#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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bitter otter
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weavile should work as a counter with outsped low kick, no?

craggy atlas
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sucker punch

bitter otter
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true, i did not think about that

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zamazenta, iron valiant?

craggy atlas
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no removal or recovery

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+valiant is frail

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and my breaking core is full

bitter otter
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need a mon to replace with a knock-off er

weak vortex
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I’m gonna be real there is no clear direction with this team. It also has ribombee which is usually on Hyper offense as a webs setter then a defensive Mon like ting Lu and alomomola. I’d highly suggest samples to get a feel for the meta and also team structures and mons that work together.

spiral fable
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!gen9ousamples

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craggy atlas
lost sandal
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ah yes the classic pokeaim/blunder team

spiral fable
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you dont need to repost it

craggy atlas
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when can i expect feedback

spiral fable
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whenever a rater has time

craggy atlas
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👍

lost sandal
craggy atlas
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prob not

spiral fable
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no

lost sandal
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needed a bit of help there

spiral fable
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raters will get to your team when they have the time

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we can all see it

lost sandal
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okay

half merlin
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Everything other than that is good though?

winged gate
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phy or spA valiant better for this team

orchid nacelle
winged gate
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gholdengo and glimmora

orchid nacelle
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Glimmora ain't a suicide lead?

orchid nacelle
winged gate
winged gate
orchid nacelle
# winged gate alrighty

So the idea is metoer beam will get powered up by powerherb single turn will also increase sp atk by 1.5x and it might just take out the opponent Mon too

winged gate
tender pecan
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I'd say swap it for taunt since this team has no way of dealing with big defensive walls

winged gate
tender pecan
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that works, either or tho I'd run encore somewhere

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also I'd make glimmora sash so you can at least ensure rocks go up

orchid nacelle
tender pecan
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that set is not good here

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HO wants to ensure something goes up

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be it hazards or screens

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that set likes screen support, webs or just being run alongside another lead

orchid nacelle
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dapper imp
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is skeledirge a good addition to my team?

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i needed a blanket check to sun after discovering that my team crumples under gouging fire in the sun and a way to check zam

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new one

lost sandal
lost sandal
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chat?

fringe ledge
fierce basin
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If you run screens, it should be something you fully lean into. You wouldn't run screens and then a clodsire or alomomola, these mons don't benefit or take advantage. This looks like it would be parts of 3 separate teams instead of one cohesive team

fringe ledge
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noted

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what should i run instead of grimmsnarl?

lost sandal
spiral fable
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Chill

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The raters will get to your team when they have the time

fierce basin
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Well this team doesn't have a knock absorber and seems to want to keep its boots so you could go w a knock absorber, or maybe a waterpon check aside from having to tera your own ogerpon/speed boosting w Blaziken. Blaziken also probably isn't worth keeping without the screens but I can't say I've tried Blaziken to know. I'm also not at my computer to calc but I assume neutral Blaziken can't kill waterpon

spiral fable
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Clod shouldn’t be here at all

fierce basin
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Unfortunately gliscor would be weird here cause it's your third ground, I'm not totally sure what I'd do w your team

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Clod yes I think is mainly on stall semi stall

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It's all weird I'm not sure I'm educated enough to get back to you with a working version of this. I just wanted to give the advice I could

spiral fable
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It’s split between Hyper Offense, Balance, and Stall

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You have Blaziken, Grimmsnarl, and BU tusk, but also Ogerpon and Mola, then Clodsire chilling there

fringe ledge
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do the best you can, im not gonna push ya to find some crazy answer

fierce basin
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Appreciate ur understanding spidgetpray

spiral fable
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This isn’t really fixable without dropping half the team or more, and at that point you might as well just run a sample team instead

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For future reference, Clod is too passive for most teams, and can only slot itself onto stall or extremely fat balance teams

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Grimmsnarl is basically worthless outside of the screens it sets, so you should run hyper offense and stack high powered sweepers to back it up and make the most out of screens

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Blaziken is pretty niche, but finds most usage on bulky offense and hyper offense as a niche swords dance sweeper

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Ogerpon-Teal is used as a fast pivot that can Knock and Encore slower threats, finding itself mostly on balance due to competing with its other forms for places on faster paced offense teams

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Bulk Up Tusk has a one time use item, and thus wants to get in and stay in, slotting more comfortably on Grassy Terrain/Hyper Offense teams

fringe ledge
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so what im getting is like
i should probably drop the team, but build some other teams around the pokemon I already have on it

spiral fable
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Yes

fierce basin
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Yes

fringe ledge
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alright

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that sounds fine

fierce basin
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You can build good teams w all these guys just not together

spiral fable
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Honestly you had a solid core with Grimm + Bulk Up Tusk

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(though maybe not use grimm maybe like atales or Deoxys-Speed as a screens setter)

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And then you can back it up with stuff like Zamazenta Gambit Dnite Moth etc etc

fringe ledge
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ive played 5 matches with this team and have only lost one
so thats pretty interesting

spiral fable
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The team might work at first, but I assume you're at a lower elo?

fringe ledge
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yeah

topaz narwhal
fringe ledge
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i think for now ill stick it but ill definitely make some other teams

