#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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Bump! My team probably got overlooked

wheat fjord
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dawg what concoction have u cooked up

kind trail
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Was hoping hoopa could wallbreak with that massive spatk stat

spiral fable
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Hoopa is already a fine wall breaker yes

south raptor
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spiral fable
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Don’t run vest raging bolt or treads

south raptor
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after seeing that dudes nickname specs primarina seems kinda cool

spiral fable
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Switch bolt to calm mind with either lefties or booster spattack, drop thunderbolt/thunder up to you

south raptor
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i did that jsut now

spiral fable
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Make treads either lefties or eject button with rocks

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Drop spinner

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Ironically you don’t need hatterene on this team, since pelipper can actually pivot on his own

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Drop hatt for kingambit, it’s a solid rain anchor that can clean up weakened teams

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I’m really iffy about Volcanion, I don’t see what it brings to this team

south raptor
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it was a random pick man i didnt know who to put

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was looking for a spatk

spiral fable
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Hm

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Why not dragonite?

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Special dragonite under rain can legit pull off some good damage + act as a defensive check to waterpon

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Run boots of course

south raptor
spiral fable
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eh

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doesnt solve your waterpon issue

sly mauve
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what can i improve!!

quick bluff
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/fcb2dbfa4505a0c5

latios isn't great in this tier and certainly not with this set, gimmick strategies like trace gardevoir are unviable even if the tracer is otherwise a good mon, which gardevoir is not.
Kingambit should never be band and also should never be poison jab, jab adds nothing to coverage as you have stab iron head for fairies, band is bad because it removes gambit's ability to set up and gambits ability to hit both slow and fast mons rather than choose one per switch in. Band sucker punch is almost always a bad idea as well, as if predicted correctly (not difficult to do) it is just free turns for setup or other things disadvantageous to you.
blissey only really ever fits on stall this gen, and should always be boots at that.
cindy should always be boots, and cindy with no u-turn is wild as its role is a boots pivot. trailblaze and double edge are also fake unfortunately
hate to say it but yanmega is not good in ou. It's prob usable on certain ho structures but overall is an unviable mon, and building around one unviable mon is different than building around like 3 or 4.

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hate to be a downer but idt this is gonna work

sly mauve
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yeah its my first team i've legitimately made so don't feel bad lol it has flaws fs

quick bluff
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I think sample teams are always great for learning a meta, people often think of them as boring but there's always lots to choose from and they all play super intuitively!

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sly mauve
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tysm!!

quick bluff
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yw!

elder forge
quick bluff
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tusk should have ice spinner or knock over cc imo

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not sure why both gouging and moon are here, tbh i would drop gouging for something else, maybe hlilligant?

elder forge
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I once ran Specs Bolt but I really didn’t like it bc I suck at 50/50s 😭
so I slotted in Band Moon for Speed purposes

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Gouger was there for the funny kill everything

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I also liked running Scream Tail because of how monstrously bulky it was vs Kyu but it was ridiculously passive so I went with Hatterene again
but yeah, I can slot in Spinner over CC and Spin over Overheat (fuck you Ribombee)

spiral fable
# elder forge https://pokepast.es/76d2ddc7a3fbdbdb SV Sun OU, min Speed Tork with Sunny Day to...

Drop the spattack invest, you need as much bulk as you can grab, invest 252 into either spdef or def on torkoal
drop overheat for spin
Not the biggest fan of Tusk on Sun, but if you're going to run him I would recommend the Bulk Up set over eject pack, with booster speed and lefties
I really do not approve of 3 choiced attackers, just wake and rmoon are more than enough (btw make rmoon tera dark, and maybe booster attack), drop gouging for hlliligant or kingambit (if you run hllilgant swap rmoon to booster attack)

elder forge
spiral fable
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besides maybe running an offensive tera on hlligant, looks good

merry heron
ruby crest
kindred trout
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does this include doubles

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nvm

hidden crescent
candid fog
spiral fable
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Take this convo to general

candid fog
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Oh i didnt even

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Notice

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Mb lol

stone onyx
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elder forge
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https://pokepast.es/f7ca65a932ed38af SV OU feat. fast pivot Pecharunt (fuck you Zamazenta) and Temper Flare Tusk, looking for advice
ran fast support Cinder over the offensive variant bc I don't like it too much

spiral fable
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pecharunt just... really sucks in OU im sorry

elder forge
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augh 😭

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I saw it on the VR
thought I could opt for it since it's a really good Zama answer but naurr

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what should I take it out for?

spiral fable
elder forge
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offense / bo

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I think

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it might just be balance

spiral fable
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no its defo not balance

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uh

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this team just is really awkward because your offensive pressure isn't the best: expert belt darkrai and tusk can deal decent damage, but wont do that much to the bulkier mons of the tier, and while gambit is gambit it needs a few deaths to really get going

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but also your defensive backbone is pretty weak, with pecharunt being a free entry for opposing gambit + primarina being vest, so it gets chipped easily

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cinderace is also just here ig

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balance needs to be a lot bulkier, while bo/ho needs to be a lot more offensive

elder forge
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could I try something else while keeping EB Krai and BG Gambit?

spiral fable
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i mean if you just want to keep those you could just run dark spam ho

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that's usually where they find each other the most

elder forge
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ooh

spiral fable
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you can also tweak it more if you want, as long as you keep it ho

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outside of HO though, you could probably make some sort of bulky offense team with the two

elder forge
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ty ty me

spiral fable
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glhf

elder forge
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oh oh
rq could it be possible to slot out Timid Glimmy for a more physically defensive spread?

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saw a build like it on the forums
lets you eat physical hits you'd otherwise die to while vomitting up more tspikes too

spiral fable
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uh im really not a fan of it

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you still crumple to eq anyways so you might as well max damage

elder forge
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heck
aight

spiral fable
# stone onyx https://pokepast.es/b5a33cb872518b8a help w this meteor beam deoxys team? chose...

