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[weak vortex]

I think primarina can be like

Raging bolt because you desperately need another water resist that actually checks ogerpon wellspring

Corv is probly fine make it Uturn but honestly I think it could be another bird like moltres

Yeah actually I highly suggest moltres so you don’t get stumped by every iron defense zama you see

[fiery sapphire]

Pult
Corv
Tusk
Raging bolt
Glowking
Kingambit

Molt > corv

[weak vortex]

Molt > corv

Ye

You got it

[dapper imp]

oh sweet

[fiery sapphire]

Cool, also I am reminded why I love glowking, facing sun teams and just going "nah" every time they set sun is just funny

[dapper imp]

i made gliscor tera dragon for ogerpon w stuff

and im prob going to give it toxic so it doesnt just sit there and let it sd

[weak vortex]

Sounds like a plan

[dapper imp]

is knock off necessary though

[weak vortex]

Well considering lokix is B rank its serviceable it shines bs offensive teams I’ll try my best because I don’t have much experience with the Mon.

[weak vortex]

Every team should have at least one knocker

[dapper imp]

bootspam isnt very popular right now but i feel like having one knock off users is very useful

ok gliscor keeps knock then

[weak vortex]

You can do defensive tusk over ace

With knock

And rocks

Then give gliscor toxic

[dapper imp]

bet

garg should be curse then

if i use defensive tusk

[weak vortex]

Needs a water resist

[weak vortex]

Yuh

Just make sure it’s Tera fairy

[dapper imp]

doesnt garg check pult on its own though?

[weak vortex]

Make zama raging bolt, crown booster energy cm(you need speed control), make molt tera fairy

[weak vortex]

Band pult has seen an emergence which tera water hates

[dapper imp]

ah i see

[weak vortex]

Tera fairy stuffs it tho

[dapper imp]

i assume you learn what is trending through playing right

or looking at forms

[weak vortex]

Yeah and also just playing

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/7a5d73f3afe8a378

[weak vortex]

I ran into band pult several occasions think “oh it’s fine I have primarina “ 💀

[weak vortex]

Good looks just give molt Uturn

[fiery sapphire]

Hmmm is this team a balance or offense team

[weak vortex]

Bulky offense

Mons that can take hits and deal damage and a team that has 1-3 pivots usually

[fiery sapphire]

Also hmm Roar or wisp? I could run wisp + turn or Roar + turn

[weak vortex]

Turn wisp

[fiery sapphire]

Gotcha

[weak vortex]

🫡

[dapper imp]

ah, im in like 1400s right now so its not really easy for me to get an accurate picture of what threats i should pay attention to lol

[weak vortex]

Nah all g keep at it you doing pretty fine in my book

Happy laddering I’m here if you need

Yall can tell me more about it here #comp-general

[fiery sapphire]

Right, my bad.

[weak vortex]

Nah you good

[marble ether]

https://pokepast.es/5d9fad667f900b84 rate my team brothas

[weak vortex]

Ye

Make pult specs Tera ghost/dragon what you prefer just make it specs

Make tusk

Offensive utility

And give it headlong rush. Earthquake is halved in terrain

Primirina can be sub calm mind

Gking do the special sponge thing already so bit frees up primarina to run cm

Thunderwave on slowking galar can help it with sub too

[marble ether]

thank you

[weak vortex]

Np bro

[marble ether]

which sub calm mind set is better for the team, the bulky one with liquid voice or the faster one with torrent?

[weak vortex]

Nah not liquid voice torrent better

Sub cm surf moonblast

My bad

But ye that moveset

[tired badge]

https://pokepast.es/a36716c13ce6427c
i tried changing it a bit cause iron crown wasnt really working

[weak vortex]

Give lando water tera

Make ghold gambit

Prim should be tera steel and psy noise > psychic

Give bolt fairy tera

Zama can be like

Ace

[tired badge]

oh i meant to do psychic noise i think i just did psychic by accident and i also was gonna change bolt fairy since theres already grassy terrain but can you explain why gambit over gholdengho

[weak vortex]

Gambit helps vs darkrai good into physical pult among other things

[tired badge]

oh ty

[weak vortex]

Actually you still want the speed control

But idk which fast Mon to replace zama

Actually zama might fine be but make it tera fire

[weak vortex]

.

[tired badge]

?

[weak vortex]

Give it roar > heavy slam

[weak vortex]

My bad check above

[tired badge]

oh 👍

[tired badge]

to force out sweepers?

[weak vortex]

Yep!

Other zama for example

[tired badge]

ok ty

[weak vortex]

Np

[slender junco]

https://pokepast.es/0aa6c48d57ea5d1e

9ou

[viral sable]

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[slender junco]

Oh i didn't know it pings 😭

[junior harness]

Psychic is kinda unnecessary

Psychic attacks on Val isn’t commonly used, and the most common one is usually psyshock on cm sets

[slender junco]

I'm looking to check Zama hero with it

That's why no psyshock

wait I'm dumb

I'm a fairy type 😭

[junior harness]

Also, taunt Val is not really a set

Use the standard one with encore instead

[slender junco]

taunt > encore

[junior harness]

The rest of the team has real sets sorta, however I am not good enough to comment on more specific stuff

[slender junco]

The rest of the sets are normal

I think 🤔

@junior harness

https://pokepast.es/b22ea3625851a99b

I added an earthquake switch in

Plus better fire cover

[dapper imp]

give slowking g itss pivot set

and make zapdos tera dragon to check ogerpon w

and give lando rocks fast utility

[slender junco]

I need the scarf

[dapper imp]

you have valiant for speed control

[slender junco]

ehhh

[dapper imp]

lando scarf isnt bad

just feels like

[ruby crest]

Scarf seems redundant when you have pult Val and zama ngl

[dapper imp]

its better used with fast utility on your kind of team

[ruby crest]

U def are fine in speed control

[slender junco]

Yeah scarf is kinda greedy

[slender junco]

give the gking pivot set and rocks Lando set

[dapper imp]

yes

[slender junco]

Why do we need chilly reception

Cause idk 😭

[ruby crest]

It’s a good pivoting move to bring in allies safely while also good at disrupting potential weather

[slender junco]

safely because we're slow?

Oh yeahhh to negate weather

[ruby crest]

Yes

You are able to sponge a hit or catch something if they switch in front of you giving you momentum to pivot out

[slender junco]

https://pokepast.es/0494c10f3851b773

[dapper imp]

yes that is literally its best set lmao

[slender junco]

tough

[ruby crest]

Ghost mu is incredibly annoying and don’t like the lack of knocker / a steel

[slender junco]

What?

