#Smogon Doubles Rates

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torpid moat
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the knock off isn't too useful, it could be encore or taunt or follow me yeah

opaque pulsar
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I got the same questions on ninetales and mora, obv swap one move for meteorbeam on mora

torpid moat
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you'd cut stealth rock in this case

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tales set is fine

loud wren
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brittle spade
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Basculegion-F kinda wants protect

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And you really want ways to beat wellspring

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Which you don't currently have

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So you'd need like a grass move on your own ogerpon

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Or to switch out something

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Some rain teams fit baxcalibur or kyurem to deal with wellspring

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For sun there are other teams on the team bazaar if you're interested

loud wren
torpid moat
brittle spade
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opaque pulsar
edgy brook
brittle spade
opaque pulsar
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sticky web mon?

brittle spade
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with willowisp

brittle spade
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tera steel on hatterene or conkeldurr are also options

old field
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edgy brook
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edgy brook
torpid moat
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I'd say this is a little lacking in attackers, there's too much support of speed control and healing with only ghold as payoff

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torpid moat
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you could try bulk up okidogi in the amoong slot

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and run taunt roaring moon instead of torn

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yeah nonprankster taunt is more valuable

edgy brook
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edgy brook
torpid moat
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you shouldn't need double taunt

edgy brook
old field
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Im probably gonna use roaring moon bc my incin is a more bulky set and will struggle getting a taunt off, and the bulky incin has saved it a lot so I dont want to change it

