[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[trail charm]

99% of torkoals go for srocks

[sly mauve]

Sure those can TANK but what are they doing back lmao

[trail charm]

To gloking?

[sly mauve]

glowking solos all of them through just outlasting or poison fish

[trail charm]

If I have eterrain and hands out I can go for eq and outspeed, or if they don't have ground types supercell slam hits anything like a bus

[tender pecan]

not to mention the fact that everything is tera electric and everything is relying on electric terrain

[trail charm]

Most glokings don't feel threatened by terrain

[tender pecan]

ice spinner tusk just dismantles your entire strat

[trail charm]

Not rlly

If tusk is on the field

I can rwash and get a free reflect screen set, switch into curchin and then into fmoth or hands depending

If tusk stays in I can 1 shot with hpump, with reflect hands wins it with it + elec seed and frosmoth can 1hko without it using tera

[sly mauve]

anyways i feel the most pressing problem here is IDBP zama

[tender pecan]

elec seed won't be up if ice spinner comes out

[trail charm]

Zama is one of the issues I'm gonna be fr

[sly mauve]

Tera solos your whole team

[trail charm]

If I switch in hands immediately after sending curchin, unless he reads the curchin switch elec seed will activate

Against zama

I usually read tera steel

And pivot from alola rai into another mon

Usually curchin just to see if he goes for tera

Some sets get 2hko by terrain vswitch

I've also been able to handle zama reliably with pawmot even

If they go for iron defense

I always go for nuzzle first on zama in that case

Because once I nuzzle them I can perma encore them

And get a revival blessing or switch into alolarai and just keep vswitch pivoting

[sly mauve]

another pretty big problem is Pult

[tender pecan]

and if its all out attacking and slams you with play rough

[trail charm]

Either than or theyre forced to switch and lose dauntless

[sly mauve]

outspeeds and threatens all your team except achu if terrain is up

[tender pecan]

if frosmoth goes down which it usually does because it just is not a good mon then you have no hazard removal

[trail charm]

Pults only issue really is mixed attacker sets, usually the threat of it makes me go for alluring voice with alolachu on terrain but if I can figure out its a twave willo hex set then usually tera elec frosmoth can bait out twave

Frosmoth usually stays in longer than most

I just keep him away from all physical attackers

[sly mauve]

mixed is likev 60% of em\

[tender pecan]

it doesn't help that frosmoth does not want to be near ghold

the one thing blocking defog

[trail charm]

Frosmoth with tera elec beats every ghold nearly

Most are twave sets

With the occassional scarf

[tender pecan]

if your expending your tera to beat it then idk bro

[trail charm]

I built the team around only using fmoth for tera, since like

Frosmoth needs it to actually be viable

Bro got cursed with ice bug

[tender pecan]

that should hint at it being kinda awful

[trail charm]

With tera it's kinda crazy at times

Like its typing and lack of a good move to pair with ice beam

Was its main weakness

But boltbeam coverage late game against special mons if I can take out their wincons, or at least sweep if they don't switch is pretty big

I've won numerous sets because they don't switch ghold early enough and aren't running gambit

[tender pecan]

well like

its good on paper

but if it gets knocked

[sly mauve]

im not gonna lie frosmoth seems like it has a pretty nice niche in the meta but being able to name 2 huge pokemon in the meta that solos 5/6 of your team is a pretty big problem

[tender pecan]

you cannot ever switch it out and back in again

[trail charm]

Yeah thats why I never keep it in on physical attackers

[tender pecan]

you have to just tera then and there which isn't a great situation to be forced into

[delicate plaza]

true, it kinda feels like 1 misplay is all it takes to go "welp ggs" and then ff

[trail charm]

If I read knock off it's a pretty free hands switch

You'd be surprised, at least w revival to revive the right wincons

[tender pecan]

this team kinda entirely depends on the fact that its so out there to get going but a well built team should be able to play around this in all honesty

[trail charm]

I can't think of a mon other than hoopa U or zama if I misplay with curchin so I can't access terrain

[tender pecan]

electric seed iron hands is ok until you get roared or whirlwinded out then you just have an eh mon

[trail charm]

I've beaten pretty solid 1900s+ teams with it

[tender pecan]

I feel it has a lot to do with the fact that its just kinda whack

[delicate plaza]

wut abt ting lu

[tender pecan]

the surprise factor holds this together

[brisk cedar]

I've played against you quite a few times and you have barely ajy counterplay to half the meta

[trail charm]

Also eseed is mainly out there for stuff like mold breaker exca

Hands isn't bad without eseed since quark drive atk and decent bulk

Plus screens if I need

[tender pecan]

you need to dance around so many threats and play kinda precision perfect to get this right

like iron hands gets kinda mogged by special iron valiant

[trail charm]

Hands d punch handles it or forces a switch

[tender pecan]

so you need to switch out of that

[trail charm]

Yeah ival is a threat I usually have to sack curchin for

[tender pecan]

like you need screens, and e terrain, and certain predictions it just does not feel worth it

[trail charm]

But alola rai 1hkos with vswitch or if they have no dark types, psychic

[tender pecan]

especially when pokemon like rilla can make e terrain annoying to keep up, albeit frosmoth can probably handle it

[trail charm]

I think the aspect of being able to sack curchin and bring him back later to keep up pressure definitely helps, it for sure requires a bit of outplaying but the main way the team plays is forcing other mons out and hitting them with coverage moves

Fmoth handles rilla pretty well but I usually prefer hands for that

Since if I tera moth I lose grass resist

[tender pecan]

thats kinda another thing this falls apart without pawmot like that thing cannot die ever

especially because its not boots

it can get two revival blessings off if you live

but if you don't welp

[trail charm]

I usually save pawmot for mons like gambit or stuff that can only 2hko me and are slower

[tender pecan]

you do have max defence so yeah kingambit shouldn't be able to ohko you

[trail charm]

It honestly mostly is held together by alola rai and hands hitting everything for good damage if I either guess their reads or they take neutral damage from stab moces

[tender pecan]

unless it has crazy shit like tera fairy tera blast

[trail charm]

Gambit is a 3hko

Yeah tera fairy is an issue ngl LOL

Most don't run it though

[tender pecan]

hence iron val

[trail charm]

At least that I've seen

[tender pecan]

being an issue

[trail charm]

Alola rai handles val pretty consistently

I'm able to go for vswitch or psychic safely on terrain depending on their switch in options

[tender pecan]

it can tera out of bad mus

[trail charm]

If they tera vswitch still 1hkos

Well

[tender pecan]

ig e terrain boost

[trail charm]

Other than tera elec

[tender pecan]

and valiant can't take hits for its life

[trail charm]

Yeah eterrain boost + specs + stab on surge surfer makes it hit like a t bolt

Ival kinda relies on being the fastest mon on the field

With booster energy

[tender pecan]

it does get a quark drive boost here so

if its not booster

[trail charm]

Its really funny because some tera to avoid psychic weakness just to get 1hko by vswitch

[tender pecan]

that might be bad

[trail charm]

Well ig scarf but I've never seen a scarf ival

[tender pecan]

it does exist but its uncommon yeah

[trail charm]

In that case it'd make its mixed attacker aspect a lot easier to handle

Cause I could switch into fmoth or hands safely

[tender pecan]

also idk how you deal with stall

stall isn't too great rn but like

[trail charm]

Stall is pretty much a matchup check and guessing with iron hands, I use vswitch when blissey switch ins are obvious

[tender pecan]

status seems like it could really annoy you

[trail charm]

But like

If they have gliscor and I'm in with hands against blissey

They nearly always see gscor as the safest option

[tender pecan]

twave probably won't be thrown around that much but toxic and will o wisp hurt

[trail charm]

Status can be annoying but revival blessing helps a lot

I've had times with hands

Where I've gotten burned and just spammed supercell slam until it died due to a ground switch in

Just to revive it without burn

Usually against stuff like dirge I try and para with curchin or pawmot

Most dirges go for willo against pawmot

[tender pecan]

