[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[molten talon]

These are my mons I just need to make a team out of them

/use as many as possible

out of them

[spiral fable]

ok first of all, this isn't an actual team this is just a list of pokemon, which we do not help with here

Second of all, some of these pokemon are not available in Scarlet and Violet

Third of all, some of the remaining pokemone are not allowed in OU because they are banned to Ubers

And lastly a large chunk of those remaining are unviable

[molten talon]

Im playing on pixelmon btw

it says SV

gen 9

[spiral fable]

!pixelmon

[viral sable]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[molten talon]

Ok so where can I find samples that I am allowed to use so I can at least copy them for a team

[spiral fable]

we don't help with pixelmon

[molten talon]

I can still copy a team

and itll translate

to pixelmon

I just need a general OU SV sample team

[spiral fable]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[molten talon]

Thanks man so these are all the available samples?

[spiral fable]

yes

[lime fractal]

are tornadus/water shifu good teammate for miradion?

[spiral fable]

wrong channel, this is OU

[delicate shale]

#comp-general-2

[thin gorge]

hi can someone rate my hyper offense, i'm stuck at 1400's and i want to know if there are any improvements i can make https://pokepast.es/b292cfbfc67a36f8

[viral sable]

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[tender pecan]

structure is good, but I really do not like that set on dnite

you don't really need scale shot when you have your speed control from espeed anyway, thats like its whole thing, plus reducing your bulk for the sake of boosting your speed isn't worth it tbh. plus no boots means potentially no multiscale

some dragons can run loaded dice sets, like kyurem, but dnite has espeed it should probably use it

it is also a bit of a tera hog, as it often doesn't run stab and is forced to tera to get stab.

encore is fine, and fire punch is fine too

just swap scale shot for espeed and throw the boots on to preserve multiscale

everything else looks fine, maybe there's something I'm missing

the rest is just nitpicks, like I personally don't like serp but its usable so

[spiral fable]

Psyshock on ghold over recover

Drop Dnite it’s just mid on webs and you have much better options (want an encore user? Waterpon), replace it with Rmoon

Frankly I would swap cornerstone out for Waterpon as well but cornerstone is alright here

[tender pecan]

it does give some alt speed control but ig gambit is there

[spiral fable]

It’s webs

[tender pecan]

yeah but in case webs get removed

[spiral fable]

Eh even then Dnite just doesn’t have the power, imo

If you want priority run bolt

[tender pecan]

fair

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/24b84beed06d05cc hi ı built this team with the intention of wearing down kyurems checks and sweeping with kyurem late game however since this team has a stallish nature and doesn't have an unaware wall opposing teams that stack multiple setup sweepers is pretty problematic specifically alo feels like a massive momentum sink and honestly doesn't really pull its weight generally skar/gking/ting-lu does all the defensive work on the other hand since most of the offensive power comes from kyurem once kyurem goes down ı autolose against stall teams so ı was thinking about changing skarmory with gliscor and alo with val any advice

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[tender pecan]

hmmm yeah Kyurem is definitely pulling too much weight here

I think swapping alo is a good shout, you need something that can apply immediate pressure

not sure what tho

I kinda want a pivot, so not val

wellspring could be ok, its a good wallbreaker

[gentle venture]

yeah ı thought about it too my concern was moon and opposing kyurem tbh since ı am thinking about switching skar with gliscor taunt moon and freeze-dry kyurem could be major problems

[tender pecan]

yeah skarm isn't a good check

non taunt rmoon should be ok but you don't wanna count on that

its hard to defensively check kyurem tbh

[native lark]

!gen7ousamples

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[native lark]

!gen7ousample

!gen7ousamples

[molten dirge]

https://pokepast.es/6fdda67bf6d1d493

Pls feedback on moves/items specially

also forgot to ev gliscor and rm

[tender pecan]

this is just

not

why does roaring moon have black glasses without dark stab

and why is it running dragon tail

that just kills your momentum

calm mind alo with no special attacks, and also alo has no damage output to speak of

glisc is, yeah why crabhammer?

its not even a great move, but thats also your only attack

Oh yeah why run lefties on poison heal gliscor

body slam on zamazenta is, not good

para chance is the only selling point otherwise forced to tera to get stab on it especially considering you have no stab on zama

no close combat, no bpress

this just isn't good quite frankly I'm sorry

half these mons aren't even running stab, some are running useless setup and some have niche or useless items

just use a sample, this would need a complete overhaul to be even decent

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/dc55ceee22465e59 havent built ou in a long time

gliscor was skarm

[jade swallow]

https://pokepast.es/b00605e247f06389

should i change anything here?

[ocean pumice]

this thread is for svou , the correct thread is old gens ou

[jade swallow]

sorry

my bad

i thought this was sm, sorry

[south raptor]

https://pokepast.es/d19606a613924612

[viral sable]

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[south raptor]

do i switch volt switch for weather ball on zapdos

actually nvm

cause zapdos isnt supposed to be offensive but if there is anything else i should change lmk please

[spiral fable]

you don't have anything to deal with ogerpon + zapdos doesn't really bring much to the table (you have a much better electric mon in bolt)

you also don't need defensive zapdos anyways

i would drop zapdos for a waterpon counter ie dnite (you can make it either special or physical, either works)

You can also use a mon like Overqwil or Moltres with tera dragon

[quick bluff]

could also prob make zapdos boots and tera grass/dragon and it would be more of a pon check

[spiral fable]

eh even then moltres offers more if you want a forced tera mon

[quick bluff]

this is true

[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/b8ecfac8a7d585f4
Any chance?

[dusky kindle]

Since you have a lot of gliscor and dnite answers you can drop ice beam for trick on darkrai

Will help vs more defensive teams

But otherwise you basically have 5 of the best mons in the meta plus a primarina so not much else to say

[gaunt fox]

K ty

[south raptor]

i liked the para hax with zapdos

[spiral fable]

not consistent and certainly not worth losing to waterpon

[south raptor]

what dragonite sets would you recomend

all of them are physical on smogon

but he has no good physical flying moves

[spiral fable]

you can run physical ddance, you can run mixed with espeed hurricane roost and then coverage of your choice, you can rnu full special pump hurricane etc

its main job is just to beat waterpon

[kind trail]

Having some trouble with sticky webs team due to lack of hazard removal -- any suggestions for this team? Thank you!

https://pokepast.es/df3035301bd5c371

Was thinking maybe defog scizor to replace ogerpon but I get a lot of sweeps with tera grass spam with grass terrain

[spiral fable]

so theres a few issues with this team, you're trying to run both sand and gterrain at the same time which doesn't work

(also cm clef is unviable and boulder only really fits on HO teams)

it would be better to dedicate fully to gterrain, and drop ttar, boulder, and clef at least

[kind trail]

thank you!

why doesn't sand / gterrain work? i basically wanted something to disrupt sun bc sun stomps otherwise

[spiral fable]

running two modes never works out, since it is very rare that you will find mons that can abuse both

most of the time you end up with half of your team unable to operate at full potential when the other half of your team is, and vice versa

sand and gterrain in particular hurt each other, as gterrain's longevity is neutered by sand's chip

[kind trail]

ah i see

does it help if i play ttar as basically a suicide lead?

(except against sun)

[spiral fable]

no, cuz then you're playing 5v6 against most teams for little benefit

[kind trail]

hmm ok

would rain work instead?

[spiral fable]

there's ways to handle sun without ttar

Heatran is always a popular pick on Gterrain, tusk is another popular mon, grassy seed hatterene, hawlucha, etc

[kind trail]

hmm thank you i will look into these options!

no go on rain for same reason as sand then?