Why run Kommo-o when Zamazenta is just better? Run IDBP Zamazenta with lefties/psychic seed (psychic seed if you want to be more offensive with your zamazenta)
Cloyster just isn't good in OU, you completely blank into any defenisve water, drop it for Polteageist with Tera Blast
I don't like the Deo-S set: why not just run Shadow Ball Superpower with Life Orb instead of Meteor Beam Tera Blast? You can run either Tera Fighting for the gambit resist or tera psychic to nuke things under terrain

stone onyx
languid prairie
reef bay
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silent orbit
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first team... ever lol

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accepting ANY criticism

spiral fable
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All of these sets are unviable: you have Eq Gliscor on a gterrain team, Maushold running sash instead of wide lens, Minior, Brick Break Gambit (and HDB instead of a better item), SD Protect Rillaboom with Drum Beating, and Bulk Up White Herb Hawlucha

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If you're new to comp, I would heavliy recommend running a sample team to learn the metagame and common mons/sets used, at first

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You can find the list of them here

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!gen9ousamples

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silent orbit
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i see, thank you very much

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im mostly a randbats player so im going off with sets i like playing ahha

spiral fable
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Yeah, OU is a completely different environment

thin prairie
stone onyx
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spiral fable
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Or ig more accurately, veil

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Just drop alcremie and Rillaboom

stone onyx
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rillaboom feels weird on it and if im planning to get rid of alcremie then youre right

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who are some good mons to replace them w

spiral fable
stone onyx
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if im dropping rilla should i go id three attack zama

spiral fable
stone onyx
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i dont like sub w out terrain

spiral fable
stone onyx
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roar is good too ill keep that in mind

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how do i deal w glimm?

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is there any good tspike absorbers that can sweep

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wait scratch that

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most my team is special nvm

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could lati work?

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not for glimmora but in general

languid prairie
spiral fable
shy garden
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https://pokepast.es/31384a06fe1f09c9 - This team has been havin some success from testing but Im curious if I should try to fit a spinner/switch Heatran to be more offensive (or even give him boots?) and just curious if any other ideas can improve it

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I was also debating replacing Clefable with either KIngambit, Ghold, or Clodsire but Clod might be overkill here

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if I did that Heatran would be my rocker

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(I wanted to build a team around Volcanion)

thin arrow
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https://pokepast.es/f83c848782f53223

this is my current team and i was just wondering if giving slow king Air balloon instead of heavy duty boots, i mostly use him to para and set up chilly reception for my kyurem, but a lot of people are leading ground types or pokemon with ground moves and are 1 shotting / 2 shotting me

gentle venture
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honestly ı dont like balloon and slowking appreciates boots much more imo

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and whats the deal with body press that slot would be much better with blizzard since you are pivoting to kyurem with glowking it cant miss or draco meteor

thin arrow
thin arrow
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I’ll give him blizzard tho thanks for reply

thin prairie
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https://pokepast.es/76bd80ec05625df1
tried my hand at a bulky ofense team, would be really helpfull if got some help understaind the metagame and/or what i could improve in the team

junior harness
spark gazelle
knotty ginkgo
ruby crest
knotty ginkgo
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It's hard to break through other defensive teams

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Maybe I just play it poorly

ruby crest
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Yeah mu vs stall is annoying

knotty ginkgo
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I mean it felt like I was making progress all the time but Zamazenta didn't even play maybe I need to change it

ruby crest
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Zama is fine gives ur team legit speed control answer to a bunch of stuff and also speed control

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let me finish this unite match and I can give this a proper rate

thin prairie
knotty ginkgo
ruby crest
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zama was if not still better here tbh, was going to change some stuff anyways for the sake of the team to improve stuff

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this team personally could use toxic gking since u hitting gambit with gking is honestly covered with lu, skarm, and zama. Toxic helps putting a lot of annoying stuff on a timer like opposing zama, raging bolt, and kyurem. Id bpress skarm is honestly kinda bad these days i prefer bb with whirlwind more just to continue phazing stuff and and force chip damage with ur hazards, bb also helps be immediate threats to some relevant mons like ogerpon-w and iron val. as nice as clef is here ur team ur team can struggle against the likes of wake, gouging fire, and opposing zama, stall mu is a bit horrendous as u realstically have no way to make effective progress against it, thats why i recommend doing bulky cm primarina which gives u a great defensive answer to a lot of these mons but improves ur fat mu as well. I'm not a huge fan of meowscarada these days cause i do prefer weavile for being much more threatening immediately and priority to revenge kill stuff, but i suppose the pivoting is nice so u can honestly go either or pick ur poison, tho if you go meow then the last move on zama depends, stone edge should be kept if u go meow while if u do weavile it should be roar, its a really good move to phase out set up mons that try to take advantage of zama and set up on it or switch incoming mons that want to take on zama, additional bonus if hazards up for more damage. https://pokepast.es/31fb047b853b2e64 weavile version https://pokepast.es/adf4ed801ad471f0 meow version

knotty ginkgo
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Thanks, that makes sense. I'll try the Primarina, Toxic and more offensive Skarm

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Would CM Clef work too?

ruby crest
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I’m not a fan of cm clef in this meta

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No soft boiled hurts it to be effective as a cm Mon

languid prairie
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More of a repost, but I've been trying this team and I've really struggled against hazard spam (esp ribombee, it's so annoying)

https://pokepast.es/989a0bd0725b8d3e

It destroys a lot of other matchups tho, at least based on experience and personal testing

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quick bluff
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as for treads i wanted a fairy resist and some form of hazard removal

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and araq is decent on tr i've heard so figured with rain it could be silly

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was not tryna do full rain tr just a semirain kind of thing

spiral fable
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Eh I wouldn’t recommend it since you need to stack as many threats as you can and pelipper… just ain’t that

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Araquanid under trick room is also kinda mid since you just blank hard into any fat water

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And Dondozo sits on you for days

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Also why aren’t you running hatterene?

quick bluff
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suppose hatt could replace deo but

spiral fable
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I really don’t think treads is necessary here

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Hatt is nigh essential on trick room and for good reason

quick bluff
spiral fable
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Dozo just curses up and then beats you

quick bluff
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drain 4hkos and recovers off life orb chip plus some

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it definitely forces dozo to rest and then peli just comes in

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idk

spiral fable
quick bluff
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this is true

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feel like it's somewhat significant for rest users like dozo tho

spiral fable
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Look, trust me on this, you need hatterene and either P2 or Cresselia

quick bluff
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is deo-d not better than p2

spiral fable
wise knot
quick bluff
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i feel like cress yeah but p2 lost tport

wise knot
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it's hatt cress gking

spiral fable
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O wait it lost tport?

