can handle the mausape mu here but it does look a little sketchy

[cursive mason]

Oh yeah forgot it did that lol

[lost phoenix]

So i can just freely run tera fire on tork to win against chomp

Since i can also pollen puff the tork

[cursive mason]

Ok makes sense

[lost phoenix]

Yea its mostly a just outplay route

Anything else?

[cursive mason]

Can’t see any glaring flaws, although I might’ve missed something

Usually the way I build my teams is I throw 6 mons together and play a ton of games so I’m not really the greatest at this kind of thing

[lost phoenix]

Moment

Ill just put this in vgc cord then

[winter gulch]

yeah teambuilding is a really long process for me, takes a while and I almost never get the team I want first try

I just slap 6 mons together, then start fixing/replacing them to fit the team better until its finally the way I want it

[agile shell]

Kinda interested in Lucario as a random ass tech considering how wild his movepool is, even wider than ttar this gen

Would need a good partner to friend guard or follow me tho

Poor defenses

[sand minnow]

Evee

Eveon*

@winter gulch
https://pokepast.es/024ff48df671df88

I never got thoughts on this team, im thinking about using grimmsnarl over Maushold and replacing meowscarada to avoid the triple dark problem.

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hearty depot]

How would I go about building a team with palafin and Garchomp? Worried that palafin needs pelipper to be viable and garchomp is outclassed by roaring moon

[sand minnow]

In vgc? I never see roaring moon

[winter gulch]

don't say stuff that doesn't make any sense lol

Roaring Moon is quite popular in VGC

[sand minnow]

I...wasnt saying it was better or worse i was just asking because i never saw the mon....not sure what i did wrong here.

Oh wait nvm

I wasnt playing series 2

Because i didnt know it already started

My bad

[hearty depot]

No you’re right, it doesnt start until February

I already have a series one team that’s not the issue

[winter gulch]

Dozo wants Protect > Rock Slide, Wave Crash > Liquidation
Tatsugiri wants Scarf > Specs, replace Tera Blast with Hydro Pump and replace Surf with Muddy Water
Your Maushold set wants Bulk since you aren't running the offesnvei variant, EVs could be improved. I generally don't like this Maushold set very much but it kinda works? so I won't comment on that
Your team has literally no Fairy resist so I would recommend adding Arcanine over Maushold
Sylveon wants Protect/Hyper Voice/Substitute OR Calm Mind/Quick Attack/Tera Blast
Dozo wants a defensive Tera like Grass or Flying, Tatsu wants Tera water, Sylveon wants Tera Fire.

[sand minnow]

Might i ask why tera fire over tera ground? Tera fire because of tera blast?

[winter gulch]

It gives you a Steel Resistance

which is very common in Gholdengo

Fire Type is also a strong coverage type for Fairy Pokemon, lets you hit steels and more

[sand minnow]

Doesnt ground give both a steel and poison resist or does ground not resist steel and im just remmebering things wrong?

[winter gulch]

gives you a poison resist but that's not too relevant, and no steel resist

[sand minnow]

Ah i see

How is this https://pokepast.es/75e9008eac31fc81 there fixed

[plucky hinge]

Ok thanks. Any mons to change? I like the gallade, gholdengo, chomp and mukrow squad.

[halcyon gale]

https://pokepast.es/c1d44b05d9135797

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[halcyon gale]

tusk evs live 2 hands ccs and takes a flutter moonblast

[winter gulch]

is this the sunflora?

[normal stream]

whys tusk ev'd to live something that

[halcyon gale]

it is yea

[normal stream]

should die 1 turn after tusk is on field

[halcyon gale]

i needed a mon that could actually kill torkoal

[normal stream]

and you didnt ev it for torkoal..?

[halcyon gale]

it 2hkoes tork

w 100 attack eq

[winter gulch]

yes but it underspeeds in TR

[normal stream]

tusk 2hkoing torkoal

[halcyon gale]

ig yeah but i couldnt think of a better last

that could threaten it

and fit

[normal stream]

youre running so mcuh attack u might as well go adamant

i dont get the logic

behind

the tusk spread

[halcyon gale]

i mean

ill drop the speed into attack

ig

Great Tusk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 208 Atk / 204 Def / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Endeavor
• Close Combat
• Earthquake
• Ice Spinner

[normal stream]

you know how natures work right

[halcyon gale]

yea

[normal stream]

whyre u dropping the speed now

wait why was it jolly anyway

[halcyon gale]

placeholder since i couldnt find a mon to creep

with the leftover evs

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uncut harness]

I must know if this team is good Ik it has its weaknesses but what can I do to make it better

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/51f02341cf3e79bd

[worldly bane]

https://pokepast.es/1bd2710ba810da81

A gimmick team I know but I need more Pokémon in it and I’m not removing toadscruel slaking or grafaiai

Tera dark for prankster taunt btw

[tired oxide]

@winter gulch https://pokepast.es/0c5571b4910ee0fb

another team i think works well, i have been trying to watch more videos on team building and looking at more resources to see who are threats in the meta game

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hearty depot]

My opinion doesn’t mean much tbh but I feel like I would struggle against dozo with this team, maybe you have a strat I’m not seeing

[tired oxide]

its funny bc i finally switched klefki with Murkrow haze so i think that would add pressure

[spiral shale]

you have crit hydrei

but definitely go murkrow

[spring brook]

doodle fails against proto/quark + a bunch of other habilities, so its just too risky now

Doodle will fail if either the target, the user, or the user's ally have any of the following Abilities: As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Power Construct, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, or Zen Mode.

[worldly bane]

Are paradox Pokémon in vgc?

[spring brook]

Soon they will be

Feb i think

[worldly bane]

:oo

That was the exact reason why I chose vgc 😭

[spring brook]

Its just sad

You cant even use it if your ALLY has proto/quark

[worldly bane]

Skill swap 😭

Is that what I need now

With maushold follow me and rage powder to deal with

I’m blaming power creep and going back to shiny hunting man

[worldly bane]

Just bought 14 calcium and it didn’t appear in my inventory

Going back to Pokémon showdown now

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grave swift]

https://pokepast.es/1a1f5403121ae7f0 VGC sand team

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/a97c257204b3e960 VGC series 2 team, Skeledirge has been working really well with the yawn set. Havent faced any dozo teams yet but feel like it might be a problem. not sure how well bundle will deal with it

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quasi delta]

Trying this team out. Who do you put out first?

[grave swift]

usually tyranitar and gholdengo, it works out

[fleet axle]

https://pokepast.es/4f7c741538e116c9

silly gimmick team

its just stat buffs galore

[plucky hinge]

https://pokepast.es/a437ec7d99a2ea72 its a gallade vgc team. Not sure if i should keep or replace arcanine/amoon

[winter gulch]

working on them rn

[winter gulch]

Looks decent, you have a big Ground weakness that isn't covered but once you add in your Tera types it should be a bit better. Also you're quite weak to Water/Rain, I woudl suggest swapping Aniihilape out for something that can help you deal with those types a bit more (Tauros Water might help)

[grave swift]

alright thank you for the advice

[winter gulch]

Looks fine as well, I'm quite curiousa s to what Iron Bundle is EV'd for as it usually isn't living much. I would probably just go with Timid Booster Energy. Also Talon might feel a bit passive (especially since you have Bundle for Speed Control)
Skeledirge without Slack Off seems pretty bad imo, and as you said, the Dondozo matchup isn't great, I would recommend swapping Talonflame for it and just make your Bundle speedier for speed control (just my idea)

[winter gulch]

oh word, there is a lot going on here and not enough to support what's happening. For Coal, you generally want an Aqua Jet to proc it + you should go with a special set. that Volc, Indeedee, and Raichu set doesn't make sense at all, and I personally wouldn't recommend Vrevaroom in this format. Also your team gets destroyed by Haze stuffs and Dondozo
(Just check out a rental team or if you really want to try out this gimmick, actually test it out and optimize it on ladder before you get us to rate it)

[winter gulch]

Seems decent, I like the six you have, its well balanced. I would recommend adding more Protect on your team, I would personally go Nasty Plot and Protect > Dazzling Gleam and Thunderbolt. I would also remove Night Slash for Protect on Gallade. Tera Normal on Arcanine. besides, that, looks like a solid team!