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using the pokemon i have in it already

spiral fable
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Unfortunately low ladder is pretty flawed, and you can run a lot of... subpar teams and find good success

fierce basin
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You will get smoked playing this team when you get high enough

fringe ledge
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yeah once ran into a trick room oranguru + indeedee + guts ursaluna
might be the most annoying team ive ever faced

spiral fable
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The higher you climb the more you will notice this team's flaws:
Grimmsnarl's screens can only be used by two of these teammates, and the other 3 just burn its turns for little gain
Clodsire is too passive and slows the team down, allowing the opponents to recover their HP and set up hazards in your face
etc etc

fringe ledge
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mhm

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alright

spiral fable
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if you just want to mess around in low ladder you can definitely run this to decent success but around 1500ish you should probably look to improve the team

fringe ledge
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yeah thats probably a good idea

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anything else you want to add?

spiral fable
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nah i think i covered it

fringe ledge
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alright thanks yall

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really appreciate the advice

spiral fable
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np

fringe ledge
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as the number 1 clodsire fan

spiral fable
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unfortunately clodsire is very niche in ou :(

fierce basin
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Clodsire only fits on stall or semi stall rly

spiral fable
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one day he will get the stat buff he deserves, but until then please dont run him on anything other than stall or super fat balance

fierce basin
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At least imo but I'm washed

fringe ledge
spiral fable
fringe ledge
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sorry if this is like interrupting or something

spiral fable
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wait this is literally a sample team that you took and modified

spiral fable
fringe ledge
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so would skarmory + clefable + clodsire + alomomola work as a basic core for a stall team?

lost sandal
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made by ctc or sm1

spiral fable
spiral fable
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there's some variation though, if you're interested in building stall you can check out the stall bible, has all the viable sets for stall mons

fringe ledge
spiral fable
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here ya go

fringe ledge
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thanks a lot man

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really appreciate that

spiral fable
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np

lost sandal
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it might be just me but stall invokes strong feelings within me

dapper imp
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there is an entire discord server dedicated to stall

fringe ledge
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oh and uh one more thing

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how exactly does a balanced team work?

spiral fable
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no real guide but youd want to use mons like ting lu and skarmory as your hazard setter, then have a knocker like meow/ogerpon-teal/weavile, then a mix of offense and defence

fringe ledge
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thanks

dusky kindle
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gliscor another great choice for hazard user

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for balance

fringe ledge
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might swap life orb for focus sash

half merlin
humble monolith
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I think its pretty good, the only thing I can really think about changing is maybe the speed on hatterene

half merlin
spiral fable
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this is not solid im ngl

spiral fable
humble monolith
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Sorry

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I'm new

spiral fable
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stevie ill get ot this later, theres some tweaks you should make

brave turtle
fossil wasp
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Hello all! I'm a complete newbie to competitive pokemon, so I'm looking for reviews or tips on this team I'm building. I have no teambuilding knowledge whatsoever so this is the first one I've made that (kind of) covers each others weaknesses and gets me wins

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I would be grateful for any sort of help milkheart

junior harness
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Rain isn’t that great in OU anymore and pelipper is just better than politoed

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This deo set looks like something that belongs on HO

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I suggest locking in on an archetype before building

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But at the very least you are not one of these people who absolutely refuse to use good mons and want to keep their “Favorites”

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I hope

fossil wasp
junior harness
junior harness
fossil wasp
# junior harness I hope

Lmao I had the urge to resist using Slowking (G) because I didn't like it's design, trust me. I just realized after using a team analysis tool online that he's my best bet against all the fairy and hatterenes I've been going up against

junior harness
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Glowking is not that hard to use

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The easiest way to explain is

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It has high spdef

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It has an ability that regenerates hp when switching

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You switch it into a special move that it can take

fossil wasp
junior harness
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You chilly out, boom, momentum

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Glowking is actually used a lot on offense as a spdef pivot and a kyurem softcheck

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If it’s special kyurem

fossil wasp
junior harness
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But since you are new

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I suggest trying out the sample teams

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They give a good idea on what a good team looks like

dull plume
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As someone who doesn’t play SV at all. You probably don’t want Glowking.

junior harness
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!gen9samples

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SV Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3736089/
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LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712989/
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junior harness
fossil wasp
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I'll just keep playing until I get the mechanics down. I'm still not that good with predictions and get brain fudge moments anyways

dull plume
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On rain?

junior harness
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Wdym it’s A tier on the VR rankings

junior harness
fossil wasp
junior harness
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It allows you to reset rain turns, which is kinda niche

dull plume
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All it does it reset rain while crippling your own Politoed.

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Then you lose all momentum

junior harness
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When toed switches back in it sets rain again.

Also use pelipper

dull plume
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I’m well aware

fossil wasp
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I'm scared by that 4x lightning weakness

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Peli has access to u-turn right?

dull plume
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Yes

fossil wasp
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Great

junior harness
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It’s not a standard pick on rain but rain ain’t great anyways

junior harness
fossil wasp
junior harness
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But tldr

spiral fable
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all weather is unreliable this gen but sun is best out of the three

junior harness
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Rain isn’t great and as a new player you should try out the samples

fossil wasp
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I'm still absolutely devastated how my truck can't do truck things anymore

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RIP Basculegion'

spiral sand
viral sableBOT
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spiral sand
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Anything I can improve?

junior harness
lament lily
spiral sand
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What are you aiming for with your team?

spiral fable
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Not a bigfan of mola either honestly

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i dont think double stacking ting lu and great tusk works for this team

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either pick one or another

spiral sand
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So I do nor need any hazard removal? Kyurem is choice specs, so should I swap Ting lu for something else?

spiral fable
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or you can drop ting lu for something else

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other than that, you really don't need 3 pivots especially if they're all defensive

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or ig two pivots and cinderace is kinda just there

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if you want to run cinderace you have to use court change

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otehrwise you might as well just use dpult (which hoenstly isnt bad)