I understand the theory here but I can't be sold on a team that requires so much positioning to get right

[trail charm]

So I can nuzzle, encore, then revival bless

I have some replays I'd show but unsure how to send through here

In practice, at least on ladder it functions pretty solidly

[tender pecan]

I do believe you but this can fumble hard if a couple things go wrong

webs ruins the whole, fast strat iff frosmoth can't defog

you kinda need screens at times

and a lot of pokemon have sets that can give you trouble

[trail charm]

Yeah theres definitely matches I've lost because I need to go for a riskier play but the more I use the team the less risky ways I've found to deal with it

Webs isn't too bad honestly, solely from the fact that the only mons really affected by it are pawmot and rarelt alolachu

Since rwash and fmoth are immune, hands doesn't really need speed and on terrain alolachu still has like 421 speed

Hands and moth can tank hits pretty reliably specially and physically respectively, with hands get regen, screens aren't really necessary but help get in safer for sure

[tender pecan]

moth can tank some hits key word

ice scales is great but

awful awful typing

anything with fire coverage could end it rq

[trail charm]

Thats why I only send it against stuff I'm sure aren't going for a super effective move

Like darkrai

[tender pecan]

I feel that can still be played around

[trail charm]

Most fire coverage usually comes out after moth is already in

[tender pecan]

its very prediction heavy you feel

[trail charm]

Oh yeah definitely but it's not too easy when the option to either set up terrain again, switch into rwash hands or pawmot against stall mons exist

[tender pecan]

like if they have a gouging or something in the back

that will be an omnipresent threat to it until it goes away

[trail charm]

Gouging can be annoying but I can usually handle it with hands eq

If theyre a breaking swipe set

It's almost guarenteed theyre gonna morning sun after breaking

And tanking the eq

So pawmot can be sent in to encore

It's a prediction but in that scenario I don't think it's failed

If its proto speed though then it's just slowly chipping away with rai with the potential screens setup if I want to try to para it

Tbh gouging is one of the bigger issues my team has

But overall I've dealt with it fairly well

[delicate plaza]

thats deffo a lot of situation awareness
my ass could never pilot this kind of team like that AJSDKAJ

[trail charm]

Revival blessing makes me feel a lot safer about sacking alolachu for an alluring voice

[tender pecan]

this has a stupid high skill ceiling I don't blame you

[trail charm]

I've just played so many matches with this team because I was determined to make top 500 with it 😭

Honestly just a huge aspect of it is that they don't know the matchups for these mons at all

On ladder

And one mistake can cost them a mon

[tender pecan]

well yeah cause they're all not in OU

[trail charm]

Honestly works in the teams favor

[tender pecan]

no one prepares for alo raichu

[delicate plaza]

ikr I'd only be able to make this kind of team when I was super active in 8 OU, and even then, prolly not to this extent

[trail charm]

No one expects the 91 base power on eterrain specs vswitch

It's such a funny move when theres no ground mons

[tender pecan]

thats not something to be depended upon tho

[trail charm]

Because I can just hit them like a truck and then switch into hands/rwash/fmoth safely

[delicate plaza]

and now I lost all my old teams so I dont remember teambuilding for that gen anymore

[tender pecan]

ground types are on nearly every team that isn't HO

[trail charm]

Yeah for sure, that's why I run fblast, psychic also helps with tusk

Fblast 1hkoes treads+exca but it definitely is inconsistent

But if its on a switch in

I outspeed treads

So if the first one misses

They either have to stay in and hope it misses, switch to another mon at the risk of me switching to something like rwash, or use tera

Most treads sets have nothing they can do against rwash other than vswitch, so I can just spam vswitch into treads and pivot on their pivot

Unless it's a ground mon but in that case 252+ sp atk hydro pump

R-Wash is the glue that holds the team together imo, since it forces every single ground mon to either risk giving me a free switch with a ground move, or risk getting hit by a quark drive hands or specs alolachu

[craggy atlas]

chad team tbh

[viscid willow]

https://pokepast.es/15e33d81c9e862cb

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[viscid willow]

anything I should change here

Maybe Corv needs Defog

[spiral fable]

This team is frankly unviable

You seem to have gone for a stall team but then didnt dedicate fully to it? I don't understand why Lando and Gholdengo are here

[viscid willow]

I was struggling to think of a good last 2

[spiral fable]

If you want to run stall, you need to run hard stall

[viscid willow]

Glowking maybe?

Idk what else

[spiral fable]

Nah gking aint good on stall

Here's an example of a good stall team

https://pokepast.es/87265e403cbedfb9

Every stall team needs Dozo + a knock absorber

Landorus definitley doesn't fit on stall, neither does gholdengo

If you want a good resource to start learning stall, ladder with the team i sent and read up on this

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyxTn31r5Xg5hB3-3UE7CKWXHj07utOWT7vTBdBNQI8/edit#heading=h.8q14esh4hif

It's a list of all the stall sets put together by the best stall players

[viscid willow]

https://pokepast.es/d129f94fce09db0a

[spiral fable]

I would heavily discourage building stall for now though, it's by far the hardest playstyle to build

[viscid willow]

ah

ty

[spiral fable]

Yeah, unfortunately stall this gen is heavily restrictive

Too many threats to account for

[shy garden]

Stall is very nearly set in stone

maybe idk

7 mon to choose from?

8?

I guess we can be technical and say yes you have 10 or 12 to choose from but most every single stall has dondozo for instance. If you dont have him you arent as functonal, theres no argument

Id argue if you dont have him you might as well not do stall

[spiral fable]

No

There’s still room for a lot of variation

[shy garden]

I feel like you need the same 3 or 4 mons on most teams that are considered stall no?

I mean not to the same extent as Dondozo

[spiral fable]

I mean sure you always will stack Blissey Dozo Gliscor

But from there the other three can be pretty variable

Pex is seeing a resurgence in stall, Talonflame teams still see success

Cyclizar stall was revamped

The infamous muk stall

Clef is popping back up to beat Gliscor

[shy garden]

Wait really? Cyclizar?

I did see the G Weezing Stall I suppose

Do you happen to have a pokepaste for Cyclizar Stall?

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/869344da1e3ec23a

[quick ether]

https://pokepast.es/c503a03005b07b74
how's this for a volt turn spam team? i'm wondering if there's any big threats i forgot to think of that could run over this

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/744541045074ce70
how can i make this oger-c sand team better?

[celest hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/2f43941fc1ec7a23 thoughts? considering running tera psycic with psyshock on pory to beat blisseys over t bolt (u would be surprised how good pz can be as a anti lead)

[spiral fable]

I’m ngl I don’t see the vision

This team doesn’t seem to be very synergistic, its defensive core is extremely frail and water absorb clod is a noob trap

You only have two offensive mons, one of which is P-z and the other is Cinderace

You “hazard stack” but then your main way of removing hazards is defog + you have no way of stopping opposing hazard removal

It just doesn’t work

[spiral fable]

I would recommend scrapping the team unfortunately, the offensive core isn’t very strong while the defensive core cannot withstand much

[celest hamlet]

ye this is just a copy and paste of nat dex team but instead of samu its mega sharpedo

granted havent tried it cuz showdown hasnt been up

[spiral fable]

…ok so why did you take an unreliable natdex team and then post it here

[celest hamlet]

the team is pretty reliable for me

i reached 1800s with it

[spiral fable]

I’m ngl that’s not saying a whole lot considering the player base of natdex

[celest hamlet]

eh ig

[spiral fable]

Furthermore, this is not natdex, this is ou, with a vastly different metagame

You cannot import teams from one to another without making massive changes

[celest hamlet]

ye ik im just tryna find something to use over hisui samu

[spiral fable]

Please do not do this again as it just wastes time

[celest hamlet]

👍

[spiral fable]

Legitimate question, how do you stop your team from thudding hard into Wellspring or Zamazenta

Like one Tera and you kinda can't do much

[shy garden]

appreciate it

[spiral fable]

Sand unfortunately just is not a very good archetype in OU, especially with the dominance of Zamazenta and the ever prevelant Wellspring. You don't have a lot of strong special attackers while your physical attackers will all thud into the bulky waters of the tier/lando/tusk

I wish I had better suggestions for this team other than "it doesn't work" but... that's kinda the only advice I have

[frail gazelle]

Yep

[stone onyx]

yea testing i had problems w the two, i had tera dragon on corv to be more safe but that isnt enough

[shy garden]

@spiral fable may I DM you for your opinion on a gimmicky set that might actually be a bit fun? It has no place in this chat

[spiral fable]

uh ok

[indigo rune]

So I found a very old team I made from Pokémon Showdown that I considered now lost but I somehow have the screenshot of it. I don't think they are as good as I remember them

[ruby crest]

Indeed this looks something. Made day 1 of the tier

[spiral fable]

I mean yeah it’s an old team, idk what you want us to say

[indigo rune]

Well, any issues? Anything I should replace?

