#Smogon Doubles Rates

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tight spire
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If you run something in snow, with the exception of Baxcalibur you want it to be dishing constant blizzards usually

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Avalugg doesn't do this and instead is dead weight for most things

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Its best set is probably using like loaded dice icicle spear

polar lotus
tight spire
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I use that all the time, suicune is fun

polar lotus
tight spire
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But anyway I can't talk in rnt chat forever, so my parting word is to use that Torkoal team I posted up a bit ago with the iron hands and dont change anything on it until you've played like several games with it

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Then u can experiment a little bit

polar lotus
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Btw I'm waiting for Pokemon Champions... What're your thoughts about that??
(I hope they don't put Charges $$ over some functions and other stuffs too there)

tight spire
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We'll have to see when it comes out

polar lotus
dim merlin
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dou haz stack

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one thing probably wrong is that ting lu is my only haz setter

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it does have a lot of supp to do it anyway

shrewd iron
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Your hazard stack team isn't really stacking

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It would be better to repurpose it into a standard gouging fire ting lu team where gouging fire clicks howl

dim merlin
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wouldnt dtail be better

shrewd iron
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Sinistcha focus sash isn't worth it, sitrus is better since rarely you are getting ohko'd

dim merlin
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im thinkin of roar nvm

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ok

shrewd iron
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If you want to play hazard stack you should play another hazard setter like glimmora

torpid moat
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clam gouging + diancie are the main extract targets

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you can also use extract on an opponent's mon to halve their def

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still very gimmicky though

polar lotus
torpid moat
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but for tournament replays we generally post them on smogon

polar lotus
polar lotus
polar lotus
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But that Sand Team of Bagel really stuck with me, can you teach me how can I extract the pokepaste of the teams with their IVS and Movesets to try them out!!
That Sand team was really befitting of the Gen 9 meta OU!! It was really great, my favourite Weather phenomena finally put to play 🤩

shrewd iron
polar lotus
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Ohh I thought so, well in this way I could try to incorporate other mons with trial and error too (though it'll take some or a really long time to figure out hehe..)

torpid moat
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most of the sets there look pretty standard

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just from the replay you can tell that exca is clear amulet, torn is covert cloak

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and ttar revealed sitrus which implies knock/horsepower/sr/protect

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dogi is standard av from chi yu damage

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it's not so much about making an exact copy as it is making sets that are correct/work well

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for example the ghold item is a big question mark, it's not specs or metal coat damage against av blood moon and it's not lefties, so it might be some weird item like cloak or a resist berry

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but you can just as easily run specs or lefties np anyways, both are correct here

polar lotus
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Yeah some items and moves used in the match would definitely help in predicting the sets...
(Though I'm not familiar with most of the standard sets, except the ones I've seen in Randoms Matchups 😅)
But there's smogon and DOU rates too, to figure out any anomalies so I guess that's the way to go 🤺‼️

torpid moat
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be sure you're clicking on the doubles tab

polar lotus
unique pine
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Is this a viable team and is there anything I should/could change?

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shrewd iron
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If you want to play ninetales alola you need a payoff like Kyurem blizzard

unique pine
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Its mostly just there for Veil

shrewd iron
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Tornadus is better than talonflame, garchomp isn't good enough. A better ground is landorus

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I would put an Ogerpon-Heartflame instead of scizor

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Body press iron hands sounds like a good idea (and I tried it) but it's better just a normal set assault vest close combat

unique pine
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Alright, I see if I can fit all of these on the team

shrewd iron
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Your team was good type wise but is underpowered that's why it needs some changes

brittle spade
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i recommend you check out sample teams because structures in DOU are a bit different

unique pine
torpid moat
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as mentioned, sciz, talon, and garchomp are too niche/weak for dou

cursive smelt
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Is this good for swsh battle tower?

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @cursive smelt, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8doublesou. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

cursive smelt
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Quiet you rusty Clanker

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No one asked for a bucket of bolts for opinions

normal aurora
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Oh it seems like I missed out on a lot

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Havent played DOU in a really long time

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since Reg J came around

torpid moat
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also this looks really bad, and gimmicky even for battle tower

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but we don't rate ingame teams

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check out this resource for advice

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there's no reason to be using regi when things like zacian are legal

peak crypt
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I don't think restricted Pokemon are legal in the battle tower

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I cannot speak for viability but

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your team is illegal because you have two Eviolites, and Clefable's Power Herb item does nothing

torpid moat
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nah pretty sure you could use zac in gen 8 battle tower

ornate acorn
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Is this a good team?

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Wanted this one to be a little more bulky

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So far it works

polar lotus
keen summit
# ornate acorn Is this a good team?

Upload as a pokepaste (there's a button at the bottom of the team)
Chomp is bad
Why covert farigiraf? You're immune to fake out anyway because of ability
Not a fan of being obliterated by lando-I, you don't do that well into firepon or rillaboom either
Brick break rillaboom seems pointless with tar's sand being able to prevent snow + aurora veil
Not sure what you're looking to knock since you don't have stealth rocks or spikes to make damage stick
You also get owned by ting-Lu and waterpon and are kinda bad into kingambit
Rocky helmet chomp probably could be used somewhere on setup but I don't think it fits here
Tar is kinda bad, I don't think it's unusable garbage but it's not great tbh especially not here

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I don't really know what the team's supposed to be around

polar lotus
halcyon pantherBOT
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polar lotus
# polar lotus https://pokepast.es/a7b249fa7a700ea4

Guys I've been using this sample team by bagel for a while...
Though it's great, but I can't seem to bring out it's full potential 😭
Are there any changes you wanna suggest...
And please let me know how to choose leads for matches (I always start with Tornadus and Incinroar for most of the time)

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And I'm kinda scared to ever use chien pao cause it's so fragile that I might waste it on some Tera or wrong Mon... And using it as the opening lead is kinda risky

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And I feel like both Snarl and Electroweb are kinda weak moves for Raging Volt who might potentially do great damage or one shot stuff...?!

peak crypt
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You generally shouldn’t be leading Incin Tornadus

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Never be afraid to lead with your damage dealers; you can never set up the perfect Gholdengo sweep or the perfect Pao/Wellspring board state without taking a KO or two first

little sandal
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anyone wants to team build together?

polar lotus
shy sentinel
torpid moat
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incin doesn't need protect here, flare blitz will be a lot more useful

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also, if you're not running parting shot, try assault vest over goggles and then give it grass tera

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clear amulet is unnecessary on hatt, that weakens snarl and nothing else

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I'd just go for 252 hp 252 spa with life orb, sitrus, sash, or twisted spoon

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probably in that order of viability

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and if that's trying to survive gholdengo or something, just give it a defensive tera instead like water

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indeedee itself learns trick room

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I'd go for follow me/trick room/psychic

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last slot can be either helping hand or protect

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and item can be sitrus, sash, or goggles

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the most common taunt user is tornadus, whose prankster taunt gets blocked by terrain anyways

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I can respect mental herb, but you have to understand you're specifically trying to fool nonprankster taunt users like ogerpon

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give ursaluna headlong rush over shadow claw, there will be many situations where you need single target ground move, while shadow claw doesn't really hit much

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sneasler is the most questionable mon here

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set feels a little awkward, usually it wants to be running close combat instead of brick break

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maybe try psychic seed unburden instead?

