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fierce basin
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And this latias set imo only really works on screens

fallow olive
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fair

pseudo canyon
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finally crawled to my pc so I can reply to this instead of wasting time typing it on my phone
instead of thinking in terms of cores, you're better off looking at the top used mons. Your team as it is feels weak to raging bolt, the third most used mon in ou, since your only thunderclap resist was latias which doesn't do anything back to it.
I removed latias as it doesn't really fit with this team. Bit of a niche pick but I replaced it with mixed dd kyurem as it's something that both resists thunderclap from raging bolt and can immediately threaten it even if it has calm minded (unlike latias which would have to set up and burn tera) since it looked like a problem mon for the team. dd with freeze dry lets you break past would be checks like dondozo for your other physical guys.
I swapped hatt's set for the previously stated reasons, it's now calm mind with more bulk
I replaced heavy slam w sub on zamazenta and swapped it out for the bulkier variant because I'm paranoid of endgame kingambit and I think this helps with it
updated paste https://pokepast.es/ced4583b2f4f2da1
other options:
psyshock on hatt over psychic
3 attack ghold instead of recover, or a bulkier spread to take advantage of recover
if you feel fairy weak you can swap back to the heavy slam zama set
hope this helps good luck have fun

fallow olive
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ty!!!!

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and you're definitely right on looking at top used over cores lol

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will be keeping that kyurem name lol

fierce basin
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oop, I copy pasted it from my own builder and usually forget to remove the nickname

fallow olive
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lol

fierce basin
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I understand that you're putting in assault vest hamurott because I said the team was weak to ghold, but it doesn't have the same sort of longevity as the rest of this team which operates under the assumption max layers will be going down. av hamurott will come in and take too much from hazards to do its job over the course of the game, you get what I mean? Boots weavile was better since it can at least come in multiple times to do its job despite hazards going up

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you can try it I guess but like I said I'd go with the original sample team

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sullen turtle
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# sullen turtle stall team lol https://pokepast.es/5969a63a6cc8268e

this is not a stall team
a stall team is made up of 5-6 heavily defensive mons that rely on outlasting their opponents
this is at best a weird balance team
furthermore, these teammates dont synergize together well at all
None of these sets work except the zamazenta 4 attack set and theres no real structure to this team

I would recommend you run a sample team for now, to learn the metagame, common team structures, and sets used on the common mons. You can find them at the link bellow, and if you want an example of a well-built stall team you can try out the hydrapple stall

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!gen9ousamples

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pseudo canyon
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fierce basin
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all you did was take the iron boulder h.o sample and replaced glimmora with bolt. if you want something to change change it back to the original

pseudo canyon
real willow
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chill bro

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it's a friday night

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let ppl live their life

pseudo canyon
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glacial crag
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made a team and I was wondering if it seemed decent

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glacial crag
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should I try replacing Garg with ZamaZenta or Corviknight?

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or maybe T Landrus

surreal bloom
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It still looks usable eh

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I don’t see what it’s super weak to

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after the new dlc mons

glacial crag
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I tried making the team at like 1:30 AM last night so I thought it was a pretty solid team but you never know

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I was kind of tired

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maybe I should use iron moth instead of Vol?

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but then it will be weak to hazards

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after testing it out, I think Garg might be the weak point

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i’ll try replacing it with Land and see how it goes

fierce basin
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meta now has clef in it clicking knock putting up rocks so your volc is gonna swap in and lose boots (or get t waved) or ghold is losing balloon. Now that knock is more widely distributed weavile is a pokemon again and it has great coverage vs all your guys since the only 2 not weak to it cant afford to lose their items. Your volcarona is jolly

real willow
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jolly volc?

fierce basin
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same knock issue is applicable to rillaboom. Original team ran wisp volc to not get smoked by roaring moon

fierce basin
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"now before I start I know you guys are questioning why the title has jolly volcarona,lemme explain why:ITS CUZ ITS PHYSICAL VOLC! nah jk,its cuz i just put jolly on volc by mistake over timid when i was laddering and got #4(2023) with and no this wasnt a one off scenario,i swear i have done this by mistake so many times this gen that I have used jolly volc more than timid xD,anyways with this aside lets start of with the rmt!"

glacial crag
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in my defense, I was pretty tired

glacial crag
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would that make things a bit more balanced?

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or does it still suffer from the same problem?

fierce basin
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Then you're even weaker to the clef and weavile I said you were weak to

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So I would scrap

glacial crag
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damn

fierce basin
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Taking off volc from this 6 would also make you 1 mon off getting smashed by zamazenta

storm frigate
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Made this sun team how can I optimize it better is there a mon I should replace with another

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fierce basin
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spiral fable
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4 of these mons arent ou, plates arent used by most mons, gliscor never wants to use gunk shot as it already has eq and sub gliscor wants to run setup moves, you have no hazards or hazard removal + theres no real structure to this team

I would recommend you run a sample team for now to learn the viable mons and common team structures of the meta, you can find them here

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!gen9ousamples

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ocean pumice
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please delete this 🔥 and use the ou sun sample team instead

storm frigate
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Thank you

ocean pumice
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on each

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so u can know why

storm frigate
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Yeah you can

ocean pumice
# storm frigate Yeah you can
  • torkoal lacks sr and solar beam is bad
  • wake: likes to lower its spatk a bit so protosynthesis procs on speed
  • idk about offensive sun on tusk but defensive is definitely a waste of sun turns
  • on the topic of wasting sun turns thats why lando-t and iron val are bad on sun cause theyre just a waste of sun turns and dont really bring any unique support to a team that a sun mon cant
  • gouging set is severely lacking in power
spiral fable
# stone dagger https://pokepast.es/666cf59e68cc3980 🥺

Alright, this team has quite a few problems
You seem to have gone for a hazard spam team, but are missing a few crucial components.
Sinistcha just doesn't work. Why is it here? What does it do that you can't do with a mon like Hatterene or Dirge?
This team has 0 pivots. While hazard stack doesn't necessarily need to stack pivots, at least having 1-2 is nice for keeping up momentum, which this team struggles with.
Gholdengo will struggle to prevent hazard removal by itself, especially since you aren't running air balloon meaning you can't blank eqs from tusk or treads, and you have no mon like Skarmory to punish spinners
Hamurott really does not work on this team: no hazard removal means hamurott can switch in like 3 times before dying from the chip, and you have better knockers in meow/weavile
Gouging Fire is an alright lategame cleaner but imo kingambit would be much better, especially for the offense matchup
Why does clef have sticky barb
This team doesn't really work together well: You have a hazard spam team but you don't have a lot of ways to keep them up, no reliable breakers to force a lot of progress(ghold is already struggling to kekep up with the hazard removal and you struggle into common defensive mons like ting lu and gliscor), and a few mons that just don't work on this team

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I would recommend running a sample team for now to learn how to build hazard stack: https://pokepast.es/77abcfc2f9418a52 is Mimikyu's Hazard Stack team, which provides a pretty good example on hstack

torn island
stone dagger
spiral fable
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it gets knocked once and then struggles hard to keep up

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with your only form of recovery being strength sap, which ironically can be blocked by ghold(which is another mon your team struggles with as it can keep coming in and clicking shadow ball for free while chipping down hamurott with hazards)

fierce basin
# pseudo canyon can anybody rate my team (and also tell me what i need to fix) https://pokepast....

okay,
this team has 4 members weak to weavile, scarily weak to speed booster bulk up tusk since it hits everything super effectively once balloon is popped and outspeeds enamorus if it spins, and simultaneously somehow seems gliscor weak. Lando can taunt min speed gliscor but doesn't really do anything back. AND my final nitpick with this team is opposing roaring moon scares me if it gets to dd and turn into a bird type, it too kills everything. In order to try to fix these issues I'd make the following changes:
Replace dd roaring moon for a kingambit on a balloon. Roaring moon doesn't fit very well on a momentum based team like this since it really only comes in once. This walls weavile aswell as most roaring moon sets unless you run into a guy running brick break specifically for you but that's rare. This also blanks mono eq gliscor as long as you keep your balloon intact
Replace ghold with wisp hex pult, you don't have hazards of your own to keep up with ghold, gives you a new faster mon that can spread status and maintain momentum
Replace lando with iron defense zamazenta, this stops you from getting 6-0d by speed booster bulk up tusk, helps with weavile, and the sub set helps with gliscor aswell.
I also changed your cinderace EVs to be bulkier
now that your team is faster overall I'm going with sub cm enamorus over your scarf one so you aren't as 6-0d by cm raging bolt. can reverse if u don't like this
here is the updated paste https://pokepast.es/b716f0a8642513cb
other options:
4 attack zamazenta over iron defense so you can set up a future sight and then chilly reception into zama to threaten something
dual status pult over uturn if you feel like an evil person

hope this helps, good luck and have fun
PS don't repost your team repeatedly please just because we don't answer right away. we are capable of scrolling up. I've been staring at it for days it just took me awhile to figure out how to fix all the issues that spooked me without telling you to scrap it

brazen latch
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Wow, you guys are awesome. I appreciate what you’re doing here. Your passion is inspiring.

