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tender pecan
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It uses av?

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I've genuinely never seen that ever

spiral fable
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Yes

tender pecan
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I feel it wouldn't need it no?

spiral fable
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It’s been a meta development for quite some time

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Think it started during SPL

tender pecan
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Huh neat

nocturne dagger
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is ice beam better than surf if your main target is gliscor?

tender pecan
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Then ig it's just the Tera types

nocturne dagger
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spdef glisc gets 3hkod

spiral fable
tender pecan
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And the occasional random move here and there

spiral fable
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It’s just a better “all rounder” coverage that has the nice benefit of hitting gliscor

nocturne dagger
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most grounds also get hit by ice beam no?

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nocturne dagger
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flamethrower

tender pecan
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Also garg I suppose

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Not a ground but whatever

spiral fable
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Ok here lemme just pull up the analysis

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sly mauve
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alright

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I just like the threat of burn on scorching

spiral fable
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yeah but the power is nicer

sly mauve
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surf sounds good yeah kinds just copied the glowking set from one of my other teams bc lazy

spiral fable
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you dont want to miss out on a crucial damage threshold ie breaking subs

sly mauve
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fsight doesnt benefit much here true

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thats pretty common with Offense tbh

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dont run hazard clearance half the time and usually dont run a lot of boots

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# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/ab841dd0ec3515a6

Yo, nice team. I like the idea of hanging two fighting sweepers to break down common walls. Couple key weaknesses I see are opposing hazards, since you got only one boots and no removal. So probably something like boots heatran would be good. Otherwise spikes are going to eat you alive. Second main weakness is the tiers number one pokemon Dragapult. No matter what he's up against he is going to do a ton of damage and your only real hope is tera normal gliscor.

Quaquaval is pretty weak and really needs both the swords dance and the aqua step to make noise, which is hard to get. A simple swap would be physical iron valiant with speed booster. This would keep the same synergy with Zamazenta but also threaten dragapult and would be good speed control overall

marsh falcon
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alrighty

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sly mauve
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# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/8713035e9df10f6c what should I change???

Unfortunately, these mons don't really have a lot of synergy between them
You have sash meowscarada, but you aren't running any hazards on it (which is the only reason you awnt to run it)
Kingambit without swords dance is bad, and kingambit never wants to run protect anyways, nor does meowscarada
Skeledirge has no need for Tera Blast, and dropping Will-o-Wisp is actively detrimental to it
You have two extremely bulky walls in Skeledirge and Clodsire, which both only fit on bulky balance or stall teams, but then the rest of your team is offensive, which does not make for a good team comp. Furthermore, Meowscarada's sash set isn't used anymore, and its good set(boots 4 attack) fits only on hazard stacking teams, which this is not. You're just split between different playstyles rn, and it doesn't gel together to make a good team.
You can find a good summary of each teamstyle here: #comp-general message
And I would recommend you use a sample team for now to learn the metagame and each of the teamstyles, and you can find them here

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!gen9ousamples

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tender pecan
spiral fable
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no

tender pecan
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Aw damn

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I haven't used it in a while and I remember using banded sets on it way back pre home

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Welp good to know ig

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grave ginkgo
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o

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ok

spiral fable
# grave ginkgo https://pokepast.es/3c26841c4873caca herse updated dragaboom<:wow:59904096810002...

If you want to run webs don't run screens as well, ribombee desperately needs its other moveslots for utility and coverage to keep webs up, use its smogon set which you can find here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/ribombee/
Sash pult isn't good on webs teams as hazards cannot be prevented and will often go up, nullifying pult entirely
Bulky Glimmora is bad, you die to every hazard setter in one hit, if you want to run glimmora on webs run the meteor beam set
Iron Valiant is alright on webs but you don't need its speed control + you have better options for special breakers, like manaphy
Raging Bolt is good on webs but your set is bad, 3 attack with sub no lefties no calm mind is really bad you need setup sweepers for webs
this team has a few flaws and i would recomend runnning the webs sample team for now, since its probably the best webs team currently, link here: https://pokepast.es/308ddd8e8592ce66

grave ginkgo
spiral fable
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hm

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ok, most of the comments i made here still apply to other forms of hyper offense (they always want to stack 5 setup sweepers)

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The best way to run Dragapult is probably life orb ddance

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though frankly that set is kinda bad and you would be better off using specs/hex on offense or balance instead

spiral fable
# grave ginkgo https://pokepast.es/fa483201173a2caf I removed webs completely since I want the ...

But if you want to build around pult, drop cinderace drop raging bolt,
Make glimmora hazard lead sash (use its smogon set)
Make Dragapult Ddance Life Orb Dragon Darts Tera Blast Sucker Punch with Tera Ghost
Swap Valiant to its Calm Mind set
Slot on Ddance Roaring Moon, use its smogon set
Slot on Offensive Calm Mind Primarina, messes with stall while still providing a powerful setup sweeper for your team (run Psychic Noise Sub with Liquid Voice)

grave ginkgo
spiral fable
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its just something you have to learn as you play the tier longer, dont feel bad

sly mauve
crisp solstice
high pier
brisk cedar
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Oh this doesn't have woch nick removed, I don't like the teams nicks...

high pier
high pier
calm ether
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https://pokepast.es/aa57b65d6eef831c not my team, but have been playing with it on ladder a lot. Hard to say if and how it could improve. Have the feeling that Weavile isn't pulling its weight, even though it blanks defog corvi with tera ghost to set up hazards later, the access to ice shard helps a lot vs faster mons and knock off helps vs stall

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# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/aa9784b34ae6e765 do you guys have any recommendations for my...

Ok so this team is kind of all over the place. You have a defensive style in the middle with clod, garg, and Clefable, then offense with Samurott and Dragapult, then a random trick room bronzong.

Trick room makes your offensive guys worse so this is not a good fit. Levitate is not a great way to patch up your very noticeable ground weakness since it can't do much to common ground types. And earthquakes otherwise really hurt your team.

I would say the first question you should ask yourself is what idea is this team about. Is it defensive play with hazards? Or a balance of offense and defense? Or is it about U-turn type pivoting?

Once you have a core idea you can decide more easily what fits with the idea and what doesnt

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You can find general team ideas here #comp-general message

dusky kindle
# crisp solstice https://pokepast.es/aca26dab3c72c2db

Hey, wild team! Using the fastest pokemon in the game set up trick room is certainly a choice, not sure I like it. You could probably swap deoxys for deoxys d or Cresselia or even Rabsca and have a way better time.

Reuniclus is also not strong enough to be really worth using in OU I think especially with no boosting move. If you want a strong special attacker that's slow I might consider Choice Specs Primarina or maybe Armarouge. With hatterene and cress you should be able to set up trick room enough times that you don't need a third setter.

dusky kindle
# calm ether https://pokepast.es/aa57b65d6eef831c not my team, but have been playing with it ...

Tera ghost weavile is a pretty poor answer to defog Corviknight as it doesn't even do much back, and tera ghost really wants to be on a pokemon that can threaten Zamazenta.

I think you have enough to pressure Corviknight between Volcarona and Raging Bolt (which you could change to specs). Similarly you already have two priority users so fast pokemon shouldn't be that much of a problem.