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actually you could try seomthing like dpult over mola, cinderace is bulky with court change and wisp, and sweeper like zama or gambit over ting lu

lament lily
tropic ice
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Balance by definition is a decently even mix of offense and defense

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If you're looking to lean more defensive, you could be in semistall territory

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Regardless though

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sash hamurott is a dedicated lead

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and only really fits on Hyper Offense

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I also cannot imagine a situation where Weavile is actually sponging enough hits for lefties to be beneficial

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(It kinda just dies when it gets hit)

lament lily
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fair enough

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but i dont want to use stall because its just unfun to fight and play

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so how should i change my teamto be more balanced?

tropic ice
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Not a rater, so grain of salt, but samurott does not fit and needs to be replaced with something, I'm not sure what tbh.
Weavile should probably be boots sd, and glowking may be better as it's boots pivot set as well.
I also think that tera dragon skarm would be useful to help ease the ogerpon-w matchup

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oh, and you're missing rocks

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you can have skarm be your rocker and make glisc spikes > sub

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or vice versa ig

lament lily
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ok thanks dude

spiral fable
lament lily
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will try out

tropic ice
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oh yeah

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if you're hazard stack, ghold is worth considering

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to block defog + spin

lament lily
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ok

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are there good hazard stack sample teams i could try then?

spiral fable
lament lily
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thanks dude

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is that hazard stack or just a better version of my original team?

spiral fable
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that is hazard stack

lament lily
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ok thanks

lost sandal
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sent this 12 hours ago SmogSob

topaz narwhal
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u literally just posted it

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and people here have lives and do this voluntarily

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be patient

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be grateful they will even look at your team

lost sandal
topaz narwhal
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im saying be patient

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someone will get to your team eventually

lost sandal
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i get that you didnt get to it maybe you were busy

topaz narwhal
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ok doesnt matter

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be patient

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im not a rater

lost sandal
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i mean

topaz narwhal
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but the other raters have lives

lost sandal
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will someone look at a link 12 hours ago

topaz narwhal
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u could have posted it 3 days ago and it would still be fine

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u can repost it, just dont need to keep asking people to rate it

lost sandal
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mb mb

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really sorry man

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will keep this in mind

dusky kindle
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hazards are nice but yeah idk, defog also isn't the most reliable method of getting hazards off

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maybe something like ting lu or gliscor would be better

lost sandal
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i also wanted a dark type to balance dengo and draga's weaknesses

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maybe i could run something like darkrai instead or kingambit?

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samu also provides priority

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im not really sure i dont build many balance teams

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it also is the only knocker in this team

dapper imp
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how important is having toxic absorbers

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i have weavile and prima to pressure gliscor

spiral fable
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not really

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ost teams should come with a built in toxic absorber, whether it be a steel type, clef, or your own gliscor

dapper imp
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mhm

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hasnt really affected my team even though ive seen gliscor a few times

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i think im fine

lost sandal
spiral fable
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most

lost sandal
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oh i see

lost sandal
spiral fable
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yes, that slso absorbs toxic

lost sandal
spiral fable
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ask in com pgen

lost sandal
spiral fable
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ok

dapper imp
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what does ost mean?

lost sandal
dapper imp
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oh

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should i throw one in regardless

lost sandal
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throw what

dapper imp
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struggling to think whether to keep dirge (zam and sun check) or throw in air baloon gold

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toxic absorber

spiral fable
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take this to #comp-general if you aren't posting the full team

dapper imp
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ok

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wait ima just put my team here

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even tho i did it twice since yesterday

spiral fable
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i could've sworn ive rated this team before

spiral fable
dapper imp
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whats wrong with weavile and dirge

spiral fable
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dirge is ass and weavile only fits on balance

dapper imp
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isnt dirge in one of the sample teams tho

spiral fable
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swap out primarina for gking for a better fairy check, slot on mixed pult and pick another sweeper (probably dnite/gambit/gouging)

dapper imp
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kk

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is it fine that im asking alot of questions

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i actually do wanna know how to make a good team cuz i enjoy using my mons and its actually fun to see your mons mesh together

lost sandal
spiral fable
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your team was just rated by chris

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i do not undersatnd why you are pinging me for

lost sandal
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okay

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sorry again

lost sandal
spiral fable
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he was pretty clear in his suggestions

lost sandal
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he said tinglu for samurott

spiral fable
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ting lu or gliscor

lost sandal
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is tinglu good on balance teams

spiral fable
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both are fine

spiral fable
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ting lu is one of the defining mons on balance

lost sandal
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i rarely make balanc teams so im not really sure what fits

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okay

spiral fable
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then you should listen to chris

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he knows what he's doing

lost sandal
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also if i dont have a knocker/priority, is that fine

spiral fable
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yes, if you really want you can just run gliscor with knock

lost sandal
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okay, thank you both @spiral fable and @dusky kindle

fossil wasp
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i completely wiped out the past team and made a new bulky offense team

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i survived 40 rounds without a pokemon on my side dying at all so i'd say that's a good start

half merlin
spiral fable
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theres more issues but that's the big one

fossil wasp
spiral fable
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enamorus ig but you dont need a scarfer

fossil wasp
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like for the whole bulk team in general or should I just replace it with a priority mon

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if that's the only comment on my team then I suppose it's decent enough

spiral fable
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no theres more

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its just 4 am and i cannot formulate my thoughts rn

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might get back oto this in the morning

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heatran sucks here

lost sandal
spiral fable
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ok so we've already given you the advice

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i dont know why you would want to repost it considering all we would say is "wow you followed the advice"

native smelt
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native smelt
brave turtle
# half merlin Idk

well i’d say try to pick a direction, but i’ll go ahead and assume you wanted a more offensive balanced type team. basically half the team is setup so against faster paced teams there’s not a whole lot you can do

half merlin
orchid nacelle
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I used scizor for revenge killer

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Are there better options?

dusky kindle
dusky kindle
# native smelt is there anything I lose to? anything I should put on

Your squad is a bit passive, you have a bunch of standard "good" pokemon but I'm not sure what your win condition is in most matchups. Hazards + meow is a start but physical walls like skarmory and bulky sweepers like gouging fire could give you some trouble.