[sand minnow]

I had bundle ev'd so it had just 1 more speed than SpA so its quark drive went for speed still. i feel really reliant on talonflame for tailwind rather than speed control through bundle cause you dont always bring both. Not sure how i would fit slack off into the skeledirge set though. its been functioning pretty well without it. especially with 2 earthquake users on my team it feels mandatory

[calm fulcrum]

this is my first time trying vgc https://pokepast.es/c47a786fc624ec8f

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm fulcrum]

in gen 9 of course

[fossil jolt]

https://pokepast.es/53ae9c4989353c86
while this team works well now I bet it won't for long so is there a way to improve this team

[winter gulch]

Personally I'm really confused as to why Ttar and Abomasnow are there

your other Pokemon don't take advantage of the weather (and in the case of sand, chips your team by 6% every turn)

[fossil jolt]

then who should replace them?

[golden patrol]

https://pokepast.es/179ad4042376bb5b
Hey all! I like shocks and tried to update my older team for that - I know it’s not the best composition but lmk what you think! I’d be ok to swap one/two mons max depending on what you suggest: I’m very picky about mons

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[halcyon gale]

this looks fine, rlly weak to sun and flutter tho

also shocks has protect and specs

shocks isnt really too great for tr imo

[plucky hinge]

Alr thanks

[fleet moss]

Would greatly appreciate feedback, thanks!
https://pokepast.es/e1c49db8b848befc

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost scroll]

Hey guys, this is what I'm currently running atm VGC Doubles:
https://pokepast.es/33f33153cd173309
I saw the team on a tournament a while ago, and I feel very very comfortable playing it (I know many of you dont like Palafin, but at the moment I can't avoid feeling most comfortable playing around it)

What do you guys think?

[agile shell]

Ttar is gonna rise again in series 2

Counters so many popular things running around

[fleet moss]

like what

[agile shell]

S2

Not 1

[fleet moss]

Yeah I understood that statement

my question is

what does it counter @agile shell

[agile shell]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/63cf4004f61c172bc03201f0/standings

Just won a tournament and deagle went over each matchup in this vid

https://youtu.be/s5lB29pjGdU

Using him as a special wall/big boi attacker

[fleet moss]

Okay, I can't watch an hour long video, can't you just name a few popular Pokémon it counters?

[agile shell]

Low kick hits hard as hell vs the large amount of fighting weak pokes, it can wall anything flutter mane throws with av and sand boost easily, change weather to shut rain and torkoal down, intimidators are all commonly rock weak, completely shuts down armarogue since he's immune to expanding force and resists fire heavily

Terra psychic to surprise and pick up terra last chunks off iron hands and terra poison gargancl if he tries to terra first

If beside maushold friend guard makes him even more ridiculously bulky

[plucky cairn]

https://pokepast.es/4e85baf14f2b7ee1 Tried utilizing Trick room as Good as possible and bring hydreigon and meow for out of Trick room

[halcyon gale]

https://pokepast.es/ebece21dfd0fa816

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile shell]

Started testing indeedee with ttar as a lead against certain matchups and they actually kick ass

Just slaughtered a flutter/bundle lead

The special defense on those two wall everything

[fleet axle]

https://pokepast.es/fd33879e4b44074f made a few improvements

[fleet moss]

I think the flutter Bundle lead is ass but that is just because my team deals with that lead easily

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/ec85c9d767d4a55b

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile shell]

It is ass lol but most ppl copy and paste rental teams and shit so I expect to see it alot, sandy shocks grass terra fucks up a lot of the meta quietly also, hope it stays an underused pick bc I've taken out countless iron hands and gastrodon ohko so far

[fleet moss]

Yeah, they are both special which means that a light screen can make them do no damage

and the lead struggles against steel

[agile shell]

Or any bulky physical attacker tbh

Even ttar can eat a bundle stab freeze dry like a tickle even tho it's super effective

Feint on maushold underrated too

Picking guys off behind protect

Everyone expects pop bomb and it gives more opportunities for a free switch while maus chips thru protect

[fleet moss]

I use a Kingambit

[fleet moss]

I assume you mean hydro pump

[agile shell]

Either or

[fleet moss]

Maushold feels awful to use

I miss after 3 population bombs

But that is just my awful luck

(Yes I use Lens)

[agile shell]

I get hitnby them all the time but don't even run it lol

Pure support set

[fleet moss]

So its king rock

Oh

What does Pure support use?

I've seen some players using friend guard and using super effective moves to trigger stuff like weakness policy or Rage Fist

but friend guard is the ability

[agile shell]

Follow me helping hand taunt feint

With friend guard

[fleet moss]

Ah okay

[agile shell]

Most ppl expect pop bomb and protect so basically gives a free turn

[fleet moss]

Tidy Up could be useful

[agile shell]

But helping hand moonblasts are ridiculous

[fleet moss]

Idr if it removes screens

[agile shell]

In singles maybe

Think it's just subs and hazards

[fleet moss]

Also is there a reason to Dondozo being more used?

[agile shell]

AV ttar with friend guard and sand up is bulkasaraus

[fleet moss]

I've seen Dondozo modes a lot more

[agile shell]

Idk I've always smoked him

Only time I lost was not knowing tatsugiri had insane spA

[fleet moss]

I just to easily deal with it using Kilowattrel but I stopped using my birds

[agile shell]

Left him alone thinking he was weak POS

I enjoy dozo bc it gives me time to set up in a 2v1

[fleet moss]

well Amoonguss can handle it pretty well

I don't really have a set-up sweeper

[agile shell]

Lately been using terra grass sandy shocks on dozo and gastrodon

Bro this fucking terra raid is so annoying sometimes

7 straight misses bc of evasion and ten mins down drain

Just doing it for carbos to use for tomorrow ev training

Does anyone else feel like roaring moon is a little overrated🤔

[fleet moss]

A little bit?

[fleet moss]

do you have a controller with a turbo button

[agile shell]

No

[fleet moss]

Okay

[agile shell]

I still like mence's utility better

[agile shell]

Tournament farming?

[fleet moss]

yeah

[fleet moss]

I don't like Mence, it feels too weak rn

[agile shell]

How much you get a day at work

Haven't used in series 2 ladder but series one he was great tbh

[fleet moss]

I think its a few millions

I also don't like Roaring Moon

Makes me too vulnerable to fighting

[agile shell]

Yea same

And low kick highly underrated

[fleet moss]

There is that singles set that is fun

[agile shell]

Hits almost as hard as close combat most times

Heavier targets just as hard

With no defense drop

[fleet moss]

Dragon Dance Booster Energy Acrobatics

[agile shell]

Breaking swipe and acro is his only sets I see

Fuck this raid

Tried 3x this morning missed 15 stored powers and got crit'd 6x

Fun and engaging

[fleet moss]

What raid has evasion?

[agile shell]

Greninja spams double team

I have wide lens on too

Feels good wasting the 30 min I have before for and getting absolutely nothing for itn

Not even a cent

[agile shell]

Which turbo controller

I see the official one and an unofficial wired

[fleet moss]

Hori Split Pad Pro

[agile shell]

Wired one works better so batteries dont die I presume

Wireless Switch Controller for Nintendo Switch/Lite/OLED Controller, Switch Controller with a Mouse Touch Feeling on Back Buttons, Extra Switch Pro Controller with Wake-up,Programmable, Turbo Function https://a.co/d/9mFQEXy

This one looks nicer but idk how they charge on switch

[fleet moss]

I prefer using hori

they are licensed

[fleet moss]

Oh it hasn't ended yet?

[agile shell]

I'm offline

[fleet moss]

Ah

[agile shell]

Stay offline and date skip to farm but money glitch is prob better tbh

Can do afk and buy whatvr you want vs ninja only giving carbos

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/68992ab97b1f015d

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

gimmick-y team

but has worked well so far

[indigo creek]

there's no point running safety goggles on scovillain since it's a grass type and you're already immune to powder moves

[hidden path]

oh crap yeah

[indigo creek]

you also have tera grass on it so you never lose the grass typing

[hidden path]

currently losing to a perish song team

[indigo creek]

also at first glance you have 3 set up pokemon so a redirector or sleep (or both, with amoonguss) might help them set up more safely

[hidden path]

yeah

[winter gulch]

I will get to these 20 pastes in a bit

I just finished exams today

[indigo creek]

https://pokepast.es/c87b6124e7e8d672 any suggestions for this team?

