[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[spiral fable]

Terrakion is completely outclassed by Iron Boulder, Treads has a small niche above Tusk but it’s not enough to justify using on non rain, hydrapple is too slow and weak to common mons of the tier to justify using, especially since you’re using it as a nasty plot sweeper

[sly mauve]

[spiral fable]

Heatran also doesn’t want to carry Tera blast Itll rather much prefer taunt/flash cannon

I would recommend you use a sample team for now if you just want to climb out of 1300s

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[sly mauve]

Oh I just named it that cause I thought it was funny, it almost made it to 1500

but thx for the advice

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/976ec863ab6f3636

[fierce basin]

okay,
while I have appreciated the uses of sub leech serp in prior gens, it isn't really as workable in this gen due to ghold, so in my opinion you're better off with terablast fire or ground. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with sub iron valiant, so I made it shadow ball (so it can hit ghold)
if you lock yourself into outrage with gouging fire you're too easily revenged, I switched it to dragon claw
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/e961339830042677
other options:
full attack/speed gouging fire with earthquake
tera ghost on valiant since the team is pretty weak to dnite/espeed
screens on serperior (the 6 that you're copying originally has screens serp)
hope this helps, good luck have fun

[velvet path]

what does serp run with screens

[fierce basin]

screens glare leaf storm

[velvet path]

is tera fairy good

[fierce basin]

yeah sure but you prob wont be teraing it much

[velvet path]

ok

thanks

[fierce basin]

np good luck

[fierce basin]

okay. I'd probably scrap, but I'm gonna give you the reasons why for your next attempt
unfortunately, I don't think moltres-galar is as useable as he once was in OU. with the arrival of iron boulder theres a mon that can just come in and KO you even if you agility up. Additionally, it's incredibly unlikely you manage to get off a double dance without screens support. The team is labeled pecharunt stall but the only mon with any sort of longevity is pecharunt, so I'm not sure how helpful toxic would be on it on this team, I feel like plot recover stabs would make more sense especially since it has a move that has a 50% chance of toxicing anyway.
Now that rotom has pain split again personally I feel like protect is a wasted slot. Also I'm not sure what you've put it at 230 speed for, but maybe you know something I don't. 220 makes sense if you want to outpace like, jolly bellydrum azumarill
scarf lando has fallen off this gen with the influx of many faster mons. I think lando is useable, but I don't think scarf is a viable set it's better off w helmet or something like that
whole team is pretty weak to valiant if it has shadow ball you cant even speed tie to hope to beat it cause your val doesn't touch val, any valiant set wins pretty easily if pecharunt takes chip/dies or if hazards go up (you have no removal or hazards of your own so you always lose the long game)
also you're too weak to volcarona or even iron moth, pecharunt doesn't take 2
I hope this helps for your next build, good luck and have fun

[strange wraith]

idk how to make teams :(

i just wanted to feel achieved by making a team

[fierce basin]

Run up your rating with a sample team you like the style of and you'll figure out what's necessary from experience on the ladder

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/901ef79a6fef4a08

not sure whether av w/weather ball or lefties w/ cm on this team is better

[fierce basin]

I would not run weather ball on weatherless. Additionally, balance needs to carry something like pex or glowking to not get 6-0d by volc/hatt like this team is

[quick bluff]

i was just thinking weather ball because chilly reception, but alr
and i'll swap slowking for glowking

[fierce basin]

Oh I'm tripping

But I would still run cm

[quick bluff]

sounds good!

https://pokepast.es/6e8c5d4bb7dbb863 this look better then?

[fierce basin]

You need t wave or psyshock or smth in the glowking to not lose to volc

Personally I think balance has too many threats to account for to use a less than optimal mon like swampert but I hope you make it work

[ruby crest]

Ditch the pert tbh me thinks

[fierce basin]

Yeah

It's really hard to justify

[quick bluff]

done, dropped slack off for twave

[quick bluff]

probably fair yeah

i'll do a bit of testing but if swampert does not perform i can drop it for ting lu or smth

[ruby crest]

Hoenstly

Ting Lu would be better here gives u an actual ghost resist

[quick bluff]

yeah probably

wanted to test swampert because it having a pivot move is interesting, and eq/ice beam threatens quite a bit of the meta offensively as well

[ruby crest]

While on paper yes most of the mons u wanna check can easily over whelm u especially when ur bulk is just average despite having a fantastic defensive typing

[azure pecan]

https://pokepast.es/1b880d84c445d007

how we feeling

[viral sable]

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[azure pecan]

struggling a lot vs deo and lead darkrai

[ruby crest]

What team doesn’t struggle with lead darkrai , tho jokes aside I would suggest gliscor > tusk, make this hex pult > specs, do ice shard > low kick on weavile, and honestly would recommend a breaker of some sort

Over volc

[azure pecan]

ill give these a shot

what glisc set? impish? or like sd

[ruby crest]

Rocks spdef

[azure pecan]

https://pokepast.es/0853dea34f841320

hows this?

never actually used hex pult or spdef scor before, not sure what the evs are supposed to be

also not sure if id be better off w darts over draco

[ruby crest]

I Prefer darts, u missing a move on scor also spdef scor is to take on plethora of special attackers like raging bolt, pult, etc also do Tera dragon on skarm@

[azure pecan]

oh scor is meant to be quake mb

and yeah spdef scor is good in theory im just not sure how much speed ur meant to run

[azure pecan]

176/80/252 hasty on pult?

skarm was tera fire bc i was having trouble w dual stab gouging, but ill try dragon again

[ruby crest]

Speed is weird I have seen some that are like 56 speed or something around that

For like modest volcanion and friends

[azure pecan]

ye makes sense

ill do that and see how it plays out

if im getting 2hkod by everything ill reconsider lol

teams rlly weak to volcanion anyway

[ruby crest]

Yeah gotta play around with gking + bolt but it’s not a super common Mon

Also you can do lefties > booster on bolt for better longevity

[azure pecan]

ye i think the immediate power of booster prolly better but i can test leftys later down the line for sure

big issues for this team have historically been cm hatt and qd volc, still think the matchup into them is kinda awful do u have any ideas?

https://pokepast.es/d7583dd3e0bdf72b for reference

[leaden lance]

how would you improve this?

it keeps bricking....

[upper maple]

Use pokepaste

[leaden lance]

ok sori

https://pokepast.es/438f4d34150dd262

[viral sable]

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[upper maple]

Remove blissey

[leaden lance]

whyyy

[upper maple]

It's a stall mon

[leaden lance]

do you think kingambit would benefit the team?

[upper maple]

Could you give me your reasoning for suggesting gambit

[leaden lance]

well he would be a good last resort finisher and a dark pokemon, both of which I don't have in the team yet

i wonder if I should put a Kingambit counter inside instead

i checked on replayscout and my opponent uses it a lot

[fierce basin]

This team needs to be scrapped, there's no synergy between the mons, blissey really on fits on hard stall right now, cloak is a wasted item slot on pex in current meta, you're running a dd terablast kyurem but still somehow walled by steels (needs to be terablast ground to be viable) and you're basically 6-0d by booster bulk up tusk at lead once ghold balloon pops. I would recommend picking up a sample team and playing until you figure out why specific mons are necessary and why some aren't.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
hope this helps for your next attempt, good luck and have fun

[leaden lance]

i have a way better team

do you want to see

i just thought that it's too simple

https://pokepast.es/4c564d6b2478c57f

[woeful plume]

ignoring adamant landorus scarf does this look good?
https://pokepast.es/5a1bc68abdd45d72

[leaden lance]

i think about removing eject button from hatterene

it caused multiple annoyances in the past

but also saved my butt in other situations

[fierce basin]

Is this supposed to be h.o with lead samurott? Focus band only works 10% of the time, if you're gonna run a suicide lead it should be sash. Additionally, I don't really get what eject hatt is doing on a team like this it isn't like you're leading with a terrain setter or weather setter that you have to keep to justify an eject button. Also 4 attacks feels like a waste when you could have nuzzle or healing wish or calm mind etc. Bulk up careful ceruledge with flash fire usually runs tera bug, but it isn't viable in current meta IMO, and people really only did this before it had poltergeist. I think the best bulk up tusk set is spin over cc and tera ice is bad, imo run poison or steel. Boots on your guys on h.o with hatt is largely unnecessary and you'd benefit more from different items, you shouldn't have to worry about toxic debris off glim since you're running surf on the hamurott. I guess it's not as nonsensical as the last one but I would still scrap

[leaden lance]

i have healing wish on hatt

[fierce basin]

My bad I don't know why I read 4 attacks but the rest is relevant

[leaden lance]

i gotta use this in a tournament like

now

daaawg what can I change to make it at leastr a bit viable

do you think a sample team can win me the game? @fierce basin

oh nvm it's 1vs1 i didn't see

i can only have 3 pokemon

oopsieeee gotta build a new team really quick

can I DM you I need help really quick

[fierce basin]

I felt like if I started making changes the team would be unrecognizeable, but here's a paste of your team without trying to optimize the pokemon themselves but just the sets. I made ceruledge sash weak armor, if you keep hazards off the field sash ceruledge with weak armor gets +2 +2 if hit with a physical attack as you swords dance, I put ghold on a balloon and made it tera dark so maybe you can catch a pult offguard so it doesnt shadow ball everything, I put spin on tusk and made it tera poison, I took eject off hatt and made it cm nuzzle https://pokepast.es/d91e221446f3f48e

Dont DM me I have to go someone will help if you post here but not for 1v1.

Good luck

And have fun

[fierce basin]

Sample teams are always a safe bet

And if you don't have experience building they're a great way to learn why stuff is the way it is

[leaden lance]

I see I see, thanks!

[mystic quarry]

https://pokepast.es/5f1f698f490150b3 feeling kind of meh about this but it was my first try at a sun team, thoughts?

[brisk cedar]

Run an offensive Great Tusk over Gliscor

[hushed sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/0538576ca822ee0a any tips to make it better?