[spiral fable]

everything

Frankly, everything

This team is unviable, it was made at the beginning of the tier and it honestly wasn't that good even then

Now, it's just entirely outdated and unviable

[indigo rune]

Well, I got no options at the moment. So I wouldn't know what to do now

I love Skeledirge though, and I want him to still be viable. I heard that Clefable and Skarmory are viable teammates

[indigo rune]

https://pokepast.es/d19f2827c5250e0e

So I made an update to see if this makes things better. Only problem is, I can't decide on the 6th pokemon to fit in this team

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[sly mauve]

they only rate full teams here

[dusky kindle]

Yeah try #comp-general

A reminder that if you haven't tested a team yet then our advice probably won't be worth much since you don't know how it plays

Obviously servers are down but ye only so much we can say

[upper maple]

But the servers aren't down

[dusky kindle]

I'm not sure you need assault vest primarina with glowking also on the team, you could go for something like boots for some more longevity or even like custap for that one time fast strong hit. Really useful for revenge killing late game and stopping things that would otherwise 2hko, like great tusk hlr.

Honestly think future sight doesn't help much since you don't have a very sturdy gambit switch in, I would drop that in favour of maybe fire blast or just twave. You will have to play around gambit but you never want to give him a free switch in cause then something is just dying

[upper maple]

Or am I wrong

[dusky kindle]

They just crashed again

So they are up but not reliable

[quick ether]

makes sense, thanks a lot

I was actually considering cutting primarina entirely for something like a lando-t or a physically defensive pivot like corvi, cuz I later noticed that I don't have a good physical wall on the team, you think that'd be a good idea?

[sage flicker]

Personally I'll switch draga with Lando & rilla by gambit. Also, I recommand bulky cinderace with wow instead this one and offensif cm prim with sub. You can also play Valiant on prim like the sample.

@quick ether

[dusky kindle]

A simpler switch might be moltres over cinderace and just commit to boot spam

[quick ether]

moltres over cinder is interesting, i like the idea, but at that point i might just wanna cut specs kyurem right? it's only gonna come in like 1-2 times at most if i'm not gonna have any hazard control

[shy kayak]

https://pokepast.es/1149db5e30693484 uh i just use other rmts most of the time but ive gotten bored and since Showdown i built this how good is it

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[spiral fable]

this just feels lost

[shy kayak]

dont mind the dengo spread i copied it from webs team ima change it

ah

[spiral fable]

what are you going for here? hyper offense?

why do you have a scarf hamurott here

why do you have booster attack tusk

[shy kayak]

break team with it

scarf samu for fast knock offs

and revenge kills

and ofc ceasless edge

atk booster tusk is just good it might even sweep after a rapid spin with hazards

[spiral fable]

yeah im ngl they just dont work together

atk booster tusk isnt good, its a 1 time boost on a mon that wants to come in together often, especally if you're not running bulk up

[shy kayak]

hm so boots?

[spiral fable]

no

if you want to run ho that's fine but run sash lead hamurott

drop gholdengo drop landorus

ghold is too slow for spikes ho + you have better breakers

honestly im not a fan of moth but that's up to you ig

[shy kayak]

https://pokepast.es/b4d85beb3957963d

[spiral fable]

drop tusk

[shy kayak]

moth was there to absorb fairy attacks

[spiral fable]

tusk doesn't work here

[spiral fable]

you dont really need a defensive core on ho

[shy kayak]

yeh but what am i gonna do about scarf enam as it 6-0s my team

and 2 sashes dont see great

[spiral fable]

you can just run a mon that doesn't die in one shot?

[shy kayak]

do i change krai set?

[spiral fable]

swap darkrai to expert belt as you have no way to deny hazards

[shy kayak]

done

[spiral fable]

swap on bulky kingambit and ddance roaring moon

And then last slot is kinda up to you just pick any setup sweeper like zama cm/sd val bulk up tusk etc etc

[shy kayak]

https://pokepast.es/c774525392b3b92c this is the final result

[shy kayak]

do i destiny bond or psyshock on iron valiant

[ruby crest]

Psyshock

Also this should be taunt moon tbh

[lament flare]

this is my first team i’ve made and i’d like to keep prim and meow, is there anything i should improve? https://pokepast.es/4f6df0f0b8967671

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[spiral fable]

Frankly meow just sucks

[wise knot]

I really disagree

I'll come up with a rate in a sec

[spiral fable]

I am the number 2 meow hater

[brisk cedar]

I am #1...

[wise knot]

https://pokepast.es/819f8f763d3587cb here's a version with the same shell @lament flare

I strongly dislike specs pult and also having meow as your only ghost resist wasnt going to work

I changed some spreads + moves and added gambit for ghost resist and fat MU

I like scarf meow + specs volcanion more as a core

so if you want to keep building with meow try that

and keep in mind you need a secondary ghost resist

[dusky kindle]

I am number 3

[lament flare]

okay thanks also what does

[lament flare]

fat mu mean

[wise knot]

matchup against bulkier teams

[lament flare]

thanks, also i don’t know if i can build with volcanion because i dont have it

[wise knot]

that's not how showdown works

are you playing in game?

[lament flare]

yeah

i was just using showdown before i commit making it

[spiral fable]

OU meta is vastly different from BSS or even cart 6v6, unless you’re playing someone else who agreed to the same ruleset

[lament flare]

what’s cart 66

[spiral fable]

Playing 6v6 on cart

[tender pecan]

6v6 on cartridge

which doesn't have a set ruleset like OU

[lament flare]

so you just select 6 pokemon and fight?

[tender pecan]

yeah sorta

it has no ruleset

BSS does but its not the same format

its a bring 6 pick 3

[lament flare]

doesn’t BsS have item clause?

[tender pecan]

yeah it does

I think

it does ye

[lament flare]

wait bss is in scarlet right

the ranked mode?

[spiral fable]

Yes, and further questions should be taken to #comp-general

[quick ether]

how's this for a screens HO team? any obvious weaknesses I missed?
https://pokepast.es/6bd4f3c2eb1001cb

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[frail gazelle]

Why vacuum wave valiant?

[quick ether]

felt like the prio could be good, wasn't entirely sure what to put on that move slot - encore maybe?

[frail gazelle]

Encore is better yea, you can also run psyshock instead

[quick ether]

i also considered switching either val or latias for something like a cm raging bolt

[frail gazelle]

However there’s a Pult set that can be really annoying to your team

Sash hex wisp twave

[quick ether]

yeah that one really blows

i also just lost several games to lucha, it's faster than everything and can just encore me on the setup which is super annoying

[frail gazelle]

I’m thinking of Dnite on your team but idk how to fit it

[quick ether]

i also thought of that yeah

i'm also not sure what to cut for it, but it could definitely make it in somehow

[spiral fable]

Psyshock over vacuum wave on Val

Also think Id zama would be better than waterpon but up to you

Waterpon is better breaker zama is better into offense

[quick ether]

makes sense, i'll try zama

also considering grimm over deoxys for a lead

[ruby crest]

Deoxys is honestly better even tho I think screens ho are a bit weak rn

[quick ether]

is it really better? i like prankster and parting shot a lot but tbh i HAVE been seeing dark mons everywhere lately so i guess can see how deoxys is just better rn

[ruby crest]

That at least Deoxys also has some type of offensive presence in doing something

but screens ho are just awkward ish rn

[quick ether]

what's making it less good rn? is hazard stacking with something like a sash samu or glim just better?