dense gull
spiral fable
dense gull
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I just think they have potential

brazen latch
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If it’s stupid then no need to go in depth

spiral fable
# brazen latch I’m very new to this game lol, thoughts? https://pokepast.es/10680cfd47a40b6f

Alright, looks like this is a HO team but some of these mons and sets dont work
Lead Deoxys Speed is fine: however, it should be running either a hazards or screens set. I would recommend the Hazard Lead set for this team(you can find it on smogon through this link https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/deoxys-speed/), though screens could also work
Lando and Kyurem don't really work on HO as sweepers: If you really want to run Kyurem you should run the dragon dance loaded dice set, though imo that only works on snow veil teams with Atales. I would recommend dropping both for more fitting sweepers, like Iron Valiant(for immediate speed and encore) and Kingambit(sucker punch lategame)
Ogerpon got a nice resurgance after Archaludon got banned, but its heavily strapped for moveslots. Trailblaze is alright but you still get outsped at +1 by threats like Iron Valiant, speed boosting Roaring Moon, and you don't have the coverage to hit the dragons. I would drop Trailblaze for a more reliable grass stab (Horn Leech for longevity, Power Whip for immediate pressure + hitting opposing Wellsprings), and Play Rough instead of Knock Off so you can hit the many dragon types in the tier.

brazen latch
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Roger and screenshotted. Merci monsieur/mademoiselle.

spiral fable
# torn island https://pokepast.es/ef65cfb24dec1b7b I'm at around 14-1500 with this, but I don'...

If you're running sun, you should fully dedicate to the style
Drop Volcarona, if you want a special sweeper in sun you have raging bolt(which also helps your rain matchup)
Drop Latios, you don't need a special dragon pivot when you have walking wake, replace it with Eject Button hatterene so you haev a pivot out of torkoal + healing wish support lategame
Swap Wake to a specs set, if you want speed just run speed booster you would rather have the power outside of sun instead of the speed
Why are you running defiant vest gambit? If you want to run gambit run air balloon/lefties/lum/black glasses with supreme overlord
Why are you running booster tusk on a sun team? Sun also just has better options in general, I would drop Tusk for Gouging Fire, with the ddance morning sun heat crash set with boots and attack booster

pseudo canyon
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fast quail
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hi

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this is kind of my first serious team ever, i´ve tried to play before, never rella get into it, now i want to learn hoy to play well, so any advice will be welcome

real willow
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I will say

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not related to your team

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but these are useful to look at if you're new to competitive Pokemon

fast quail
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ok, i´ll take a look, but i´m also interested in see how far am i from a consistent teambuilding

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btw, i already changed the tera-electric from dragapult, now is just ghost

ocean pumice
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oops

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accidentally sent too early

lament niche
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https://pokepast.es/9f655e15dbd82118 im not builder i build like one good time every 100 shit teams i started sv ou again since the meta was dlcless, i dont dislike the team but mus like dozo and garga make me hate myself help improving rn im stuck in the high 1600 low 1700s

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# lament niche https://pokepast.es/9f655e15dbd82118 im not builder i build like one good time ...

alright,
on top of the garg you're complaining about and the tusk you say you're weak to in your pokepaste title, you're also too weak to gliscor imo.
first off imo if you're gonna run rillaboom you should take advantage of your terrain. For this reason I'm replacing moltres with a grassy seed hatterene, this gives you a gliscor switchin and lets you take boots off some of your other pokemon (gambit)
Your rillaboom spread is weird for AV, tbh I think band here is fine, maybe even better than extender, and we just make your glowking spdef
replacing the scarf wake with waterpon, this beats garg unless it turn into something weird, and if it turns into something weird like grass you beat it with glowking because you have sludge/future sight.
I'm making this tusk speed booster bulk up, gives a bit of speed control and keeps the kingambit matchup less spooky imo because you bulk up the first turn incase it teras.
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/507c93300bbdc6f5
other options:
encore over play rough on waterpon. play rough makes you unwallable with all the dragons in the tier but encore would make it so you never ever lose to garg, because you can just go to glowking, troll a bit and chilly reception out. If it clicks a useless move, encore. if not go back to glowking and repeat the process til it clicks something like curse/recover that you can come in and encore to force it out
hope this helps, good luck and have fun

modest cargo
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https://pokepast.es/d5b6bc9ba49e15f2
Basically golem is a placeholder for other options since it doesn't serve a lot in this team except correct placement and stealth rocks (and garganacl does a better job anyways)
I'm also not sure about the armarouge spread, it's made to outspeed dragapult but idk if there's other threats i should be aware of with this

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(psyspam btw)

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Idk which archetypes i'm weak to, and if iron crown is a good solution here for example

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I'd like to have some advices since lots of people say i'm tunnel visioning whenever i'm focusing on an archetype

lethal pelican
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https://pokepast.es/649b21f607aee0c7
So I have this team wich I actually really like, but I just feel that glimmora doesn't fit in anymore, for most battles I just use it to have a free switch in and thats it, so I kinda want to change it but i don't know with what exactly

fierce basin
modest cargo
fierce basin
# lethal pelican https://pokepast.es/649b21f607aee0c7 So I have this team wich I actually really ...

instead of changing glimmora for a different mon, lets try changing the moveslot to actually pose a threat as a suicide lead
raging bolt is too slow, you have terablast water but you're outpaced by lando and gliscor. Gave you enough speed for at least 0 speed gliscor and stuff creeping it
kingambit should be low kick instead of low sweep, the stuff you click low kick on is heavy so it's stronger than low sweep. Zen headbutt isn't a good option, if you're trying to hit tusk it's better to just switch, made it kowtow Also putting it on a balloon
spiky shield on wogerpon is a wasted slot, made it play rough for additional coverage
I'm making valiant psyshock over encore so you can hit clodsire, as your team is very clodsire weak
I'm making volcarona an ID zama so you aren't owned by tusk
updated paste https://pokepast.es/4c5b0b8a086bfeac
other options:
encore on ogerpon over play rough
hope this helps good luck have fun

lethal pelican
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Thank you, i'll try out that team c:

random wolf
modest cargo
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Shit like boulder can work pretty well

storm frigate
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Any hyper offense team suggestions

severe violet
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modest cargo
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ah

ocean pumice
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just run maushold tho

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and dont run armarouge

modest cargo
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i actually ran maus before on psyspam, was kinda cool

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armarouge is such slow to setup

ocean pumice
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tera psychic volc i think

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surprisingly psychic bug fire is not a bad type coverage

modest cargo
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wasnt psychic volc already a thing in previous gens

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i remember some instances of that

ocean pumice
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try using more modern iterations of psypsam tho which have like crown and deo-s

modest cargo
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so rown does work in psyspam okok

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i'll need to run cm+quark drive speed right

ocean pumice
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yea

modest cargo
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ok

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modest cargo
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so yeah it won't work against hamurott

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it should be good on ladder until 1600 which isn't great but anyways

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(also yeah not stored power on crown, rather expanding force)

modest osprey
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ive been struggling into things like volcarona so idk if i swap it for tentacruel as another rapid spinner

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something else i was struggling with was other kyurem since nothing on my team resists freeze dry but idk what i could change

glacial crag
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also, rapid spin on quack seems a little weird and pointless

modest osprey
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my thought was rocky helmet skarm would punish spin not as well as a ghost type but good enough

glacial crag
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yeah, but you would still lose all of your hazards without any way to block it

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and if you want someone with rapid spin, I would probably recommend great tusk

modest osprey
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what about pult for kyurem

glacial crag
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you wouldn’t really have any sweepers then

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Drag is best for status spreading and rapid spin blocking

modest osprey
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i was thinking specs pult since glowking already has twave

glacial crag
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or maybe use one of the hazard sample teams

modest osprey
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cedar gyro
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I tried a triple scarf but idk if it works

modest cargo
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Also faced pinkacross while he has dont the suspect test and mental herb did well in this matchup

random wolf
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Especially with Scarf Substitute