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Damn nvm

quick bluff
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yeah deo-d is the only guy with tr and teleport this gen

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or well deo in general but deo-s is not doin that

spiral fable
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Ok I’m too used to natdex lol yeah deo d is fine in that case

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You defo want hatt though

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spiral fable
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Honestly there aren’t too many good troom abusers this gen which kinda sucks

quick bluff
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this is something i have noted

spiral fable
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You could try Bolt with Specs Torkoal under sun? You would have to drop araquanid though

quick bluff
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this would be funny

spiral fable
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Alternatively crawdaunt is always an option

quick bluff
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highkey was tryna polish a peli tr team for a friend because i thoght the concept was at worst usable but

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would def be up for a raging bolt tr on my own yeah that sounds fire

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and yeah i considered crawdaunt idk, feels a little too frail and also is threatened by waterpon a lot more than araq

spiral fable
quick bluff
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yeayea

spiral fable
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But yeah specs torkoal is very good and bolt is an actually good mon, you can try running like Hoopa unbound in the last slot

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Wait nvm im horrible at counting that’s already 3 lol

quick bluff
spiral fable
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I would rec Calm Mind Raging Bolt over 4 attack

quick bluff
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should i drop weather ball or pulse for cm

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prob weather ball right

spiral fable
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Up to you both have their merits

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Honestly I’m more iffy on thunderclap and thunderbolt

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Also if you really want to mess with stall a defensive Tera on Ursaluna coukd be the play

quick bluff
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or like tera water or flying

spiral fable
nova sequoia
spiral fable
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@ruby crest specs prim

upper maple
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If only it was with a good teambeweary

ruby crest
# nova sequoia https://pokepast.es/c183716617e1deb9

honestly as cool as it could be here not a fan of the moveset for you always want torrent with it as u can get some pretty dumb calcs with it, sball also hits nothing that psychic noise doesnt already, clod and dozo are two momentum sinks for this team as well for this team as well, honestly given the fact ur bound to be very weak to something volatile regardless if its one or two changes in this team

nova sequoia
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do you have any team recommendations? i enjoy using specs primarina

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you seem like someone that would have a lot of specs Prin teams-

ruby crest
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Honestly I say rework the team just cause you wanna pair it with mons that just enjoy things removed or weakened by specs prime

thin prairie
stone onyx
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spiral fable
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Ok what does araquanid offer rain

junior harness
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Barraskewda is right there

spiral fable
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(Also idk why you’re running gmolt and skewda is better basc)

junior harness
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Why not use that

spiral fable
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The issue is araquanid is slow af, still struggles into all of rain’s usual checks, and offers little

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Congrats on your webs ig, skewda’s 700 speed didn’t really need that

ruby crest
spiral fable
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Gmolt on rain?

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Instead of Bolt/Gambit?

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Or a waterpon check like hoodra/tera dragon moltres/overqwil

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Idk doesn’t feel like it offers much

ruby crest
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I mean rain is always fine with much experiment

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There’s been a new rain team used that has regular moltres

spiral fable
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But gmolt just seems like worse moltres with none of the upside

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You don’t have wisp you don’t have roost you don’t have flame body

ruby crest
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Thing is gmolt compresses a bit of gambit and molt at the cost of something bulky you have something much more threatening

spiral fable
ruby crest
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especially considering gmolt with its stab has like little to no answers

spiral fable
ruby crest
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Which doesn’t like coming in repeatedly especially if gmolt got the boost

spiral fable
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Also primarina to an extent if it’s a bulkier set

spiral fable
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Gmolt just seems like a lot of effort for subpar results

ruby crest
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These are mons that don’t even want to come in constantly especially how easy rain over whelms

ruby crest
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and it’s rain your always fine with messing around with stuff

spiral fable
ruby crest
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Not being forced to switch by locking in and not being forced out cause every team has a gambit answer

spiral fable
ruby crest
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I still see nothing wrong with using gmolt and its rain it’s not like there’s hard restrictions what and not to use in it anyways

spiral fable
ruby crest
spiral fable
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Like rn this just gets 6-0ed by waterpon

ruby crest
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Well fwiw the araq basculegion and ogerpon w stick out more in rain then gmolt lol

spiral fable
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Yeah…

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Still not a fan of gmolt though

stone onyx
spiral fable
ruby crest
stone onyx
spiral fable
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What is outspeeding skewda

ruby crest
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You already have fast mons in rain that don’t care or need webs

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U wasting rain turn anyways trying to use webs

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just click buttons with ur offensive mons

stone onyx
spiral fable
stone onyx
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tough shit

spiral fable
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It’s just not worth it

stone onyx
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or pivot to basc

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but i dont like basc

spiral fable
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You’re wasting rain turns and offensive pressure for little gain

ruby crest
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if ur concerned for woger then actually do use reg molt which has been used on rain to both offensively and defensively check woger

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especially since u can cripple it with wisp or flame body when not using ivy cudgel

stone onyx
ruby crest
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ohh

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fwiw

stone onyx
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getting rid of boosters and whatnot

ruby crest
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woger isnt even worth using in rain

stone onyx
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its absurdly powerful under rain but tbh filling the rest of the spots on the team was hard

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i chose gmolt to soft check gambit and raging but it isnt the best

spiral fable
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Wait how is gmolt soft checking raging bolt

stone onyx
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tera blast

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ig

spiral fable
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Don’t you have a treads

stone onyx
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yeah but if it teras it does nothing against it

ruby crest
stone onyx
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but gmolt doesnt either

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nvm

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i miss seismitoad

stone onyx
ruby crest
stone onyx
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should i change treads to physical w iron head?

ruby crest
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na

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u need spinner

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and eq is a must as ur powerful stab

stone onyx
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i use special just for glimm tspikes but idk if i win the 1v1 if bolt cms up

ruby crest
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i would consider some more spdef into treads tho fwiw

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u might as well use the new rain team since woger, bascu, and araq are just

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not worth using in rain

stone onyx
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alr, ty

thin prairie
upper maple
cloud gull
fierce basin
sharp gull
ruby crest
sharp gull
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I have struggled a bit to get rid of Kingambits, Great tusks and Raging bolts

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other than that it works decently well

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The idea of Bulky Cinderace is to burn Kingambits and 1v1 them, but I have struggled to get them both to match

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Lando was a better fit to fight kingambits

ruby crest
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yeh those mons u mentioned do seem annoying

ruby crest
# sharp gull https://pokepast.es/51cf55d9274fdb2f What can I improve on it? I do not main gen...