[ruby crest]

Usually is better and also the popularity of roar zama just denies a lot of set up opportunities befusss u try to take advantage of screens

And zama just roars

[quick ether]

that's fair, i do have taunt roaring moon but it's still not great to deal with ig

[ruby crest]

doesn’t help that zama already gives most offensive teams issue

[quick ether]

i could maybe run a dedicated zama answer over one of my other sweepers

if it's gonna be that much of a pain

i'm not sure what would fit that profile and still be good on ho though

[spiral fable]

I mean Val is already a zama answer

[quick ether]

fair

i'm wondering if a similar team with a hazard lead instead of screens might work better

[spiral fable]

For the most part, yeah

[quick ether]

could even just leave the deoxys there and swap screens for spikes/sr and give it a sash

if i'm not gonna go screens though, latias feels a bit too slow. maybe i could run something that either spinblocks or threatens spinners/defoggers over latias to help keep hazards up

gholdengo maybe?

[spiral fable]

You don’t really need a spin blocker

It’s better to just… run another offensive sweeper lol

[quick ether]

fair enough
ig instead of latias i could run like, hatterene or raging bolt?

[spiral fable]

Hatt imo

Better matchup into stall + more utility

[quick ether]

makes sense. i was looking at raging bolt mainly cuz hawlucha was giving me a lot of trouble earlier when i was laddering with the team lol

one thing i don't like about running hatt is that i'm seeing some overlap between it and val in terms of coverage and they're my only special sweepers, but i'm not sure how much that matters

[spiral fable]

As long as you have ways to hit the mons you want the special attackers to hit, it’s fine

[quick ether]

got it

[spiral fable]

Also calm mind stored power has a funny way of not really caring about type overlap

[quick ether]

lol, also makes sense
though tbh i was thinking psyshock on hatt, but ig stored power is better against stuff like unaware walls

[spiral fable]

Psyshock and stored power are both valid

Up to you

You can honestly experiment dropping a mon (not hatt) for Waterpon to really mess with stall but that’s up to you

[quick ether]

hmm, if i were to drop something for pon it'd probably be either zenta or val

but i'm ngl, from my laddering with the initial team pon wasn't even doing that much

(i guess that's because i didn't fight stall even once lol)

[spiral fable]

Yeah pon on ho isn’t that impressive

It’s really just for breaking stall in two once you get them to Tera on something not named dozo

[quick ether]

from my experience taunt roaring moon plus tera dark glasses gambit usually breaks through the regular stall walls more or less consistently if you play around them carefully

taunt moon always seems to be hell for stall because taunt, and glasses tera dark gambit hits so fucking hard he doesn't understand what the word "wall" means

so if pon is just for stall, i prolly don't need it, especially when i also have hatt

https://pokepast.es/b262b0e2af64e93f
this is what it's looking like after the changes, does that look better?

[ruby crest]

Make this roar zama

[quick ether]

roar over what?

[ruby crest]

Slam

Actually

Crunch here

[quick ether]

fair enough

alright i'll try that one out, ty for all the help

[spiral fable]

Sticky barb is rising in usage to completely shut down roaring moon

[quick ether]

on clef right? yeah i've heard about that, that's pretty troublesome indeed, but i haven't really played against it yet so i'm not sure if it's manageable with the team as it is

[slim tusk]

https://pokepast.es/ea21b9f109173c36
Rate my team please

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[hidden crescent]

is tork solar beam viable?

without it my team just loses to curse dozo

[ruby crest]

It’s probably usable tho at the same tork already wants like a couple of moves like plume rocks bpress and spin in sun, tho fwiw these type of questions are better to ask in #comp-general

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/dd71e904e8a00c70

altaria stall, help is appreciated

[spiral fable]

reuniclus isn't viable on stall

honestly, alteria doesn't really do much either

it just doesn't offer anything useful: if you want a bulky burn spreader mola is right there

[spiral fable]

the issue with slotting these mons on stall is that they have to offer something that other stall mons dont

and frankly, reuniclus and altaria don't have anything stall wnat

[stone onyx]

i like alt for being faster than gambit for a quick wisp, status absorber, and woger check

i understand your reun reasoning tho

i didnt know who else to put for kyu

[spiral fable]

???

just... use blissey

[stone onyx]

i keep seeing never melt ice sets going around

mixed beats it

[spiral fable]

also alteria is not a check to ogerpon

+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 172+ Def Altaria: 370-436 (104.5 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[spiral fable]

what moveset is mixed?

[stone onyx]

kyu

dd spear freeze dry ep

but reun doest do too good against that either tbf

[spiral fable]

tera fighting/fairy dozo/tera mola are probably your best bets there

[stone onyx]

yea fair

[spiral fable]

alteria just doesnt offer enough to be worth a slot over a knock absorber/standard stall mon like mola

its a shaky check at best to waterpon which loses if watepron swords dances on the switch/comes in on the roost

you dont need a kingambit check with you have tera fighting dozo + mola + gliscor

and flamethrower aint a special move that stall really need

[velvet spoke]

How would you update this to the current meta? I really like mana and latias but not sure they're viable anymore https://pokepast.es/e9d59fc35b7488ac

[spiral fable]

Drop chomp infernape blaziken grimmsnarl

Honestly I would drop manaphy as well

It gets hard shut down by Waterpon on non-webs teams

And the previous 4 I mentioned just aren’t viable: chomp is far outclassed by the dragons like rmoon or dnite, blaziken and infernape are too frail while struggling hard into the fat waters of the tier and not hitting hard either, and grimmsnarl is outclassed as a screens setter by deo s and atales

[velvet spoke]

true do you got replacement ideas for the 2 fire

[spiral fable]

Rmoon/Gambit/Zamazenta

[elfin jungle]

https://pokepast.es/a047b01aee69e0a0

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[elfin jungle]

I've tried ddance kyruem, setup valiant, and booster moth already and like current setup more

ddance kyruem isn't necessary as there's already 2 powerful physical setups

I want immediate power with valiant (only banded cc can 2 hit phys def dozo), you also get knock chances and moonblast is a mix up for phys walls

it does like 40 usually

and scarf moth is better than booster moth bc It can switch in multiple times (deo speed and zama), force a pivot while gaining tempo, and fake boots tera ground until you take a kill

also I'm considering lefties and/or rocks for tusk bc I don't use the bu set very often and I more use it for spin

[frail gazelle]

Idk man looks solid but it’s shut down so hard by sash Pult

Sash Pult can cripple all of your attackers except for maybe scarf moth

[elfin jungle]

Never faced it b4

Is it phys kr special

[frail gazelle]

It’s sash, will-o-wisp, twave, hex and dragon darts/draco meteor

[elfin jungle]

Wouldn't speed tusk beat 2 hit that?

I don't usually care about wisp on tusk

[frail gazelle]

It can survive tusk with sash and will-o-wisp it and switch out to cripple another attacker again

[elfin jungle]

Again I'm thinking abt rocks on tusk

[frail gazelle]

Yea maybe

[elfin jungle]

Other guy said ho doesn't need hazards

[frail gazelle]

Maybe you should accept a loss against sash Pult

Or run Kyurem which beats sash Pult

[elfin jungle]

Also once the Sash is off I'm fine

Kyurem just gets crippled too no?