torpid moat
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Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 152 HP / 104 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Jolly Nature
- Breaking Swipe
- Knock Off
- Tailwind
- Protect
``` run this set with taunt over protect
edgy brook
torpid moat
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also roar is more useful than taunt on incin while still beating tr

old field
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Sweet

edgy brook
torpid moat
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it's like -6, which is still always before trick room's -7

edgy brook
old field
torpid moat
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but yeah I wanna emphasize the lack of attackers again

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that's the bigger issue with the team

edgy brook
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This was like, 2 months ago

old field
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Definitely, aside from gholdengo and rarely ogerpon nothing else gets a lot of kos

torpid moat
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also when you run amoong it should have pollen puff for healing

torpid moat
edgy brook
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torpid moat
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Okidogi @ Leftovers  
Ability: Guard Dog  
Tera Type: Dark  
EVs: 244 HP / 32 Atk / 196 SpD / 36 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Drain Punch  
- Knock Off  
- Bulk Up  
- Protect
old field
torpid moat
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here's a pretty classic bulk up dogi set, considering your team I'd go water tera over dark

old field
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Ok

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And swap flare blitz for roar on incin?

torpid moat
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that shouldn't be necessary, but up to you I guess

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probably over knock off though

old field
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Alright, ive mainly enjoyed the flare blitz against sun teams, dk why but ive gone against a lot of those recently and its been nice to have

torpid moat
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actually now that I look at it roaring moon might not be the best of choices here

old field
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A 3rd dark type might hurt a bit yh

torpid moat
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I'm more used to it on firepon pao builds than incin

edgy brook
torpid moat
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on that comp roaring moon is better

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anyways, try rain dance torn then instead of taunt

edgy brook
torpid moat
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and then roar incin over flare blitz

old field
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So what should I bring for the trick room setters then?

torpid moat
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filler ideally being something with a positive incin matchup like glimmora or dogi

torpid moat
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probably with a bulkier ghold set though with lefties

edgy brook
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torpid moat
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and dragon tera

old field
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What you think for the stat spread?

torpid moat
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you can look these up yourself btw using /analysis gholdengo in any chat box on showdown

old field
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Nice

torpid moat
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the biggest offender is having the araq here on a sun team

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it just doesn't make sense on fullroom

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it could arguably just be a walking wake if you want a water

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I understand wide guard can be useful sometimes but it's not enough utility to justify it

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iron ball torkoal makes no sense, that's a completely wasted item slot while torkoal already underspeeds pretty much everything

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idk what you think the trace foul play p2 is gonna accomplish either, most phys mons resist foul play anyways

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you'd be better off with just download and ice beam + shadow ball or something

old field
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First game this team already feels way stronger, especially the okidogi swap

fresh sparrow
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fresh sparrow
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can y'all rate this team
and give me some pointers and tips on what i could improve on this team

fresh sparrow
torpid moat
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at a glance, you have several bad sets like the weird curse sinistcha and leech seed waterpon, a lot of it is a recipe for losing to gholdengo or okidogi due to being too passive

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you also instantly lose to opposing glimmora, not necessarily even the mortal spin set, just a self-u-turn to guarantee tspikes would completely ruin your whole team

fresh sparrow
torpid moat
fresh sparrow
torpid moat
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it still has hazards and damage mitigation but has a much more efficient gameplan of killing everything once stuff is sufficiently chipped

fresh sparrow
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but i just dont know what a good hazard remover that fit this team

torpid moat
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and it's harder to be set up on because of the offensive pressure

fresh sparrow
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but i def would switch them out

torpid moat
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so the idea is that the majority of doubles teams aren't in it for a truly long game

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all you need to do is grind them down to some point to exhaust limited resources

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but you still need significant parts of your own wincon to be something other than more pure stall

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but the blood moon here doesn't make much sense in that goal because it's so reliant on speed control and doesn't really come with much inevitability either

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that's why sealife's was a priority wincon, after chipping hp a lot the priority becomes much stronger

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you can use other options like scarf last respects basc-f, or bulk up okidogi, or even something more passive like calm mind suicune, but the damage needs to be there to force your opponent to not just setup in your face and kill everything

torpid moat
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so it just bulks up 2-3 times and then outheals all your damage with drain punch

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fresh sparrow
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is it concerning that all my game are more than 15 turn+

torpid moat
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15 is normal

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it's very normal considering the kind of team you're running

fresh sparrow
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o ok

torpid moat
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but I moreso meant that in terms of what the opp's team is adapted for usually

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you're not gonna see many mons running straight up roost or recover

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it's more likely to be like 1 main source of healing like pollen puff amoong or sinistcha that can be exhausted

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on top of some chip or one-time heal like sitrus or lefties or rilla

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amber sparrow
lilac notch
torpid moat
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I'd rather have gengar on like an offense team with mons like chi yu or regidrago plus additional tailwind

torpid moat
old field
torpid moat
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if you want a bulky team with a body press user, maybe try out iron def kommo/sinistcha/incineroar/alolatales/kyurem/moltres galar?

old field
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Past 2 days ive switched from doubles ou to reg F and so far I've been doing well with a different team

torpid moat
# amber sparrow https://pokepast.es/8f4bfea4ce520511 Updated

a lot of these mon choices here are weak or don't make a cohesive teamcomp, it's snow but without any blizzard, veil without any real setup payoff or good bulky attackers to trade, only icy wind speed control, plus again pretty questionable mons in cryogonal, bundle, and blastoise

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where there are faster attackers but lots of good natural bulk to still work well with veil, and also proper tailwind to make kyurem/ghold/okidogi work

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not sure which part of your team you were focusing on, but you can only really try to do 1 "cute " thing without the rest falling apart

torpid moat
# lilac notch https://pokepast.es/487e9f757a5dc22b rate?

this looks pretty reasonable, main changes would be to run cloak tornadus instead of the whims, too many grasses and it's something else for hitting dogi/better vs lando-i, also your ghold seems to be missing hp evs? It can try grassy seed over metal coat as well

fresh sparrow
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fresh sparrow
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someone rate this please

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o yea

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bloon moon isnt supposed to be on there

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it replaced by snarl

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i forgot to put it in

versed knoll
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New to this whole competitive thing so here is my team:

Maushold-Four @ Wide Lens
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Population Bomb
  • Tidy Up
  • Encore
  • Bite

Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Impish Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Rapid Spin
  • Earthquake
  • Close Combat

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Nasty Plot
  • Recover

Kingambit (M) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Kowtow Cleave
  • Sucker Punch
  • Iron Head
  • Swords Dance

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Volt Switch
  • Hydro Pump
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Pain Split

Dragapult (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Draco Meteor
  • Shadow Ball
  • Flamethrower
  • U-turn

I've won a few games with it and just wanted to get some feedback of how I can improve and modify my team to be very great. I have a couple of strategies which I'd be happy to share with anyone reviewing my team.

brittle spade
brittle spade
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doubles uses vastly different sets

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and singles sets don't translate very well

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if anything your dragapult would need to run choice specs and your maushold and gholdengo both desperately need protect

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as it stands you'd be crushed by any sample team

tacit slate
brittle spade
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Especially at 1400 elo

torpid moat
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you can try water tera bax as well, also do icy wind over moonblast on tales

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and consider ice body on bax over thermal

atomic reef
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I started showdown a 2 months ago what do yall think of my all electric team based around surgesurf

Raichu-Alola @ Magnet
Ability: Surge Surfer
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Rising Voltage
  • Protect
  • Surf
  • Psychic

Electabuzz @ Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Ice Punch
  • Follow Me
  • Supercell Slam
  • Light Screen

Tapu Koko @ Terrain Extender
Ability: Electric Surge
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 204 HP / 52 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Electric Terrain
  • Brave Bird
  • Thunderbolt
  • Dazzling Gleam

Magnezone @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Analytic
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Rising Voltage
  • Electric Terrain
  • Flash Cannon
  • Steel Roller

Dracozolt @ Air Balloon
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Dragon Tail
  • Bolt Beak
  • Fire Fang
  • Protect

Lanturn (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 192 SpA / 64 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Rising Voltage
  • Muddy Water
  • Electric Terrain
  • Soak
brittle spade
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And a better water absorb pokemon

atomic reef
brittle spade
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it's still very gimmicky and you should probably drop the whole surf theme

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to fit landorus-i

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raichu should probably be life orb, focus sash or choice specs

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wait dracozolt should be sand rush not volt absorb my mistake

atomic reef
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Ty twināœŒšŸ½šŸ„¹

brittle spade
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Hf

atomic reef
brittle spade
atomic reef
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Usually I donā€™t use more than 2 legendary teir charecters at a time

brittle spade
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You should really just drop surf+water absorb then, volcanion is by far the best user

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Putting arbitrary limits on your team is also going to hold you back a lot if you want to consistently win games

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Volcanion isn't even that good of a pokemon

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Even though it's a legendary

atomic reef
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šŸ«”šŸ«”šŸ«”

azure fiber
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tight spire
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It takes a while to get going

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And often you may want to lead with blood moon

torpid moat
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one thing I'll recommend for sure is to put fire punch on hands over ice punch, you do not want to have any more mons walled by ghold