[spiral fable]

yeah, not as prominent of negative synergy as rain but mons like skewda need the rain to operate

[kind trail]

oh wait i have iron moth

[spiral fable]

and running rain without skewda just sucks

A good core for a gterrain team usually consists of Rillaboom, Heatran, and Hawlucha

Heatran is your hazards, Rillaboom is your setter (some teams also give it band), and hawlucha is your speed control + sweeper

From there, you can explore options like Tusk for hazard control + potential sweeper with bulk up speed booster sets, Hatterene for a powerful calm mind stored power sweeper that can offer defensive presence, serperior for a strong leaf storm, gking for a defensive pivot, zamazenta for an offensive mon that provides defensive utility, gambit, wellspring, bolt, etc

There's a lot of options, just make sure to bring mons that synergize well and take care of potential weaknesses

(Ie something to beat Moon, something to beat Sun, etc)

[kind trail]

Thank you! This is very helpful. I'll look into these options! Especially like the idea of hawlucha + hatterene (being weird about focusing on mons with moves that dont miss haha)

[spiral fable]

yeah fair rng can be a nuisance

[stray plaza]

hey can i ask a question here? team related ob

[spiral fable]

uh better to ask in comp gen

[tender pecan]

Congrats on blue name btw faya

[spiral fable]

ty

[night flax]

https://pokepast.es/8882f566e419661b

[south raptor]

https://pokepast.es/e8108fe8834e444d

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

this is a pretty solid team, not much to say

might want to swap out gking for a more offensive mon if you find it isn't doing much

[spiral fable]

Conk is unviable in OU and so is Specs Ghold
What was the team structure you were going for here? Treads fits only on hyper offense, but Garg and Sinstcha only slots on balance, while Lando finds itself more on the bulkier offenses

There's just not a lot of synergy between them and it weighs your team down

[night flax]

stall team with a bit of offense

[spiral fable]

This is not a stall team I'm sorry

Neither Garganacl or Sinistcha are stall pokemon

Gholdengo hasn't been seen on stall since pre home, and Treads, Lando, and Conk similarly have never been seen on stall

[night flax]

tbh im not sure what i was going for with the team i was experimenting with a team that seemed pretty alright

and thats prob the issue

[spiral fable]

You seem to be new to the tier, so I recommend using a sample team for now

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[night flax]

alright

thanks

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/22bdf33182e1de64

[south raptor]

any suggestions cause it really isnt doing much lol

[spiral fable]

another offensive mon ie waterpon tusk etc

[sly mauve]

ty ill give it a try! i appreciate the feedback. now that you explain it i see what you mean

also whats Gking

[spiral fable]

galarian slowking

[sly mauve]

ah ok my bad

[delicate shale]

Since when did you get a blue name

[sly mauve]

he contributes

[dark galleon]

https://pokepast.es/10e69d0e88bcbbff

[delicate shale]

Overgrow Rilla lmao

[tender pecan]

They might've just forgot to change the ability

[tender pecan]

This looks fine, although I don't like iron defense on kingambit

[dark galleon]

Oh nah I thought i set it to grassy surge 😭

Mb gng

[delicate shale]

Was that supposed to be iron head

[spiral fable]

why is rillaboom here, it's really out of place and can't switch in often + doesnt offer much to your team anyways

wheres your rocker

[dark galleon]

Got any recommendations for replacement?

[spiral fable]

ting lu and swap gliscor for skarm

then you have a pretty standard balance

[dark galleon]

:0

Thx

[tender pecan]

maybe idk

[weak verge]

Hello, I'm not very experienced with the new metagame yet, but I've been trying this team out and it's been VERY fun. Thoughts on things that could be improved?

https://pokepast.es/738b751ceb619be0

Its a very fast paced team that is reliant on outpivoting with all the switch moves + eject button.

The Ttar set is an amazing primarina bait+counter which opens up the way for kyurem to wreak havoc. It also often forces switches, baiting in Tusk which is 2HKO'd by Ice beam, or using the switch to DDance and reach 351 speed (it also has amazing matchups into most of the top pokemon, excluding Zamazenta and Banded Pult)

I also experimented with U-turn on Gliscor instead of toxic but it just wasn't that great

[delicate shale]

"Its a very fast paced team that is reliant on outpivoting with all the switch moves + eject button." You just describe VoltTurn

Anyways time to look at the team

[weak verge]

Yeah I like voltturn lol

[junior harness]

Idk about the team itself but I’ll tell you to let rillaboom speed creep something like max speed gambit first.

O Spe gliscor? What’s the point? You could just run a minus spatk nature tbh

[weak verge]

Oh whoops that's a leftover from when it had U-turn

[junior harness]

Also ttar isn’t good anymore

It was the king of OU from Gen 2-8 but it isn’t good anymore

[weak verge]

It's been putting in the work in this team tbh, with so many chances to come in and dance it's been very threatening

• completely breaks open the primarina matchups

[junior harness]

Just use roaring moon

If you need a ddancer

Or maybe dragonite

That works too

[weak verge]

Hm, I was considering moon too

[junior harness]

But ttar no good nowadays

Trust

[weak verge]

But then I have no proper way of dealing with some of the most annoying kyurem walls

[junior harness]

Kyurem ain’t a wall

Gotta chip it down if you wanna beat it

[weak verge]

I meant thethings that wall my kyurem

[junior harness]

But kyurem doesn’t justify ttar

Not even ranked on the VR or at least very low.

Oh

[weak verge]

I understand it's very bad in general, I just think it has this use case here

[junior harness]

Primarina? Idk how ttar helps with it

Just acro roaring moon to nuke it

[weak verge]

It can OHKO prim with a +2 horsepower, and primarina is almost always going to stay in vs TTar

Also everything primarina can do to TTar activates WP, but nothing OHKOs it

In this team Ttar is an almost dedicated primarina killer that happens to have other benefits such as very good matchups into Ghold/Pult + very good at luring in tusk and doing 50% with ice beam

Also amazing matchup into non-SD Gliscor

[ruby crest]

This thread is for singles ou only there’s another thread for doubles

[distant girder]

Ok well it doesn't say singles

[spiral fable]

so there's not a lot of synergy between these mons

Not only does Rillaboom actively hinder Treads and Ttar, Ttar neuters half of Gterrain

Weakness Policy Ttar also just isn't viable: the mon that's going to proc your Gterrain most often (Zamazenta) is going to crumple you before you can proc WP

And forcing Tera + losing your spdef boost + now taking chip from your own sand just sucks

Meanwhile, Loaded Dice Kyurem really only works as a Ddance physical sweeper (which would also only fit on HO), which this is not

Eject Button Treads only works on Rain (and only fits on HO in general)

This team just doesn't work together, and I would recommend scrapping it, unfortunately

[weak verge]

Ok, thanks for the feedback non the less

[quick bluff]

(not true btw, pinkacross peaked ladder with a sand build recently)

ttar + drill is still fine

wpolicy ttar is def not the play but the mon itself is solid

set is just questionable

[spiral fable]

ok but he's not running a sand team though

[quick bluff]

right yeah i agree with everything you said

just objecting to pigbeef's claim

[spiral fable]

also i do agree with pigbeefs claim ttar is hard to make work imo and sand in general is very iffy

[sly coral]

https://pokepast.es/44d06571851127b9
Hi. I'd like some feedback on my team and how to improve it. I've noticed how the team struggle against hyper offense at times, so I would want some ideas or replacements on my team as well.

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[tender pecan]

Water absorb clod is rarely worth it over unaware clod, but imma be honest idk if clod belongs here, it kinda breaks your momentum

[junior harness]

Water absorb clod is actually a pretty good option on certain teams tho, and is definitely not that rare.

In terms of sets this team doesn’t look bad

[delicate shale]

Not here (imo)

[junior harness]

But yea this team doesn’t look like they will struggle with water types so yea

[delicate shale]

I'd put a lando there

You still have rocks and an electric immunity but your faster and have uturn on this fairly aggro team

Also make your molt spdef if you add lando

Bc spdef Lando is...

[tender pecan]

"certain teams" not really this one

[sly coral]

alright thanks for in feedback

would great tusk also work for hazard removal?