[frail gazelle]

Not necessarily. It can come in again after a sacrifice to cripple Kingambit or Waterpon before dying

[frail gazelle]

Outspeeds with DD and multi hit breaks sash

[elfin jungle]

Honestly I'd accept the status on ninetails and scare it out every time

[frail gazelle]

Aight. But Kyurem also works really well with A9 because of its really high bulk under veil

[elfin jungle]

What do I replace

Cause when I try it it doesn't get nearly enough value than oger or gambit

[frail gazelle]

Kyurem can replace valiant ig

[elfin jungle]

What do I use to knock everything then

Valiant is really useful

Again banded cc is disgusting, 2 hits the unaware phys def wall

Which sets up for my 2 phys setups

[frail gazelle]

Maybe it can also replace moth too if you can rely on sucker punch for speed

[elfin jungle]

I rarely switch gambit until endgame

[frail gazelle]

Though against the unaware guys encore A9 can work

[frail gazelle]

It can revenge kill smth and switch out

[elfin jungle]

Wdym

You switch in gambit then they switch out

[frail gazelle]

Idk

Maybe replace valiant and use encore A9 against unaware guys

Though if the team is working really well for you then just use it without any changes

[elfin jungle]

Don't they just recover then switch?

Recover past encore

[frail gazelle]

Alternatively encore waterpon

[elfin jungle]

Over knock?

[frail gazelle]

Encore cudgel whip sd

You lose coverage but can annoy more mons

[elfin jungle]

I mainly chose knock to hit their answer to ogre

Also it hits pult really well

If I'm behind veil I just setup to +6 with burn

[frail gazelle]

Oger hits like a truck even if it’s resisted

[frail gazelle]

Sash pult? That will twave you instead

[elfin jungle]

If it's twave then tusk beats it

[frail gazelle]

It’s weird but sash Pult has BOTH wisp and twave

[elfin jungle]

Oh I see

That's a hella annoying mon

Gonna be honest

[frail gazelle]

Ye

[elfin jungle]

What do i do if I had kyurem

But it just switches in regularly

Can't go kyreum bc in really scared of wisp

Do I replace tusk with treads?

Then go for the offensive rocks beam set

[frail gazelle]

If it’s sash it will cripple you and switch out, sacrifice your mon and send in Kyurem

If it stays in it only cripples one mon

[elfin jungle]

It just wisps kyreum first turn?

To beat pult with kyurem you gotta be +1 before it's in

So why would they go pult instead of another mon in the first place

Also I remember games against pult

I usually just let a mon get status and went moth everytime

Preferably switching to multiple mons to get a wisp turn on moth

Then I can gain tempo with u turn or take a mon with overheat

[spiral fable]

Do not run choiced mons on ho

[elfin jungle]

Why not

[spiral fable]

They’re easy to play around and offer little

You want speed control? Val

You want power? Rmoon

You aren’t supposed to be switching around often anyways

[elfin jungle]

So you go Val, they switch to a counter, and you just sac val?

[spiral fable]

Your goal should be to use the turns of screens to the best of your advantage, and switching/locking into choice is not that

[spiral fable]

You force out the faster threat and then bring in a mon that can set up on the counter

[elfin jungle]

Then all they gotta do is bring in a mon for that one not considering it's the same counter to val?

You don't gotta be faster to get rid of booster Val right?

You only get 1 chance for booster which is why I don't like it

[spiral fable]

Choiced mons are easy to play around and offer your opponent a chance to recover/remove/lay hazards

[elfin jungle]

And if you can't win without bringing in that mon to scare out another then you lost your boost after they switch to a counter

[spiral fable]

The thing about HO is that they stack threats that share checks/counters

And overwhelm them

[elfin jungle]

With protect or smth?

[elfin jungle]

Also how do opponents play around multiple options

Like band cc knock for example

It's just a 50/50 mind game from both sides that can be repeated as many times as the choiced user can bring that mon in

[spiral fable]

They just switch in gliscor

Or dondozo

Or primarina

[elfin jungle]

Band cc 2 hits dozo

And I got ice punch on that set too

[spiral fable]

Then they bring in primarina

Look, there’s a reason choiced mons are never seen on HO now

[elfin jungle]

For prim I can moonblast chip or switch

[spiral fable]

And it’s not because the HO players just forgot about them

[elfin jungle]

I'm actually trying to learn here

The difference I'm seeing between choice and setup is immediate v gradual tempo

[ruby crest]

there’s a few exceptions in where choice items are good in ho, tho usually scarfer not necessarily common or ideal

Tho fwiw

u wouldn’t go screens in this team

[elfin jungle]

What do I replace then

Screens are usually for ogre only and help me to hardswitch moth/val a few more times

[spiral fable]

You shouldn’t be hard switching much on HO

[ruby crest]

a hazard lead setter like glimmora or another Mon that would fit with the structure

[sick tulip]

https://pokepast.es/a67f917314758179

suggestions?

i cant decide to use gholdengo or kingambit

[frail gazelle]

Your team is mismatched, I would say

Lead DoS is only for HO but zapdos is for bulkier teams

Also you don’t have good power aside from volcanion, HO teams in this tier just sac&attack

[sick tulip]

DoS has been my go to hazard lead for choice, but i can switch to gliscor or glimmora

[frail gazelle]

Gliscor and landorus therian shouldn’t be used together

[sick tulip]

also what about gholdengo or kingambit

[frail gazelle]

Just ditch Deoxys speed

Id say kingambit

Also what is that scizor set

[sick tulip]

an ou set

i found on smogon

[frail gazelle]

That scizor set needs support from like great tusk rapid spin

Also it has swords dance over u turn

SD bullet punch close combat knock off

[sick tulip]

why not u turn

[frail gazelle]

U-Turn with life orb is bad since you get worn down quickly

Use choice band if you want u-turn scizor

[sick tulip]

ok

so what should i do about the hazard lead

i chose deo speed to counter glimmoras

[frail gazelle]

Use Lando t to counter glimmoras

Fast Lando t can use taunt before glimmora

[reef bay]

can someone look over this team? this team is pretty good most of the time but i still feels something is wrong about this
https://pokepast.es/e19467dba9eaea56

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[spiral fable]

This is the OU channel, go to VGC rates

[narrow cipher]

Oh my fault I'm sorry.

Ahh

[spiral fable]

This team is pretty mismatched, why do you have heatran on a non gterrain team, sash hamurott on a non HO team, and boots weavile on what seems to be bulky offense

[wise knot]

heatran can easily slot on non-gterrain teams

[spiral fable]

Heatran can not

Second biggest fraud behind meow

[wise knot]

then tell me why I got 2k with 2 different heatran teams?

[spiral fable]

(Also it’s still pretty out of place here)

[spiral fable]

Because you’re running gterrain, duh

[wise knot]

neither were gterrain

2 diff heatran sets too

it's a very good mon rn

[spiral fable]

Propaganda by Big Generation 4

[wise knot]

like I agree the team is mismatched but I'd just like change samu's item+ swap weav + lando

tran is great

[spiral fable]

Seriously though I’m really not a fan of heatran outside of gterrain if you want a bulky specially defensive mon that can dish out a punch and cripple bulky mons… just use prim

[wise knot]

just use prim is crazy

they're completely different mons

and you use physdef on flamebody tran

[spiral fable]

That’s a spdef heatran with a gterrain set

[wise knot]

tf do you mean gterrain set

only reason tran + rilla was a core

was because of volc

because tran forced tera

and rilla revenged

now tran is free to run fbody

and it's so much better

you have no idea what you're talking abt

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/72aeadc26d484b02 hi this team has problems with kyurem glowking works as a band aid solution at best what can ı do to have a better matchup against kyurem

[spiral fable]

Is that ghold set evd for something specific or

[wise knot]

it's a stresh set

[spiral fable]

Interesting

[wise knot]

that I popularized on my double seed team from oupl

[gentle venture]

to be honest its not mine ı did steal it from a paste but its bulk works tho

[wise knot]

I think your big kyu issues come from stacking weaknesses. It's very rare that I find a reason to run both tusk and lando on one team

I'll make some edits and explain them in a sec

[gentle venture]

to my defence ı wanted to run a hazard stack team with terrain great tusk is not necessary tbh but not having rapid spin fells wrong

[wise knot]

ok so the problem I'm running into is that the team is just too slow for an offense

even with rilla

so I might make samu scarf even though I like av as a ghost resist

[gentle venture]

ı mean ım running hazard stack maybe webs could help ?