[brisk cedar]

Tera ground venu too

[delicate dirge]

https://pokepast.es/a9e12ba0a5e3f4af I feel that this team could be improved in some way, but idk how so I accept any suggestions

[viral sable]

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[brittle coral]

https://pokepast.es/51f3379208543b3a Pretty new to teambuilding, any advice on building would be appreciated

[spiral fable]

Why are you running scarf kingambit
Waterpon isn't very good on ho in general and especially doesn't want spikey shield
Raging Bolt is meh but without webs on ho you have better options
Val prefers tbolt/shadow ball/coverage to be able to actually hit dirge and ghold
Dirge does not fit on ho at all
I would recommend you run a sample right now, here's a link to another glimm ho
https://pokepast.es/504248597d4d20d3

[spiral fable]

You dont need two choiced mons on a team, especially since they're both meant to be breakers
I really don't think lefties rillaboom really works, knock and taunt are annoying sure but with only grassy glide as your stab and no way of boosting power you fail to check a lot of threats you should otherwise with a band set(not saying you should run banded rillaboom on this team you defo do not need more choiced mons)
What's up with the evs on tusk
Why is your heatran tera bug, whats up with the evs
Why is your zapdos full spattack and spdef
Why is your hamurott full hp evs

Overall this team doesn't really have a lot of synergy, it seems like you're trying to go for a weird bulky offense/balance but you have no set up sweepers, hamurott isn't the best hazard setter for this style of team, your evs are all over the place, you have no actual defensive mons besides heatran, nor defensive pivots

I would recommend you use a sample for now, here's a link to them

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[brittle coral]

k thanks, so what do you think is a good item on rillaboom besides choice band? btw I ran tera bug on heatran cause I figured bug resists ground and fighting.

[spiral fable]

I mean theoretically a sd set with lefties wouldn't be that bad

wouldn't really fit with the rest of your team though

Tera bug heatran is aight but you'd much rather prefer grass imo

[brittle coral]

alr I'll try that thanks

[quaint swan]

https://pokepast.es/9f424da5b83c4456

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/b531602f8ae0ffa7

[tropic orchid]

So a little preface, I love weather teams. So obv this team could benefit from changing up some of the mons to not have everyone be an ice type, but I wanna try to make this as competitive as possible without losing the original idea. The goal is a full ice type, snow warning, aurora veil, OU team. There are a few pokemon on the team who aren't ou, but there's not a lot of ice pokemon in ou lol. I thought about adding kyurem, but I don't really know what he does, so if anyone thinks he could fit then lmk how i can make this work. Also lmk if there are any mon you guys think would fit better/some better sets/ev spreads. https://pokepast.es/822e062af877413c

I won my first two games I tried with this team, but I know it can be better

[ruby crest]

Mono ice is just asking for failure

Could prob work better in mono but in ou it’s just not good

[sly mauve]

1.scrap abomasnow,you don't need 2 weather setters,maybe get a kyurem in there ig

[tropic orchid]

Yes it is, but with the new snow change and terra types, I wanna see how I can optimize it

[sly mauve]

also the weavile set is really wack
replace throat chop with sd and use hdb

[tropic orchid]

hdb?

heavy duty boots?

[sly mauve]

heavy duty boots

[tropic orchid]

word I like that

[ruby crest]

It’s going to be hard optimize and won’t be worth it in the long run, if you wanna run it feel free but we are always going to suggest what is best

[tropic orchid]

yeah thats fair lol

I love meme teams

[sly mauve]

ah yes
a meme team gets rated faster than my actual ladder team
https://pokepast.es/b531602f8ae0ffa7

[ruby crest]

Honestly this team would be a lot better if there wasn’t Harc personally

[sly mauve]

oh come on

[ruby crest]

ik it’s the focus

But man

Is it overshadowed

[spiral fable]

You can’t complain you don’t get rated

[ruby crest]

However

[spiral fable]

And then when you get rated complain about the advice

[ruby crest]

Since u are building around it

We will keep it

it has a slight niche even tho every other breaker would be so much better

[sly mauve]

i'm just expressing slight annoyance

[sly mauve]

that's good enough for me

[ruby crest]

Do ting Lu > great tusk, make this pivot meow > scarf, and zama > prima, you generally would use Av prima in more offensive teams even then u have ting Lu and gking so ur good when it comes to needing special bulk, zama gives u a secondary breaker while also speed control and also good offensive check to a lot of stuff

[sly mauve]

what would be a good set for zama

[ruby crest]

Hdb 4 attacks

[sly mauve]

ah
so bootspam

[tropic orchid]

Should I run loaded dice dd kyurem, hdb SpA kyurem, or choice specs kyurem for my team?

[ruby crest]

Ye

[sly mauve]

alr
cool

[spiral fable]

swap tusk to booster speed bulk up, drop moon for venusaur, swap gouging to a loaded dice scale shot set, swap hatt to a eject button healing wish set, swap wake to a spattack booster

[ruby crest]

Wake is fine

[spiral fable]

Eh I think they’ll need the extra power with no more moon

[ruby crest]

honestly moon was fine as well could’ve just replaced gouging with venu either way you go it’s going to be fine

[empty forge]

https://pokepast.es/9f0c2e613da50487
im low ladder awful at video game is this decent / ( how ) can it be improved
idea of just getting a bunch of status conditions to allow dragapult to kill everything with hex or serperior to set up for free idk
cook me 🙏

[river roost]

https://pokepast.es/cd7b667c95025ecf

im finding a little success with this team but i would love to know the flaws of it.

[spiral fable]

This team just doesn't gel together at all
Why do you have two sash mons, especially sash pult and gambit
Your gambit set is wack, idk why you have twave over sd
Toxapex doesn't work with the rest of the team, nor gliscor, this is a heavily offfensive team but these two are fat defensive mons that can't pivot which loses you a bunch of momentum
Your pult set is also wack, if you want to run hex pult run the wisp set
I would recommend you just run a sample team for now, learn the metagame more and see the common sets and structures used for teams

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

Don't run stellar on serp, it'll prefer ground for the coverage
Bolt doesn't really fit on this style of ho, i would recommend swapping it out for volc
Blaziken is decent but frankly there's better mons, I would recommend RMoon with tera flying acrobatics
You might want a bulkier gambit set since you're not running webs

[manic elbow]

Is this an appropriate place for a beginner to ask for help building a team or is this just for rating established teams?

I feel like I have 4 mons with general synergy, but I do not know the meta at all and am not sure what to do with the next two and what holes I need covered. https://pokepast.es/2128ef811d24aea0

[spiral fable]

Rating established teams

[manic elbow]

Ah, sorry.

[spiral fable]

You shoudl ask #comp-general if you want to get help building new teams

[manic elbow]

Okay, thanks!

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/8f00ffb69ac6fb03

[viral sable]

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[forest magnet]

super weak to kyrem, i would suggest Slowking-g > clodsire

also did u make this urself? i feel like i have seen this b4 no offense

[velvet path]

i saw it on ladder

[velvet path]

if i use g king do i run spikes on skarm or glisc

[forest magnet]

glisc

keep wwind on skarm bc whirlwind is nice for phasing

bc u got spikes

[velvet path]

ok

[manic elbow]

https://pokepast.es/84cf249f2cba33dd This is what I ended up with. Not sure clefable synergizes well, but I wanted a knock-off user/absorber. Having trouble with Archaludon.

Maybe switch clefable to calm mind?

[proven helm]

Hey this is the first time I'm trying seriously to play competitive. I found a team on the smogon forum and played a bit with it, and had some success. However I was unsure about the last slot and made a few different attempts. I settled down on the fact that I needed a pokemon with unawere to deal with Volcarona and other set-up pokemon. Dondozo seems to be the perfect pokemon in theory and it works well for what i tried, but it feels very slow and I'm not sure if I'm messing up the team synergy. What do you think? https://pokepast.es/84a43be76251cb10

[junior tree]

https://pokepast.es/1c3ce76d15cd8de0
is this any good

[rigid light]

https://pokepast.es/33216add46a097c0

[junior tree]

Yoooo another Lokix team

[rigid light]

so is it good

[junior tree]

Lmao no clue

I just like Lokix

[forest magnet]

@junior tree @rigid light sorry to break it to yall, i would say don't use lowkix

its too weak to hazrds, and is walled by skarm glisc and corv really easily

:(

poor bugga

[junior tree]

But Lokix is cool af

So I will use bug

[forest magnet]

but umm if u rlly wanna use it, use it on lower tiers

like not ou

or just use specs keldeo bc it gets prio like lowkix and hits hard :D

[junior tree]

Lokix in ou would be so cool tho

[forest magnet]

that its true, but its just now possible rn

[junior tree]

But what if tinted lens

[forest magnet]

skarm is a 4x resist :(

[junior tree]

Knock off

[forest magnet]

252 Atk Choice Band Lokix Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Skarmory: 121-144 (36.2 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

once the item is off
252 Atk Choice Band Lokix Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Skarmory: 82-97 (24.5 - 29%) -- 99.6% chance to 4HKO

[ruby crest]

This is also skarm not even id boosted

[forest magnet]

^

[junior tree]

Should I add stealth rocks so this is a guaranteed 4HKO?

(:

[vestal pelican]

Archaludon @ Leftovers
Ability: Stamina
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Body Press
• Dragon Tail
• Iron Head
• Outrage

Raise of darkness (Darkrai) @ Wide Lens
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hypnosis
• Hex
• Dark Pulse
• Nasty Plot

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Swords Dance
• Substitute
• Poison Jab
• Fire Fang

Deoxys-Defense @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Stored Power
• Cosmic Power
• Recover

Hydrapple @ Red Card
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Giga Drain
• Dragon Breath
• Nasty Plot
• Dragon Cheer

Comfey @ Leftovers
Ability: Triage
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draining Kiss
• Giga Drain
• Calm Mind
• Leech Seed

[fierce basin]

!pokepaste

[viral sable]

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[fierce basin]

But I can tell from a glance at the wall of text that you're going to get referred to the sample teams

[quaint swan]

https://pokepast.es/5d19cba440605c4a

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

Please don't repost the same team 4 time with minor changes each time we've already rated this before

[proven helm]

can someone rate this, please?

[lean nexus]

https://pokepast.es/c5d0c14bf7f8ffa7
First team Pokemon-wise I picked by myself. I like giving mons some bulk without thinking whether it helps noticeably or if I'm doing it right so some thoughts on those mons would be nice. Also not sure if this team works with this Iron Crown set. Works some matches, becomes useless in others.

[viral sable]

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[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/80f3c247fb4e147d
Opinions? Laddered from 1500 to 1700 with this roaring moon offense

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/3020a1716f6634ba

Dropped from 1600 to 1000. Decided a change of pace was due so I set up a new team.