[tender pecan]

you have bootspam you should be fine on the hazard front

also with smart play lando can stop hazard setters with taunt

not a sure fire way but it can work

famously lando kinda shits on lead glimmora

even moreso if its special lando

[sly coral]

alright thank you

[muted dirge]

I don't really see the need for Clodsire and Prima on the same team

I think you should just drop Clodsire for excadrill/Lando and you should be fine

Excadrill can offer rapid spin, if you really want removal ig

[tender pecan]

lando not exca

exca is just kinda mid

[sly coral]

also should I change kingambit to adamant or stick with jolly

or is that more player preference

[tender pecan]

player preference both are fine

kingambit is already kinda slow

so depends if you wanna patch that speed up as much as possible or not

[surreal bloom]

If you’re low kick it should be jolly eh?

[tender pecan]

ig to beat other gambit

yeah

I prefer jolly personally but both are aight

[sly coral]

are there any particularly bad matchups that I should account for, or just mons that I have to really play perfectly against ie darkrai

[tender pecan]

with darkrai honestly its like

you pray

tbh

you might wanna tera in front of it if you're prim

unless you sack pult to twave it and slow it down

allowing waterpon to kill

[sly coral]

raging bolt could be problematic too right?

unless I have to tera my moltres

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/ca8bc34521108970

[viral sable]

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[round briar]

uh oh

[tender pecan]

Spd Lando should be ok into it

Your own kingambit also threatens it

It's not the best MU but you should be ok

Pult should be able to live a thunderclap and Draco it

[delicate shale]

Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Naive Nature
- Dragon Darts
- Hex
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn```
Darts might be better vs Bolt

[sly coral]

yeah I should take darts

I only really chose draco since it help bluff specs to people who don't know any better

also max spa helps with hex

[gilded swallow]

https://pokepast.es/8d5d5bb7cf7071c8

[muted dirge]

Late but Exca is mainly just an alternative if he wants a spinner

Not even that bad considering the team

[spiral fable]

what team style were you going for here? Treads only fits on HO, but av primarina really only shows up on bulky offense

[gilded swallow]

going for like a balance

bulky offense works too

idk i havent played gen9ou since predlc1

[muted dirge]

Think you can commit

[spiral fable]

hm

[muted dirge]

to Gterrain

[spiral fable]

i was going to suggest fixing the team but honestly if you havent played since home, i would really suggest using a sample team instead

[gilded swallow]

alr

[spiral fable]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[gilded swallow]

ty

[delicate shale]

Ik running scarf on Meows now for rai

[tender pecan]

Ig but I just don't think it's the best choice here

[nova sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/26267dcd445443f9

[viral sable]

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[dusky kindle]

I think you definitely don't need both landorus and tusk. What was your aim with them?

[nova sequoia]

lando for flying type + intimidate and risk for hazard control and just an overall good mon

[fierce basin]

You are timid with eq on lando

[nova sequoia]

that explains why it’s been getting destroyed, i use the wrong set 😑

[dusky kindle]

I just think it makes you too weak to ice and water among other things, I'd probably change one of them. Heatran has rocks and tusk is a solid physical switch in to a lot of things so Lando is probably your best bet to change

[fresh loom]

i tried building my first team from scratch, any tips, criticism or thoughts in general? (I'm a newer player so keep that in mind) https://pokepast.es/1a2e05627e831ab6

[south raptor]

https://pokepast.es/733e4a77408f3c6d

[viral sable]

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[south raptor]

i got walled by tera dragon

dondozi

curse

wave crash

rest

sleep talk

i dont want that to happen again

[spiral fable]

You can run hatt over serp/ogerpon

[south raptor]

ok thanks

grassy seed or leftovers

[spiral fable]

Up to you either works but I like grassy seed

[muted dirge]

https://pokepast.es/6bec9a2a2ef46965 Rate pls

[spiral fable]

Stall without regen is unviable + Rillaboom is dead weight and Dnite ain’t much better as you lose to Play Rough Waterpon, the mon you’re supposed to check

you also struggle hard into SD Gliscor, lose to Mixed Kyurem, and struggle against Rmoon

[muted dirge]

Can't Defensive rilla handle PR pon

also what regen mon, Glowking??

[spiral fable]

Pex/mola have always been popular picks

[muted dirge]

hmm, what does mola reliable swap into, I dont think it would help much with moon or mixed Kyurem

[spiral fable]

mula is useful in general to keep your team topped up, spread wishes, and act as a slow pivot for your team

And defensive rilla does not handle pr pon

[muted dirge]

Figured that out rq, pretty sure its just Set up fodder

my original thought was like Gterrain+leech seed

[spiral fable]

i would recommend consulting the stall bible to see whats best on stall right now

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyxTn31r5Xg5hB3-3UE7CKWXHj07utOWT7vTBdBNQI8/edit?usp=sharing

[muted dirge]

How is Garg C on the stall bible? just curious

[spiral fable]

Curious because you think it should be higher or lower?

[muted dirge]

as to why its on the list?

[spiral fable]

Has a niche on semi stall as a progress maker

Matches up alright into kyurem

[muted dirge]

Even with earth power?

[spiral fable]

Tera

[muted dirge]

hmm, I see

Tera hog tho

[spiral fable]

Yes that’s why it’s C

[muted dirge]

How does stall even beat Rmoon anyway, I dont think it ever does consistenly unless you run into non taunt moon which I dont think is likely @spiral fable

[spiral fable]

Clefable, or saccing an item, or predicting right

You should really read the stall bible

[muted dirge]

Saccing a boot is kinda tough tho

[muted dirge]

Yea i'm gonna reviewing the stall bible more

[spiral fable]

Yes that’s the point it’s a sac

Anyways further questions should be in comp general

[muted dirge]

ye mf

[brave ingot]

Can I ask for suggestions for my last two team members here? OU Clod core team

Struggling to round out my team in a way I’m happy with

[spiral fable]

if you want to use clodsire it should be a stall team, but also this is not the channel to ask those kind of questions

[brave ingot]

Gotcha thanks!

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/fbbda72722b57dd1 Haven't been playing Gen 9 OU for a while

[viral sable]

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[hushed lynx]

Though, I do like using this Ceruledge HO Team

[dusky kindle]

do you usually lead with it?

[hushed lynx]

Lead what?

[dusky kindle]

ceruledge?

cause sash but all you have for removal is mortal spin

[hushed lynx]

most of the time I lead glimmora first

[dusky kindle]

ah then yeah maybe id switch ceruldge item to like colbur or something

maybe balloon?

also every single mon on your team is set up so maybe you should have something with some immediate power

for unaware users and the like

[hushed lynx]

I like to run focus sash more so that ceruledge can be more safer

[dusky kindle]

yeah but hazards will ruin that

and you dont have very good hazard control

[hushed lynx]

oh, hazards is becoming a bigger threat in this meta?

[dusky kindle]

well its definitely a threat yeah

samurott for example

[hushed lynx]

thought of gholdengo tbh

sorry if I am wrong, I already forgot if it was a hazard remover or smth 😭

[dusky kindle]

no he blocks defog

so hazards are around a lot

[hushed lynx]

ah

I might remove enamorous tbh

[dusky kindle]

yeah it is kind of the same as valiant

[hushed lynx]

so uh, who do i get?

[dusky kindle]

well the best special attacker this meta is darkrai

but gholdengo is also very good

maybe choice scarf gholdengo with trick would be good for you

helps keep your hazards up, you can use trick on defensive pokemon, and its a backup check to fast things

[hushed lynx]

alright thanks

[glacial panther]

https://pokepast.es/48d9d7b042a5027c

[pliant parcel]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/fe5148ed5ce61875

[tender pecan]

this isn't really HO

tusk isn't usually on HO due to its just alright speed, its also usually not the rocker

it can work on other offensive teams but it sometimes slows the team down a bit

[pliant parcel]

Really? Haven't played Gen 9 in a while

[tender pecan]

speaking of, HO usually needs a dedicated lead

which you don't have

and lastly, choice sweepers aren't used on HO, they're too exploitable and can give up momentum if you're not careful

ceruledge is ok but honestly there's better choices

personally I'd drop enamorus and tusk for glimmora and something else

maybe darkrai

nasty plot 3 attacks should be fine here

it doesn't even have to be glimmora btw, deo speed does good too

[tender pecan]

yeah, its good nearly everywhere but on HO not always

also maybe dnite should be axed for roaring moon

you can try out ceruledge since this is p much the only place it can do some serious damage

just be careful of priority

[pliant parcel]

What darkrai set do you reccomend?