https://pokepast.es/28160bd9ebaca5f1 dengo was a bit random for non hstack offense or balance, so i replaced with id zama this gives u a bunch of answers to annoying stuff like kingambit, dragonite, ogerpon, and can phase out common booster energy users with roar, i made gambit tera fire when going against wisp pult (twave is still annoying), and also changed cinderace to offensive double priority is nice to pick off weakened, changed dnite to gking which gives the team better mu against stuff like iron val, raging bolt, and primarina which was really annoying for the team, tera grass helps still check raging bolt but also a situational tera vs ogerpon-w incase zama gets overwhelmed, lasty since we have double priority and zama in this team decided to make this darkrai aoa to give u a strong breaker boots its safe so u dont get prone to hazards but if you want to play a bit more aggresively and increase its breaking potential u can do expert belt

sharp gull
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Thank you so much :), once I get home I will try it out

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This isn’t a full team

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We do not help with incomplete teams

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please only send teams that you've tested out

primal turtle
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pale summit
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What do u guys think of my team

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I’m just starting out on showdown

tender pecan
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iron treads and iron boulder are usually on hyper offence teams, samurott also can be a very aggressive spikes offence lead but samurott and iron treads are usually not used together as both are leads

clodsire is reserved usually for stall, and while this dondozo set is fine for offence, it can be a bit of a momentum breaker as its pretty slow, but not awful here.

I'd say drop clod and samurott, neither are needed here. more experienced people could give you some extra pointers, but yeah this team has a bit of odd synergies

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also I'm personally not a fan of iron boulder at all but if you wanna use it thats fine

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its usable

spiral fable
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Dondozo does not fit on offense at all

tender pecan
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cursetalk sets don't work?

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well

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its not cursetalk

spiral fable
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No

tender pecan
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alright then mb

spiral fable
# pale summit https://pokepast.es/2e0eda7408f831ff

This team doesn’t have a lot of synergy, you have Hyper Offense team members alongside Stall mons and it just doesn’t work together. If you’re just starting out, I would highly recommend using a sample team to learn the metagame first. You can find them in the link below

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!gen9ousamples

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tender pecan
fiery sapphire
spiral fable
tender pecan
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oh ok, safe flight!

spiral fable
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Just wait for one of the other raters to get to it

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(The team is kinda scuffed btw)

tender pecan
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(it is but ye)

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anyway yeah cya

thin gorge
tardy oracle
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https://pokepast.es/838dc7f4a267eceb
Aloma team. Buncha bulky mons, especially av bolt and tusk, who benefit from wish pass. High emphasis on momentum with scarf flip and bulky volt, and wish pass can shrug off chip from say hazards. Head smash on tusk can deal with volc, the occasional moltres, kyurem, and hits fliers hard. Tera blast poison on bolt is for fairies, though steel would work just as fine. Mamo is my rocker and the ice stab+priority is really helpful. Also can reenable sash with wish pass. Latios gives me mainly a levitate mon, with decent speed tiering, strong stab, and special coverage. Endure custap gives a last ditch effort against setup mons or booster valiant.

stone onyx
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thoughts/help on this para spam team? i feel like this team is too passive and gets overwhelmed easily, and i want to make more use out of sinistchas spinblocking ability but building it i had trouble fitting everything in. help is appreciated

https://pokepast.es/a504cd1d2081911a

gusty crypt
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Trying to make a scizor-team work, but I don’t have a lot of experience

spiral fable
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Idk why you have endure latias , or vest raging bolt with that spread, or sash mamoswine, but they don’t work

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Your offensive pressure is poor and your defensive mons are passable at best

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Also, it is clear that you have not tested this team in the slightest

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Volcarona has been banned for weeks

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If you post teams here in the future, please ensure they are up to date and tested

spiral fable
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Also paraspam in general just isn’t that good

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Idk what cinderace is doing here

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I’m iffy on the sinistcha set

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Why are you running Tera Rock Serperior post Volc ban, why is gambit not Tera dark

stone onyx
spiral fable
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This is Bulky Offense

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dense gull
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fiery sapphire
primal turtle
fiery sapphire
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Feels like you need to either pick sticky webs ribombi or choose a screen setter but both seems off given ribonbee normally runs stun spore

junior harness
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Choice item on HO is generally bad, right?

spiral fable
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Yes

primal turtle
fiery sapphire
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Should I repost my team?

spiral fable
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All the raters are kinda dead rn

fiery sapphire
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I see

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So wait till later/tomorrow?

spiral fable
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Yeah

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I would rate but I’m currently on in-flight WiFi

fiery sapphire
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That's fair

spiral fable
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0/10 air Canada never again

spiral fable
fiery sapphire
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Yeeeaaah thought corv might be enough. Though that might only be true for sets not running band or SD

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At least I didn't get a "should probably scrap it"

spiral fable
fiery sapphire
spiral fable
fiery sapphire
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Hm....in that case back to the drawing board.

spiral fable
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I think you should pivot towards more bulky offense, at the very least

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Dropping Tusk for Lando and maybe Prim for something else idk

fiery sapphire
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I dunno if I'm overestimating how good hazards are because I've always seen hazard removal as almost a requirement

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Maybe Prim gets subbed for Id zamazenta? Or does ogerpon water win that too

spiral fable
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No zam is a good offensive check

fiery sapphire
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Ok zama, lando, kingambit, iron val, corviknight (prob gonna be replaced if lando is on the team), and glowking.

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Hmmm should val go as well or does val stay?

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Actually....maybe an immediate breaker? Like a banded mon or specs. Perhaps pult over val? We got twave glowking for speed control

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Or boots pivot

primal turtle
junior harness
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First change your sets, ribombee should be the standard webs set and your team should be full of abusers for the webs.

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Also try ddance roaring moon, it’s a HO staple

primal turtle
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ok

primal turtle
tribal pumice
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so if there’s anything i can change in that lmk

spiral fable
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This is not doubles ou

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Wrong channel

tribal pumice
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i couldn’t find doubles ou

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mb

spiral fable
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DOU rates

tribal pumice
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alright ty

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i’m deleting that shi embarrassing😭

pale summit
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pale summit
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Do you think this is better for hyper offence

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Cause i really wanna keep dozo

spiral fable
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Dozo does not fit on HO

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Or any offense

tender pecan
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also idk if ice beam samurott is a set now but I prefer knock

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alternatively encore to scuffer other leads

upper maple
upper maple
tender pecan
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ye was gonna say

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if samurott is mixed you might as well exploit sharpness

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or just

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don't run mixed lol

pale summit
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So what should I replace dozo with

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?

tender pecan
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You two shot it with aqua cutter iirc

pale summit
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No

tender pecan
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Especially when you're also threatening a knock off

