Adapt ability gives it the extra power that it needs but then you are lacking speed so scarf is required but id you opt for swift swim you can also opt for a choiced item as in specs or band (go with band) making you not only faster but also stronger
#Smogon Doubles Rates
rose juniper
peak crypt
Big Poliwrath holy shit
rose juniper
The other reason why basc is great is because of its move last respects
Which is phyisical
So its almost always worth it to run basc phyisical just because of that move
Id say those are the main ways I would change it but if you want help with any of the sets or there is anything else feel free to @ me
pulsar sinew
As a competitive player myself it's very underwhelming as it's traits aren't merely enough to help it.
It especially struggles against waterpon.
And heavily relies on rain.
When Ninetails exists and Torn that run sunny day it's not going to be easy to keep rain.
vestal goblet
As a competitive player myself it's very underwhelming as it's traits aren't mer...
yea when i typed it i could tell why it was UU
pulsar sinew
It's eventually going to drop to DNU.
It's just that bad. Even in DUU
Remember the DLC had recently dropped so after this month it's dropping.
Again.
rose juniper
Dnu doesn't exist
pulsar sinew
Dnu doesn't exist
It's tagged as (DUU)
pulsar sinew
You can.
It's just not a playable tier.
I read the usage stats for Doubles are there is a DNU.
vestal goblet
what set would u recommend for zapdos
rose juniper
Personally im a big fan of something like 248 hp/ 252sp atk/ 8spdef with sharp beak modest but ik that that is quite a weird offensive set I am just a big fan off so you could also go more defensive and less offensive if you want, its a bit of a prefrence case id say
But I would always use these 4 moves
Tailwind
Hurricane
Thunder
Volt switch or protect
I prefer volt switch but protect is also certainly very nice
rose juniper
Yeah it never hurts to have more TW setters
Especially since peli is your rain setter you wanna be careful with him
And keep him in the back until rain stops
Also dw to much about ogerpon, you can play around it if you have to and if you got your speed control up zap should be able to take care of it
Its annoying but certainly not unbeatable
And if you are still worried you could also just put poison jab on poli
Idk the calc but im sure it does quite a bit if not an ohko
azure plank
Been making an OU trick room team to use against my friend and hopefully try and use on ladder, I'm hardstuck at 1300+ when playing with it and wondering how to improve it.
Notes: Openers are usually Indeedee + Iron Hands to set up trick room and belly drum to heal up with sitrus + drain punch to sweep the team while also retargeting with follow me. The other usual opener is Cresselia + Ursuluna in case I think the former is too risky being able to boost with helping hand or do ally switch shenanigans against the opponent. Hatterene is supposed to double as another setter and backup sweeper late game and Flutter is just when trick room is impossible to set up and last resort sweeper to gain leverage to either end the game or provide a leeway for trick room to be set.
https://pokepast.es/afa04a6dbce37f74
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peak crypt
you’re pretty close but there’s a few moveset changes to be made
Hatterene sucks but that’s the only thing I actively dislike here
I think you could replace it with something pretty generic like Volcanion and you’ll get a lot more wiggle room in games where you can’t safely set Trick Room
I think both Iron Hands and Ursaluna should drop Heavy Slam; +6 Thunder Punch and Guts-boosted STABs will hit everything hard enough already
Protect on Hands and either Earthquake or Shadow Claw on Ursaluna
And probably Tera Fire on Hands rather than Steel to avoid burns; likewise, Ursaluna prefers Normal because it gets rid of more weaknesses than Ground
Cresselia is missing Lunar Blessing, which is the single biggest reason to use Cresselia; I would drop either Ally Switch or Helping Hand
Cress also likes Safety Goggles to completely dumpster Amoonguss
as for EV spreads, I would just check the Smogon strategy dex for better spreads on Cress and Indeedee
252 Def 252 SpD is pretty inefficient on both
azure plank
I've always preferred mental herb because taunt gets annoying
peak crypt
(You can just rip Assault Vest Volcanion straight from the dex too)
Most Taunts these days are from Tornadus, who can’t Taunt your Indeedee
and with Volcanion you’ll have a little more ability to play outside of TR too
last change I’d make is just to make Flutter Mane Timid with Choice Specs
Tera Fairy, Dazzling Gleam and Power Gem over Thunderbolt and Mystical Fire
Booster Energy for SpA has seen some tournament play but I think it’s a little less consistent than Timid, and consistency is important for ladder play
and it telegraphs that you’re not very fast so stuff like Roaring Moon gets to click Knock Off without fear
azure plank
Should I switch Indeedee's mental herb off too?
So I made a revised team now incorporating all the changes, can I post it here? (Only asking because I'm aware of the extra ping that would happen)
rose juniper
I believe that we wom't get pinged
Since it gives us only 1 ping per 6 hours for a paste
@azure plank
azure plank
Ah, thank you for the information!
I implemented the changes as well as changing the EV spreads of most of the Pokemon accordingly to what smogon suggested
https://pokepast.es/fbff732bac991357
rose juniper
Id say it looks pretty good to me
It should def be able to get you out of the 1300s
azure plank
Good to know! Thanks for help!!
pulsar sinew
Wait. Why is hisuian Arcanine not good in DOU when it sees often success in VGC?
peak crypt
it suffers a bit from the length of DOU games
similar to Gyarados and some other assorted Pokemon
you do just enough to be good in a 4v4 but you can't survive long enough in 6v6
and you don't have to bring it to bad matchups in 4v4
that being said, it's starting to pick up in DOU too
brittle spade
Thank you arcticblast for the insight
pulsar sinew
that being said, it's starting to pick up in DOU too
I'm going to guess it's because of Fire pon?
peak crypt
partly but I also think general demand for Intimidate has gone up, and Harc is the second best at it right now
has a good matchup into Snow stuff too
warm mica
Yeah might think about replacing Lando-t with Harc even if I trade one quad weakness for 2
pulsar sinew
Yeah might think about replacing Lando-t with Harc even if I trade one quad weak...
Also nice Pincrew pfp.
warm mica
I have had success with Lando T here and there, haven't run into much in the way of the loyal three or even much Ogerpon forms
I mean maybe I can use sash on Lando or Harc just so I can guarantee rocks and an attack on LandoT
Or I can change to a different stealth rock user
If I use Kleavor i might have to run it with Tailwind support just to out speed something that might threaten it
Haven't seen many spinners in DOU though
peak crypt
Kleavor is kind of rough tbh
pulsar sinew
I have had success with Lando T here and there, haven't run into much in the way...
Are you low ladder? That may be why you don't see them often.