[tender pecan]

you can use the 4 attacks one or the nasty plot one

its usually nasty plot +ice beam dark pulse and your choice of focus blast or sludge bomb

or drop nasty plot and run both blast and bomb

[pliant parcel]

Hm

Well, as an offensive (maybe not hyper) team, how is it?

[tender pecan]

I mean its ok its just that offence has various playstyles

and atm you're kinda sitting in between a few

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/cf61a960d14da16e
Gen 9 OU Fairies aren't real, they can't hurt me

[atomic bramble]

I like this team im about 1500 let me know what proble,ms could arise high ladder https://pokepast.es/11bbb83790b1ab50

[spiral fable]

you dont need two choice specs users, one does just fine (and wake is much better than bolt in that department)
you also should run spattack booster wake since you already have speed control in rmoon
if you want to continue running bolt you can run calm mind, but i would recommend dropping it for air ballon gambit as a late game cleaner that operates out of sun, or bulk up speed booster tusk with lefties to threaten opposing gambits as well as be a bulky threat
serp just doens't fit on sun it not only doesnt benefit from sun it is hurt by it, there are much better grass types for sun, you should drop it for growth venusaur with life orb (though lefties also works if you want it to be bulkier)
ghold similarly does not fit well on sun, and if youw ant a utility mon eject button hatterene would be much better, offering the team a one time pivot out of torkoal, nuzzle utility, and a healing wish late game to heal up weakened teammates

[spiral fable]

screens is an alright ho style, but most of these mons dont fit on screens
Cinderace is detrimental to your team, as its court change will remove your own screens + it doesnt have the offensive pressure to get use out of the screens anyways
Serperior is a bad screens setter, it gets outsped by threats like deo-s/pult which can taunt/ohko it, and it doesnt have the utility of atales to make up for it
Ogerpon-Cornerstone doesn't really fit on screens HO either, it doesn't benefit much + lacks a way to boost its speed which opens you up to revenge kills due to its speed tier
Hands just isn't good in OU, you lose to every encore mon + struggle hard into a lot of the physically defensive mons of the tier, its not worth it

Sash pult also doesn't fit well into screens, as it cant do a lot of damage so it often just burns screens turns, and if you send it out pre-screens then A: you give your opponent time to set up hazards/sweepers, and B: you are now playing essentially 4-6, which is highly detrimental

frankly, i would recommend scrapping the team, and using a sample team to climb higher for now

!gen9ousamples

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[atomic bramble]

nice insight im seeing the drawbacks of serp screens and iron hands in general damn near can afford to 4-6 cuz of moon lol

[spiral fable]

yeah moon is kinda the only mon carrying its weight here, but as you reach mid-upper ladder you're going to start struggling hard

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/3d6146999178448b hydrapple rain, help is appreciated

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[spiral fable]

ok, why

also what is kilowatrel doing here

[stone onyx]

used it over zap/bolt bc for more speed control+ momentum

[stone onyx]

wanted to use hydra for woger, while having the tools to break stall more

[spiral fable]

why do you need momentum/speed control

you have that in spades already on a rain team, between treads and skewda

if something is outspeeding skewda under rain you have messed up big time

[stone onyx]

barra is the only fast mon under rain, the rest are so slow (except treads ig)

[spiral fable]

you only need skewda

i dont see the point of kilowatrel, your rain abusers are lacking and hydrapple is not helping

doesnt patch up any matchup that you would otherwise struggle against, unlike bolt which can help in the sun matchup

[stone onyx]

should i replace it w bolt?

[spiral fable]

yes

also hydrapple doesnt help with the stall mu at all

[stone onyx]

why not

[spiral fable]

ok lets look at a lead to lead situation against stall
You lead pelipper, they will likely lead a knocker/mola
You switch out to Hydrapple, they either knock you or wish pass to Clodsire, which eats pump, tera steel toxics you, and now you're on a timer and they can switch around

As for Waterpon, well
+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Play Rough vs. 140 HP / 24 Def Hydrapple: 400-472 (103 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

not really sure hydrapple is really going to be doing much in that matchup

[stone onyx]

tera wasted, body press then 2hkos and regen helps it reset its timer

[spiral fable]

you click bpress once they switch out

• they're probably recovering on the bpress turn so you dont even get a lot of chip

at that point if you want a dedicated stall breaker just run luna

cuz it certainly aint doing well into ogerpon

[stone onyx]

you can then predict the switch out/ come back in later on barra flip turn on dozo/mola something

then there really isnt a good switch in for hydra

[spiral fable]

pex

actually wait no pex just eats hydrapple alive forget clod

[stone onyx]

do people still run pex even

[spiral fable]

yes

once again, at that point you might as well just run luna if you want a dedicated stall breaker

if you want a mon to deal with ogerpon, im a big fan of tera draogn moltres

but hydrapple is not doing a lot

[stone onyx]

yea i saw a team recently w molt that seemed fun

ig hydrapple has to be more bulky than anything to deal with woger

[dark creek]

https://pokepast.es/e039f96f5da9c6e3 please help rate my team. im new and getting slapped

[tender pecan]

this isn't very good imma be honest

[quick bluff]

wait is this for gen 4 or gen 9

[dark creek]

gen 4

[quick bluff]

ah

[tender pecan]

that explains it

wrong chat then

[dark creek]

ohh thats mb

[tender pecan]

cause I was about to say gengar explosion in current gen is not a thing

#1060339824537641152

[quick bluff]

check the Old Gens OU channel in teamrates

yeah

[tender pecan]

forget what I said then lmao idrk gen 4 well at all

[quick bluff]

(ty nocturne could not figure out how to link that on mobile)

[tender pecan]

yw

anyway uhhhhh https://pokepast.es/2a0d6d3cd665e464 dark spam offence? I wanted to try and slot in samurott on there somewhere but idk whether to have it as the lead or in the back as I have it now

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[dark creek]

yeah thanks for the help guys

[tender pecan]

I'm sort of stuck on whether I wanna keep treads at all and swap it out for something else to let samurott fill the lead role

np

[tender pecan]

idk if zamazenta is a problematic matchup, the tera types can cover for it and it can't take on all the dark types alone

[tender pecan]

swapped iron head for rapid spin on treads

[tender pecan]

also swapped kingambit to the black glasses set

[spiral fable]

just post the updated team at that point

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/1dd5062440b9b245

[spiral fable]

im going to be honest this is just a worse version of dark spam ho

this is essentially ho except for some reason hamurott and deo-s is here

[tender pecan]

yeahhh it was kinda struggling on ladder

although I'm not too sure what do do with hamurott tbh, idk if it belongs on spike stack teams so I tried building offensive with it in the back

[spiral fable]

well this is just a weird split between bo and ho rn

[tender pecan]

hmmm ok, say I wanted to switch to lead samurott what should I swap treads with

[spiral fable]

if you want to pivot to full ho. frankly you should just run dark spam ho

[tender pecan]

so just the sample set?

[spiral fable]

the sample team? yes

[tender pecan]

alright, and say I wanted BO

[spiral fable]

uh, you're going to have a change a lot and at that point its not worth it

but generally youd want some more defensive pivots youd want to drop treads swap out a few dark types for more varied coverage etc

[tender pecan]

ah alright, I assume I'd need to switch to lead samurott

[spiral fable]

for BO? not really

playing 5-6 on bo sucks

[tender pecan]

alright then thanks

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/cefc6ec2e74584dd
Water and ice aren't real in gen9ou

[spiral fable]

specs wake isnt good outside of sun and band treads isnt good period

[iron escarp]

heyy i just made my pokemon team from when i played gen 5 and was wondering if im cooking or if its just an embarrasement

It's garchomp, empoleon, bisharp, mienshao, muk and skarmory

[spiral fable]

this is gen 9 sv ou

[iron escarp]

yeah yeah

i know

[spiral fable]

ok well in that case this team is completely unviable yes

[iron escarp]

im just asking if mons from gen 5 have a chance

[iron escarp]

😦

[spiral fable]

i mean certain pokemon from gen 5 are viable sure, and some of your mons are viable (ish), but definitely not together, and definiltey not on that team

[quick bluff]

chomp, empoleon, muk, and skarm are all somewhat viable, if you want to build around one of them you could always ask #comp-general

otherwise they don’t really work together in this tier

[spiral fable]

empoleon is not viable

[iron escarp]

yeeeah fair, I just came back to pokemon from a lapse of 5 years so im not versed in the manners of being op

[quick bluff]

i am an empoleon believer but that is probably not a discussion for this channel

[spiral fable]

its unrated, its objectively unviable

[iron escarp]

hmm okay, but what would an urgent or at least quick change be?