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You have Spe Booster Tusk and priority attackers too
You probably don't need nearly as much speed control

pseudo canyon
ocean pumice
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not a lot of thought put into this tbh went zama to help with gambit & tran and gouging cause i thought i needed a phys sweeper

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oh ribom is supposed to be shield dust

spiral fable
spiral fable
# cedar gyro https://pokepast.es/c016f9a68df44679

Triple scarf definitely does not work especially since all three have better options for items(and none of them even outspeeds common boosted speed mons)
This team also has no real structure you kinda just slapped together 6 offensive mons(btw tusk wants to run bulk up if it’s booster speed), they don’t synergize well, tusk isn’t a good suicide lead, and ironically none of your scarfers can even do their job of, well, checking fast threats

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I would recommend using a sample team so you can learn common team structures and sets used for mons

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!gen9ousamples

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spiral fable
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For hands i thought about earthquake but it doesn't seem that good except against sun teams

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Ima try hoopa but it also gets outspeed by a lot of slow mons and has this weakness to gambit that i don't really like, even if i can pass him easily he still is a menace with a sd out

fierce basin
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no way u rated the trickroom before u crawled to my computer

spiral fable
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no im just rating it anyway

fierce basin
# modest cargo https://pokepast.es/c9f41e9d19587083 So it's a team I wanted to use against soul...

your lead hatterene is running mono walled by steel, you might aswell run mystical fire over dazzling gleam so that if hatterene is a big threat into their team you can attack for a bit before hwishing. Also changing your spread
People naturally pivot around trickroom, so locking yourself into a move with specs on enamorus is a bad idea. Changing it to cm 3 attacks, cm is nice for if you know theyre gonna try to sack a low hp mon. I'm putting boots on it but you can try stuff like Yache if you're not scared of them getting rocks up on you. Tera ground for bolt. You can try hoopa but I don't like its speed tier
sd on hands over heavy slam as previously stated
I don't like deoxys deez, I've seen people use it on trickroom but I don't really see the niche. glowking runs teleport and is already so low that running lagging tail on it for slow teleport after trickrooming is viable, and cresselia can lunar dance. I'd choose one of these over deoxys deez (I'm inserting cress). If you're gonna keep deoxys change its tera type
I guess kingambit is fine, if you wanna run a non trickroom guy there's a ladder warrior who peaks #1 with 5 trick room guys and a waterpon, I forget his name but you could try that. Maybe run low kick since you can get smoked by endgame gambit yourself if you dont keep hands
updated paste https://pokepast.es/80ec34df8602936f
hope this helps good luck have fun

modest cargo
fierce basin
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Chilly reception

modest cargo
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or i missed something

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oh ok

spiral fable
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doesnt have negative priority

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so you will go first in troom

fierce basin
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Lagging tail

spiral fable
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bruh

fierce basin
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Gives it negative priority

modest cargo
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yeah ig lagging tail is smth

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i don't like cm enamorus also since he doesnt get a lotta value with cm

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i mean at this point hoopa prob has more value then

spiral fable
# ocean pumice https://pokepast.es/308c649c797fd431

You already know sylveon is trash so im going to assume you came to terms with that
Just run full offensive ghold whats up with that ev spread, drop tera fighting for flying/fairy and make it psyshock
I would recommend the sub set for Zama with Crunch, maybe tera fire for that fucker pult
Drop gouging fire you have better options, run either roaring moon or booster raging bolt up to you though i would recommend rmoon(you can make it adamant if you want)
Make gambit tera fairy

modest cargo
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also changed gambit's tera to ground to pass raging bolt

fierce basin
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I wouldn't make that guy ground just enam

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But whatever floats your boat

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If you run hoopa just know clef is coming in on your guy and moonblasting

modest cargo
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ive faced lots of players who just keep bolt for the end to especially pass gambit

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spiral fable
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Clef, hatt, uturn corv, bulky gambit

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Idk I've played plenty of trickroom this gen and I didn't like it

modest cargo
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i saw an opportunity with deoxys having teleport and ursaluna

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i think problem is that slowking is so weak to knock off especialy with lagging tail, we can't even set trick room up

spiral fable
fierce basin
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That I have enjoyed more

modest cargo
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idk

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both are really hard to pull against band meowscarada for example

fierce basin
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Well that's a matchup fish for you

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Strong darks will always be hard

modest cargo
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just tried hoopa

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probably good but as a mixed attacked he hasn't the raw power to ohko under trick room

pseudo canyon
ocean pumice
spiral fable
hallow grotto
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i'd say it's worth

spiral fable
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Huh, could’ve sworn it was higher

hallow grotto
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/dt crunch

velvet path
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My attempt to get used to the newer meta

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I just looked at common threats and tried to counter them

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I also just used sample sets lol

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# limber bough https://pokepast.es/c2c38d3086a7b6df Anyone have any tips for me? I struggle sl...

I'm not a rater, but I think you should be careful with walking wake. Your only way to counter it is with your lead, but you chose to run blizzard over freeze dry or moonblast. Wake will just click agility and its basically ggs unless your ninetales can get it off sun. As for your problem with Armarouge, its because none of your mons are very well invested in SpDef, and the only one that beats expanding force (kingambit) doesn't oustpeed or survive an armor cannon. Mirror armor corv is also a bad set, I believe. You should always run pressure instead because it helps remove pp from important attacks with low pp like stone edge, espeed, dmeteor, etc. Now, I don't think anyone is using any of those on corv, but in OU the only thing it gets out of mirror armor is reverse intimidating landorus, who it walls anyways. Half of your mons also get eaten alive by a scarf gholdengo. I also recommend investing your speed elsewhere on dragonite if you're not going to do ddance and do band instead. HP or Spdef will probably help you eat a hit from wake or dpult. I'm too lazy to do the math myself, but usually what I do is I make sure it outpeeds what it needs to by only one point so that I can still use it as a wallbreaker while also being able to slightly resist sweepers. Otherwise, heavy-duty boots with ddance is better, and it would also help you outspeed in the psy terrain. I'm a bit of a noob at the game myself, but I just wanted to try and help you because it seems you haven't gotten any feedback yet. I hope this helps! Have a great day!

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# limber bough https://pokepast.es/c2c38d3086a7b6df Anyone have any tips for me? I struggle sl...

this is a waste of an aurora veil team. aurora veil teams are meant to be hyper offensive, taking advantage of aurora veil to be able to freely set up, so mons like volcarona, kyurem, gouging fire, roaring moon, etc. and none of your mons achieve that.

if you wanna go the aurora veil route, here's an example team to give you an idea: https://pokepast.es/a30e6ebbdbbff0fd

if you're willing to dump aveil here's some general advice: don't use band dnite, don't use mirror armor corv, don't use tera blast val without setup (use encore/dbond), also get a dengo

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idk if i can give further advice i don't really dapple in balance and bo

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# void briar I'm not a rater, but I think you should be careful with walking wake. Your only ...

Wow, thanks so much for the detailed feedback! I'll definitely take this into account.

I ran Blizzard over Freeze Dry on Ninetales instead of Blizzard because it's scared enough Water types out anyway, expecting the Freeze Dry, and it's just a stronger attack overall... But good point. I did just complain about Dondozo. And it would definitely help against Walking Wake, who does shred through my team if it's not weakened (typically some chip and an emergency CB Dragonite Tera Extremespeed will KO it).

Yeah, I need some SpDef. I heard Corviknight isn't so good anymore (I made this before the Indigo disc DLC), and Skarmory is better.

The immediate damage and threat of CB Extremespeed and CB Earthquakes have done really well for me, but I suppose you're right about DD -- I've been swept multiple times because a Dragonite got multiple DD's off, and it will outspeed and KO my own Dragonite, who's supposed to be good at countering boost sweepers like that. The Choice Band D-NIte served as an emergency button.

Goldengho hasn't been a problem for me at all actually... Sucker Punch headgames from Kingambit usually works out well enough for me. But maybe I should consider running one.

Side notes: Before, I used to run Roaring Moon/Volcarona, and the Ninetales-A was a leftover from my time using Baxcalibur (replaced here by Iron Valiant).

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Frankly Iceyclaw's rate is kinda bad ngl

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Kirin's rate is a lot closer but still kinda off

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# limber bough Really? How so?