And Samurot and Kleavor have fallen due to the Ogerpons in the metagamem
peak crypt
Nah Ogerpon isn’t their biggest problem
Kleavor is super dependent on its items for stats and still has a really weak defensive typing, and Samurott loses to both Flutter Mane and Iron Hands
They’re both great into Cresselia, but Cresselia’s popularity has gone down, so their best matchup has become less common
pulsar sinew
Now I wonder, what type of team does Harc thrive in? Tailwind? Like in VGC?
warm mica
yeah i'm very low ladder because i use showdown for other reasons like theory crafting sets
i've also been meaning to face off against my friends in ecology circles and my girlfriend
so i take it my girl cress is falling off because of Sinistcha?
i mean not completely to find niches in DUU but enough of a fall off for Sinistcha to be more useful?
peak crypt
Sinistcha doesn’t really have much to do with it
The meta is just faster and more aggressive now
And the teams that Cress likes to be on aren’t as good
warm mica
ah
warm mica
competition for cleric
peak crypt
Teal Mask added Sinistcha, Clefairy, and Alolan Ninetales, all of which want to support bulky setup sweepers like SD Iron Hands
So Cress isn’t just the default best choice for that role any more
warm mica
and then there's farigaraf who can shut down priority entirely if a set up sweep needs secondary ways to be enabled
placid rose
@peak crypt balls
polar lotus
https://pokepast.es/8ec9c3a54cb6b823 anyonw wanna rate it
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peak crypt
Walking Wake is mediocre and there's almost zero reason to use Murkrow over Tornadus
the rest of the Pokemon choices are fine
I actually think you want a Trick Room setter more than Tailwind here
it helps you more against opposing Tailwind and lets Amoonguss and Torkoal get some more work done
I can't stick around so I'm phoning a friend
@remote edge
slim ermine
@swift fog post it here
swift fog
pulsar sinew
The team has many mons that are unviable.
I'd recommend using sample team to get a grip of the metagame see what's good or not.
peak crypt
doubles play tends to have a higher bar for viability from your Pokemon
it's harder to make worse stuff work
torpid moat
actually I'd argue you can do more with worse mons in doubles viability wise
it's just that pikachu and poliwrath just suck, especially on a rain that hard loses to rilla
tight spire
yeah I think its easier to get away with more niche mons in DOU than in singles, but you still need to make sure that mon actually works
polar lotus
Walking Wake is mediocre and there's almost zero reason to use Murkrow over Torn...
The reason I wanted to use murkrow was because if prankster haze
pulsar sinew
The reason I wanted to use murkrow was because if prankster haze
First off, Haze was used to keep Dondozo in check.
But Tatsugeri is banned, so there's no reason to even need Crow.
broken pike
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broken pike
Doubles team I made
torpid moat
https://pokepast.es/876433177c9cc56d
team here is pretty gimmicky, regidrago/torn/chi yu 3 is workable, but the ceruledge is just not a good mon compared to ogerpon-hearthflame and goltres requires too much support
As for other support to use, you were correct to try to tech really hard against trick room, but I think you'd be better off just having an imprison farigiraf on the team instead
blocking priority should be really important for preserving regidrago's hp
the other big thing you need to worry about is flutter, which beats drago pretty hard, booster spe being faster than it in tailwind, and I think the tanky sets should live tera steel flash cannon easily
broken pike
I already removed Goltres
torpid moat
try adding a flutter of your own, and maybe rilla last
so drago/torn/chi yu/farig/flutter/rilla
broken pike
From testing I learned that terra steel terablast wont kill 😐
torpid moat
yup
broken pike
But thanks for the advice
torpid moat
you're really better off just making it specs and running farig next to it
broken pike
okay
torpid moat
also against truly fast teams you can use trick room with farig
broken pike
also against truly fast teams you can use trick room with farig
or against other tornadus teams
broken pike
so drago/torn/chi yu/farig/flutter/rilla
Never used Rilla before, what kind of set do I run?
oh yeah these mons work much better
thanks man
torpid moat
Never used Rilla before, what kind of set do I run?
try fake out/grassy glide /wood hammer/u turn
max hp max atk
also I changed my mind dragon fang drago is prob fine, just run dragon energy/draco meteor/earth power/protect, maybe dragon tera
broken pike
also I changed my mind dragon fang drago is prob fine, just run dragon energy/dr...
okay
broken pike
try fake out/grassy glide /wood hammer/u turn
Im running AV is that okay?
torpid moat
yup I forgot to say av
broken pike
https://pokepast.es/198ccba0345d413c So is this good now?
peak crypt
Farigiraf wants attacks
probably just Psychic and Dazzling Gleam with Tera Fairy instead of Helping Hand and Protect
Tera Dark isn't great defensively because you give yourself a Flutter weakness and only flip your Dark weakness
and you are already immune to Prankster moves because of Armor Tail
broken pike
Helping hand is clutch sometimes but you right
peak crypt
Taunt Chi-Yu sounds fun but you definitely don't need triple Taunt; I'd just switch Flutter to Dazzle / Shadow Ball / Moonblast / Protect
broken pike
I just gave Tornadus an ability sheild for anti Geezing
broken pike
Taunt Chi-Yu sounds fun but you definitely don't need triple Taunt; I'd just swi...
Ok
Wait does Geezing bypass shield or no?
peak crypt
Ability Shield works against Neutralizing Gas, yes
peak crypt
stop
placid rose
Sorry
torpid moat
try specs flutter and covert cloak torn instead
harsh temple
Hatterene @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Bounce
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Def / 124 SpA / 68 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Trick Room
- Heal Pulse
- Dark Pulse
- Dazzling Gleam
Torkoal @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 141 SpA / 91 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Rock Slide
- Heat Wave
- Will-O-Wisp
- Solar Beam
Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Ice Spinner
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
Skeledirge @ Assault Vest
Ability: Blaze
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Torch Song
- Shadow Ball
- Earth Power
- Tera Blast
Brute Bonnet @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 180 SpD
Careful Nature
- Protect
- Close Combat
- Spore
- Sucker Punch
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon (M) @ Shell Bell
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blood Moon
- Earth Power
- Focus Blast
- Vacuum Wave
pulsar sinew
Hatterene @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Bounce
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy ...
Pokepaste please.
Makes it easier to rate.
spice shoal
It can be a hail sweeper with battle bond or can be support.
pulsar sinew
It can be a hail sweeper with battle bond or can be support.
Too late. Oger is here and grens life in doubles is hell.
pulsar sinew
Wait is that shit faster than gren?
No, but it eats its hits.
And kills it with grass STAB.
And does many things gren can't and has a much better defensive typing.
Greninja never had a niche in doubles to it hitting weakly and never really have good bulk.
And even with bond it's not enough to give it a niche.
It has to be an immediate threat.
peak crypt
Greninja isn't strong enough to beat DOU's bulky threats and it isn't fast enough to beat DOU's fast threats
and Rillaboom makes its life hell
Mat Block was never very good either
harsh temple
main dou
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harsh temple
Pokepaste please.