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cc/dire/taunt/protect

peak crypt
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The downside is this is a very niche interaction and you can just use Follow Me instead

shrewd iron
peak crypt
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Oh cool it does just Suck then

shrewd iron
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It was used by a VGC player in open spreadsheet that hoped no one knew (it worked)

shy sentinel
# torpid moat if mon swaps aren't an option, sets can still be optimized here

Ah, alrighty tysm-!!!^^ I am def trying to fix the team up with this rating! (Noticed Matcha didn't get a criticism so am just assuming they're alright)

Imma be real Sniki is an awkward pick for me too. She was actually a past replacer of the other 6th member, Which was a Chansey with an eviolite. Ngl that didn't do me good when I was playing:'D

Might swap Sniki for someone else that's for sure, she already got her time to shine.

small swift
torpid moat
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diancie also not bad, but you'd have to be very careful of your gholdengo matchup

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maybe fire tera blast diancie

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sd iron hands or waterpon also not bad

torpid moat
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the pelipper and grimm are mostly useless here

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a maus comp will pretty much always have maus pao torn lando

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maus for its raw power with pop bomb, pao to boost it further, torn for speed control, lando to beat difficult targets like incin ghold diancie

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @worn bobcat, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

tepid peak
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Politoed @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 108 HP / 200 Def / 50 SpD / 150 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Perish Song
  • Hyper Voice
  • Surf

Gothitelle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shadow Tag
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 88 HP / 150 Def / 70 SpD / 200 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Protect
  • Fake Out
  • Psychic
  • Substitute

Amoonguss @ Mental Herb
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 128 Def / 128 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Pollen Puff
  • Rage Powder
  • Spore

Archaludon @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stamina
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 6 HP / 150 SpA / 252 SpD / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Flash Cannon
  • Electro Shot

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 6 HP / 100 Def / 150 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Blood Moon
  • Earth Power
  • Moonblast

Basculegion @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 28 Atk / 180 Def / 150 SpD / 150 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Protect
  • Liquidation
  • Last Respects
  • Flip Turn

doubles ubers perish trap+rain team

peak crypt
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This team is more or less completely unviable in Doubles Ubers @tepid peak

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Your Pokémon simply aren’t strong enough to keep up with the nuclear power level of things like Arceus, Miraidon, and Calyrex

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There are some more basic issues too—EVs only produce a stat point in multiples of four, but you have multiple Pokémon with EV investments like 50, 70, and 6 that are wasting EVs and losing stats. Your EVs feel like they are allocated randomly rather than serving any specific purpose. Additionally, Surf is a move that hits your allies and you have no way to mitigate or take advantage of it.

vocal summit
halcyon pantherBOT
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vocal summit
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Into TR I usually lead either chien or hands with ogerpon depending on whether they have indeedee/certain follow me users

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Sometimes Ogerpon Torn if they have cress

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Ogerpon/Hands into screens

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Pult/Chien into most other teams

keen summit
# vocal summit https://pokepast.es/c8110ed68008a3f2 been laddering a lot with this and was curi...

I think it's mostly fine, follow me over taunt for ogerpon though
maybe just go waterpon, also lets you take lando-I down (you can deal with tornadus MU being worse because you have the tools to deal with it) and lets you fight diancie + hands etc better
rock isn't needed here is what i'm trying to say but your team shouldn't explode that much regardless, sturdy is still okay
also change out sucker punch for tera blast since it's not really killing anything darts won't, and get a real tera (you have no ghost moves)
something like this is what i'm thinking of with possible throat chop over sacred sword/sucker punch if you're scared of giraffe/indeedee
https://pokepast.es/1b78d3a2aa5b42da

vocal summit
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I wasn’t even thinking abt Tera pult

brittle spade
# vocal summit https://pokepast.es/c8110ed68008a3f2 been laddering a lot with this and was curi...

dropping taunt on ogerpon on this build is risky since it's already pretty weak to TR
your team is offensive enough that you should be able to muscle through screens, locking dragapult into psychic fangs really isnt optimal
protect is one of chien pao's best moves and should be kept in 80% of cases
id suggest trying this out
https://pokepast.es/52d16c033f431b53
https://pokepast.es/8f64592822ac6bb7

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the torn set is an upgrade from the sample set, letting it live moves from kyurem and dragonite

torpid moat
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gonna second taunt ogerpon, nonprankster taunt is very important for tr matchup

vocal summit
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Yeah that’s why I swapped originally ty

vocal summit
vocal summit
jade rover
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Walking Wake @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Hydro Steam
  • Flamethrower
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Weather Ball

Ninetales @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Solar Beam
  • Overheat
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Protect

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

  • Draco Meteor
  • Thunderbolt
  • Thunderclap
  • Weather Ball

Brute Bonnet @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk
Brave Nature

  • Spore
  • Rage Powder
  • Sucker Punch
  • Seed Bomb

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Sunny Day
  • Bleakwind Storm
  • Taunt
  • Tailwind

Heatran @ Assault Vest
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

  • Flash Cannon
  • Tera Blast
  • Earth Power
  • Heat Wave

doubles ou sun team ulala

peak crypt
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Sun is just bad unfortunately

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In theory it has a lot of power but in practice you can get the same level of power using some better Pokemon anyway

brittle spade
brittle spade
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walking wake likes to run bulk to live extreme speed from tera band dragonite with chien pao next to it

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heatran isnt great on sun teams

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brittle spade
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youd rather run chiyu or diancie

brittle spade
jade rover
brittle spade
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raging bolt also wants a bit of bulk to live moves from chien pao

jade rover
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but

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i desperately needed a check to diancei tr teams

brittle spade
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although brute bonnet should do the trick

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try running tera fire/water on brute bonnet

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and more bulk

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you can run wisp on ninetales for diancie

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you can run your own diancie

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lots of possibilities

jade rover
brittle spade
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oh yeah didnt notice

jade rover
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phys attackers like iron hands and roaring moon tend to give me a bit of trouble

chilly thorn
halcyon pantherBOT
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torpid moat
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this is the correct location to post duu teams

torpid moat
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basically your maximum investment into sun should be like 1 additional fire and 1 proto mon or something

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but mons like leafeon are just too weak for duu, you'd legitimately be better off with ogerpon-cornerstone over it here

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the only sun "synergy" is heatran and tusk

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and notably, both of those mons are ones that can answer opposing fires, especially heatran and entei/arc

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because sun will have a terrible time vs them otherwise

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this also has a lot more bulk and redundancy, yours is very frail and can get run over if you lose the speed control advantage

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you don't have to go psyspam for the rest of the comp, but you should look into running mons that are strong independent of sun as well, like rockpon or moltres-galar

chilly thorn
torpid moat
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goltres in particular is really helpful with both tailwind and a tanky threat

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hisui lilligant is also available in duu if you still really want to go for chloro

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it gets sleep powder and after you (and cc to hit rockpon) but the tier is arguably even more hostile to sleep than regular dou

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because rockpon has like 60% tour usage or something

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and brute bonnet exists

chilly thorn
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🤔

chilly thorn
peak crypt
quaint crystal
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https://pokepast.es/53b6fdb139b41d4c

Can anyone help me work out how to improve my team, the primary goal is to utilize Goodra as best I can!

Im averaging abt mid 1200s ELO with this set up

low herald
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brittle spade
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you try to figure out a lead that doesnt force you to switch out on turn 1, go from there and try to trade positively

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chien pao's ability synergizes with dragapult and ogerpon so having them both on the field at the same time is good for you

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unless i were to explain to you how to lead into every matchup its better if you just play the team and figure it out from there

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and when you lose you check the replay and try to figure out what you would have needed to do to win

brittle spade
brittle spade
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its also way better in duu

low herald
chilly thorn
torpid moat
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try like a ninetales/leafeon/heatran/great tusk/goltres comp then

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maybe dragapult last slot

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just goodstuffs plus heavy sun focus

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actually bax last slot could be cool too

brittle spade
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i think i have a team like that already

brittle spade
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or assault vest

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ngl this prob slaps

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Leafeon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Solar Blade
  • X-Scissor
  • Knock Off
  • Tera Blast
glacial jolt
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I mainly wasn't confident with lando, it feels kinda tacked on

peak crypt
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“why didn’t it ping? oh pink name”

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seems fine at a glance

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I’d definitely go Moonblast over Gleam on Flutter; usually Gleam is your second Fairy move rather than your only one

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I’d probably run Icy Wind third if you use this in a roomtour or anything, but I think Perish is fine for ladder

glacial jolt
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Yeah, I originally had icy but never clicked it on ladder. Also because I have trauma from a cm tera grass bolt that dodged 3 heat waves from chi yu

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But I'll def make it moonblast

torpid moat
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only bolt properly makes use of the healing here

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either that or you switch to a diancie comp

glacial jolt
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I can switch to indeedee yeah

torpid moat
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or you run like blood moon in lando slot

glacial jolt
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So I would do indeedee+blood moon or diancie+blood moon?

torpid moat
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it'd be sinistcha + blood moon

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but I do think just going with indeedee swap alone id better

glacial jolt
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Alright

dim merlin
halcyon pantherBOT
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rose juniper
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Incase no one helps you within 30 min ill take a better look at it

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But in the meantime

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Id say your 6 are fine, its mainly the sets that could use some fine tuning

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Basically all the move sets need work and most EVs as well

shrewd iron
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I would change sinistcha

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It doesn't really have something to heal

dim merlin
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What do I change sin to

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And it does heal

keen summit
rose juniper
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what waffle means is that you don't have pokemon that benefit greatly from the heal

rose juniper
keen summit
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And yeah cha can probably go anyway