tight spire
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Oh also the Ursaluna probably wants to run protect over moonlight

torpid moat
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there's already 2 sources of healing yeah

tight spire
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Having it outside of trick room would be awkward otherwise

torpid moat
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something else to mention is that you probably want incineroar here

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a big reason you'd run farig in the first place is to be able to use your own priority

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if you're not going for an indeedee-f comp you may as well have a fake out user

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and incin is the one with the best ghold matchup

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maybe over the torkoal as long as you spread some better offenses across the others

azure fiber
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ibf i was using farig as a secondary setter in case crescelia dies and trick room goes down but thinking about t, yrah indeedee would be better

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and from testing, torkoal has been my second best sweeper

peak crypt
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once you get into Indeedee you generally end up down a very similar path as every other Indeedee TR

torpid moat
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you usually don't want cress + indeedee together either because levitate removes psy terrain benefits

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so you may as well be running hatt or hoopa-u or necrozma in the slot

azure fiber
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well they usually woulnt be out simultaneously

peak crypt
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there just... isn't a better Indeedee comp than Indeedee / Hatterene / Torkoal / Diancie / regular Ursaluna / filler

torpid moat
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and so on

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psy terrain is a lingering effect

azure fiber
peak crypt
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it does more damage and Indeedee TR is inherently a hyper offense team

torpid moat
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and if you're running 2 psychics (huge liability vs ghold and goltres and others) the they may as well have eforce on it

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normal luna has more immediate power with guts facade/headlong

azure fiber
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ok, ill see what i can do with that

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also why diance?

peak crypt
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Diancie is a very consistent damage dealer that can set Trick Room itself and has a very good matchup into a lot of Chien-Pao archetypes

torpid moat
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it's an offensive trick room setter with lots of unique properties like dark resist and snowballing with diamond storm

azure fiber
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ok, so indeedee and diance are on setting duty, what does haterene do?

torpid moat
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also set sometimes

azure fiber
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ok

torpid moat
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and click eforce

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indeedee will often be clicking follow me more often than trick room

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that's the other big draw for it over farig

peak crypt
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here's an example of a standard Indeedee team

azure fiber
peak crypt
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it doesn't need to be super bulky because the objective is for the battle to end before turn 10

torpid moat
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farig and indeedee-f have comparable bulk

azure fiber
torpid moat
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farig is maybe slightly tankier but with less utility

shrewd iron
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Sinistcha is also another option as the second TR setter, but double grass would be awkward so amoongus would have to be replaced and it's just weird then, same thing for diancie putting diancie gives a lot of space to opposing grass and gholdengo, Hoopa-U and Hatterene Indeedee kinda brute force this type overlap problem by playing 3 strong psychics

azure fiber
torpid moat
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it gets hh

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but yeah psychic terrain has lots of tangential benefits over armor tail

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armor tail has its upsides too, but only if you're running levitating mons or priority of your own

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and follow me yes, big factor

azure fiber
torpid moat
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I mean, can you just say what the changes are and your reasoning?

azure fiber
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i gave torkoal solar beam instead of earth power for something to do against water types

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and subbed hoopa for iron hands because i like iron hands better

torpid moat
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the most common water types are waterpon who you hit neutral with fire, and volcanion who's weak to ep anyways

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if you don't run ep then you get walled by many fire resists like incineroar

azure fiber
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ok

torpid moat
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for the hands swap I don't think this accomplishes too much beyond making your lando-i matchup worse and cutting a tr setter

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if you're gonna use it though clear amulet is a lot better

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lo takes away too much from your bulk

azure fiber
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oh i completley forgot amulet tysm

torpid moat
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hands is good for beating stuff like roaring moon and incin, but luna and diancie already do pretty good job of that

versed knoll
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ill edit my team as soon as I get home

fathom wedge
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fathom wedge
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in case stuff goes south Urshifu is for helping with fire types to help tera steel Annihilape/Coaching Maushold

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Talonflame for tailwind

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and I kinda didnt know what to do with the last 2 slots so I went Iron Valiant for a special attacker with Disable and Rayquaza for special attacker and Air Lock

shrewd iron
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You need stronger PokƩmon

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gen9doublesubers is a tier with calyrex, koraidon and miraidon

fathom wedge
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I am open to swap out Rayquaza and Iron Valiant

torpid moat
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also maushold gets beat up, you don't need to burn tera for pop bomb

fathom wedge
torpid moat
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there are better guaranteed tailwind like tornadus

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talon is absolutely not guaranteed because you lose gale wings from priority like espeed arceus

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or from just getting chipped by any source

fathom wedge
torpid moat
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ho-oh or tornadus or an arceus from for tailwind

fathom wedge
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I also mainly wanna swap out Rayquaza since he doesn't fit in at all

torpid moat
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the urshi and honestly the annihilape too are too weak as well

fathom wedge
torpid moat
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the format is very high-powered, you just can't compete against the likes of koraidon and miraidon and ice rider and shadow rider in terms of damage

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yes

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it's slow and comparatively frail

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and its main damage gets very weakened by koraidon's existence

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only certain support mons or niche trick room attackers are worth using non-box-legends for

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like incineroar and indeedee-f and amoonguss and rillaboom for their defensive roles, or tornadus or whimsicott for speed control

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if you're trying to do damage with nonlegendary not named ursaluna, you're probably doing something wrong

lilac notch
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peak crypt
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Lilligantā€™s usual use on Sun teams is After You

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You present the triple threat of strong attacks from Lilligant, potential Sleep Powder, and turbo speed Torkoal Eruption

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I would definitely swap out Poison Jab for After You and run Tera Ghost rather than Fire

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Typhlosion kind of sucks but could probably be Specs instead of Charcoal

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I also donā€™t know if Incin is really the play on an aggressive Sun teamā€”Iā€™d personally rather run something like AV Raging Bolt in that slot

lilac notch
peak crypt
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Assault Vest

lilac notch
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seemed neat coverage

peak crypt
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Lilligantā€™s Attack stat isnā€™t all that high and Poison Jab is relatively weak

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And the most relevant Fairy in the format, Diancie, is weak to Grass anyway

lilac notch
lilac notch
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also would be nice against opposing ogerpons

peak crypt
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Thatā€™s also weak to Grass!

lilac notch
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since i outspeed them in sun

peak crypt
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STAB Close Combat does more to Ogerpon than Jab anyway

lilac notch
peak crypt
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120*1.5 vs 80*2

lilac notch
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being stuck on 1 attack sometimes suckss lowk šŸ˜­

torpid moat
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if you want to switch attacks you just use a different mon like chi yu or firepon with better all-around stats/utility

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typhlosion's only niche is going all-in on eruption

late cloak
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late cloak
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double life orb is kinda iffy but eh

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originally had raging bolt in place of chien pao but i did NOT want to fall victim to rillaboom

rose juniper
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I got a tournament set in 5 min so I wont be the one to rate this team however I can already tell you that sadly rain is not good this meta

late cloak
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ah

rose juniper
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you got good pokemon

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but rain is just not easy to pull off

peak crypt
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Solo Indeedee without any Psychic partners isnā€™t a recipe for success either

late cloak
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fair enough

peak crypt
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Hugoā€™s right though, rain has been pretty poor since the bans of Basculegion and (especially) Archaludon

late cloak
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was really there just for follow me and screwing over rillaboom

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was considering making a dubers team but i like pelipper

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or well a reg i team

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because why not take the full step

peak crypt
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Primarina also generally doesnā€™t see play on rain, it tends to find itself more on bulky semi-TR structures alongside PokĆ©mon like Sinistcha and Iron Hands

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If Rillaboom is a concern, adding a Tornadus or the Raging Bolt you considered could help

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Ogerpon also gets Follow Me (and Synthesis in rain really stinks)

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Gholdengo is also a strong choice because it has a pretty good matchup into the Ice types found on snow, which is one of the biggest threats to rain

slow ibex
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slow ibex
verbal anchor
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peak crypt
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this team is pretty messy

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You have two priority users and Indeedee, which will stop your priority users from using their priority moves

verbal anchor
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yeah I noticed in the early days I had the propensity to step on my toes

peak crypt
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You donā€™t really have anything to take advantage of screens with besides attackersā€”usually screens accompany setup sweepers like Gholdengo or Galarian Moltres

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Indeedee-M and Scizor are also just not very good PokƩmon

verbal anchor
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I noticed at my lower elo that since a lot of people run either really fast or really slow teams, my middling-slow pokemon benefited more from after you than follow me

peak crypt
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You donā€™t really want an Indeedee here at all

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If I had to just pick two random swaps Iā€™d probably say run Nasty Plot Gholdengo and a Tailwind setter (probably Roaring Moon here) rather than Indeedee and Scizor

verbal anchor
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my poor cool bug mon

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fair