Ok I did
harsh temple
main dou
https://pokepast.es/8c1f27d4f835dfd9
^
harsh temple
Yep
rose juniper
id say the main improvements are in swaping out some of the pokemon and id also chance some of the sets
any specific mons you wanna keep?
harsh temple
any specific mons you wanna keep?
The hat the alligator and torkoal
pulsar sinew
And its difficult to go for fullroom.
rose juniper
oke in that case I would remove azu and brute first of all
azu in sun is already not that great but azu also just doesn't have enough power to make it worth running in the current meta
harsh temple
Alright
I still need a counter to dragon types. Since most of the time they target my hat.
rose juniper
brute is also just a little underwhelming in power and in terms of the support it offers
amoonguss is better aldo I don't fully recommend that either
harsh temple
brute is also just a little underwhelming in power and in terms of the support i...
Yeah. I was thinking of running amoongus
harsh temple
amoonguss is better aldo I don't fully recommend that either
Oh
rose juniper
I still need a counter to dragon types. Since most of the time they target my ha...
but doesn't hat kinda already deal with dragons?
harsh temple
but doesn't hat kinda already deal with dragons?
Even with a high, special attack it usually dies on the first or second turn since people want to target
It’s my only mon with trick room so if they get that out of the way, it’s easier to handle my team
rose juniper
but why specificly dragons?
harsh temple
GEN nine pseudo really kicks my ass sometimes
rose juniper
It’s my only mon with trick room so if they get that out of the way, it’s easier...
yeah thats an other thing I would highly advise to run atleast 2 setters on a TR team
harsh temple
yeah thats an other thing I would highly advise to run atleast 2 setters on a TR...
Any recommendations?
rose juniper
eitherway lets start with the mons first
harsh temple
GEN nine pseudo really kicks my ass sometimes
Also walking wake
rose juniper
yeah I would say that indeedee is a good option
not only does it have TR but it also has redirection for your hat
harsh temple
Alright then
rose juniper
and sets psychic terrain boosting the damage on psychic type moves
which hat can benefit from
harsh temple
Ok. I have one replacement. I still need one more.
Since I’m replacing Azu,and brute bonnet
rose juniper
how about this
I make a quick blue print/basis for your team and ill explain why I did what
and you can tell me if you like it
harsh temple
harsh temple
and you can tell me if you like it
Ok I’ll get on showdown now
rose juniper
I just putted this together real quick
but it should be a better basis
ill start with the mon changes
I swapped azu and bonnet out for indeedee and hands
since you are struggeling with getting up TR I opted to go with indeedee
harsh temple
Oh. I used iron hands on my old team.
rose juniper
who can provide redirection with follow me and has trick room of its own
which should help with getting trickroom up
then I putted on hands since your team does lack in offense quite a bit
and hands is almost the perfect trickroom pokemon
slow, super strong and super bulky
rose juniper
while the team isn't perfect (partially since hat and skel aren't that great but if you like em you should go with it)
id say it should be better now
I also chanced some of the sets
you had some unoptimal items that didn't really help you that much like for example shell bell on ursaluna
so I changed those items out for other items that offer your pokemon more and are just a bit more optimal/viable
I also changed your movesets a bit
since you gave torkoal for example moves like rockslide (a move torkoal can't do any real damage with) or wisp (not a bad move but certainly not optimal or a good use of a turn for torkoal) and I gave it eruption instead which should give it a real damage output under trickroom
your dirge set seemed fine so I didn't touch that
if there is anything else just @ me
have a nice evening
harsh temple
have a nice evening
You to man👍🙏
mild shell
hi can i post doubles teams here
tardy bear
hi can i post doubles teams here
Yes
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mild shell
i need some help with the team
peak crypt
Slaking isn’t even a good Pokémon without an ability
There is no way around this
It’s just bad
polar lotus
https://pokepast.es/80d9f8415504636f (Main Bois)
https://pokepast.es/ede5ec359f3a9d33 (Secondary picks)
which team is better?
dire flint
there's zero reason to use murkrow over tornadus on the first team
clear amulet is also not a good item for flutter mane
team 1 is definitely better than 2, 2 has 3 duu mons
torpid moat
both seem rather bad yeah but the flutter team has better mons
wake is also really meh
plush otter
With the team improvements you have suggested, I am grateful to say that I have broken the top 100 players with that team, so I wanted to give a quick thank you for helping me out
swift rover
https://pokepast.es/98ce3aa34557211d i dont do doubles but i tried here
dire flint
With the team improvements you have suggested, I am grateful to say that I have ...
Nice! I'm glad that my advice helped
dire flint
https://pokepast.es/98ce3aa34557211d i dont do doubles but i tried here
your team already looks pretty good, I'd recommend taking knock off on ogerpon for follow me though, and making the heatran tera fairy instead of tera grass
also if you don't mind me asking what's the purpose of your current ogerpon spread?
usually they run max speed to beat ninetales-alola
tardy bear
i stole a vgc set idk lol
The calc is for Urshifu (which iirc is banned), but even then, with lvl 100 it's not relevant
spice shoal
https://pokepast.es/f40fbfc92e7b83c9 how is this sun team?
tardy bear
https://pokepast.es/f40fbfc92e7b83c9 how is this sun team?
Typhlosion and Thundurus are in particular not great
You'd get more value from a more reliable offensive mon like Chi Yu or Ogerpon Hearthflame and a better speed control option in Tornadus or Cresselia
main bolt
https://pokepast.es/b19b7ca92e18d907 - this is a team one of my friends recommended i use, what do you guys think of it?
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peak crypt
your friend should learn to build better teams
main bolt
whats wrong with it?
peak crypt
Indeedee Armarouge is fine but the rest of the Pokemon really just aren't great
this is a rough list of viable Pokemon in DOU
you can win with others but it's going to be really difficult
and all of the sets on this team are pretty bad too; Indeedee and Armarouge only need small changes but the others aren't so good
when your Pokemon don't have a lot of oomph to them, you're going to have a hard time answering the bigger threats
even when you have answers, those answers need to be able to put up a fight
like you can use Tera Steel to make Altaria survive Flutter Mane Moonblast, but it's not like the Altaria is impacting the game in any other way and it still doesn't even beat Flutter
trail iron
Do someone have a hyper offensive team?
main bolt
How do I choose which Pokémon to choose for replacements, do I just try a bunch till I find some that work?
peak crypt
since this is a team you were given, rather than a team you built yourself, it's going to be hard to find replacements
and there's no replacement for the Altaria because the Altaria doesn't actually do anything
I would honestly just recommend using one of the sample teams for now https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/
but all of the active sample teams have Rillaboom, so if you don't want to use Rillaboom we can work on something here
pulsar sinew
I would honestly just recommend using one of the sample teams for now https://ww...