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Triple grass can't be a good idea

rose juniper
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eitherway as for the sets

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ill go top to bottom

keen summit
rose juniper
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oger really needs to have more speed, as it now stands youre slower then lando which is something you wanna avoid

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for oger fire I would personally just run 252 attack/252 speed jolly and 4 def/spdef

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incase you keep sinis I would also advise putting SD over follow me on it

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glide is just not that strong otherwise

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as for rillaboom

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rillaboom either wants an defensive tera or grass as its tera since thats the only viable offensive tera it has

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so I would swap that to either grass or fire

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furthermore you want an odd HP number cause of how pokemon calcs damage

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and as for the move set

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you wanna run woodhammer instead of drum beating

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and U turn over drain punch

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in terms of wake

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I really don't understand the point of booster max HP wake, nor its tera. Wake is best used as a fast and strong attacker, so go with a 252 timid speed/252 sp atk and 4 def/spdef

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with protect, flame thrower, hydro steam and draco meteor

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you could keep the item as booster but I also have an alternative 6th for sinis which is torn and if you end up making that switch then id advise lorb instead

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lando-T is a cool pick but has the wrong set

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the EVs are fine besides that the 4hp should go in one of the def stats and that with scarf you can run adamant

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and the tera must be flying for it to work

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as for the move set

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you wanna give it tera blast, stomping tantrum, u-turn and rockslide

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as for pao

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pao really enjoyes a tera ghost

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helps it with its 4x fighting weakness but maybe even more importantly it can block fake out that way

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also don't forget to give it its last 4 evs

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in terms of the nature and move set, it depends on what you like best

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its either protect/spinner/sucker punch/sacred sword

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or

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throat chop/spinner/sucker punch/sacred sword

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and I prefer adamant but jolly is also fine

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sinis could indeed be replaced as waffle noted

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and if you wanna change it for something else I suggest tornadus

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helps with speed control cause of prankster tailwind

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but also gives you access to prankster sunny day

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which your team would benefit from with oger and wake

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and also lando in terms of defenses since it will now take half damage from super effective water attacks

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I would personally go with this torn spread:

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The Wind (Tornadus) @ Heat Rock
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 192 HP / 128 SpA / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Sunny Day
  • Bleakwind Storm
  • Tailwind
  • Protect
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@dim merlin hope this helps

dim merlin
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It will

queen cargo
keen summit
shrewd iron
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Also the sets aren't great you're using physical mons with special attackers

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Like hydro pump samurott

unique pine
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Is this a good DOU team and is there anything I should change?

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final kestrel
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when using snow, usually kyurem is the choice of mon. mons like iron hands, gholdengo, and diancie could do decent amount of damage against snow, so I would recommend the more reliable lando-i over lando-t.

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ogerpon-h is fine. scizor and whimsicott isn't used much in this metagame. if you want some speed advantage (as well as some support), you could use diancie and iron hands

tight spire
# unique pine Is this a good DOU team and is there anything I should change?

Aside from Baxcalibur there's no reason to use a physical attacking ice type on snow that doesn't have blizzard unless you're using like howl ninetales, Chien Pao is also quite frail so idt it really benefits from snow that much at all.

Scizor is kinda out of place here, imo steel types do not really mesh too well with snow unless it's like Gholdengo who has nasty plot set up potential especially bc a lot of common anti snow pokemon resist steel types.

As test bots said you're probably gonna want a Kyurem instead of Chien Pao.

Tera Steel on Ninetales doesn't make much sense because it's often targeted by fire types imo

Ogerpon Hearthflame is probably fine here, but wellspring could also work

peak crypt
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Alternate idea is swapping Ninetales for something a little scarier and leaning into Chien-Pao

unique pine
shrewd iron
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Not a fan of whimsicott in this type of composition but it's fine

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Kingambit and chi Yu overlap their types a bit too much and you get weak to iron hands

unique pine
shrewd iron
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Both Landorus would be great yeah

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Also with whimsicott fake tears would be better in this type of team

torpid moat
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gambit can either go av or sd

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av fairy blast gambit for example can really improve hands matchup

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but as mentioned, torn is better than whims in almost every way

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the only real unique properties whims has are encore and fake tears, if you don't have a good reason to need them then torn is just better

slow ibex
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Is there any way I can improve this team?

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peak crypt
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SD Hands almost never runs Booster and usually drops one of the punches for Protect

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CB Dragonite may as well not exist without a Chien-Pao on the team; it needs Beads of Ruin to really do serious damage

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I’d probably start by dropping Dragonite for a Wellspring Ogerpon, swapping Gholdengo to a Nasty Plot set, and switching Shadow Ball on Sinistcha for Trick Room

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(Also in the future @slow ibex use a pokepaste link or Showdown’s built-in team storage to post a team; we have a bot that can read those links and tag team raters)

remote jolt
halcyon pantherBOT
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remote jolt
rose juniper
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alright

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so far id say it looks pretty decent

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at first glance im only seeing 2 things that do need changing

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being the oger move set

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and the chi EVs

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ill start with oger, you don't need both leech and woodhammer and you do however need ivy

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id remove one of the 2, doesn't really matter which one but id remove leech myself personally and put on ivy over that

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as for chi yu

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you don't have to run timid max speed on scarf

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you should instead run modest

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and you can even if you want remove some speed EVs to invest in bulk

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the minimum speed EVs you need when going modest scarf are 148

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you can leave it at max but I would highly advise switching it to modest

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anything else in particulair you/the team struggles against? @remote jolt

remote jolt
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Idk because I doesn’t test it in ladder yet and thank for suggestions

rose juniper
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no worries

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you might also at one point want to consider changing the ursa and ghold EVs to allow for some more bulk but max speed also works

brittle spade
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Trick room will be kinda rough

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for that team

rose juniper
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true

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however if you do beef up that ghold and especially the ursa that should help

little sandal
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anyone knows when flutter mane suspect test will end?

final kestrel
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by tomorrow

wispy sandal
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Rain team I made, usually lead with volcanion and palafin then switch palafin to pelipper first turn

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wispy sandal
brittle spade
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otherwise snow is a horrible matchup

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id switch the item to assault vest

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id also get rid of the volcanion for something that deals with ogerpon-wellspring

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one sec ill send you a paste that'll work better

brittle spade
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if it doesnt work replace volcanion with baxcalibur

wispy sandal
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Tysm!

jade rover
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Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 156 HP / 132 Def / 20 SpA / 52 SpD / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Sunny Day
  • Tailwind
  • Taunt
  • Bleakwind Storm

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 100 HP / 156 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Facade
  • Headlong Rush
  • Protect
  • Drain Punch

Flutter Mane @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 68 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Icy Wind
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Protect
  • Moonblast

Chi-Yu @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 172 HP / 84 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Dark Pulse
  • Heat Wave
  • Overheat
  • Snarl

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 140 HP / 252 SpA / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

  • Thunderbolt
  • Thunderclap
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Snarl

Rillaboom @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Fake Out
  • Grassy Glide
  • Wood Hammer
  • U-turn

flutter sun offense 💪💪💪💪💪

torpid moat
jade rover
torpid moat
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probably just lando i

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alternatively you keep luna but add farig or indeedee instead in another slot

jade rover
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i don't really mess with tr

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it feels kinda clunky to me

torpid moat
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then yeah no luna needed then

jade rover
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ill just run lando i then

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Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 156 HP / 132 Def / 20 SpA / 52 SpD / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Sunny Day
  • Tailwind
  • Taunt
  • Bleakwind Storm

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 68 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Power Gem
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Shadow Ball
  • Moonblast

Chi-Yu @ Life Orb
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 172 HP / 84 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Dark Pulse
  • Heat Wave
  • Overheat
  • Snarl

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 140 HP / 252 SpA / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

  • Thunderbolt
  • Thunderclap
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Snarl

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Fake Out
  • Grassy Glide
  • Wood Hammer
  • U-turn

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 148 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Sandsear Storm
  • Earth Power
  • Sludge Bomb
  • Protect
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ill try this out tomorrow

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im tired

cerulean zinc
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this is my first attempt at a DOU team, lemme know what y'all think. im pretty new to showdown in general but ive been watching a fair bit and learning a lot online:
https://pokepast.es/f6a4985a471a8a31

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shrewd iron
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I just remind you that flutter mane is getting suspect tested was temporarily unbanned for that reason so you might not be able to use the team in a week (if it doesn't get unbanned in the tier)