There's a lot of fundemental issues with this team that should be addressed over set changes or mons that can threaten this team

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Like Kirin stated, Veil teams are meant to be HO, which is built of one Suicide Lead and then 5 set up sweepers

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Hey, if you have any advice or a link to how to properly teambuild, I'm all ears!

I've always teambuilt more of just starting with stuff I think are cool, then tinkering as I get curbstomped by certain mons/teams until I achieve a somewhat healthy team balance.

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Of this team, you have a banded mon, tusk(which doesnt fit on most hos), and corv, which are three wasted slots

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# void briar https://pokepast.es/2e953cfb5fa34230

oh this is ho great i can rate that. first of all, i wouldn't suggest running iron treads as a lead, it's outclassed by glimm & deo-s. zama also doesn't like 4 attacks on ho, so i'd suggest using the IDBP set, choiced sets are also generally bad on ho just use dd booster with acro and tera flying. i'm not really sure about two tera blast users but ok i guess

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ho generally doesn't run hazard control

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the hazard control is threatening to kill them if they try to remove hazards

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can I run volt switch leftovers over spinner? or is that bad still

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I see.

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deo-s and glimm threaten to throw off strong stabs, spread status, something treads doesnt do

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I'm just a bit worried about webs

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Awesome, thank you!

I would like to get better at Doubles OU/VGC teambuilding as well. Are there samples/structure guides for those too?

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All tiers (should) have sample teams

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it does beat ribombee unless it's uh tera steel psychic

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deo-s can also taunt on ribombee

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Don't run two tera blast mons btw

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Just run the standard volc set with giga drain tera grass

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Yeah alr

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thanks a lot

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o swap raging bolt for kingambit

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gambit is more reliable on non webs ho

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(also is stronger and you can still run lefties with it while getting that power boost)

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I needed a SpA for zamazenta

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it used to be weavile with boots but I got steamrolled

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so I switched it out for a better revenge killer

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Lost serp to a dpult infiltrator and volcarona wasn;t able to ohko

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I got stone edged

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If its id bp volcarona beats it unless you let it set up twice in which case kinda on you ngl

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Nah mine is 4 attacks theirs was idbp

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I run a few more games and make necessary changes and return later probably to see what happens

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Most won't run stone edge + you should be able to save tera for that encounter

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Yeah okay that was my fault I did tera to save bolt from a ohko earlier in the game

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I'd run hp invest on indeedee and replace volc with polteageist

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I feel like you don't see it as much but you can leave it if you want. I used to run maushold with polt but I didn't want to tell you to remove crown

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What’s your game plan against rillaboom?

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Volc chips itself down way too much while iron crown wastes its booster

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Oh wait you do need to keep volc for rilla naurrrr

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hm yeah i did play a rilla team just now

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And if they get hazards up once you’re cooked

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It's not a rly for the flame body proc it's because it walls banded glide. If it locks itself into knock Hawlucha wins. And if it isn't band rilla it sucks

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Zama for rilla at least

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Maybe can Tera Pult or somethibg

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# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/4e28cc73eea6f94d https://pokepast.es/878e3afd13507726 both a...

grassy terrain teams don't really need a suicide lead in my experience. Generally leading rillaboom to get up terrain and going from there is fine, I'm making this slot a fast special helmet lando so you can beat lando without spikes t spikes going up. Or if you really want it to be a suicide lead make it sash dual status pult since you don't always have to lead that guy
changing rillaboom spread
hawlucha doesn't have the longevity to run drain punch, just run cc and actually kill your opps. Iron head is also bad imo, replacing it with encore. You also don't need all that speed unless you're worried about opposing hawluchas, giving you more bulk and switching your tera to flying for more power
Don't really understand why you have a scarf ghold and iron boulder on a team that has unburden and priority already. Ghold I guess I could get if you ran the seed set but not boulder. Replacing iron boulder with seed hatterene to take advantage of terrain and so you have hazard prevention
replacing ghold with zamazenta because currently all your guys lose to weavile/tusk is scary
I'd put a seed on volc if you're gonna run it on a terrain team
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band on rillaboom
seed gouging fire w breaking swipe for stall matchup
hope this helps good luck have fun
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am i able to get my team rated

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if its complete, yes

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Rayquaza @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Dragon Ascent
  • Dragon Claw
  • Dragon Dance
  • Earthquake

Blaziken @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Flare Blitz
  • Close Combat
  • U-turn
  • Earthquake

Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Seismic Toss
  • Soft-Boiled
  • Stealth Rock
  • Thunder Wave

Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Shadow Ball
  • Draco Meteor
  • Thunderbolt
  • U-turn

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Cursed Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Hex
  • Sludge Bomb
  • Toxic Spikes

Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Impish Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Rapid Spin
  • Bulk Up
  • Knock Off
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@spiral fable my rayquaza is meant to be a landerous

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havent played since like gen 7

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for the low hanging fruit covert cloak is unviable, scarf is usable on a couple mons but not good and can't be used on HO, Deoxys should only ever be lead or plot on HO

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team also lacks speed control and power

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ah i see, yeah ill look at the samples im just trying to get back into comp lol

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hopper

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boom on a rain team?

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my thought was to try and soften eq for gholdengo and treads

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where’s doubles then

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In the corresponding #1051236342740308089 thread

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oh true

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im trying out sv

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i tryed to do standard offensive but idk really the main pokemon

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so i just tossed together some things from ndou

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# left sentinel so i just tossed together some things from ndou

If you want to get into SV OU I would heavily recommend using a sample team first to learn the common mons used on HO
Treads isnt a good suicide lead(and that ev set is really weird), you have better options in mons like glimm or deo s
4 Attack Zamazenta isn't good on HO, nor is Iron Valiant without a boosting move, as HO should be stacking as many setup sweepers as possible
Trailblaze Wellspring is a joke, Wellspring is good but you have better options for HO(like Rmoon), and Trailblaze as your only grass stab sucks

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You can find some common sets/mons used on HO in the two samples they have

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i was talking in comgen 1 and i was basing off this team

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well im ngl all you did was make it worse

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im also coming off gen 9 ndou

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ight

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also qq

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primarina ho kinda outdated ngl but it still provides some good examples of sets you should run

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what is the purpose of Primarina

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ah

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what one would you recomend

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bc i play in between classes so i prefer a quick match

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I mean Mimikyu's HO is pretty standard, maybe make some slight tweaks like dropping boulder for a mon like val or dropping hatt for another sweeper, but its a solid team

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ight got it

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what would hat be swaped for

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# severe violet https://pokepast.es/49dc4912e6e6d457

Ngl, what are Ghold and Rillaboom doing on this team? Why are you trying to weaken physical ground moves, when Skewda already blows up any ground, Bolt can tera out of it and kill most on the switch with dpulse, and pelipper doesn't care about it?
Drop both, replace Rillaboom for Kingambit and Gholdengo for your wellspring counter of choice(Zapdos is a classic though you have other options in mons like Overqwil)
Not a big fan of lefites on bolt, I would recommend booster instead for the more immediate power

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# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/93c08374f839a17a does this work

HO teams should be 1 suicide lead 5 setup sweepers
Drop Enamorus, scarfed mons are bad on HO
Drop Cinderace, it doesn't provide anything helpful to HO except maybe swapping webs and you have glimmora to beat ribombee anyways
Gmoltres really isn't that good and you have far better options for a HO team in OU, especially since Serp is already your tera hog
Swap Gmoltres for Roaring Moon with booster attack, swap Cinderace for Volcarona with Giga Drain Tera Grass, swap enamorus for Kingambit

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yeah, air balloon is pretty standard

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would tera fairy work for it or should i stick to dark to prioritize damage?

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i would recommend defensive tera

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why is latios here, why is primarina here

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# marsh falcon i dont know many rain abusers

Drop latios primarina wellspring
Swap on Booster/Eject Button Treads(do not run steel beam)
Swap on Calm mind raging bolt with booster energy
Swap on a wellspring counter(I would recommend Zapdos but you can also pick Overqwil or Kingdra)

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you generally will never tera treads so it doesnt matter but if you really want you can

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no offense but whats the point of us rating your team if you just make a new one in a few minutes

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cuz im kinda new to gen 9

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i would really recommend you use a prebuilt team if you're just trying to learn a new archetype

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# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/00d8ef134d5d40d4 last one

Volc doesn't fit on Sun teams, drop it for Eject Button Hatterene, which can provide a quick pivot out of torkoal and a late game healing wish buff
Don't run any booster energy on sun teams, you have far better options and sun already buffs your proto mons, if you want a bulky setup mon I would recommend using Gouging Fire with your choice of booster stat
Drop Tusk for Venusaur, its a nice coverage mon + tusk isn't the best on sun since you already have hazard removal in hatt and torkoal
Drop Hlilligant for Raging Bolt, you can run a lefties CM set or specs set that's up to you, but I would recommend Lefties CM to avoid being choice locked

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would hatt be swapped for somthing like zama

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or nah

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Just pick any HO mon lol

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Zam is fine but make it IDBP

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what elser other than zama?