[pulsar jewel]

https://pokepast.es/0df54d205314cae2 first build of the season, good or bad?

[storm silo]

I call this team "frost fire" due to frostlass and fire tauros being the main leads https://pokepast.es/46fe07c618f6bc18

And here's my most recent game with the team https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1788044795

[halcyon gale]

this team kinda loses to a bunch of stuff

froslass is bad

[dense wing]

what counts as an incomplete team

is it missing members or just sets?

[storm silo]

It's just missing numbers for some reason

[storm silo]

It outspeeds a lot and pairs well with fire tauros with the two of them combined having para and burn and covering some of each others weaknesses it's decent

[dense wing]

how could i make this team better for series 2 https://pokepast.es/574f5b62378945ae

[covert hill]

Hi everyone

What do you think of my team

https://pokepast.es/dde45328a9befe94

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quick isle]

https://pokepast.es/66649b880aa5a996
I'm worried about my match up into ground and if solar beam is worth it

[heady kiln]

your sylv is cute charm btw

[celest portal]

literal first attempt at a team...
https://pokepast.es/ea919ecb678ee12e

[storm silo]

I have a tip: unless you are using a rain team use murkrow as your tailwind setter as it deals with a few things as well as just having a bit more utility in quash,thunder wave,foul play,haze(very good at dealing with dondozo) and a few others I'm probably forgetting

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/c89b6cf083c99ef0 this is for vgc series 2

We got hands + meow to deal with dozo, arcanine and armarouge for fairies, grimm helps against dragons, we can beat garganacl and gholdengo what does this team lose to

Actually might lose to annihilape but we have wisp

[storm silo]

Most of your Pokémon are physical so burn can cripple your team but that won't happen to often but it's something to keep in mind

[sand minnow]

I might need to fix some evs but it seems solid?

[storm silo]

Yea it's not bad

The Armarouge isn't the fastest thing ever but it's fine

[sand minnow]

Its a t room team mostly

Meow is to keep the team from getting steam rolled by dragons and more importantly dozi

Dozo*

[storm silo]

Though I haven't played a ton of vgc so I don't know to much about the tier

I've played enough and seen enough to have an idea of the meta

But I'm not an expert

[sand minnow]

Ik dozo, murkrow, hydreigon, iron hands, meowscarada, gholdengo, annihilape, maushold, and garganacl are all really damn good in vgc

@valid mesa

[storm silo]

Yea garg is pretty good in general just cause salt cure exists

[sand minnow]

But with hands, meowscarada, and taunt snarl i should be fine against garg

[storm silo]

Yea

[sand minnow]

Infact ape might not even be that bad with taunt snarl

[solid umbra]

https://pokepast.es/0ced9a7808821fd0

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[solid umbra]

can someone please rate this team

i am not sure about EV spreads and its a team I borrowed and changed a bit

[dense wing]

e(somebody plz rate, i have a s2 team idea already but i wanna see if i can use this in s2 with any adjustments)

[winter gulch]

ok I'm starting them all now

Just going from the top of the list

[dense wing]

and so it begins

[winter gulch]

Your team wants more immediate offensive Pressure on your TR team. Snady Shocks doesn't fit on this team at all, I would look at something like Flutter Mane maybe to give yourself a bit of ideas outside of TR

[winter gulch]

Seems decent, you have a lot of Ice and Fairy weaknesses so I would consider a swapping one of Dnite, Chomp, or Aniihilape out and replace it for something that can help you resist Fairy/Ice more (fire type is good)
That Dragonite set is so weird, I would suggest adding Dragon Claw over Roost and maybe Protect > Rock Slide to give you some more immediate damage options without Tera/DDance
Also what is Foul Play on Amoonguss for, + you want a more immediate healing item such as Sitrus
Protect > Tera Blast on the Monkey if you do keep it

[fleet moss]

Okay ty

The Dragonite set is weird because most of the time it is just using Extreme Speed

And I'm rn trying Pollen Puff on the Amoonguss

[fleet moss]

Which one of Dnite, chomp or ape would you swap, and for what?

[winter gulch]

Solid team! You probably need a stronger Dondozo counter for this team, and Discharge isn't great for the synergy (run Protect)
You could consider Haze > CC or another move on Palafin to help that out a bit
Also you NEED Tailwind on at least Kilowattrel or Pelipper, you could consider both lol
Also Leaf Storm > Giga Drain on Amoonguss

[winter gulch]

Solid team! Gardevoir could be swapped out for something that better covers your team as its pretty redundant, maybe something to help our against the Rain MU? Tauros Water could be an idea, but there are lots of other good options out there to help your Rain MU!
Sets look good, I like the team!

[winter gulch]

Actually looks quite decent! Tera Ice Bundle isn't great (change to water), idk how I feel about Tera Steel on Dondozo (but its not bad) The rest of the team looks great, maybe protect > Feint but that's up to you! Nice team!

[winter gulch]

You don't have enough support for the 2 million set up mons you have, Coal/Flamigo/Cloyster/Masquerain are D tier mons at best this gen, I woudl really just recommend a rental team tbh

[static mountain]

https://pokepast.es/1c56b7b391165ee2
Any apprent weaknesses?

[winter gulch]

This team gets incredibly farmed by Iron Bundle, I would swap mons like Hydreigon and Flapple out for Pokemon that will support your team better
Gravity is often used with low accuracy moves like hypnosis, which you don't have so I would just give it Protect and another move over Thunder and Gravity. Protect Band Dnite is such a troll, pls fix that. You want Protect on Flutter, remove the grass move. Also if you do keep Hydreigon, pls run Scope Lens if you are using Focus Energy

[winter gulch]

This team is literally random mons just slapped around with no synergy between them at all

THe Hydreigon set is still bad, why do you have Moody in VGC lol (its garbage in VGC)
Mimikyu with Pahntom Force as its only move is literally unusable

[winter gulch]

This team looks ok, but you have a bunch of mons that would do great in TR not having TR support, would suggest adding it on Mimikyu.
Iron Bundle doesn't really it on this team tbh since nothing really benefits from the Icy Wind supprot Bundle excels at
Also you have like no special attackers, I would replace some Pokemon so you can hit on the special side

[covert hill]

can anyone tell me what do you think of my team?

https://pokepast.es/57398ae48be63927

[winter gulch]

The Hydreigon wants a Tera to help it live more, Magnezone wants a defensive Tera + Thunderbolt > Discharge
Just use Swords Dance on Quaquaval, you get a bigger attack boost + you get a better item such as Sitrus on it
I would suggest adding another Dondozo check to help pyour team deal with that threat (yes I am aware I removed the crit mon from your team but it wasn't good as a check or a set in general tbh)

[winter gulch]

The team isn't bad, idk what Froslass does that another Pokemon can't, Arcanine and Tauros have the same role and fire typing, just choose one and replace the other to support your team better (offensively or defensively) Also your team has no synergies defensively or offensively, I would suggest adding Meowscarada over Froslass or the fire type you remove.
The Mimikyu set isn't great tbh, I would suggest Life Orb on Mimikyu if you can, and replace Leech Life with Protect or Swords Dance
Tatsugiri wants Scarf with that set, and I would run Muddy Wtaer > Surf so you don't hit yourself

[winter gulch]

Looks ok, I would add more immediate offensive pressure on your team, and you can try doing that by replacing Hatterene for another strong physical attacker like Kingambit
Indeedee wants TR so you can set it up multiple times since your team heavily relies on it.
Rage Fist > Shadow Claw on Primeape

[winter gulch]

Looks ok, as Yellow paint said Sylveon is Cute Charm, but Palafin isn't supported by rain or anything and it wants Rain to help it OHKO a lot more stuff. You want Spirit Break > Taunt on Grimmsnarl and it should be ok

[plucky cairn]