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Palafin isn't great due to the loss of tempo resulting in having to switch it in the first one or two turns

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But if you want to play palafin, I would probably play it choice band for maximum damage

cerulean zinc
cerulean zinc
cerulean zinc
shrewd iron
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others aren't really worth playing

mortal mulch
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This is my frist time creating a team and I just need some pointers so i can fix it

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King Kai (Bisharp) @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Iron Head
  • Sucker Punch
  • Brick Break

Puri Puri (Clefairy) @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Follow Me
  • Life Dew
  • Icy Wind
  • Protect

BRRRRRR (Rotom-Wash) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 212 SpA / 44 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Volt Switch
  • Hydro Pump
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Protect

Mario (Amoonguss) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Rage Powder
  • Spore
  • Pollen Puff
  • Protect

The 5th (Heatran) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 180 SpD / 76 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Magma Storm
  • Earth Power
  • Stealth Rock
  • Protect
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Absolutely dog on it if its terrible, I want to try comp and I just need help

shrewd iron
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The team isn't strong enough for DOU, you need to pick Pokémon in the DOU section

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Or looking through the smogon resources by doing /tier doubles OU will help you

mortal mulch
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okie dokie sounds good thank you

brittle spade
mortal mulch
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I tried to make another team for Doubles so lmk what you think

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Bane (Ogerpon-Wellspring) (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 200 HP / 124 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Horn Leech
  • Follow Me
  • Spiky Shield

cotton ball (Whimsicott) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Tailwind
  • Taunt
  • Moonblast
  • Fake Tears

The 3rd (Heatran) @ Charcoal
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Heat Wave
  • Earth Power
  • Flash Cannon
  • Protect

what is this (Glimmora) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earth Power
  • Mortal Spin
  • Spiky Shield

The 5th (Incineroar) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Fake Out
  • Flare Blitz
  • Knock Off
  • Parting Shot

The 6th (Landorus-Therian) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 232 Atk / 68 Def / 208 Spe
Naive Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Stone Edge
  • U-turn
  • Tera Blast
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changes or improvements? I could also scrap the whole thing if its not solid

mortal mulch
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Anyone got any critiques?

torpid moat
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the lando t should also prob just be a lando i

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those changes should make waterpon and a few other matchups significantly more playable

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heatran could probably also just be a ghold as well

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so torn + ghold > whims + tran

mortal mulch
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Tran being?

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Sorry unfamiliar with the term

torpid moat
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if you really like lando t, I guess sticking with it is fine, just be very careful of gambit

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heatran

mortal mulch
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Also T-ran sounds craaazy

torpid moat
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also give your glimm focus sash

mortal mulch
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That's what I was thinking honestly but I wasn't entirely sure

remote edge
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Smogon Doubles Rates

remote jolt
halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @remote jolt, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9doublesuu. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

brittle spade
# remote jolt https://pokepast.es/466aff2f05105388

very minor modifications but they should make you more solid into brute bonnet
speed and timid is useless on moltres, although you can run max speed modest to taunt opposing moltres who should always run bulky

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sitrus berry is the better item

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basc is tera water over ghost for sucker punch

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and not dying to moltres

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kingdra is tera stellar hurricane for grass types

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aka bonnet

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you can change ogerpon-cornerstone to brute bonnet or basculegion to overqwil if you want to try other stuff

remote jolt
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brittle spade
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otherwise looks ok

loud knot
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can you post mono type VCG format teams here? I tried over in the VGC channel, but they said to post in the Monotype channel. posted it there, but they don't have and double battle raters. so since this is a double battle channel, can I post it here?

torpid moat
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there is no correct location, and this one definitely isn't it, most people just don't want to build for a fake format like that

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but yeah I can take a look

loud knot
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I don't think it's a problem with my team specifically, more like my team building just completely sucks (the only team I've had any success with are my ESKiller teams). but here is my mono-fairy team that gets wrecked by Kyogre. https://pokepast.es/a3d32a34b7ba00f2 Even when I set up Light Screen, Kyogre just one shots everything.

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @loud knot, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

peak crypt
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when you're bringing monotype to a format that doesn't actually require monotype, you have to assume that you are going to lose more games than normal

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monotype in an unlimited format is just not as good as playing normally

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with that said, you can run a fast Flutter instead of a bulky one to outspeed the Kyogre and hit it with Moonblast (or even Thunder Wave) to not die to Water Spout

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and Whimsicott can run Sunny Day to weaken it too

torpid moat
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specs magearna also seems like not an ideal set, a lot of its power comes from sticking around as other stuff dies instead of being a straightforward attacker

final kestrel
bold root
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Hi

halcyon pantherBOT
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final kestrel
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Hi, @bold root . Unfortunately, your team is very unlikely to succeed in the Gen 8 Doubles OU. You may want to take a look at this link: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-doubles-ou.3718683/. It will tell you all you need to know about the metagame. I also recommend taking a look at this link to learn about the fundamentals of doubles gameplay: https://www.smogon.com/smog/issue43/misconceptions-about-doubles. Good luck~

Smogon Forums
Metagame - SS Doubles OU

Format Rules
Banlist:
Doubles OU is a format in which both players have two Pokémon on the field at the same time. All Pokémon except those on the banlist (found below) can be used in Doubles OU regardless of the Pokémon's tier in singles play. Unlike in VGC, all Pokémon default to level 100...

bold root
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I think I found a hidden gem.

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When is the next tournament? I must prove it.

peak crypt
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with all due respect

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you have played eight games

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the lower part of the ladder is not exactly good at the game, and if you're beating low ladder, you're probably just better than they are

torpid moat
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also your lonely staka will still defense beast boost, you need to remove def IVs to make it atk boosting

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max spe sylveon also makes no sense on a tr team

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but yeah the biggest issues of all are the greedent gimmick not being very good and not having enough support to set TR through disruption

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and low mon quality

bold root
bold root
bold root
torpid moat
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but your tr setters are also quite frail, too

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your opponents can very likely ruin your strategy by just killing your tr setters

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there are bulkier or better utility trick room setters out there like porygon2 and diancie

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but you also want to have redirection or fake out of your own, like rage powder or follow me (which togekiss learns, but amoonguss is better at), or again fake out users like incineroar, or psychic terrain to block fake out, like indeedee-f

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another point of note, running 252 def + 252 spdef on your mons is extremely inefficient, it's just mathematically better to get 252 hp before ever touching defenses unless you're trying to live a specific hit

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252hp/128 def/128 spdef will tank significantly more damage than 252 def/252spdef

torpid moat
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many of the mons are also bulky and generally good enough that they can function inside and outside of tr, so you're not fully dependent on it

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but lurantis is a very powerful setup sweeper under tr with contrary superpower, which also punishes intimidate users like opposing incineroar

bold root
bold root
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I feel like it’s important to prevent taunt, setting up rocks and status moves.

torpid moat
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ally switch is unreliable compared to actual redirection

bold root
torpid moat
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also hatterene is too frail, it very regularly dies to regular attackers before it can set tr

bold root
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I can see about cress

bold root
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Normally it lives though

torpid moat
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you only run hatt as an offensive tr setter with expanding force, but it has to be paired with indeedee-f for follow me + terrain

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you're not playing against good enough players yet

bold root
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Yeah someone killed it one time with helping hand and the black ultrabeast

torpid moat
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necrozma is considered the better pair for indeedee btw, since it's so much tanker

bold root
torpid moat
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here's a different example of a "harder" tr team:

bold root
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My idea is to use psych up on greedent so azelf also gets 4x attack

torpid moat
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yeah as I've mentioned earlier, that's a really unreliable strat

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trust me, I've seen many drum greedent teams before, nothing you've done here is unique

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the team is just too inflexible to pull off any of those gimmicks against a competent opponent

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if you want to try a gimmicky all-or-nothing strat, look at endeavor togedemaru in the team I linked

tough timber
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pls let me know anything i can do to make it better

torpid moat
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I think waterpon should be cut here though, either for diancie or walking wake

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the reason is that waterpon gets weakened in sun, and you still want something that can deal with incin

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diancie leans more into hard tr, wake goes more semiroom and helps with lando-i matchup

tough timber
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pon was really just for coverage but wake seems like it synergizes a lot better since torkoal activates proto and wake is really hard for my current team to deal with and having a mirror match can help

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do u have a suggested build?

torpid moat
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try this set

sudden dune
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hello, is anyone willing to rate my trick room team? https://pokepast.es/e9ab358374625b67

i definitely feel like i made a few bold decisions with certain pokemon i choose (i really like bastiodon and drifblim) but if u have better recommendations, ill definitely give them a try! >_<