The main thing I see as a weakness is that Raging Bolt is your only fire resist and he won't be able to pressure volcarona. Using something like primarina in the weavile slot would make your team slower and bulkier but it would force switches, tank ice fire and dark attacks meant for sinistcha, and you can even tech on tera ghost with calm mind for stall and zamazenta.

sly mauve
sly mauve
tender pecan
spiral fable
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both have their merits

tender pecan
sly mauve
tender pecan
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yeah, DOU

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different format to standard OU

sly mauve
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ignore the name, I messed up with it.

tender pecan
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aight then mb

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your team seems to be lacking some direction

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like, what playstyle are you going for

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you have glimm which is usually on HO teams, clod which is on balance and stall, sd ogerpon which is another offensive premiere, etc etc

sly mauve
tender pecan
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it does seem that way

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you have a lot of overlapping roles within this team and also some odd movesets

sly mauve
tender pecan
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clod and glim are both trying to set up rocks for instance, but then you have corv which removes your own hazards and physically defensive gouging also acting as a physical wall alongside corv

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clod and glim are otherwise very different pokemon, but you typically only run one or the other

sly mauve
tender pecan
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I'd say remove one or the other and then work your way from there, since both are staples of very different archetypes

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Glimm is an HO mon, clod is a stall/balance mon as I said above

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it might be worth your time to look at some samples featuring both

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see what appeals to you more

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tender pecan
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Samples are the top thing

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go nuts, try stuff out then eventually you can use them as a point of reference

tender pecan
# spiral fable both have their merits

I think the main thing is that cm boosts less and relies on aura sphere for fighting stab while sd relies on spirit break for fairy stab which can really miss the mark at times, but there's defo more to it that I haven't really seen

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ig focus blast exists too but I wouldn't wanna use that

spiral fable
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???

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Calm Mind doesn’t run Aura Sphere

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And SD doesn’t run Spirit Break

tender pecan
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I'm saying if you wanna use stab for either

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like both sets miss out in that sense

spiral fable
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…yes which is why I said both sets have their merits

tender pecan
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has the analysis been updated as of late

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I'll check that ig

brisk cedar
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Focus Blast is better than aura sphere

tender pecan
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I'm a focus blast hater but yeah 80 bp aura just, doesn't cut it

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there will come a day where special attacking fighting types can eat good

marsh falcon
marsh falcon
tender pecan
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this seems, ok at a glance

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I'll let someone better than me go into more detail tho

ruby crest
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dengo is a bit odd here tho

marsh falcon
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i just slotted it in cus its gholdengo

ruby crest
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what u trying to go for in this team?

marsh falcon
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iron val as cleanup mainly

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would prob like another pivot/wallbreaker 2 replace dengo

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marsh falcon
hybrid wharf
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quick bluff
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sinistcha+sd glisc hazard stack

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feels a little more balance and a little less fat but idk

marsh falcon
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any recommendations

ruby crest
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sorry for the delay was caught up

marsh falcon
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im trying out diff mons to fill ghold

dusky kindle
# hybrid wharf https://pokepast.es/229e3bf59d170b05 I want to fit in another knock off user int...

So you already have 2 knock off users, both of which have good offensive pressure tools as well. What is it exactly you're finding trouble with?

The team looks like it has decent answers to most things, only thing I'd notice is no removal for Garganacl.

For that reason if you want more offensive pressure you could switch from Garg to Tusk as your rocker which could also help with things like gouging fire

dusky kindle
# quick bluff https://pokepast.es/c8f9918822321ef9

Your team is pretty solid defensively but it has very little to pressure stall. Dondozo and Clodsire pretty much wall the whole team and if you get toxic on sinistcha volc and zamazenta they are going to have a hard time.

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spiral fable
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sd gliscor is annoying but any good stall has ways to handle it, and garg puts pressure but most stall teams can beat it by just switch stalling

quick bluff
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do you have any suggested changes?

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maybe make zama tera fight banded, or replace it with tera dark gambit?

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nocturne dagger
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because garg has lefties it’s weak to hazards, so without removal it can get worn down by hazard stack or double switches

hybrid wharf
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I see. That makes sense. Thank you for explaining

dusky kindle
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Exactly yeah, it is grounded so it's quite vulnerable to spikes and rocks. As a defensive pokemon this is a problem

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Especially since it wants to click salt cure and protect more than it wants to click recover

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For setup sweepers, don't be afraid to pivot into valiant and encore. You can also focus on positioning such that you predict incoming counters and double switch so they don't have an opportunity to set up. Switching one of dragapults status moves to U-turn might help keep up the pressure

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# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/633d18ab55139c39

sorry for the delay, but for this team i recommend making this special steel beam iron treads still maintains its lead and hazard removal mon, but now u never activate glimmora toxic debris and remove it with ep, and deal heavy damage with steel beam and give urself momentum by fainting from recoil and deal decent damage, made dragapult sash makes it much annoying being able to spread hazards and be able to make dents for mons like iron val and gambit to clean much more efficiently, decided to make gambit lum berry which helps ur mu against opposing dragapult being able to absorb status move when they anticipate sucker

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laastly i decided to change raging bolt for bulky cm primarina which serves as ur stall breaker with psychic noise and tera ghost being able to sub up and win effectively against stall, and lastly changed dengo for zama id zama with roar which helps at phasing out mons like volc trying to take advantage of it and still be a threatening mon on its own with id b press, https://pokepast.es/558567a7c9d88717 heres a paste with changes

crisp solstice
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reunicles is just based

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i hate how much time ive spent calcing speed tiers and evs for for that team

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marsh falcon
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appreciate it

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also can u explain the prim ev spread

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and tera ghost

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spiral fable
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ok but teleport already has negative priority

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so there's no point in running deo s

crisp solstice
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exactly

spiral fable
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since you will always slow pivot out

crisp solstice
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the set is to be the best of both worlds

spiral fable
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...but you arent

crisp solstice
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able to deal fast hits and the slowest pivot in game

spiral fable
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because you're running deo s your troom setter dies after getting it up once

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and you dont have the firepower to dish out a lot of hits

crisp solstice
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it doesnt its ev spread is calcdf for relevant stuff offensive hits , deo s isnt that squishy

spiral fable
ruby crest
# marsh falcon and tera ghost

Tera ghost prevents cm bliss to do anything to u behind sub and resist poison Incase you deal with Pjabs or pstings clod also curse bpress dozo can’t break

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spiral fable
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huh, is corv a relevant target to outspeed?

ruby crest
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you also hit slow scizors you can prob go slower and do some spdef for Tera wake

spiral fable
# fiery sapphire https://pokepast.es/ca323cb34ec4a1ff hmmm do I need speed control?

from a quick glance your team's physical defensive core is really weak, with mons like roaring moon kinda just steamrolling you after they grab a boost which isn't that hard if they come in on say shadow ball from pult
hatt being your only form of hazard prevention on a team stacked with mons weak to hazards is really scuffed since hatt has no reliable recovery and will be chipped over the course of the game

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honestly your spdef core aint much better, kyurem kinda rolls you over and your walking wake matchup is abyssmal

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cant think of a clean solution rn

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spiral fable
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rip, think this might be a sample moment then

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you can try to pivot this to bulky offense? make waterpon sd and then swap out hatt garg gliscor?

ruby crest
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Your going to be weak to ogerpon, gouging, gambit, dengo, kyurem, bolt one way or another tbh

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tho @fiery sapphire do you generally test your teams, just wondering for how frequent you post teams and they are usually flawed

fiery sapphire
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I do need to test them more

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Used to post decent enough temas and now I dunno what happened but I'll keep trying and probably test them out more.

ruby crest
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I def recommend testing for a few decent games gets a better understanding and viewing flaws on ur teams

grave ginkgo
dusky kindle
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Could probably use hazards as well

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Maybe like Skarmory?

shrewd trench
marsh falcon
tender pecan
lost pollen
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Hi i need help in my tournament team, Im currently running https://pokepast.es/a4dd3d0bff820b68 , but i dont think this is so good. I have 3 options to switch, choice band meowscarada, volcarona life orb and rocky helmet skarmory. what do you thinki should do?

shrewd trench
tender pecan
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I honestly like lando on these types of teams more. its a bit bulkier and provides intimidate support in exchange for coverage.