Thank you, it was the First Team Ive Built for gen 9 and just kept gardevoir because i really like the imprison Play and can catch alot of people off guard who Are Not familiar with it, im really glad to hear you like it tho Because you seem to rate Teams pretty strict(also ignore my englisch and grammar im on mobile with German autocorrect and its making every Word a Capital)

Also its for series 1

So no paradox mons

[dense wing]

Would Iron Hands be slow enough to fit somewhere on this? I'm curious cuz it's my favourite robot lol

[fleet moss]

Did some adjustments, still unsure of which one I should remove (between chomp, dnite and ape), I changed up the Amoonguss a bit, and did some minor changes to Dragonite's and Grimmsnarl's movesets.
https://pokepast.es/da56978dcab9d91c

[winter gulch]

I think the team is ok, you can remove Scovillain and replace it with a mon like Iron Bundle or Indeedee to support your team / ground weakness a bit more, That Torkoal feels really weird, you could look into protect or Eruption on it.
Besides that it looks ok, you can consider Moonblast ver Thunder on Flutter Mane since that move will never hit in Sun

[winter gulch]

That Tinkaton set doesn't even take advantage of its main niche which is Gigaton Hammer, honestly I would just remove it. Pelipper is here for TW but is a bit slow for it + doesn't help your team out too much, would suggest a different Tailwind user such as Roaring Moon
Sandy Shocks can use Earth power btw....
Also your team only has Kingambit that defensively helps your types, I would suggest removing Pelipper and TInkaton and replace it for a fire mon and a support mon to help synergize with your team more

[static mountain]

Eeveon do you think 11-0 is good on ladder?

[winter gulch]

its quite solid yes!!

[static mountain]

the one thing I have trouble with is mimikyu TR ngl

safety goggles mimikyu in specific

[winter gulch]

Whirlwind doesn't phase Dozo btw, you 100% want AV Hands on that team
Indeedee-M isn't doing ANYTHING that Indeedee-F can't do, swap that around + Draining Kiss is garbage in VGC (not enough offensive pressure)
Weak Armor Armarouge gives you no Torkoal Mu so I would switch it to Flash Fire
I would also run a more offensive Arcanine if you keep it since your team doesn't have that much offensive pressure as it is now

[pulsar jewel]

So the concept of the 6 mons is fine?

Excluding razor claw quaq

[plucky cairn]

I feel your username

[winter gulch]

before you steal spreads, I woudl generally try to figure out what it does (but if you stole them it should be ok), I would run Life Orb Tusk and remove Iron Head. idk what Armarouge is doing on that team, but besides that I think the team is nice

[pulsar jewel]

Been waiting since fairies came out

[dense wing]

i don't want indeedee to have 4 status moves so what should i swap out for tr?

[pulsar jewel]

Lol

[winter gulch]

Psychic/TR/Follow Me

and then add Protect or Helping Hnad

[fleet moss]

Also I have been wondering if I should add another offensive mon or a supportive mon to my team

[winter gulch]

Its usable, I wouldn't recommend Magnezone but it works?
btw Series 1 is over so idk if that team is very useful anymore

[pulsar jewel]

Oh what's good in series 2?

[sand minnow]

@winter gulch how is this trick room team

Series 2

[winter gulch]

I was thinking of that actually! I think you could also replace Annihilape in that case and add something that can cover your team's weaknesses a bit more + remove fighting overlap

[winter gulch]

I rated it

[sand minnow]

Ah i see sorry

Q

[dense wing]

so iron hands + insert mon here over ape and insert team member here

?

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/56b6651470c8bc14 series 1

[winter gulch]

https://pokepast.es/8ce4cf6390f232e5 here are the changes I would make

[winter gulch]

yes

[fleet moss]

ty

I think Dragonite and Garchomp overlap each other too much, I think I only want to keep one of them

[winter gulch]

This team looks like it really depends on TR but only has one setter + not enough support to help it set it up
Protect > Sub on Sylveon, AV Dragonite is really really really underwhelming in terms of its damage output, would recommend Band or Lorb + Dragon Dance
Your Arboliva is too passive for a TR abuser, I would give it stronger moves and remove Strength Sap (fwiw I think Arbolica isn't great in general)
btw Sylveon and Dragonite feel a bit tacked on

[fleet moss]

Not sure of which one I want to keep though

[lost phoenix]

sylv was mainly for hydra and dnite was mainly for opposing tauros

specifically fire

could remove either for a tr setter tho

hmm what about

[lost phoenix]

mimikyu>sylv?

[winter gulch]

That could work yes

Shadow Sneak Play Rough TR + 1

[lost phoenix]

tect last is safe prob

but ill do wisp

to deal with gambit

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/984d06cdb290f424 any ivs or evs i need to change? Prob need to have 0 speed on hands and armarouge

[lost phoenix]

pokepast.es/00ce6e340e3919de

[winter gulch]

Yeah fix the speed IVs and then test the team out, and see how it goes!

[lost phoenix]

hm u also mentioned ssap

main issue without ssap to me was chomp

[winter gulch]

Once you get TR you should just be able to double into it and KO it with your mons

or at least greatly chip it down with your moves

[lost phoenix]

hm then

[winter gulch]

Arboliva wants 252 SpA EVs with Quiet Nature btw

[lost phoenix]

i can do dazzling gleam

Arboliva @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Seed Sower
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Dazzling Gleam
• Giga Drain
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

like this

[sand minnow]

Question how good os arboliva

[winter gulch]

Hyper Voice for STAB, I would at least go Energy Ball, maybe Leaf Storm

[winter gulch]

imo not very good

[lost phoenix]

its fine

its like

very specific

only really works on tork tr teams imo

[sand minnow]

Double fake out tr seems like itd be mad annoying

[iron fiber]

So this is my first team. Building for Scarlet Violet season 2 VGC so i am looking for pointers on this one. Not too sure about TTar (Weather Control) + Amoongus (Stats Wiper)

Also 2nd moveslot for Gholdengo was supposed to be D.Gleam 😦

Idea behind it is to use the Farigiraf + Iron Hands combo (rip Hariyama)

https://pokepast.es/cba9254e7f375ce6 @winter gulch

[dense wing]

https://pokepast.es/7cdaee51abc30951 this what we got rn @winter gulch

[covert hill]

Yes I know but cute charm was an accident

I've actually already changed it

About the rain and Grimm Ty

Maybe I can use pelipper to support it

[lucid fulcrum]

Hey! I've made my first team, I would love some advices and stuff. It's here: https://pokepast.es/be8a2e35afddf98b
Any tips on how to make it a more useful sun team?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic tinsel]

Me when, When the: https://pokepast.es/d041e03c81de58fb @valid mesa @normal stream @main plaza @winter gulch

[agile shell]

Haven't lost a game I've brought ttar to yet this szn maybe I should stop fearing iffy matchups and just bring him and a redirector every game

[storm silo]

It's fast it's got decent support and also I like the design

[dense wing]

trying to shift into trick sun https://pokepast.es/0f7149a0f58117cb @valid mesa

[eager crag]

Very new to VGC but this team has worked well so far but idk

https://pokepast.es/aed1fa334591736e

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[eager crag]

also another version but with annihilape

https://pokepast.es/490564b0cd0eac67

[lost scroll]

👍 Thank you! I am actually running Tail Wind on Pelipper, but I don't usually try it as he's slower than most. I usually use Amonguss against Dozo

[lost scroll]

Wide Guard+Clear Fog and gg

[tidal abyss]

https://pokepast.es/628f8828fa6b9cf0 can anyone help me improve this?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tidal abyss]

besides replacing cruel with amoongus?

[balmy valley]

https://pokepast.es/8cc8d7dc92d38b2d
Series 2

[tropic tinsel]

This

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/3e243cbdece50bf5 series 2 belly hands t room attempt.

@winter gulch

[eager crag]

@sand minnow
So I'm no expert but...
Not sure it Iron hands with no electric move is intentional but put either thunder punch or wild charge instead of ice punch

For Armarouge, instead of dragon pulse, I'd say either energy ball or aura sphere

Also they could all get different tera types

[sand minnow]

I had dragon pulse on it?