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sudden dune
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also,, i havent played competitively since usum. so like im still kinda catching up a bit with the current meta lolz

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also i gave them all old lady names

tough timber
torpid moat
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heat wave/solar beam/earth power/protect

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but you really shouldn't have that much trouble, eforce and luna should be enough raw damage

tough timber
torpid moat
lost bough
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heyo back with a new team after a while
https://pokepast.es/39e4df1a50a823c3

is it good? no
is it fun though? yeah

anyways i just need some general recommendations about my move choices and items to really polish this horrendous team

all and all this is just a team i made after like 3-4 months of being away from showdown and i want to try to get a hang on team building again

halcyon pantherBOT
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brittle spade
lost bough
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im not attached to indeedee and lokix

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im just trying out lokix's niche

peak crypt
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I think if you really want to use Lokix it’d be best used on a priority spam comp with the likes of Chien-Pao and Dragonite

lost bough
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honestly the thought behind lokix was just a nuke button, i built in with only a max usage of 2 first impressions and maybe a counter if im lucky

peak crypt
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One of the most important parts of teambuilding is using good Pokémon

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and you have more or less failed to do that—none of these picks are particularly good except Indeedee who is actively interfering with some of your other Pokémon

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Using fun Pokemon is cool and good, but you do need power picks to back them up—a team full of weirdos (affectionate) isn’t going to get you very far

lost bough
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thats true

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i feel like i would like to have inteleon and emboar as the cores

peak crypt
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Does it have to be specifically Inteleon and Emboar? Using both locks you out of using a weather to power up one or the other

lost bough
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lets go with a rain team i guess

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also just curious but would inteleon work as a secondary sweeper in the standard kingdra rain team

peak crypt
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Kingdra isn’t part of “standard” rain any more

lost bough
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lowkey forgot it fell out of standard plays

peak crypt
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There isn’t much of a standard for rain these days but the closest you get is probably like

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Tornadus Pelipper Wellspring Basc-F

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and the fish is using full physical

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I do think Inteleon has a narrow niche of ignoring redirection with Snipe Shot

lost bough
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basc-F works as a physical?

peak crypt
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Yeah Last Respects still goes crazy so you just give it a Choice Band

lost bough
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i see

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also i may or may not have picked inteleon in the first place because of snipe shot

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just thought that it would be such a niche pick that most wouldnt expect it

slow ibex
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keen summit
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if you want basculegion in rain go swift swim over adaptability
glimmora just use the sample set
enemy raging bolt is troublesome vs your team, AV bolt of your own with weather ball -> thunder could be good (weather ball is not worth on rain imo)
pao also seems a problem

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hands also might be troublesome

final kestrel
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to take care of electron mons, just use lando > glim

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i would also use hands over bolt to lessen the threat of pao and bolt

wooden galleon
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For doubles ou.
Idc if the movesets or Mon choices seem weird it's fun to play and I stole it of YouTube but what should I do with the evs for my mons
https://pokepast.es/fc9afe650e7dafed

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tight spire
wooden galleon
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Ik

tight spire
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its not a DOU team

wooden galleon
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I stole it

tight spire
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and it can't work in DOU

wooden galleon
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How come?

tight spire
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bc it's not designed for the DOU meta

wooden galleon
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Hmmm alr

tight spire
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DOU doesn't have things like Sneasler constantly being used

wooden galleon
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Oh ok

tight spire
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or Male Indeedee being used

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Scyther is specifically designed to counter common reg H pokemon

wooden galleon
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So shld I js use it in reg H?

tight spire
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yeah

wooden galleon
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Would it work in any other formags like reg J?

torpid moat
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no

wooden galleon
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K

torpid moat
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those ones have restricteds, which completely invalidate the need for scyther's niche

wooden galleon
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Alr

tight spire
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idt scyther is gonna help against Zamazenta 😭

ornate acorn
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Hiii guys, I made a DUU team based around SOUND but I can't seem to perfect it, Im still in the team building/testing stage but this is what I have so far

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I originally had gothitel with a perish trap strategy but then I swiftly learned that it's banned to ubers

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Which makes sense, but I never knew because perish trap tends to work best with restricted formats anyway

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Regardless, I've been wanting to try it with vgc but I'm not sure if it's up to par for it yet. I find myself always barely getting by with one or two Pokémon left, and thats against UU

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But then again, the Pokémon probably don't have enough power for VGC anyway, I have another few teams I could use for VGC, which I'm sure once its closer to being done I'll show off anyway

ornate acorn
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Ehh, this one ain't my best

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But it is NOT the worst 😭

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I do really like the idea of this gimmick though

prisma swallow
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Not a duu rater but you should p much never unironically use scream tail offensively

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It has 60 in both offences or smth

halcyon pantherBOT
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Scream Tail (Gen 9)
Typing

Fairy / Psychic

Abilities

0: Protosynthesis

Base Stats (BST: 570)

115 / 65 / 99 / 65 / 115 / 111

Weight

8 kg (20 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

prisma swallow
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65, still bad

ornate acorn
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Yeahh, it originally was just perish trap support, but over time I ended up with what I had? Idk maybe I can switch back to pure support

torpid moat
ornate acorn
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Yeah thats the point

torpid moat
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for example clanging scales on body press kommo here is actively harmful

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and none of the sound mons get a benefit for being next to other sound mons

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would you be more open to just having 3 okay sound attackers in clangorous soul kommo/prima/toxt

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and then properly supporting the rest?

ornate acorn
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Skeledurge has been putting in quite a bit of work with its bulk, and I did make some adjustments so that porygon2 and scream tail are support

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I also changed some of the sets

torpid moat
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sure, 3 then maybe, no prima

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with toxt/dirge/kommo at least you'll have 2 boomburst immunity

ornate acorn
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OH toxtricity is the only one with boomburst now

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Scream tail lost it in favor of dgleem

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Also I have a copy of the team thay has a perish trap mode but that only has a chance to work in vgc

torpid moat
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boomburst scream tail just doesn't make sense yeah

ornate acorn
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The vgc one actually is probably better because it swaps porygon2 with indeedee-f

torpid moat
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try like toxt/kommo/skeledirge/goltres/av gross/rockpon

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and it'll be a decent duu team

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kommo being throat spray clang soul set

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goltres with tailwind

ornate acorn
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Hold on I'll send the vgc team in the vgc rates

surreal needle
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My friend and I are gonna battle with randomly generated teams and since theres a bit of prep time before the actual match, I could use some help!

This is the team I'm working with so far:
https://pokepast.es/957e0c73765a174e

The pokemon can't change, only moveset/items/stats

From the list I saw synergy between toxtricity and electivire so I'm trying to set up toxtricity to sweep on electric terrain with tera electric cheese. (They have a random team too, so fakeout/taunt/encore are things less likely to show up)

final kestrel
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you're unlikely to find help for custom games. from the looks of it you're very unlikely to win as well.

torpid moat
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yeah you basically instantly lose to chomp etern

peak crypt
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if you could evolve to Palossand I think you would have a fighting chance, but your only two fully evolved Pokemon just kind of lose to the dragons

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maybe if you can get some level balancing a la randbats then you’ll have a shot

surreal needle
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I swapped some moves around, I think having reflect/light screen will help me pivot based on how they set up their sweeper. Also Adding things like Destiny Bond + Momento to slow down the powerhouses.

I also ran through some damage calc's and even with terrain having Toxtricity tera into normal for boomburst is much stronger.

https://pokepast.es/3bc01985e381a772

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Its an uphill battle for sure lol

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I wish rowlet got tailwind so bad lol

shrewd juniper
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https://pokepast.es/97870cc95ee2c1cc here is my Uber team, I'm new to competitive, I've watched some Wolfie and I played in some highschool organized tournaments ( my school didn't do too well if they sent me)

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

keen summit
# shrewd juniper https://pokepast.es/97870cc95ee2c1cc here is my Uber team, I'm new to competitiv...

You that you seem to be using vgc rules, in doubles Ubers you're allowed anything you want (that isn't banned, which is very little) and the expectation is that you bring all 6 to each match unlike vgc bring 6 pick 4
Haxorus is definitely bad in an ekiller Arceus tier, urshifu-water is a bad synergy with Groudon (unlike vgc you don't have the option of not bringing every mon to every match), Groudon is quite passive, etc etc
Use a sample team for doubles Ubers to learn the meta, or join smogon doubles server and ask there for teams + games
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ubers.3712864/post-9456565

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Metagame - Doubles Ubers

Welcome to Doubles Ubers! Like all official Smogon tiers, Doubles Ubers is restricted to Pokemon that are currently obtainable in Scarlet and Violet.