All these teams are somewhat outdated or don't work for my playstyle.
peak crypt
I was talking to Rozz not you
the three outside of the hide tags are all updated for the current meta though
everything in the hide tags is outdated, yes, that's why they don't show up immediately
trail iron
Do someone have a hyper offensive team?
@peak crypt are there any in the sample link?
peak crypt
the first one
main bolt
I would honestly just recommend using one of the sample teams for now https://ww...
thank you! I picked the kommo-o set up team and played a game with it but im not too sure how its meant to be played.
peak crypt
the goal is to use Grassy Terrain, Clefairy, and Sinistcha to keep Kommo-o alive
main bolt
should i be trying to use Clangorous soul multiple times or just once?
or is it circumstancial?
trail iron
Ok thanks
peak crypt
it's good to use it more than once, but not twice in a row
like weave in a Drain Punch
it's not a super easy team to play, to be fair
main bolt
the biggest problem ive faced so far is chien-pao, i have been dealing with it with my ursaluna but the rest of my team seems very week to it
any suggestions?
torpid moat
for that team specifically you have to tera fire the kommo for it, pair with follow me clef
main bolt
so should i lead kommo and clefairy into chien-pao teams incase they lead with it?
torpid moat
so should i lead kommo and clefairy into chien-pao teams incase they lead with i...
no, you should save it and position until you need it for pao
you don't need both kommo and clef either to beat pao specifically, but clef is on the team to support pao
tera + tr sinistcha is another option
or clef + sinistcha into luna
ocean python
i am very new to teambuilding so i would appreciate any tips https://pokepast.es/b9af7a7b3ac73d38
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peak crypt
lmao
you are probably looking for https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059653209678950460
ocean python
i was indeed
charred marten
whats up
brittle spade
the sky
grizzled pumice
Ok
I thunk I got it right this time
https://pokepast.es/f22ab519560d9d34 how am I looking. Ive been doing well btu trick room steamrolls me...
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brittle spade
https://pokepast.es/f22ab519560d9d34 how am I looking. Ive been doing well btu ...
You replace meow, murkrow and volcarona by rillaboom flutter mane and tornadus and you got yourself a team
And replace zapdos by chien pao
Try this : https://pokepast.es/f68f0351f5ca898f
grizzled pumice
I'll try it but I would like to keep meow meow as it's my favorite mon
And volcarona
They are awesome.
I can see replacing the rest with their better counterpart
torpid moat
meow is kinda just worse than rillaboom or ogerpon in pretty much every scenario, but it's your decision
grizzled pumice
Can I ask why ogerpon somewhat bulky?
I( get the speed boost it doesnt need speed but wouldnt it be better to put it ionto attack?
its still gonna get oneshot by most things no?
torpid moat
that one is follow me ogerpon, which does actually have significant bulk if you invest
you don't need as much attack as you'd think to be threatening
but yeah its main role is to protect volcarona and others with follow me
grizzled pumice
iu see
So would I be using terra on ogerpon most of the time? Shouldnt I replace dragonite then since the terra is what makes espeed so good?
Soemthing that doesnt require a terra to do loads of damage
grizzled pumice
terra for extra bulk no?
i see it doesnt really need it after usingt it
dmn that follow me is so annoying to people lmao'
grizzled pumice
anyway for me to just say no to trick room or is a hyper offensive team always gonna be weak to it
torpid moat
just play around it
ratpacker's team does have a few tools, namely taunt plus the av volcanion
and follow me
if you still feel bad vs it, cut the zapdos for an iron hands
brittle spade
Tr just needs to be stalled
If there's no diancie Zapdos is bulky enough to just click roost a bunch
brittle spade
I'll try it but I would like to keep meow meow as it's my favorite mon
Here's the thing, meow meow and volcarona are both suboptimal mons, they can put in work but they need a lot of support
You won't be able to put them both on a team AND win a bunch
Unless you just fill your team with answers to tornadus, diancie and physical attackers and run a support volcarona with willowisp
grizzled pumice
Here's the thing, meow meow and volcarona are both suboptimal mons, they can put...
True. I put meow meow back in instead of flutter mane because she's a very good counter to popular stuff like salt monster and she can oneshot TR users with knock off plus diancie weak to her etc
It's been going well
Volcanion seems to be my weak link now for some odd reason. Volcarona has been hitting harder and I've been able to get more quiver dances off with follow me on ogerpon
Does I might swap volcanion for another follow me with maybe Wide guard
Only problem I've really been facing is iron hands because of fake out and its typing is hard for me to kill quickly.
ruby sail
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True. I put meow meow back in instead of flutter mane because she's a very good ...
Garganacl hasn't been popular since before Pokemon Home compatibility got added
that guy is deep in Doubles UU
peak crypt
Sneasler is mediocre and Hisuian Braviary is downright bad
and all of your EVs seem really random
peak crypt
thoughts?
I want you walk me through the process of building this team
what did you start with? what ideas did you have? why did you make these choices? what's the goal of the team?
ruby sail
what did you start with? what ideas did you have? why did you make these choices...
I wanted to make a team w/ sneasler, and I love shell smash+stored power, as well as unburden acrobatics grassy seed
peak crypt
your team has no Shell Smash and Braviary has no boosting moves
ruby sail
and the goal of the team iss to show that sneasler is alright
ooooooooooops
ahh crap my brain stopped braining
better?
peak crypt
we're cutting the Braviary
there is genuinely no redeeming that Pokemon, it's just not good
that slot would be better served with something that aids Kommo-o
and more specifically, something else that beats the hell out of Flutter Mane
queen willow
If you rly wanna keep harcanine i think av harc can decently support kommo
peak crypt
it is in fact a little better
now tell me what all six of your EV spreads do @ruby sail
quiet obsidian
https://pokepast.es/72eaf1a7f9290eb3
After the third time i finally have the right thread (hopefully😭)
Please lmk any questions comments or concerns you have aBout ny team
torpid moat
https://pokepast.es/72eaf1a7f9290eb3
After the third time i finally have the r...
if you did mean Doubles Ubers, I'll tell you it's actually completely legal in Doubles OU, a lower format
this channel can help with both doubles ubers and doubles ou, btw
and yeah you have too many electric types for one thing
and your movesets could use a lot of work
what members of the team do you like/want to focus on?