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but your choice

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you can mess around and try between the 3 cause ngl I think this is still fine as is

shrewd trench
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I will test my team some more and see what happens

plucky socket
tender pecan
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pretty standard lead deoxys-s and special iron valiant but everything else is uhhh

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why are you using 4 UU mons lol

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or wait

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3

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forgot garg rose

fierce basin
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The point of a suicide lead is to maintain momentum for the rest of the game so your opponent can never have time to remove hazards. A suicide lead doesn't rly mesh with garg/mandibuZZ/Rotom/pecharunt as these mons often give up momentum

tender pecan
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yeah

fierce basin
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Or allow for removal

tender pecan
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plus like

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deoxys-s hazard lead does not pair well with a defog user

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naturally

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you have a HO lead and iron valiant which is another HO staple but everything else, isn't

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garg is good but its not good here

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and the rest of them is just, odd

plucky socket
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so basically I want to remove garg mandi rotom pecha for something that can kill hazard removers?

tender pecan
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well

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ok so if you remove those you're basically wanting to go for HO

fierce basin
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No I'm just saying if you want pokemon that aren't all fully offensive drop the suicide lead for smth else

tender pecan
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or that

fierce basin
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If you wanna play fully offensive you can run the suicide lead and switch the rest

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Val can stay

tender pecan
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so yeah depends what you want

plucky socket
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I like val + deo

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but no idea how to improve it yet

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just threw some mons and asked here

tender pecan
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well then, drop the other 4 and replace them with setup sweepers

plucky socket
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example of setup sweeper?

fierce basin
# plucky socket just threw some mons and asked here

I would suggest running w some sample teams for a few games to figure out why mons are on certain teams then and that'll improve your next attempt https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

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Welcome in the sample teams thread where you can find solid teams to try out the tier and learn this new metagame. To get the importable of the team, simply click on the mini-sprites!

The Indigo Disk Sample Teams...

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The top ones are h.o

tender pecan
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volcarona

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sd ogerpon

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kingambit

tender pecan
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hold on

fierce basin
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Since he's brand new and asking what setup sweepers are it's probably better to try one from the latest slate so he can have one that's best into current meta

tender pecan
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fair

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also I misrememberd it just had deo

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I think I put on iron val myself

velvet path
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general opinions

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sorry for taking so long to reply i had to study for tests

dusky kindle
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No worries, my general impression is weavile sd isnt the most reliable since it might find it hard to find things to sd against when going vs more offensive teams. Also it's your fastest pokemon but it doesn't really beat other fast pokemon like deoxys s with superpower, darkrai, booster valiant and iron boulder

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tender pecan
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you have two espeed spammers I see

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and uhh

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empoleon?

delicate shale
delicate shale
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Kinda like paonite vgc teams

tender pecan
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right

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thing is you do have two mons trying to do the same thing

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and harcanine is kinda exploitable with a scarf

delicate shale
tender pecan
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also I don't think you really need a scarf if you have e speed?

delicate shale
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Gen question

delicate shale
tender pecan
delicate shale
tender pecan
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and the team is slow without prio but thats sort of counterbalanced by the fact that like

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everything you have is running prio

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except empoleon

delicate shale
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So I didn't think of that

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Ty?

tender pecan
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np

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there's some other issues here but I'll let someone better than me address those

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rather not lead you in the wrong place

delicate shale
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Ty

plucky socket
tender pecan
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oh how ironic I just brought up Galarian moltres in comp gen 2 and here we are

plucky socket
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i love this mon

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i had 2 games where i just swept team from turn 1 lol

tender pecan
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this team is a lil bit whack but not awful

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idk what this is tryna be

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BO?

plucky socket
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yeah

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that was the plan

tender pecan
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clef is usually not a thing on BO but, ok

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there's better bulky defensive anchors for this type of team

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primarina can slot onto them pretty well

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uhh what else

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moltres usually runs boots

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in case you can't get hazards off you'd rather not have it be made way more frail, especially cause you're tying to double dance with it

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and it usually wants screen support

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the rest of the team is pretty standard tho

plucky socket
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so i could swap clef with screen primarina?

tender pecan
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I don't think Prim gets screens

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hmmm

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idk cause for moltres to be as effective as possible you really need to soften everything up for it to just plough through

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its an inherently inconsistent mon but to minimize that inconsistency I'd swap out some mons

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again, the irony we were just mentioning it in comp gen 2, players better than myself said its pretty much an HO mon

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and not much else

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I'd say swap clef for now, and see what others have to say

high pier
tender pecan
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this looks ok

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just two things

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idk how necessary utility rilla is here. it is useful but its band set might give you a tad more firepower, however if you want to keep it cause heatran, then thats fine

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the second thing is less of a critique more of a suggestion, utility rillas best partner is hawlucha, so maybe you could slot it on somewhere?

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otherwise yeah I don't see anything wrong here

high pier
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i put rilla on there cus half the team is weak to ground

tender pecan
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yeah, thats why hawlucha could be nice here

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gives you a ground immunity

high pier
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over gambit maybe?

tender pecan
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yeah try that

high pier
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also is there a better tera for tusk?

tender pecan
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on its offensive utility set it usually runs ground steel or fire

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so you can see what works best for you

spiral iron
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esp the lando-t on this team but idk what to replace it with

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ive thought about dd nite or maybe CM enamorus

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but im not exactly sure

sudden quartz
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Pretty happy with this, hopefully not missing anything big

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Not totally sure on all the Tera’s (dragon mol is really imprints tho)

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What could I improve?

spiral fable
# spiral iron https://pokepast.es/c87f7c50dbb97884 wdyt of this team, itfeels outdated

lando definitely doesn't fit on this team, tera poison darkrai without the aforementioned poison attack is really weird, hydrapple doesn't fit on HO at all (you're way too slow and that 4x ice weakness makes it really easy to rk + getting forced out by your own item? not the best) and raging bolt is alright but too slow for this style of HO imo

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If you really want to keep hydrapple you can make it boots ig, but i would swap draco for fickle

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Drop Lando for Roaring Moon, and I would drop Raging Bolt for Gambit

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# boreal bane https://pokepast.es/85559120018bcc7e Should I make any changes?

so there's a few issues with this team
Tornadus is not a good weather setter in singles: none of the manual weather setters are, and that set was made for doubles
Protect isn't very good in singles, only used on a few mons which torkoal isn't one of them, it wants to run its sun setter set which you can find on smogon https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/torkoal/
Valiant isn't very good on sun, with plenty of better options, drop it for offensive kingambit with air balloon or black glasses (all sets im referring to are on their smogon page)
Hlilligant is fine but you don't need scope lens, drop it for life orb, and swap out leaf blade for triple axel, swap your tera to tera fighting
Wake is also fine but it never wants to click hydro pump, drop it for flip turn and make it booster spattack instead of speed as you already have speed in hlilligant
Replace Tornadus with eject button hatterene, provides your team with a one-time pivot out of torkoal and a way to bolster a ewakened mon late game + hazard control
If you want to run tusk, swap it to its offensive utility set with lefites

boreal bane
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Okay

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So what should I use as a backup sun setter?

spiral fable
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you dont need one

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one weather setter is enough for singles weather teams

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(unless you're running zard y sun in natdex but that's for different reasons)

boreal bane
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oh

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Thank you

spiral iron
spiral fable
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Why do you need a ground resist

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Like no joke why do you need a ground resist

spiral iron
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booster tusk

spiral fable
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There’s two good ground types in the meta rn, tusk and lando, neither of which are threatening to HO

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And if you’re building to beat booster tusk you lose to ice spinner anyways

spiral iron
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so i can have smth to pivot into RM eq for ex. they try to eq gambit and then i go dragonite isntead

spiral fable
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Ok but usually gambit isn’t coming out till 4-5 fainted anyways

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It really feels like you don’t need dnite here

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Especially since most of your attackers aren’t immediately threatening

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also if you’re running black glasses gambit it needs to be Tera dark

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I would really recommend rmoon over dnite

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Dark spam helps overwhelm threats like zamazenta which can otherwise be a nuisance

spiral iron
spiral iron
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then

spiral fable
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Then run air balloon

spiral iron
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free cc

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or body press

spiral fable
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Also a lot of tusks dont even run cc nowadays