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weavile?

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wellspring?

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ive seen alot of rain teams low ladder

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Weavile is fake

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Wellspring is alright but imo Zamazenta is better

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Other than that, solid

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O yeah swap heavy slam for substitute

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does it makes sense to put volt swith on treads for momentum?

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would that replace ice spinner?

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can i still keep stalth on treads? seems redundant to have iron head on both treads and gambit

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you're supposed to run ep/earthquake rocks spin switch

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ok cool ty

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Ive found an issue in speed, i can not outspeed most threats when kings is out

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also could i swap bug buzz out for psychic, ground/rock coverage, or some other move

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I assume you already know my criticism

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while tb water will work well, i would much ratheer tera anything else

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wait it goes out last

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i forgor

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cb dnite ehh

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i knew i was missing a certain special attacker

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Alternatively one webs I tried had enamorus with cm cute charm which was cool

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im the only one who sets my mons to female

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for that interaction

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would hurricane on volc go hard to hit tusk and other fighting types

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ik volc ran it on rain teams in old gens

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Psychic is right there

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fair

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yo tyson what do the spdef/speed evs do for this clef?

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me forgot need to hit the calc

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just reply in the thread

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tried to make a team with breaking swipe gouging fire

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Can someone recommend me a good trick room teams to play in doubles?

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# dreamy bramble https://pokepast.es/1051db712534f588 Post Archaludon Rain team for a local tourn...

Bolt would much prefer booster energy or lefties over shuca, and you have zapdos as a ground immunity
Why tera ghost on skewda? just run tera water
I'm going to assume that Zapdos has Boots on it, but you should run volt switch over heat wave(or twave instead), and make it tera water so you dont get completely folded by waterpon(or tera dragon though that makes your ice weakness worse)
You could also try running the offensive set if you keep getting outsped
I'm not a big fan of valiant here because you dont have anything to check waterpon except zapdos(which can't switch in on cudgel without tera), so I would recommend Overqwil instead

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# velvet path https://pokepast.es/34e57048eb38fd6f

So what is the goal of this team? You have a hazard stack team, but no rocks, no way to punish spin once ghold's balloon is gone, and a lot of hazard weak mons that all rely on tusk to remove hazards
You have no breakers to force progress against fatter teams, instead stacking 3 setup sweepers, no speed control except espeed dnite, no pivots to safely bring in your other mons, no physical defensive mon to complement Ting Lu, and your team doesn't really complement Gouging Fire since you have no mons to help break the fat teams Breaking Swipe Gouging Fire is meant for

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Yeah but lapras awareness

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https://pokepast.es/60f57b211138c749
First proper team, made it mainly because of a bet i have with my friend so i wanted the team to be pretty well made. Feedback and critism very welcome

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# versed radish https://pokepast.es/60f57b211138c749 First proper team, made it mainly because o...

Alright,
First, Id replace hamurott with rocks glimmora to help with opposing glimms, and since the threat of putting down a t spike makes it a better suicide lead
With that done and less threat of glimm t spike going on your side, it's time to remove the boots you have on 2 mons since you have a suicide lead and magic bouncer. Make the tusk booster energy with speed invest over attack so it gets the speed boost and replace knock w bulk up
Boots pult makes little sense here, you wouldn't even ever click fast uturn with a team like this because your guys are too frail. I'd replace it with volc so valiant isn't as scary
If you're gonna run hatt and rillaboom on the same team, I'd make the hatterene grassy seed and cm over healing wish, stored power over psychic, draining kiss over gleam for longevity. Then reduce the speed to 56 or whatever makes the hatt reach 108 speed. Same w rillaboom, it doesn't need full speed make it like 240 speed total or just creeping min speed gliscor. Also replace drain punch w knock
I'm on my phone so I dont have the builder open myself but hopefully these changes are simple enough that you can update the paste. Hope this helps good luck have fun.
Other options:
Seed Hawlucha over the volc

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Also make hatt tera water and tusk poison

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drop comfey

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build bo

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if u wanna use comfey its like an actually good gterrain abuser

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mb bro ill get to changin

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slate gorge
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Rate my sticky web core

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Any improvements I could make here

ocean pumice
# slate gorge
  1. run skill swap + mblast on ribom over qd bug buzz, it should also be shield dust
  2. dump garg & boulder
  3. play rough > knock off on waterpon, power whip > horn leech
  4. if ur balloon should be a different tera, also fblast or psyshock > recover
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then from there u can replace with like, serp moon ig?

slate gorge
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U think serp and moon over garg and boulder?

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Boulder rlly takes advantage of webs on the team tho

slate gorge
ocean pumice
slate gorge
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I don’t rlly know how to run ribombee so I’ll add that skill swap mblast it should help ribs viability

slate gorge
ocean pumice
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other than gouging ig

slate gorge
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You’re right

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Play rough would help waterpons coverage

ocean pumice
slate gorge
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In higher ladder

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Hatt will be more prevalent

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Always used horn leech for longevity

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SD + horn leech decimates most walls

ocean pumice
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ye but u wanna maximize offensive pressure

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horn leech could miss you a ko

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that power whip wouldve gotten u

slate gorge
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You’re right

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I’d only get rid of one between Garg and boulder

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And itd probably be garg

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Should I replace garg with moon or serp

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Boulders been really useful against most mons tbh

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Hard counters gliscor and other flying, elec and ice types

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Cleave is nuts

ocean pumice
slate gorge
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I’ll make two copies of the teams

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I appreciate the help bro

ocean pumice
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oh uh on the gambit tera

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if ur black glasses u go tera dark

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if ur tera flying use lum

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and if ur tera fire use air balloon

slate gorge
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Thank you I appreciate that

ocean pumice
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ribom tera you can pick between ghost and steel

slate gorge
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Tera dark for the extra stab right

ocean pumice
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ghost blocks rapid spin steel blocks mortal spin

slate gorge
ocean pumice
slate gorge
ocean pumice
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oh and run like

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20 spe at least

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outspeeds corv

slate gorge
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Why isn’t gambit banned from OU yet

slate gorge
shell stag
slate gorge
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Gambit is too good tbh

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He’d fit better in OUBL in my eyes

shell stag
spiral fable
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oh. sorry

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ok. how about that?

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not too sure about lando and darkrai

slate gorge
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Ngl I’d rather have valiant over darkrai

shell stag
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i was thinking about val rn

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I accidentally put defiant

slate gorge
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💀💀💀

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does this team seem decent?

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actually, what if I replaced glim with a status dragapult and used rapid spin, great tusk over offensive

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or should I just keep it as it is?

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spiral fable
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yes

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ho should always be 1 suicide lead + 5 setup sweeper

silver pasture
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Can anyone help with my balance team? It's really weak to ogerpon water and i can't beat it

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# glacial crag https://pokepast.es/67830cc431b05a17

This team is pretty meh
You're going to standard HO here, but you have a lot of strange choices
Agility Enamorus isn't good, and enamorus in general doesn't really fit on HO outside of webs
Gholdengo is too slow to fit on Glimmora HO, and especially not with that weird EV spread
I'm really iffy about Booster Tusk here, it doesn't have a lot of power even after a few bulk ups, nor does it have enough speed to outspeed val, especially since you don't have spin
Glimmora always wants mortal spin, to try and keep off opposing hazards
Ogerpon Wellspring is also iffy here, with no good way to boost speed(trailblaze kinda sucks) you'd much prefer mons like gambit or val
Drop Ghold, enamorus, wellspring, swap on calm mind valiant, volcarona(set is up to you but i recommend tera blast), and lefties gambit
Tusk is up to you

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i would keep wellspring, very good mon atm and softens your matchup into some stuff, and you could also try iron moth bc that mon is kinda in the back department ^

spiral fable
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Moth is mid at best, you rely despserately on fiery dance boosts, can never pack enough coverage to hit all the mons you want, still get outsped by val and boulder, and loses to gliscor/tusk without tera/a lucky boost

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at that point you imght as well run the better moth volc

pulsar geyser
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volc is too slow, it needs a lot of turns and it cant always get that. u can be outsped by val because unless its running psyshock ur safe into it. boulder isnt a real mon so

spiral fable
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Volc can at least switch out and boost up later

pulsar geyser
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i find that volcarona tends to have the same issues but moth doesnt need the same conditions to sweep

spiral fable
pulsar geyser
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dont agree with that at all

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moths been p good as of late

marsh falcon
spiral fable
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Webs always needs ghold to prevent it from losing said webs

marsh falcon
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np gold?

spiral fable
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Not a big fan of hatt since it’s too slow even with webs

marsh falcon
spiral fable
marsh falcon
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alright

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are the rest fine

spiral fable
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Full speed attack offensive gambit

marsh falcon
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ok

glacial crag
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or should I still add Volc

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I added serp to counter primarina and resist Hydro steam walking wake

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and if walking uses a dragon type attack, I can switch in to valiant to encore and build up calm mind

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https://pokepast.es/fffd0b2dcb7d1462
Trying to expand on the concept from yesterday:
Is AV prima with water type psychic noise over another move?