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Or a ceaseless edge

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It just isn't worth it

pale summit
tender pecan
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That's not a guarantee, again gliscor is already not a favorable matchup into hamurott so dk if it's too useful

pale summit
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But still what do I replace dozo with

tender pecan
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waterpon if you're not too scared of type overlap

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thats an option

pale summit
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U sure

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I think I want a special attacker though

tender pecan
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you have raging bolt and serp

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albeit idt serp is very good

pale summit
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But I want 3 physical 3 special

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So it’s mixed enough

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Is volcarona/iron moth a option

tender pecan
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volc has been banned for a while

pale summit
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Oh what about moth

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Cause I want somting to deal with steel types

tender pecan
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iron moth is ok

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it's just not very immediately threatening and is a bit of a tera hog

pale summit
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Or heatran if it’s better

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If I do moth should I add ele terrain prankster thunderus

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As it benefits half my team including moth

tender pecan
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heatran isn't an HO mon

pale summit
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K

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What about thunderus and moth

tender pecan
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I wouldn't use thundurus

pale summit
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K

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But what about moth

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Instead of dozo

tender pecan
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you can swap in moth for dondozo if you want yeah

pale summit
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K

tender pecan
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I mean personally there's a couple other things I find iffy with this team but I'll leave that for an actual rater

pale summit
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One sec and I’ll send the poke paste

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Do you think moth should be specs or scarf

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?

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But i gtg now so..

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Bye

spiral fable
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also weavile is kinda mid on HO, bolt on non webs is iffy, and im not a fan of boulder/serp

fiery sapphire
pale summit
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And who would I replace for webs

pale summit
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But again I not a pro so that’s just my opinion

fiery sapphire
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Knock is mostly there to allow Gliscor to use toxic, though why use thunder wave on clef when it's also on glowking

pale summit
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Ah I didn’t notice twave on slowing

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But you don’t need both on kyreum

fiery sapphire
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Hmmm, replaced beam with blizzard. Kept freeze dry so it doesn't get walled by water types.

spiral fable
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Ice beam is perfectly fine on Kyurem

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I understand that we are backed up rn but please don’t give advice if you are not an experienced player in the tier, as bad feedback is worse than no feedback

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Hat this is a solid team, no real issues I can spot

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Offensive pressure might be a bit lacking but it should be fine with Kyurem + Ghold

fiery sapphire
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Alright^^ thanks.

fiery sapphire
fiery sapphire
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Hmmmm should I replace toxic with knock off on gliscor for double knock off

quick bluff
fiery sapphire
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Trying to think of ways to make this team better, maybe modest kyurem instead of timid for more power?

quick bluff
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nah i think as faya said it is good as is

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quick bluff
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is there anything specific i should replace them with or

ruby crest
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Just do mana and zama

quick bluff
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i was just thinking of ways to get other hazards up on webs

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do you think hamurott would be usable over kleav?

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can def put zam over serp tho

ruby crest
ruby crest
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Tho you load vs opposing ho and ogerpon worse which is why zama is nice here

spare light
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Scizor, bulky Garchomp, Swampert core?

ruby crest
spare light
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My bad

ruby crest
# spare light My bad

U good, if you need help building a team u would advice asking in #comp-general tho fwiw that core eus a guy iffy since most of those mons are mediocre

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ruby crest
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this is just ctc's sample team with different sets

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dont repost sample teams that you modified urself and trying to get it rated

fathom wraith
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is it?

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i didnt know it was a sample 😭

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my bad

ruby crest
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happens to the best of us

fathom wraith
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i just saw it on the ladder and thought it was cool

thin gorge
ruby crest
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dd moon, sash pult, bu booster tusk, red card glimmer > gking, play rough > encore on ogerpon-w, and hatt can be anything tbh

thin gorge
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ok ty

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any specific recommendations for hatt replacement?

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and when you mean sash pult do you mean the hex dragon darts set

ruby crest
thin gorge
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alr

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ty

shy garden
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This was missed a couple times so I took a big break to repost it, but ended up moving on to other stuff and getting distracted. It was doing pretty well but I wanted a lil more tinkering done

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Volcanion is the only 100% need and I did quite like pairing him with Oger and Heatran but that's not necessary sop I wouldnt worry about it

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I think my brain went too hard into immunities and I cant snap out of it when tinkering with the team. So I need someone else to look at it and change stuff for me. I wasnt just losing a ton but I know it wasnt super well made. Got an alt to ~1610 with it and then kinda just stopped

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scarlet wren
quick olive
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oops

tender pecan
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it can block spin but there's much better ghost types

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also idk if red card on ting lu to force a switch is worth it when you're already running whirlwind

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also why is dnite inner focus?

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probably just forgot but ye

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swap that

rain kernel
scarlet wren
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I went gengar for coverage but I'll try to find something better

scarlet wren
tender pecan
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the most standout things are swap gengar, maybe for gholdengo, drop red card on ting lu for lefties and mutliscale on dnite

scarlet wren
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oo yea gholdengo would be a good replacement

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thanks sm

tender pecan
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not sure if I like heatran and lando pulling very very similar roles here but its fine

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yw

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a rater will come eventually and give you more in depth stuff

scarlet wren
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awesome

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I was thinking ab switching heatran out for cinderace

tender pecan
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although if you are just starting off, try a sample

scarlet wren
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thats probably smart lol

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tender pecan
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there

scarlet wren
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thanks

ruby crest
south raptor
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south raptor
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i kinda get wallled by primerina

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its a 50/50 depending on what mons get ko’d

ruby crest
stone onyx
spiral fable
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These sets are pretty scuffed

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Like Loaded Dice Dnite, Scizor with Sitrus, and Necrozma?