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Actually why do you seem to be so worried about tusk?

spiral iron
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because it can run over the team

spiral fable
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You’re running dnite, dropped sludge on darkrai for ice beam even though you’re Tera poison, you’re running a tusk of your own

spiral iron
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i feel tera poison is better

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anyway

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im running dnite cuz im worried free eq would just be free without anything concerning them

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i dont even havea resist

spiral fable
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My dude

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You are running HO

spiral iron
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you still should have some form of counterplay

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likeu dont go into a match against iron valiant and say "lol ill play around moonblast (with no resists)" that is asking to get owned

spiral fable
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Well yeah don’t stack a bunch of ground weak mons, sure

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But most of these are neutral

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If anything zamazenta should be a bigger concern

spiral iron
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with 3 dark types

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yes

spiral fable
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Well dnite flat out loses to zamazenta

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And doesn’t perform well into offensive bu tusk

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Soo

spiral iron
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it can at least discourage headlong rush spam

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yes dnite loses to zama

spiral fable
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I would recommend either Idbp zamazenta or Hatterene

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Or primarina

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Custap primarina is always fun

spiral iron
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???

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what would prim do on Ho

spiral fable
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Calm Mind

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Were you not around pre-SPL?

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This is a question for #comp-general

spiral iron
spiral fable
spiral iron
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but CM prim hasnt been seen on HO for the longest time ive known

languid mirage
spiral fable
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Also btw your team struggles into primarina as well (which is why you should swap ice beam for sludge on Darkrai)

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If you want to keep ice beam just drop focus blast

spiral iron
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btw what do i do into clodisre

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clod + dondozo

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stall core

spiral fable
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You shit on stall

spiral iron
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tusk is dead weight into stall no?

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dead into dondozo on arrival

spiral fable
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Just run psyshock on Val

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Forces tera on clod/pex

spiral iron
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doesnt that make it very very dead into every slowking-g

spiral fable
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You don’t need encore

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Cm 3 attack Val is better for special

jagged shore
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I like my team Its a bit generic but i dont know who the 5th member should be

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or if i should switch up my moves and items

velvet path
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shrewd trench
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With Volcarona gone I tried to replace the slot with Gouging Fire

ruby crest
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Honestly gouging fire doesn’t fullfil the same role that volarona had would say it’s best to build over

shrewd trench
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Okay

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ty

spiral fable
thin prairie
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yea i was kinda sketched about what last mon to use

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still unsure what fits

spiral fable
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i think a speed boosting sweeper would be nice

thin prairie
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moon?

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could run double dragon

spiral fable
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yeah

thin prairie
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for prima

spiral fable
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also im not the biggest fan of tusk here when you have lando already

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maybe run zamazenta instead, as an anti-ho measure?

thin prairie
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i thought zama got banned?

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oh it didnt

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i think idbp works here

spiral fable
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yeah

tender pecan
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also I feel i'm running the wrong clef set for this kind of team

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https://pokepast.es/2feb61da45200d87 Dunno what to sub Volc for or if the team needs bigger adjustments. Also sometimes miss Weavile's knock and shard where Primarina now has its spot

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# tender pecan https://pokepast.es/0a0e06c1728b3ab7 trying to build stall but I feel I'm lackin...

Stall is a pretty tough nut to crack and you will usually be forced to use a very specific set of pokemon. In this case the most glaring omission on your team is Dondozo. Building a stall team without a physically defensive unaware pokemon is kind of asking to be killed by Kingambit or one of the other ubiquitous physical threats in the tier. The 6 you have here are kind of off in this way as you have two specially defensive unawares that kind of do the same thing so idk if you really need both.

So that would be my main suggestion. However if you really want to keep the 6 you have then for sure you will want to change Corviknight to Iron Defence Body Press instead of Brave Bird u-turn. Clefable should be changed to Stealth Rock + Knock instead of Calm Mind + Encore; you really need hazard damage on a defensive team like this. And I would consider making it physically defensive with Sticky Barb. Skeledirge can be hex instead of shadow ball since you are going to be spreading status with three of your guys. Clodsire can be Spikes over Toxic cause you already have two other status moves and you can still poison with Jab; this will really kick up your hazard damage.

Also blissey and clodsire should be boots and Corviknight should be rocky helmet or leftovers.
Here is a paste with the changes: https://pokepast.es/4956841b0d557eb1

dusky kindle
# delicate shale Hey (Canion is cool): https://pokepast.es/fe02713916c033c7

Fun bulky offense here, main thing i see is a weakness to Kyurem and other dragons. Meowscarada is not super helpful for these kinds of teams, what do you find yourself using it for? My instinct would be to switch it for something like Boots Dragapult which is faster speed control, hits a lot of the same targets, and has better utility. Also I would change Corviknight to a specially defensive spread since you are lacking on that, and maybe brave bird over u-turn to hit Valiant.

tender pecan
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and yeah stall is tough but its a good way to test how well you can play around certain things

tender pecan
dusky kindle
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conventional wisdom says dirge

weary crypt
tender pecan
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this team is weird

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I'm not sure whats with the hoopa set tbh

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ik volc is banned 😭

ruby crest
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rebuild from scratch

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an important Mon for a lot of offense being banned is not something easily replaceable especially with whatever new changes are bound to come as well

wheat hatch
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ok

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https://pokepast.es/2feb61da45200d87 Dunno what to sub Volc for or if the team needs bigger adjustments. Could also imagine it needs a complete rebuild, but I don’t think Volc is a core part to this team. Was thinking of replacing it with Roaring Moon, but does give a lot of fairy weaknesses. Also sometimes miss Weavile's knock and shard where Primarina now has its spot

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wheat hatch
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changes?

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havent eved kyurem

weary crypt
spiral fable
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I would recommend everyone test their teams on ladder before posting them here

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There’s a lot of things you can recognize as flaws through just a few games

gentle venture
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https://pokepast.es/61e6c00a9ed8a0e8 new to comp this team started as a dragapult primarina heatran core it ended up like this alo acrobatics set is for ogerpon skeledirge is here to force out HO setup sweepers

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the problem is skeledirge cant force out goughing fire and raging

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ı did think about dondozo but it cant really force raging either

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ah by the way primarina and heatran can cover eachother pretty well against evrything but kyurem

plucky socket
gentle venture
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so ı started to run tera bug heatran, but ı don't want to burn my tera the moment kyurem threatens me

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so some advice against ogerpon kyurem and raging bolt would be nice

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tldr this team is weak to HO and ı need a six mon a preferably unaware wall to force them out maybe haze clodsire or dondozo

spiral fable
# plucky socket https://pokepast.es/e39e74c5a39662a9 is this too much dark?

Grimmsnarl is generally outclassed as a screens setter by both deoxys-speed and atales, I would replace Grimm with Atales
You have a HO screens setter but then zapdos, which does not fit, drop Zapdos for Roaring Moon
You also have sash hamurott which you don't want to run beacuse you're already essentially playing 5-6 with grimmsnarl and HO doesn't stack suicide leads, drop hamurott for Iron Defense Body Press Zamazenta
If you're running tera dark kingambit you should always have kowtow cleave, drop iron head
I'm really not a fan of moltres galar, it sucks in OU, but if you really want to run it I can't stop you

plucky socket
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why zapdos doesn't fit?

spiral fable
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HO is supposed to be a team of 1 lead 5 sweepers, give or take

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Your team is supposed to keep up a constant barrage of offensive pressure to overwhelm your opponent, and this is done best through stacking powerful setup sweepers

plucky socket
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so atales should lead?

spiral fable
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Yes

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Atales leads to set the screens that allow your sweepers to set up reliably

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Zapdos, in comparison isn’t that strong, doesn’t exert a lot of offensive pressure, and gives your opponent time to heal up/set up against you

plucky socket
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alright thanks

spiral fable
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Yep np

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bleak flame
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My bad

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viscid willow
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this any good?

dusky kindle
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Looks pretty solid, I like the double dragons and primarina is a decent check to a lot of anti-webs stuff. Because your primarina leans specially defensive be very careful around cinderace with potential gunk shot. Might be worth switching to hydro pump so you can have a chance to ko with some chip if you do face that matchup and tera to survive. Or even if they just court change

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You could also try this spread on ribombee
8 HP / 136 Def / 196 SpA / 168 Spe
From a recently posted RMT, lets you live weavile triple axel 75% of the time and keeps enough speed for serperior

fathom wraith
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is this any good?