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should I consider a rain setter to help my landorus

peak crypt
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Nah

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Iā€™d probably swap Lando to the standard set (Protect / Earth Power / Sludge Bomb / Sandsear Storm or Taunt or Sub)

verbal anchor
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who do I lose in matchups without the ability to boost my spA

peak crypt
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Lando is a little too frail with too few strong resistances to really set up

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If you add Gholdengo you still have a (much better!) setup attacker

verbal anchor
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ig ou really does mean overused lmao

peak crypt
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and Landorus can do its more standard job of just threatening big damage every time it comes in

verbal anchor
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alright

peak crypt
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The Iron Hands could also become an Okidogiā€”that PokĆ©mon has been seeing a lot of play on Crown teams because it has a really strong Incineroar matchup

final kestrel
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Question. Would sand *currently work well with crown. I believe I saw a sample before.

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Scratch that. I think crown is better of going with the regidrago route.

peak crypt
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Indeedee-F / Iron Crown / TTar / Ogerpon of your choice / Tailwind setter / X has been a pretty consistent structure

polar lotus
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Hey guys... I've been wondering if I could use a team in DOU starring Meowscarada!! It's my favourite Pokemon, ik it's doing good in Singles, but I never really saw it into play in any doubles?

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Are there any DOU teams samples with Meowscarada?

peak crypt
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Meowscarada is very weak in DOU and there are no sample teams using it

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while Flower Trick beating Intimidate is cool, Meowscarada still loses to Incineroar, and there's very little Meow can do that Chien-Pao or Ogerpon can't do better. the format is also largely prepared for Grass and Dark types because Pokemon like Pao, Incin, Ogerpon, Rillaboom, and Roaring Moon are all over the place

oak spindle
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak crypt
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how attached are you to actually keeping Dancer gimmick on the team

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it is not very good but I know it's one of those things that gets people excited so I need to ask

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there's a lot of other things to address, but those come after that answer

oak spindle
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if u have any idea i will accept it

oak spindle
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jaja dopamine

peak crypt
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Ribombee is decent if you're using Shield Dust and a speed control move, and terrible at everything else

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Facade and Protect are arguably the two most important moves on Ursaluna and you forgot both! Protect is important for getting the free turn to get burned, and Facade just does a billion damage

oak spindle
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ohh

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k i see

peak crypt
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Amoonguss isn't there to be a damage dealer so you really never bother investing in Special Attack

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Primarina I basically just took Icy Wind off because it's too slow to make effective use of the move; it also has enough Speed to outrun everything up to Tornadus when you have Tailwind up

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Volcarona will outrun Speed Booster Roaring Moon at +2 (or in Tailwind)

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but if you want, you can just make it Timid so you can move before Oricorio moves

oak spindle
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hhm could be

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but usually i should start ursaluna and cresselia?

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or volcarona and oricorio?

peak crypt
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you should be adapting your leads for your opponent's team, rather than trying to jam a specific duo every time

oak spindle
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ok

peak crypt
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if your opponent has Incineroar, you don't want to lead Ursaluna; you might want to consider something like Oricorio + Primarina

oak spindle
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why oricorio when the opponent have incineroar?

peak crypt
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you can double Protect against Incin's Fake Out and then you threaten Tailwind + Hyper Voice to smack the Incineroar

oak spindle
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ohh ok

peak crypt
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you should always think about what your opponent is capable of when you're playing your games

oak spindle
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k thx

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i will try it if i have another question i will text

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here

normal aurora
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Oh hi there havent seen much from this place in a while

oak spindle
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hi

oak spindle
peak crypt
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I wish

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I have just been building and playing for a long time and have enough experience to help steer people in the right direction

normal aurora
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I mean you helped me when I was new to doubles

oak spindle
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omg i never seen this tactic

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artic can u check my opponent team

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its interesting

normal aurora
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seeing riolu on a team gives me flashbacks to that prankster riolu in gen 5 ou that had +1 priority roar using copycat

peak crypt
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against teams like this where all of their Pokemon kind of suck, you can consider leading with Amoonguss and just Sporing everything in sight

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you can also drop Protect for Clear Smog if you want a consistent answer to these sorts of teams

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rancid elm
brittle spade
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You're taking too long to set up your combo and the payoff is too weak

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I'd advise you to have a look at the viability rankings in the pinned links in this channel

eternal bloom
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Here is my team for reg f:
Big Boss (Weezing-Galar) (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Neutralizing Gas
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 164 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Taunt
  • Strange Steam
  • Haze

Bad Kitty (Incineroar) (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Parting Shot
  • Fake Out
  • Flare Blitz
  • Knock Off

Lil Tim (Regigigas) @ Leftovers
Ability: Slow Start
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Protect
  • High Horsepower
  • Double-Edge
  • Drain Punch

Evil Larry (Tornadus) (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 124 HP / 12 Def / 4 SpA / 116 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Bleakwind Storm
  • Tailwind
  • Taunt
  • Icy Wind

Quiet Bob (Flutter Mane) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Hyper Voice
  • Shadow Ball
  • Mystical Fire
  • Dazzling Gleam

Johnny (Rillaboom) (M) @ Ability Shield
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 188 HP / 196 Atk / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Grassy Glide
  • High Horsepower
  • Fake Out
  • U-turn
    (Is it good?)
torpid moat
true vale
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

true vale
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this is me returning to showdown after like three or four years, but I used to be leaderboard in a few categories, I'm only new to doubles and unfamiliar with the current meta

peak crypt
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Lando-T is washed and Dragonite generally doesn't show up without Chien-Pao on the team, but Moon Gho Hands Incin is a pretty solid base

true vale
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I pushed up to 1470 with no trouble, but I'm looking for any advice on the current meta with this?

true vale
peak crypt
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Chien-Pao's Sword of Ruin increases the damage from Dragonite's Extreme Speed

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so you just slam Tera Normal and kill your opponent with super strong priority moves

true vale
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also i took lando t bc it's a second intimidate (it was funny) and spd tank, any ideas what to replace it with then

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i find the pivot and tankiness useful, so probably a similar spd build

true vale
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sash chien pao?

peak crypt
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Iron Hands is already going to do a good job at that

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I'd actually recommend you swap to Wellspring Ogerpon and Landorus-I

true vale
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interesting, i was using wellspring ogerpon at first over dragonite but didnt find much use in it

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ill def consider tho, also lando makes a lot of sense

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thanks!

peak crypt
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the "short" version is

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click Follow Me and Nasty Plot in the same turn

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the long version is Wellspring does a really good job of bridging support and offensive pressure

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it's a valid damage threat that can also protect a partner on a key turn

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it is also one of the better physical attackers against Incineroar

true vale
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that makes sense, ive seen ppl using matcha rage powder so its good to know ogerpon has similar

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incin is true too, i've been using lando and iron hands as a check so far but it is rly common so that will help a ton

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I think i'll try both dnite chien and w oger lando i

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I appreciate it!

cold magnet
peak crypt
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Archaludon is banned from SV DOU

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if this is for natdex DOU (and I mean I guess it is given the Swampertite?) I'm not sure it's any good anyway, but I have not played and will never play a single game of natdex

brittle thorn
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can yall rate my duu team pls ive never played duu before and this is a weather team i made

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i thought of a cool tech where a mon switches to change the weather and the other clicks weather ball

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tera types are probably gonna get changed because its all weak to fire

brittle spade
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Or like choice specs/scarf politoed and eject pack ninetales with overheat

brittle thorn
gritty heron
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ima need some help for DOU, it is not my team but have been using it recently https://pokepast.es/8c9fccc0fd615a5d
Kingambit is not doing quite damage, obviusly sucker punch is great but idk if there is any alternative for him.

Ogerpon and RMoon support is very very good, paired with pecharunt some turns the opponent can't do anything bc of breaking swipe, taunt, and consuion bc of pecharunt.

Lando works fine againts iron hands and steel types and raging bolt

but rlly, i need something that covers (idk if the type of the attacks like iron head and kowtow cleave)what kingambit can do but better at least for doubles.

halcyon pantherBOT
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torpid moat
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just be careful of ghold

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potentially you run horsepower on the rilla over wood hammer, or you go firepon over waterpon

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if that were the case you'd probably also give rmoon taunt while keeping spiky on ogerpon

gritty heron
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rilla with knock off is going to be what carrys my team

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ty

torpid moat
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horsepower is better than knock, lets you hit incin somewhat as well

gritty heron
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but what can i do with ghost types besides gholdengo

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ive been seeing a LOT of sinistcha

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and also, lando is on the team

peak crypt
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and CM Raging Bolt will eventually beat basically every Ghost anyway

torpid moat
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yeah pecha dunks on sinistcha comps

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ghold is the much bigger worry

opaque pulsar
torpid moat
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you also aren't particularly wanting for heavy speed control between tales and scarf lando

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imo, you can try nasty plot moltres-galar + bulk okidogi (still intim immune) over the murkrow and gambit

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but yeah on a different comp that cared more about twind I'd run torn or roaring moon

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you can also try tailwind goltres if you want

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which would be not as reliable of a tw setter but usable if necessary