[tawdry verge]

A dedicated lead instead of gliscor could work here, since the team is very offensive anyway

what is the role of gliscor on your team?

ok so maybe try this: remove gliscor and use great tusk or lando, then go for sash deo with screens and a hazard, band on roaring moon and cm/specs on val. This way you have strong hitters and one of them can set up under screens and win

[spiral fable]

You have no immediate power, why do you have suicide lead darkrai on a non ho team and without hypnosis, pecharunt isn't good, you have no hazard removers and a full team weak to them, vest bolt doesn't really work, why do you have a spikes stacker meant for a more balanced playstyle on a team full of offensive mons, no physical attackers, whats up with the evs
I would recommend running a sample team for now to get a better grasp of the meta and how to build, here's the link to them

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[soft osprey]

Hmm I got a team of

Azumarill, Greninja, Lucario, Garchomp,Mimikyu, Valcarona

[spiral fable]

If you want a specs mon I would recommend either pult or kyurem over ghold, especially since you don't have a spikes stacker to really worry about keeping up hazards
This kinda seems like 1 step removed from a ho team, and you can easily drop Zapdos for a suicide lead and tweak a few sets and then you have a proper ho team
If you want to keep this kind of team though, i would recommend dropping zapdos for a more defensive pivot ie gking
Also imo tera ground is better for serp but that's up to you

[forest magnet]

send the paste please

[indigo arch]

Yo, can someone check my team out: https://pokepast.es/d1c576944a60407e

[viral sable]

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[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/ef4c488ec06046c5 Grassy terrain :)

[tawdry verge]

not sure whether the skeledirge fits here. you could swap that out for scarf enamorus and then make thundurus boots with nasty plot and tera fly to break for enam and dragonite

also: mortal spin is good on glommora since the meta is full of hazards. dnite should run a coverage move istead of roost, it will not have many opportunities to roost in this offensive meta

[indigo arch]

But I wouldnt have any defensive mons expect dragonite right?

[indigo arch]

but what move should I get rid off?

[tawdry verge]

you don't need much defensive capabilities on offense/hyper offense, some resists or checks to the common threats are good already. You should at least be able to revenge any theat in ou

here is my spin on it, feel free to change it to your liking https://pokepast.es/2cc305c7094b06b9

[grizzled mural]

So everything works except gliscor?

[soft osprey]

https://pokepast.es/c62243537402a3fc Here's the team

[junior tree]

Triple life orb go crazy

[soft osprey]

Hmm so what should I give them?

[quick bluff]

from the looks of this this is a natdexteam, this channel is for gen 9 ou rates only i think

[soft osprey]

Ohh ok

[fierce basin]

I dont love raging bolt as an abuser here since it doesn't have the longevity of some of the other ones. Since you have a bunch of setup guys I think maybe you should make it a screener, plenty of mons can do the job but im just slotting deoxys speed, since it's such a versatile mon they might just think it's entry hazards and play wrong
While I generally prefer banded rillaboom, I think on a team like this you should have extender so your sweepers can come in one after another if need be and still get their seed activated
I think the sinistcha should be tera steel over fairy. fairy lets it still get hit super effectively by gambit as well as letting it get toxiced, whereas with tera steel you cant get toxiced and a couple of your weaknesses are mitigated from heatproof and the grassy terrain
volcarona needs to be terablast ground so you dont get walled by and then swept by gouging fire
making your kingambit max speed to help vs opposing gambits, as well as making it terablast fairy
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/678db7c5cc9821f5
other options:
air balloon kingambit to help w roaring moon matchup, or low kick tera fight instead of the tera fairy terablast so you aren't weaker to opposing gambits
nuzzle on hatt over mystical fire (helps so if roaring moon teras on you you wont just get swept)
can probably mix up the screener slot or try to keep band on your rillaboom if it's been working out
hope this helps, good luck have fun

[vestal pelican]

https://pokepast.es/3c5e2b741955f37d

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[spiral fable]

All of these aren't viable sets and some of these aren't viable mons
Arch is fine but the set is extremely strange(physical arch?)
Darkrai isn't bad but wide lens is a waste and hex is strange when you need focus blast/sludge bomb instead to hit key targets, and hypnosis is rng fishing and you'd much prefer a coverage option
IDK why you have def and spdef invested on gliscor instead of investing hp, and sd gliscor isn't bad in a vaccum but the moves you have on it aren't good(no stab?) and if you're going offensive gliscor have your evs reflect that
Demon Deo D falls flat very easily and you should probably pick better tera types
Hydrapple isn't that good in OU, and dragon cheer is not a singles viable move
Comfey isnt' viable in ou
You don't seem to have a team structure in mind
I would recommend you run a sample team for now to get a grasp of the metagame and learn what mons/sets are viable and how to build
Link is down below

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[brisk cedar]

The most physical moves you can run on arch is 2

body press+earthquake+special dragon+eshot or dtail+press rocks stuff

[tawdry verge]

yes, the team should have constant offensive pressure, momentum should be on your side. when you go gliscor, they can go walking wake/val/keldeo/etc and then you are in trouble bc you can't switch into them with an offensive team unless you more or less give up a mon or predict

[soft osprey]

https://pokepast.es/19ac502fa25cb16a

[viral sable]

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[green citrus]

#1060339824537641152

But fwiw

This rain isnt as heavy on rain abuse as it could be

Often lando and lele would be like tornt and ash gren here, and maybe smth like manaphy over rotomwash to cover the fat matchup

There are other varients with Kokos and Magearnas and even stuff like weavile for latis but point is i think u should revamp half the team

[slow fiber]

https://pokepast.es/8033d65abd003855 Been doing well with this team, but im wondering how to improve it...

granted ive probably been doing well since im currently at 1200 elo

[upper maple]

That's a definitely not a probably

[ocean pumice]

choice items on ho are bad and you have two of them. meowscarada is questionable and ghold will have trouble keeping hazards up with a scarf. that volcarona just looks like bulkarona but with offensive evs
so i'd suggest:

• changing to tera ground and replace morning sun with tera blast. you could also do psychic/bug buzz over drain depending on what you need to cover
• dumping meowscarada
• putting a balloon on ghold, replace trick with sball

theres probably some things that i missed so ill just leave that to a rater

[slow fiber]

Thanks

what should I have on ghold instead of trick?

I alredy have sb on it

[ocean pumice]

didn't notice

nasty plot

[slow fiber]

thx

what should I place meowscarda with? Gambit?

[ocean pumice]

subglare serp maybe??

substitute glare leaf storm dpulse

not sure tho

[sly mauve]

dpulse is a fake move

[ocean pumice]

take this with a grain of salt cause im not a rater just an ho lover 🔥

[upper maple]

Fr

[ocean pumice]

well u hit a lot of dragons so thats cool plus this is sub glare on ho with tera reserved for volc

[sly mauve]

waiting for the uu channel to be up so i can act like a rater again

[ocean pumice]

like u dont really have a lot of other options

ig u can tera ground blast if ur fine with having 2 tera blast users because the team already shreds corv

[upper maple]

I don't think tera is reserved for volc

[ocean pumice]

i told him to change it to tera ground blast so

[slow fiber]

What about tera steller serperior

[upper maple]

Don't use it

Mid

[ocean pumice]

thats ok but if ur doing it u need tera blast

[ocean pumice]

?

[slow fiber]

yea subglare and then tera blast and leaf storm

[ocean pumice]

stellar blast serp and enam are both pretty okay

[upper maple]

Ground/fire is better on serp tho

[ocean pumice]

oh wait i just realized

bad heatran mu

does volc bug buzz do a lot to grasstran lemme check

[slow fiber]

My team is pretty weak to heatran

other then iron boulder

[ocean pumice]

yea but u cant swap boulder in and u also waste the booster

[upper maple]

It's HO so you don't really waste your booster

[slow fiber]

yep

what about mold breaker excadrill

[ocean pumice]

fire = lose to tran
ground = lose to corv

[slow fiber]

wait nvm

[ocean pumice]

both are good im just saying

stellar is fine

[ocean pumice]

yea but if he sends it out to beat heatran what next,, swapping it out would be wasting it

[slow fiber]

https://pokepast.es/415e1bdd9e14d241 What I have so far

[ocean pumice]

ground tera on serp

for tran

[slow fiber]

ok

and volcarona beats tera grass tran

frogot to ev serp

[upper maple]

What's next is to set up or attack, you have rocks + spikes

Well ofc the opponents might be running boots spam

Though boots spam when they have tran is unlikely

[slow fiber]

https://pokepast.es/eafa7206c19d910e Final Team

thanks for the assistance

[austere field]

https://pokepast.es/e53117ed1d9c9bcd

Any feedback

[junior tree]

https://pokepast.es/096e23eb358fc108 what can i add as my last mon?

Thinking hydreigon for a ground immunity, ghost and water resist

[ruby crest]

Rmt channel is for completed if u need help completing it ask in #comp-general

[junior tree]

Ok

[spiral fable]

No breakers, why do you have rocky helmet on a spdef mon, why are you running boots on ghold instead of air balloon, why are you not running make it rain, this team gets 6-0ed by roaring moon

[austere field]

Fair enough

Would specs on pult be better

[spiral fable]

Run dpulse over glare on serp you aren’t trying to paraspam anyways, roaring moon is objectively better Weavile for this kind of team, ghold doesn’t fit on this fast paced offense, swap it out for bulky gambit instead

[spiral fable]

Yes but then you run into the issue of having no hazard removal

[austere field]

True I was trying to go for the boot spam style

[slow fiber]

https://pokepast.es/fffa5e09e227dd26 I want to use weavile for this team, but how are these changes

[spiral fable]

You have my advice

If you don’t want to follow it it’s up to you

[slow fiber]

Fair enough

I did switch out gholdengo, since you are right about it not fitting

[iron slate]

https://pokepast.es/296467eb01183c4d first genuine attempt at an ou team. They all feel somewhat strong in testing but it feels like smth is missing and I cant put my finger on it

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[spiral fable]

No hazard setter, I can’t tell what team structure you’re going for, scarf thundurus isn’t good, band scizor is alright but doesn’t fit with the team, sash gambit is bad, why do you have ice punch instead of knock on Val

O yeah Tauros isn’t viable in ou

This team feels like you slapped together 6 offensive mons without a team idea in mind

I would recommend running a sample team for now

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

Learn how certain play styles are structured (HO is 1 suicide lead 5 sweepers, balance has a few defensive pivots and hazard setter/remover with a breaker and set up sweeper, etc)

[iron slate]

Gotcha ty

[junior tree]

https://pokepast.es/801b86ae1e398ab6

[tawdry verge]

not too bad. what's the team built around? or which mons would you like to keep.for sure?