Sorry I'm not super educated

[dapper imp]

replace zapdos with kingambit

actually

[ruby crest]

Ghost types like opposing Dragapult and Gholdengo have a field day against this team

I think zappy is fine

Tho something like molt wouldn’t be bad either

[slender junco]

Gmolt?

[ruby crest]

Best course of action honestly is make this mixed iron Val, bullied gambit > pult, make this boots roar 3 attacks zama > Id press, toxic > twave on gking,

[glacial bone]

https://pokepast.es/cfc2734b39040203

i hit 1300 elo with this team is there anything i can/should tweak w/ it

[spiral fable]

to be frank, yes

first of all, congrats on reaching 1300, you should always be proud of new elo peaks

however, this team does have a few flaws

[glacial bone]

yeah def i initially made this as a UU team lol

[spiral fable]

So the whole idea behind webs hyper offense, and hyper offense in general, is to throw one suicide/utility lead, and then a bunch of sweepers to try and overwhelm the opponent's defensive threats
This is because you will be essentially playing 5v6, so you need to ensure that the 5 you bring can end the game quickly
With that in mind, Rotom-Wash, Skeledirge, and Scizor are unfortunately just not good picks for this team, the former two are too passive and the latter of which is too weak + you don't want a uturn pivot on ho

Maushold is also a bad pick because its TIdy Up gets rid of your own webs, which you kinda want to keep since that's your whole team's gimmick yknow

Serperior is a pretty solid pick honestly, but you'd want it to be substitute/dragon pulse with tera ground over tera electric, as you die in 2-3 hirts anyways so you can't get synthesis off rleiably

So with your serperior and Ribombee base, let's add some sweepers that appreicate webs
Kingambit is a classic, always a good pick for Hyper Offense + the speed drop allows it to jump some defensive mons it couldn't otherwise, you should run the black glasses offensive set
Gholdengo is a must for Webs team to prevent defog from wiping away your hazards + it similarly benefits from the speed drop, run offensive set with air baloon, nasty plot, make it rain, shadow ball, and psyshock with tera fairy/flying
Ogerpon-Wellspring is a strong pick as its otherwise lacklustre speed is make up for by webs, and can be a terrifying breaker, use the Swords Dance two STAB PLay Rough set
Last but not least, Iron Moth is a strong choice, but you can also run Power Herb Glimmora, Dragonite, or even Raging Bolt, just make sure they're all the setup sets

[glacial bone]

thank you very much :D ill def take these into consideration

the one mon i really wanna keep honestly is maushold

[spiral fable]

The issue is Maushold and Ribombee are inherently anti-synergistic

Not only do they not work well togehter, they actively harm each other

[glacial bone]

hes been the star of many of my games cause by the time i tidy up once or twice i outspeed basically every pokemon and webs arent too needed

but i get what youre saying

[spiral fable]

I honestly can't really see maus working outside of maybe niche screens teams

and even then that's a stretch

in the meantime, here's an example of the webs team i suggested

https://pokepast.es/879529fce642dd58

[glacial bone]

i usually tera ghost and either encore or tidy up

ty for the sample team

i had no clue an offensive glim set existed lol

[spiral fable]

It’s on the nicher side but still sees use

[lost sandal]

okay, tysm

https://pokepast.es/d55ff9684f115193
something like this perhaps?

[viral sable]

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[plain island]

https://pokepast.es/ec2a6f9cb697ffef trick room rmt

[lost sandal]

why not use zen headbutt

on hoopa

and make it pure physical

[plain island]

Psychic ohkos zamazenta

[lost sandal]

i really dont think you need a zama counter with 4 psychic types

[plain island]

Hatt and cress aren’t real tbh because they die

[lost sandal]

so just like

dont die

👍

use fire punch on urs too

[plain island]

But that’s the whole point lmao

Healing wish

[plain island]

No crunch is needed for sinistcha

[lost sandal]

🙏

huh

[plain island]

What

[lost sandal]

doesnt it get countered by shi like corv/skarm then

[plain island]

They don’t take +2 tera facade

[quick bluff]

this means expending ur tera and they’re often faster and can iron defense

and fire punch hits balloon gambit

im sorry fire punch is more more important

crunch is nice for sinis (a 5% usage mon iirc) and also in the dengo+pult mu but

fire punch is far more so

depending on the build you can drop sd for crunch but

i think fpunch is a must

[weak vortex]

Av crown is crown is fine just make Val booster

Needs speed control this is too too slow

[lost sandal]

i wanted specs 😔

specs is cooking

also you wrote crown booster but i think you meant ival

[grave ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/a1bceac3ff81586a

Tried making bulky physical wake team

[lost sandal]

thoughts?

[weak vortex]

Yes booster Val

Is your speed control

[weak vortex]

Ok some issues here av pex that ship sailed about a year ago. Mienshao is not ranked in ou.cress is C rank but it’s not for this set more for really offensive teams that set tr.

[grave ginkgo]

are there any mons you can recommend? i tried making a bulky, not really offensive team

[weak vortex]

That would a balance team like gliscor/ting lu, alomomola,garg, Zama as speed control for example

[grave ginkgo]

could lando-t be better than gliscor or no?

[weak vortex]

Not on balance

you really want that knock absorber role gliscor provides while also being immune to spikes

Anymore questions you can direct them here #comp-general

[hallow lynx]

hello i dont really have a grasp on the meta and this is the team i had most success with
https://pokepast.es/c5c4fc0fe35b7749
any help on this? i do wanna keep gliscor and darkrai tho

[topaz narwhal]

this is not the dou channel

this says ou

[lost sandal]

can i use specs tho 😔

[pliant raptor]

Darkrai @ Expert Belt
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Timid Nature

• Dark Pulse
• Sludge Bomb
• Focus Blast
• Ice Beam

[quick bluff]

dont have time to fully rate rn but they def want boots krai on this build not ebelt

dont give advice if ur not familiar with the format

[pliant raptor]

sick ego

wasnt done typing

[quick bluff]

ok mb maybe say something other than just copy pasting a smogon set then

[pliant raptor]

he needs boots bc he has no hazard removal. in my humble opinion he would be better off running defnsive corvikight with defog

if he was desperate to have hazards of his own he could go spikes gliscor

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/ef71af51619e6d4a

[viral sable]

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[junior harness]

Val needs shadow ball

Or else gholdengo walls

[tender pecan]

yeah its usually like

psyshock over encore

rather than shadow ball

[echo path]

https://pokepast.es/b5c31a3c520f371b made a team with my favorites, I'm lowkey cooked

[brave turtle]

randbats ahh team

[echo path]

ong I get cooked by fighting types

[brave turtle]

in all seriousness tho i dont think theres a single solid mon here besides maybe heatran cuz weavile is pretty much outclassed by meow in most cases