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fiery wrath/nasty plot, and then any 2 of air slash, tailwind, protect

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you also probably wanna give your tales max hp instead of max spa, otherwise you're pretty liable to getting killed by certain mons like firepon

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also also incineroar is an option in the dogi slot if you want to lean more defensive

opaque pulsar
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Thanks for the tips! (besides the incineroar one)

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I still refuse to use that bum

torpid moat
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firepon?

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one of hail's biggest concerns is ghold so anything to improve the matchup is valuable

opaque pulsar
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I'm honestly surprised I havent seen much of gholdengo

torpid moat
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another one is diancie though, so waterpon is still fine

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actually looking again, you'd want flash cannon kyurem here over draco

opaque pulsar
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what items would I be playingg on goltres and dogi?

torpid moat
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probably sitrus goltres, lefties dogi

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though covert cloak is an option on dogi

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for fake out and breaking swipe

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Okidogi @ Leftovers  
Ability: Guard Dog  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 208 HP / 76 Atk / 40 Def / 68 SpD / 116 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Protect  
- Drain Punch  
- Knock Off 
- Bulk Up
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here's a baseline dogi, can choose horsepower + gunk shot over protect knock if you want 3 attacks cloak

opaque pulsar
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im gonna test this team out, ill tell you how it goes

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I got absolutely fried by a trick room team, are these EVs really the play on dogi?

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I feel like I'd benefit more from a slower dogi just in case

torpid moat
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cutting speed wouldn't hurt too much, those were tailwind evs

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you're running fat goltres right

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with a good defensive tera like water steel or poison?

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because goltres + veil is really good against non diancie room

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though if you wanna really hate on tr, try np dragon tera ghold in dogi slot

opaque pulsar
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Moltres-Galar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Berserk
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Air Slash
  • Fiery Wrath
  • Protect
  • Nasty Plot

this is what I have with a tera water dogi

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I'm not the best in doing EVs on my own so i usually just do what the guessed spread is

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could I just slap those 116 points from speed into atk?

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for goltres should I go tera poison with most/all of its spatk into spd?

torpid moat
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for dogi max out hp, then sure dump the rest in attack

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for goltres try a set like this then

Moltres-Galar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Berserk  
Tera Type: Steel  
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 116 SpA / 16 SpD / 64 Spe  
Calm Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Fiery Wrath  
- Air Slash  
- Nasty Plot  
- Protect
polar lotus
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Are Armarouge Expanding Force teams still viable? I always wanted to use one but never really made, cuz there are so many interesting pokemon to pair it with and I get confused each time hehe āœ§ā \ā (ā >ā oā <ā )ā ļ¾‰ā āœ§
With, Indeedee and Hatterene ofcourse, and should I add an Ogerpon (idk which mask) and Sucker Punch Kingambit... And I thought girafrig would be good (but so many Psychic types might be scary to carry around hehe)

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Is there any sample team with the best results regarding that?

peak crypt
polar lotus
polar lotus
peak crypt
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This is the replays and usage stats from the recent DOU Invitational - the year's capstone tournament: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/2025-doubles-invitationals-replays-usage-stats.3778095/

Smogon Forums
Resource - 2025 Doubles Invitationals - Replays & Usage Stats

Art by GenOne

Top 16

(1) bagel vs Actuarily (16)
:Kingambit: :Landorus: :Ogerpon-Hearthflame: :Sneasler: :Ninetales-Alola: :Kyurem: vs :Roaring Moon: :Okidogi: :Incineroar: :Sinistcha: :Baxcalibur: :Landorus:
:Moltres-Galar: :Landorus: :Incineroar: :Amoonguss: :Diancie: :Ogerpon-Wellspring: vs...

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we generally do stats for all of our big tournaments, which can be found in the DOU forum (or in the OSDT subforum for that one)

shrewd iron
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Like sample teams, viability rankings

peak crypt
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^

polar lotus
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Ooohh!! Thanks a lot, I'll make sure to keep tabs on these sites for info ^^

polar lotus
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I wanted to be better at VGC...
So I took up DOU to learn double battles better (though I'm kinda still struggling to keep up haha..) should I start from Singles OU to learn everything from basics?

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Ik there's vast differences in each format, so can I still learn everything about VGC if I start from here? There aren't many guides on DOU formats too, mostly it's VGC or either OU singles (ā Ā ā ļ¼›ā āˆ€ā ļ¼›ā )

peak crypt
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if you want to learn VGC you shouldn't start with DOU, you should start with VGC

shrewd iron
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There's no easy guide anyway though

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You can watch a couple YouTube videos but to get good you need to play

polar lotus
polar lotus
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But, that's the way to go!! I would play as many matches I can and could see different kinds of movesets, item combos and strats... I shouldn't worry about my elo and losses if I want to git good ^^

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Is there a VGC Rates or some VGC related server here?!

torpid moat
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yes

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vgc rates and a vgc discord

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also, your elo is just a measure of your current performance, it's not actually worth anything

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the goal is to become good enough that reaching higher elos becomes trivial

halcyon pantherBOT
torpid moat
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link to the smogon discord list, which includes vgc and dou

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@polar lotus

polar lotus
# torpid moat <@456226577798135808>

Thanks so much for the channels and the links ^^ I already joined them, I'll get back to testing teams in a few days!! Thanks a lot for your help and advice everyone Uā ^ā ļ½Ŗā ^ā U I'm really grateful

spice bloom
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Hey Yall I was trying to make a tanky stall situation but in practice there have been weaknesses

Wo-chien gets one shot
I'm really weak to ghost moves
I'm really weak to electric moves

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles UU RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

spice bloom
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I also don't know who to start with

torpid moat
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it's more about damage mitigation, stopping setup, and forcing switches than trying to straight up wall 2 mon's full damage output

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I'd say decent "stall" options in duu include pex, wo chien, garganacl, dondozo, scrafty, hisui goodra

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but with different movesets than what you're going for rn

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scraft gets damage mitigation with fake out intim knock and dragon tail

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garg is passive damage with salt cure to force switches as well, plus status condition immunity

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dozo gets unaware plus roar or yawn

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goodra is high bulk with dtail

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there's also body press options on a few of the listed mons

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but recovery is fairly sparse

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maybe you look into additional healing from mew or hydrapple or something

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but again, a bulkier team with setup or speed control is significantly easier to make happen than true stall

fervent coral
halcyon pantherBOT
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fervent coral
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mainly playing this in natdex because idk what other format this would be viable in XD

torpid moat
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so non natdex

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which is a lower power format so it'd be more competitive there

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you'd probably want to replace clefairy with indeedee-f

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because it has follow me and trick room, as well as psychic terrain to support expanding force on hatt

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prima also wants liquid voice + hyper voice instead of surf so you don't hit allies

dim fern
fervent coral
peak crypt
spice bloom
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does anyone know a good check I could swap for azumarill

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I keep running into hisuian typhlosion and it's wrecking me

brittle spade
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You're better off just running assault vest azumarill

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You don't have the support for belly drum on this team

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Heatran is also a good answer to typhlosion

brittle spade
fervent coral
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how busted is sunny day ninetails with flash burn typhlosion in natdex

torpid moat
halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @sly fern, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexdoubles team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

final kestrel
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You should post this on the vgc. This is smogon doubles stuff; different metagames.

edgy brook
red pine
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

torpid moat
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in dubers you can use an unlimited number of ubers, so anything from mirai korai shadow rider arceus etc

red pine
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oh

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ok

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what channel is that?

torpid moat
old dock
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(dou) maybe we could sit down and enjoy the raw tatsu rain team togetheršŸ˜­

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Wait

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I levelled up ogern

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Oh wait I forgot to give them good tera types

limpid viper
limpid viper
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And the electric seed in Miraidon offers more resistance in this same

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Iron Valiant with Coaching is to accompany Calyrex Ice Ryder o Ogerpon

peak crypt
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both of you should scroll down to the bottom of the teambuilder and hit one of these buttons

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@old dock @limpid viper

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having a separate URL makes it easy for us to reference a team as we're talking with you or working in our own teambuilders, and using pokepaste or Showdown's database is better for security reasons

limpid viper
peak crypt
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there are a couple things here that kind of contradict themselves

limpid viper
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Can you help me now? :3

peak crypt
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like Weakness Policy and Water Spout on Kyogre, and Electric Seed and Volt Switch on Miraidon

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if you trigger Weakness Policy on Kyogre you probably can't use Water Spout any more, and if you Volt Switch with Miraidon you lose your Seed boost

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the only other major complaint I have is Kingambit just sucks

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I would never consider using that guy in DUbers just because it can't hang with the big guys

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for a bit more of a list:

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  • with Miraidon on the team, Valiant doesn't really need Booster Energy - you can run Focus Sash without much trouble. Sash lets you fire Moonblasts at opposing Miraidon or Aura Spheres at Arceus without immediately dying for it. I'd also consider swapping Calm Mind out entirely with a move that helps you answer Calyrex-Shadow - Wide Guard, Knock Off, and even Icy Wind or Encore would be much better choices. You can also consider Close Combat over Aura Sphere for a better hit on Arceus and Kyogre
  • if you like Icy Wind Kyogre, I'd consider just swapping entirely to Assault Vest and going full chonk. The Weakness Policy is cute, but slower Kyogres have a habit of just dying before they deal damage. Consider running max HP / max SpA with a Modest nature.
  • on the note of slow Kyogre: Trick Room is always always going to be better than Trailblaze on Calyrex-Ice. It's incredibly strong against Tailwind and the myriad of super-fast Pokemon in DUbers, and you can even use Trick Room with your Calyrex to undo your opponent's Trick Room. I'd also strongly consider max Attack Brave rather than your current spread; Calyrex-Ice is so bulky that you don't really need to invest further most of the time.