Tried putting in Sandy Shocks over Landorus therian bc it's a ground type that hits harder. Should i change it's set to something that fits it's role better?

Using CM Val as 6th member for speed control. Should i use something else?

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actually idk if this is bo or balance

slate gorge
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Give that guy

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Max attack

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With an attack boosting nature

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His sucker punch will brutalise waterpon

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Or also add u turn into ur team

silver pasture
slate gorge
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Also

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I would advise

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Is if you want more power out the gambit

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But on black glasses

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Instead of lefties

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It’s gonna stack with supreme overlord

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And give him insane one shot ability

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this is bulky offense not balance

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you have two defensive mons no pivots 4 offensive mons

shell stag
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Sorry. BO

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Anything to correct other than the terminology?

spiral fable
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yeah sorry give me a sec

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# shell stag https://pokepast.es/ab021e724cebeaa8 Trying to build a balance team around AV Ha...

So if you're going for a bulky offense team, you should always have a pivot. AV hatterene honestly really isnt that good because you have no reliable way of healing yourself unlike other pivots like gking or corviknight, and hatt doesn't offer enough to justify the lack of healing, especially since you can't healing wish. I would recommend gking over hatt, especially since you get nice future sight pressure

If you want a hazard setter its much better to use a rocker, like tusk, which offers knock support, spin, and a better matchup into gambit
whatas the poitn of three attack taunt ogerpon? doesnt really do a lot for your team, ig it breaks dozo but you also will struggle into the more offensive mons of the tier since unboosted ogerpon can't threaten as well, especially against mons like gouging. You could replace this with val, who still offers the taunt/encore support, while also having booster to give your team much needed speed control, and you can run either cm, sd, or mixed sets(i recommend mixed/cm)

if you're running bulky gambit run it with max hp, or if you're running offensive gambit run air balloon or glasses with tera dark

If you want to run protean greninja you need to run the coverage moves to really get use out of said protean boost, and the only move that isn't already stab is ice beam(which is going to hit hard anyways with specs), and you should always run u turn on a choiced mon if possible to avoid blanking into a resist. You also are just strictly worse pult, but i've assumed you came to terms with that

shell stag
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I'll apply every change mentioned. Thanks for your time.

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spiral fable
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Skarm fits better on balance

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Imo tusk would be better, you don’t really need the pivot since you have gking + you get spin

shell stag
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I have this rn bc you suggested corv and i was weak to eq

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I could try with gking if you say so ofc

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https://pokepast.es/37ee30bbc55e4409 I wanted to build a team with a galarian slowking and kyurem core (with blizzard). The team does well most of the time but i kinda lack any real way to stop a mon from setting up too hard on me.

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peak pendant
green citrus
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these type of teams usually go really boots heavy; boots kyurem, boots zama, boots glowking and then hazard spam p hard. If you decide to go specs kyurem route its still ideal to use smth like cinderace

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since hard hazard removal is often just bleh in this tier

peak pendant
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I see what you mean!

green citrus
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as far as yor current team

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the mons are good themselves, id just do cinderace > tsareena

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and mess with sets

peak pendant
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what about hazard set up?

green citrus
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maybe make volcarona a hazard setter (gliscor, lando, tinglu etc)

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a ground type ideally for

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raging bolt

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cuz that guy is an ass

peak pendant
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that is one mon

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that has been giving me a lot of hell

green citrus
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yeah.

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it usually will regardless of a ground type but hey

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any help is help

peak pendant
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thanks so much

green citrus
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tinglu is sturdier, lando is good for pivoting (forms a uturn-chilly pivot core with cinderace and glowking), gliscor can be whatever u want rly

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so up to u

peak pendant
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I think I need lando because I've go no reliable way to stop eq spam aside from air balloon kingambit

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and the pivot sounds nice

green citrus
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yer

peak pendant
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well actually gliscor kinda does that well too

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and have bulk

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and status immunity technically

green citrus
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yeahplay with either or, try em both

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see what u like

peak pendant
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I will!

green citrus
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zama u can keep aas ID press but one nice set is the just

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boots 4 attacks one

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CC, heavy slam, crunch, ice fang / stone eedge last

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with tera steel or fire

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for various defensive purposes

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but yeah go wild see what works

peak pendant
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I really do like ID zamazenta but I wil try your suggestion if zamzenta isn't pulling its weight

green citrus
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good luck

peak pendant
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thanks a thousand

spiral fable
shell stag
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Thanks though!

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Thoughts on Clodsire or ting lu in this meta as spdef walls with hazards??

spiral fable
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Both are too passive for bo

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If you want to pivot to balance ting Lu would be fine, though you’d need another pivot mon

shell stag
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Yeah. I agree with you

dapper mist
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Hi. Is good idea to use Darkrai scarf + zoroark hisui?

spiral fable
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Not really, but you should ask these questions in #comp-general

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naive stirrup
ocean pumice
naive stirrup
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Specs Kyu and Band Zama

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Ogerpon putting all work

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But I still need help

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On improving the MU against Specs Kyu

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# shell stag https://pokepast.es/fffd0b2dcb7d1462 Trying to expand on the concept from yester...

Hi,
This team is so close to h.o that I would just go all the way so you can't lose momentum at lead. The mon to replace is av prim, I don't think it contributes much in this team. If you're gonna run prim on h.o I'd do the sub custap set. Also I don't think liquid voice is as good as torrent, even if you run psychic noise. I run torrent on mine that has psychic noise just because the boost is so broken
Make the sandy shocks a fast utility Lando with helmet taunt and earth power. Rn you're swept by earthquake so the earthquake immunity is good, and roaring moon/gambit are zama weak so it's good to have
By having both of these you can either lead Lando or glimm into opposing glimmoras depending on which mon is more useful in the battle. T spike possible to get up and owns them? Just lead Lando and save the sash glimm. If they mortal spin on helmet at 1% it does not remove your Lando rocks because it dies as a result
Either make volc timid so you aren't outpaced by full speed tusk, or make it the defensive terablast dragon spread
Imo the best 3 attack cm special valiant set is moonblast psyshock shadow ball with tera ghost to muscle past glowking and dodge espeed
Im replying to you on mobile so I can't give you an updated paste, sorry
Other options:
Speed booster bulk up tusk over the Lando, and put kingambit on a balloon
Sash dual status pult lead instead of glimm if you were trying to avoid the traditional hazard suicide lead for some reason
Taunt on roaring moon over acro
Hope this helps good luck have fun

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Helpp

glacial crag
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no wonder you’re getting swept

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you could try CM encore valiant

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and maybe replace Rilla boom

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also scarMory instead of Garg or dango might be a good idea

brisk cedar
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unserious team that could become serious

glacial crag
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just my opinion, but you might want to have something to deal with him

brisk cedar
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the matchup is fine

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gholdengo+webs+ogerpon

ocean pumice
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i dont really like black glasses on non tera dark

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try lum maybe for wisps

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guess it helps the wisphex pult mu

spiral fable
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not sure val is necessary with webs, might want to swap it for something like serp/bolt for more pressure immediatley

ocean pumice
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faya ... does lum gambit fix wisphex mu

spiral fable
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eh if its not sash yeah

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It might be a little bit hard to pivot on this team since there isn't a switch-in move so rm is a lil bit hard to set