Doubles Ubers is a 6v6 doubles format with no Pokemon banned. Otherwise, it mirrors most clauses from Doubles OU, such as Species Clause and...

shrewd juniper
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Well in VGC you can bring different compromises, I thought haxorus has a high OHKO if used right,

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And from my testing Groudon and incineroar have been doing a good job against a lot of teams my Urshifu and haxorus hasnt been doing well against

torpid moat
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koraidon is better than haxorus in every way

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vgcers would absolutely run more ubers if they were allowed to

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the only non-ubers worth using in dubers are strong support mons like incineroar, indeedee, tornadus, which offer utility that the ubers can't

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if your nonuber mon's main purpose is to deal damage, there's usually an uber that almost entirely outclasses it

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and there are certain ubers that offer good support like zamazenta, or speed control from ho-oh or arceus or ice rider

quaint crystal
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Im working on a DOU Grass type mono team

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doesanyonee have any pointers?

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or ideas on team comp

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obviously ogrepon and amoongus are good options but whom would i replace and what kits would i run

peak crypt
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I actually think your best option is Sun

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Something like Hearthflame Ogerpon, Rillaboom, Whimsicott, Sinistcha (Poison neutrality seems handy I think?), some Chlorophyll attacker, and maybe Ludicolo for a backup Fire neutrality

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okay never mind all the Chlorophyll users suck LOL

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Shiftry and Brambleghast also seem strong for Bleakwind Storm immunity

shrewd iron
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Yeah definetly need shiftry and brambleghast not to get eaten by bleakwind storm and heat wave

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Focus sash shaymin sky is a good option for offensive teams

quaint crystal
quaint crystal
keen summit
quaint crystal
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Teeter dance is goated

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its the next wolfe strat trust

halcyon pantherBOT
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Teeter Dance (Gen 9)

Causes the target to become confused.

Type

Normal

Category

Non-Damaging

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP

20 (32)

Priority

0

Target

AllAdjacent

Flags
  • When used by a Pokemon, other Pokemon with the Dancer Ability can attempt to execute the same move.
  • Can be selected by Metronome.
  • Can be copied by Mirror Move.
  • Blocked by protection moves.
keen summit
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Oh it's a spread move

quaint crystal
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mhm

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I run it in my tsareena

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queenly majesty plus teeter dance helps disrupt early game set up

keen summit
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I thought it was a spinda signature move lmao

quaint crystal
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it used to be haha

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im not sure who else has it

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but tsareena’s movepool is kinda scraps

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so a country boy had to make do

keen summit
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Power whip is pretty strong especially with gterrain, albeit inaccurate

quaint crystal
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yeah the inaccuracy is my gripe w it

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its kinda embarassing for a dominatrix to miss with her whip

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like bro thats your job

keen summit
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I think you kinda have to run it as the grass move

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The next best thing is solar blade which is definitely good but you'll need to rebuild to factor sun in
And also it only works in sun lol

quaint crystal
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i think until we get a grass type w drought sun team is a no go😭

peak crypt
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I’d probably go for a Tailwind angle then with one of Shiftry or Brambleghast

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Rilla / Pon (Fire or Water imo) / Whimsicott / Shaymin-S / Sinistcha / one of the Wind Rider guys

quaint crystal
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no wo-chien D:

peak crypt
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the snail kind of sucks tbh

sly zealot
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can somone rate this team

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it's my first one

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Pelipper (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Soak
  • Weather Ball
  • Hurricane
  • Icy Wind

Kilowattrel (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunder
  • Hurricane
  • Weather Ball
  • Thunder Wave

Toxicroak (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Dry Skin
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature

  • Close Combat
  • Bullet Punch
  • Fake Out
  • Drain Punch

Overqwil @ Assault Vest
Ability: Swift Swim
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe

  • Barb Barrage
  • Crunch
  • Liquidation
  • Fell Stinger

Klefki (M) @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 160 Def / 100 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Reflect
  • Light Screen
  • Rain Dance
  • Dazzling Gleam

Tornadus @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Bleakwind Storm
  • Icy Wind
  • Tailwind
  • Taunt
red ingot
halcyon pantherBOT
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torpid moat
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overqwil, toxicroak, and kilowattrel are kinda just really weak mons

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so even with rain they're still not strong enough compared to waterpon and chien-pao

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rain got significantly weaker after arch ban, but a traditional team would be like peli/torn/waterpon/basc-f/lando-i

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here's a different one that's even less dedicated to rain, not even running peli because it's such a weak mon

torpid moat
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there's also too much overlap between eleki and raichu rolewise

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the team would be legitimately better if raichu and pin were removed for legit mons, eleki + bundle is more than sufficient speed control

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what you really want is more mons that can make use of that speed control

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like metagross, goltres, bax, heatran

red ingot
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ok thx

dusk dune
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Hello I just made this team capitalising on the Wind Rider ability. Kinda new to team building but found success in it. I'm just not sure how it can be improved

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also added Taunt of Ogerpon and Talonflame to possibly counter trick room

torpid moat
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you're just stacking too many grasses and birds

ashen pond
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Gaara (Tyranitar) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Protect
  • Thunder Wave
  • Knock Off
  • Body Press

Flying Dutchman (Excadrill) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Rock Slide
  • Poison Jab
  • Swords Dance

Simba (Landorus-Therian) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Atk / 64 Def / 100 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Smack Down
  • Earthquake
  • U-turn
  • Taunt

Mufasa (Necrozma-Dusk-Mane) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Prism Armor
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Atk / 100 Def / 44 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Sunsteel Strike
  • Photon Geyser
  • Iron Defense

Little Boy (Miraidon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Electro Drift
  • Overheat
  • Volt Switch
  • Dazzling Gleam

Rage Baiter (Amoonguss) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 140 Def / 132 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 28 Spe

  • Spore
  • Rage Powder
  • Pollen Puff
  • Clear Smog

I wanna use SS team hahaha looking for suggestions

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dusk dune
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I would just like to ask, I thought Shiftry was a better Pkm than Bram cos of its more diverse moveset. Why do you suggest to keep Brambleghast?

torpid moat
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ghost typing is also really valuable for dodging fake out and espeed

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but yeah to elaborate a little further, waterpon is fine, but talon is just a really bad mon after gale wings nerf, and typhlosion is only somewhat usable with an eruption set, physical makes no sense

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also torn should be sash too, and wants icy wind > heat wave

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and no dark pulse

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that should be protect

rough ember
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Yall, i made this team and kinda feeling good with it i climbed from 1k to 1.3k r there any flaws? Be sure to let me know. Thanks!

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torpid moat
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you're not even really getting any benefit from sand, you're aware the 1.5x spdef only applies to rock types, right?

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but yeah unfortunately koraidon or groudon existing just destroys your entire team

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you could arguably justify ttar for breaking sashes like on shadow rider + setting sr, but glimmora would really just be a better mon in that role, and the rest of the team shouldn't care about sand at all and just be inherently strong

torpid moat
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I also don't recommend using ursaluna outside the most dedicated of trick room teams, groudon is usually better otherwise

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miraidon/tornadus (better than whims)/groudon(clear amulet)/ice rider would be an okay starting 4

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if you want fake out there you'd pick incineroar, not rilla, because rilla will remove miraidon's eterrain

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and last would probably be some kind of arceus, if you're not running arc on a team it can almost always replace something

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normal ekiller arc, or fairy or dark wouldn't be bad here

rough ember
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But anyways thanks for the opinions. I will try them

torpid moat
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the only terrain that "supports" the rest of the team is psy terrain, as it blocks fake out and prio

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but it also weakens mirai and rilla

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while mirai and rilla are completely selfish for their terrain, nothing else benefits

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grassy terrain even halves the damage of earthquake for luna

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and if you're going to support a team with psy terrain, it should be using indeedee-f, not male, because female gets follow me and trick room which are very strong utility

rough ember
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I mean

torpid moat
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indeedee eforce is barely respectable damage in duu, much less dubers

rough ember
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I use male for helping cala and at same time do some dmg

torpid moat
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but ice rider is a physical attacker, there's no reason for it to be clicking eforce

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it would much rather have protect in one of its moveslots