quiet obsidian
Ik its 2 electric types but i really like iron hand rotom wash and sinistcha the as a core
torpid moat
you have 3 though
hands and sinistcha work well together but wash as a mon is in a really bad place
it has weak stats and is completely ruined by rillaboom and ogerpon
you can try volcanion instead maybe
you should also put trick room on the sinistcha instead of stun spore
if you wanna build hands + sinistcha together
quiet obsidian
HMMM
i tried sinistcha and torkal and i didnt like it but i didnt think of it with the hands
im pretty new to this stuff
but im pretty sure gliscor is in ou and theyre one of my favorite mons do you know any set that could fit with hand and sinistcha
peak crypt
Gliscor doesn't really do do anything in DOU
as a reminder, OU and DOU have completely separate tiering
Lando-T is really good in this format
Gliscor doesn't really do any of the things that Lando-T does and it also doesn't really beat Lando-T
so it tends to fall to the wayside
quiet obsidian
what do you think would be a good set for a trick room landorus t
ruby sail
now tell me what all six of your EV spreads do <@938104295449034782>
give them bulk, speed and power
torpid moat
give them bulk, speed and power
you give them bulk more efficiently by putting all of the evs into hp and nothing into def or spdef
there are only a few cases where this isn't true
you're also running a sash on an arcanine with both a lot of bulk investment and a flare blitz
putting life orb on kommo that's already sacrificing hp also seems like a bad idea
ruby sail
I meant to give kommo-o throat spray
ruby sail
what do you think would be a good set for a trick room landorus t
Using a different tr mon
peak crypt
Lando-T isn’t a Pokémon really built for Trick Room, it’s just a generic good Pokémon; the bulky EV spread on the dex analysis should do just fine
peak crypt
give them bulk, speed and power
All of these spreads look like you just moved the sliders around until the numbers looked pretty. EV spreads should be made with purpose - you want to outspeed specific things, or take specific KOs, or survive specific hits. Otherwise, there’s usually no reason to not just be 252/252/4 on everything.
For an example: a while back I built a Flutter Mane EV spread for someone in this channel, and ended up with a spread that does three specific things:
56 HP / 192 Def / 196 SpA / 64 Spe
Timid Nature
This spread outspeeds base 111 Pokémon like Tornadus, survives a Flash Cannon from Modest Heatran, and hits a high enough Special Attack stat to get a SpA boost with Protosynthesis in sun. Then I dumped the leftover EVa in Defense to patch up its low physical bulk
wild bone
https://pokepast.es/c71b1f5e171736d2
Is this team any good?
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peak crypt
This team is kind of all over the place
You have two competing weathers, you want to spam a Fire move with a Pelipper on your team, Indeedee Arma doesn’t really benefit from snow, and there’s a Dachsbun
wild bone
I saw that one daschbun well bakes body lava plume set on YouTube and I wanted to try it out
Maybe I should replace ninetales
peak crypt
It is only good against people who are bad unfortunately
Though to be honest the biggest problem is the Pelipper here
At best it’s not helping and at worst it’s actively making the team worse
wild bone
It is only good against people who are bad unfortunately
Now I feel like YouTubers are lying about their sets and the other players are staged
That they use in their vids
peak crypt
Some of them do, some of them just make their videos super early in the generation before people have learned what things do
And some of them are just things that work a little better in VGC where you can just not bring the cheese set to a bad matchup
wild bone
Is glimmora a good replacement for pelipper?
peak crypt
But again, let’s keep the dog for now and cut the Pelipper
I was going to just say Ogerpon-Wellspring
wild bone
OK
peak crypt
It’s more or less the best Water type in the format
wild bone
It’s more or less the best Water type in the format
OK
Is my team good now?
peak crypt
The individual sets need a lot of work
Indeedee can’t really use Fake Out with Psychic Surge but you need terrain for Armarouge
wild bone
I replaced fake out with hyper voice
peak crypt
The Lando set is just… not good, a lot of your EVs are all over the place, and everything could just generally use some optimization
wild bone
Any better sets for Lando?
peak crypt
Give me a few minutes and I can just straight up recreate with these six Pokémon
wild bone
Ok
peak crypt
I slowed down Indeedee and Armarouge to take advantage of Trick Room and moved Dachsbun’s EVs all into bulk
The dog isn’t a very good attacker on its own so it’s not really worth it to invest in Attack, and it’s not like Attack EVs make Body Press do more damage
Lando-T is now Scarf so you can outrun stuff like Chi-Yu and Flutter Mane without needing to click Trick Room
Ninetales does what Ninetales does best (click Aurora Veil) and Ogerpon is clicking Swords Dance
SD Oger with Ninetales and Indeedee support will be a really good backup plan should Armarouge and Dachsbun fail
peak crypt
As far as Indeedee’s EVs go: investing in HP before defenses is best on pretty much every single Pokémon
It only stops “working” on Pokémon with huge HP stats and lower defenses - think stuff like Hariyama and Farigiraf
queen willow
https://pokepast.es/b449c598245acb1b
Horn attack ogerpon
polar lotus
IDK thought this replay would be interesting
ngl the murkrow KO kinda save me from losing
jagged needle
https://pokepast.es/2d491c52969ac8a7
team that somehow got me my highest ive gotten on the ladder everr
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peak crypt
why's there an Armarouge with no Indeedee
jagged needle
why's there an Armarouge with no Indeedee
experimenting with ideas
i think i swapped it out for palafin or something with good coverage
for most of it
peak crypt
I can tell you from a lot of very sad experience that Armarouge is basically not a Pokemon if you don't have Indeedee
I tried
😦
jagged needle
lemme update it to what i usually used
jagged needle
I can tell you from a lot of very sad experience that Armarouge is basically not...
it did work
just not mu cj
torpid moat
it'll do less work than ogerpon-fire in the same slot
the team overall looks really slow, not much speed control either
well, no speed control rather
you're gonna go up against a torn chi yu team or something and get rolled
jagged needle
jagged needle
you're gonna go up against a torn chi yu team or something and get rolled
true
ive taken my focus off of doubles ou for a bit and ive never been above 1400 ladder
so im pastin my old teams
slow pike
how do I make this less shit
https://pokepast.es/911e35ec710e403c
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peak crypt
the super easy first fix is to change the Kommo-o set to actually have a STAB move on it
Special Kommo-o is usually Soul, Clanging Scales, one of Flash Cannon or Flamethrower, and one of Aura Sphere or Protect
The harder fix is swapping some of the last four slots
Right now you don’t really have the ability to switch in on stuff like Heatran or Volcanion without sending in Kommo-o, and you really don’t want the primary wincon to be doing that kind of work
Hands Lando Torn Flutter is a super strong set of Pokémon but you will need to swap out one of them
Volcanion over Flutter seems pretty reasonable; you keep a special attacker, add a Fire resist, and add an extra Water answer so Sinistcha can focus more on healing
slow pike
Volcanion over Flutter seems pretty reasonable; you keep a special attacker, add...