[junior tree]

It’s ‘built around’ Lycanroc, and I want to keep heatran

I say ‘built around’ because this was my second team made and idk im not really sure how you build around something

[tawdry verge]

ok lycanrock can work but o nly if you surprise your opponents

for example banded tough claws boosted and tera boosted cc/play rough/double edge etc

it may take 1-2 mons by surprise and then late game you have prority accellrock

what do you plan to hit with play rough?

[junior tree]

Tusk

[tawdry verge]

here is a version you could try https://pokepast.es/bedc5d5b25175def

[wanton root]

https://pokepast.es/49ce178b9ca5911d

[tawdry verge]

banded lycanrock to surprise the opponent and break bulky mons. meowscarada helps with the gliscor and other fat stuff like dodonzo, slowbros. scarf on hydra for revenging/helping lycanrock if banded accellrock does not work out when sweeping. Also good against recent psychic spam teams. against skarm and covi or other phys walls, try to cc and then switch heatran as they have to roost

[junior tree]

Idk if their set was weird, but lycanroc cc with lorb did 53 to a skarm, idk if that was just a good roll

[junior tree]

Also I want a way to hit dengo or tusk

Also sub drei can wall most gliscor sets

[tawdry verge]

but you would get lo recoil as they roost and heal with lefties

[junior tree]

Yea but what skarmory is using roost first turn

[tawdry verge]

sub could work, but then instead of meow yo would need a different mon for speed

[junior tree]

Dragapult is there, maybe change it to specs?

[tawdry verge]

specs pult + sub hydra?

[junior tree]

Yea

[tawdry verge]

could work, but the team would miss a bit the speed

one could run scarf lati

instead of pult

[junior tree]

Yea that makes sense

[tawdry verge]

with trick for the walls to lycanrock

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/831cb98e5230fdc4

[ruby crest]

This looks fine tho it honestly wants an immediate breaker

[velvet path]

like what mon do i swap out though

[ruby crest]

Serp tbh

[velvet path]

what should i replace with

[ruby crest]

Zama comes to mind tbh also make pult wisp > twave

[velvet path]

Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 232 HP / 124 Atk / 152 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Body Press
• Heavy Slam
• Stone Edge
• Crunch

this good?

[ruby crest]

Just do max attack max speed with Tera steel and cc > bpress

[velvet path]

ok

[quick ether]

https://pokepast.es/79a8df32b2098e49
How's this team looking for y'all? I really enjoy the Moon-Volcarona-Hatterene combination and wanted to make a balanced team around it (I've tried a HO version but it didn't work out super well for me)

[viral sable]

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[forest magnet]

seems like a worst version of https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/120-potential-1-peaked-2085-volcarona-roaring-moon-iron-boulder-ho.3732995/#post-9917881

if you wanna keep such an offensive core, i would suggest going full offensive

[quick ether]

yeah that's the one I played originally; But I really felt the lack of something good to pivot into against other high offensive mons

[forest magnet]

The point of HO is to position well to keep the offensive mons from ever entering or forcing them out

you need to be good at switching

[quick ether]

that makes sense I guess. It certainly feels a lot harder to pilot correctly than the more balanced teams I've tried

Hence why I wanted to make a more balanced version

[forest magnet]

sadly the core that you mentioned only really works on HO

u can try volc on balance tho

if u like more defnsive stuctures

[quick ether]

How about Moon, is it like a full HO mon or could you fit it as a sweeper in a balanced team somewhere?

[forest magnet]

probaly more on an offensive team

defo not a balanced team tho, it offers little to no defensive utility

volc can act as a switch-in to moonblast, and flame body procs

[quick ether]

And would Hatt work too? I really love how often it can just switch into hazard setters and set up

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/c5ecb8d4422eacc8 volc
https://pokepast.es/7d081ec8ed8dc8b8 hatt

@quick ether

hope that helps :D

[quick ether]

Huh, nice! Thanks a lot

[hardy bough]

Really struggling to find a special abuser for this Trick Room team (ignore Chandelure, it's just my latest tryout). Any suggestions are appreciated. 🙏
https://pokepast.es/a88298602ed54743

[brisk cedar]

Trick Room isn't viable but I'd replace Diancie with Porygon2, Bronzong with Cresselia and Chandelure with Kingambit which is the standard trick room team

Over iron hands I think you run something else but I forgot what

[hardy bough]

Three physical abusers? 🤔

[brisk cedar]

Could also try Deoxys Defense over one abuser (not hatt)

Setter*

[brisk cedar]

Ursaluna and Kingambit are strong enough to where they can overpower physical walls

Especially if you run a tera dark black glasses variant

[hardy bough]

Thanks, was there a suggestion for hands replacement?

Having ice punch is quite nice against gliscor and dragonite

[brisk cedar]

For hands you could try what you already have or add something like an enamorus therian or booster energy swords dance iron hands

Wild Charge > Supercell and Sword Dance > Fire Punch

[hoary trench]

https://pokepast.es/38fef0c0d3e318b5

[viral sable]

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[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/21240137e7146e0e

realized i need dengo here probably

[ruby crest]

u really dont dengo is not as mandatory in hstacks tho this team really could use something for gfire while also some immediate breaking power

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/e27c03830b7e375c this team feels good but I might not need gholdengo.

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[tawdry verge]

looks fun. what mons is the team built around and what is the idea/goal of the team?

[fiery sapphire]

Built around kingambit and iron val abusing hazard stack chip.

Primarina makes for a good spdef pivot and i might replace ghold for a scarf pivot like lando or smthn

[tawdry verge]

https://pokepast.es/d14494646a5a08b0

scarf latios is a faster revenger and also has flip turn. also adds some nice resists to the team

ass vest makes primarina passive, a cm set is more dangerous and can really break past special defenses together with val. lati can sweep with their support

oh and black glasses gives gambit more immediate power, something that this team really needs more of

[tawdry verge]

I actually like your lando idea better https://pokepast.es/ebc5341bbdcce568

[fiery sapphire]

Hmm maybe hp ice over grass knot as well

Cuz against black glasses king, tbolt iron val, and calm mind primarina no real bulky water type wants to face them.

Tbh if we use hp ice we could just make this scarf special lando

Wait nvm

Gen 8 brain

Hmmm might use torrent over liquid voice. Surf deals just as much as hyper voice and psychic noise hits mons like pex without forcing a switxh

[tawdry verge]

maybe haze for volcarona, team has problems with it

[wanton root]

This build looks really interesting

How does it handle tspikes

[tawdry verge]

tusk (tries to) spin I guess

maybe a different item instead of specs on val?

but specs moonblast is nice, just not again broken volc

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/bdcf5cffa0e27702 maybe something more like this?

[hasty dune]

https://pokepast.es/7a035d0d2dc9a40b I know Greninja is UU but I really want to make him work in OU

I tried to go for a balance of 3 phys and 3 special attackers, hence why Iron Valiant is running a phys set

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/a5fd1bd1fcba755e

Was wondering, should i go specs keld over scizor? I liked scizor for the kyurem answer, but for every other situation keld does it better, so i was curious (havent used keld before so i wasnt sure)

[viral sable]

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[high pier]

arent u extremely weavile weak?

[forest magnet]

no

clef checks it

i got it

[high pier]

alr

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/a3388a5bcfbf9e66 You could try Keld if you wanted, but I just kept Scizor for now. Anyways, I just changed the Clef set a bit to give more utility, Encore is to lock things into setup moves/useless moves like Salt Cure or Dragon Dance. I made Pult Boots instead for less weaknes to hazards, and swapped Drill for Tusk and made it Bulk Up for a secondary win condition. I made Scizor Tera Eletric + Blast to lure and eliminate/weaken Skarm and Corv to enable Tusk better, and made Gliscor SpD because Pult supports it already with Wisp. Can act as a Raging Bolt check which might give you some problems

[cloud blade]

Glisc was already spdef btw

Lol

I just didn’t have 252 cuz i had it calced for specific stuff it had to live

Like bolt draco

But ye thx!

[dark plank]

https://pokepast.es/5ce1d288af6ab189

Is this viable?

[acoustic umbra]

its not exactly meta but maybe you could make it work

[fallow kettle]

zero to hero only works on palafin

[dark plank]

Ohhh

[fallow kettle]

change tera types

and natures

and some items

chilling neigh sucks if your only attack is salt cure

[dark plank]

Right

[fallow kettle]

nvm you dont even have an attack on that one

[dark plank]

btw

What does SV stand for in this channel lol

NVM

[fallow kettle]

scarlet violet

[dark plank]

https://pokepast.es/48479c0f484c9345

now is THIS team any good

[fallow kettle]

no ground type

and no flying type

[brisk cedar]

This is sv ou

[fallow kettle]

/ levitate

[brisk cedar]

That's dou

[dark plank]

oopsies

Ignore the title then

:)

time to find the DOU channel thx for help

[quick ether]

https://pokepast.es/14a0ea410bdc314f
How's this looking? Dragapult is the main mon I'm unsure of right now, considering running another wall/defensive mon over it. But I kinda want to have a good check for Gholdengo in there somewhere

[viral sable]

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[hardy basin]

https://pokepast.es/e1e5f91d23c5fb91

thoughts? Doing Exca TTar sand again. IK there's that team with the keldeo and the glisc and amoonguss but personally i just wanted to use something a lil more familiar and a lil more unga bunga

that and i felt like having a few more ground resists cuz amoonguss never really cut it for me when it came to tanking strong neutral equakes anyway

(also lol apple 600 bst just really makes it way tankier)

actually w8 i forgot to put pain split on rotom

[spiral fable]

So you have a sand team with only 1 abuser, and actually the rest of your team is directly hurt by the sand. Furthermore, tera blast on ttar makes it a tera sink, when ttar usually doesn't want to tera due to losing sandstorm boost
I would recommend dropping Wash and Hydrapple, neither are really good with this team (Arch would be a better vest mon, offering a decent matchup into rain, while a better physical pivot would be corv or gliscor)
Swap Ttar to a band set, you need the immediate power and smooth rock isn't necessary with only one abuser anyways. Swap stealth rock for eq and last slot can be coverage move of your choice, but I recommend ice punch, with tera rock
Swap excadrill to air balloon, with tera ground/steel for extra stab
Swap scarf on val for a booster set, you dont really need the scarf when you have sand rush excadrill and it's a nice cleaner endgame, drop trick for shadow ball/other coverage you want
Drop wash for arch, you can run a utility arch set(dtail bpress rocks) or vest set, though I would recommend utility for the hazards
Drop hydrapple for corv(gliscor works as well), don't run defog on corv if you do run it
Swap Torn T to an offensive ev spread, and I would recommend swapping it to a np breaker set but pivot is fine

[hardy basin]

so just to recap this entire wall of text,

1. archaludon and gliscor as my defensive core?
2. banded tar? ig i can go back to that
3. but what if i need immediate power outside of sand? that sht is basically the closest thing i can get to scarf and specs lele
4. what sets for corv or glisc?
5. do i run torn on the same team as i would torn or glisc?