  • This Ogerpon set doesn't really take advantage of what Ogerpon does best: provide offensive support and protection for its allies with Follow Me. I'd actually consider swapping to a Cornerstone Ogerpon, as Sturdy does what Focus Sash does but even better. The standard set is Spiky Shield / Ivy Cudgel / Follow Me / your choice of a Grass move, Superpower, or another support move like Encore or Taunt, with max Attack and max Speed.
  • I'd recommend either swapping Volt Switch on Miraidon for a different attack (Electroweb, Dazzling Gleam, and Draco Meteor are all decent here) or making it Choice Specs.
  • Kingambit stinks, but I'm running out of space. Next message!
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This is a format where Arceus is legal, and your team currently does not have an Arceus, so I'd recommend you just replace Kingambit with that. The classic "Ekiller" Arceus - Swords Dance / Extreme Speed / coverage move / Protect - will play well here, especially with Coaching from the Iron Valiant, but you could also run a supportive Arceus-Dark or even a Calm Mind set with Fairy or Ground.

limpid viper
peak crypt
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a lot of the time DUbers is just about stats

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you need to be able to answer stuff like Calyrex, Koraidon, Miraidon, and Arceus all the time

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and the best way to do that is usually by presenting your own threats

limpid viper
peak crypt
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Focus Sash will more often result in a +1/+1 Calyrex and a living Iron Valiant, that can still use a move like Wide Guard on the following turn

limpid viper
peak crypt
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or can be switched out to use Coaching later, when you have terrain up

limpid viper
peak crypt
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go on

limpid viper
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I used to use Urshifu Water instead of Ogerpon, was it a mistake to change it?

peak crypt
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no, I don't think Urshifu is worth using on most teams in DUbers

limpid viper
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Kyogre+Urshifu+Rain

peak crypt
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I think it only fits on teams running Tornadus alongside Kyogre

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otherwise it's just too slow and it explodes

limpid viper
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Ahhh

limpid viper
peak crypt
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I very honestly would not bother using a Dark-type there because none of them have the stats you need

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if you really want a Dark type, I'd consider cutting Valiant or Ogerpon for a Grimmsnarl, and running another busted legendary like Arceus or Zamazenta-C in its place

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Chien-Pao is quite good next to Swords Dance Arceus too

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but that would require you find a spot for both Chien-Pao and Arceus

limpid viper
limpid viper
peak crypt
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I would never use Moltres-G in this format

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I'm not bringing a bird to Miraidon land

sly orbit
halcyon pantherBOT
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sly orbit
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Yes ik toxtricity is mid, but thats why im playing DOU, only format i might get to use him

tight spire
# sly orbit https://pokepast.es/f8e3679a1828f02a

regardless of how you think the DOU ladder, Toxtricity is still woefully outclassed by Raging Bolt in every conceivable manner

The Life Orb Ting Lu I'm not a fan of, I don't really see it as being able to actually do muchd damage over an Ursaluna (and in fact you're weakining your 2 other Special Attacker sweepers with its presence)

Primarina is ok but its gotta do some set up before it can get running and while that works with sinistcha and rilla I don't think you really have the means of doing much initial damage in Trick Room outside of relying on the goober toxtricity and maybe ting lu

sly orbit
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and should i just not bother with trick room at all? or

tight spire
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it's fine to trick room so long as you have actual means of using it (or in the case of sinistcha, the pokemon outside are strong enough that they can rely on its healing more so than trick room itself which is just support atp)

sly orbit
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wdym

tight spire
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the main 3 you got so far are not strong enough to justify a full trick room basically

sly orbit
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im still very new. my only knowledge is having watched like every wolfey video and like playing the games ofc

tight spire
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wolfey just plays VGC which is very different to DOU but generally

sly orbit
tight spire
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a Full Trick Room team usually is gonna very hard into super hard hitting stuff

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like ursaluna torkoal and psyspam etc

sly orbit
tight spire
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with rillaboom + incineroar those can fit anywhere but you can always go semi-room (a fast pokemon in addition to your trick room team)

sly orbit
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who would i replace for fast?

tight spire
sly orbit
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other than ting lu i like my team quite a bit. they all feel good. but then again i only have played maybe 30 games with it

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im also so glad i tried sinistcha i love it

tight spire
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sinistcha is a good mon

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The thing is if u have like Raging Bolt over like toxtricity

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you wouldn't need to rely on a faster pokemon as much

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because of its thunder clap

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and bolt pairs very well with sinistcha

sly orbit
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but tox my favorite so i keep :]

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well second favorite. my favorite is lunala but not legal

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but once champions come out ill play that and take it more seriously prob

tight spire
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well if we're relying on toxtricity atp you might as well just go choice specs tera normal boomburst or something on that level to do some blind trick room damage

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but outsidde of that you could maybe get an ogerpon-wellspring as one potential semiroom pokemon (swap over primarina or even rilla)

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or over rilla maybe thinking more on it

sly orbit
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cause having sludge bomb is really really nice

tight spire
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i can't really say, if you were running boomburst you would want to be choice specs

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so you can get immediate TR damge out

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bc the throat spray is a turn waste

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you need to get going asap damage wise

old dock
celest ember
limpid viper
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I have a BIG problem

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And that problem has a name and surname.

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Calyrex Shadow Ryder

torpid moat
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zama is one of the better answers to shadow rider out there

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the original team just has too many cute mons that aren't strong dubers

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and that lack of bulk/power is what's making you lose to shadow rider

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even neutral matchup mons like ho oh and koraidon will have a much better time vs shadow rider than the likes of waterpon and valiant

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @woeful topaz, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

brittle spade
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Pick one mon to keep and we can help you build around him

sly fern
echo lynx
halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @echo lynx, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9pokebilitiesaaa. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

echo lynx
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pokeaaa doubles

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oh rip

terse mason
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Rate my team
Shining diamond (Diancie) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Diamond Storm
  • Body Press
  • Gyro Ball
  • Tera Blast

Dirty bubble (Reuniclus) (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Recover
  • Shadow Ball
  • Psychic
  • Trick Room

Leaf lady (Lurantis) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Superpower
  • Tera Blast
  • Leaf Blade
  • Protect

Winnie the pooh (Ursaluna) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Facade
  • Headlong Rush
  • Drain Punch
  • Protect

Wicked witch (Hatterene) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick Room
  • Mystical Fire
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Psychic

#1 wolfe fan (Incineroar) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Fake Out
  • Parting Shot
  • Knock Off
  • Flare Blitz
tepid ether
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Team aroubd minior white herb, any suggestions?

mety (Minior-Violet) @ White Herb
Ability: Shields Down
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 40 Def / 40 SpD / 152 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Acrobatics
  • Earthquake
  • Light Screen
  • U-turn

flop (Gastrodon-East) @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 84 HP / 236 Atk / 96 Def / 92 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Surf
  • Stealth Rock
  • Chilling Water
  • Earth Power

mega flygon (Latias) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 32 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 12 SpD / 184 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Tailwind
  • Draco Meteor
  • Psychic
  • Air Slash

[AU]en (Iron Valiant) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 Atk / 12 Def / 20 SpD / 224 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Spirit Break
  • Close Combat
  • Knock Off
  • Swords Dance

scovillian2 (Ogerpon-Hearthflame) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Atk / 64 Def / 40 SpD / 148 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Horn Leech
  • Follow Me
  • Leech Seed

thinking... (Kingambit) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 72 HP / 224 Atk / 72 Def / 124 SpD / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Kowtow Cleave
  • Iron Head
  • Swords Dance
  • Iron Defense
torpid moat
# echo lynx pokeaaa doubles

hey, I don't think anyone actually plays this format, but I'll tell you that trying to go all-in on this kind of discharge/plus/minus gimmick usually is just never worth it

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you'll inevitably end up with an unbalanced team that gets hosed by some amount of ground types and offensive pressure or setup threat

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you're usually better off just using generically powerful attackers and support mons that are flexible

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I'm not familiar with what's actually good in the format but I'd imagine something like guts contrary (or defiant) ursaluna paired with a strong trick room setter like sinistcha or bronzong would be far more effective

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or tailwind prankster aerilate defiant tornadus next to some other strong attackers like download adaptability porygonz

torpid moat
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you should also run indeedee-f instead of reuniclus, psychic terrain blocks fake out for the whole team as it's a priority attack, and it provides follow me and lets hatt use expanding force

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don't be concerned about your own fake out on incin, you'll find it's still really valuable to have both options available

torpid moat
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if you want to build around a fast setup attacker, maybe try quiver dance volcarona?

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or if you really really want acrobatics, tera flying booster energy roaring moon

tepid ether
tepid ether
lunar vessel
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What do yall think ab running pelipper and alolan ninetales at the same time in a team? Kinda iffy right?
I was thinking of a team with kommium, ninetales alola for aurora veil and pelipper to avoid hail damage

As for the other three ehhhh i'm thinking about it. I guess some pokemon that don't really mind weather/benefit from both could work but idk if there is such pokemon lol

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I'm just trying to think of smth original for a usum ou doubles team since last time i already ran rain and i wanna swap things around

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For the record, last time i played usum doubles i ran rain+mega scizor

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Pls ping me on reply btw

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Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

  • Rock Slide
  • Iron Head
  • Clanging Scales
  • Drain Punch

Ninetales-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Aurora Veil
  • Blizzard
  • Encore
  • Toxic

Pelipper @ Wacan Berry
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Hurricane
  • Scald
  • Tailwind
  • Wide Guard

i had these builds on mind as of rn

echo lynx
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also funny lightning rod go brrrr

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ive noticed that doubles has fewer ground types

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lando-i might be there but glisc tusk treads are for sure unemployed

torpid moat
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what about exca though

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it'd be far stronger in pokebilities

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I think you're trying to match up a pokebilities aaa team against regular dou