Ok, I just went with the substitute set
Thank you
I also realized that Volc and Sinistcha speed tie so I put 1 points from SpA to Spe
peak crypt
Volcanion actually doesn’t really run Sub this gen
Most of them are either Assault Vest with Earth Power and Heavy Slam or they’re Leftovers with Will-o-Wisp and Protect
slow pike
So do I just take the substitute set and replace sub with wisp
peak crypt
Yeah that works
I think Sub was more common when Home just came out and we were making sample sets on the fly, but it just hasn’t been using Sub lately
slow pike
Alright thank you
jagged needle
https://pokepast.es/05d11d3c801d2f57 is this a good trick room setup?
brittle spade
https://pokepast.es/05d11d3c801d2f57 is this a good trick room setup?
the mons are good but the sets are not
try using the smogon sample sets
jagged needle
are sets EV/IV spreads or items and moves? im new to the language of competitive
or both?
brittle spade
both
jagged needle
ok
brittle spade
i mean, all three, items spreads and moves
jagged needle
the EVs were automatic (except for armarouge)
brittle spade
to get the sample sets you click on the pokemon, you go to import/export
and then there should be Sample set at the bottom
brittle spade
nuuu uh uh, that's not exactly samples
sitrus/eject button on the amoonguss
tera water is fine
and protect/iron head on gambit
heavy slam is an option on hands over ice punch
and now you're ready to bully people on ladder
jagged needle
okay
first 3 games all had at least 2 slow mons
and a few fast mons
like bloodmoon and iron hands
and the next game is a ragequit
it happened again
k bye
jagged needle
it's so much better of an offensive tr setter
ok
grizzled pumice
https://pokepast.es/af8c20e139c44a37 I'm looking for a final mon for this team but I can't seem to make anything fit.
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grizzled pumice
I was thinking landorus
Haven't teiwd either yet
Tried
You think it's a decent team tho? I made it to 1600 with it so
brittle spade
you have a LOT of support
grizzled pumice
Yea I know and it's working pretty great tbh
brittle spade
honestly you could go swords dance ursaluna as the last mon
grizzled pumice
Ooh that sounds tastey
brittle spade
might as well take advantage of double follow me
grizzled pumice
Ursaluna should be all out or defence oriented and let the swords dance buff it
https://pokepast.es/b4892520de2054d7 how's this
Or Tera ghost for defence instead
peak crypt
Ursaluna needs Protect even more than most Pokemon
SD / Facade / Headlong Rush / Protect will do fine
personally I think you're a little heavy on the Fire types; Chi-Yu doesn't seem like it's doing much besides making you weaker to Lando-T
you could probably run a Specs Flutter Mane in that slot instead
wait that's Wellspring not Hearthflame
I still think Flutter will probably do you better in that slot
polar lotus
Ay guys, its the return of the rain team
does this team need any changes?
https://pokepast.es/9f8f8978248ed361
polar lotus
(Also Rilla has Stomping Tantrum instead of Taunt now)
dire flint
if you're gonna run a ground move on rillaboom run high horsepower
polar lotus
if you're gonna run a ground move on rillaboom run high horsepower
is there anything else that needs changing
torpid moat
Ay guys, its the return of the rain team
does this team need any changes?
https:...
your rilla is missing glide, the waterpon set feels weird and should probably have spiky shield, maybe glide over trailblaze, you seem really weak to both trick room and torn teams
polar lotus
your rilla is missing glide, the waterpon set feels weird and should probably ha...
so, how do I fix being weak to trick room and torn teams?
torpid moat
oh and give your basc protect
having glides helps
but I think lando slot is too greedy, and maybe do follow me waterpon instead of setup
prob still needs either a torn of your own or some bulk
cutting pao is also an option
polar lotus
cutting pao is also an option
so, how would a improved version of my team will look like?
torpid moat
if you wanna drastically rework for those matchups, cut lando and pao for imprison farigiraf and iron hands
maybe kingambit over hands
softer choices could be just dnite over lando to go for a priority focus
polar lotus
if you wanna drastically rework for those matchups, cut lando and pao for impris...
can you send me the specifc sets for Hands and Giraf?
polar lotus
what about held items and tera types
polar lotus
booster energy on hands?
polar lotus
how does the team look now?
https://pokepast.es/0b7ecb1c8af8f68f
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torpid moat
oh mb I thought you knew more about the format
the main edge farig has over tr mons is armor tail, which blocks priority
for example from grassy glide, which your team is weak to
the reason hands was added was to make the tr aspect playable if you wanted it
so it wouldn't be running speed
and it'd want the more offensive fake out/close combat/wild charge/filler I feel
oh, give farig protect too, and a more defensive spread
and give basc protect over psychic fangs
and give rilla wood hammer over taunt
also now that I look, steel tera hands is prob better, last moveslot heavy slam
torpid moat
also once again this was the more drastic option, one that significantly changed how the team works
there were less invasive ones like just adding a dnite or just including the glides
waterpon can be kept as is or converted to 252 hp 252 atk follow me over sd
torpid moat
you shouldn't have set leads
lead depending on the opponent's team
don't lead farig unless you plan on imprisoning or setting tr yourself
most likely don't lead basc
polar lotus
also should farig held still be sitrus berry
torpid moat
most likely don't lead peli unless you're getting an immediate payoff with it
if you convert it to support spread/set, yes sitrus is proper
having protect on it also lets you imprison it
and if it wasn't clear
farig imprisons against trick room teams, and sets trick room against tailwind teams
under trick room, hands and rilla are your main options
polar lotus
mhm
jagged needle
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peak crypt
yeah I gotta be level with you
this is about as good as an Armarouge fullroom team is going to get
Torkoal's probably the worst Pokemon on the team but it's not like it's actively making the team worse
jagged needle
Torkoal's probably the worst Pokemon on the team but it's not like it's actively...
i needed something to replace kingambit
king sucks in psy terrain
jagged needle
yea, i do need a ground type
jagged needle
Doubt Hands is enough
it could be if i make advantage of hands
and arma could definitely do well against it if its set up
tardy bear
and arma could definitely do well against it if its set up
252+ SpA Life Orb Armarouge Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 126-148 (32.6 - 38.3%) -- 98.8% chance to 3HKO
tardy bear
this is about as good as an Armarouge fullroom team is going to get
Is Armarouge semi-room a thing?
peak crypt
kind of
jagged needle
rare example of torkoal winning
jagged needle
252+ SpA Life Orb Armarouge Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Heatran...