[echo path]

don't tell me dragonite isn't as good in gen 9 ou as he is in vgc

[devout glen]

dnite is very good in ou

[brave turtle]

oh true didnt see that

band dnite is ok here too then

[echo path]

oh thank arceus

on my mama zangoose gonna cook

[brave turtle]

just use ursa 💀

[echo path]

hell naw Zangoose the goat

[brave turtle]

i mean you can probs get away with one shitmon but you have two and two not very good mons

[echo path]

Seviper's biggest feat was taking out a belly drum slowpoke

my goat indeed

[spiral fable]

So you definitely know this team is unviable

And I’m very confused why you’re posting it here

[echo path]

just for shits and giggles, but I do see something in Zangoose but I might just be delusional

[spiral fable]

Please don’t post teams you know are unviable here

It’s just a waste of time

[echo path]

I'll keep that in mind for next time, my fault

[tender pecan]

dnite is good yeah

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/f4b9402983c5becd

[dapper imp]

loaded dice roaring moon seems sus

also why earthquake when youre using a grassy terrain team

sp attack valiant needs shadow ball else it gets walled by gold

qua is borderline unviable use something like great tusk/corv/cinderace if you need hazard control

also life orb is bad on valiant, use booster or scarf for speed control

Sorry meant to address @dense gull not you

[dense gull]

👍

[dense gull]

I think no shadow ball is fine since I have other options to switch into that answer common gholdengo sets

[dapper imp]

Who is vacuum wave for

[dense gull]

No one in particular but it does come really handy

[dapper imp]

booster energy does the same thing for speed control

without being forced to use a 40pp move

[dense gull]

I don’t like how temporary booster is so thats why I’m trying vacuum wave, but I’ll def give it a try

[dapper imp]

try scarf then

grassy terrain offense is fast paced so booster energy is usually enough

[dense gull]

👍

Other suggestions?

[dapper imp]

id honestly reocmmend you replace quax with ogerpon w

since you dont look like you have any mons that actually abuse grass

[dense gull]

Who’d replace quax’s role then

[dapper imp]

you dont necessarily need hazard control

since grassy terrain is so fast

but if you really want one use bulk up tusk

[dense gull]

👍

Preciate the advice

[dapper imp]

also heatran is kinda ass now

so id personally replace with iron crown which also appreciates less eq damage and improves your kyu matchup

[spiral fable]

this is a gterrain team without a lot of gterrain abusers

or really any im ngl

i like the suggestion of crown over heatran, drop quaval drop val drop rmoon, slot on hawlucha, i like the suggestion of ogerpon-w as well

then you probably want another special attacker to round it out, bolt or moth are both fine picks

not really sure val is good here

[dapper imp]

What’s wrong with Val in grass?

[spiral fable]

you dont need the speed control + there's better picks

[dapper imp]

Oh

Speed control is good in general for offense tho

[spiral fable]

you already have hawlucha

[dapper imp]

Oh

Yea

You’re right Lucha is speed control

I forgot lucha is a fraud most of the time lmao

Wasn’t there a hydrapple gterrain that peaked the Elo recently

[spiral fable]

uh probably i dont ay attention to rmts

[ruby crest]

ye

[weak vortex]

yeah its right here

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bad-apple-tera-poison-hydrapple-grass-spam-peaked-78.3751140/#post-10268407

[quick bluff]

meow def does not outclass weav

if anything between weav and tealpon meow finds itself largely outclassed at everything rn

[tender pecan]

Nah meow is aight

Protean cool for 1 time stab on anything and it's pretty fast, plus flower trick cool

[bitter trout]

Ain’t no way

[sly pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/5bc9160885c2f4c2 hey, any thoughts on my ho team?

[viral sable]

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[sly pulsar]

I get obliterated by balloon heatran

[weak vortex]

Make glimmora tera ghost moves should be mortal spin,power get, earth power, and rocks

Roaring moon set should prob be knock,taunt,dd and acro

Taunt helps for stall

Serp don’t really fit here and set is kinda weird I suggest booste rusk here with bulk up,head long rush,ice spinner and spin

Moth should be tera ground with fiery dance, tera blast,sludge wave, gleam I believe

Drop hax for iron valiant

Booster cm tera ghost

Run this kyu set

Kyurem @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ground
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Scale Shot
• Icicle Spear
• Tera Blast

[finite aurora]

https://pokepast.es/eb7398d45571912e

[dapper imp]

In the gym rn so I’m just gonna provide some cursory suggestions

Replace heatran with iron crown ran is doodoo with earth power being everywhere

Change corv with lucha you have no speed control

Raging bolt is fine but switch to fairy for dragon matchup

Tera fairy

Change Tink with a grass abuser like waterpon

[sly pulsar]

im a bit confused, hax is actually carrying so many games

[dapper imp]

Haxorus is frail and slow

You lose to speed booster mons like iron valiant

[spiral fable]

hax is ass

[dapper imp]

And priority

It can break stall but I mean Ursaluna and Hoopa u do that

Wait corv is prob fine but lucha is better for Gt usually

[spiral fable]

you need lucha for gterrain

[weak vortex]

That raging bolt should be calm mind,thunder bolt, pulse, and thunder clap tera fairy

Lucha > corv

Tran can be offensive with tera grass

Rilla should have band imo

Tinkaton can be something that helps vs ghost like kingambit

Actually I realize you have no ground

Tusk > tink

Offensive

And then tran can be spdef but make sure it runs minimum 44 speed evs to outrun max adamant base 50s like gambit and ursaluna

[stray plaza]

https://pokepast.es/caf19354150285f1
hazard stack team? is balance also

[upper holly]

what do you need water absorb clod for

like half of your team resists water

[stray plaza]

ok

is for draco meteor

primarina, walking wake, sometimes volcanion counter

[grave ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/c6356d51f9099bc0
bulky/bo prima hazard stack

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grave ginkgo]

any1?

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/d8b216b5c5fe63b4

[stray plaza]

What if i change zamazenta for meows

[pulsar tundra]

Ghol and sinistcha fulfill the same role on this, but sini is more valuable bc your waterpon mu is really bad otherwise, so I'd swap ghol to something like a psyshock specs iron crown, since you lack a breaker and some immediate power. After that, some minor changes would be to make prima the standard set with noise, give sini calm mind to still have a wincon and make pult the standard hex set with wisp.