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you're putting a lot of effort in and losing variety for a conditional 1.5x spa boost, when there will be far stronger strategies available

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dragons and grasses will be plentiful too

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if you're gonna gimmick like that at least pick something with stronger mons like some sun team

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with chlorophyll eruption or lava plume or whatever

torpid moat
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one, overcoat ignores hail damage already, two, snow in gen 9doesn't deal damage, it raises ice type def, three, pelipper is a really bad mon and only worth using if there's significantly powerful swift swim and similar options

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if you're actually playing gen 7 dou, you'd be much better off just running tapu bulu for terrain heal + killing fini

lunar vessel
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and then i slapped kartana as someone who can benefit from rain and at the same time punish ice enemies

torpid moat
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you're really really focusing too much on the hail chip

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it's mostly irrelevant

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it's the same principle on sand teams, it breaks sashes and does little else

lunar vessel
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esp in doubles where you could get a double up and die quickly anyways

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right?

torpid moat
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yes

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just checking, you're playing sm doubles ou, right?

lunar vessel
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ye

torpid moat
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if you wanna build kommo snow, I'd do something like tales, kommo, bulu, mega metagross to start with

lunar vessel
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i'm honestly just thinking random ideas because i'm participating in the same tournament a second time and i don't wanna repeat rain

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but i'm too rain pilled so i'm kinda out of ideas

torpid moat
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by far the most important thing to consider is tapu fini's existence

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you need multiple answers to it, plus a different terrain like grassy to cancel misty

lunar vessel
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hmmm true

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maybe lele to shut fake out down

torpid moat
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unnecessary, just go with bulu

lunar vessel
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okkk

torpid moat
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you would also probably take nihilego or zygarde to help with fires/incin

lunar vessel
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it counters her better since it's grass type too

lunar vessel
torpid moat
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you're not playing sm doubles ou then

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zard y is still a significant issue though

lunar vessel
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like it's sm doubles ou but you can't run accuracy items, only one ub, intimidate incineroar specifically banned

torpid moat
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you'd probably want both zeraora and zygarde or nihi then

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very much so leaning towards zyg if incin doesn't exist though

lunar vessel
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why so? to me sounds like zygarde has a good matchup against incineroar

torpid moat
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intimidate + fake out is still a big hindrance for both dd and cb zyg

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veil dd zyg would go crazy

lunar vessel
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hmmm makes sense

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what are dd and cb?

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dog and snake?

torpid moat
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dragon dance and choice band

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use only 50% zygarde (the snake)

marble mica
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my friend justifiedropkick sent me this pokepaste after i asked for a doubles sun team, but idk how to play it, any pointers? He said it was used in a reigonals game, so I think its good enough to not change, I just want to know how I should generally play it. https://pokepast.es/53aeb017f77dc3c1

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peak crypt
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that team was built for VGC Regulation H

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that format did not have any legendary or paradox Pokemon

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I would under no circumstance recommend you try to play this team in DOU

marble mica
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oh ok, so i should add iron hands and other mons?

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alr, thx

peak crypt
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the most play sun really sees in DOU is on full Trick Room

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and those aren't really sun teams, Torkoal's Eruption just does a lot of damage

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you can build sun, it has a lot of cool pieces like Hearthflame Ogerpon and Raging Bolt, but the only weather that sees consistent success is snow

terse mason
terse mason
torpid moat
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please read the whole chat before posting

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and if you can't help then you could just not post at all

lunar vessel
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zygarde, bulu and ninetales we already discussed them
i thought milotic could fit because both zygarde and bulu are physical, and then volcarona because a grass-fire-water core is always good to have
finally eviolite scraggy is just because intimidate+fake out is this good
the only issue i'm seeing rn is that i can't really punish fairy offensively since volcarona resisting might not be enough and i overall see a big bunch of gaps (especially since 5 out of 6 of my pokemon have a x4 weakness and i really only have properly covered 3 of them (i don't have a proper fairy/poison counter)
that kinda points to needing a steel type instead of scraggy, right? maybe mega metagross or mega mawile since metagross has stab against x4 poison or mawile at least gets zen headbutt iirc idk

torpid moat
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the entire thing was supposed to be built around kommo right?

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also there are various set issues here, but the biggest seems like you're not aware of the importance of protect in doubles

lunar vessel
lunar vessel
torpid moat
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I think I laid out almost the whole team already

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tales, kommo, bulu, zeraora, zygarde, mega metagross?

dim fern
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Rate my team?

lunar vessel
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don't they overlap a lot?

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wait since kommo-o uses kommium he must run spatk set so it's a bulky-ish special attacker while zygarde runs physical right? at least from what i saw in the smogon doubles strat

torpid moat
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they barely overlap

torpid moat
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thousand arrows/espeed/dd/protect

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kommo you do clang/flamethrower/sub/protect

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give zeraora assault vest, light clay tales, everyone else can have mago berry

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ah, assault vest bulu as well

lunar vessel
torpid moat
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it's just generally useful for pressure, sub + protect because kommo can be a massive target

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you can try like poison jab instead for killing fairies

worldly quail
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can anyone help me make a team? my friends wanna do a pokemon battle with random pokemon... this is who i got

Cloyster
Scrafty
Kingambit
Indeedee
Houndstone
Reuniclus

marble mica
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marble mica
final kestrel
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worm and more so ursa dont really belong there; they require trick room to bring out the best out of them. For volcarona, you'd want support whether that be fake out users or redirectors. I recommend both, and volcarona is definitely one of those mons that require protect.

tight spire
# marble mica yall how can i make my stall team better? I keep losing to my friend, and I real...

If you're going for a dou stall I think you can try running something along the line of Ting Lu Dondozo if you want to attempt that (I think you can actually use that with orthworm if you wanna keep it). But otherwise yeah I you need a bit more support for a lot of these pokemon because Volcarona doesn't have anything to redirect damage away from it and Ursaluna isn't fast enough to be used on tailwind

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Or at least if you do want to use Ursaluna on tailwind you need to invest speed EVs into it

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To outspeed certain things

cold magnet
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its for regular nat dex doubles

waxen obsidian
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https://pokepast.es/dad5e241f445d66b anyone tryna rate my team? idk what i am doing tbh šŸ˜­ its supossed to be a trick room team. if anyone could give me even a strategy i would love it

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brittle spade
brittle spade
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you should check out the resources on smogon, or tell us if there's a specific mon you'd like to build around

brittle spade
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usually people combine cresselia with flame orb ursaluna earthquake

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and glimmora generally wants something that hits hard with priority moves, like kingambit or dragonite/chien pao

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it doesnt really need trick room

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so yeah depending on where you want to go you should either replace the cresselia or the glimmora

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but this should win you games on ladder

waxen obsidian
waxen obsidian
brittle spade
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depends on the matchup

peak crypt
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in most of your games itā€™ll probably be Gholdengo, but make sure to fix the Tera types on your defensive PokĆ©mon, because all six will have their moments

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I agree with ratpacker on replacing Glimm or Cress; this team doesnā€™t have a lot of damage and can likely get overwhelmed

waxen obsidian
marble mica
brittle spade
# waxen obsidian Any suggestions?

Check out the scl team dump on smogon, it has cresselia teams, gholdengo structures and glimmora teams, you'll understand better how players build around each pokemon

brittle spade
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Orthworm wants ting lu real bad

marble mica
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strange*

brittle spade
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Because its special defense is so bad

marble mica
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alr ill think of something, but i liked orthworm and ting lu combo tho

brittle spade
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And ting lu can Earthquake to heal the worm

marble mica
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so i'll keep it

brittle spade
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People pair it with gouging fire dragonite chien pao because orthworm ting lu needs partners to beat grass types

brittle spade
winter axle
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Can someone rate my team?

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tight spire
# winter axle https://pokepast.es/be1840eeee9bea2d

I suggest you probably look at sample full trick room teams, you're using a bunch of unviable pokemon with the best pokemon here being Torkoal (which you shouldn't be giving Heat Rock but rather something like Charcoal for damage output)

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/

Smogon Forums
Resource - Doubles OU Sample Teams

Art by GenOne

Welcome to the Sample Teams thread! This thread is meant to highlight the best of the best teams in the Doubles OU tier. Sample Teams are exemplary teams that have proven themselves to be good and are basic enough for beginners to use, allowing them to pick up the fundamentals of...

winter axle
frank mesa
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All i really want is if someone can recommend good tera types for any of them and maybe some moveset changes

opaque pulsar
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dont talk about metronome on grafaiai

regal ridge
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sacred merlin
# regal ridge https://pokepast.es/404475b8dfc1763c rate?

for me there are a few things here but its overall solid

  1. dragonite doesnt really fit here, another sweeper like gholdengo would work better on this sort of comp. further the set is a little weird.
  2. whims is generally outclassed by roaring moon and tornadus as a tailwind setter, especailly here tornadus cause of it also having prankster whilst being a ground immune which brings me to
  3. ursaluna should have earthquake over fire punch, having a spread move is massive for it to be able to sweep through teams, especially as its currently your main damage source, whereas the stuff that fire punch hits (bronzong, corviknight or the like) are handled fairly effectively by your other mons (especially if you make the change to gholdengo). another option if you go this is tera flying incineroar for another immunity but not necessary.

overall its a good team just some small stuff id change

verbal anchor
halcyon pantherBOT
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queen willow
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Firstly take the team to that channel as mentioned above

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Then ill rate it if u ping me

thick folio
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hollow oxide
brittle spade
brittle spade
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Incineroar doesn't need knock off that much if ever you feel like you need willowisp or taunt