I would recommend either leaning harder into balance, maybe dropping Lando for gliscor and Samurott for something else, or leaning more offensive and switching out corv for zamazenta

orchid nacelle
dusky kindle
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All pokemon have counters

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Just up to you to format the team to cover for them

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If you're really concerned about ghosts use kingambit

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How has the team been performing on ladder

orchid nacelle
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Well

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Decent

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Haven't played much battles

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I will tell u after that

dusky kindle
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Try to use the team before asking for a rate

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Then you can ask better questions like how do I deal with specific threat

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Then you can also make your own adjustments as you realize your weaknesses

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I would recommend at least ten games before posting

orchid nacelle
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@dusky kindle quick question do I go for blizzard or ice beam?

dusky kindle
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usually ice beam

brave turtle
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also maybe make hatterene a healing wish support mon and with hatt and treads you can slot av on prim

half merlin
quick bluff
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tried building around offensive lando

orchid nacelle
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@dusky kindle I did some matches and I realised I do got some problems agaisnt priority moves + quark drive mons so Im gonna replace scizor with dragonite

orchid nacelle
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I found my weak point @dusky kindle

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It's speed

dusky kindle
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well dragontie should help wit hthat

orchid nacelle
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@dusky kindle should I do a choice scarf kyruem cause it's get outspeed a lot of time and dies

dusky kindle
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no, just switch out

orchid nacelle
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Alright

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Also do I use iron moth or heatran? @dusky kindle

dusky kindle
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they both are fine

spiral fable
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You don’t need to keep pinging him lol

dusky kindle
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if you really arent sure about your team try a sample team

spiral fable
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He has this chat open

dusky kindle
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!samples

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!gen9ousamples

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quick bluff
orchid nacelle
viral sableBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dusky kindle
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try dragonite and focus on figuring out the right gameplan

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instead of worrying about changing the team

orchid nacelle
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Alr

dusky kindle
# quick bluff bump

since your lando is offensive you will need backup checks to things lando usually checks. Couple exzamples would be gouging fire, kingambit, zamazenta, Roaring moon

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dont think you really need cinderace on this structure

quick bluff
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i could probably drop cindy yeah, I just feel the wisp support is nice

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should i drop cinderace for like hexpult?

dusky kindle
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that coudl work yeah

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would be good against band and bulky gouging at least

fossil wasp
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I made another team without thinking it through but this one somehow brings me the most success. Idk what to call the team since I didn't even consider its archetype while building it

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Also, normal gem explosion might be the most funniest shit ever

spiral fable
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this doesn't really work

spiral fable
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i would recommend running a sample team for now, this team is all over the place, split between three different playstyles with 2 unviable mons

fossil wasp
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i really didnt think this through

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got it, thanks

spiral fable
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!gen9ousamples

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fossil wasp
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ig its time to stop being stubborn and actually try out the sample teams

spiral fable
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if you want to build meme teams that's fine, just don't post them here please, it just wastes our time beacuse we'll say "go back to samples"

fossil wasp
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ill actually try to think of something this time after using the samples

noble garnet
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https://pokepast.es/693df0f5bd4d64ae can someone help me with this team? Usually, I dislike hazard stacks, but I like using Scarada and Garg so I tried to make one anyway. I tried to play without spikes, but it's not working very well

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Rn my first instinct would be to remove that iron crown, but idk who i should use instead of him

spiral fable
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that's just a link to the teambuilder lol

noble garnet
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woops

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sorry

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now it should work

fossil wasp
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I'm amazed at how well the sample teams work now that I've actually tried it

tender pecan
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yeah that tends to be the point

tender pecan
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you need them

noble garnet
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i know, thats why im here

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i never used a real h stacks so idk who could work well in this team

tender pecan
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like hazard stack teams tend to not deal a lot of damage directly relying on hazards with knock off

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tbh I'm not the best at hazard stack myself

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but I'll throw my two cents

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you can pretty easily swap garg to its rocks set and then make Ting Lu spikes which solves that problem

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beyond that I'm not personally the biggest fan of specs on crown

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if you wanna swap it, maybe throw on defensive nasty plot or scarf gholdengo

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ghold is useful for hazard stack

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but then there comes a problem where you don't have a lot of knock off users

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this'll not do great into opposing bootspam without them

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you do have meow but thats it

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you could consider swapping Ting lu for gliscor

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plus gliscor can heal and isn't too reliant on alomomola as a result

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and is a decent knock absorber, once you get toxic orb to activate

noble garnet
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Im not a huge ghold fan myself

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I was thinking about switching crown with spikes gliscor

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As i would like to keep that garg set

tender pecan
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ting lu and gliscor and garg on the same team is rly inviting for offensive great tusk, walking wake and waterpon to begin wreaking havoc

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ghold isn't amazing into either waterpon or tusk without a tera, but scarf gholdengo can be useful against something like tusk

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since it outspeeds and can press dazzling gleam