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None of them are really good, and definitely not worth using on HO over threats like Darkrai Iron Valiant etc etc

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Furthermore, physical spam HO really doesn’t work in OU, as you get hard walled by Gliscor + Dozo

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It works in Ubers because the threats are far, far stronger and can overwhelm dozo easily, but here all it needs to do is curse up twice and suddenly your entire team is walled

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Your sole out is Encore Dnite, which gets walled by Gliscor

spiral fable
brisk cedar
spiral fable
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Like seriously what are either doing there

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That Dnite gets hard walled by Primarina and struggles hard into Gliscor while Scizor loses to the metal birds + mola + Dozo

stone onyx
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idk if it wins the 1v1 long term tho

spiral fable
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No cuz dozo just curses up and you’re in an even worse position now

stone onyx
spiral fable
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You swap out getting walled by dozo for getting walled by blissey

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Necrozma just isn’t good

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quasi compass
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i feel like ur overrating dozo a bit

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alo is a pretty good sub imo

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could be wrong

spiral fable
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Dozo has a longevity that Mola can’t dream of

quasi compass
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do you think it subs for mola then?

spiral fable
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No

quasi compass
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i feel like wish is useful here

spiral fable
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They fill two different roles

quasi compass
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yea

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prob dnite tbh

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but my issue then is that something like ogerpon smashes

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and tera fly on dnite is a really useful switch up

spiral fable
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Dnite just doesn’t offer a lot on stall

quasi compass
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hm

spiral fable
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Like sure it’s a waterpon check, but so is dozo/gliscor

quasi compass
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gliscor is def not

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that thing gets ohkod

spiral fable
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It doesn’t actually

quasi compass
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after tera?

spiral fable
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If you’re counting Tera you can also just defensive Tera gliscor

quasi compass
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that's fair

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my main issue with that kinda thing is tho

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is that stall already relies so much on predicts in gen 9

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that necessitating a tera to check 1 mon leaves it really open

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esp if they have like spikes up or smth

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since i dont have removak

spiral fable
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Well that’s the bigger issue with your team

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You have no knock absorber with your team

quasi compass
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right

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in gen 8 it was gastro but that guy does not do shit anymore

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do you think smth like torn t would be decent?

spiral fable
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No

quasi compass
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not as a knock absorber

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but just as a regen switch

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instead of dnite

spiral fable
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No

quasi compass
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ok

spiral fable
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You need a knock absorber not something that still loses to Waterpon

quasi compass
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ok

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i mean glisc kinda is? but again hard v waterpon

spiral fable
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Gliscor loses to both Weavile and Meow it is not a knock absorber

quasi compass
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drapple is interesting but yeah

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trip axel murders it

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and committing tera water on either of those mons is a bad idea

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i also have an issue w/ tera dark gambit and mixed kyurem specifically

spiral fable
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I would recommend checking out the stall bible for a comprehensive list of viable mons on stall and their roles

quasi compass
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ok

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thoughts on answers to mixed loaded dice kyurem sets defensively?

spiral fable
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Pex

quasi compass
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fair enough

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i love pex sm

spiral fable
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Link to stall bible

quasi compass
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ty

sly mauve
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Should I go nasty plot over trick on ghold

fiery sapphire
spiral fable
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Unaware clef is fodder for any roar/whirlwind + hazards + toxic

spiral fable
sly mauve
spiral fable
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Knock Waterpon isn’t that good, you would rather have encore or Play Rough

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I would recommend Encore btw

sly mauve
sly mauve
spiral fable
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You really don’t want to run choice items on HO, outside of really rare times

spiral fable
spiral fable
sly mauve
sly mauve
spiral fable
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I’m going to be honest Galvantula just sucks as a webs setter, you just lose to tusk. Ribombee is currently the only viable Webs setter in OU, use her instead

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I do not see the purpose of Tusk nor Rotom heat on this team, you don’t need spin/rocks nor do you need a pivot for HO

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If you want to keep Tusk you can easily pivot to a Bulk Up set with Booster Speed, but rotom gives nothing and should be dropped for another sweeper like Roaring Moon

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O yeah change the ghold Tera to fairy or flying

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Lastly, Darkrai is fine but Sash is easy to break since Webs has no way to deny opposing hazard besides ig spin from BU tusk, but even then that’s not reliable, so I would swap to Expert belt or life orb

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Also, Tera blast fighting just isn’t worth it when you have focus blast: I know, missing it sucks, but you never want to have to be forced to Tera just to gain access to Fighting coverage, especially when you need it for a lot of the threats in the metagame

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https://pokepast.es/aaa3a02284f75611

Hey guys, I'm trying to build around kyurem but I kinda feel like im hitting a wall with this team, idk what it is, but running it just feels off, and I wonder what do I update to build around kyurem?

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delicate plaza
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still debating on whether I want meow or cind in this team or if I should just not run them at all

ruby crest
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Cind is fine gives u much needed hazard control but I wouldn’t go Hstack in this

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Honestly would say you go zama > boulder and bulky cm primarina > skarm

delicate plaza
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also which zama tho, mirror herb, or lefties?

ruby crest
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4 attacks, actually I take back the prima cause I realized this loads poorly vs ghost so do gambit instead and for zama do 3 attacks roar

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delicate plaza
quick bluff
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tried building around greninja, decided lorb was fraudulent

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made something potentially fire

languid prairie
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so I made this team earlier with a little help in the OU discord

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can I have some comments/suggestions?

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languid prairie
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doesn't have to follow the theme btw, I just thought it was a nice touch lmao

spiral fable
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Not a fan of Scarf Darkrai, it doesn’t really have the power or coverage that make its 4 attack sets and nasty plot sets work

languid prairie
frail gazelle
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I’ve seen some high ladder guys run ebelt but idk about specs

spiral fable
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Specs is alright but I would recommend ebelt

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There’s other issues with this team but I’m busy rn and I’ll let another rater get to it/get back to it a lot later

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O yeah ghost gambit just is not a good tera

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Run fairy if you want to beat Zama and the steel birds

languid prairie
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fair nuff, no worries man

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just @ me if ever

quick bluff
tender pecan
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also you forgot 4 evs on dragapult btw

quick bluff
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true, could make lando tera grass or smth

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or dragon idk

tender pecan
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I'm tryna think if you can swap anybody out but I can't think of a good replacement for anyone here whilst still filling the same role

tender pecan
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stall you kind of need super specific mons this gen, milotic and amoongus tend not to be able to fill that role

knotty ginkgo
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It's supposed to be an attempt of Milotic Stall 😔

tender pecan
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unfortunately milotic has kind of fallen off

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alomomola is much better on stall cause it has wish passing + regenerator and also pivoting

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milotic isn't awful but stall is in such a weird place this gen which sort of mandates it to have a very small list of pokemon to be effective

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why are you rocky helmet zapdos, what is that primarina set

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im ngl this is a poorly built bo you have no hazards and your defensive mons are poor

sly mauve
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thats what i j asked

spiral fable
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im ngl im leaning scrap this team

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i just dont see the synergy or reason behind a lot of this

sly mauve
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it works extremely well against alot of teams

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j not stall

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its worked in literally every elo possible

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im thinking i need a knock off mon and some hazards, scrapping it seems foolish

spiral fable
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no offnese, but your peak is 1600, that's not really a good limiter test of an excellent team

sly mauve
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huh????