[wise knot]

hazard stack and webs are two different archetypes

[reef bay]

so i added rillaboom for gterrain so it can pair better with heatran, remove landorus with great tusk for a bulkier option and hazards removal, and added kingambit and zapdos to cover other weaknesses and deal supper effective damage. what do you think? https://pokepast.es/ac705b23fcf9cc68

[wise knot]

https://pokepast.es/7531d4273f08a100 ok so here's the minimal changes version. I made tusk rocks offensive bc you don't want such a momentum sink tusk here. samu takes scarf duty and then you need a secondary ghost resist because samu is flimsy. gambit fits the bill because it also helps with kyu + stall.

[wise knot]

you didn't need to add rilla

[gentle venture]

thx for the advice

[gentle venture]

btw since that ghold spread belongs to you what does is survive with that EV spread

[wise knot]

I forget tbh. 8 modest is for killing dragapult then I think it's special bulk for a dragapult hit and rest in phys bulk for seed

[gentle venture]

thanks again its just that you dont see that kind of spreads in singles so ı was kinda curious

[reef bay]

still viable, isn't it

but are there any pokemon you recommend to replace it?

[wise knot]

I liked the direction you had before with sinistcha + heatran + av prim

I will make an edit to that

https://pokepast.es/b00598415f7053d2 @reef bay biggest issue here is landorus but shouldn't be bad overall

[reef bay]

do i really need will-o-wisp on heatran? it already have flame body

im thinking of replace that with flash cannon since the team is lacking move to counter fairy type pokemons

[spiral fable]

I mean no fairy is really going to like eating magma storm + you have Gking for primarina

[upper maple]

You already have super effective moves against alot of the fairies

[finite plinth]

https://pokepast.es/5e25883c846843a6

Kind of a whacky team, itsmy first time playing sv ou in a while. Is it any good?

[spiral fable]

Unfortunately, no

[finite plinth]

Yeah, figured as much lmfao

[spiral fable]

Light clay serp isn’t good, Blissey only fits on stall teams (and that set is bad), blaziken isn’t good, and the rest of the sets have some issues as well

[finite plinth]

I wanted to use blaziken and made this around it

[spiral fable]

I would recommend just sticking to a sample team for now to learn the meta game again first before building

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[finite plinth]

Just picked some from the strategy dex lmao

[spiral fable]

None of these sets are on the strategy set

[finite plinth]

Yeah this was stapled together in like 5 mins by someone who's pretty much brand new, wasnt expecting to get very far with it

[finite plinth]

I think i modified them a bit

[spiral fable]

I wouldn’t recommend that

Strategy dex sets are already optimized

[finite plinth]

Aight, which team you think is best for a begginer?

[spiral fable]

(For the most part)

[spiral fable]

The Dark Spam HO

[finite plinth]

Does it have any "crutches" or creates bad habits i should be aware of, or is it representative of the meta?

[spiral fable]

Uh, not really?

Ig besides the crutch that spamming HO might make you impatient when playing slower teams but that can easily be adapted

[finite plinth]

Ah fair enough

Thanks mate, i'll be back when i learn to actually play and want to make a half decent team lol

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/7d15d6691358f170

[sour karma]

https://pokepast.es/b3385e4b19647e4e

any tips on this team? mods etc

[spiral fable]

Most of these sets need to be changed, manual weather setters are pretty bad in current OU + torkoal is usually good enough, and blissey + tornadus don’t fit on Sun

[spiral fable]

Swap torkoal to a phys def set, drop flamethrower for lava plume and earth power for will o wisp
Drop solar beam for giga drain and Tera blast for growth + make venusaur Tera ground
Swap blissey for Choice Specs Walking Wake (use the speed booster set on its smogon strategy page)
Change Roaring Moon to a banded booster attack set, use its smogon set
Offensive Gouging is fine but change Tera Dark to Tera Fire
Swap Tornadus for Eject Buttoon hatterene with healing wish

If you don’t know what a smogon strategy page is, here’s an example for wake

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/walking-wake/

[ruby crest]

Baxcalibur and volcarona are banned and lucario is not viable in ou

[spiral fable]

guys at least verify the team before posting it here

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/c604bdf06dc5282e

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[hidden crescent]

https://pokepast.es/6aae5c83fec6b84f got some advice from here and the chatroom, any other tips?

[tropic ice]

It's been a while, but I tried making an OU team: https://pokepast.es/ec2ee44e307d4822

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[hidden crescent]

I'm no expert, but Outrage is not that consistent in my experience and you should run EQ on Lando instead of Earth Power. Lando-I runs it because it's special, but Therian has some massive attack stat.

[reef bay]

From my point of view, this team is pretty solid. Good sun sweepers, have hazard removal and a late game sweeper kingambit. The only thing i want to change here is hatterene since you have already had great tusk to remove hazard

[hidden crescent]

@reef bay What would you recommend I switch it for?

Maybe Bolt because I kinda just lose vs Rest Dozo

[reef bay]

I think enarmorus would fit best because it immune to dragon type which is your biggest weakness

But other fairy type pokemon work as well

[spiral fable]

Keep hatt

This team is pretty solid, just change the hatterene evs to its sample set (unless you have it evd for something specific, in which case what is the benchmark?)

Also make wake Tera water

If you want more power, you can drop Tusk for HLilligant, or Banded Rmoon

(You can also drop Gouging instead but I would recommend Tusk)

[spiral fable]

Earth power Lando is the preferred move for hitting threats like Zamazenta

[spiral fable]

This team struggles really hard to break any physically defensive mon and loses to Zamazenta hard

[tropic ice]

Swap to specs pult?

[spiral fable]

I’m really not a fan of Banded Rmoon outside of Sun: without the boost from proto rmoon just isn’t as threatening

[spiral fable]

Nah, hex pult

[hidden crescent]

I've changed it to the set from this sample someone sent me in the chatroom

https://pokepast.es/708aee8e83414700

[spiral fable]

Ok but why

Is it evd for some benchmark specifically?

[candid fog]

Hits 130 speed

Not sure if anything runs 129

[hidden crescent]

Don't know, they just told me to kinda build around it

[tropic ice]

ddance?

[spiral fable]

130 doesn’t hit anything, at least anything listed on the speed tier

[spiral fable]

I’m debating dropping rmoon entirely

[candid fog]

Yeah and its particularly weird because 130 speed is uninvested 47s

So you're creeping uninvested 46.5s

Which do not exist

LOL

[spiral fable]

Don’t trust everyone in the chat room

Go back to the sample set for hatt

[hidden crescent]

Ok

[hidden crescent]

I'd rather drop gouging, tusk's coverage is really good

[spiral fable]

It’s up to you

If you are going to drop gouging I would make tusk bulk up speed booster

[hidden crescent]

Wait did you just tell me to use a NUBL mon over an OU staple

[spiral fable]

…yes because it’s a sun mon

[hidden crescent]

I'd rather not rely on Setup but just pivot with Tusk

[spiral fable]

Well you’re not pivoting with tusk since it has no pivot moves

Not relying on setup is fine but you should at least have 1-2 sun setup sweepers

[hidden crescent]

well I'll just do sd lilligant-h

[ruby crest]

Why not use victory dance

[spiral fable]

You already outspeed most everything

[ruby crest]

outspeed more stuff !

[spiral fable]

(You hit like 618 with neutral speed 678 with positive speed under chlorophyll)

[hidden crescent]

that's faster than max speed deoxys speed

[spiral fable]

Yes

[spiral fable]

I would drop rmoon for bulky gambit and switch Pult to a hex set

[tropic ice]

Alright, sounds good

thanks

[spiral fable]

Primarina might be an issue but Gking should be able to keep it in check

[reef bay]

I built a sticky web bulky offense team, any improvement for this?
https://pokepast.es/4ef25a8e952b7202

[ruby crest]

yeah you gotta commit to one thing webs is generally ho not necessarily webs Bo

[reef bay]

So i guess that makes my team ho now?