[spiral fable]

I really recomend against trying to build a team structure based off of an old gen team just because the metagame is so vastly different

Banded ttar is necessary since it's basically the only way for ttar to pull weight on the team, sand isn't enough anymore

Arch and gliscor/corv for your defensive core, though I recommend corv for a better pivot

[hardy basin]

alright. teach me how to use the new guys then cuz idk shit about archaludon and i dont look forward to having a team that can get punched to death by zamazenta and some other fighting types that exist without having the other half of the team be capable of handling such bs lmao

[spiral fable]

Corv/gliscor both essentially 1v1 zenta, though corv does better into the possible idbp tera steel set

[hardy basin]

spreads? never liked max speed max attack. takes away a lot of versatility and i like having the hp for some clutch pivoting and 1v1s

[hardy basin]

even if zenta has wild charge?

[spiral fable]

I haven't seen any serious zenta set run wild charge outside of natdex

[hardy basin]

i played a lot of natdex prior to this so im painfully aware of that wild charge

[spiral fable]

Without max speed you will get outspeed by base gliscor and adamant scizor with max speed invest

[hardy basin]

since when tf did scizor start running max speed lmao

also wait doesn't gliscor always invest into speed to outspeed everything that's sub 70?

[spiral fable]

A lot of gliscors just go full bulk

[hardy basin]

i still remember it outspeeding nearly every tank with like 20 speed at least

if not something like 100 or so in past gens

[spiral fable]

Please rememebr that this is sv ou

[hardy basin]

why the change to full bulk?

[spiral fable]

And past gen knowledge isn't really applicable to this gen

More offensive metagame and lack of roost

You need all the bulk you can get

[hardy basin]

okay fair enough

[spiral fable]

Anyways, corv set i would recommend uturn roost bp brave bird but if you struggle with bp zenta you can swap on id bp set instead

[hardy basin]

uhh what?

im guessing that meant body press and iron defense

[spiral fable]

Yes

[hardy basin]

spreads?

[spiral fable]

252 252 hp def

[hardy basin]

idk defensive ev spreads that well unless they're maxed-oh wow

that was simple

and here i was thinking it'd be some super precise spread like old ferro or old pex

[spiral fable]

actually 248 hp 252 def for rounding

As for arch, just use the utility set on smogon

[hardy basin]

arch over rotom why? cuz yeah atm my goal is to consistently wall great tusk and some other fighting types

actually wait i probably could've mathed a better defensive core if i remembered everything i wanted to wall

actually your thoughts on what's best to wall water types fighting types grass types and other ground types?

cuz last thing i need is to get swept by a grassy glide rillaboom or something

[spiral fable]

frankly this is a fever dream

The best one would be, like i said, corv, but it'll struggle against rain teams

You can't take on 4 types like that

[hardy basin]

fine just grass water and fighting ig? cuz the only thing that comes to mind is the super passive green tea sinistea

and idk how to build that sht lmao

[spiral fable]

Once again there's no real mon that can cover all three defensively, theoretically dnite covers this but defensive dnite is a joke

[hardy basin]

(also fk kyurem lmao i just remembered at this rate im gonna be kyu weak again)

[spiral fable]

everything is kyurem weak

[hardy basin]

okay fair enough

[spiral fable]

Corv Arch is a decent defensive core, and for the Kyurem matchup you have to bait ice beam into ttar

That or sac a mon

Kyurem's kinda stupid

[hardy basin]

wait the two steel types make a core anyway despite the fact that none of em wanna eat a special hit?

[spiral fable]

Corv Arch should be a fine matchup into the rest of the tier

[hardy basin]

is that thing getting suspect tested any time soon? cuz it's starting to gimme dracovish ptsd rn

only this time i have no salvation at all

[spiral fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

O yeah you could also drop Val for iron Boulder if you’re into that ig

[hardy basin]

nah i'd be hard pressed for special attackers otherwise

also it's not a keldeo that hates salt cure

cuz fuck you garg :V

can't beat it with water and steels cuz salt cure, can't beat it with fighting types and ground types cuz it teras outta rock typing to be fairy or water and body presses u to death anyway... son of a bitch...

stupid fking garg

[spiral fable]

Garg is an alternative to arch if you want to run it

Does basically the same thing

Gives you a better synergy with sand but worse matchup into rain

[bleak ermine]

Hi there, this will be my first post here, this is my current HO OU team https://pokepast.es/784f5e0155d02b94 I'm in the constant 1,2-1,3k range so is there something I can improve here? I am aware of some general problems but dunno how to solve it.

1. I know I need stealth rock, but which moves should I replace on Great Tusk
2. Should I replace LO Rilla with Band? What do I put in place of swords dance?
3. I think I'm lacking special attacker as Rai isn't enough sometimes and Ninetales damage is a joke even to quad weak things
   I'm willing to change the comp but I want to keep Gyarados at least if possible. Thank you in advance

[hardy basin]

and since ttar can handle my sun matchup... actually ur thoughts on assault vest ttar?

[spiral fable]

Bad

[hardy basin]

cuz yeah i did some calcs and it dawned on me i get outsped by scizor anyway

scizor's base 65 speed while ttar is base 61

[junior tree]

You could do high horsepower on rilla

[hardy basin]

eh fk it imma just outspeed uninvested gliscor lmao

then dump whatever i can into hp and pray lol

say what else walls great tusk atm

[bleak ermine]

Oh right so I'll just put band then? ok

[hardy basin]

cuz at bare minimum i need to be able to handle a great tusk that can set up on me

aside from a corviknight what else do u think would be great

[bleak ermine]

Skarm? They're basically the same thing

I didn't play much and don't really know what are the top threats now after area zero

[hardy basin]

1. fk great tusk

2. fk gholdengo (as usual)

3. fk kingambit (also as usual)

4. fk volcarona

those are some personal ones i kinda dislike

maybe throw in rillaboom too

idk if it counts cuz they nerfed grassy glide but i still remember what he did to my gen 8 experience

also maybe try giving yourself enough ways to brute force certain walls like gliscor unless u want em to sit in ur face and wall u forever ig

https://pokepast.es/6cc01f53147801db

Thoughts? At this point, Imma take a chance on the Sinistcha cuz yeah it really does fit the bill for "wall fighting grass water and ground all at once" with that grass ghost typing

actually wait that fucker can learn scald too lmao

okay fk it now i remember why people prefer keldeo here

holy fuck it just dawned on me how good its matchup into KG is

also yeah just dawned on me having that many steels on a team makes me garg fodder

[wanton root]

https://pokepast.es/c94d36ec963277c0

@spiral fable

[spiral fable]

No speed control, no breaker, why do you have both gliscor and skarmory and neither of them have spikes

This sample team is so similar you might as well use it

https://pokepast.es/f8fa51152bd7644e

[hardy basin]

https://pokepast.es/5865b06f3cb01316

random but a while back i netdecked this while looking for ideas and i wanted to know what spreads were some of these teched for

all ik is MAMOSWINE IS THE GOAT HOLY SHT THIS THING HITS LIKE A FKING TRUCK

[hardy basin]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2038286998

okay serious question how tf do i even play these long drawn out games omfg

upside, pretty sure at this point it's probably just skill issue and that the team is working out as intended at least

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2038310406 like, i can at least play vs sun ig? a lil iffy about rain since i barely see it, but yeah at best i just have trouble with fat?

[silk hamlet]

please dont use the rate my team channels to get replay feedback

[hardy basin]

it's not entirely replay feedback? i'm using em as reference for the team

ie use cases

cuz yeah i have no idea if i'd be better off with other teras or some other tweaks

[hardy basin]

hell idek why this particular team has such a weird ttar spread i mean look at that. it caps at 201 speed, for reasons i totally do not know about, and it's mixed with expert belt lol. idek how this sht top cut in the ladder at all but i just tried adapting it for the sake of making it more braindead

atm, this is what i've kept

https://pokepast.es/54d9e27408b1c269

[silk hamlet]

it is still replay feedback, it is only fine as a one time thing, if you are repeatedly gonna ask for advice on your replays use the comp channels. and either way even there dont spam replays

[hardy basin]

fine fine chill =3=; i just wanted to know what to do with this team of mine to make it more consistent or if i've done all i can thus letting me know it's just skill issue

i mean seriously ain't that the point of team building? to make sure it's only skill issue that would ever hold you back?

[hardy basin]

seriously though anything you think this gets walled or 6-0'd by?

cuz again, i have no idea if it's just skill issue or if i really forgot a few things

[junior tree]

lol when I used that team I also named my keldeo d’artagan

[hardy basin]

eyy

but fr tho. thoughts?

something tells me idk sht like deo s might give me trouble in case i can't switch in on it or something?

[spiral fable]

Please stop spamming the channel if you are posting replays or asking questions about teams you did not make

[spiral fable]

Frankly, I would recommend you run a sample team. Gyarados just isn’t good, none of these mons fit that well on screens besides Tusk and you’re running the wrong set, Rillaboom doesn’t fit on HO in general if it’s not gterrain HO, you’re lacking a lot of mons that would actually use the screens well, and screens in general aren’t that good due to lead deo s completely shutting it down.