Also ice punch is mostly for garchomp and dragonite

[eager crag]

Yes you do

Ok but still weird it doesn't have an electric move but you choice

Also they could have different tera types

[sand minnow]

Hmmm i made the changes but what do i sub for a dragon counter

Maybe armarouge with sylveon

But at that point wouldnt gothitelle be better than indeede

[eager crag]

I mean armarogue did have dragon pulse

[sand minnow]

Actually no because of follow me

[sand minnow]

I mean yeah but even with it, chomp just takes the hit and goes for eq

But garg blocks eq

Hmmm maybe sylveon > armarouge?

[eager crag]

Honestly it's up to you

But maybe and hear me out

Indeedee, replace Psychic with Dazzling gleam and give it a fairy tera type

[sand minnow]

I forgot indedee got dazz gleam

[eager crag]

Speaking of tera types

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/e526b3b575966abe

[eager crag]

Iron hands: not sure
Garganacl: ghost steel or flying (not sure which is best for garanacl)
Arcanine: not sure
Amoogus: Water (idk it just seem popular)
Indeedee: fairy
Armarouge: Psychic

[sand minnow]

^^

[eager crag]

Or grass for armarouge

I just realized Iron hands doesn't have full EVs

[sand minnow]

I filled that in

[dense wing]

did the raters die again

[sand minnow]

Yup

[eager crag]

Is that why my team is yet to be rated?

[dense wing]

probably

just wait, it'll get rated eventually

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/44aa1e83fea0867b replaced arc with gholdengo

Ghold isnt fast 84 seems slow enough for trick toom. Helps against fairies too

[eager crag]

Well since we're here

https://pokepast.es/a0be8f7588c55395

this is my team

Okay why is it that when i share my team everyone goes silent

[balmy valley]

Because WP Weak Armor Armarouge is generally considered "low ladder cheese"

Safety Goggles, Life Orb or Twisted Spoon + Flash Fire is much more consistent

[eager crag]

Is it seriously considered low ladder cheese? like, "a strat that is just meant to have you progress in lower levels but once it reaches high level play, it's super predictable and bad"

[balmy valley]

yes

[eager crag]

damn

i really need to learn more about VGC

[balmy valley]

Armarouge WP Weak Armor will get you to about 1200 Elo

and then people will realize that it is completely easily countered by a single Iron Bundle

[winter gulch]

hi sorry I've been a little bit swamped with stuffs, I will get to these shortly

I think a general rule of thumb (which will save everyone time + help you all get better at the game) is to identify where a team's weaknesses lie. Before you drop a paste here, I would suggest looking at common threats, typings, etc. to see if your team is weak to that. If it is, fix it and try that new team out. If your team doesn't have those issues, I would suggest testing it out on ladder to see which Pokemon, moves/sets might be suboptimal and fixing those as issues arise. Then, once those are all fixed and you're still having issues/want your team rated we can help you with that!
It just clears my load a bit since I'm basically the only one doing VGC rn lol

[eager crag]

Actually it's even more countered by a scarf meowscarada

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/da849f8d828c8be1 i kinda struggle against rain, dk how to fix

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost phoenix]

Made gambit tera fire, due to skeledirge

[normal stream]

is skeledirge even that relevant

i feel like ive never seen it on high ladder

from a glance team looks too passive

if youre not gonna dedicate to ptrap youre gonna want more offensive options

does amoong + goth not work for rain rn

[lost phoenix]

It felt like amoon got worn off really really quickly

Maybe i should ev better

[normal stream]

if anything it feels like the lack of ground resist is a bigger issue

[lost phoenix]

Hm

[normal stream]

if youre using amoong mostly for rain u want it to be fatter specially

bc jugulis/dengo/pelipper all hit very hard

[lost phoenix]

One of the dragon flyings instead of arcanine?

[normal stream]

honestly rn valiant feels like a dead slot to me

hows it been

[lost phoenix]

Its been fine to lead with

Against eq spam teams the wide guard and the ability to threaten chomp has been nice

[normal stream]

feels like youd want one of icy wind/encore/disable in the wide guard slot

how oftne are u clicking wide guard

[lost phoenix]

A lot

Actually

I think i click it more than cc

[normal stream]

hmm

[lost phoenix]

Especially against tork lilli i pmuch need it

[normal stream]

rn valaint feels like it doesnt contribute much

oh youre still in the lillikoal trenches huh...

[lost phoenix]

Im around 1400

90% of matches here are

Lillikoal

[normal stream]

i dont remember the last time i saw a lillikoal

💀

oh youre goggles tera grass arc

that seems a lil overkill

id probs just run like tera something else

ngl

gimme a moment

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1785172607-7v15xr7h3ul0clzm436cmtkhkxmanhspw

take a look at this ptrap team from 1.6k

ptrap is merely an option but hte team itself works very cohesively with plenty of ways to apply offensive pressure

which imo is whats lacking here bc you have a more defensive ptrap team rather than an offensive one

https://pokepast.es/1bb327408c0b0dd8

actually nvm i think flutter still wants sash here

but ive changed a few things

i feel like kingambit also doesnt need to be brave

can easily be ada

lillikoal is always an annoying matchup that imo

theres no consistent counterplay around

unless you have an opposing weather

so u just gotta deal w it

as for rain dnite should help deal w it better

[lost phoenix]

I was trying to fit iron moth>arcanine here

Acid spray stuff

[normal stream]

arc is probably fine

but imo the best moth set is like booster

which your valiant is already holding

[lost phoenix]

I could easily do

Sash valiant or goggles moth

I think

[normal stream]

deleted trick room on goth bc i dont think youre reallly gonna click it at all

i feel like taunt is a much better generalist option

[lost phoenix]

Yea thats fair

[normal stream]

against faster teams u need gambit and dnite to get the damage in

[lost phoenix]

With no amoon theres no real point

[normal stream]

but shouldnt be a huge issue i think?

oh also nuked amoong for dnite bc offensive pressure

and a ground resist

also fairly good into rain and sun

against trick room i think your gameplan is to just try to get taunt up

ok depending on the matchup

[lost phoenix]

Yea i was doing that too

[normal stream]

if its giraf u lead flutter + goth

get taunt up and click psong

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/1400e5897d814312 my version is this rn

[normal stream]

with arc and maybe gambit in the back deepending on matchup

feels like any form of prior just murders this

without arc

maybe keep the arc hmm

[lost phoenix]

Why not

Tsar here

[normal stream]

tsar always seems good on paper until you use it

[lost phoenix]

Its a ground resist with decent offensive power and rain matchups well

[normal stream]

nah its like mid into rain unless youre tera water or something

bc u just get hurricaned

[lost phoenix]

Fair

What about

Gyara>dnite

[normal stream]

gyara isnt in a good spot rn

just gets dunked on by like literally everything

;-;

the other option there would be like

roaring moon i guess

but imo its a shitmon that really wants booster

and in the case of helping w lillikoal mu the best set is spe boost w tailwind

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/673cd36eb9ea04c9 I tried to listen to eeveons advice...it didnt work out but something feels like its missing with this team I'm not sure what it is

@normal stream

[lost phoenix]

Idk i could go like

Mence then?

Idk i really wanna fit moth here

Double fairy seems like it wants moth

[pulsar jewel]

https://pokepast.es/07d75d3993883a42 Edited variation of my Hydreigon team; edited for series 2 (Hello Great Tusk)

[iron fiber]

@normal stream @winter gulch @main plaza @valid mesa

I adjusted my team and i was wondering if this works or not... https://pokepast.es/9b57068be0092a78

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/10a57e436a7b2f32 @normal stream i adjusted the team a bit

[stoic charm]

hello I have made a team for series 2 and this is my actual first team where I actually built it on my own without inspiration or anything so I wanna know if there is anything I could fix with it

https://pokepast.es/f3976f78ceef52dd

[winter gulch]

You have a mon dedicated to set up TR but not really anything to use it effectively. In addition, Cyclizar and Veluza are never used in VGC< they don't offer anything something else doesn't or isn't worth the slot investment. In general most of the things are a bit odd? by VGC standards, I would look into some rental/sample teams to help you get a better sense of what is good in VGC!