[spiral fable]

replacing your entire team, frankly

[iron escarp]

D:

[spiral fable]

like i said, these mons do not work together, and half of them are completely unviable

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/4138c9b9915832b0
this better?

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[spiral fable]

not really, honestly

[iron escarp]

okaay, thanks

[quick bluff]

tbf vr is a little outdated and some solid mons are not on it, was not claiming empoleon is good i think it just has the smallest of niches solely due to typing and respectable bulk/movepool

[quick bluff]

but yeah this, @iron escarp you’d be better off with a sample

[spiral fable]

the vr was just updated

[quick bluff]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

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[quick bluff]

oh mb did not see that will check it out

[spiral fable]

(by just updated i mean 20 days ago)

[quick bluff]

(ah)

[spiral fable]

so if you saw that slate nothing has changed, but to claim its outdated is wack

especially since empoleon has seen no usage since

and the meta has chnaged to be even less favorable towards it

[quick bluff]

outdated wasn’t the right term but i think lots of vr placements are slightly off and a few usable mons are not listed (gapdos my beloved)

[quick bluff]

but yeah this is fair

[echo tartan]

I will give up on trying to improve this thing https://pokepast.es/84d4c61b9603f4a3

[spiral fable]

i dont know why you keep putting sun abusers on non sun teams but its not good

[echo tartan]

I ran out of ideas on the 2 last mons

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/fba74d9d1b14e67e

[ruby crest]

This is closer to BO then HO, I advise doing bulky sd gambit > darkrai, and wisp cinderace > ogerpon-w, also make this cm iron Val instead of sd

[elfin jungle]

I just want general advice on whether a choice user is fine on ho

Like scarf drill/hoopa on gen 6 birdspam for example

[spiral fable]

#comp-general

[atomic bramble]

my first stall idk what im doing https://pokepast.es/637a527d5f59878c

[dusky kindle]

stall is really hard to build this gen since there are so many overwhelming threats that can stack against you. If you really want to use a crazy 6 like this first thing is to be purposeful about your evs. Idk why pecharunt has speed for example. Pecharunt shadow ball also is kinda useless, salamence really isnt the best defensive dragon tailer (that would be hydrapple or dragonite), garganacl isnt a good stall pokemon really (needs removal, not as sturdy as other walls). If you want detailed stall analysis try the Stall Empire discord https://discord.gg/M2pRAr9H

[nova sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/ca97b38289c1a267

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[weary crypt]

Seems OK but idk why pult is sash and no priority could bite you

[nova sequoia]

so what should i change then?

[weary crypt]

Change pult to just the standard max HP max speed with lefties or boots or whatever and make heatran have spdef EVs instead of sptack (and I would run lefties on tran personally but balloon isn't bad its must a preference)

[nova sequoia]

alrighty ty!

[elfin jungle]

Isn't sash Pult standard

[ruby crest]

It is tho you mainly see it in more offensive teams

[atomic bramble]

https://pokepast.es/3bc48d93c7d3c36c @dusky kindle i like this version, speed tiers for pecharunt are made to live knock + Headlong, also mence is the headlong rush switchin with intimidate. not sure if I should invest more sp atk evs in pecha or just go toxic instead of malignant4 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush (120 BP) vs. 152 HP / 108 Def Pecharunt: 204-240 (57.4 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO, 4 Atk Great Tusk Knock Off (97 BP) vs. 152 HP / 108 Def Pecharunt: 110-130 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 60.5% chance to 3HKO

[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/95a676413e32fc09

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[spiral fable]

im really not a fan of lokix here

if you want a knocker that can pivot meow is still there

(or ogerpon teal mask)

[bleak burrow]

if i dont use sucker on meow, then i dont have any prio on this team

and sucker meow is whacky

[dusky kindle]

when youre building stall you arent trying to just switch in a couple times. Basically the appraoch you have of living the hit once and answering back isnt how stall plays, so if you want it to be stall you have to go with sopmething bulkier

[spiral fable]

you dont need priority

also hi spidget

[bleak burrow]

yea

[spiral fable]

you really dont want a knocker thats walled by gliscor

[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/e446c7f1b9db4531

i made this too

i think ists better

but i wanted to make a team w lokix

[spiral fable]

ok well this is a completely different team

[spiral fable]

eh not really

your other team is really solid it literally just needs to drop lokix

[fierce basin]

Hi. Had my.phone unlocked in my pocket after looking at rates sorry. U got them though

[spiral fable]

this team has lando for some reason when it really doesnt fit here + zamazenta is awkward here

lol

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/5f04a5b9e65db5f5
Idk how to deal with DD Kyurem

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[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/eaec53699c149482 ı tried to built around CB ogerpon with tera it can outspeed scarf enarmous and adamant +1 roaring moon in dire situations and choice band tera ivy cudgel can ohko even resists after stealth rocks or some chip damage

[tender pecan]

do pokepaste link

!pokepaste

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[tender pecan]

also if this is for gen 9 ou this frankly is completely unviable

none of these mons are ranked OU or even UU for that matter

[spiral fable]

what team style is this?

it seems like a weird split between bo and balance

[gentle venture]

ı aimed for balance tbh

[spiral fable]

hm

in that case lando shouldnt be here

idk whats up with ogerpon's evs but just make it 252 252

you need more offensive presence than just ogerpon + more pivots and weavile is also kinda awkward here

idk why clefable is healing wish but it shouldnt be

this team gets rolled 6-0 by ogerpon-wellspring

[gentle venture]

what should ı change weavile and lando with then

[spiral fable]

honestly there's no clean answer

i was thinking originally gambit + gking

but that doesnt fix your wellspring problem

make clef rocks btw

[gentle venture]

ı wanted priorit with weavile and raging bolt could threaten oger with thunderclap

is it okay

[spiral fable]

no

bolt gets farmed by encore

and gambit is priority anyways

i would try dropping crown for hex pult

[gentle venture]

anyways ı changed crown with hex pult glowking is my spdef pilot and corviknight is my pdef pilot and ı changed weavile with gambit it seems okay for now

thx for the advice btw

[trim iris]

https://pokepast.es/f021832fd9a3e7fd

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[trim iris]

This is my first team I’d like to know what I did right and wrong, what I could do better and what would make this stronger

[floral zenith]

This is my team, kinda new to battling lol
https://pokepast.es/539158d46dd48bb9

[spiral fable]

ok so imma be honest this team is just lost

a lot of these sets are unviable, like screens clef and vest lando

furthermore, theres no real team structure here: i can't tell if this is some bulky offense or balance team, and it doesn't really accomplish either

you have no physical defensive mons and your spdef mons are weak and easily beaten

most of the ivs dont work and the tera types dont relaly either

This team doesn't have a good matchup into common threats like Ogerpon-Wellspring or Kyurem

Unfortunately this isn't really salvagable, and I would recommend using a sample team for now

If you want to find out a good list of the "viable" sets of the tiers, you can visit each mon's strategy dex page

(ie this is gambit's: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/kingambit/)

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

Unfortunately half of this team is unviable/highly niche in OU

(Luxray, Hisui Goodra, and polteageist)

Luxray is entirely unviable, while Polteageist is only seen on Psychic Terrain teams (which struggle in the current metagame) and Hisuian Goodra is seen on niche rain teams

As for the rest of the mons, Swords Dance Iron Valiant is really only seen on Hyper Offensive teams, while Meowscarada is seen on balance teams, and Clodsire on stall

None of these mons fit well with each other and you just end up with a team lacking any synergy

(if you don't know what these structures are, you can check out this message #comp-general message)

I would also recomend you use a sample team for now to learn what mons are viable in the tier and the structures they often find themsleves on

(The strategy dex also has analyses for most mons on what structures and partners they work with best, if you want to go through that route instead)

[bold elbow]

i was wondering if someone can help me improve this team https://pokepast.es/811df747234c5532

[ruby crest]

this is a really solid start would like to make this bulky np dengo over scarf, this gives u better mu vs zama iron val and better to deal with annoying goobers like gking, clef, and metal birds that can give the rest of the team issues, wanted to make this taunt > eq on roaring moon which helps improve the team mu vs fat, decided to change enam for cm iron val which gives much needed speed control to help vs opposing booster energy users and a potent win con, lastly went with roar zama > ogerpon-c give u answers to gambit and other strong physical attacker while itself is a nuissance and forcing switches with roar

https://pokepast.es/0838fdeb4aaa280a

[floral grotto]

https://pokepast.es/1e4f30e1fd0f2482
Hey gang, looking for some input on this GTerrain team. Thanks!