[sly coral]

https://pokepast.es/665ec288ab68345d
offense cornerstone team

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/d8b216b5c5fe63b4

[ebon ember]

Any help?

https://pokepast.es/d8b216b5c5fe63b4

[spiral fable]

We can see your team you don’t need to repost it when it’s the latest message already

[weak vortex]

I’ll get to it when I can

I’m busy rn

If someone don’t get it by that time

[ashen dove]

Am i cooking or am i cooked

https://pokepast.es/544f11811f6d4339

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[junior harness]

Stall looks pretty good into this maybe

Also

What is Tera ground dragapult

[quick bluff]

for rbolt maybe??

def fake tho

dragon/ghost/fairy are the only 3 real ones

mayybe fire

[finite zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/bfddb210fc29f15b struggling a little against fast special attackers like kyurem and iron valiant any tips?

[junior harness]

Consider hatterene somewhere

To pivot into your hard hitters

Also

Choice specs snarl

No

Don’t use that

[finite zephyr]

im using it to deal with primarina

tera ghost

[junior harness]

That’s extremely specific

[finite zephyr]

hit through sub as well

[finite zephyr]

it very specficially beats my whole team lol

[junior harness]

Like why the heck would they wanna Tera ghost in front of a walking wake?

[finite zephyr]

mm

[junior harness]

Also

[finite zephyr]

they tera ghost in front of something else

i forget

[junior harness]

Torkoal wants lava plume

But primarina isn’t gonna wanna commit Tera when walking wake is around

Unless they are bad

[finite zephyr]

oh wait i remmeber now

tera gras heatran is my answer

they tera ghost sub calm mind spam

[finite zephyr]

also walkiingwake doesnt have much coverage

what else could i use

[junior harness]

Dragon pulse

[finite zephyr]

do i replace spin?

[junior harness]

You can totally run two dragon moves

[spiral fable]

??

[junior harness]

Replace something else, not spin

This guy is using specs snarl wake

[finite zephyr]

i could but id rather just throw my draco meteor and switch rather than lock into a fairy immune move

[spiral fable]

no

run flip turn

[finite zephyr]

oh

[spiral fable]

A; garg shouldn't be here

[finite zephyr]

no garg?

[spiral fable]

B: swap out bolt for venusaur since you're struggling so much with primarina

[junior harness]

Garg isn’t on sun

[spiral fable]

C: idk what those tusk ivs are but swap it to the offensive bulk up iv set

D: do not run tera blast heatran, run air balloon with taunt/flash cannon

actually you dont need protect run solar beam magma earth pwoer taunt/flash i think taunt is better tho

E: vest slither wing over garg

wait this is literally just srn sun gg uh if you dont want slither wing eithe rrun hatterene with eject button or kingambit

hatterne for a quick pivot, kingambit for a clenaer

[finite zephyr]

k swapped tusk ivs

🤔 ill take solar beam

[kind kayak]

https://pokepast.es/d7371643265fb3dc
i was just throwing mons tg i know i wanna play around torkoal but everything else can get changed

[junior harness]

Torkoal = sun

You are gonna want sun abusers and ways to pivot them in safely

[kind kayak]

so like growth vena for example?

[thorny zealot]

hey, i dont rlly know much abt team building, i made this one https://pokepast.es/1902bd73451f7c85, im able to win few battles with it but i still struggle sometimes, i feel like smth is wrong

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[ashen dove]

I have 2 regen mons, I'll be fine/able to outstall them maybe

[junior harness]

isnt quag only on specific stall structures?

[dapper imp]

Yea and it needs a lot to support

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/d8b216b5c5fe63b4 sorry for yet again another repost but I haven't had any recommendations, sorry if I come up as impatient.

[spiral fable]

this is just standard bulky ofense

not much to say

not a big fan of primarina though, you probably want a reliable spdef pivot instead

could make bolt specs to be a more effecitve breaker

[weary crypt]

Fake

Flip then is outright better

[weary crypt]

Not in this gen

Gengar is just ass I mean sorry but there's no reason to use it over any ghost in ou

And he doesn't cut it as a special attacker anymore

U want a setup tusk on sun, wake which you already have, roaring moon, and ragijf bolt

Last slot is a little bit free but venasaur is a fraud

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/2818d4ff73082793
how does this look?
@weak vortex i remember you said my speed control was trash so i added a dragapult (i really wanna use specs ival and lokix lmao)

[quick bluff]

??? not true

venu is still solid on sun wym

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/8767637a9189385c
post kyu making me do this 😔

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/1272b20789cc9f5f

[grizzled mural]

Bulky offence

[ebon ember]

@grizzled mural why hat?

It appears to be a special wall where it's outclassed by glowking they can pivot heal better too

You can try lando-t over gliscor but I'd test someone else with someone (mid to high elo ).

You might have to go boot spam

Even taunt lando-t isn't enough

Run bulky kingambit and and boots 4 attacks zama

You can replace iron crown for many things

For offense dragapult (boots) and maybe even dakrai can fit that spot

And for pivot prim is almost the same thing, but still I'd try to look for a booter

https://pokepast.es/dcc3e13d2b283302 something like this could be nice

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[ebon ember]

If you needed the fairy or steel ogerpons spot is still open pretty much

Heavy slam Zama can tank moonblast 2x spirit break and KO back with slam

So valliant is too much of a worry unless you let it be one

[dapper imp]

Unless it’s a balance team ironpress is usually better

[ebon ember]

Its bo

He is weak to hazards

[dapper imp]

Unless it is a fast paced team like Ho hazard removal is appreciated

Zama also only takes 1/16 dmg from rocks and you have gking for tspikes

[feral granite]

https://pokepast.es/116d0ae6b6dd9b04

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

why are you pinging me m8

glad you understood your mistake

so, news flash, there's multiple tiers

and if you look above, you in fact cannot find my name among the list of raters that get pinged

thanks, i try my best

i help people that i want to help

¯_(ツ)_/¯

your definition of freak seems pretty extreme

the irony in the screenshot

is incredible

well, im glad this conversation was productive

thank you for coming to #1059653209678950460 , don't forget to leave a review by the door

[past spruce]

Hey, mind rating this Mamoswine team I’m putting together on how it looks so carb

*far?

Wait how does this work again?