damn nvm
peak crypt
you could try swapping Torkoal for Ursaluna
jagged needle
jagged needle
you could try swapping Torkoal for Ursaluna
fine
peak crypt
regular or Blood Moon (I think regular's better personally)
jagged needle
ive been fighting the need to luna
jagged needle
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesou-1988557390
rare example of torkoal
(i sacced arma)
tardy bear
With only one physical attacker in Hands you'd prob appreciate regular Luna
jagged needle
fair point
i dislike bloodmoon so i just dont wanna bring it in my team
and tegular ursa is faster in TR
peak crypt
With only one physical attacker in Hands you'd prob appreciate regular Luna
Diancie is also a physical attacker
tardy bear
Oh
torpid moat
give it facade over stone edge
with normal tera
also at this point I think it'd be a superior team with cress over indeedee + flutter or heatran or volcanion over armor
jagged needle
also at this point I think it'd be a superior team with cress over indeedee + fl...
arma indeedee rips through teams
like absolute carnage unless theres a dark type
and even then armor cannon
vestal goblet
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vestal goblet
back with my beloved swift swim wrath team
but ive been getting EXPOSED
by the ladder
i kinda wanna change smth
rose juniper
oke lets try to fix that
any specific problems you are running into?
off the rip I can already see somethings that I would chance but those are relativly minor
vestal goblet
yea i did change basc to special bc thats the standard and i js wanted to try it
rose juniper
oke oke
well first of all I would remove heavy duty boots on tsar
and give it an assault vest
tsar is generally a very good user of that
vestal goblet
ya that was the original but i switched to boots to stop tox spikes
but i dont run into hazards that much
so im gonna change bac
*back
rose juniper
well with AV it also serves a bit as a special wall
or maybe not a wall
but an easy switch in
I think ive never seen an AV tsar go down in 1 special hit
but yeah id say def change the basc back
rose juniper
btw might I ask where you got the lando set from
vestal goblet
intuition
rose juniper
ah oke
id say there are 2 options with lando
- you remove it for something else
- we change the set
vestal goblet
hmm
id prob change the set bc ive been using it to stop iron hands from ohkoing pelipper with wild charge
i mean
poli
not pelipper
rose juniper
oke that works, you can also use lando I
with a 100% hit sandsear storm in rain
but if you wanna keep lando T
id say go with the following move set
- stomping
- Uturn
- terablast (flying)
- rockslide
otherwise if you want hands counters you could also use
lando-I or fluttermane
vestal goblet
ill try lando-i for a bit
rose juniper
you need a set?
vestal goblet
ya
rose juniper
oke id say its pretty straight forward
you go 252 speed/252 special attack/4 def and timid nature
and for the move set
you prob want something like this
- protect
- sandsear storm
- sludgebomb
- earthpower
and for a terra you can opt for steel or ground
ground if you want offensive pressure
and steel for defensive capabilities
vestal goblet
alr i might run leftovers for the item to heal on off turns with protect
rose juniper
on lando?
vestal goblet
ya
rose juniper
no no no
lando has a special ability
sheerforce
which makes that you take no damage from life orb
but you get the boost in power
and it also makes your moves 1.3x stronger in trade for the removal of secondary effects
rose juniper
yeah lando is really strong
rose juniper
ik
I always use :). but I can't anymore
eitherway id say that those changes should do it for now and I recommend you just try that out for a bit
but
if you still run into some problems or there is anything else you can also just @ me
and if you save some replays where you lose I can review them if you want
plush otter
hey, I know this is really random, but can someone help me make a balance team? I am relatively new to the single battle format and I'd like to learn
peak crypt
This is the channel for Doubles OU rates
If you’re looking for single battle team help you should try #comp-general or one of the singles tier channels
peak crypt
Happens
placid rose
polar lotus
@peak crypt So I’ve been thinking about ur suggestion on replacing my murkrow with a tornados, but personally, I ive been thunking about replacing it with a steel type instead since I dont have one on my team
any suggestions
peak crypt
<@124221069396672513> So I’ve been thinking about ur suggestion on replacing my ...
sorry, super tired and forgot to respond
remind me again what the team is?
this format doesn't really have a ton of things with the primary role of "be a Steel type" so it's hard to really recommend one off the top of my head
tardy bear
I believe this was the paste
https://pokepast.es/80d9f8415504636f
polar lotus
I believe this was the paste
https://pokepast.es/80d9f8415504636f
That one is kinda outdated, the main changes is walking wakes EVs got changed and flutter mane now holds safety goggles
tardy bear
That one is kinda outdated, the main changes is walking wakes EVs got changed an...
Well can you send your current one
polar lotus
Ill do it later
polar lotus
https://pokepast.es/5027f0f08918b80c @peak crypt @tardy bear ok heres the team
tardy bear
https://pokepast.es/5027f0f08918b80c <@124221069396672513> <@783920415121735731>...
Tornadus is pretty much a better Murkrow in almost every way yeah
tardy bear
https://pokepast.es/5027f0f08918b80c <@124221069396672513> <@783920415121735731>...
My dou knowledge is limited but I'd imagine you want Protect on Amoon, Flutter, and Torkoal when you aren't choice locked
I also believe Chi Yu is the preferred Specs Sun mon over Wake rn
polar lotus
https://pokepast.es/8a119a91c2cc8589 ok here is my revamped team
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polar lotus
the reason I wanted walking wake was so that I had a reliable water mon thats good in the sun
and also for dragon representation
peak crypt
Wake's kind of been coming back but I still think it's not great personally
torpid moat
run flamethrower over weather ball at least
peak crypt
the Flutter really should not have Goggles
torpid moat
your firepon is serious
also I recommend follow me over hh
if you want a support move
polar lotus
https://pokepast.es/791c5dcab1255459 ok heres the rerevamped version
peak crypt
Why is the Flutter Mane Cloak?
The main benefit of Covert Cloak is preventing the flinch from Fake Out, but you’re already a Ghost type
I think you should swap to either Choice Specs or Booster Energy
And if you go Booster, drop Thunderbolt for Protect
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jagged needle
i need advice for leads
arma-indeedee gets killed by ting-lu or chien pao
and lando taunt
grizzled pumice
https://pokepast.es/8b95ee7fcd839b0e thus team got me to 1700 so I think it's pretty good but can anyone take a look at it
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grizzled pumice
https://pokepast.es/88d5e206effa81e3
chi yu. Helps you lead with a strong starter they would focus so u can trick room or a good finisher when trick room ends and u haven't won
I'm no expert tho
Iron hands doesn't fit well here cause it doesn't synergies well plus it's fake out gets canceled by your own indee
There's nothing u can send out with it that is good pair cept diancie but if you get tr up with diancie iron hands isn't a good support for her
I'd put another hyper offense in place of hands si ce you have 2 support and 2 bulky offense already u need another offense cause armarouge gets shutdown by dark tyoes pretty hard
grizzled pumice
I could be 100 percent wrong tbh
rose juniper
https://pokepast.es/8b95ee7fcd839b0e thus team got me to 1700 so I think it's pr...