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[spiral fable]

so why vest prima instead of like gking/iron crown as a spdef pivot

[floral grotto]

I was this something that packed a bit more of a punch. But, that's not really the purpose of the pivot

[spiral fable]

i think crown would be your best bet to have a steel type that can take on pesky ice types, but primarina is also fine

[grave ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/405ee6b45b5fc04d

Idk if this is good or not

[nimble summit]

https://pokepast.es/5dc329b9d8daea88 team is nice and stally but needs proper hazard removal if im going to set up hazards myself. any tips for this?

[gentle venture]

glimmora can both set the spikes and remove them with mortal spin earth power lando and iron crown is problematic tho

[bold elbow]

tysm i have been showing people the team but no one actually gave feedback like yours

btw why roar on zama?

[nimble summit]

the team is like semi-stall, if i do use glimm how do i protect against defog/spin without a ghost type or defiant/competitive mon

glimm seems more HO as a setter

[bold elbow]

wouldnt it be better to run a ceoverege move?

[bold elbow]

also just wanted to ask if this team is better https://pokepast.es/c5bab6856f9a7aa4

[gentle venture]

yep but it can force out set up sweepers in pinch and other IP users can chip or outright beat you

[bold elbow]

IP?

[gentle venture]

ıron defence body press

[bold elbow]

oh ok but doesnt iro valiant deal with it?

but whatever ill try the team

[spiral fable]

im ngl this is not semi stall

this has two stall mons, neither of which have stall movesets and both of which operate outside of stall as well

[grave ginkgo]

(bump)

[spiral fable]

yes i can see your team pouzza

[nimble summit]

mate you are probably right but when i play it, it feels like stall

besides the point though

[spiral fable]

that's just balance lol

[nimble summit]

true ig

i never make my own teams

which is why your help is appreciated

main issue imo is that you have sr gliscor + t-spike cat with court change

so you can set it up for yourself but cant stop them

[spiral fable]

so beyond that, your gliscor evs are really wack and dont work + sub gliscor is iffy at best, tspikes meowscarada is unviable, cinderace doesnt really fit on this team, you have poor offensive pressure

you also get 6-0ed by ogerpon

[nimble summit]

ik its a tough matchup

what do you recommend

ill be honest mate

[spiral fable]

im ngl this has a lot of holes

[nimble summit]

this team is an edited version of a pokeaim team

[spiral fable]

oo

wait just go back to that

[nimble summit]

which used to have zangoose and conk instead of prim and glowking

[spiral fable]

(also we don't rate teams built by other people)

[nimble summit]

thats the point

thats what it was

but i thought removing them and making it more balanced

by actually having a spattacker would be better

[spiral fable]

ok but if you take a pokeaim taem and swap out mons its still a pokeaim team that you modified

[nimble summit]

true

but if you are saying that it has a lot of holes

im plenty happy to either restart or make a lot of changes

so i can learn how to properly build a team

if you ahve the time to do so

[spiral fable]

im going to be honest this is a "scrap and restart angle"

[nimble summit]

amazing

ready to learn amte

[spiral fable]

uh i dont really have the time (nor is this the place) to teach you how to team build from scratch

what i can say is if you're going for balance make sure to have dual hazards + a knock off user and then fill in whatever holes you have afterwards

(this is extremely simplified)

[nimble summit]

fair

does something like gliscor + garganacl + weavile work?

spikes + knock on gliscor, rocks on garg with knock on weavile?

[spiral fable]

funnily enough i was going to send you a team with two of the three

[nimble summit]

amazing

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/a401d8ce33b86d65

[nimble summit]

so at least i kinda get it

team looks quirky af

[spiral fable]

ok you have 0 pivots and a weird mix of balance, stall, and hyper/bulky offense mons on this team

[grave ginkgo]

Teehee

[spiral fable]

...ok then

[surreal bloom]

Type shi

[spiral fable]

clodsire doesn't fit on this team as its way too passive, same with garg (though its less passive ,still not enough to be on a bulky offense team), tusk is really iffy

[grave ginkgo]

Should i add a pivot or is there any way i can improve the team?

[nimble summit]

mate team looks solid

doesnt it die to water + ice moves

only water resist is ogerpon

only ice resist is gholdengo

[spiral fable]

ghold is for ice and water is usually just "keep up offensive pressure lol" but you have tera garg and ting lu in emergencies

[nimble summit]

fair

[spiral fable]

actually nvm

hm

ok drop tusk drop clodsire drop garg slot on slowking-galar with boots slot on fast lando-t with taunt slot on hex dragapult

if you really want you can keep tusk and drop knock for rocks but i would suggest against it

[sly coral]

https://pokepast.es/7cb63dec40e952ef
Hi, improved my team from last time, but i noticed how the MU against zapdos is pretty poor as well as garg, any recommendations on the team?

[bold elbow]

https://pokepast.es/20fb7019dd643569 i tested this team and didnt find it successful maybe because its high skill but i had some issues against rillaboom and especially dondozo (and other phys attackers) and i just bring iron valiant on for more than 2 turns and removing the scarf from gholdengo wasnt too good either i just wanted to ask if maybe you could suggest different changes

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Not necessarily most of the targets that heavy slam / stone edge hit are covered by other teammates and roar is good as you force switch out other set up mons like opposing zama and booster energy mons making them lose their one time boost

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/31acd3e71a1cefc3 dark spam webs

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[nimble summit]

https://pokepast.es/3754a3713c1fae67 would love some help on this team, feels like it tries to do too many things and not good enough at any of them

probably gets shit on by other weather teams

sorry idk about the swearing rules in here, hope its not ban worthy

[ocean pumice]

wow webs main finally a team i can rate, ok please note that i havent played SVOU in a while now so take my advice with a grain of salt.

1. ribom should be tera steel to counter mortal spin glimm, moonblast already threatens the #1 spinner tuskothy. run skill swap > psychic noise for hatt, you also get to disrupt a handful of other ou mons with it
2. probably run kingambit > greninja. most webs teams needs one of either gambit or rbolt, and greninja is just not that great
3. don't run recover dgleam on dengo, you must run np sball mir. psyshock/fblast are preferred over recover. keep tera fairy if ur psyshock, change to fighting if ur fblast

booster moon on webs is adamant iirc

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[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/276baf273aa5033e https://pokepast.es/e76621a38a8ca1ba https://pokepast.es/930bd5d261fdd0b8 i couldnt decide which one is better tbh

the last one is the latest iteration but tbh i am not sure ongouging fire

i switched gouging fire with dd drag

[spiral fable]

pelipper wants damp rock + uturn over ice beam and defense evs instead of spattack
skewda is fine but you want max attack max speed invests, not HP
Scarf Zapdos is bad on rain (scarf zapdos in bad in general but especially on this rain team when you already have two speed control options in skewda and overqwil), you should drop it for Calm Mind raging bolt with booster energy and weather ball(you can use its smogon set, which you can find here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/raging-bolt/)
Landorus is similarly bad on rain, and the much better ground type is iron treads which offers the team a raging bolt check + rocker + spinner, you want to use its lead set with eject button and volt switch stealth rock eq rapid spin (use this and tweak the appropriate moves https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/iron-treads/)
Deoxys-Defense doesn't fit on rain, and is a poor screens setter in general, drop it for kingambit (use its bulky set https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/kingambit/)

[bold elbow]

https://pokepast.es/b5bbd8ba99b9c37d can someone help me improve this team?