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plus, you block rapid spin and defog

noble garnet
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Doesnt alo already deal woth tusk?

tender pecan
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I mean yeah but thats a lot of pressure on one mon

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and it doesn't solve waterpon

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in fact it blanks into waterpon

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oh ye specs kyurem would give you trouble if you had glisc ting lu and garg

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tldr I'd advise not to

noble garnet
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I was thinking about using a full defensive waterpon with spikes

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But it also gets destroyed by kyu so lets discard it lol

tender pecan
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Kyu is a very annoying MU for balance

noble garnet
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Wait

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Sinitcha

tender pecan
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It's a big balance breaker lol

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Sinistcha is not bad

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Pult is pretty good against offense

noble garnet
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Yeah

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Maybe at that point we may even discard pult

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So we dont get a double knock off weakness

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But i liked it so far so idk

tender pecan
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Pult is good against offence so I wouldn't

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status and whatnot

noble garnet
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Mhhh

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Maybe i should really just drop that garg set

tender pecan
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But so is sinistcha

noble garnet
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And embrace the stealth rock

tender pecan
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Curse set is fine but I'd rather rocks here

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personally anyway

noble garnet
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Thing is, i dont like to play with it

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So idk

tender pecan
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It is up to you

noble garnet
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I will keep 2 version

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One with rock garg

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And one with idk, rock+spikes ting lu

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Maybe i can drop ruin

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As i can already do pretty reliable damage even to tankier mon

spiral fable
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dont run double hazards on ting lu

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way too little sustain and if it goes down you have no way of keeping up hazards

noble garnet
#

I have wish : (

quick bluff
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double hazard lu also is even more vulnerable to taunt

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even with mola would not recommend

gleaming edge
dapper imp
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ik this is like the third team i posted here but can anyone help me how to improve my matchup vs rillaboom

tropic ice
dapper imp
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trying to make a hazard stack team but im not familiar with balance archetype

tropic ice
dapper imp
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g terrain wood hammer go brrrrrrr

gleaming edge
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im guessing corv instead of molt?

tropic ice
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that looks good to me, though grain of salt, as I'm not a rater

dapper imp
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alright

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what ranking are u?

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also i changed toxic on pex to baneful bunker

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so it can scout stuff and i already have a bunch of status spreaders

brave turtle
dapper imp
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damn

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well rip pex then

brave turtle
#

a quick fix would just be iron press corviknight over gliscor tho which helps a little but pex isn’t the right fit for this team imo

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at least if ur goin for semi stall which it seems like

dapper imp
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i switched pex to moltres

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so its actually a balance team like i intended

brave turtle
#

i feel u need some more offensive pressure if ur goin for balance

dapper imp
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yea youre right

spiral fable
#

You can go kyurem, or bolt, or Zamazenta

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Or ghold

gleaming edge
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no switch to corv tho

gleaming edge
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oh god stall matchup is horrible nvm

gleaming edge
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went tera dark on tusk but idk if it helps that much

native smelt
dusky kindle
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yeah, read the rest of what i said

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you should pick balance or offence and then make changes

native smelt
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Zam could help

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Glisc nice wall

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Idk who to out sam for tho

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Figured I needed a water type plus he sets spikes

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shrewd zealot
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chat am i cooking or is it over

tropic ice
# shrewd zealot https://pokepast.es/aad09e7df8b6d9b4

Not a rater, so grain of salt. You could probably build a team around hydrei if you wanted to, but av gross and cincinno aren't particularly good. Red card lucha is kinda weird, and lucha really only slots into Hyper Offense anyways. Venoshock pex is funny, but I can't imagine it being terribly consistent

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What style of team are you aiming to build?

spiral fable
#

yeah cincinno and metagros... really aren't good

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in fact, most of this team just doesn't work

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none of these sets are viable, and i would heavily recommend you use a sample team for now to learn the metagame first

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
native smelt
native smelt
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this team is not dealing with setup sweepers well

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ill just get an unaware mon

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ill go with dirge ig

junior harness
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But if you replace with tusk

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Then your team is just 5 fairy weaknesses

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And booster SD iron valiant 6-0s

orchid nacelle
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Hmm I also got some problems agaisnt setup sweepers

junior harness
orchid nacelle
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Wait le me send u my team

junior harness
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Oh and certain physical walls can also deal with them.

orchid nacelle
orchid nacelle
native smelt
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and i'm tryna avoid fairy weakness

junior harness
orchid nacelle
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Oh ;-;

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But

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How do I deal with setup sweepers

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Special those who uses quark drive speed

junior harness
orchid nacelle
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Maybe a unaware lead like clodsire helps?

junior harness
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You don’t lead clod

orchid nacelle
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Should I go with choice band dragapault instead of dragonite

junior harness
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Band pult requires a more specific structure to build around

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Idk

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For more I’d suggest waiting for the raters

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I just went ahead and did everything I know for sure isn’t great

orchid nacelle
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Speed quark drive mons is my main weakness

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Extreme speed dragonite won't work good

spiral fable
orchid nacelle
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I did

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A lot of times

spiral fable
#

why is gking poison heatran fire and meow grass tera

orchid nacelle
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I messed teras

spiral fable
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ok well dont

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if you want to go hstack dedicate fully

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dont run boots spam and then drop two hazard weak mons as well

orchid nacelle
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I got some problems agaisnt speed

spiral fable
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drop heatran drop dnite

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slot on rocker and spiker, make sure one (or both) are knock absorbers