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ik its weak to a lot of shit

wise knot
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I think Hoopa is only really effective as an AV mon (or scarfer sometimes). With band it can't really switch in on anything repeatedly, even the walls it wants to break. If I were going to use Band Hoopa it would be with pivot spam, and you only have one pivot in Gking. Here's an AV Hoopa team I used to beat JJ0lie in ADPL. https://pokepast.es/e47d8ff03da1fdb3
Other than that, I would shy away from using both Zama and Tusk on the same team most of the time. So to make this team function a little better with minimal changes I would maybe replace Zama with a speed control mon that has pivoting capabilities such as Dragapult.

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I accidentally forgot to put the "gen9ou" in the description

spiral fable
# shrewd trench https://pokepast.es/6d33edeb70b119b5

Hamurott HO is fine, but there's a few issues with the rest of your team
Stellar Serperior is a noob trap (Leaf Storm does more damage into even a resist), if you want to run Serperior run Tera Ground
Gholdengo doesn't fit on this fast paced HO team, I would drop it for Iron Valiant for some speed
I'm not a fan of moth here, especially since you already have a Tera hog in Serp, I would drop it for IDBP Zamazenta (gives you a way out against opposing swepeers as well)
I'm not sure about Tusk as well, especially since your team is kinda lacking in immediate offensive pressure rn, I would drop it for offensive kingambit (air baloon or dark glasses up to you)

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https://pokepast.es/f5f553bbb6a08b40 volc was on this team until, well, le funny ban. So I swapped it for gouging, but now I noticed I have 5 physical attackers and a suicide lead. Not sure if gouging was the best replacement. I didn't really feel like iron moth worked here and I wanted to keep a fire type attacker. plus now I'm walled by stuff like iron defence zama and corv as well.

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tender pecan
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oh yeah also tera on gouging idrk what to put

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stuck with fire for the raging fury stab boost ig

wise knot
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You're right, this team is a little hopeless against ID Zama. I'll give it some edits and explain them in a sec.

tender pecan
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only way I can catch zama is if it comes in on roaring and I ddance tera acrobatics into it but thats not a solid check at all

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otherwise it just stonewalls me

tender pecan
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Volc and Moth act as fairy and fighting checks which gouging fails to do. I changed Gouging for Iron Moth and made Valiant modest CM, as I have a very similar team with that set in which it is an effective partner for moth due to serving as a breaker for gking. The changed Deo-S set gives it more longevity and lets it counterlead glimmora without getting spun on or committing tera (helmet kills glimmora before it can remove hazards). I also made Moon Jolly as it should almost always be on non-webs teams and made gambit faster. Enjoy. https://pokepast.es/a26fce692caca330

tender pecan
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I'll see how this goes, thanks

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oh yeah jolly roaring still procs attack booster energy right?

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just checked it does

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thanks again

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https://pokepast.es/12c12ad362c259f3
The problem has been rain mostly. Previously it was Gliscor and was doing badly against rain so I swapped to Pex. Just changed the Pult to fully special, and ideally looking to another special attacker.

fathom wraith
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im sitll gonna try to make band hoopa work

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gentle venture
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new to comp https://pokepast.es/e91ae0f416ad5846 this team started as a heatran primarina dragapult SFD core ended like this heatran and primarina can cover and switch into each others threats pretty fine the only problematic one was kyurem so ı started running tera bug to have a better matchup against it substitue is here so as ı switch into a passive threat ı can set a sub and will o wisp the switchin ground types without needing to tera also primarina runs liquid voice as psy noise is better surf imo and gives me a free slot to better deal with opposing primarina with energy ball others unaware clefable is here so ı can at leastfight back against DD roaring otherwise with one mistake ım done for against HO teams

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gentle venture
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TLDR how can ı have a better matchup against HO with this team

tender pecan
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there's a couple

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interesting set choices here

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acrobatics alomomola is certainly new

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but ultimately does not really function with what alo is trying to do

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I'd go with scald instead, and run boots on it

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alo has no damage output its purpose is to wish pass but also occasionally fish for scald burns

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if your clef is running unaware rather than magic guard again, slap boots onto it

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alternatively there's better unaware mons

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i can understand the need for lum berry on gambit but if you're big issue is HO most HO teams don't carry a lot of status

gusty crypt
tender pecan
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the team synergy is a little bit odd too

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although I'll let someone else fix that for you, I'm just pointing out some iffy set choices

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this feels like BO with assault vest prim but there's not much offence

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and this isn't really balance with how little hazard stack there is

tender pecan
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generally the pokemon you chose are good for this playstyle

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because this seems like HO but some of the set choices are a bit odd

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generally you don't wanna run scarf valiant on an HO team

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scarfers aren't really a thing on HO you have setup sweepers in their place.

gusty crypt
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Hmm okay, the reasoning was to have a revenge killer/cleaner for opposing sweepers

tender pecan
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it typically runs booster energy, swords dance or calm mind is up to you

gusty crypt
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Booster for speed?

tender pecan
tender pecan
# gusty crypt Booster for speed?

usually yes although you can also run a modest set that has vaccum wave for speed control instead, someone else gave me that set yesterday

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all valid options

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your team does struggle a bit with speed

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raging bolt is perfectly fine but I prefer kingambit in that slot

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its just a stronger revenge sweeper and priority user

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I'd also swap prim out for something else

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unless you wanna swap its set for calm mind, just mind its iffy speed tier in that case

gusty crypt
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The prim is kinda the point of the team so rather not that, bolt to kingambit makes sense

tender pecan
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also perhaps ddance pult could be another setup sweeper?

tender pecan
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it gives it real threat potential as a sweeper

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I'd also maybe run draining kiss for recovery but thays up to you

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you can have lefties instead of draining kiss

gusty crypt
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Good points 🙂

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I had a specs prim in a team and it destroyed mons so I liked it

tender pecan
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specs prim is fine as a cleaner thats hard to ohko but its not the thing is wants to do on a team like this

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also tusk is good but its bulk up set is better here

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again, you want setup sweepers for a team like this

gusty crypt
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Yeah that sort of role-thinking is exactly where I struggle with my lack of experience

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Do you want mostly setup sets in HO?

tender pecan
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oh and last change, while I do feel primarina isn't necessary here but if you do want to keep it, then Iron valaint or ogerpon could be swapped for a lead

tender pecan
tender pecan
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you don't have to use it but you get the general idea

gusty crypt
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Oh haha maybe I’ll revamp it a bit, more used to seeing BO or Balace teams

tender pecan
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you can make this BO too

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what do you want to use

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because primarina is best on BO

gusty crypt
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Prim was the main point and Ogerpon just seems busted to me

tender pecan
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hmmm ok

gusty crypt
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AV prim set?

tender pecan
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av prim set or calm mind

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I prefer calm mind but up to you

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ogerpon can be your pivot instead in that case

gusty crypt
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Should I switch to the mono grass ogerpon then

tender pecan
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if you wanna use BO, I'd make the same changes with the choice users but Iron Valiant isn't, yknow, bulky

tender pecan
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grasspon is strictly worse

gusty crypt
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Oh, I wonder why I have seen some sample teams with grasspon then

tender pecan
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grasspon is specific

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anyway, uhh what I'd say is decide whether you want BO or HO and we can work from there