We have a bunch of teams pinned up top, there's basically a team for anything you could ask for lol

[winter gulch]

Most of the sets look ok, I think the team is a bit reliant on Corviknight getting TW up which isn't great as you need it to outspeed key mons like Flutter and Bundle. The Corv set is kinda weird, but everything else kinda works? They don't synergize with each other that well and kinda looks like a bunch of mons slapped together.
Also your team looks like Flutter Mane food lol

[pulsar jewel]

ok so i remove corvi and set up a fluttermane check?

thought corvi could be good bc steel typing but i'll revise it

[winter gulch]

Looks ok, I assume you're team is going a TR approach? idk if Pincurchin is worth having for the Quark Drive boost (its weak), and I would consider trying AV Iron Hands instead of AV Kingambit. I would replace Ttar since its typing conflicts with Kingambit and doesn't add much that Kingambit doesn't and I would try a fast mon like Flutter Mane to give yourself a mode that isn't so reliant on TR. Also you don't have enough support to consistently set up TR on Firagiraf, people like double target it and prevent TR from going up

[winter gulch]

Have you tested the team out on ladder yet?

[pulsar jewel]

no

[winter gulch]

I would suggest doing that first

personally from my experience, playing the team out on ladder myself and seeing where I have problems is the easiest way to fix issues

teams often look nice on paper but after testing just doesn't work (I would know, its painful lol )

[winter gulch]

I think Corv isn't bad, the set I've been seeing on ladder is
Tera Dragon
Bulk Up, Roost, Brave Bird, Body Press

btw I think Tera Fire Gastrodon could be solid for your team, covers a lot of weaknesses you have while being disruptive with Yawn

[pulsar jewel]

i played a game against flutter mane

and got smashed

definitely corv was not the move

[winter gulch]

On perish trap you 100% want Sash on Flutter, idk what Valiant and Salamence do tbh. I would probably try Bundle over Iron Valiant and maybe something else of Salamence (like Meowscarada, idk about this change yet though). Bundle wants Sash or Booster Energy, but you could probably make Lorb work? If you haven't tried the team out on ladder, I would suggest that first but idk how I would fix this team without reworking the whole thing lol (I also don't know Perish Trap too well)

[iron fiber]

Thanks for the suggestions !!! I did went for a trick room team (mainly to see the Firagiraf and Iron Hands combo)

After testing out some games on the ladder i gotta admit the pincurchin tech is not as strong as i think. It did clutch some wins with the fact that it was slower than some checks like Mudsdale and whatnot.

I thought i was being cheeky with the whole attack boost and the whole no sleeping in the electric terrain. Also Ttar is there to break the weather (you see a lot of Torkoal these days after all) and can you explain to me a bit on the whole typing conflict? I thought no damage in sand is good

I do setup Firagiraf with Iron Hands fake out, but intimidate does make it hard

[lost phoenix]

I was suggested lorb flutter by yuicchi, mence is for a rain check with intim so i dont get destroyed by priority spam, and valiant is like the main thing i wanna keep

[winter gulch]

Ah ok makes sense, Yuichi knows better than I do lol

[lost phoenix]

Yuicchis 6 was valiant flutter goth arc dnite gambit, but i wanted to fit moth

So i made it valiant flutter goth moth mence gambit

[winter gulch]

Yeah I would go something like this too lol

Have you tested the team on ladder? If so, hows that been going for you?

[lost phoenix]

Its been doing good so far but it felt like something was missing

Hands is annoying but its hands

Not much i can do

[winter gulch]

Haha yeah, you have two fairy types so it hopefully isn't too terrible lol

[lost phoenix]

Yea i mostly try to

Get flutter in

[lost phoenix]

Wdyt of quick guard valiant here btw?

[winter gulch]

I think it could be an interesting addition, makes your team less weak to priority. Not sure whether to remove CC or Icy Wind (probably Icy Wind) but I think it's an idea

[stoic charm]

oh ok, thank you

[lost phoenix]

The flexible slot is icy wind

[tropic tinsel]

RMT(I Wanted to make a KlangGang (Plus and Minus ability team) but Klang doesn't exist and it just shifted into Terrain+TRoom bs: https://pokepast.es/1344c2b319dadebc

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[normal stream]

have u tried the team out

[tropic tinsel]

Oh shit where did my 4th move on pinchirshin go

Also yes

And I just so happen to have this image that just makes me feel bad.

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/e67ae16d288dd845 @normal stream i tried the team a bit more

Ended up w this

[sand minnow]

@winter gulch i tried to balance this out but i dont think it worked maybe its because im not familiar with vgc but this team feels like its missing something.

[normal stream]

do u have any matchups that youre struggling with

[normal stream]

idk how i feel about mmence honestly

its one of thsoe mons that seem good but always end up being a steaming pile of shit

also what priority are you struggling against in particular

[lost phoenix]

Dnite

[normal stream]

mence aint helping against that though

x_x

might as well run tera ghost bundle with encore

[lost phoenix]

Sure

[lost phoenix]

What item does bundle run if not sash or booster

[sand minnow]

Ping4vgc

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/0c7af3b4ce192bef

switcheroo worked well with teams which had flutter or moon

so like 90% of teams

[tropic tinsel]

Rate: https://pokepast.es/dc3ed66cb4370c4b
Also a ladder game: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1791838621

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic tinsel]

Also pom pom should be Tera rock or

And better nicknames

[austere heron]

hello! i am new here and to VGC, well i have been into it but i am looking to actually enter some competitions this year. i am not a meta player, i am like Karen and only use my favourites :3 so here is my current team with faves from the Paldea region. tips for maybe better spreads or moves or even swaps are welcome x https://pokepast.es/fc07c989c36dbdf1

[tropic tinsel]

Where spatk?

[austere heron]

good question, did not even think of that. i had gardevoir on my team instead of scream tail

[covert hill]

the team isn't really good, first I don't think own tempo is a good ability for tinkaton, mold breaker is better, second in doubles you are looking for pokemon that work well with each other and you basically have a team of sweepers, I would recommend putting light screen in scream tail, and some tank/support to help your mons, something like amoonguss or indeedee-F

[covert hill]

also i don't think the tera-types are the ideal for the mons ur using

[agile shell]

@winter gulch https://pokepast.es/dfd3c27ee5b6a7a2

Behold my abomination that I've actually done every relevant calc I can think for and still can't decide on specs vs booster for flutter on

Yes I'm the ttar guy on Neil's vids and yes I'm the one who coined thorns the knock off Kmart ttar😂😂

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[eager crag]

https://pokepast.es/f42e9d67a0ad4efc
I am no means a good VGC player but I know how to play it

Btw Tatsigiri is there just because i like it

[agile shell]

Submitted that then swapped amoongus for indeedee bc trick room is now rampant with all the attempts to counter the two oppressive speed demons

And full priority teams are now a thing

So she shuts them down alone with imprison and terrain

[late thunder]

Hey I’ve been put on to this discord. My coworkers are having a friendly tournament. I’ve never played Comp. b4. Can someone suggest a really good team?

[plain grove]

https://pokepast.es/77b37a23272c8c2b i used this team last series, is this still good and how can it be improved to adapt to series 2?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[austere heron]

hmm yea that does make sense, thanks i am going to look into building an actual team and what roles certain mons have in it. what tera types do you think dont really work?

[covert hill]

First iron hands, tera steel isn't really good since he still takes super effective damage from ground attacks, tera flying on ceruledge isn't bad but I would put something that resists water like grass for example, with tera blast that would work even better because u could KO a Mon which was threatening to your initial type, quaquaval suffers from the iron hands problem, he still takes super effective damage from electric if flying type, maybe try some type which resists grass and electric or psychic, everything else isn't bad since scream tail and the rest of the team are for support

I would recommend as well changing some items in Ur mons

[winter gulch]

Check the repository pinned!

[austere heron]

gotcha, thank you!

[covert hill]

Ur welcome

If u need help again feel free to ask

[tired oxide]

https://pokepast.es/cc9ced8527231c3e

@winter gulch

[hearty depot]

https://pokepast.es/b62a4299e0137428

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/6c5e9df6c92f3b91 how is this iron hands team?