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you shouldn't be having issues with speed control but if you really want drop meow for boots ogerpon

orchid nacelle
#

Alright

spiral fable
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o yeah your wellspring mu kinda mid you probably want skarm + another hazard setter

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could be gliscor, could be ting lu

lost sandal
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how to deal with garganacl

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the tera and iron defense set

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really struggling against it

native smelt
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tender pecan
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ok so

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a few things

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cinderace ain't that great on HO, it does provide hazard control and means you can swap the the hazards set on your side, but its damage output just isn't that high especially after you blow libero on something like court change meaning you lose your stabs, offensive great tusk is much better hazard control on HO or no hazard control at all, sometimes offence doesn't care too much, I'll touch on this more in a second

secondly, no lead is a big glaring point, HO teams do like to get up hazards or screens rly quickly, and while I can understand circumventing this with cinderace, do consider that against something like say, balance, if they at any point get up hazards after you've already court changed, it makes your one form of removal much more redundant. and again cinderace isn't super consistent on HO

this does look a fair bit like the dark spam HO sample team, so you could use that, alternatively you could try out some other HO sweepers like Iron Valiant and slot on a lead like deoxys speed over cinderace, who can also help with hazards by using taunt to deny them temporarily

native smelt
#

damn an essay

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ill read it rq

native smelt
tender pecan
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if you want an offensive pivot you can switch waterpon to a u turn set

native smelt
#

Nah that thing NEEDS play rough

tender pecan
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nah I mean over SD

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pivots don't run set up

native smelt
#

oger is still super powerful with that move

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so ill just pass on pivoting oppurtunity

tender pecan
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in regards to alo nintales and aurora veil setup well thats screens HO

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which isn't as consistent but can work

native smelt
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consistent?

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why

tender pecan
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screens in general just isn't amazing this gen

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its by no means bad it can work

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but its a bit more MU dependent

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I would highly recommend running Kyurem if you run alo ninetales btw

native smelt
#

Screens snow must be a beast

tender pecan
#

mixed ddance kyurem or just physical ddance kyurem loves the screens as well as the snow defence boost to become an absolute monster

native smelt
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I don't have experience running kyu thoe

native smelt
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for those two spots

tender pecan
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alo ninetales for cinderace imo

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and then kyurem for dnite

native smelt
#

Ah, k

tender pecan
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also if you don't run hazard control, I'd drop sash on darkrai for boots or life orb

native smelt
#

I'll also try deoxys S and glimm teams too

tender pecan
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for glimm you have the sample team btw

native smelt
tender pecan
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it is up to you

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boots is good too

native smelt
#

Def boots

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now ill just build the sets

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I'll run the mixed set

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Far more versatile

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Wait, no im seeing its bulk

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Phys it is

lost sandal
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or is this fine

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tried to go for bulky offense

tender pecan
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this is not BO 😭

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this is between BO and balance tbh

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actually this is leaning way more to balance

lost sandal
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i tried going balance

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but i thought theres no balance without stealth rock

tender pecan
lost sandal
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so i tried changing it to a type of bulky offence

tender pecan
#

ah

lost sandal
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im not really great at any type of balance/offence

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i really am more into hyperoffense

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but i think BO will be much more stable

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than HO

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so will balance i think

tender pecan
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I am busy atm

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so I'll get back to this later

lost sandal
quick bluff
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wrong channel

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this is for singles ou

fast island
#

Oops

lost sandal
fast island
quick bluff
lost sandal
lost sandal
fast island
quick bluff
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i’m also iffy on band meow especially with corv as your only removal

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i would say make everything boots, and then drop corv (bc you need it much less after that change) and i think also drop zama on this build

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make glowking toxic over twave to exert more pressure

fast island
quick bluff
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and then the last two slots should be hazard setters, i think glisc and garg would be best here

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standard sets should work for both of them

lost sandal
quick bluff
grave ginkgo
lost sandal
trail fossil
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trail fossil
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I tried to make an offense team

dusky kindle
#

Also not sure gouging fire is the best choice with no removal

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You don't have a very good kyurem switch in so you'll have to pressure it offensively

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Could slot in any kyurem check in the gouging fire slot

dusky kindle
# trail fossil https://pokepast.es/53a41361dd683d4b

I don't really like specs pult here as you can end up in some bad spots vs Kingambit who you don't have very solid switch ins for or Ting Lu who can set up hazards and pressure cinderace. Specs kyurem could be good if you really want or something like Raging Bolt since you have solid hazard control otherwise. Or just regular pult. You also lack a kyurem switch in apart from a one time darkrai sash so consider something like Iron Crown as a good special attacker

trail fossil
dusky kindle
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Dragapult

trail fossil
#

Okay

half merlin
#

Took me 5 mins to maje

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Make

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Someone rate pls

fierce basin
#

idk why you have uturn on ogerpon, it's h.o you have nothing to u-turn to. I don't really see the point in boots on zamazenta considering you have a suicide lead with removal and a speed booster tusk with spin. Please don't make teams in 5 minutes and then just post them here without testing. Playtesting can help you notice obvious stuff, will help you become a better player, and can help you notice problems that you can then request teambuilding help with

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hope this helps and have a good day

half merlin
#

Didnt

half merlin
dull plume
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To fix issues that your team still has after testing

weak vortex
#

Reread what they said you made the team in 5 minutes as you said. As we raters we prefer you have tested your team prior to getting it rated. So you at first hand could notice major threats or flaws to your team. Then we help you make adjustments that you can’t see.

dull plume
#

If raters had to rate hastily made teams they’d be backloaded on teams to rate when half of them could’ve been fixed beforehand