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you can mold this team into both

gusty crypt
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Hmm lets do HO as that is something I want to learn to play

tender pecan
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only issue with ribombee is that it can fumble against some opposing leads

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especially deo speed who shuts it with taunt

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so you can swap that out for rocks HO

gusty crypt
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How do you keep them from spinning webs?

tender pecan
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generally that shouldn't be an issue

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the point of webs is that it gives you tempo

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they can come in and try to spin them away but you're faster and can take them out quickly

gusty crypt
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Ah

tender pecan
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you can run tera ghost on some things if you want to tho

gusty crypt
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Yeah thats what i was thinking

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What would be a good rocks lead?

tender pecan
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these are just my recommendations tho but there's people in this thread much more experienced than me so if you want to wait for them to respond you can

tender pecan
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those are your two best ones for HO

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each with ups and downs

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deoxys is the fastest mon thats legal, has taunt to shut down other leads, but is also frail and if it can't get up rocks its dead weight

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glimm can get more assured value thanks to toxic debris, and it can spin hazards away itself, but is much slower and is reliant on a focus sash

frail gazelle
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tender pecan
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idk if I'd have both Ting Lu and Skarm but eh

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they're not bad together

gentle venture
tender pecan
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fair enough but thats one matchup and I feel scald burns are more useful on the myriad of physical attackers in this tier

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granted scald means you are walled by waterpon so thats fair

gentle venture
# tender pecan alternatively there's better unaware mons

so ı did take a look at other unaware mons clodsire would be food for taunt mons since its pretty passive dondozo or skeledirge seems as good candidates dondozo seems as best since good bulk and typing with actual offensive pressure however ım kinda concerned about type overlap skeledirge again good bulk will o wisp and serviceable offense however it cant switch into much with ease since most offense mons has earthquake and knock off

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sorry for late answer so which one is better

tender pecan
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I prefer skelidirge but you can wait for a second opinion

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it has a bit more wallbreaking potential and has instant recovery with slack off, and torch song can really be threatening

gentle venture
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thx what should be the tera type btw

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fairy seems decent

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ı would go with water but raging bolt would be a problem

tender pecan
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fairy is good

dusky kindle
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Yo wtf lotta teams in here

dusky kindle
dusky kindle
dusky kindle
# frail gazelle https://pokepast.es/ccc46f2d7c871ea0

This is a really fat team which gives you a lot of blanket checks to the whole meta but idk if you are making enough progress with it. With weavile and Zamazenta as your main attackers you will struggle into stuff like Corviknight and Skarmory with helmet as well as opposing zamazenta. In general with all of your defensive guys it feels like you could fit another offensive pokemon. Skarm and Glowking both have recovery so Alomomola is not as needed with its wish support. An offensive sub for alo could be primarina. Alternatively something like substitute serperior or boots kyurem could be fun

quick bluff
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I think tera ghost weavile would also let you break through skarm and corv far better, I disagree with tera ice on this build

dusky kindle
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I mean you still take like 1000000% from helmet either way

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dusky kindle
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What's the plan for sticky web?

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Like what does it benefit exactly

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Feel like the only thing it does is make booster valiant slower than wake

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But using a whole Mon just for that?

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If you wanna keep webs you can def make wake the 252 spA variant so you get booster spA

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Booster spA + specs in sun sounds insane with webs

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Otherwise the main thing I see is tusk leading off against you and getting a kill with headlong rush

stone onyx
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stone onyx
dusky kindle
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I think if you keep webs you should commit to it

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If not then you should just swap him out for a better pokemon

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You already have two strong pokemon to break and or sweep

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Can just make the last slot roaring moon with knock off

stone onyx
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moon is always nice, ill consider it over vanny

stone onyx
dusky kindle
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Mm nah

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You already hit so hard

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If glowking or something is coming in just pivot to gouging fire

stone onyx
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thats fair, ty

cinder oasis
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Its good?

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Its my First team
I made

spiral fable
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These mons aren’t OU for a reason: they are niche/not good for OU proper, and I would not recommend using them for teams, especially if you’re new to team building

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These sets aren’t that good either: like Trailblaze Cinderace without Court Change or Uturn, boots Kingambit that’s not on hstack balance, lefties Horoark with Grass Knot, etc

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Unfortunately, this team isn’t very good: I would recommend playing around in the tier more to get a good grasp of common cores/team structures, then giving team building another shot

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The samples are a good place to find well-built teams to ladder with, link here

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!gen9ousamples

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cinder oasis
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Um

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UU mons are bad mons?

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@spiral fable

spiral fable
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They’re UU for a reason

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For example, Excadrill is the highest ranked mon in UU, but finds itself almost entirely outclassed in OU due to sand being much worse, its spinning niche being taken by Great Tusk, struggling into a lot of the bulkier physical walls like Lando T or Dondozo, etc

cinder oasis
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Ok

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@spiral fable the smogon teams in site are good or its better to try create a moveset?

spiral fable
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The smogon teams are usually very well optimized

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And the sets on their smogon pages are usually the best for them

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I wouldn’t recommend trying to create a moveset if you’re not very experienced

cinder oasis
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Ok, thank you again

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You can Help me to choose pokémons to my team?

spiral fable
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I would recommend running a sample for now, since it seems you are relatively new to the tier

cinder oasis
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What is a sample

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I got one fron the link above

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Ill try use it

craggy atlas
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is this anything

frail gazelle
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It’s insanely weak to hazards if they ever get up

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Hamurott can ruin this team

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It’s also really weak offensively

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For example, Hatterene is walled by Dondozo and isn’t that threatening if it doesn’t snowball

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Serperior gets walled by some common Pokémon like Skarmory

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And raging bolt is more of a cleaner

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Slowking galar’s future sight also lacks synergisers

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I would suggest adding adequate hazard control like bootspam, rapid spin or even defog

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You should also build around only one of the mons, for example slowking galar has great synergy with Kyurem

craggy atlas
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i see

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i've been told i should build around a core rather than a single mon

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which ig you meant with kyurem and glowking

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the idea with this team was to use serp to pressure out grass resists, and kill them with bolt

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hatt is there just to block hazards and maintain momentum

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its not really meant to be a setup sweeper but i can see why you'd think that

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also how should i make my team's offense better

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i get that serp can be walled but everything's walled by something

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gusty crypt
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How dumb is this?

dusky kindle
# craggy atlas also how should i make my team's offense better

Serps main counters are things like skeledirge, clodsire, and faster revenge killers. Bolt doesn't do much to these guys apart from thunderclap so I would try to patch that up. You have a lot of leftovers here which I can get pairs with hatt but hatt isn't that reliable at anti hazard with Samurott around. I suggest you swap in some boots, change hat to something that can pressure clod and dirge more while adding some nice speed control, like Dragapult with twave or Ogerpon-Wellspring with U-turn and encore.

fiery sapphire
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Skeledirge is still good in ou?

dusky kindle
fathom wraith
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other than that its fine right?

dusky kindle
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Yeah it's not bad, mola + Hoopa is a great time

fathom wraith
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yea

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lando is good with that core too right

dusky kindle
# gusty crypt https://pokepast.es/0596f334509c51bf

Best physical wall, best special wall, best mixed wall, best special attacker, best physical attacker, and court change ace. Can't go wrong lol. That being said you're a bit slow, things like dragapult will cause issues. Not sure what id change tho except maybe shadow ball on blissey over seismic toss

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Yeah landos always good

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Esp with U-turn combo

dusky kindle
dusky kindle
fiery sapphire
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The croc keeps finding its way back into ou, this makes me happy

tender pecan
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its certainly one of the better non OU pokemon in the tier

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its just a defensive mon that can burn stuff and has potential firepower with torch song boosts + hex

shrewd flax
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I like this team, wanted to build around Rillaboom and I think he pairs well with raging bolt, I’ve been experimenting a lot with the other teammates though

tender pecan
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this seems ok

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I'd personally run surf over psychic noise on calm mind prim tho