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And landorus has better spreads, check out the scl team dump on smogon

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252 252 lando doesn't do as much as before

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You'd rather try to invest in dmg or bulk

thick folio
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Im lowkey just chucking mons at eachother to see what happens

hollow oxide
brittle spade
hollow oxide
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ah ok

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I might wisp yeah

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thank you!

brittle spade
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šŸ‘

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The good part about knock off is mostly getting rid of assault vest on an opposing kyurem or leftovers on a setup mon

hollow oxide
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yeah the main thing I had it for is av

verbal anchor
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I feel like scarf too

marble prawn
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W team?

Screenshot_20260318-103235.png
peak crypt
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This looks like you shredded three teams and stapled the bits together

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Is there a particular part you like or did you kind of just throw six PokƩmon together?

thick folio
regal ridge
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https://pokepast.es/32b271c1aa07cde3
with this team i am trying to aim for speed control/ keeping control of the battle offensively i would like to keep inde incin ursa and armarouge if possible but this also seems like im just making a trick room team so im stuck

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rose juniper
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Im afraid I dont have the time to fully rate this so ill leave that with one of the other raters

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However

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At a quick glance

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You seem to have conflicting forms of speed control

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You are using slow mons that should be used in TR but youre also using tw which is of little value for these mons

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I would say its better to just make a choice in which form of speed control you wanna use, either TW or TR

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While teams like tailroom (tailwind + trickroom, im sure you already got that by the name but just incase) can work I wouldn't advice them to newer players

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Since you wanna keep indeedee, incin (incin with indeedee is a bad combo btw cause of psy terrain and fake out), ursa and armourage I would go with TR

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You could ofcourse also change mons and go with TW

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But I wouldn't go TW with these mons

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Hope this is of some value to you @regal ridge

regal ridge
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thank you this was

regal ridge
torpid moat
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you'd rather have an expanding force user like hatterene or necrozma in the indeedee slot

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as for the rest, you probably want charcoal torkoal instead of specs, it's really important to be able to switch between heat wave and eruption depending on how hurt you are

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I don't really recommend armarouge, it's just not a very strong mon in dou and it compounds a lot of weaknesses

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maybe try something like psychic seed iron hands there instead? or more trick room setters like bronzong or diancie

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or since you're going for sun you can run after you lilligant for with sleep powder

hasty oak
halcyon pantherBOT
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torpid moat
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for example, you should probably replace the chi yu, firepon, and probably rilla for additional attackers like ho-oh, arceus, zacian

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or miraidon or magearna or groudon or anything

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there are a few supports that are viable in dubers like indeedee-f and rilla and incineroar, but they should be used sparingly when your primary focus is the real box legends

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in this case you might want an indeedee-f of your own for example to block priority

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maybe groundceus to further deter mons like zama-c or incineroar who'd block shadow rider

hasty oak
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Ok blobthumbsup

torn rose
hasty oak
torpid moat
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basically when adding supports you have to do so with purpose

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if it's tornadus, you're basically saying "I really want to get tailwind up to enable some uber attacker to move immediately"

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if you don't have the damage to back it up, the tailwind isn't terribly worthwhile

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or you may want a less reliable but overall stronger tailwind user like ho oh or arceus

hasty oak
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šŸ¤” alr..

torpid moat
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so an example comp might be

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korai shadow rider groundceus tornadus sure

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those 4 have trouble with ice rider

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fine vs mirai, okay vs zama

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so then maybe we add ho-oh and zamazenta

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ho oh is a middling speed mon that's good vs ice rider, and zama adds some much needed bulk plus wide guard

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so there's still sufficient support between the zama and ho oh tailwind and torn, but it's backing a much more reliable group of uber-level attackers

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running too many supports or non-uber attackers is usually just a mistake

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btw, that 6 might still have trouble with mirai, but between prankster tailwind and groundceus you should be able to deal with it

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also groundceus already gets judgement, no need for earth power

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try judgement/ice beam/calm mind/recover maybe

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also also, the last 2 slots could still be swapped out, maybe you try incineroar for bulk instead of zama, and your own mirai instead of ho oh

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or maybe zacian instead of mirai for extra hate on ice rider

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there are a lot of possible comps but they should be focused on trying to run as many broken mons as possible

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that make sense?

hasty oak
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Yea

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thanks

torn rose
analog vault
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

torpid moat
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you should also give your torkoal charcoal instead of specs so you can switch moves

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the torkoal spread also seems pretty weird, you can just run 252 hp 252 spa quiet

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also, the iron ball regidrago is probably the weakest link here, you'll likely need additional support if you're planning on going for hard trick room

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maybe an additional trick room setter like sinistcha (which also heals up torkoal and diancie) or something that functions outside of tr like walking wake

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diancie also really wants 252 hp btw, 252 hp 252 atk, the body press just happens incidentally

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mons with low base hp stats like diancie and torkoal really want max hp because each ev is proportionately more impacftul on that stat

torn rose
torpid moat
torn rose
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aside from that I think it seems okay

torn rose
torn rose
torpid moat
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raging bolt is a lot tankier than wake, you'll be fine

torn rose
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ice

torpid moat
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run firepon over rockpon then

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it's not that big of a deal though

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just tera out of it or whatever, matchup seems fine enough vs pao

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and more than fine vs snow comps

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torpid moat
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sure, looks fine

random stone
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

torpid dagger
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can someone rate my team please

torpid dagger
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

twin flame
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https://pokepast.es/0ab0d39787f4bd91 I'm really new to OU so I used a sample team and changed certain stuff that tended to do better in my matches. Right now my weakest link is heatran so any advice is appreciated!

peak crypt
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You might struggle less with Heatran (not a particularly common Pokemon) if you didnā€™t remove Earth Power from Bloodmoon, for example

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and Ice Punch is a bizarre replacement given that Bloodmoonā€™s physical Attack is abysmal

torpid moat
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there are a lot of other fundamental issues like lack of protect and cb pawmot and the weird azu set that suggest you're not familiar with doubles teambuilding either

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alternatively, if you want to play a lower power format, you could check out a doubles ou team like this that uses double redirection, sinistcha, and aurora veil to support a setup threat of either okidogi or raging bolt https://pokepast.es/e3b5d03554d06449

twin flame
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I just realized I said ā€œgoing aboutā€ twice oops

peak crypt
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It really just comes with trial and error, but using samples for a while can help you learn the format youā€™re playing and get a head start

hollow oxide
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a big part of it is getting experience with the meta first, but generally you have a lot of tools at your disposal as well like viability rankings and smogon dex analyses and role compendium and whatnot, but yeah overall it's about getting a feel for what the typical roles are of each pokemon that's viable in the tier, what they can do and what threats they can check and things like that

peak crypt
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Following along with discussions on the forums and reading analyses on Smogonā€™s strategy dex can also help you build the bank of knowledge youā€™d pull from in teambuilding

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Both on a format level and on a fundamental level

twin flame
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Thank you both so so much!!!!!! bunny_heart Iā€™ll definitely spend my time browsing the forums and generally just reading up on everything I need to so I can understand what works and what doesnā€™tā€¦ I really appreciate the help!!!

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uneven garnet
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

void horizon
hollow oxide
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!shareteam

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echo lynx
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trick room never starved this much before

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what am i doing

echo lynx
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and whats going on with incin

peak crypt
# void horizon

Hi! This thread is for Smogonā€™s Doubles OU format. This looks like a VGC Regulation F team; you should go to the VGC Rates thread

grave urchin
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reg H sunroom team I adapted for DOU, can this work?

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not sure if terrain extender on Indeedee is necessary

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I had psychic seed on it originally but figured since DOU games are longer than VGC it would be more useful

torpid moat
# grave urchin reg H sunroom team I adapted for DOU, can this work?

extender is definitely not worth it, just run sitrus or goggles or something. You really shouldn't run specs torkoal, you prefer something like charcoal so you're not locked into low hp eruption. If you're gonna have lilli anyways, you're probably best off with walking wake > gallade so you have a somewhat reasonable fast mode

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gravity is not really worth using either, or if you do use it it should prob be either sableye, arceus, or eternatus setting it, and it would only be worthwhile if you had pblades groudon already too

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easiest cut here is the dusk mane, it's just pretty badly positioned vs current threats like shadow rider or even incineroar

harsh cobalt
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

harsh cobalt
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Is this team tuff

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if your main focus was to make trevenant work, maybe try harvest sitrus?

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in dou it could be on a sun team with torkoal and walking wake and no other mons that care about sun, just stuff to fill out a semiroom team like diancie or indeedee-f or lando-i or iron hands

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in doubles uu, you might have a little more luck trading damage with it instead of just setting trick room, but you'd need to make sure you have answers to moltres-galar and volcanion

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like thundurus or regieleki or rockpon

fathom wedge
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.