[ruby crest]

not necessarily

You don’t have any mons that compliment webs if anything the team is prob better without the ribombee

[candid fog]

You can choose between webs or bo yeah

Non-webs bo is closer to what you currently have

(Basically what Tyson said but different words)

[upper maple]

Bump

[turbid tangle]

could go terra poison to better wall rillaboom and glimmora

on great tusk

a will o wisp or thunderwave on dragapult too

[ruby crest]

I got this team when I get back home

[turbid tangle]

are my comments onto anything? asking you since i have much less experience

i just use a similar-ish team and put out my recs

mine
https://pokepast.es/b7255a1743082262

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[ruby crest]

honestly this is not bad for a grassy terrain offense, great tusk and zama in the same team is honestly a bit rebudant and would like to keep zama here and change tusk for a grassy seed hatt, idk why ur runninh stone edge on tran since volc is gone now taunt is better hell even protect is a good option to scout moves and get exra recovery in terrain, i would av crown for a pivoting oger-c makes good use of g terrain itself and good at opening up wholes for the team, lasty make this hex boots pult, https://pokepast.es/9946e661250566e3

if you want u can do spikes > taunt on ogerpon-c and taunt > tect on tran

[turbid tangle]

thanks, feeling like i'm understanding new meta a lot better now

still a bit worried about opposing rillabooms but ah

ogerpon-c is a better choice

[ruby crest]

are u cool with this being a diff prim set cause i honestly think u want something else that will compliment ur team better with the changes i have in mind

[ruby crest]

yeah i wanted to make this flame body tran since it also helps vs weavile and meow, but flash fire and spdef tran helps vs stuff like raging bolt, iron moth, and ival

[brisk cedar]

[ruby crest]

its not specs veti...

[turbid tangle]

good prima i've gotten use of (low ladder) is leftovers and liquid voice w/ cm, psychic noise, draining kiss, substitute bold nature

was replaced by dragapult on above team

idk how well that worked with my whole rillaboom and zama team. had no answer to ghost and psychic

[pearl crypt]

https://pokepast.es/ac5befca17a7b284

I've been enjoying using this, and was wondering if there were any tweaks or improvements people would recommend?

[upper maple]

That's fine

[lyric ice]

https://pokepast.es/5ba4c6534323fadb any feedback , i wanted to make a hex spam team

[kind trail]

https://pokepast.es/c4a29408bf9253f2

thoughts on this hyper offensive team? iron moth / gouging fire core

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[upper maple]

Why do you have EQ on gfire with grassy terrain

Also you should probably change Tusk to bulk up

[kind trail]

hmm true ty ty

[reef bay]

https://pokepast.es/87994cb5ae162c34
Any feed back for this team? Stacking hazzard and force switch

[serene light]

https://pokepast.es/47c248be4c42e27f

I could really use some feedback for this team

[upper maple]

Scarf blissey?

[delicate plaza]

hey guys, any feedback on this sun team?
https://pokepast.es/39125c32f7133c3b

[upper maple]

@ruby crest Hey, what were the changes to my team you were talking about?

[spiral fable]

This team doesn’t work

You have webs but then Boots ribombee?

Scarf Blissey is completely unviable, Gliscor doesn’t fit on HO, and pivot Latios doesn’t fit either (and frankly isn’t very good in OU at all)

I would recommend you run a sample team now to learn the meta game and common mons used on HO

Here’s a good webs sample: https://pokepast.es/308ddd8e8592ce66

[spiral fable]

I would make moon Booster attack and HLilligsnt SD over Tera Blast, maybe an offensive Tera like Ground for Tusk, but other than that solid team

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/fdccdc0356210087
Repost

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[ruby crest]

I’m taking care of some stuff and I have it covered

[hybrid haven]

https://pokepast.es/308398fd4cef9dc1}

can i get some help with this team?

dont know if there's any glaring weakness

[upper maple]

Link doesn't work

[hybrid haven]

https://pokepast.es/308398fd4cef9dc1

yea just checked xd

this should

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/9bf452396c66aa0b decided boots spam is a lot better here cause the team loaded poorly vs raging bolt and a bit badly to kyurem, opposing primarina, and wake, with that in mind we made this boots attacker deos so it still does its breaking thing without being prown to hazards and recoil from lo, made this bulky cm primarina still helps checking things like wake but also improves the team mu vs zama, weavile, and gouging fire, since we are making this boots spam i went and made tusk into spdef gliscor with u turn for a effective pivot while setting up spikes, also helps check stuff like raging bolt and iron moth, gambit is now running low kick > ihead just cause gambit mu is a bit tricky now made this tera fire to prevent getting wisped by pult (could honestly do dark ihead low kick if ur up for it), gking replaces pult to better check iron val, enam, another answer to bolt and kyurem, last move can be either twave or toxic see which one you liek more, and lastly we are doing something a bit unorthodox for skarm making this bb with whirlwind this makes it one you dont become dead weight vs ghost so you can pop dengo ballons, and deal chip to pult, but most importantly not make u complete dead weight vs ogerpon-w as it can encore you if u were to id, ww is explantory get ur hazards up and be chipping stuff freely also good at phazing stuff that attempt to take advantage of skarm

[upper maple]

Why 32 SpD on Prim?

[ruby crest]

avoid 2hko from tera water wake under sun clicking hydro steam

[upper maple]

And what about Tera Ghost

[ruby crest]

ghost makes it so ur a pain in the ass vs stall, blissey without sball cant touch you, resist annoying stuff like poison moves, etc

[upper maple]

Alright

[ruby crest]

I would see just be super mindful vs gambit, knock a lot of boots Mon so skarm can ww a lot of stuff

[hybrid haven]

https://pokepast.es/308398fd4cef9dc1 bumping this, do yall think i should replace alomomola with slowking-galar?

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/6ce4478a5c92a656

[sly mauve]

Mm I’d say yes personally

[hybrid haven]

what tera does it usually run?

[sly mauve]

Not too sure, I’d usually use fairy tho

[hybrid haven]

should i run liquidation instead of zen headbutt on iron valiant?

nvm ill run knock off

zen headbutt misses are too infuriating

[sly mauve]

Knock off is an amazing move

[hybrid haven]

i was thinking liquidation for skeledirge

[sly mauve]

Idk what ur tryna hit with zen headbutt or liquidation tbh

[hybrid haven]

but i calc'd and on phys skelly with tera it does like 65%

[sly mauve]

Ohh

Sick

[hybrid haven]

fairy fighting psychic is great coverage

but skeledirge resists all of those

and skeledirge is quite common

[sly mauve]

Fair

True

[hybrid haven]

but, i wouldnt stay in on skeledirge anyway

well, shouldnt

[sly mauve]

If you’ve got rocks up and they don’t have boots

And it’s whittled down a bit

You should be good

[hybrid haven]

thats a lot of ifs XD

[hybrid haven]

should i use a defensive tera on iron vally?

steel specifically

its a sweeper so idk, but it can tank a hit or two

[sly mauve]

I feel like they use lefties more

[sly mauve]

Mm no, I’d say Tera dark so knock off hits harder

• if you do steel, skeledirge could def kill with torch song

[hybrid haven]

HMMM

fire tera?

immunity to willo

[sly mauve]

True

[hybrid haven]

ehhh na just gonna dark, i got skelly answers

[sly mauve]

Fair

I’d go with Tera dark cuz knock off can hit a lot of different things and also counter skelly (sorta)

While Tera fire is only really a counter to skelly and other wil o wisp users

Honestly tho

Wait

Uhh

U have sd on Val right

[hybrid haven]

yes

[sly mauve]

Alr lemme check something real quick

[hybrid haven]

skelly is unaware btw if thats what u were thinking

sd on it doesnt matter

[sly mauve]

+2 252 Atk Iron Valiant Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Moth: 296-348 (98.3 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

I was gonna say Tera steel might be good to avoid sludge wave

But you’re probably fine lmao

Why’d that send twice

Or not??