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[bold elbow]

iron boulder offense and i have a problem with water types

[spiral fable]

if you want to run ho you need to dedicate to it, so drop tusk drop pult

tusk doesnt have the offensve pressure and pult is choice locked which sucks

Swap energy ball on deo-s to psycho boost, swap on ddance roaring moon, last spots kinda a freebie but np darkrai is cool for exerting pressure on the waters

[bold elbow]

thx

so full on darkspam?

also is this the right darkrai set?

Darkrai @ Focus Sash
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Dark Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Sludge Bomb

[spiral fable]

yes

[bold elbow]

one last thing can you tell me how that will stop my water weakness?

[spiral fable]

darkrai destroys most waters except for primarina which gets overwhlmed and cant switch into sludge

[bold elbow]

thanks

[storm adder]

I wanted to play OU after a while of playing NU & ZU so i made an ho team bc yes https://pokepast.es/3985093d2b1ed64f

Ik theres quite a few priority moves here n there despite webs
Just as a failsafe if webs is spinned/fogged away

[spiral fable]

pretty solid for the most part, just want to make ghold psyshock over recover, and i would drop either dnite or tusk for waterpon to stallbreak easier + have a better webs abuser but that's up to you

[brave turtle]

Been trying to create a more off-meta bulky offense centered around vaporeon being the hard special tank and passing wishes to the other phys mons (alomamola is more balanced on both ends but since I have 2 high def mons alr I wanted to lean into the special bulk), but I'm getting rolled by HO and hazard stack so bad I've starting using ditto lol
Any tips appreciated!
https://pokepast.es/0662a0a18af62766

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[spiral fable]

ok so i see you're using three unviable mons

dont

unfortunately, vaporeon has never been viable in OU, neither has staraptor, and ditto hasn't been viable since the early meta

[brave turtle]

fairs, the idea around staraptor was that scarf ohkos most fast threats like pult kyreum and waterpon but ive been looking to replace it with valiant

[spiral fable]

latios is also awkward here

[brave turtle]

and ditto was like idk what else to do pick

[brave turtle]

gotcha gholdengo was my initial pick for a special breaker but i struggled a bit against eq so i figured latios was decent

[spiral fable]

frankly this team isnt really salvagable

[brave turtle]

rip lmao

[spiral fable]

3/6 mons are unviable and the 4th is a pretty niche meta pick

[brave turtle]

garg and tusk are the only decent picks yea?

[spiral fable]

yeah

[brave turtle]

gotcha back to the drawing board i suppose

thanks for takin a look tho

[spiral fable]

np

[sly coral]

Been finding success with this team, though electric types really mess me up, any tips on improvement?
https://pokepast.es/7f84877e22df0fdf

[spiral fable]

ok legit question what electric types

cuz there's like zapdos and bolt and thats it

[sly coral]

yeah zapdos and bolt

[spiral fable]

hm

moltres doesn't really fit on this bulky offense team

or ig more offensive balance team

nah you're running fast taunt lando its bo

if you're struggling with electric types gking is just as good (and fraknly better) defensive pivot over primarina

also knock ogerpon is bad dont run knock either run encore or play rough

[sly coral]

well my team is fine without knock right?

also would a heatran function on this team as well?

[spiral fable]

ehhhh

not really + i dont really see a good use for it

i would swap moltres out for probably zamazenta, good blanket check + offensive threat in its own right

beyond that, solid bulky offense team

[sly coral]

alright thank you

iron defense zama right?

[spiral fable]

yes

[sly coral]

i should get ice beam for slowking to hit flying types harder right?

[spiral fable]

eh

sludge + future sight + twave is fine

[sly coral]

oh alright

[summer wagon]

https://pokepast.es/b8288a3c1f3885ea

People keep forgetting after I trick room with my hatterene

And I don't know why, it's not even setting me up for sweeps because my mons just don't sweep

[spiral fable]

if you want to trick room, go full trick room

this is a weird sun room set that doesnt use either

[summer wagon]

I was trying to build around goodra

Torkoal is just my rock setter and spinner

And he covers grass types

[spiral fable]

this taem doesnt work

[summer wagon]

That's the only thought that went into that dumb turtle

[spiral fable]

theres no synergy between any of these mons

[summer wagon]

😭

[spiral fable]

torkoal only works on full set, troom hatterene only works on full troom, meowscarada only fits on hstack balance

[summer wagon]

Then how would I build around my goodra

I added primarina to help fight the meta mons that would counter my goodra

I added darkrai because ice beam and dark pulse do me wonders

[spiral fable]

im going to be honest building around goodra is really hard

[summer wagon]

Why is it always the mons I like that are problematic

[spiral fable]

if you want to run it i guess you can do a really niche grassy terrain team, but hoodra is just not a good mon

[summer wagon]

What would a full trick room team look like?

A lot of the meta is a bunch of fast mons so I think it would counter pretty alright

[spiral fable]

full trick room in itself is gimmicky at best but you would use something like hatterene + secondary setter + 4 slow braekers ie ursaluna gambit etc

[summer wagon]

The secondary setter also having trick room?

[spiral fable]

yes

[summer wagon]

And is there a direct counter to trick room that just defeats my team

Like an ability or move that removes it

I can probably google it

Taunt and stall

So that's why I need slow breakers

And 2 setters

[summer wagon]

https://pokepast.es/40b4d531e78b9d5a

Does this core make sense or is my Hoopa U just weird lookin

[spiral fable]

we don't help with cores

[summer wagon]

Oh

Okay then, does my hoopa u need improvement?

Or is there just a different channel for that

[spiral fable]

#comp-general

[summer wagon]

Oh alrighty

Thank you clodsy

[summer wagon]

Does this team have better synergies or am I just a little off

Or completely gone

[summer wagon]

https://pokepast.es/9b75ffed7b825183

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[summer wagon]

(Updated, I forgot the old one was still up and hoopa had AV 🤦‍♂️)

[elfin jungle]

I'm not a rater

But trick room is supposed to have tanky setters and powerful slow hitters

Hatterene uses Sash troom misty explosion or bulky usually as a lead setter

Always set every speed Iv to 0 in troom btw

Hoopa is a troom attacker, not setter (quad weak to uturn and not good phys bulk)

You usually see stuff like the slowline, p2, and Cress as troom setter because of how unbelievably fat they are as well as the ability to safely bring in a sweeper (teleport and lunar dance respectively)

Final thing is that selection of sweepers is bad

Some troom teams can use 1 non troom sweeper so that they can actually attack without troom up, but even that is rare now since it's so easy to set up troom

But why do you have speed evs and ivs on your troops sweepers?

Not to mention the choice of pokemon besides Ursa and hat don't work well usually on troom

Also literally every set is wrong

Troom relies on getting as much damage with the few turns troom is active for, so you it's incredibly rare not to see a choice item on a troom sweeper (exceptions in SD Ursa and gambit, the latter can also run band)

In conclusion, start over

[spiral fable]

Sash healing wish but right idea

Banded gambit is not good on troom

(It’s not good in general)

Hoopa should NOT be a setter yes and that moveset in general is really bad (also lefties? You are crumpling to like any hit)

Kyurem is a really awkward pick, it doesn’t have the best speed tier but it’s also not slow enough to operate cleanly under trick room

Heatran just doesn’t fit period

And tusk should not be here either

[brave turtle]

Tried to make another bulky offense team. Does pretty well against HO and other balance teams though at least from the runs I did with it. But having a lot of trouble with stall and setup cuz lando-t is holding it all together with taunt and toxic spam just slowly cripples.
https://pokepast.es/e347c23024930e91

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[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/b86015d316a88585
Any chance guys?