[woven rose]

https://pokepast.es/3248343340e98da6
I feel like I'm backpedaling even more. Talonflame wasn't really doing much and brute bonnet wasn't ever doing anything really either. Still wondering if I should get rid of Iron Hands

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/67b435dc31209d97 fixed hydreigon

[agile shell]

Iron hands and amoongus are slower than molasses and relying only on icy wind for speed control isn't ideal

Especially if you're me and it misses 3-4x every day even with 95%🤢

[woven rose]

I mean I think I’ll stick with amoonguss but do you have any thoughts on what I should do with iron hands? I don’t really think amoonguss is meant to be fast

@winter gulch do you have any thoughts (sorry for unwanted ping if not)

[agile shell]

They aren't meant to be fast I'm just saying you don't have trick room to flip speed or anything else to increase your own so you're kinda stuck with slugs sitting there

And no taunt or anything to help with opposing tailwind, dozo also doesn't fear this team

I think a supportive talonflame with ghost terra would help tbh, will o wisp the physical attackers, set up counter tailwind and be terra ghost for perish trap and getting around fake out along with giving flying coverage with brave bird

Also might want some rock or ground moves too mixed in since there's a lot of physically frail special attackers out there

[austere heron]

thanksies :3 im trying some new builts now

[woven rose]

Do you think I should use talonflame instead of Arcanine? I tried using it before but I couldn’t really get it to work

[agile shell]

Talonflame pretty much works best as flat out tailwind setter then have him will o wisp/taunt support and then just dive bomb away with flare blitz and brave bird

BB is still priority at full health so a 120 power STAB move priority is never bad

I'd play around with it tbh bc Arcanine is a good utility poke

[woven rose]

Thoughts on item? I was using covert cloak before

[agile shell]

That's what I use

So I don't have to terra unless I suspect a double attack

Most dozo/TR/balance teams wont

But hyper speed offense will bc they need to kill u before tailwind

I also personally like specs or damage boosting item on flutter

[woven rose]

I did notice that I wasn’t really KO-ing with flutter

[agile shell]

Yea she doesn't go down to special attacks and outspeeds most physical attackers

Ppl forget she has 135 base spD

[woven rose]

Ye. I’m think life orb so I’m may not be bound to just one move

Any thoughts on a 6th mon?

[deft bough]

https://pokepast.es/3f98cb822d0d256e have not played vgc in a fat minute, thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[woven rose]

This is where I am now. Sorry for crap picture, I’m at school

[covert hill]

the team is pretty solid i would only change amonguss since indeedee-F is ur special tank, but it's fine to have 2 special tanks, a very solid team overall

oh i would put swords dance on kingambit

[deft bough]

for what move??

[agile shell]

Some ppl use life orb I didn't like it tbh

Flutter HP so low I felt like I was going down a turn faster, you could use booster on it and accept that switching will sap power

I've been leading flutter so I can swap choice specs lock especially into energy ball when a pain in the ass water type comes in

[agile shell]

If chomp is your preference run him, but his survivability with ice running around like crazy is questionable since he's famous for getting one ice cube thrown at him and dying😂

Especially with no AV

Maybe use occa or whatever ice resist berry it is

I personally like ttar and tusk more but tar isn't fast and youd prob like a faster physical threat

Tusk or dnite with priority extreme speed may fit better

[woven rose]

Problem with AV is most of my attackers would benefit from it but can only have 1

[covert hill]

mmm maybe for protect

oh and also i wouldn't use black glasses in kingambit

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

I would like to get advice on this team https://pokepast.es/67b435dc31209d97 fixed hydreigon

[fossil jolt]

https://pokepast.es/0d6c149e78527756 is there a way to improve this team

[winter gulch]

I have a couple assignments + an overnight competition this week but I should be able to get back to rating teams soon
I promise it won't be this busy again LOOOL

[deft bough]

https://pokepast.es/65f8dd7b8f3827b3 thoughts??

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[halcyon gale]

https://pokepast.es/1301a6126e2b863c

made it roseli 80 spdef moon

cuz

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 80 SpD Roseli Berry Roaring Moon: 152-182 (84.4 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

doesnt hurt

[placid vigil]

https://pokepast.es/fabe0005e6f53743 so far made it to rank 700 with the team in the ingame ladder but looking to improve it. Any advice would be appreciated

[versed root]

https://pokepast.es/c0b64ab6c5e31c98

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[versed root]

I had a small break from showdown, and am now hovering around 1400 with this team. Is there anything new in the meta to look out for / I can add?

[versed root]

If it’s relevant, I’ve really been struggling with gastrodon

[cursive mason]

Yeah gastrodon is pretty relevant right now

[versed root]

so uh, any tips on what to do for it?

[cursive mason]

Trying to figure out something you could do without changing mons(because I’m lazy and don’t want to have to think about that) maybe SD hands here? Although tbh I’m not sure if that will totally fix the mu but it will make it so you don’t get steamrolled

Realistically you will probably have to replace mons

Cuz as it stands now 4 out of 6 of your mons lose to gastro and flutter/amoong don’t really beat it too well cuz amoong relies on spore+teammate

[plucky cairn]

https://pokepast.es/1ebbfe2f1136103c
Sorry for Interrupting your conversation, but heres the Team i want to bring to the bochum regionals, thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cursive mason]

You can kinda play around gastro with amoong? But it is def a tough mu

Palafin feels pretty antisynergistic here

What’s it for?

[plucky cairn]

I thought of it as a good switch option when i trick room with flutter mane

So i lead flutter mane palafin and Switch palafin for torkoal and then sweep with jet punch later

[cursive mason]

Also I’d recommend sash flutter mane here, probably with max speed max spatk so you have a backup option if TR doesn’t go off

Jet punch really clashes with torkoal and indeedee here

[plucky cairn]

I wasnt that sure with palafin tho

I really like the mon and thought i needed a watee type

[normal stream]

palafin looks out of place

[cursive mason]

Like you really want to bring either one for a TR team and that means your palafin will be neutered

[normal stream]

just run this lol

[plucky cairn]

Maybe i take Iron Bundle?

[normal stream]

i met it like

2 mins ago

good team

[cursive mason]

Yeah tusk works

[cursive mason]

You don’t need a water on sun

[plucky cairn]

Yeah Thats kinda true

Tbh i don’t even know Why i was thinking i needed a water

[cursive mason]

What was the item on tusk here?

[plucky cairn]

I was so fixated on it during Team Building

[normal stream]

idk they didnt reveall

im assuming either av or sash

[plucky cairn]

I think av fits better on my Team Here

[normal stream]

wait no its def not av

probs sash

[cursive mason]

Lame

Feel like you’d really want sash flutter AV tusk here but idk I don’t build TR

[normal stream]

oh wait they did

we did ots

lmao ok brb

[plucky cairn]

The thing is, when i don’t run booster energy flutter Mane then i dont have any paradox That uses it

[normal stream]

https://pokepast.es/8930b3e68bc71421

clear amute

[cursive mason]

You don’t need to have booster on the team

[normal stream]

amulet

fire

honestly a very pogging torkoal set

[cursive mason]

I’d prefer av personally but I see the appeal of amulet

[normal stream]

amulet might actually be better on rooom

[cursive mason]

Also yes very hype tork set

[normal stream]

bc u want to kill things fast

and amulet helps u achieve that

[cursive mason]

True

[plucky cairn]

Yeah Thats true

[normal stream]

icy wind flutter looks fire here

im assumign their arma and tusk have spreads that take advanage of that

[cursive mason]

Yeah I’d bet their arma is like a bit speed invested

[normal stream]

mono dgleam indeedee is like

w/e

but i personally prefer keeping psychic

[plucky cairn]

Why would i run icy Wind on flutter?

[normal stream]

speed control

breaks sash

[plucky cairn]

Ive played my flutter with pretty Defensive spreads so i can Setup Trick room

[normal stream]

its a fine move honestly

[plucky cairn]

It is

[normal stream]

are u clicking trick room w flutter

if so then u really want like

a fat ass flutter

but if you do that

[cursive mason]

TR teams usually want a backup if TR doesn’t go up

[normal stream]

u need something else for speed control

outside of room

aka bundle

[plucky cairn]

Thats Why i also have armarouge trick room

[normal stream]

bundle can theoretically work over tusk here

[plucky cairn]

Yeah

I could also use flutter mane way More offensive with icy Wind

But then im Kind of bound to Leading armarouge indeedee

[normal stream]

why?