[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/72338e877ef6a277

[spiral fable]

If I were to fix this team I would have to swap out at least 4 mons

Just run a sample for now to get a better grasp of the metagame first: here’s the link

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[quick ether]

https://pokepast.es/14a0ea410bdc314f
How's this looking? Dragapult is the main mon I'm unsure of right now, considering running another wall/defensive mon over it. But I kinda want to have a good check for Gholdengo in there somewhere

[bleak ermine]

Dang I thought I was cooking something. Alright back to the drawing board it is. Thanks for the link

[spiral fable]

Psyterrain isn’t the best in ou rn, but if you really want to
Run dgleam over hyper voice on indeedee
Idk what’s up with the evs on polteageist but just run the smogon set with sash
Drop tusk for psyseed Hawlucha, Tera fire to bait molt and hit ghold with fire punch or Tera flying for big acrobatic
Drop armarogue for Zamazenta with psyseed and id bp crunch/heavy slam rest, tera steel
Swap hatt to an eject button nuzzle healing wish set, check smogon sets
Run the psyterrain set for iron crown, check the smogon sets for it

[tawdry verge]

what's the teams goal? Team looks a bit passive overall

[quick ether]

Yeah that's a problem I've noticed with it after testing. I was trying to make a balanced team around Dragonite, I quite enjoy using it

I'm wondering if Dragonite might fit better in a more offensive team

Though I hope there's a way to make it work outside of HO, I don't enjoy HO much after playing a lot of it

[tawdry verge]

you could try a bulky dd dnite set

dnite does well on offense with tera normal espeed but it can also work on more balanced teams

[quick ether]

How would that look like? I'm not super confident in my team building skills yet ngl

As in what teammates would be good with it

[tawdry verge]

could be something like this

https://pokepast.es/2bd7a74c439901ca

[viral sable]

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[tawdry verge]

band zenta hopefully weakens dnite counters. the rest is a bulky core but not passive due to possibilities for boosts. spikes/sr enable late-game espeed sweeps. chilly receptions can bring in zenta safely, while whirlwind sends out boosted mons

the team may be a bit slow, maybe slowking can be replaced with something faster, up to you

[quick ether]

Huh, I really like that one

Thanks a lot

[buoyant onyx]

I am still getting my bearings on this format so i made a team around one of my most beloved pokemon azu https://pokepast.es/e7d5fedb9d115d12

has a good amount of win somehow but maybe that because i am getting clueless oppoents

i still remeber that one guy somehow predicting my belly drum

will never forget

[toxic siren]

https://pokepast.es/8aa53cbb7cc7925a

rate pls I got to 1700 in a week

[forest magnet]

p standard ho

[toxic siren]

yeah got it from samples and changed it

I named it delusion tax cuz thats the song I listened to while making it lmao

[forest magnet]

😭

[toxic siren]

yeah I'm sorry

[forest magnet]

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Hex
• Hypnosis

@toxic siren

[toxic siren]

ghost???

butbut

[forest magnet]

here, and also we don't rate teams that are not made by u, and copied

[toxic siren]

tbolt kills corv

oh ic

ok

[forest magnet]

hypno turns it into setup fodder :D

[toxic siren]

sowwy

[forest magnet]

also gliscor

nah alls good, its ur first time

[toxic siren]

it's actually not LMAO

I just didn't know I did a few altercations

like the gambit glimm ghold and valiant sets I changed

Ghold and valiant I added instead of rona and hatterene

[fierce basin]

archaludon is a fully evolved pokemon and cannot benefit from eviolite. it should be assault vest and needs enough speed to outspeed kingambit
pelipper's set is unviable, chilling water should be surf, tailwind should be roost and imo it should be -speed nature for slower uturns (can also run spdef)
ogerpon wellspring doesn't really need rain support and should be a mon that abuses rain more like barraskewda
iron treads shouldn't run AV because then you cant fit rocks, it should be either booster energy or eject button
personally I don't think azu fits in a full rain team, maybe you could justify it in a semi rain that had like specs pelipper or something
here's a sample team that's similar to what you tried to create https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

if you want to try a rain with azumarill, I'd suggest this semi rain by vicbossmg
Description by VicBossMG: I wanted to use a team with Azumarill because with Ogerpon-W not being used as often Belly Drum seemed like a very good cleaner in this meta especially with the power of rain in the back. I added Archaludon because I wanted a special attacker and a special wall with the benefits of their signature move which was perfect for rain. Choice Specs Pelipper was appealing as it is a sleeper mon that hits hard with weather ball. Amoonguss with Red Card is really a life saver against certain threats and is my physical wall. Maushold is a very fun Pokémon for me and I wanted to have an Encore user and something that can always get hazards off vs Gholdengo. Kingambit just a good revenge killer and cleaner in end game especially having a steel type under rain taking halved fire damage
and the team https://pokepast.es/c5b1bd903ee4510d
hope this helps, good luck have fun

[hardy basin]

https://pokepast.es/f5a8cd401bcc76e9 anything i can swap out to improve the rain matchup? thinking of gliscor but he's both my rocker and my ground immunity

[viral sable]

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[forest magnet]

you just copied this team from an rmt

please don't post copied teams

[brisk cedar]

excadrill + amoonguss should be fine

vs rain

[real willow]

Isn't this a UU team or am I dumb

[brisk cedar]

It's an abr bw team that was adapted to gen 9 ou, I forgot who adapted it

[hardy basin]

nah i adapted it from some top ladder sand team cuz yeah i didn't really know what to do with excadrill. gave me a good starting point

[brisk cedar]

Scor and drill aren't legal in uu

[hardy basin]

although in practice it just dawned on me how much rain farms it. sure garg and zamazenta don't farm it but rain does as far as i'm concerned

thinking of replacing gliscor or mamo but idk with who

i tried corv and duraludon before but i got farmed by kingambit when he just SD'ed and supreme overlord swept me

was thinking of throwing zapdos in there both for a defog option in cases where i can't always spin or some other thing cuz fuck you gholdengo lmao (i still remember getting swept by it yesterday cuz ribombee gave it webs)

i've cycled between sinistcha, hydrapple, robo terrakion, iron valiant, zapdos, alo, SamuH, cinderace, deo S, dragapult, and corv, but to no avail

swapped back to keldeo after getting farmed by KG, and swapped back to mamo after getting farmed by garg and stall

[buoyant onyx]

why max speed king?

[buoyant onyx]

it was ass vest idk why it saids eviolite lol

arch is already faster then king naturally

idk why we have 56 in speed

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/f34efa7cd39b071e

Created a HO Team, Any thoughts/Suggestions?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Please do not fill the channel with posts about a team you did not make yourself

[stone turtle]

https://pokepast.es/bd0ea95647e10eb6 I want to see what I should do with this team. It's been very succesful as of building it.

probably gonna switch u-turn on corv for iron head

[ocean pumice]

• suicide lead (deos) on a non ho without the ability to keep hazards up is weird
• cm less bolt as well
• band boulder is questionable
• tailwind is bad on singles
• moon prefers knock and eq so no dragon stab

[stone turtle]

non ho?

[ocean pumice]

these dont look like they synergize well but looks like ur leaning towards offense/ho so take the corv off probably

[stone turtle]

oh

nvm

[ocean pumice]

non hyper offense

[stone turtle]

ok

ill kim

[ocean pumice]

if i were u id replace corv with a ghold and fix the sets on everything else

[stone turtle]

how do i defog?

or should i get a spinner

[ocean pumice]

maybe u can take something off and use bulk up spin tusk?

[stone turtle]

boulder

[ocean pumice]

ill leave the rest to a rater

[calm ether]

I've been using these two very similar teams a lot pre-DLC 2. However, I haven't played a lot of OU since the DLC dropped, so I'm relatively unknown with the new threats. Some small insights in the meta and suggestions for this team are very welcome ;] https://pokepast.es/0fc4b2c940afee7b https://pokepast.es/2b8b17b419b131db

[dreamy bramble]

Hey all. Made an OU team (been absent from the comp scene for a hot minute). How could I make this team better?
Hey all. Made an OU team (been absent from the comp scene for a hot minute). How could I make this team better?
https://pokepast.es/51fd4baa5f1e7f0b

[zenith delta]

https://pokepast.es/34c77925de5ed484
Anyone know how I can make this HO Pivot Team any better (I try not to use legendarys so go easy on me)

[zenith delta]

(I forgot to set my teras too I’m an idiot 🤦‍♂️)

[spiral fable]

This team is all over the place
You have suicide lead deo s on a non ho team, banded boulder when sd is better, tailwind corv when tailwind sucks in singles, wellspring running sd and uturn, moon with dragon claw over eq, and bolt with thunderwave instead of calm mind
Frankly, I would recommend you just run a sample team. You can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

Why are you subjecting yourself to such an arbitrary drawback? There is no moral high ground in not using a legendary, just unnecessarily holding yourself back
No HO team wants to use any pivots, and most of these mons don't work on HO. Jolteon and Talonflame aren't good in OU, Primarina isn't a HO mon but a bulky pivot, Specs Pult is not meant for HO which uses mostly sweepers, and Kingambit always needs Kowtow
You have no suicide lead setter and three of your mons aren't even set up sweepers while one of your remaining sweepers is a NU pokemon
I would recommend you use a sample team, and learn what mons are good in the meta and the common team structures first.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[brisk cedar]

Gambit set is fine

[spiral fable]

When did gambit start dropping Kowtow?

[brisk cedar]

dlc 2 it's only 80% usage now

[spiral fable]

wild

[brisk cedar]

It's still usually the best option

[spiral fable]

Though I don't really think the gambit set is make or break for this team

[brisk cedar]

But not mandatory anymore

Actually it's tera dark

If you're tera dark never drop kowtow

[brisk cedar]

Team is a weird combination of playstyles that seems ineffective, there's two very passive walls alongside a suicide lead and a booster, with no special backbone to speak of to combat the momentum loss

I'd use a standard HO

[spiral fable]

This team is sorely outdated
Mixed Dnite isn't very good
What's up with the ghold spread
Spikes teams always run two setters now, one rocks one spikes
You have two spdef walls while ghold is at best half a physical wall
Tusk with a speed booster set without the booster is very strange
No pivots
I would recommend you use a sample team for now: there's a decently similar spike stacking balance team i would recc you use
https://pokepast.es/77abcfc2f9418a52

[hasty dune]

https://pokepast.es/98191c209579316d I know Greninja is UU but I wanna make him work in OU

[dreamy bramble]

How would you recommend I improve it? I tried to build a team around Pecharunt because it seems pretty interesting so the choices were more built to shore up its weak points.