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Plus someone just telling you something works over another isn’t usually the best way to get knowledge of something

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You need to understand why

sly mauve
half merlin
#

Why not fix the issue before so theres never actually an issue

weak vortex
#

Sigh

grim hill
#

Because people have lives and you are taking up their time

sly mauve
#

also its a complete waste of time because ur not actually building but rather slapping 6 common ho mons together

half merlin
dull plume
#

Genuinely think you’d be better off using a sample than leaving everything to raters

half merlin
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The thing is i dont

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Im new to team building and comp in general

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Im trying to learn stuff

sly mauve
half merlin
#

Using sampke teams dont help

sly mauve
#

before you teambuild you need to understand why each mon on the team is there

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here check out smogon rmt

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and they will explain that to you

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mirror the logic and make a team

half merlin
#

Hearing from actual human beings who know what theyre on about is way better imo

sly mauve
#

well start with this

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it seems to me like you dont understand what ho is

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learn the different styles, read up online and then ask people for help

spiral fable
grim hill
spiral fable
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And it’s frustrating for us to look at a team, just to see flaws that could’ve easily be found by playing a few games

dull plume
sly mauve
spiral fable
#

First round is up

sly mauve
#

oh shoot

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did i miss it

half merlin
spiral fable
#

Subs are open till Wednesday

sly mauve
#

let me check smogon

spiral fable
half merlin
spiral fable
#

And then when we do, pointing out obvious flaws, it’s a waste

dull plume
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No

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It’s not

sly mauve
grim hill
spiral fable
grim hill
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You are wasting their time

brave turtle
#

ragebait lol

half merlin
half merlin
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How

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How is that wasting peoples time

sly mauve
half merlin
#

I didnt?

sly mauve
#

do you still need help

half merlin
#

Why you lying for?

sly mauve
#

you literally did but ok

dull plume
half merlin
#

Do that then

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No ones forcing anyone to rate teams

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You aint robots

grim hill
#

Great, we can start by ending this conversation then

dull plume
#

Yay

spiral fable
#

Really just drop corv for lando/gliscor and then Meow for Kyurem

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(You can also pick another spattacker like bolt I just like kyurem best)

half merlin
#

Put everything from before behind us gng 🙏🙏

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We all crashout sometimes 🙏🙏

tropic ice
half merlin
weak vortex
#

HO = hyper offense which is what your team is

half merlin
weak vortex
#

🤦🏾‍♂️ lol ok

native smelt
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half merlin
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I just said i know

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Someone rate pls

tropic ice
#

(4/6 ig cause the ghold is bulky)

grizzled scarab
#

no its bc you are being ungrateful to those raters that are just doing their job

brisk cedar
#

yeah its just a bad slowking ho

tropic ice
#

So basically, if you don’t want it to be HO, so much has to change that it’s a completely different team

native smelt
fierce basin
# native smelt https://pokepast.es/0e1124dbc94527dc can sm1 help me with this team I lose to za...

Yeah you're definitely way too weak to zama, I didn't even read your msg before I clicked and that's what I thought immediately. You could try speed booster cm iron crown as a setup mon under screens which also has the potential to use psychic noise which goes through zamas sub, I generally think scarf enamorus is niche but I think it fits fine here with healing wish to potentially give a sweeper another chance once it brute forces past its checks, while also being good vs zama. You could also give your own zama roar to beat other zamas, or a speed booster bulk up tusk w tera ghost would work too. I'm on my phone so I can't give you an updated paste sorry. Hope this helps good luck n have fun

half merlin
#

But if you wanna cope thats fine

half merlin
#

Is it a bad HO team

tropic ice
#

At the very least, gking should probably be something that adds to your team’s offensive presence , and helps to keep the pressure on

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And you probably want a more offensive ghold set

half merlin
lost sandal
tender pecan
#

you can mess with both

#

gliscor can make a bit more progress with knock off and toxic while lando can provide a blanket check to physical threats with intimidate and also serve as pivoting, plus setup denial with taunt

lost sandal
#

ill try out gliscor

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2nd time using gliscor in ou

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in over 100 teams

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or should i run boots kyu

tender pecan
#

they're correct ye

lost sandal
desert bridge
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orchid nacelle
dusky kindle
desert bridge
dusky kindle
#

Well what do you use it for

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If you just want physical priority then kingambit or dragonite is good

#

If you want an ogerpon check then dragapult is good

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If you want a rain check kyurem is good

lost sandal
dusky kindle
#

I did not notice that lol

desert bridge
lost sandal
desert bridge
desert bridge
lost sandal
desert bridge
#

Oh

lost sandal
#

uh

lost sandal
dusky kindle
#

Why

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It's way better than armarouge

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There's better setup options but it's basically a direct upgrade to that slot without being a major change

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But don't put volt switch on it

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Put stored power

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Or psyshock

desert bridge
#

Does quark drive stack for stored power?