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Zama too

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Ig uturn gliscor is a good option to run here

marsh falcon
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alr

modest cargo
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Im not the holy spirit so i might just ruin something but it feels better to me

marsh falcon
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its ok

tranquil niche
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spiral fable
# modest cargo https://pokepast.es/af0e9f8b185a6229 Webs ig

Ngl there's a lot of issues with this team
So first of all you don't need pivots on HO, and you should be running 1 suicide lead + 5 setup sweepers
Ribombee would prefer tera steel to block mortal spin from glimm and skill swap over psychic to avoid being walled by hatterene
Porygon Z frankly is too frail to really make use of its power but if you're alright with running a subpar mon, swap ghost for either tera electric or tera fighting(swap tri attack to tera blast if you do this)
Drop recover on ghold for psyshock you dont really need the longevity and it puts pressure on stall
Don't run a specs mon on HO, I would recommend replacing this with ddance booster attack roaring moon
You don't need a pivot/utility mon on HO besides your suicide lead so drop hatterene, instead run Kingambit with air balloon and max attack max speed evs
Iron Moth really isn't good anymore in the current meta, you rely on fishing for fiery dance boosts and I would recommend swapping it out for either raging bolt(booster cm) or serperior, both of which have much more reliable ways to boost up while still holding similar power(and in some cases better utility)

spiral fable
# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/c1ae70fe5229c631

What's the team structure here? You have 4 set up sweepers, a (bad) scarfer, and gliscor
I assume this is going for Bulky Offense, but you're missing a lot of crucial aspects, mainly a pivot mon which you desperately need
This team also just doesn't synergize well together: Gholdengo isn't a good scarfer as you still get outsped by a lot of boosted threats in the metagame, your lack of pivots means its really hard for your sweepers to come in and sweep, your lack of immediate power in the form of specs/band means its hard to break through the fat teams that can easily wall your sweepers, where three of which can be walled by dondozo alone, and you have no spdef mon to complement gliscor
I'm also not a fan of gliscor on bo outside in general, rocks are more reliable + you have better options in mons like tusk which can provide knock + spin support as well as more offensive pressure, or heatran on grassy terrain which offers a fire immunity and magma storm chip alongside rocks
I think it'll be better to try a sample team for now, there's a pretty good gterrain team if you want an example of a semi bulky offense team
https://pokepast.es/6f4e9f30a5729a02

marsh falcon
spiral fable
left sentinel
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keep getting screwed up by sash pult, any changes to help with it

spiral fable
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are you not getting hazards up first turn?

left sentinel
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i am, but tusk keeps getting rid of them mid/late game

spiral fable
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tusk should not have an opening to spin on any of these mons

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if you REALLY are struggling you can slot on ghold but that'll hurt your team in other ways + i really dont think its necessary

left sentinel
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im low ladder faya

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everything has sash i feel

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cant kill and it keeps getting killed by lead tusk

marsh falcon
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am i getting it wrong

left sentinel
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hits once, gets hazzards up
next hit is spin

spiral fable
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You need pivots, which will usually be defensive so you can get two for one

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A breaker to force damage against the walls

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Hazard setter, and then sweepers

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Usually 2 defensive mons are enough, with one spdef one phys def, since one can double as a pivot, and your choiced breaker is usually another pivot

left sentinel
spiral fable
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Can’t really build around low ladder shits wack

left sentinel
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ik

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its annoying

marsh falcon
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thanks

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Ghold

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Faya, all I have is the mons and movesets. I don't know how to pull the stats from in game. (Yeah, it's my in game team but I love these mons)

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Skeledirge, Pawmot, Garganacl, Clodsire, Bronzong, Ogrepon.

If you want me to post movesets too I can

spiral fable
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Ah

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Ok unfortunately this team won’t work

cinder mulch
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I'm open to changes

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I haven't played competitive in a long time tbh

spiral fable
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There isn’t a lot of synergy between these mons and both pawmot and bronzong are unviable in ou

cinder mulch
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Yeah ...

spiral fable
# cinder mulch Yeah ...

If you want to use ogerpon it’s best to pivot to an offensive team, and you’d probably have to drop everything except Garg. If you want to use clodsire, it’s best to pivot to a fat team, meaning you’d have to drop Garg and ogerpon.

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There’s no real way of making this team work and the best I can get is maybe 2 mons

cinder mulch
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I mean, I love Garg and Ogrepon.

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Garganacl is my favorite mon this generation

spiral fable
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You could probably make a more balance orientated team with those two, but I don’t really have the time to help you build a team from scratch sorry

cinder mulch
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No worries

sly mauve
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It was mine until Ogerpon came bouncing around the block

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Also Miraidon

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And Gholdengo

left sentinel
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not the chat for this,

sly mauve
left sentinel
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what

spiral fable
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thats a question better suited for #comp-general we only rate fully built teams here

boreal ledge
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Ohh ty

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Changed it a bit, it has better MU against kyu cuz of clef

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Though dd kyu might be a lil be scary

sly mauve
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Concept for webs team, lmk if it sucks or not lol

spiral fable
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/bdfa64c017c31926

You need tera steel to not lose to glimm but you lose to tusk with those evs in exchange for getting webs up against weavile, up to you
I'm really not a fan of tusk on webs, if you want a gambit check/bulky phys def mon that can sweep i much prefer idbp zamazenta
I assume you know how bad ninetales is and have come to terms with it
Other than that, sure is webs

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Might want to experiemnt slotting serperior/raging bolt on since you kinda stack phys attackers with your only (good) spattacker being ghold

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raging bolt also helps against pult by not caring about status and can tera to bait ddarts and ohko

sly mauve
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Should I replace tusk with bolt?

spiral fable
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That's also an option yeah

sly mauve
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I think that’s the play tbh

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I need the abusers to be protosynthesis to fully abuse Ninetales

spiral fable
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o

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wait i forgot ninetales has dought

sly mauve
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Yeah lol

spiral fable
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you're directly hurting rmoon with drought

sly mauve
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That’s the whole point

spiral fable
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Which really sucks

sly mauve
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not exactly

spiral fable
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You lose acro boost

sly mauve
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Not if I send it out beforehand (:

spiral fable
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eh, i think it'll hurt more than help but that's up to you

sly mauve
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We’ll see how it goes I’m only at 1500

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If not then I’ll think of a better option

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But I do really like the concept of Ninetales, it’s a special attacker that doesn’t fold to clod

spiral fable
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ghold

sly mauve
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Tera dark

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Tera Fire weather ball I’m pretty sure is a 2HKO

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252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Ninetales Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire in Sun: 260-306 (56.1 - 66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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That’s actually insane lmao

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Only switch in on stall is Blissey

brisk cedar
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And they just swap into blissey

sly mauve
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Shhhh

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Also psyshock is a 2HKO

silver pasture
# sly mauve Also psyshock is a 2HKO

You could run nasty plot as well maybe. Nasty plot with psyshock allows you to hit both clod and blissey. The only issue would be the very likely tera dark from them.

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252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Psyshock (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Clodsire: 250-294 (53.9 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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It does need life orb to break through clod though

sly mauve
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Idk about life orb, Ninetales is already frail enough as is

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Plus with specs you don’t really need more power

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But I like the idea, definitely will consider it

silver pasture
sly mauve
silver pasture
sly mauve
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I have come to the conclusion that Ninetales is ass

spiral fable
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o7

sly mauve
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You need to Tera to actually hit hard

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So you’re immediately at a disadvantage

marsh falcon
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i had to go off of memory until now

spiral fable
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Clodsire is too passive for bo and you should lean harder into the grassy terrain especially if you're using terrain extender

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you should be running rocks on heatran, and make it bulkier + gives it lefties over air balloon so it can rack up gterrain healing

sly mauve
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Clefable might work better then clod

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Clod is just too passive

spiral fable
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not a big fan of mola either, if you want a pivot gking is a mon that benefits well from gterrain + a semi check to one of its bigger threats kyurem

sly mauve
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Speaking of Kyurem

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Wouldn’t look too bad here

spiral fable
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you can also slot on tera grass giga drain volc

spiral fable
# sly mauve Wouldn’t look too bad here

yeah but it also doesnt really care for terrain, it thrives off of being able to switch out repeatdly to come back in and force damage, but gterrain is usually more offensive focused that tries to utilize the terrain as much as they can

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and since you don thave remove that means kyurem gets chipped by rocks heavily

sly mauve
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Right no hazed removal

spiral fable
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You also have options like Ogerpon-Wellspring or Serperior who become monsters under Gterrain boosts anyways

sly mauve
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Which he probably needs tbh

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I get it’s offense but really the only playstyle that doesn’t need removal is HO

spiral fable
sly mauve
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He’s gonna need a lot of boots then

spiral fable
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not really, taunt can shut down most setters then boom pivots out and the grassy spam begins

sly mauve
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Also terrain extender rilla is eh imo

spiral fable
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but if they slotted on more grass spam terrain would've been fine

sly mauve
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Yeah he def needs more abusers

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Like cm Latias

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Or Hatterene

spiral fable
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latias is fake...