[ebon ember]

. pokepaste

You need one

I also wouldn't use mamo

!pokepaste

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[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/9a1040e4a99dd608

[radiant raven]

https://pokepast.es/0801c549d3bfe495

[lost sandal]

are u ok

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/8767637a9189385c

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender pecan]

not sure whats ur obsession with scarf tera stellar cont enam but more power to ya lmfao

we each have that one mon we just really like using tbf

not a comment on the team itself I just noticed you have enam on most of ur teams

[lost sandal]

i really dont like it much

but my team has really less speed control

and im noticing how a lot of mons are weak to fairy nowadays

[tender pecan]

I swear I see scarf enam on like half ur teams 😭

[lost sandal]

hol on

2 of my most recent teams have enam lmao

[tender pecan]

I should actually comment on this team shouldn't I lmao

[tender pecan]

I'm having a mandela effect moment wtf

[lost sandal]

1 enam in the next few teams lmfao

i think its because most of my teams you rate have an enam lmao, but i havent seen u here in many days

[tender pecan]

anyway

this is pretty decent balance leaning ever so slightly to BO

[lost sandal]

13/122 my teams have enam (i checked haha)

most of them older

[lost sandal]

i think the lack of breakers could be an issue no?

[tender pecan]

ogerpon is a solid breaker

you might want another one

[lost sandal]

indeed

perhaps i go weavile/meow band for enam?

[tender pecan]

thats a decent shout, I might also slot in bulky sd kingambit

[lost sandal]

enam sadly doesnt work here

[tender pecan]

over ogerpon

better breaker

[lost sandal]

where?

[tender pecan]

since if ur gonna only have one proper breaker you might as well make it a setup one

imho

[lost sandal]

fair enough, tho i wouldnt call gambit a breaker haha

[lost sandal]

sd pon perhaps?

[tender pecan]

breaker/sweeper it can do a lot

[tender pecan]

ehhhh maybe? not sure how I feel about it here

you can try weavile

and see how that goes

alternatively lefties raging bolt

[lost sandal]

honestly i would love to have gone kyurem here haha

[tender pecan]

gives you speed control

and is also pretty bulky

[lost sandal]

bolt?

how?

[tender pecan]

thunderclap

[lost sandal]

you mean priority?

[tender pecan]

thats a form of speed control yes

[lost sandal]

ok i got an idea

lemme cook

https://pokepast.es/8b617fa815e4c59e

https://pokepast.es/31b0be1fd063c275

this one actually

thoughts @tender pecan ?

[tender pecan]

I mean this kinda leans to BO

cause urrr

no spikes

this isn't bad tho!

uhhh

I think hexpult would have a blast here

3 status spreaders makes its job very easy

[lost sandal]

3?

which 3

only 2 i think

and tera fire gambit

but i needed immediate power, which is why i went specs

[tender pecan]

glowking moltres + pult itself

hexpult runs status

[lost sandal]

oh yeah lmao

i need immediate power, which is why im not running it

solid shout tho

i might change

[tender pecan]

I'd make tusk bulk up then

tbh

defensive Bulk up tho

[lost sandal]

defensive B.U.?

[tender pecan]

Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• Bulk Up
• Knock Off
• Rapid Spin

[lost sandal]

need rocks

no rocks on my team

[tender pecan]

up to you

[ruby crest]

What’s the team

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/8767637a9189385c
from this

https://pokepast.es/8b617fa815e4c59e
to this

https://pokepast.es/31b0be1fd063c275
to finally here

[ruby crest]

This is mainly fine the last version tho I prob would go roar moltres and hoenstly something else over woger like bulky cm prima, and then like do Kowtow Cleave > Ihead on gambit nd also do Tera ground on tusk tbh

[lost sandal]

ig my speed control will be an issue?

[ruby crest]

Ur fine on speed control tbh

[lost sandal]

only pult may be an issue

[ruby crest]

Singular speed control is fine a lot of teams usually have something like pult, zama, rai or a random scarfer as speed control

[real willow]

https://pokepast.es/9915c5aa3e8929e5
I built this team featuring Hamu and Tink for this one guy who wanted to use them; how bad is my creation?

[spiral fable]

So your methods to deal with Ogerpon-W seem to be a bit sparse

And your spdef core is pretty frail as well, hamurott just don’t got that sustained bulk in it

[real willow]

I see

[spiral fable]

Over a sustained game against a threat like Darkrai, you’re going to struggle to try and chip it meaningfully while it can just fall back onto a partner like Corv or Gliscor to easily eat any attack you throw at it

Meanwhile, neither Hamurott nor Tinkaton have any way of sustaining themself, so Darkrai wins the attrition war

[dapper imp]

you can try changing hrott to sinistcha

much better ogerpon w check and can help with spinblocking

[spiral fable]

Well hamurott seems to be mandatory

[dapper imp]

oh

[real willow]

the point is to stack hazards yeah

[spiral fable]

The core isn’t a bad idea per say

[dapper imp]

i oversaw that

[spiral fable]

Just don’t like the teammates you picked

[dapper imp]

ogerpon then?

[spiral fable]

Definitely not

[dapper imp]

cuz you already got pult as decent speed control

[real willow]

I guess Moltres and Tusk have overlapping roles

as physical checks

[spiral fable]

Mola over Moltres might be a choice to sustain this team, though it doesn’t particularly help with Ogerpon-W

[dapper imp]

wdym

[spiral fable]

Ogerpon-W wouldn’t be a very good fit for this team

[dapper imp]

i meant replace ogerpon with sinistcha

[spiral fable]

Nah they need ogerpon

Spdef is the bigger problem anyways

[dapper imp]

i assume knocker?

[spiral fable]

Can’t think of a solution off the top of my head and I’ve got to run to my next class but perhaps make hamurott more offensive to supplement this teams offensive core and slot on a spdef mon like vest mola

[dapper imp]

oh, so youre in college like me?

have fun

[real willow]

I'm in class rn lol

[dapper imp]

same

what college do you go to?

if i may ask

[real willow]

I would not like to reveal that on a public Discord

[dapper imp]

ok

fair

[real willow]

also go tell whoever wrote vest mola to implement the check and upload it

[spiral fable]

@dusky kindle

[dusky kindle]

i did

xd

[spiral fable]

Well there you have it

[storm adder]

my dumbass decided to make a psyterrain team after playing NeverUsed pre-Cloyster ban https://pokepast.es/90b4e94c4736efb3

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

as someone who has very recently tried to make psyspam work... dont

[storm adder]

ok 👍

[spiral fable]

yeah the mu is just too ass to make work unfortunatley

[storm adder]

damn

actually what makes the mu ass
just wondering

[spiral fable]

for reference this was the team i was using

https://pokepast.es/66811628a6bedbb0

[spiral fable]

too many dark types

[storm adder]

oh

i feel like blaziken takes care of that tho

[spiral fable]

polteageist is too easily revenged

[spiral fable]

blaziken comes with way too many issues itself to use

[storm adder]

fair

[spiral fable]

(destroyed by moltres + can't break bulky waters)

also iron valiant is another horrible mu, same with rmoon

[storm adder]

i see

[spiral fable]

if you run into any gterrian team its an auto 6-0

its just too many bad mus

[storm adder]

damn

[spiral fable]

sun is also an issue, etc

[weary crypt]