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my peak is 1800

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with this team 😭

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also i didnt build this, i j stole it off of a yt video pretty sure

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which is why i thought it would work

spiral fable
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ok wait this is a stolen team?

sly mauve
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yes

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it just isnt working vs stall

spiral fable
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we do not rate those here

sly mauve
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oh

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well its not completely

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the zamazenta is mine

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ig

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it used to be boulder

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and psyshock was my addition

spiral fable
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ok, that really doesnt change a lot

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we do not rate teams that othe rpeople made and you took

sly mauve
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ohhh

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ok

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mb

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do you know a good knock off user tho

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that i could add

spiral fable
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why would knock benefit you in the stall matchup

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when you have no hstack

sly mauve
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i got rocks

spiral fable
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i do not see rocks anywhere on this team

sly mauve
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well nvm thats not stack

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wait fr?

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tusk is supposed to be rocks

spiral fable
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and like i said, we do not rate teams that you took from other people

sly mauve
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yea ok

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mb

spiral fable
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Where is the Bellibolt you FRAUD

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Everyone knows Bellibolt is essential on Rain

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What are you doing

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Scrap this team immediately

spiral fable
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We don’t rate unserious teams…

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Refer to above messages

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languid prairie
grave ginkgo
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spiral fable
# grave ginkgo https://pokepast.es/faece03a6e66f6a0

Webs always needs Gholdengo, choiced mons really don't fit on HO and definitely not Lokix, and Deoxys isn't very good on Webs either
I would drop Lokix for Air Balloon Gholdengo with Psyshock, and Deoxys-Speed for Iron Defense Zamazenta, to give your team an out against opposing HO

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You can also explore dropping Primarina for Serperior to punish Court Change/opposing webs

quick bluff
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funny mixed greninja offense

spiral fable
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I… just do not think greninja is viable in ou im ngl

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Like it is just worse Darkrai outside of rain

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Besides that, I would make Pult hex u turn

weary crypt
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Other guy was being a troll but to be real you do want an electric guy on rain generally

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Either put zap or belly

spiral fable
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Alavi made belli rain

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He is the dude who pioneered the team

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wrong chat

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wispy fulcrum
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nw

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happens

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knock off?

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Yes

tawdry umbra
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my great tusk has that

junior harness
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And why are you running hurricane on wake?

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I think I copied the builds of the smogon website, do they change often?

junior harness
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Yes, in the middle of a gen yes.

tawdry umbra
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thats probably why

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what about for walking wake?

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also, would gouging fire be better than roaring moon, because it seems like gouging fire is meant for sun with its healing move

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I am thinking about swapping out lilligant, is lilligant feasable for ou? And if I swap idk what I would swap for

spiral fable
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Eh on sun I would argue it is

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I would drop gholdengo for hatterene and either make rmoon banded or like alavi said swap it for Gouging Fire

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I would also swap Hlliligant to LO and like Alavi said either three attack + support or make VD SD

tawdry umbra
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what's LO

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Life orb

tawdry umbra
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Eject button

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what situation should I use healing wish?

spiral fable
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Use it as a one and done pivot out of torkoal

spiral fable
tawdry umbra
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Is it fine that torkal is my only hazard?

spiral fable
tawdry umbra
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How should I use lilligant now?

spiral fable
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What’s the set, SD?

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Or 3 attack?

tawdry umbra
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3 attack, copied from smogon

spiral fable
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Just use it as a sweeper + speed control

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would that be a pivot or wall breaker?

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or something else?

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because it cant really setup

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Wall breaker, but it’s really just an attacker

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Click buttons do damage

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oh

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Hurricane in sun lowers the accuracy and you want Draco as it’s ur most powerful dragon stab

tawdry umbra
ruby crest
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Dragon pulse misses out in the important damage that Draco would normally secure

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If you want to make wake more scary you can do modest Draco and pulse otherwise if you wanna play it safe then then Draco and flip turn

tawdry umbra
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why have both?

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powerful stab good at breaking stuff or deleting stuff

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Pulse is a safe option when something is in range of it

tawdry umbra
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how should I counter fairy? I ave tera steel great tusk but I won't always be able to use that

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I mean most of the viable fairies hate coming in on hydro steam under sun and they get overwhelmed attempted to check the mons in sun only to be in range for other ones to break

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They are bound to remove or weaken something but they are bound to losing something

tawdry umbra
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opponent hatterenes?

spiral fable
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hates coming in on hydro steam

knotty ginkgo
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How should I handle other weather teams, I just got destroyed by a pelipper rain team

weary crypt
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Predict, position, think

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though if you want to ask general usage tips you should take this out of rates

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i want to use special sceptile

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any help

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Due to its middling attack stat you give a lot of dangerous sweepers time to set up, or allow defensive Pokémon to lay hazards and heal up

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It’s speed stat after unburden, while impressive, cannot convert to much due to the aforementioned attacking stats

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I would recommend using sceptile in a lower tier, where it’s stat spread can be utilized effectively

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tusk hits 5/6 mons super effectively, kyurem hits 6 and you have nothing to revenge kill with (hamurott doesn't even 2 hit kyurem). Glowking is modest spatk invest so it doesn't switch into kyurem as easily as it should. Kingambit is allowed free entry by 2 of your mons and if gliscor gets overwhelmed it'll kill everything. you have no removal and are too susceptible to hazards imo. You could slap zamazenta on to try to fix some of the previous issues mentioned but I think unfortunately you're probably better off scrapping. For your next attempt I'd check the smogon EV spreads as well as referring to the top used mons and looking at how your team does into them, or testing on ladder first. Sorry I don't have an updated paste to give you but hopefully the explanation helps with your next attempt. Good luck and have fun

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Trying to figure out a better way to optimize this team.

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fiery sapphire
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That team honestly looks like it struggles with booster Valiant itself

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Hmmm actually....maybe not

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is spikes meow viable

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i keep getting my shit kicked in but idk if its bc of meow

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No it’s not

stone onyx
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garg geezing balance

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ruby crest
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Overall I struggle a lot with more defensive teams, I can't properly break an alomomola or a gliscor

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I like the idea of scarf kyurem since it is not expected a lot and it can pick up a kill

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Yeah but then u don’t really have any immediate breaker

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Going specs give u that cutting edge u need against bulkier builds

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how to deal with zama better?