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and if you're worried about intimidate, give it clear amulet instead of weakness policy

rough ember
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Oh yeah I didnt notice it having eforce

ashen pond
halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @hexed snow, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

hardy ruin
torpid moat
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sinistcha is similarly not good for this kind of ho, the healing is mostly irrelevant

hardy ruin
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I see

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If I replace ninetails with tornadus what should I do with sinestcha?

torpid moat
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still a redirector with follow me, but leaning more offensively

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also give you drago max spa

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the spdef is mostly irrelevant on it

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indeedee-f also wouldn't be bad there, for follow me + priority blocking

hardy ruin
torpid moat
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try dragon fang regidrago instead, with draco meteor > pulse and protect > tera blast, having protect on drago is really valuable

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also give torn bleakwind storm > knock off

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icy wind > u turn

hardy ruin
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alr ty for all the changes

torpid moat
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gl

tranquil walrus
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Anyway to send Pokémon showdown comp with just a link so I’m not just spamming them all out at once

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Kinda just curios on natures and IV splits don’t mind Cresselia I’m using her as a funny carry with Snow Veil stall

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Oops forgot to switch Syn Tera don’t mind that either

shrewd iron
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No need for icy rock, light clay to increase aurora veil turns is much more impactful

tranquil walrus
tranquil walrus
shrewd iron
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Ice beam calm mind cresselia I doubt it does meaningful damage

tranquil walrus
shrewd iron
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For the natures and the EVs I suggest you take a look smogon sets

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You can see them if you click on the button import/export on a Pokémon

tranquil walrus
shrewd iron
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Tera ice sounds fun but it's not the best tera, even if it gets the boost in defense by snow

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Ice has too many weaknesses

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But you can keep it, it's your team

tranquil walrus
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We just lose to crits das all so far

shrewd iron
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You haven't played high enough ladder then

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You'll see

tranquil walrus
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Tbf ye

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I’m just here to have fun

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Not trying to flex sorry about that haha

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But I’ll throw in ky

shrewd iron
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Mathematically it's better to invest first in HP and then in defenses and special defenses

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You get more bulk that way

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(talking about that incineroar)

tranquil walrus
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Gotcha gotcha thank ye

torpid moat
modern idol
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here's a team ive been making for the past several months with a friend of mine!

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what

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hold on

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forgot to copy and paste

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

modern idol
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my main goal is make it to the top 100 ladder, is there anything i can improve on?

torpid moat
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monwise, ting-lu can definitely be replaced for ursaluna, luna has more immediate power and works a lot better with cress

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having both cress and indeedee can also clash a lot, though I'm not sure which direction you wanna take the team

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usually it'd be like indeedee + necrozma for this kind of teamcomp for eforce

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because necro can actually hit gholdengo/kingambit with earth power

modern idol
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but also I really like strange sets (just as long as it works out)

torpid moat
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except cress doesn't receive any of the benefits of psychic terrain

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and stacks many weaknesses to make it setup fodder on a diancie indeedee team

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if you lead indeedee + cress someone can just fake out the cress

modern idol
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follow me goes before fake out.

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trust, there are several games where this has happened.

torpid moat
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it absolutely does not

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fm is +2, fake out is +3

modern idol
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That’s weird

torpid moat
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follow me is only +3 in gen 5

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maybe you're not facing good enough opponents

modern idol
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maybe?

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I have seen my indeedee use follow me before fake out for some reason.

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but that is a good point on you nonetheless

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there are definitely some flaws I have with my teams, which is why I came here to begin with.

torpid moat
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you could try sinistcha in cress slot instead, that's fairly common

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as long as indeedee is also given tr

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do you want me to edit it with that comp?

modern idol
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yeah, but what are you building off of this?

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what’s your plan to setup trick room?

torpid moat
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that's it, just sinistcha indeedee diancie plus fake out hands and other set improvements

modern idol
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so indeedee sets up trick room?

torpid moat
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all 3 can set tr yeah

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it won't be as simple as always picking indeedee cress, but you'll lose less resources if you tr lead correctly

modern idol
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I just feel like indeedee is too frail to be able to setup tr

torpid moat
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you just give it sitrus and pair it with a second setter or something

modern idol
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should I invest in def?

torpid moat
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indeedee often won't be clicking tr, but opp will have to contend with the possibility of either doing so

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yeah indeedee sucks offensively regardless

modern idol
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fair, can you possibly make a pokepaste of this?

torpid moat
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yeah that's what I was gonna do

modern idol
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ah okay.

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but my main goal in not only get to top 100 on the ladder, but also have an overall unique team that can be set apart from others

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like how that one guy won a tournament with scyther

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I know it’s not his favorite, but do you see a scyther in the vgc metagame at all?

torpid moat
modern idol
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oh wait

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I like this

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you swapped the roles of indeedee and cress (which is sinis now)

torpid moat
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ngl, your original team wasn't particularly unique either

modern idol
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ouch but fair

torpid moat
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cb ting lu is like slightly hipster but mostly just bad

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because it weakens your own attackers and stacks intim weak with hands

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clear amulet ting lu is seen sometimes, but on paonite comps instead

modern idol
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huh.

torpid moat
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it just doesn't make sense to run it on hard tr, its main strengths are defensive where hard tr is a HO archetype

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if you feel tr sets are still difficult, give diancie mental herb over lefties

modern idol
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what where i was going with ting is that I just needed a pokemon with a diverse movepool to hit certain mons with

torpid moat
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your original set was too low impact, defensive diancie needs body press to actually be an offensive tr setter

modern idol
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true

torpid moat
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if you don't want to go defensive , diancie normally does hard stone max attack diamond storm instead

modern idol
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honestly the only thing I wish was that my team was more unique, but it can only take you so far.

torpid moat
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and yeah you're allowed to have fake out hands even on psychic terrain, there are still useful targets to hit, or if terrain isn't up yet

modern idol
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I guess so

torpid moat
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also note that both sinistcha and indeedee are carrying redirection

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so even though they're defensive setters they can still have impact

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fairly blast volcanion is there for hitting common dragon teras, also sludge bomb hits the most common water in ogerpon-wellspring

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iron hands is actually the correct role you wanted on ting lu, it has much stronger moves it could be using, cc wild charge ice punch is good coverage

modern idol
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that’s fair.

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the only reason i actually had ting lu was because my older team was too weak to ground

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and I somehow landed on him…

torpid moat
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not sure how ting lu helps with ground weak though

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if you want that kinda comp there's bronzong diancie team that shows up in tours every now and then

modern idol
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how often is brozong even used in dou?

torpid moat
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very very low ladder usage, its main niche is completely walling lando-i and a few others

modern idol
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oh yeah that’s right up my alley

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who can I replace it with?

torpid moat
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I'll just give you that team

modern idol
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do you think it could be more diverse?

torpid moat
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you wouldn't run luna or volcanion or indeedee on it

modern idol
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wait wdym?

torpid moat
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on a bronzong team

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the whole point is to be very self-sufficient to not need as much support

modern idol
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was this team made beforehand?

torpid moat
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because it specifically dodges the most common tr disruption

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yeah, this is the comp I was talking about

modern idol
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ah.

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so I could replace it with indeedee?

torpid moat
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no, if you wanted to build a bronzong diancie team you'd start fresh and just make a different team

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since you don't need indeedee it just makes a lot of sense to have incineroar

modern idol
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well there goes that ship

torpid moat
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well, I'll let you know that common and good aren't the same thing

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there are tons of things commonly seen on ladder that are also quite bad

modern idol
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so does that mean

torpid moat
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necrozma is better than hatterene in almost way, but it sees very little ladder usage in comparison

modern idol
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wait necrozma isn’t in ubers??

torpid moat
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the regular necrozma

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not dusk mane/dawn wings

modern idol
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HOLD UP

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do you think I can make a team with mons like him in terms of usage?

torpid moat
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I mean, I guess?