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and as a result swap to torrent

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surf gives you that extra punch, and if you fall to 1/3 it becomes significantly stronger as well

ruby crest
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Psychic noise serves as its water stab as well as a way to be a huge nuisance to stall for this team

tender pecan
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true but for a calm mind bulky sweeper set surf might be a bit more useful

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both work

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it just depends what you want

ruby crest
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Psychic noise is generally better here since the stall mu is awkward without it

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Tho realistically this should also be Tera ghost

tender pecan
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it is just personal preference on my end both are valid

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hydro pump is there too if you're feeling ballsy but eh

ruby crest
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wouldn’t run it on bulky cm

tender pecan
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yeah, its better on specs sets

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cause you're trying to stick around on a calm mind set you'd rather have spammable water stab

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its an option tho

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regardless yeah I don't see any, overbearing weaknesses

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oh, swap earthquake on tusk for headlong rush

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cause grassy terrain weakens eq

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unless you're using ice spinner to get rid of it

ruby crest
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Ngl

ruby crest
tender pecan
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they did say the point was rilla

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so I think its best to keep it

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and build around it

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man if only sneasler was still around

spiral fable
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Let Tyson give his rate

ruby crest
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I mean if you go rilla you usually go offensive not necessarily Bo

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If thats the case the I say we change prima and gking here

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but that’s also up to you if you are wanting to go since rilla usually thrives is grassy terrain offense hell even grass spam

shrewd flax
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Not sure who I would replace him for though

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Regardless, thanks for the advice guys!

ruby crest
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This team wants speed control tbh

ruby crest
shrewd flax
ruby crest
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Ideally depending on which one you go you should make raging bolt specs since you do need an immediate breaker now

shrewd flax
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If I go with, say, specs pult would bolt also need to be specs or would that be fine

ruby crest
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I’m not a huge fan of specs pult if anything I prefer cb

shrewd flax
ruby crest
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You could test it out and see how that goes

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junior harness
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Ok, so this is one of my first OU teams, am I cooking? I wanna try bulky offense, but I am pretty sure that’s not how you are supposed to make bulky offense.

ruby crest
junior harness
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Well I kinda built this from scratch

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Slapped on a bunch of stuff I find viable

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I probably will need some hazards and maybe taunt/knock off

ruby crest
junior harness
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And speaking of pult I have problems with it

ruby crest
junior harness
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But where do I put them tho

ruby crest
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wym

junior harness
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I tried a few games and I am getting owned by drag

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And I later ran into the wrong gambit Tera type

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The ev spread on gambit is kinda random

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So yea

delicate shale
ruby crest
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just use that team it has a similar structure to urs already, unless the team sample is also struggling with drag, which the team shouldnt necessarily with bulky gambit, heatran, and even then pult doesnt even come in on anything freely

delicate shale
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Oh shit, mb

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Sry for barging in

junior harness
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Hmmm

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Ok ima try, tho I kinda wanna optimize this team too

ruby crest
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like i said i was going to optimize it and then realized that team is pretty much identical or similar optimization

ruby crest
delicate shale
ruby crest
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anything in mind or something you feel lack lustered?

spiral fable
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i dont think ghold fits on this team

ruby crest
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ghold and somewhat kyurem, not a fan of dd kyurem these days

delicate shale
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Encore on val feels extra

spiral fable
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might want to also run calm mind psyshock shadow ball val instead of tbolt cc encore? forces tera on stall

ruby crest
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i was thinking making this cm sub ival yeh

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psyshock sball was thinking more sball and aura tho i guess hurting clod immediately is a plus

spiral fable
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aura still does nothing into blissey

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and yeah clod eats val without psyshock

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you can pair this with taunt rmoon

ruby crest
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but yeh psyshock makes more sense here

spiral fable
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252 SpA Iron Valiant Aura Sphere vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 146-174 (22.3 - 26.6%) -- 19.2% chance to 4HKO
+1 252 SpA Iron Valiant Aura Sphere vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 218-258 (33.4 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 SpA Iron Valiant Aura Sphere vs. +1 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 146-174 (22.3 - 26.6%) -- 19.2% chance to 4HKO

ruby crest
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what is blissey going to do to you when u tera ghost tho...

delicate shale
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+1 4hp?

spiral fable
ruby crest
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blissey run cm

ruby crest
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smh

spiral fable
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nah its popping up again

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newest iteration of muk stall has it

ruby crest
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i believe it

spiral fable
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also has pex

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(which is also popping back up on stall)

ruby crest
spiral fable
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hater...

ruby crest
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but yeh guess we can do psyshock here

ruby crest
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@spiral fable i realized going roaring moon here is basically 3 dark spam ho

spiral fable
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i mean ho without rmoon just kinda feels wrong tho

ruby crest
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i mean not every ho needs moon

spiral fable
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you cant deny it doesnt fit well here tho

ruby crest
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it does fit well here

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but then we just have dark spam ho with deos > glimm and i val > enam

spiral fable
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

ruby crest
delicate shale
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Also

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Here's another team

ruby crest
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but yeah my advise is one make this deos tera ghost, you can try knock > skill swap, id zama > kyurem, cm ival > mixed encore, and replace dengo with moon, tho if you really arent up for ur team to be somewhat similar to a sample you can do great tusk or iron moth

spiral fable
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as a general rule of thumb we don't like to rate multiple teams from the same person in a short period of time

delicate shale
white portal
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do ya'll do SV doubles OU rates

ruby crest
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This is for singles there’s a double threads

white portal
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oh yeah i see that now thnaks

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*thanks

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gentle venture
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any more advice

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oh by the way that alo set is for waterpon

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ı ran with tera bug heatran cause it give me a better matchup against kyurem other than kyurem didnt had any problem with another SPA substitue is here as setting a sub on passive threat gives me a turn to burn switching strong physical attackers without burning my tera

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liq voice primarina is a great stall breaker and ı ran energy ball as ı cant touch mirror primarina and other water types otherwise

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my main question about this team is the last slot tbh since my main problem while submitting this team was HO ting lu is pretty good as a wall but should ı ran it or the skeledirge ım still not so sure about it

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TLDR should the last slot be ting lu or skeledirge

hushed lynx
gentle venture
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some people run cere with endure weakness policy sets btw

tender pecan
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Scarf enam usually isn't on HO

shrewd trench
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Is there any pokemon I have to be worried about?

tender pecan
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wellspring might give you a bit of trouble if it gets going

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uhhh

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also out of curiosity how come no magic guard clef

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you're stacking boots so might as well make clef magic guard too no?

shrewd trench
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I was just a bit worried of sweepers I guess

tender pecan
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Fair enough but I think you have plenty of countermeasure to sweeping attempts

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You have 3 status inducers and priority

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All 3 of those statuses can stop sweeps

spiral fable
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Unaware clef is a noob trap

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Never use it

tender pecan
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yeah

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there's better unaware mons

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its why clefs fake magic guard is a meme

cloud gull
spiral fable
# hushed lynx https://pokepast.es/3906ed32d3170e7e ceruledge ho, any ideas?