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Just a tip Veil HO should be full of set up sweepers

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I’m not a fan of Scizor on HO: there’s just better setup sweepers you could be using + you don’t want to run uturn on a sweeper

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Same with Iron Moth

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Why is gambit rocks instead of swords dance

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Make Val calm mind

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scizor wants close combat knock bullet always and its most effective on hazard ho

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Drop Scizor for Iron Defense Zamazenta, and at least make Moth booster speed

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I would recommend dropping moth entirely for Rmoon though

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https://pokepast.es/2af21f7fc06e55f6
played a few games, big takeaways are that i struggle with fairy and water types. Val especially w knock + fairy move is terrifying. what do you guys recommend I change?

spiral fable
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what does iron crown do?

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its best boots iron crown offers a strong spdef pivot that can dish out some damage, annoy the waters with future sight pivoting into a breaker, and take on val

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honestly iffy about that but its worth a shot

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Why shadow ball over knock of

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pretty sure it was because I didn't find knock off too important here since none of my team really benefit from it other than tusk with helmet removal

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but it was moreso because of ghost fighting coverage being pretty nice

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also for hatt too

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Ngl don’t like zama + tusk here in the same team here feels like roles are just overlapping in a way you also don’t have a rocker or ground immune which is are beneficial for a lot of teams, would just make this boots breaker deos > lo, lando-t > great tusk, Change gambit Tera to fire and prima to ghost, do roar > heavy slam on zama, and would make this Tera grass on gking to somewhat improve mu vs ogerpon w

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Also if you feel I miss out on breaking now without tusk and boots deos just make this 3 attacks zama then

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That’s why ur going boots spam

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every other Mon is important here that it’s not worth adding a hazard remover since it’s fine going boots spam, unless you wanna do cinder over deos which defeats the purpose of the team

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i thought deoxys speed was cool, so i put it as my main supportive lead

ruby crest
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ngl feels like there’s to much going on

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You gotta commit to a playstyle which regardless what you pick gotta do a massive team overhaul

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Screens sun and grassy offense are different play styles that generally don’t overlap

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sun room!

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i play vgc so idk about ou stuff

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i lowered my special attack on the walking wake so its speed boosted in sun

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i think thats good out of trick room for like endgame

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Yeah generally in ou you don’t mix playstyles where in vgc u can afford it since you pick mons accordingly, games are longer and can be played around with due to the lack of synergy in ou

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did i do it right now?

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or better than before

ruby crest
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It’s still the same issue tho there are some tr variants with offensive torkoal tho tr as a whole in ou is bad

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I see

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I got beat up by a tentacruel team

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I'm using vgc logic in ou. Not a great idea. Thanks bro

ruby crest
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no problemo

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I might try it w/prim again
maybe
idk i feel like id have to change out kyurem if I run kingambit

ruby crest
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letting pult and dengo spam ghost moves freely is the last thing you want any team to get

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https://pokepast.es/face6703df0e2c31 I'm only using Amoonguss for Ogerpon-W, can never click Toxic because everyone has a steel type, already have Haze on Milotic to reset stats and with this many physical walls it feels like I don't need the mon at all. What can I use instead of it to counter Ogerpon-W? Anything else I should change?
I'm also having some troubles against Sun, maybe I can change a Tera or swap Amoonguss for something that's also good in the Sun matchup ig

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I'm trying Sinistcha instead of Amoonguss rn but idk

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I was gonna say pex over milotic

spiral fable
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Max defense and boots

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It can also be a knock absorber if you give it sticky hold instead of regenerator but then it probably needs wish support and then you need to slot alo so if clef is already your knock absorber run regen

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*needs wish support against banded rilla in particular because they can just click u turn which does like 40

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Hydrapple on stall isn’t really good

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It’s a Tera hog as a knock absorber and doesn’t even check waterpon well

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If you’re really desperate for an ogerpon check, then like I said, slot toxic in gliscor (which you already should be doing btw) and Tera to stall out Waterpon

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Sleep and Flutter Mane are banned, Lilligant and Infernape are unviable

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Kingambit shouldn't run life orb, protect, or tera steel

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Oops sorry wrong team

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For example, Rmoon generally avoids running dragon stab, and physical iron Val wants encore

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Also, hsamurott is not a good sweeper, and should only be used on HO as a suicide lead, which you already have in deoxys. You should also not use Gholdengo on non webs HO, as it is too slow and easily rked otherwise

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Curse is necessary on dozo cuz you get overwhelmed otherwise by all the physical threats, especially booster mons/gambit

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Idk why you’re opposed to having double toxic, but if you really hate the idea that much you can run pjab on gliscor ig. You definitely need to keep toxic on amoonguss and at least some sort of status in pjab or toxic from gliscor

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And I’m just going to reiterate that milotic is objectively holding your team back but that’s up to you ig

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I'm not clicking Toxic on Amoonguss at all, so if I were to put Toxic on other mon as well I would click it even less on Amoonguss

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Maybe it's just that I don't use the Amoonguss well and I should have more spots to use the move that I don't see

spiral fable
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Or the switch in after you force Waterpon out

knotty ginkgo
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Because I have to Clear Smog it after they SD and then they just go to their steel type

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They just go to Kingambit or Heatran or something like that

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Well, Clear Smog also misses against the steel types

spiral fable
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You need status on amoonguss

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You let in too many things otherwise

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languid prairie
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It doesn't sweep but its not meant to its just meant to apply more pressure like if you already have a spike up

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If you would actually read my statement, I stated it’s not a good sweeper

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And should not be used on HO as one

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oh wait why the hell is my Glowking Careful

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other than being physical tanks I don't see how the two fighters overlap at all

ruby crest
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bulky fighting types that more or less check some stuff while tusk is an occasional rocker knocker and hazard removal, team honestly would be fine without tusk

rain kernel
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balloon Dengo shuts down a surprising number of things too. But I'm considering a bulky set

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ur better off with lando or gliscor here more so glisc tbh since it still gives u a knocker and checks a lot fo stuff

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dengo also isnt important here considering this isnt hstack or just provide anything significant that isnt done by pult or zama

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Dengo shuts down a lot of common Gliscor and Clod sets, and is another anti-fairy because fairies can hurt me pretty bad if let them

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kinda the whole idea of the team was "I want to build around the 6 best mons in OU"

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that was my thought from the outset

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Ok, but you can’t build a team around them because they each slot into different roles

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(And ghold being top 6 is questionable anyways)

rain kernel
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I know Glisc is great