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it really depends whether you're thinking in terms of absolute usage or tournament usage

modern idol
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absolute

torpid moat
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but regardless of the mons you pick, it'll end up being a very familiar-looking psyspam semiroom

modern idol
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wait you’re right…

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but like

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it’s different

torpid moat
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you should rethink what you consider unique or not imo

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many users think their skill swap or ngas gimmik is unique, too, but it's a common enough thing that it rolls around to being both common and bad

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that bronzong team is unique to me, it has a different style than traditional semiroom

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there's a few orthworm teams I'd grant the same label

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taking some semiroom team and cutting your iron hands for a pikachu (similar fake out attacker role) may seem unique too, but oftentimes it's just using uncommon mons in the same roles

modern idol
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so what you’re saying is that the mons or the strategy could be common, as long as the other is unique and good?

torpid moat
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yes, though I personally value unique strategies (that are actually effective) more

modern idol
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that’s fine by me

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so like what now

torpid moat
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learn how to build effective teams first, I guess

modern idol
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we talked so much my dum ahh brain zoned out 😭

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I guess I could use that team with sinistea and ursurluna

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but overall I really appreciate the conversation we had

torpid moat
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yw, btw feel free to check out the dou discord!

halcyon pantherBOT
modern idol
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thanks!!

vapid plaza
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Should i change some things?

torpid moat
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try liquidation/leech life/wide guard/protect with clear amulet, that way you actually beat incin like you're supposed to

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hatterene is only usable on psyspam, you'd be much better off with diancie in that slot here

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diancie + araq is a really strong pair because wide guard araq blocks ghold which is otherwise a huge problem for it

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diancie can run dark tera (ghost resist + prankster taunt immunity) covert cloak (fake out immunity) diamond storm/body press/trick room/protect

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cress on the other hand actually doesn't need protect, ally switch is more useful there so it's not complete dead weight

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also it needs to be 252 hp, it's almost always a lot more efficient to maximize hp on your mons before touching defenses

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same story with luna

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which can just run 252 hp 252 atk brave

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amoong needs max hp as well

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hands is one of the exceptions to this rule because of its disproportionately high hp and def stats, you want 252 atk 252 spdef on it

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also give it fake out/close combat/wild charge/ice punch, much more threatening that way

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if you still have trouble with the team after that, replace the amoonguss with follow me ogerpon-hearthflame

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who's a good fastmode for killing problem mons like amoong and gholdengo and kingambit, while still providing follow me

vapid plaza
torpid moat
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investing in hp just objectively gives you more overall bulk

vapid plaza
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Ok man ty 🙂

vapid plaza
torpid moat
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ah, I must've misread that

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psychic is fine, ally switch is good too

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regardless, it should be mental herb to block taunt

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amoonguss should also have sitrus berry, sitrus is more useful burst healing because doubles games are so fast paced

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and because it lets amoong redirect 2 attacks and survive sometimes where it otherwise wouldn't

vapid plaza
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Alr dude tysm

vapid plaza
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Dude araq learns entertainment that means i could give water bubble to gholdengo to be neutral to fire or give em to a water type attacker so that it has 2x boost to water and immune to will o wisp

torpid moat
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gholdengo is immune to entrainment, and doesn't get water moves

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I've legitimately tried entrainment araquanid in the past, there just aren't any good targets

vapid plaza
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Damn then i guess

normal aurora
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theres still one mon thats "good" that I have yet to try

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Tyranitar for some reason

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never really used him before

ashen pond
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Little Boy (Miraidon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Electro Drift
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Solar Beam
  • Volt Switch

Fat Man (Koraidon) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Dragon Claw
  • Close Combat
  • U-turn
  • Flare Blitz

Tinkerbell (Flutter Mane) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Shadow Ball
  • Moonblast
  • Icy Wind
  • Protect

Rage Baiter (Amoonguss) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Pollen Puff
  • Spore
  • Clear Smog
  • Rage Powder

Beyblade (Hitmontop) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 180 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Wide Guard
  • Fake Out
  • Helping Hand
  • Low Kick

Shaquille O'Neal (Iron Hands) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Fake Out
  • Drain Punch
  • Wild Charge
  • Iron Head

For gen 9 VGC Reg J
Hitmontop>Inceneroar here due to wide guard and low kick.

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What do yall think?

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Btw its a sun team js to label it HAHAHA

formal needle
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Hey I havent ever really played pokemon before and I have only played for a few weeks, but me and a bunch of buddies who are also new to this kinda stuff are making teams in a mini season into tournament type deal. How it works is you draft 8 pokemon between the 8 of us and you are stuck between those 8 for the whole season. You can change items moves and whatnot and you can bring whatever 4 (I think its actually 6 next season) you want to each map

Im planning out my draft atm and I am looking for some feedback because I dont know what im doing tbh

rules:
Gen 7 doubles OU
1 mega
1 legendary
no repeats of last season

Current team
https://pokepast.es/ae31cae867ccbfdd

Other mons I have been debating are:
Blastoise: fakeout and follow me (not at the same time sadly) [over slowbro]
Aegislash: die fairy types! [replace trick mode]
Talonflame: guaranteed tailwind [replace trick mode]
Jumpluff: rage powder support mon [replace venusaur]
Sableye: prankster silly [replace trick mode]

hoping to hear if there is something I can change around that still works with potentially some follow me or fakeout pressure

brittle spade
formal needle
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the problem with the sample teams is due to the legendary spam

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I did originally start with a team that had kommo kartana pory charizard with other pieces like tapu koko and landorus

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so I subbed koko for ninetales and landorus for krook

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and picked up another trickroom mon with water coverage in slowbro and venusaur for that grass poison to keep the tapus in check

brittle spade
brittle spade
# formal needle the problem with the sample teams is due to the legendary spam

unironically you're making it harder for yourselves by restricting legendaries since a lot of strong regular mons don't have any answers anymore. Like there are zero viable electric mons in the tier aside from legendaries and megas.
you should most definitely grab blastoise and maybe a rock type too like rhyperior or rhydon. you don't need both slowbro and p2. aegislash is fine too

formal needle
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now I do know that someone is making a trick room team

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and my team is already super weak to fighting

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so maybe aegislash over p2?

brittle spade
formal needle
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true

formal needle
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from what I can see there are only a handful of fliers and they all bar talonflame struggle into ninetales

brittle spade
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thats why a lot of sun teams fit diancie

lament kite
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Any1 wanna see my kyogre team?

formal needle
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what about kommo

brittle spade
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kommoo resists fire yes, rock types are able to hit them for super effective damage

formal needle
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hm

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what about raichu?

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I get fakeout pressure water coverage flying coverage

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not fire

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shoot

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I have weakness policy rhyperior atm

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im trying to find something that doesnt blow up to a special water move
yes its sun but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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I havent messed around with weather yet so im not sure if its actually something I can depend on

brittle spade
brittle spade
formal needle
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true

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what do I do against a trickroom team

lament kite
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Kyogre: Water spout, Choice spcs

Hatterene: Draining kiss/ Calm mind/ Baton pass/ Trick room, Focus sash

Cresselia: Helping hand/ Psychic/ Trick room/ Future sight, Leftovers

Porygon2: Discharge/Tri attack/ Trick room/ Ice beam, Eviolite

Ursaluna: Bulldoze/ Facade/ Crunch/ Curse, Flame orb

Amoonguss: Spore/ Pollen puff/ Giga drain/ Clear smog, Focus sash

The goal is to send Calm mind to Kyogre, Trick room is an big part, and all the pokemon has -speed natures and minimum speed

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Doubles Ubers

brittle spade
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protect

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and target the TR setter

lament kite
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Hat. Has magic bounce

brittle spade
lament kite
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Im on 1300 elo

formal needle
brittle spade
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yes

formal needle
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hm

lament kite
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Eloc? What do you think about my team?

formal needle
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id put the herb that prevents status on the cress for consistency

lament kite
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I lead hatterene and amoonguss

formal needle
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Ive also never played ubers

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oh I missed hat

lament kite
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Hat has mgic bounce

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If you dont double amoong, both ur pkmn will be spored

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Cuz trick room first turn

formal needle
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in doubles I have found out that teams that require setup that last more than a turn or 2 in doubles is too inconsistent to pull off

brittle spade
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that team just straight up loses to miraidon groudon

formal needle
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any heatwave spam over 2 rounds and your plan dies

lament kite
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Miraidon is pretty big counter

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I agree, electro terrain is harsh

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But pollen puff heals me

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Any1?

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Wanna battle this team?

formal needle
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healing is pretty bad in doubles

lament kite
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Wanna battle?

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Just for fun?

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My showdown name is the same

formal needle
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I have never played ubers

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I dont have a team

lament kite
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Will you make an team?

brittle spade
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you can challenge me if you want

lament kite
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Rat first, then elo can make an team

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Ok

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Rat, my name on showdown is the same as discord

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Rat?

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what is your name on showdown

brittle spade
lament kite
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Cool charecter, the mew is fun

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Ggs

formal needle
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can I post images here?

lament kite
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Idk