[hybrid haven]

it didnt

[sly mauve]

My internet is playing up

[hybrid haven]

actually i have a really big webs weakness... damn

[sly mauve]

Rapid spin

[hybrid haven]

no mon that can learn it

lando cant learn defog either

[sly mauve]

Maybe add great tusk over lando

[hybrid haven]

ok just gonna have to pray triple axel hits thrice

cuz removing lando disrupts the entire team

[hybrid haven]

ok yea i got a counter i didnt notice, triple axel scarfarada baits moonblast but outspeeds and 70% chance of OHKO with triple axel

otherwise kills on turn 2 assuming i dont get fd by triple axeuraccy

[sly mauve]

Oh dang

[hybrid haven]

lando is just irreplaceable for this team, ill concede sticky web weakness ig...

[sly mauve]

Maybe add a rapid spinner/defogger over alomomola/glowking then

[hybrid haven]

nah sun teams rampant, snowy reception f's them uppp

[sly mauve]

True

What’s ur team rn?

[hybrid haven]

https://pokepast.es/76783e222764178e

[sly mauve]

Gtg to school but might help later

[hybrid haven]

see u^^

[sly mauve]

Cya :)

[ruby crest]

so a couple of observations one why is lando tera rock with rock slide not even using u turn which is one of the merits of using lando-t

[hybrid haven]

i felt taunt was far more useful to my team

as for the tera

hmm.. not sure, guess i just wanted a strong rock move

[ruby crest]

u want u turn you usually drop rock move cause it doesnt hit anything in particular since whatever in theory walls u, just pivot out for momentum for ur team into something that handles it

u dont need a strong rock move idk why u need one in the first place

[hybrid haven]

...

im pretty sure i did it to ohko moltres with tera

xd

[ruby crest]

seems oddly specific when u already have a mon that can come in on molt fwiw

also u are aware this is timid iron val but ur sd

[hybrid haven]

oop... i missed that

[hybrid haven]

yea raging bolt is p good

plus, stealth rocks

hmm...

but is u turn really correct? i can also run knock off

oh nvm it doesntget that

in this gen

[ruby crest]

theres no knock

hell lando is always running u turn

unless its offensive set up

what does gking spread do?

[hybrid haven]

haphazard spread

i didnt really know what to run but i didnt want it to have a big defensive weakness

although that might be a very bad move

[ruby crest]

i mean running 16 defense gives it a jump to still soft check stuff like zama and have plentiful of bulk into spdef to check what u want

[hybrid haven]

its naturally specially bulky

but if i run say 156 def then i can survive a headlong rush from great tusk

[ruby crest]

thats to risky

espeically since the way u beating it is through fs which it can switch on the turn it about to go off

you also have like other mons that can swith into tusk fwiw

[hybrid haven]

yea lando decimates it

[hybrid haven]

do you need 240 hp to check zama?

im thinking of cutting a lil off of hp and putting it into def to also survive an iron treads eq, about 64

assuming godroll that is

[ruby crest]

to me its not worth it

cause u literally do nothing to it

idk why u are wanting to keep gking vs mons that easily force it out in the first place

[hybrid haven]

ig u right, ill just run the standard 240/16/252 set

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/8ba740684ee77787 alright decided to make this a pivot lando-t set, ep is used a lot more these over eq since it doesnt make u get hard blocked by zama and also hits breaking swipe gouging fire, meow is really only usable in hstack balance and bulky sd gambit fits here a lot more (if wisp pult is a pain to deal with u can make this tera fire), made iron val cm set with psyshock to help vs fat mu, went with raging bolt with specs here to give u a powerful breaker as well as a good volturn core with lando-t, dirge is being replaced here with zama to function as speed control and another breaker,

[spark gazelle]

https://pokepast.es/76bd80ec05625df1

tried my hand at a bulky ofense team, would be really helpfull if you guys helped me find any weaknesses

[hybrid haven]

appreciate it brother 3> sorry for not replying had to go for a lil, deffo gonna test it out today

[ruby crest]

no problemo

[ruby crest]

This is doubles ou this thread focuses on singles ou

[spiral turret]

SORRU

[ruby crest]

All good

[thin prairie]

https://pokepast.es/0e6ae1d54dbf82e7

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[shy garden]

ok i'll bite. Show me a solid specs primarina team

[north star]

https://pokepast.es/050345c92fc54051 gen 9 ou rate 1-10

[spiral fable]

This team is completely unviable, unfortunately

None of these sets are viable, and Pikachu itslef is not usable in OU

[north star]

I was told ant the pikachu

abt

[spiral fable]

ok but the rest of the team is also completely unviable

[north star]

idk who to use

also I used Pikachu perfectlyfine

[spiral fable]

I would heavily recommend using a sample team if you're new to the tier

[north star]

ok

[spiral fable]

You can find the sample teams here

[north star]

how get

bet

[spiral fable]

!gen9ousamples

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[north star]

thanks bro 🙂

at least I was close

with zamazenta sweeps strat

[jovial badge]

https://pokepast.es/bb1c47be1f5f4d7a

Tried to make a team around hoopa unbound coz I really like it (but goddamn psychic/dark is an abysmal typing). I have only laddered with sample teams before, this is my first time building my own team, so any and all kinds of feedbacks are welcome!

(just realised I never put any tera types, I'll fix that shortly)

https://pokepast.es/1e8697a84cd555b2

Updated with correct tera types

[north star]

hey guys wanna see the close fight I got into

[spiral fable]

this isnt the channel for that, sorry

[rotund atlas]

Manaphy @ Quick Claw
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Ice Beam
• Tail Glow
• Surf
• Stored Power

Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Toxic Spikes
• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Poison Jab

Ribombee @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shield Dust
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sticky Web
• Draining Kiss
• Bug Buzz
• Psychic

Dragapult @ Life Orb
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Darts
• U-turn
• Thunder Wave
• Phantom Force

Meowscarada @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• U-turn
• Knock Off
• Triple Axel
• Flower Trick

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Aura Sphere
• Thunderbolt
• Psyshock

is this team good?

[upper maple]

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[hybrid haven]

btw wouldnt it be better to make lando specially bulky? he already has intimidate

also sorry for the late reply XD im testing it out in battles and its working splendidly

but i just had this thought

[ruby crest]

not necessarily, spdef lando doesn’t check much that you need that isn’t covered by gking and gambit m, defense investment actually helps check things you want like great tusk, gouging fire, sd gliscor, etc

just cause you have intimidate doesn’t mean it’s always up sidne sometiems the mons you can check you would be forced to switch now since you won’t be taking hits from them as better

[hybrid haven]

yea i got you, the team is already pretty specially bulky anyway

but the raging bolt is weird, its 75 base speed so is it worth making it speedy?

unles you're scarfing it

and ive never heard of scarfed raging bolt

[ruby crest]

Not necessarily

Its modest for a reason to maximize as much damage as possible and max speed to outspeed anything slower then it

[hybrid haven]

i mean... 249 is not outspeeding much

maybe reinvest in some bulk?

also, throw out dragon pulse for maybe thunderbolt?

because 2x draco meteor > 2x dragon pulse

even after special attack drop

at least thats what i heard

and since its specs its not gonna be on for that long

[ruby crest]

Thing is Draco pulse is a safe option from clicking Draco when you can get a secured kill without the chance of miss

[hybrid haven]

i mean chance of miss but like 50% weaker

[ruby crest]

So

[hybrid haven]

a lot of KOs missed

[ruby crest]

it’s a safe option for a reason

[hybrid haven]

but yea against a mirror raging bolt matchup it could make a diff

hmm

[ruby crest]

The only time you run something else over it could be Tera blast

don’t think to much about the speed unless you conveniently make bulk to help with anything specific but you most likely will be forced to go slower since it can be helpful for rare but still useful things you wanna outspeed like volcanion, sinistcha, etc