He's right tho lol

I've never seen #1 clodsire rate a team without being a dick in .months

And he's like the most active person in SV OU and Natdex rate threads and has competitive helper role so when new players come to these threads who don't know anything and he's a dick to people who don't know anything its really not a good look for the community

[spiral fable]

Ah yes, I’m a dick for (checks notes) asking why someone pinged me when I’m no longer an active rater in the tier

And I’m the one who overreacted and threw a hissy fit, instead of just saying my bad

No, surely it’s not the other guy who immediately grew hostile and passive aggressive when all I said was “why are you pinging me m8”

Not like, yknow, we have a bot that does that anyways and it’s been stated multiple times to not ping raters and be patient

[devout glen]

https://pokepast.es/96074f6ca46246e7

been playing around with specs bolt

this team has been performing pretty well for me but im kinda in shitter elo so not sure how good it actually is lol

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild helm]

what could i improve with this team? Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Pyro Ball
• U-turn
• Sucker Punch
• Gunk Shot

Armarouge @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Weak Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psyshock
• Armor Cannon
• Energy Ball
• Calm Mind

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 105 HP / 252 SpA / 153 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Taunt
• Scald
• Ice Beam

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Power Whip
• Gyro Ball
• Spikes
• Stealth Rock

Dragapult @ Life Orb
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Shadow Ball
• Dragon Rush
• Dragon Dance
• Sucker Punch

Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stealth Rock
• Seismic Toss
• Soft-Boiled
• Thunder Wave

[spiral fable]

please use pokepaste in the future, but this seems to be a natdex ou team, as you have ferrothorn and tapu fini, both mons that aren't in regular ou

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[bitter otter]

IMO I believe using another item other than booster on tusk would be better. if an opponent tries to set up hazards multiple times, wasting that booster just to remove it once doesn't seem very good

boots or scarf would be my rec

[fiery sapphire]

I'm still confused on what happened, I scrolled up to see if they were mad at you for anything else but you literally just asked "why are you pinging me" legitimately thought they were joking for a moment.

[quaint swan]

https://pokepast.es/7cc8e05011710cc6

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[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/7315f4af33928514
Had success with this team and i was wondering what the high elo overlods thought about it

[vocal dove]

https://pokepast.es/15a01c95fe5e58c5

my first time building on my own

hope its ok

[ebon ember]

Most of the Pokémon don't work together or are viable

Slowbro can be replaced for glowking

Prim + 2 special walls Is werid

For bo you like 1-3 bulky Pokémon as your back bone

@vocal dove you here?

[vocal dove]

sorry hi!

i thought fairy steel and dragon would be a pretty good core q.q

i prefer slowbro because of his physical defense

its mainly there for gliscors

is corvi and primarina pretty good together tho?

i mean the typings match up and i have garchomp there for electric types

[dapper imp]

slowbro easily gets knocked by gliscor

or toxic

[vocal dove]

really??

[dapper imp]

it cant really run ice beam cuz of 4mss

yes, gliscor is pretty dominant now that kyurem is banned

[vocal dove]

someones gliscor did only about a third of my slowbros health

[dapper imp]

what teamstyle are you running

cuz there are better gliscor checks

and slowking g outclasses it completely

[vocal dove]

im not really familiar with the right terms im pretty new

[vocal dove]

but the thing is

i want it for gliscor

and slowking is much less physically bulky then slowbro

[dapper imp]

there are better gliscor checks

and gking is just better 99% of the time

can slow pivot to bring your offensive mons safely

[vocal dove]

ive tried to ask for gliscor checks and people just tell me there arent any and to just pray q.q

[dapper imp]

more relavent defensive typing

ogerpon wellspring

corviknight

meowscarada

great tusk

weavile

darkrai

there some gliscor checks

[vocal dove]

wait what moves do most gliscs run then

[dapper imp]

spikes/protect/toxic(or knock off)/earthquake

or swords dance/protect/earthquake/facade(or knock off)

[vocal dove]

everyone ive seen has had swords dance

sd and eq

[vocal dove]

but not for gliscor dude thats what were talking abt😭

[dapper imp]

i just gave you some mons that check gliscor bro

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread-update-on-post-643.3734134/

[vocal dove]

you said that before you gave me the checks bro

[dapper imp]

these are the relavent mons in the ou meta

slowbro is nowhere to be seen

[vocal dove]

sorry im getting annoyed qwq

[dapper imp]

but slowking g is A+

[vocal dove]

why are you so set on proving slowking is better i never said he wasnt!

[dapper imp]

you shouldnt use a mon just to check one thing

[vocal dove]

dude q.q

[dapper imp]

it needs to do more than that

[vocal dove]

and it has

[dapper imp]

then why do you want to use slowbro so badly

[vocal dove]

ive checked infernapes and most poison types when i terre psychic

[dapper imp]

infernape is dogshit in ou

[vocal dove]

i never said i did!

[dapper imp]

no serious player uses infernape

you are saying you want slowbro for gliscor right after i said slowking g is better

[vocal dove]

you just kept saying slowking is better when the context was "what beats gliscor" and in that context slowbro is better

[vocal dove]

yes!

so what??

lord your getting so argumentative over nothing dude

[spiral fable]

so slowbro isn't very good in ou

nor is infernape

[vocal dove]

i never said they where!!

[spiral fable]

but when you come to this channel

we proivde you with the best way to optimize your team

and unfortunately, sometimes that means cutting the unviable mons, or scrapping the team altogehter

[vocal dove]

dude i couldnt care less about cutting them off

i simply said

i have slowbro for gliscor

and he said

slowking is better

and i said not for gliscor which is what the slot is used up for

[spiral fable]

ok so 3/6 of this team is unviable

and garchomp is teetering on the edge im ngl

[dapper imp]

garchomp is a good mon, its just that there are other ground types that it seriously competes against and outclass it in terms of utility

[spiral fable]

garchomp is not a good mon

[dapper imp]

lando t great tusk gliscor

[vocal dove]

you can criticize me all you want thats what im here for but when ssomeone says something blatantly wrong and argues with me when they dont even understand what im talking about its annoying

[dapper imp]

i mean in general

not ou specifically

[spiral fable]

this team doesn't really work, and it kinda feels like you don't have a lot of knowledge in the tier (which is fine, i just wouldn't recommend building to start out)

i would recommend running a sample team first to learn the tier and what's viable + common team structures first, then you can go back to team building

[vocal dove]

i dont have alot of knowledge in general but building is literally half the fun and whats the point if im not having fun

and im aware of how corny that sounds

[dapper imp]

building isnt just slapping some mons together and calling it a day

you need to account for relavent threats and ways to check them/patch holes in your team

[spiral fable]

this channel is for suggestions on how to give you the best team possible, and sometimes that's scrapping your team

if you want to build for youself and dont mind viability, that's fine, this just isn't the channel for that

[vocal dove]

why are you being so passive agressive i actually tried to build a team

[dapper imp]

im not being passive aggressive...

im literally just making a statement

that is objectively correct

just watch some pinkacross videos

to get a start on how to learn teambuilding

[vocal dove]

my thought process was pretty much "steel,iron,fairy, good" "how can i account for gliscor"

[vocal dove]

so i was doing that

[spiral fable]

ok, but there's more to that

[vocal dove]

i just dont know much

[spiral fable]

which is why i recommended running a sample team

[vocal dove]

i never said that was all!