dusky kindle
#

No but you use quark for speed

lost sandal
topaz narwhal
#

because it is a speed boosting sweeper that loses to kingambit

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whats there not to get

orchid nacelle
#

Makes senE

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Sense

topaz narwhal
#

glad you could understand, L but dumb

dusky kindle
lost sandal
lost sandal
orchid nacelle
#

For the best element

#

ELEMENT OF SUPRISE

dusky kindle
#

I would ask that you don't recommend people to add pokemon that are unviable lol

#

That guy sucks

orchid nacelle
#

That was a joke ;-;

tender pecan
#

he's called iron leaves because bro left the tier and never returned

orchid nacelle
#

;-;

dusky kindle
#

I used him day one he just could not get a single clean kill

lost sandal
#

stats look decent

orchid nacelle
#

Only time I used him was like in some weird electric surge team ;-;

dusky kindle
#

His moves are really weak

lost sandal
#

pretty good coverage too

orchid nacelle
#

I think he's in top 10 wrost legendaries

lost sandal
#

stat spread seems good

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good ability

dusky kindle
#

Only good coverage move is cc

lost sandal
#

time to try out tbh

dusky kindle
#

Or wild charge but 90 power with recoil is so bad

#

Unstab also

lost sandal
orchid nacelle
#

I think u will need to sacrifice some attack ivs to get speed boost

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Quark drive

dusky kindle
#

I mean by all means try it out I'm just saying in my experience its too weak

lost sandal
dusky kindle
#

And sucks

lost sandal
#

bad typing too

orchid nacelle
#

What's the concept with it?

lost sandal
#

i think val might just be the only future variant with a buff from its normal state

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and crown ofc

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and hands

orchid nacelle
#

Tank a hit to setup maybe a swords dance or something? Then use that quark drive speed and buff to sweep as much as possible?

lost sandal
#

@dusky kindle also, could you help out with my team please

orchid nacelle
#

U do get the element of suprise with it

lost sandal
#

the element of getting swept by a corviknight uturn?

dusky kindle
orchid nacelle
#

;-;

lost sandal
#

trying to make more balance teams

orchid nacelle
#

@dusky kindle wouldn't Zama body press set tank a super effective hit from that thing?

lost sandal
dusky kindle
#

Have you tested it yet @lost sandal

orchid nacelle
lost sandal
#

it tanks an acrobatics from boosted rm

orchid nacelle
#

Yea and he will crunch

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Hoopa unbound same problem

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Low defense + U TURN weak

lost sandal
dusky kindle
#

You should always play a bit with the team first before asking for help

#

You will find out the obvious issues yourself

orchid nacelle
#

Is making baxcalibur OU a good idea?

dusky kindle
#

This is not the channel to discuss that

lost sandal
dusky kindle
#

But no

lost sandal
orchid nacelle
lost sandal
lost sandal
dusky kindle
lost sandal
#

i thought that choice locked stuff was best in balance

dusky kindle
#

No

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Balance you need sturdy walls and hard hitters

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You can have a cleaner but you'll need a way to break walls

lost sandal
lost sandal
#

that is missing in this team

lost sandal
tender pecan
#

kyurem

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darkrai

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gouging fire

dusky kindle
#

Ou has a lot of good breakers, really it's down to what walls will give your core the most trouble

tender pecan
#

^

dusky kindle
#

On balance you'll want something that can come in a few times

tender pecan
#

yeah that

lost sandal
#

hmmm

tender pecan
#

so usually boots, and booster energy mons are avoided

lost sandal
tender pecan
#

yes

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still can break, especially the defensive set

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as it can stack a lot of boosts and is not easy to remove

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granted unaware mons n what not but it can annoy dondozo with breaking swipe

lost sandal
#

doesnt fit well with my ground weakness tho

tender pecan
#

where's your team again

dusky kindle
tender pecan
#

ah thanks

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hmmm yeah there is a ground weakness here

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ogerpon is a pretty decent breaker with how powerful its unboosted stabs are

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but the one issue of ogerpon is hazards

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but it can punch holes in slower teams

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especially if they lack a water resist

lost sandal
#

true

tender pecan
#

you can slot its U turn set to keep momentum in a bad MU

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but again, hazards are not fun

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keeping them off will be imperative

lost sandal
#

hmmm

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might have to swap someone maybe

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gambit maybe

dusky kindle
#

Don't swap too much, I'd say keep everyone and just swap enamorus for a breaker

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Then try it out a bit and see how it goes

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Once you identify specific weaknesses we can help more

lost sandal
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okay

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thank you

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so try out waterpon for enam rn right

dusky kindle
#

Sure

lost sandal
#

darkrai with scarf could work maybe

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i dont think its a breaker tho

tender pecan
#

sure

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my internet is very slow

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try waterpon, scarfrai is more of a cleaner than a breaker, expert belt sets tend to be pretty good breakers

lost sandal
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okay ty

lost sandal
tender pecan
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waterpon? no

lost sandal
tender pecan
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yeah

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breakers kinda wanna press buttons asap

lost sandal
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true

dapper imp
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thoughts on my bulky hazard stack balance team?

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spiral fable
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if you find yourself struggling with waterpon, slot on brave bird over body press and whirlwind over iron defense on skarm

tender pecan
dapper imp
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alright thank u

spiral fable
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...boots gambit and treads?

tender pecan
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so just wanted some extra input

dapper imp
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i intended to use zam as a win con and i usually prefer leftovers cuz i want zam to have some recovery but nice

tender pecan
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if I go bootspam I was thinking of swapping gliscor in for lando

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to then have a knock absorber and work from there

spiral fable
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at that point might as well just run cinderace + fast lando instead

tender pecan
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tried with cinderace earlier

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offensive or wisp set btw

spiral fable
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wisp

tender pecan
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gotcha, oh and for lando what would I drop rocks for

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if at all

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or is changing the EV spread fine

spiral fable
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just make it fast

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might want ep instead of eq

tender pecan
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I'll try both, I prefer eq for the bigger damage potential

lost sandal
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as in matcha gotcha

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😎

tender pecan
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oh huh I did not know wisp cinderace doesn't run libero

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the more yk

dapper imp
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Can I use Ogerpon instead of meow if I want to