[plucky cairn]

Because noone Else Knows Trick room and its Not thaaaaaaat Good to lead armarouge Alone

Imo

But i could do that

Yeah

[normal stream]

no my question is

[plucky cairn]

Its Not that bad

[normal stream]

why do u have dedicated leads

[plucky cairn]

I don’t, i just mean that i Kind of Need to lead with my Trick room setters

[normal stream]

getting trick room up is important for such a team ys

but it also doesnt mean that

you should be leading them all the time

[plucky cairn]

Yeah Thats true

I don’t want to do that

But

[normal stream]

why not?

there are various situations where

saving trick room

is in fact a better play

[plucky cairn]

I don’t want to lead with my Trick room Setters all the time Thats what i meant

Sorry

[normal stream]

o

but yea i think its good to practice not leading w them

bc sometimes the problem w setting tr too early is that

you lose all of your potency early game

[plucky cairn]

Im used to having multiple Trick room setter modes, so ill have to get used to it

[normal stream]

and the opp plays around that

[plucky cairn]

Yeah Thats true

https://pokepast.es/146628cd82057002

Like this?

I just took a random spread on tusk

And all of the spreads Are Not Perfect yet, i just wanted opinions on the Team Because im Not used to paradox Mons atm

[normal stream]

looks fine

indeedee doesnt need protect here imo

on bonnet idk if rage powder is really better htan a dakr stab

bc dark hits so hard rn

[plucky cairn]

What

Don’t i have crunch

I do have a dark stab

[normal stream]

oh nvm i saw wrong

feel like u might want a single target move on tork

maybe earth power over tect

[plucky cairn]

Okay, and what would u run on indeedee instead of protect?

I feel like there Are no other extremly Good moves on indeedee

[normal stream]

theres a lot

helping hand is one, imprison can be funny for mirrors

[plucky cairn]

I could run Trick room or imprison

[normal stream]

charm is a lil niche but like i feel its usable

trick room is good too

[plucky cairn]

I have helping hand

[normal stream]

oh u dropped trick romo

run trick romo then

[plucky cairn]

I could swap protect for Trick room Yeah

[plucky cairn]

Okay

The Rest looks Good?

[normal stream]

rest looks ok

[plucky cairn]

Okay

Because i want to run it on regionals and i want to have a Perfect Team Yk

But thank you for your advice to this Point!

[worldly bane]

https://pokepast.es/6137d8dfd6fd853e

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1794843052

most disgusting team I ever made

[sand minnow]

i think your opponent throwing probably helped

[austere heron]

https://pokepast.es/a81fe43ff362e878 went a different direction trying a rain team while still keeping my faves ofc doesnt really feel 'right' just yet so tips are definitely welcome again

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[versed root]

I felt like making a new team, so i threw together this abomination

https://pokepast.es/1ec6209d44563703

i suck at teambuilding and im too lazy to copy another guy’s team

and idk exactly what to ev

just threw together a buncha stuff i saw on yt/felt would be decent

[cursive mason]

There was a team with this kinda core that did well in a tour

https://pokepast.es/1a29087637c0db1a

[versed root]

i remember seeing this team in a cybertronvgc vid. ig ill give it a spin

i might replace one of the mons for an encore + disable scream tail

best dondozo counter fr

and very fun to use

[normal stream]

honestly

u can condense wiggly grimm into sableye

no need for. oth

both

both of them are huge moemntum sinks

[covert hill]

hi

do u need any tips?

[austere heron]

yes please 😄

[tiny urchin]

is this team good? https://pokepast.es/7a993d8d337e41b6

[covert hill]

Imo this team is way better than ur old one, needs a few changes tho, wakan berry isn't bad on pelipper but I would use a damp rock so rain lasts longer, weakness policy is a terrible item on gastro since he's a tank, try leftovers for example, floatzel would be better with a choice band and without agility, he already has swift swim so he doesn't more speed, choice band cuz he has a good attack stat and with choice band + rain he would sweep a lot of things, alomomola is fine I would just put rest on it for the rest + hydration combo, raichu isn't rlly good with an air ballon since he's a support and lacks support moves, like fake out, screens or encore

the team is also very weak to grass

[austere heron]

thanks! what would you change to rest in alomomolas moveset? i am going to try some rounds with the different items and moves 🙂 also saw beartic can have swift swim so will see if he can cover the grass weakness problem

[covert hill]

I would change it for safeguard

Beartic isn't bad

He could work

I would give u an opinion but I haven't played rain teams in gen 9

I'll try to search grass counters with swift swim and tell u

[austere heron]

ok cool thanks

[covert hill]

I was researching and remembered that palafin is very common on rain teams, I would try to use it

also

i'd change alomomola for goodra

goodra is a really good special wall with acess to hydration

about the grass-check I still haven't found much

there are a few option like scizor or volcarona but I don't think they'll be very good

actually scizor could work since he's double weak to fire but im not sure tho

I've found this video if you want to watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfw4ITB0ork&ab_channel=MoxieBoosted

[austere heron]

hm ok interesting, i will definitely give it a watch. playing a weather team feels pretty comfortable

[covert hill]

i'm not a fan of weather teams but they are very solid indeed

just be careful to not depend on weather

[soft sable]

https://pokepast.es/83599847ab8dc68c is it good?

https://pokepast.es/d31e17ab888673b9 or is this better?

[tiny urchin]

first one is better in my opinion

[tiny urchin]

can somebody help me get better at vgc plz

[burnt surge]

@hollow glacier are you not able to post in here?

[hollow glacier]

I am

Now

[burnt surge]

Ig u didn't know how threads work

Just some clarifying questions about your mons before I let the other vgc'ers take over

1. What moves have you put on your mons
2. What EV investment have you given your Pokemon?

[hollow glacier]

Okay wait

I get two advises at the same time

[burnt surge]

Try rebuilding your team in Pokemon Showdown, then you can move back to the real game

So you don't waste time farming TM's/Tera Shards/whatever else

[hollow glacier]

Don't have pc or show down

[burnt surge]

You can still try and use your phone

I've teambuilt on the toilet b4

(Not for vgc, but other stuff)

[hollow glacier]

Okay

Give me on sec

[burnt surge]

Here's an example of a team that might be made on Pokemon Showdown itself

This was for series 1, so no paradoxes

At the bottom, there are two buttons: "Upload to PokePaste" and "Upload to PokePaste (Open Team Sheet)"

When you click "Upload to Pokepaste", it'll open the team in a new page with all the mons, moves, and investment

Copy the link to that page and send it here when you're done

So for this team, that would be https://pokepast.es/baa4e04861a83a6c

@hollow glacier

[hollow glacier]

Yeah

Here's my team

[burnt surge]

Do you see the 2 buttons at the bottom?

Actually this works

Now you wait for someone more competent at VGC than I to help you

[sand minnow]

Me: still waiting for some advice (or at least be told I've already been responded too)

[burnt surge]

post the team again

idk if the ping bot works in here but its cooldown is 6 hrs

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/cbcfa8e112b1710e

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

VERY trick room-reliant team

gonna change that

[muted sedge]

https://pokepast.es/2f80b5e48045a4f0

[hidden path]

idk abt you but i feel good abt this one:

https://pokepast.es/b4d1a0be50e6c1a0

[heady kiln]

why put cloak on an armor indeedee team

[dense wing]

https://pokepast.es/34e9f44a879c669a this is just to counter a water gym leader in a community challenge thing, didn't know how to finalize it too well but this is what i cooked

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

why put weather ball on beli?

if you have a cloud nine pokemon (which eliminates all weather)

theres no use for a weather ball

[dense wing]

my friend gave me the belli set

and i also didn't put 2 and 2 together lol

[eager crag]

I have 2 teams that I want rated so here they are

https://pokepast.es/621d6bc1a8c902ce

https://pokepast.es/aa9d9007c1084bb7

@normal stream