[spiral fable]

so you can learn the tier

[vocal dove]

how am i supposed to learn how to teambuild tho

[dapper imp]

just play

learn the teamstyles

then build your team

and test

[spiral fable]

when you ladder, you will naturally pick up "o this is a common core that seems good", or "wow this mon is a serious threat i need to account for while building"

[dapper imp]

if you see darkrai 5-0ing your team you probably need a better darkrai check like ting lu or offensive answer like iron valiant

depending on how you structure your team

[vocal dove]

i have! and im generally just not good at picking up stuff like patterns in what cores people have

[dapper imp]

no mon will completely counter another but what is important is having an answer to deal with the threat

[vocal dove]

can someone send me a sample team then?

please

[dapper imp]

its on the ou smogon forms

just search up smogon ou sample teams

[vocal dove]

ok

[dapper imp]

Hyper offense is probably the easiest to play for new players imo

just stack sweepers + a lead

[spiral fable]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

there we go

[vocal dove]

ty

its hard to use a team i havent made because i dont rlly know whats for what tho

ill try

[dapper imp]

if you need clarification, you can always ask in #comp-general

[spiral fable]

some of these come with a rmt

which gives you a few instructions + replays on how to use the team

[crimson ferry]

Trick room work well in OU or nah?

[dapper imp]

no

[crimson ferry]

Rip

[dapper imp]

trick room is gimmicky in singles in general

[spiral fable]

depends

trick room only works when you have insanely powerful breakres to back it up + good troom setters

unfortunately, neither exist in ou right now

you'd be better off looking in natdex gen 9 ubers, or perhaps gen 7 ou

[crimson ferry]

Yeah i'll just give up on that 😭

Finna keep running hyper offense

Darkrai sweeps 🙏🏾

https://pokepast.es/8b69e9000b500017

[weary crypt]

Life orb rilla with 3 moves 🗣️🗣️🗣️genius

The only good rilla set is banded and it just doesn't fit that well on HO imo

And tusk should be bulk up booster speed on HO

[spiral fable]

banded rillaboom is fine on grassy terrain teams

not so much on hyper offense teams

except maybe veil

if you're insane

[spiral fable]

you have the basis of a good hyper offense team but a few of these mons don't work well here

cut rillaboom cut tusk, you dont need either + glimmora is basically hazard removal anyways

not the biggest fan of gholdengo ngl but if you want to run it i would recommend dgleam over recover

you want a powerful breaker for this team so dark glasses kingambit would be a good pick, and then to shore up your fairy weakness you can run iron moth with booster, either 4 atack or 3 attack sub you pick

o alternatively you could run tera flying psyshock ghold instead of dgleam to force tera

on stall teams

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/ec5f134bf33c31dd
BO hazard stack scarfhamu + Lando are the setters sinistcha is the preferred spinblocker instead of dengo otherwise this team gets eaten alive by Pon hatterne is here cause o don’t have a lick of hazard removal okidogi is here for a gambit check grounded poison + checks darkrai and fairy’s ( except prim without Tera ) meow is meow ı could drop the band for something else but o don’t know what

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gentle venture]

By the way helmet on Lando is purely for denying ceaseless edge with u-turn pivoting from meow

My weather öatchup is terrible any advice

[spiral fable]

...why vest haterene?

like i get your hazard control is less than 0

but vest hatterene is ass

[crimson ferry]

https://pokepast.es/0867f8fe04fa6e94

Took your suggestions

[tender pecan]

Just run lefties

[spiral fable]

on second thought, definitely run psyshock over dazzling gleam

if your weather mu is ass why not slot on gking

hatt gets crumpled by most hazard setters anyways

[gentle venture]

This set was from a tournament it did fine for now but i get what you are saying

[crimson ferry]

Gotcha

[junior harness]

What happened lmao 😂

[devout glen]

I was using boots originally but I think I actually prefer booster. The matchups where I'd want to spin multiple times tend to be against fatter teams where keeping the booster isn't very important, and I value the speed control a lot on this team. Scarf is interesting but headlong/spin are extremely exploitable moves to lock myself into, and this team really needs its momentum so idk. Further testing required perhaps

Ty for reply

[rain kernel]

https://pokepast.es/89bdbdc7dcd982b7

Rough draft, adapted from an earlier team. I need some sets updated to form a more cohesive whole. Got some good advice already but it just highlights how I have a lot of potential options.

I've been told Gambit/Lando/Gking/Pult/Zama/spatker is standard BO now. This correct?

[spiral fable]

This sure is bulky offense

You do be bulky and this does have offense

Nothing much to say this is pretty standard

Might experiment with ghold over Pult but I wouldn’t recommend it

[dapper imp]

looking to see how this balance team is looking, looking to build a team that checks some of the gliscor spam that has been happening recently

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/8fd4cacb439e5c3d

[weak vortex]

Make meow tera fire, change dnite to rocks tect garg (tera fairy), make gliscor swords dance to overcome this teams passivity.

I think that’s what I’d change unless anyone else have anything to add

[dapper imp]

aight bet

isnt garg usually run with hazard removal though?

or can garg run hdb

[weak vortex]

You can run boots ye

It’s fine to run it here

[dapper imp]

also how can i check opposing meow

i just realized that he 6-0s this team

[weak vortex]

Oh ye true hold on

[dapper imp]

i wanna keep meow at least tho

cz im building around that

[weak vortex]

Go zama > dnite iron defense

Leave the glisc set as is

[wild helm]

I wanna know how balance this team is, im making it to stall a lot of pokemon. What changes should i make? what pokemon should i get rid of or swap for? https://pokepast.es/a4321ecc65373501

[dapper imp]

yea i had aaa zama with roar in my other team iteration

ironpress should be fine

[weak vortex]

I think toxic gking is better here

[dapper imp]

who are you talking to?