[fierce basin]

56 speed is to outspeed max speed jolly kingambit

[fierce basin]

Steel birds, opposing gambits etc

[brisk cedar]

Jolly

You outspeed max ada without sny investment

[fierce basin]

Thanks I just woke up it's for jolly

[buoyant onyx]

who runs that

[brisk cedar]

It's getting more common

Low kick more common, low kick kingambits running jolly in response to adamant low kick kingmabits

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/214451725c2aaf85

[viral sable]

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[candid kiln]

https://pokepast.es/1489d614ea90a0bb how do i fix this team

[junior tree]

I prefer a more spdef heatran with that set

[tawdry verge]

Garchomp > Ting Lu. It is an offensive team and Ting Lu takes away momentum

if you go that route, offensive dnite (no roost) anf scarf on zamazenta

I made a few minor changes, here is a more offensive version of the team https://pokepast.es/ed6a38b7099a9465
If you want other items (you have boots on 3/6 mons), maybe great tusk over chomp for hazard removal, has better mu against other hazard stacking teams, especially tspikes. But then you would lose the spikes support

[viral sable]

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[clear sentinel]

ive been using this team for a while, it seems pretty nice and it got me up to 1500 how is it

https://pokepast.es/96335ab80f26d89a

[velvet path]

if i do go tusk what set

[tawdry verge]

bosster item with max speed and attack, attacks are rapid spin, ice spinner, headlong rush, stealth rock

[velvet path]

ok thanks

[tawdry verge]

looks good. you could change exca. Go for a sash lead with screens (to set up easier) and hazards, like deoxys speed. Then volc with tera ground. Kingabit with could be max speed low kick (instead of iron head) to take on opposing kingabit and roaring moon better

[clear sentinel]

Cool thanks but with the volc tera how come ground

Like what's the point of it

[fierce basin]

Ground stops gouging fire from using you as fodder

Most importantly

[clear sentinel]

Oh ok

Tbh i found it's fine bc once I've done a few quiver dances i 2kho with bug buzz

[velvet path]

do i make it speed booster or attack

oops replied to wrong message

[tawdry verge]

maybe +speed nature if you want to outspeed adamant. in that case black glasses for more attack

oh in that case +speed on tusk to get fast rapid spin. to break stuff +atck would be better

[brazen kiln]

Hi, I've recently built this team for OU and it has been getting surprisingly good results, however there are still some awkward matchups like cinderace(or any fisical atacker that can hit corviknight really), dragapault and mewoscarada. The original version was using enamorous but changed it to wake to hopefully help with said matchups but honestly it just doesnt feel good to use. Would like to hear general feedback on the team and if you have any suggestions for making it better. thanks!
https://pokepast.es/2480aee1bdd62112

[viral sable]

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[tawdry verge]

if you want it to be more balance then you could run ting lu over clodsire and toxapex over walking wake. In that case corvi should be body press iron defense (as wincon, or bulk up tusk), tusk without av. pex with tspikes and ting lu with whirdwind to phase and let the hazards do its job. You also need knock off (samurott and/or tusk) then to get rid off boots

[hallow wharf]

https://pokepast.es/4c1c001145118359

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

o you can take this tyson

[ruby crest]

this is a solid build already, not a big fan on drill here as well as dengo not mandatory in a lot of hstack balances, recommend in making gliscor spdef, replace dengo with a skarm gives u strong physical wall and a great partner for glisc, make this hdb 4 attacks zama, and do bulky gambit > drill this gives u a dark resist and a reliable wincon with zama and kyurem opening up a bunch of holes for it

https://pokepast.es/48a6dfb97c6f8d8a importable of the team

[golden wasp]

does anyone have a team with manaphy I could use

[spiral fable]

ask #comp-general

we rate complete teams here

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/0410850c17e00611

[viral sable]

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[vast ledge]

This is my first ever team. I’m new to competitive pokemon and I would love some feedback:)
https://pokepast.es/a0824d9afb1f11d0

[twin geode]

Just made this team, feels fun to use for me can someone give me feedback on it and things i can do to make it better
https://pokepast.es/4df9168d19ee301a

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/6b3bacf9b3061398

[spiral fable]

This team is lost
You have suicide lead deo s, but then you have scarf hamurott and gking, neither of which fit on ho
Furthermore, ghold doens't really fit on this fast paced ho, and you're lacking a lot of mons like val or boulder that would prefer to be on this style of team
I would recommend sticking to a sample for now, link here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[fierce basin]

hi,
I'm having trouble coming up with changes that i'm satisfied with while keeping majority same mons, but since you also just asked for general feedback I'll do my best to let you know what's good and what's not for the next attempt.
Your team isn't just weak to physical attackers that can hit corv, it's weak to any physical attacker corv cant hit which expands the list a lot more. It's setup fodder for stuff like booster bulk up tusk, kingambit etc. In order to combat this, you could change this corv set to Iron defense body press so you can set up alongside physical attackers and still beat them. Skarmory does a better job of this than corv and also can run spikes, so you wouldn't have to lock yourself into choiced ceaseless for them
on the topic of booster bulk up tusk, thats what your tusk should be. assault vest great tusk isn't a good set, you're better off taking the smogon set for booster bulk up. It would be your new fastest mon and provides you with a wincon as well as utility with spin.
I think clodsire is better off running poison jab than gunk shot for the pp/accuracy, Or replace it entirely with a gliscor or even ting lu
I don't think scarf ghold is a good scarfer, I think in a team like this plot recover could be better. Or don't run ghold at all depending on if your team has enough longevity to just get hazards up again
I don't think choice banded samurott is a good choice, on a team that intends to get up so many hazards you should expect hazards to go up on your side. For this reason (and for speed control/priority) I think you should try boots sd weavile over it
I hope this input helps for your next attempt, sorry I couldn't reply with an updated paste of your team but I spent a lot of time staring at it. Good luck have fun

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/46ba9a3ef379cee1

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rain kernel]

https://pokepast.es/7bdb5c6aafc19733
I need to decide what to do after sleep moves ban

Would really appreciate advice here.

[spiral fable]

sash deo s lead regular np 3 attack darkrai drop gholdengo for a mon that fits better on spikes like val or boulder

[rain kernel]

sludge bomb or fblast on Darkrai?
What hold item?

ironically I had exactly that prior to changing sets btw, these sets felt much better but now here we are I guess

moves on Deo?

@spiral fable can you show me what an updated paste would look like?
And is this team structure still any good?

[spiral fable]

It’s alright

It’s ho

Probably swap bolt for volc

[rain kernel]

only alright?

not a good team?

[spiral fable]

I’m on phone rn

[spiral fable]

I mean it’s a basic spikes ho

And you’re using darkrai

[rain kernel]

is that a good or bad thing?

[spiral fable]

O yeah make tusk speed booster

[spiral fable]

Meh

It’s alright

[rain kernel]

...

[spiral fable]

Darkrai isn’t the best mon on spikes ho but it’s usable enough that I wouldn’t remove it

Anyways set would be np dpulse focus blast then your pick of coverage

With life orb

[rain kernel]

deo setup?

i don't want a team that's just meh. I'm willing to try out alternatives over dengo and bolt. i kinda really was enjoying deo/darkrai/gambit though

@spiral fable any ideas for a team structure going forward? I'm willing to give Boulder and Volc a try. Keep Tusk or no? Man, my thoughts are a mess right now

[spiral fable]

eh personally i would drop tusk for moon

besides that, its really up to you

[rain kernel]

My thoughts go to like....
Darkrai/Deo-S/Gambit/Bolt/Boulder/Volcarona or something like that

[spiral fable]

bolt is bad

[rain kernel]

why is that?

[spiral fable]

slow

[rain kernel]

has priority and bulk

[spiral fable]

you're spikes ho

you dont care for bulk and that priority aint so great when dragons infest the tier

especially since you dont have the immediate power of 5 fallen gambit

[rain kernel]

moves for lead Deo?

[spiral fable]

taunt spikes rocks then knock or psycho

[ruby crest]

or skill swap for hatts

[surreal bloom]

fr

[upper maple]

Fax

[brisk cedar]

Unviable, use a sample team.

[velvet cradle]

wtf

i dont remember posting this 😭

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/46ba9a3ef379cee1

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Slapping on a bunch of boots really hurts some of these mons(especially gambit and kyurem, both of which would love other items)
You also have one extremely shaky kyurem check that cannot switch in more than once, both of your setup sweepers are really slow(yes i know they have priority), you have no knock mon to force progress on other boot heavy teams, your spdef wall is shaky at best and can't really do much to threats like volc, which can 6-0 this team given the right switch

[umbral adder]

who even checks kyu tho?

[spiral fable]

not much, but you can at least force kyurem to not just click ice beam every turn and think about clicking other moves

[umbral adder]

so who can work?

also isnt boots kyu a thing

[spiral fable]

it's not a bad mon per say, since kyurem is still kyurem, but it would really love specs

imo at this point you would be better off just pivoting away from spikes to a bulkier offensive team and actually giving bolt, kyurem, and gambit better items

[umbral adder]

what if i went scale shot over draco on kyu. helps with revenge killers

go naive instead

[spiral fable]

eh i really think the team in general would be better suited for a bulky offense

[umbral adder]

ok

so specs kyu lefties gambit and bolt right?

[spiral fable]

or booster bolt if you want a more offensive one

[umbral adder]

ive actually never tried booster but if we have specs kyu i think lefties is fine

[spiral fable]

swap tusk on for skarm drop clef for gking drop boom for idk a phys def pivot

actually those dont exist maybe id bp zam instead

[umbral adder]

instead of what?

[spiral fable]

boom

[umbral adder]

why id bp why not stellar boots?

[spiral fable]

eh that also works

[umbral adder]

teams hella fairy weak now tho

like 4 mons

[spiral fable]

drop bolt for volc then

though at some point you're straying so far from your teamits not your team anymore

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its up to you where you want to draw the line

o wait corv exists lmao

[umbral adder]

i was just abt to say that

[spiral fable]

theres your phys def pivot

[umbral adder]

but isnt it not very good now tho

[spiral fable]

its usable

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/95ae24f3d4d4545b we got this now

[spiral fable]

rocks over temper flare(seriously what are you hitting with flare) and i really like volc over bolt but that's upt o you

[umbral adder]

hits balloon dengo so hard on if it switches in on headlong

[spiral fable]

just smack it with ice spinner on the switch

and you need some form of hazards

[umbral adder]

fair enough

what tera here?

also which volc set bulky right

[spiral fable]

tera grass standard volc is fine here, though if you want to run tera ground tera blast that's also fine

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/53805784bba746ac voila

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/dc90b90024e0614b

[rain kernel]

https://pokepast.es/526558b1d2b80453 I was wondering.... this look good? And do you think this could squeeze scarf Darkrai over Moon or something without losing too much?