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[dusky kindle]

Lotta wacky options here
For bulky offense it doesn't look that bulky as you have basically no recovery. Maybe instead of rotom you could have Alomomola with wish?

Could help with status also as you can take a toxic and pivot out

Also how is that mixed tyranitar lol

Ttar pretty much sucks in this meta

[brave turtle]

Yea I figured there were a ton of weaknesses I made a new team after sum ladder play if u could critique this one instead
https://pokepast.es/1de15294f49f45ce

[dusky kindle]

If you want a strong rock type try ogerpon c

[brave turtle]

the new one was mixed i was testin stuff loll

[dusky kindle]

Scarf Mamo holy moly

[brave turtle]

gotcha i was thinking of running chomp but i wanted some anti weather options

[dusky kindle]

That doesn't hit anything lol

[brave turtle]

was band but i had no speed control so rip

[dusky kindle]

You have zamazenta

And excadrill in sand

That's pretty good speed control

You almost always wanna use kyurem or weavile over Mamo in this meta

[brave turtle]

oh yea weaville might be a good pick since it’s still fast on band

[dusky kindle]

Also specs keld is probably not great but it might get some surprising kos on weaker walls and you can secret sword ogerpon

And Kyurem

If you're gonna run modest just use hydro pump over surf tho

No point going halfway

[brave turtle]

yea it was supposed to be my revenge check but i figured it never outspeeds what i need it to so i slapped scarf on mamo and made it a special breaker

[dusky kindle]

Yeah 108 speed pretty bad this gen

Just so much in that 110-120 area

[brave turtle]

it’s like just one or two points below stuff like waterpon and latis

any suggestions for an alternative?

i was thinking wake but i lowkey wanted fighting coverage and vacuum wave priority is surprisingly useful

[dusky kindle]

Nah it's fine to try out

Primarina is the best special water attacker overall

So if it doesn't work try that

[brave turtle]

alr cool i’ll make sum changes and see how it goes

tyy

[dusky kindle]

Stall is pretty hard to rate but this looks good imo. Obviously by not having a special unaware you're going to be a little weaker to special guys. Do you think maybe spdf corv might be better here then? Or even spdf gliscor since you probably need some answer to gholdengo

Dragapult also a little issue though foul play helps more there

[gaunt fox]

Yes, I thought about SpD gliscor more than anything, although at the moment it's going well for me, I also thought about clodsire but I wouldn't know what to remove in that case

[dusky kindle]

What do you do against gholdengo

[gaunt fox]

Calm mind blissey

[spiral fable]

psyshock

[gaunt fox]

Tera dark

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/9170a037494b0f73

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[delicate shale]

Gen 9 Wish Killer:
https://pokepast.es/f775e63b0245ff6d

Shouldn't be that bad, right?

[tender pecan]

well

keldeo is kinda

not good

it really struggles with so much water type competition

[surreal bloom]

Goated

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/c3bf5394f716fe5d
opinions?

[lament mortar]

What can I improve on this or should I stay away from the kitchen https://pokepast.es/f795ad9f023eacaa

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[spiral fable]

im ngl this really doesnt work

lead deo s with no hazards, idk whats upw ith that manaphy set, life orb 4 attack enamorus, lando with tera blast flying, banded dnite, none of these are good

[lament mortar]

I tried to emulate an early 8 gen team in current OU meta

But

[spiral fable]

unfortunately those are two wildly different metas

[lament mortar]

Yeah

Like

Toxa lost access to Hex/Scald

And the only water type mon that has it is manaphy

Xd

[onyx halo]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder hi fellas

[spiral fable]

thats just a link to the teambuilder

[onyx halo]

SHIT

SORRY

[onyx halo]

https://pokepast.es/59fa6f263eaffcbf here

[spiral fable]

what team style are you going for?

[onyx halo]

Fat

BO ig

Actually mroe offense

[spiral fable]

uhhh

dont understand why you're double stacking spikes stackers, weavile is awkward here, you lose 6-0 to waterpon and ghold is kinda awkward here as well

[onyx halo]

oh woops

I wanna keep weavile tho

Tried to make a team around

also I used the wrong glisc set

mb

forgot abt waterpon

whats wrong with ghold

should I add like

corv

or skarm

hello

I think

I could replace ghold

But I want a way to keep spikes on field

[summer wagon]

https://pokepast.es/6736ae2c53723df3

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[summer wagon]

Revised trick room team I've found success with

[spiral fable]

bronzong and sinistcha arent troom abusers

and that gambit set is wack

same with the ursaluna set

same with all of these sets actually

[spiral fable]

why? your team is offense anyways so you dont really care about keeping spikes up long term

just keep hamurott then and reset spikes whenever they get cleared

i would pivot by dropping gliscor for lando t fast taunt, and drop ghold and weavile for zamazenta and another offensive threat

[summer wagon]

What does this mean 😭

How do I fix it

[spiral fable]

its unviable

use their smogon sets and tweak their evs when neccesary

[summer wagon]

I hate gambit but besides him idk what other slow wall breakers I could use

[onyx halo]

ok but, are there changes that can let weavile stay on? I really like weav

it can even be a whole new archetype

as long as the weavile is there

[spiral fable]

just run balance then

!gen9ousamples

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[onyx halo]

poison jab kingambit??

[summer wagon]

I don't want bro on my team, he's just kinda there

I just don't know what other slow wall breaker would fit

[quick bluff]

know faya said that all the sets are wack but i figured i'd go more into depth abt all of them

• dark pulse on hatt is weird run some psychic move (psychic/psyshock/psynoise)
• cress shouldn't be offensive, it's a supportive presence. give it trick room/moonlight(for recovery)/lunar dance(for healing up a sweeper)/some attacking move (psychic noise/moonblast/ice beam probably all work in some way)
• sinistcha is a bulky wincon and spinblocker, but doesn't really fit on trick room very well due to its dependence on setting up Calm Minds. Also, never run Poltergeist, this thing has a fraudulent physical attacker. Sinistcha on other builds should always be matcha/shadow ball/cm/[strength sap/stun spore], but here it doesn't work at all, i'd drop it for some other tr abuser such as specs torkoal or raging bolt
• ursaluna here is running wacky coverage here and not sure why, all it really needs is facade and headlong rush as its nuclear stabs and then fire punch to hit air balloon resists and the metal birds. Last slot can be sub or swords dance, usually the latter but the former works too to ease switch predictions.
• bronzong is silly and prob not viable but gives your team a defensive kyurem check and a rocker so it's probably suboptimal but fine. I'd run trick room/gyro ball/explosion/rocks with lefties. If you want to run a real mon you can try trick room deo-d, or another tr abuser of your choice.
• what is this kingambit set what what what. kingambit without swords dance is CRAZY and also bro does not need edge or jab. standard set here should be fine, kowtow/sd/sucker with low kick or iron head last

[spiral fable]

this is doubles ou

this channel is for singles ou

[hollow grove]

where is doubles my b

[spiral fable]

DOU

[hollow grove]

i see it way down thx my fault

[quick bluff]

@summer wagon feedback here, accidentally sent msg earlier and had to edit it but this should be good now

also as faya said check smogon sets! https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

[summer wagon]

Okay, thank you!

And could I get rid of gambit for raging bolt instead?

[quick bluff]

i would recommend no

[summer wagon]

My sinistcha is there for eating a couple fire moves from people who don't know about the heat proof ability and type coverage

I also just love lil bro 😤

[quick bluff]

i feel like sinistcha works but on a different teamstyle

i could pass you a sinistcha build if you want

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/69a50691857dbf35 something like this with some abuser in last slot, up to you

hope this helps glhf

[summer wagon]

Thank you

And I love a sinistcha sample team

Also the bronzing still has power Herb, does futuresight use itm

Or should I switch the items

[cold zodiac]

advice and what does this team lose to? https://pokepast.es/e44280ff0e0368c2

[round briar]

Your dragapult has hex and darts on it but they are different move types

Like one is physical the other is special

And ur running a -spa nature too

Next uh I wouldn't run slack off on galar slowking