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hatterene is cool though

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also is discount hazard removal so

sly mauve
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Exactly the synergy is insane

marsh falcon
sly mauve
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Alright so we got a Hatterene - Extender Rilla - Heatran - Hawlucha core

marsh falcon
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alrighty

sly mauve
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I’m not sure about the other two tho

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I only know the good psychic terrain abusers lol

spiral fable
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youve got quite a few options

sly mauve
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Iron Crown is one…?

spiral fable
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gking for a pivot, wellspring for being a bitch powerful grass stab + threatening bulkier teams with encore or dragons with play rough, serperior for devastating leaf storms and glare support, volcarona for a kyurem check that functions offensively, etc etc

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not iron crown

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do not

sly mauve
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Serperior is heat here ngl

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Gking for sure but go wild with the last one

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You could probably run colbur berry or lefties too

spiral fable
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colbur for a one time rmoon check is hella nice

sly mauve
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I think Ogerpon is the play for the last slot

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He already has three special attackers

spiral fable
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more

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yeah fair

sly mauve
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Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Power Whip
  • Encore
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Something along these lines

marsh falcon
sly mauve
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Heatran

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Glowking

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Hatterene

marsh falcon
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who do i bump out for hatt

sly mauve
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Clod or alo

spiral fable
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one of clodsire mola or moon

sly mauve
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Or moon yeah

marsh falcon
spiral fable
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then moon

sly mauve
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Choice moon is mid

marsh falcon
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ok

sly mauve
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Here’s what I got

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(+ faya)

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You can change the moves up for personal preference but something along these lines should work

marsh falcon
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o

sly mauve
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Wait run adamant on rilla

marsh falcon
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gotcha

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also whos colbur for

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on glowking

sly mauve
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Moon

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Gambit

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Take your pick

marsh falcon
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oh

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right

sly mauve
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It’s a free t wave

marsh falcon
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gotta get used to these archetypes lol

marsh falcon
spiral fable
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no

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if they have enough raw power(ie ursaluna, crawdaunt) its sometimes better to run another item

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they just need a way to offensively, well, break walls

marsh falcon
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ic

spiral fable
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this is easiest through choiced items but not required

marsh falcon
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so for example rmoon has enough sheer power to run another item that isnt band to be a wallbreaker

spiral fable
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eh not really

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rmoon is strong, certainly, but it doesnt have the raw power to wallbreak(even with an item, unless its under sun)

marsh falcon
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i heard that banded moon was mid or along the lines of that blobshrug

spiral fable
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yeah banded moon is unfortunatley overshadowed by banded gouging fire on sun rn

marsh falcon
spiral fable
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rmoon isnt really a wall breaker though, its more a setup sweeper

marsh falcon
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so banded moon was an early set before indigo

spiral fable
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a wallbreaker is something like specs kyurem, or guts ursaluna, etc

marsh falcon
spiral fable
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generally any mon that is strong enough to be a wallbreaker without a choice item will be slow, because any fast and frail wallbreakers are usually broken

marsh falcon
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alrighty

marsh falcon
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after testing it felt that corv was a bit too passive with defog set and specs pult was terrorizing me

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since my only resist was meow who was not a tank

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and corv who could somewhat tank a hit but gets outdmg'd before roost

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not sure if this is just how BO works or i should replace some mons

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bronze urchin
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what can i do to improve

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currently sun matchup kinda rough

tranquil niche
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I'd use knock off over temper flare on great tusk tho

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Forgot to put it in

wheat hatch
umbral adder
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i like the look of bu tusk here but idk where it would fit

tranquil niche
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Avoid choice users on HO

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And run a sample set for glimmora

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Focus sash power gem earth power mortal spin rocks is what I use rn with Tera ghost

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Apart from that I'd swap boulder to valiant just cuz I don't like it but that's your choice
And also encore/coverage over u turn on wellspring

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Apart from that it looks fine

tranquil niche
wheat hatch
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Hyper offense

wheat hatch
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oh alr

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#1059653209678950460 message BO i think

spiral fable
# marsh falcon not sure if this is just how BO works or i should replace some mons

This is more balance than bulky offense(looking at tusk version)
IMO ghold shouldn't be run if its not spikes or similar hazard stacking teams
You don't really have any speed control on this team which really hurts + your defensive backbone is pretty shaky (its pretty easy for gliscor to stack hazards on this team and toxic any mon that tries to switch in), you also have no sweepers to clean up weakened teams and im not sure meow is the best choice hee either

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also please don't link your teams we can see them literally right there

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we will get to them when we have the time (especially since these were posted at 6 am in the morning for me)

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the rate that obama gave was pretty decent, though i would say drop weavile for roaring moon instead weavile is kinda bad on ho

spiral fable
# umbral adder https://pokepast.es/d5e82086d45772a8

cool gterrain team, but skarmory really doesnt fit with the rest of your team here(and you should run rocks+lefites on heatran)
Not sure if band or gterrain rilla would be better here especially since a lot of your mons really like gterrain, but that's up to you(if you drop band you might want to look into getting another source of immediate power)
As for the skarmory slot, you always have the classic hawlucha, but if you want you could try bu tusk, though you'll have a worse matchup into faster threats of the metagame(mainly val and +1 rmoon) so watch out for them

wheat hatch
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any recommended sets

spiral fable
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just the standard ddance booster attack tera flying acrobatics

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and like obama said swap glimmora to a sample suicide lead set

tranquil niche
spiral fable
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Once again

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stop linking your teams

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I can see them right there

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I will rate them when I have the time

tranquil niche
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Alr

spiral fable
# bronze urchin https://pokepast.es/65b90115507df658

This team really doesn't work
HO should center around one gimmick only: webs, screens, terrain, etc
When you split it between two you are forced to run two utility mons on HO, which kills the momentum of your team as you have to swap between the two to keep up either terrain or screens
HO should be 1 suicide lead/gimmick setter and 5 setup sweepers, but you have specs kyurem and offensive utility tusk
Blaziken also just isn't good in OU(and if you really want to use him you need to use flare blitz cuz blaze kick power aint enough)
I'm pretty iffy about Darkrai, it doesn't really use screens or gterrain well + you're running two 70% accurate moves and while blizzard accuracy is boosted in snow you don't have snow rock on ninetales(and you shouldn't)

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You could pivot this team to a screens HO team by dropping rillaboom, making tusk a BU set, making kyurem ddance with loaded dice, and you can keep darkrai and blaziken(but you need to swap their items + they really would be better if you swapped them out for other mons), and then slot on bulky kingambit for your lost mon

bronze urchin
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and then great tusk just to fill the slot, spin utility and all

spiral fable
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It just doesn’t work in practice

bronze urchin
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it worked in a few games, sun matchup kinda rough

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what would u recommend if i want to use rilla + blaziken

spiral fable
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You could probably build a gterrain team with it

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Discount Hawlucha

bronze urchin
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tell me some mons that could be good on this gterrain team

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hawlucha kinda does the same thing as blaziken no?

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also i hate the attack stat on hawlucha

spiral fable
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Heatran Serperior ogerpon wellspring hatterene gking etc etc

spiral fable
bronze urchin
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i want blaziken tho

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started with blaziken

spiral fable
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

bronze urchin
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whole point of the team

spiral fable
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If you’re willing to run a direct downgrade mon that’s up to you

bronze urchin
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why is heatran good in gterrain?

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weakened EQ?

spiral fable
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Bulky mon that can set rocks blank fire types and provide magma storm chip while getting the recovery and less eq damage from terrain

bronze urchin
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magma storm never connects so

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what set would i run tho

spiral fable
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It’s smogon page should have a few sets

bronze urchin
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do i want a more defensive one or offensive one?

spiral fable
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Defensive

bronze urchin
spiral fable
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tera ground

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tera stellar is a bait