Scarf Enamorus isn't good on most HO (and you don't really have a reason to use it here since most of your sweepers are one and done mons)
Gholdengo is too slow for Glimm HO, and you don't really need to maintain your hazards as much as other HO styles like webs do so its less necessary
I would drop Gholdengo for Roaring Moon: it's a powerful wallbreaker that's a staple on HO for a reason
And you can keep Enamorus, I would just change it to its Calm Mind Boots set

cloud gull
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legit leads and clicks buttons

spiral fable
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vk are you just rating yubins?

cloud gull
cloud gull
spiral fable
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aight

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you wanna take hyperlink as well or

cloud gull
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Nty

spiral fable
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Lol aight ill take it then

cloud gull
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I would also change Ceru to something like Zama

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but it's fine

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Actually not really u need a Gambit switch lol

cloud gull
spiral fable
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o i was about to get to it o well

cloud gull
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I recommend using a sample balance but if u wanna use that I would go boots on tusk , boots on mola , slowking galar over heatran , pult over primarina and skarmory over Zama

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tbh I would use something else over tusk here but tusk works

spiral fable
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!gen9ousamples

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spiral fable
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link to samples is here

gentle venture
cloud gull
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nws

shrewd trench
spiral fable
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No you have a lot more problems than just that

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Check vk’s post

vast kestrel
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cloud gull
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also I recommend fire spin for the volcanion for the stall matchup

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fire spin steam ep taunt

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also make it ID corv over brave bird

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And make it faster than adamant gambit

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That Is 200 speed

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tender pecan
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Well

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That roaring moon ev spread and set explains a lot

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Just run 252 attack and speed with adamant since this is sticky webs

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Earthquake instead of brick break

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Boom

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Standard sweeper roaring

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If you want dragon stab you can use dragon claw but then you can't hit kingambit

wise knot
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it was first used on the Exotic Webs team

tender pecan
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oh so it is a set that exists then

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mb

analog saffron
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havent seen this spread before = it must be shit 😂

dusky kindle
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so real for that

tender pecan
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anything I make is good

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everything else is bad

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😎

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I'm simply the greatest pokemon player of all time

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I was there when they made mewtwo in a lab and I was like, actually give that shitter more base speed

shrewd flax
tender pecan
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oh yeah prove it

in mortal kombat

shrewd flax
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https://pokepast.es/5afb8471dbd5a50d My second attempt at a Tauros-P offense team. Thought the mon would be cool since its stats are pretty good by OU standards and it can check Kingambit. Selected Meow as a parter to handle bulky waters. Iron Crown handles fairy types, Ribombee leads, and can setup a future sight for Tauros-P to take advantage of. Cinderace is for hazard control. Lando-T for rocks support + can loop intimidates with Tauros-P. Deo-S is used for speed control.

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dusky kindle
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Like primarina for example comes in so free on tauros and just moonblasts draining kiss or surf

delicate shale
dusky kindle
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Course you got crown but I just think meow is not doing what you want. Woudl suggest leaning more into the bulky offense aspect with something like rillaboom, can help your tauros double up on recovery while pressuring water types a bit better. Also a great check to ogerpon w which can boost up on tauros or encore it

dusky kindle
delicate shale
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General stuff

quick bluff
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sun
tried to find an answer to tusk and gouging fire.... found cresselia 🔥

pseudo yacht
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https://pokepast.es/ee1e9bdf37788bca
fairly new to team building and im trying to practice with it and get better before i try any comp stuff so be brutally honest if im making any mistakes

delicate shale
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Where tf do I start

spiral fable
pseudo yacht
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😭

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which is the best?

spiral fable
# pseudo yacht 😭

All of your sets are unviable: for example, the Glimmora EV spread doesn't do anything for it (since it drops in 1-2 hits to most things anyways) + screens glimmora just isn't good and you need those moveslots for something else, you don't have either of glimora's required moves (power gem + mortal spin)
meanwhile, cloyster isn't very good in OU in general as sash is easy to break througuh hazards while it gets hard walled by the bulkier physical mons of the tier
Iron Moth is alright but you don't want to run either Bug Buzz or Fire Blast on it, as Bug Buzz hits nothing (and you need that slot for coverage) while Fiery Dance is the better fire stab for the chance of a boost
Garchomp isn't very good on HO in genreal since it has no reliable way to boost its speed + is outclassed by better sweepers like Rmoon, but this set also forgoes any way of boosting its attack (which it should have, as a sweeper on HO), and Crunch is not a necessary attack for it as it hits nothing important
Sash gambit is similarly bad as well, especially since you're bringing it in lategame so there's usualy hazards up already + your iv spread is bad as gambit needs to run SOME speed to outspeed certain mons (you can find its set on its smogon page), and shadow claw is bad since kowtow cleave is objectively better + hits everything shadow claw would
Hawlucha is only good on Grassy Terrain teams, and this set is unviable as Hawlucha isn't bulky enough to use roost + focus punch is an unviable move and high jump kick is worse, unreliable stab compared to close combat

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I would recommend playing the tier first before teambuilding: its a lot eaiser to build viable teams if you know what mons are good in the meta and the common cores and team structures used

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You can find a list of good sample teams here, try some out and play around on ladder

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!gen9ousamples

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delicate shale
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Bro cooked

pseudo yacht
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thank you, it’s been a min since i’ve tried pokemon online and im not really familiar with newer metas
this is also just very helpful advice in general, i’ll try making a new team with some different mons cause that seems like the main issue here

spiral fable
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The bigger issue is that you just don't know the meta

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Which is why I'm recommending taking a sample team and laddering with that first, because you can build as many teams as you want but if you don't know the meta all of them will be bad

delicate shale
pseudo yacht
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kyurem hate based

quick bluff
elfin jungle
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how can I make this better? (more offensive and consistent)

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is it worth keeping tusk, replacing him, or replacing a move like knock or spinner over cc

hollow bloom
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Specifically on a veil team

spiral fable
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Choiced mons are bad on HO in general, as they're a lot easier to play around

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You don't need hazards on HO, and if you want to run Tusk run the BU speed booster set

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Gambit is fine though I would recommend dropping Iron Head for Kowtow Cleave, and swapping to Tera Flying/Fair

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Drop Moth for Ddance Kyurem, it takes advantage of Veil really well, run its smogon set

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I'm not a fan of Ogerpon here as it has no way to boost speed so it gets outspeed by a lot, I would recommend swapping it out for Roaring Moon

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Val is fine just make it Calm Mind Psyshock Shadow Ball Moonblast with Tera Ghost

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Where is everyone

clear sentinel
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https://pokepast.es/22722c0fbe9fc73b i made this team built around banded entei and its working fine but looking at it i team builder i have no moves supereffective against water so i will get completely walled by dondozo

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how can i change it?

gentle venture
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unaware mons dont calc the opposing mons stat changes so maybe draco meteor spam could help too

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if you have too much problem with them maybe some mold breaker mon or waterpon would hard counter it

clear sentinel
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cool thanks

gentle venture
clear sentinel
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oke

weary crypt
clear sentinel
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oh wait thats good i forgot it learns that

dusky kindle
# delicate shale General stuff

I'm assuming you went rotom h as a kyurem switch in but idk if it's worth it even in that role. Still takes a ton from Draco meteor for example. If you want a defensive fire type I would say skeledirge is probably your best bet. Otherwise the main thing I notice is 3x tera water which probably isn't needed. Maybe change clef to steel or something

delicate shale
dusky kindle
dusky kindle
# delicate shale I'm using rotom h for fun

Ok so if you really want to use rotom h then I would lean more offensive. Not a lot likes switching in to overheat and whatever does you can just volt switch on. I would say like max special attack and speed timid with shadow ball as a third attack for Dragapult.

dusky kindle
dusky kindle
# delicate shale https://pokepast.es/576d28e0f13f6e21

You really want hazard control with specs kyurem so I would try to fit in cinderace here. Honestly shares some traits with both Meowscarada and heatran so idk which one to switch. Probably both honestly and put a different rocker in

spiral fable
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None of the mold breaker mons are viable right now and waterpon itself is not a counter to Dondozo

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Acid Spray Gking is also not a viable set

gentle venture
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ah sorry ı know mold breakers are not viable but doesnt the smogon dondozo set runs only waterfall

spiral fable
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No?

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Dondozo often runs Body Press, or even Avalanche

gentle venture
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ok then ı will be carfeul about it in the future

spiral fable
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It’s good that you’re willing to help out but please only give advice if you can build/play the tier at a high level

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quick bluff
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has a good typing and ability and good physical bulk

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and reallly good recovery in sun