[weak vortex]

You

Mb

lol

[dapper imp]

oh

[weak vortex]

Yeah brother I’m ngl to you

[spiral fable]

This team is unfortunately unviable

[dapper imp]

can i give knock to gliscor too

[weak vortex]

You prob should run samples

[dapper imp]

double knock to put even more pressure

vs other hazard stack

[weak vortex]

Ye keep the set you had

[spiral fable]

Stall team with no stall staples and a bunch of UU-nu mons that frankly don’t have the bulk nor recovery to keep up

[wild helm]

sooo what should i change

[dapper imp]

everything

[spiral fable]

…all 6 mons

[wild helm]

okay can you help me out then

[dapper imp]

arcanine is bad

gothitelle is bad

chansey is bad

[spiral fable]

Atp we might as well just give you a stall sample

[dapper imp]

glimmora is only good in ho

[wild helm]

pls

[dapper imp]

ting lu only fits in bulky/balance

[spiral fable]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[dapper imp]

wo chien is only good on stall

[spiral fable]

Check out quagsire stall

[weak vortex]

Oh the reason why toxic is better btw

Stuff like lando and ting Lu like to come in on it and force it out

You put them on a timer

[dapper imp]

yea, i figured that

pressure switch ins

better than twave

[weak vortex]

Twave is generally better but it helps you vs other balance teams here

[wild helm]

im still kinda new to pvp, what makes a stall team so good, how should i play it etc

[dapper imp]

also i gave tera steel to gliscor

emergency fs absorber

[spiral fable]

Stall teams need to be able to theoretically handle as many threats in the metagame as possible

It’s impossible to check them all this gen but you can get close

[dapper imp]

blissey/dondozo/gliscor is the golden core for stall

[spiral fable]

That’s really the only requirement, but said requirement is insanely hard to satisfy

[wild helm]

yeahhh tell me about it

[spiral fable]

Not really, Dozo has been dropped sometimes

[wild helm]

thank u

[dapper imp]

other mons like quag you need major support tho

[spiral fable]

Don’t build around a core, build around “I have this Mon, what do I need to check so and so threat that this Mon can’t handle”

And keep in mind pure bulk is nothing without pressure to chip down the opponent

[dapper imp]

yea thats my build philosophy

just saying that dozo/blissey/scor are the most important stall mons

[spiral fable]

I honestly wouldn’t recommend building stall it’s a logistical nightmare this generation

It’s always been the hardest of the play styles but it’s even harder now

[wild helm]

yeahh so basically instead of using a core to build around, build to handle threats?

[dapper imp]

yea

think of a mon you want to use

then think about what relavent threats

you need to check

[wild helm]

okay okay

im getting it now

[dapper imp]

countering is impossible ngl with gen9 power creep but checking is what is important

[wild helm]

okay so say i build a team to handle threats, but i dont use it in showdown but instead use it in sword and shield will the team still work good together

[spiral fable]

I would say always start with blissey and gliscor but I’m ngl you need hella experience with the play style to even start

[spiral fable]

???

Sorry, we don’t help with theoretical

Metagames

[wild helm]

oh i got gliscor play style down

[wild helm]

its kind of just a yes or no, isnt there more threats in showdown then say like sword and shield?

[spiral fable]

We don’t help with these kind of theoreticals man

This channel is for SV OU and SV OU only

If you want to build for SS OU, go to old gens OU

if you want to build for in game, it doesn’t matter since you can run basically anything and win

[wild helm]

okay

[spiral fable]

Reminder to everyone posting in this channel, we only help with building for SV OU. If you want help with meta games with rulesets different to those of Smogon/Nintendo, this is not the server to ask.

[wild helm]

whats some of the major threats to a libero cinderace?

[spiral fable]

Please refer to rule 1

[wild helm]

rule 1 is not insulting others

[dapper imp]

better ask this question in #comp-general

[spiral fable]

!nolegends

[viral sable]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[spiral fable]

Rule 6 mb

[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/da69f87c3aaccda3
Had success with this and i was wondering what yall thought

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dapper imp]

Another team but I hated how my previous hazard stack teams were so I tried to make this one more offensive

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/21c80fcceeb13820

[lost sandal]

just because ctc made a team with keldeo doesnt mean it can be used everywhere tbh

[spiral fable]

Keldeo is not good

[weary crypt]

Why no ghold

I'm not really an expert on hazard stack but wouldn't you want the guy that stops all forms of removal

[spiral fable]

No

Hazard stack with a ghost is nice but not necessary

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/f9483fd96b10f22a

[lost sandal]

i mean, mostly yes or just use tera ghost

sinistcha is goated too

[shell stag]

I've been trying this team on ladder and it's working so far: https://pokepast.es/99612e791e72eca7
Would anyone better than me take a look at it?

[lost sandal]

will no sr be an issue?

[delicate pike]

High elo overlods, would you take a look at this?

[delicate pike]

Pinkacross would be turning in his grave if he was dead

[sly pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/9158aef8a5e3d3f0 thoughts?

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly pulsar]

5 of them are just there to do dragon things

And dugtrio alola to tank dragon and ice and fairy attacks and create setup opportunities with memento

Really just because i needed something to cover my dragon weaknesses

[dapper imp]

Wdym

[dapper imp]

Do u have any recommended changes?

[dull plume]

Alolan Dugtrio to what now?

[sly pulsar]

oh wait ur right this thing cant take a hit

[dapper imp]

Alolan dugtrip is NOT a tank

[sly pulsar]

replaced with gholdengo

and replaced dragonite with latios

[dapper imp]

This is not monotype, 3 of your mons aren’t even viable and there doesn’t look like there is any synergy between your moms

[dull plume]

You get dunked on by pult

You have no hazards or hazard removal in a metagame where they are abundant

[delicate pike]

he's a keldeo hater

[dapper imp]

oof

[lost sandal]

why

[lost sandal]

no?

he said the ctc team was good

[delicate pike]

yes he is

[lost sandal]

so idk wym

[weak vortex]

#comp-general

[delicate pike]

so?

[delicate pike]

.

[lost sandal]

rmt please :3

[weak vortex]

Link

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/f9483fd96b10f22a
here

[weak vortex]

Make ting lu rocks

[lost sandal]

ok

anything else

[weak vortex]

Zama can be all out attacking here

Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Heavy Slam
• Crunch
• Stone Edge

You can run ice fang > edge for gliscor which has risen to become a nuisance to many teams

Should be ok otherwise

Maybe toxic gking here too

[ebon ember]

Yo

https://pokepast.es/b734e51328527b38

This team just randomly stopped winning

[dapper imp]

isnt ironpress usually better on zama on offense?