It looks quite solid to me, there are a few things I would chance but thats more personal prefrence then obtimaisation
grizzled pumice
Like what? It'll give me insight on how people might look at this team going into a battle
rose juniper
personally id give the chi yu overheat over flame and go with scarf over specs (make it modest when scarf) but that really has more to do with playstyle prefrence then truly being better then the other option, same for what I would do with the torkoal, id make it charcoal so I can run protect
ik the follow me strat and that its quite usefull to have that extra power but
I think its always nice to be able to switch moves on torkoal cause it kinda sucks to be locked into eruption after you take a hit
maybe I would give indeedee sash over helmet but I don't think that it matters that much
grizzled pumice
Yea it does but the specs allow me to oneshot so many more things and I tested charcoal and noticed it deals a good bit less damage
rose juniper
fair, just use what works for you the best
but you also wanted insight on how people look at your team
at battle preview
?
grizzled pumice
Yea just wanted to know what some people might think going in so I can play around that info
rose juniper
oh also I forgot to say about the torkoal I would put solar over flame but thats just me
grizzled pumice
I was also explaining why I domt do those things but it's all preference yea
rose juniper
Yea just wanted to know what some people might think going in so I can play arou...
oke ill let you know how I would think if I face you
not knowing the info on the team
grizzled pumice
oh also I forgot to say about the torkoal I would put solar over flame but thats...
Solar?
rose juniper
solar beam
grizzled pumice
Beam?
Hm
I would if I wasn't using choice
Cause the flames only there if I NEED it not to miss
I barely use anything other than eruption or overheat
I'm prone to the bad luck
I've had so many games lost to 2 misses in a row lmao
Or flinched.
grizzled pumice
Take ur time
rose juniper
so if I would face your team id assume one of three leads
torkoal + lili
chi + torn
Indeedee + armo
ofc how I would lead would depand on my team and what im the most weak to
id assume that your tr setters would be indeedee and armourage but id assume armourage would be the one who actually sets tr most of the time
id think chi yu would be AV or possible scarf
but id assume AV first
or lorb but atleast not choicespecs
id say the team is quite obvious in what it does and what the mons on it do
but the hard part for the opponent would be predicting the right lead
cause you have 3 "standarised" leads
grizzled pumice
Yea sounds about right
Most of the time my lead is tork lilligant
But a surprise opener is lilli torn
Cause either sunny day or swap to tork
And the eject button allow me a free swap to tork which catches off guard
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polar lotus
https://pokepast.es/0659d2605cab93c9 I didn't know what Indedee was so I went for Silence of the Lambs
jagged needle
chi yu. Helps you lead with a strong starter they would focus so u can trick roo...
its a...
trick room team
chi-yu is a fast sp.atker
hands is clunky tho
i might swap for torkoal or something
grizzled pumice
yea but tr isnt gonna be always up; and its a good lead because its fast and can kill easy and when ur tr is finished or if they stall its a good backup
a tr team doesnt just have all slow mons
grizzled pumice
Yea but they also know you have that. So u lead chi yu if they have a answer to your arma indee in the form of something that chi yu can deal with
Catch em off guard
Doesn't have to be chi yu
jagged needle
Doesn't have to be chi yu
do i see potential for chien pao
grizzled pumice
I was thinking yea but I don't have enough experience with him to suggest him
Depends on what you're facing a lot I spose
jagged needle
I was thinking yea but I don't have enough experience with him to suggest him
me neither
but i want to gain it
grizzled pumice
Tell me how it goes.
I might use him instead of chi yu for my own team
Cause Wide guard really hurts
And I wanna keep the specs
jagged needle
Tell me how it goes.
ok
its come to my attention there is a lot of scenarios where
i have gotten a few scenarios where i have no water coverage and die
jagged needle
uh
jagged needle
this is the first time ive ever struggles with baton pass volbeat into politoed
i might bring back hands
wven though its clunky i gotta make it work
also psy terrain is psychological warfare
swaps in hands
fake out
chien-pao is protected by the psychic terrain!
grizzled pumice
Yes
It's so funny
To swap her
They pull something to end terrain I just swap into something else
And more terrain
jagged needle
wait
i have a possible idea for the water coverage
thats also fast
meowscarada
tight spire
u could also use ogerpon
tight spire
i think ogerpon looks cool enough, rilla is ugly, but generally you probably wanna use an ogerpon because its one of the best grass types in the meta
tight spire
no I am, specifically just me
jagged needle
tbh im not a fan of indeedee or amoonguss so
tight spire
I am in the anti rillaboom coalition
jagged needle
can i join
tight spire
sure
jagged needle
cool
tight spire
what team are you running anyways?
jagged needle
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tight spire
I don't think you need close combat on Ursaluna
tight spire
Sword Dance is something you could try instead for lando-t teams
tight spire
Air Balloon heatran isn't something you should build for
peak crypt
+2 Facade probably does like 80 min to Heatran anyway
tight spire
yeah
jagged needle
Air Balloon heatran isn't something you should build for
true
tight spire
and most teams using landorus will try to spam switch it in
jagged needle
im trying to find excuses!!!
tight spire
when Trick Room is up
jagged needle
tbh
tight spire
actually if you know they have air balloon heatran
peak crypt
+2 252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 378-444 (97.9 - 115%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
tight spire
you should just swords dance when it switches in
jagged needle
i suck at setups
peak crypt
the bear is crazy
tight spire
and facade ohko
jagged needle
oh damn nvm
tight spire
i suck at setups
practicing the timing will make you better in the long run
tight spire
because you're forced to use a more risky general strategy that could get you ko'd
you pay more attention to what you opponet will do
rather than playing monke brain click on the ladder
jagged needle
they go for a double attack with mons in diamond storm range
jagged needle
well get outta da low ladder
i cant because im in low ladder
tight spire
grizzled pumice
I'm at 1700 rn with my sun/tr team
Meow would be cool
I use Lillian instead
Lilligant
Cause photosynthesis
tight spire
Liligant-H is best on a sun team
in general meowscarada has kinda fallen off
flutter mane outspeeds it, chien pao does too, ogerpon is generally a better generalist grass type
grizzled pumice
Yea
Sad to see its one of my favorite mons
Ogerpon really put the nail in the coffin too
tight spire
tragic progression of the meta
but it was already niche imo before DLC 1
and even home
its similar to maushold
grizzled pumice
It got me to master ball rank when sv first came out
jagged needle
i was a little messed up but i managed to do something
biggest losses were predicting tusk to cc and charizard waking after 1
tight spire
how do you feel about chien-pao on your team
?
do you find youself rarely using it?
is it akward?
jagged needle
its more of an alt-start to indeedee arma
tight spire
I feel like there may be some akwardness here
jagged needle
i plan to change