[spiral fable]

i literally rated this team yesterday

friendly reminder to please stop reposting already rated teams

[rain kernel]

what?

@spiral fable I never posted this

literally just made it in teambuilder.

[spiral fable]

??

now lets look at the mons on your team

[rain kernel]

Does not have Darkrai

And I never posted the actual team until just now anyway. That was me brainstorming.

[spiral fable]

swapping one mon does not change the team enough to get another full rate

[rain kernel]

when did you rate it though?

You can't do a full rate based on a random idea I tossed out there.

[spiral fable]

this

I already rated your base team

[rain kernel]

that's not even close to an actual rmt

[spiral fable]

I told you what to change and what sets to run

I told you swap deo s to lead change darkrai to regular lo swap ghold for boulder and swap bolt for volc + tusk for moon

Now looking from those changes to your new team that you claim is different, all you've done is disregard the set I gave you for deo s, and swap darkrai for bolt

That's literally all you've changed

This is not a new team

Do not repost teams that have already been rated

[rain kernel]

when did you give me exact sets...?

[spiral fable]

I gave you exact sets for darkrai and deo s and there's literally one set boulder and moon run

[rain kernel]

sigh... I don't know why I bother sometimes.

[spiral fable]

this

[spiral fable]

this

[spiral fable]

this

[dense gull]

@spiral fable could you rate this team?

[spiral fable]

No immediate pressure, you're leaning way too hard into the sand aspect, cm clef just isnt that good anymore, avest boulder is not good

[dense gull]

Is orb better?

[spiral fable]

Also your sets are wack

This team gets 6-0ed by rain and sun

why does your excadrill not have sd, why are you running wood hammer over power whip

Why does your ttar have roar

also cm clef just lets volc set up for free

speaking of volc it's a big problem for this team in general with tera grass giga drain to offset any chip and flip the matchup on ttar and excadrill

This team just has a lot of holes: You're trying to go hard sand in a meta that doesn't have nearly enough sand abusers to make use of that(it's really just excadrill), with no immedate power to break the bulkier mons that can wall waterpon, your sets are questionable at best, you're heavily weak on the spdef side and try to patch it up with unsets like avest boulder, and generally the team just doesn't work, it immediately flops once sand is gone and even under sand it's mediocre at best.

Also please don't ping me I'll get to your teams when I have the time

Anyways I recommend you use a sample team for now

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[dense gull]

Sorry bout that, i saw someone else ping you and thought it was alright, ill keep it in mind

And thx my g

[spare scroll]

https://pokepast.es/b8802b90b246e6c1 so i just post this here?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Lava plume over flamethrower on torkoal
Venusaur would much rather prefer earth power over sludge bomb, and tera fire instead of stellar
Drop tusk for eject button nuzzle hatterene: they serve the same purpose off keeping off hazards but hatterene's healing wish, nuzzle, and eject button make it a very useful early pivot with late game utility
Make RMoon attack booster, drop outrage for iron head since knock hits everything anyways, tera dark
Might want to swap Wake to Lefties/LO CM Bolt since you already have a immediate break in Moon, but that's up to you

[spare scroll]

wdym by Lefties/LO CM??

[spiral fable]

leftovers/life orb calm mind

[spare scroll]

that sounds pretty good actually

ill try that out

[onyx turtle]

https://pokepast.es/8917f7d507d54426

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west harbor]

hi, most of these pokemon aren’t really ou viable apart from boulder and kinda chomp, so your team wouldn’t really match up well into the ou metagame

id recommend trying out a sample team to get a feel for what’s viable and good in ou

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[west harbor]

the viability rankings might also be helpful to check out https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/

[sudden quartz]

https://pokepast.es/36106e2e05efbe1c, is this a solid team`?

Feels a bit clunky

[spiral fable]

I mean frankly this is so close to the sample team I would recommend you just run that, all it does it swap basculegion(which you don't really need anyways since tera water skewda already blows everything up without the recoil) for gambit, change treads to a special set with eject button for a quicker pivot, and swap bolt's item to booster

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

[sudden quartz]

i tried eject button treads but i felt like it couldnt handle all its roles

Maybe stealth rock gambit

[spiral fable]

do not run rocks gambit

[sudden quartz]

Also i want to try avoiding the sample

Since its too predictable

[spiral fable]

if you are struggling to use eject treads use physical treads iwth booster speed instead

[spiral fable]

frankly any rain team you bring will be predictable

It's rain

Everyone knows the sets

[sudden quartz]

ig

ill try figure something out

[shell stag]

Gonna try to go for reqs on Kyurem but i've been a bit disconnected from OU since December.
Anything to edit in this team for laddering before i start? https://pokepast.es/3cf2d1f35b9fda76

[slow fiber]

https://pokepast.es/e99e0b0104b4bf28 Saw some comments around here to my hyper offence team, how is it now?

[spiral fable]

ok so i already rated this team

good to see that you swapped on moon ig

[slow fiber]

yea, I was wondering if I should do speed or attack booster energy?

[spiral fable]

attack

[slow fiber]

ok thanks

[junior tree]

https://pokepast.es/c65e5da0336628bc

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Drop kyurem for Boulder
Swap Val to cm

[shell stag]

I kinda wanted to use Kyurem for the suspect ladder.
Thoughts on a HO Jirachi lead instead of Glimmora? I might experiment with that

[spiral fable]

No

[spiral fable]

If you really want to keep kyurem use mixed ddance

[shell stag]

Thanks 🙏

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/deeb73ed8f68acc0

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/0410850c17e00611

[knotty ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/2dc696e0235509f1
Pretty simple semi-stall
Idk if it can be optimised for current meta

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ruby crest]

this looks like meowscarada semi stall for highvolt with weavile > meow

[knotty ginkgo]

Yeah I just tweaked the Clodsire and swapped Meow for Weavile but idk if I can do any other changes as the team is 1 month old and also pretty known

[ruby crest]

yeah dont really recommend changing a person a team especially if it has high usage or even featured in a sample cause otherwise we will recommend using the original

[craggy mural]

Hello, I made this team a few days ago and have been laddering with it. Was wondering if I could get some feedback on it. Thanks in advance

https://pokepast.es/6919461ecc6a86ad

[twin horizon]

https://pokepast.es/17acde84917adce3
Made a swagger mirror herb acrobatics Torn-T team with multiple forms of phasing, not looking to make it the most amazing team ever but I’d like to optimize it a little bit more for the meta lol

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/ba4e5386260f3f3c
Was kinda memeing with this one, I’ll admit, but I tried to build around executor thinking of it as a late game priority sweeper, like kinghambit raging bolt or dragonite. Don’t tell me that executor “isn’t viable” I know it is and that’s going nowhere. I’m wondering if this team would work if if it had a more viable sustitute like raging bolt

[forest magnet]

lol good idea, i'll get some fixes for u

u want this to be an HO? or offence

[tardy oracle]

I’d think you’d run something like gouging fire if it’s with kinghambit. Moon is mostly my ghost answer

I think it would be fairly balance would it not?

Oh and azu is because I wanted an offensive water that didn’t overlap with my other stabs

Without executor ogerpon could prob work over azu

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3dca2a1f48dbe23f make this into an offence structure, so i swapped tusk for lando to give a ground immune but also a pretty good lead vs HO (beats glimm), swapped Eggs for Raging Bolt to give prio, and swapped swapped glowking for gambit to give more prio, and to pair well with lando to give a shorterm defensive core (you wanna end games fast) and swapped azu for scizor bc its stab prio just is much better and can help beat down stuff like ival if u used ur booster alr

made val mixed + dbond to cheese/make progress

like u can bait things in and dbond down, opening ur other guys

[tardy oracle]

Ok thanks

[forest magnet]

(most of the time lead lando)

unless u think weavile lead or smtn

[tardy oracle]

lol you went all in with the priority. And the special lando sounds fire

[forest magnet]

ya, it doesn't trigger glimm's ability and is faster than tusk so it can kill w grass

[spiral fable]

This team is a bit lost
You have a suicide lead webber, but the rest of the team doesn’t synergize with it
Banded Boulder isn’t good there’s better breakers
The only form of speed control you have it gambit which isn’t a reliable killer against common speed boosted mons
Your pivots aren’t that good, since hydrapple kinda folds to a lot of common threats it’s supposed to be checking on the physical side
You have no hazards outside of webs and no hazard removal, making your team extremely weak to knock since gliscor is your only absorber and loses to common knock mons like Weavile or meow
You only have 2 spattackers and one of them is hydrapple
You have no spdef walls/pivots
This team just doesn’t work, I’d recommend you run a sample for now to learn how to build

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/bd4e112fceeb5198

tried building around a stallbreaker lapras to switch into specs kyurem but i feel like theres some changes to be made

i feel like i need a better spinner than fortress and thinking ab tera steel on lapras

[west harbor]

you’d honestly just be better with sample rain https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

rain is an offensive playstyle so you shouldn’t really need to switch into kyurem more than once and av archaludon can take 2 ice beams. using a suboptimal mon like lapras is just gonna waste your rain turns

forretress isn’t good either, treads is much better on rain bc it helps with raging bolt mu too

[stone onyx]

ty

[jolly phoenix]

hi! i've just recently (past few months) properly gotten into competitive pokemon, and i've had a lot of fun messing around with teambuilding in low ladder and trying silly stuff. in the process i feel like i've actually converged upon a team that's kind of cool, and although i've only been able to get up to the mid 1300s on the ladder i usually lose because of my own misplays/mispredicts at this point. because of that im wondering what if any competitive merit my team actually has https://pokepast.es/4609ed96503b840f

[west harbor]

this team isn’t really ou viable - mons like porygon-z just aren’t great in the meta bc it relies on no resistances (without tera) to set up in a very fast paced meta

some of these sets for the ou viable pokemon also aren’t really optimal like leftovers 3 attacks skeledirge - its role in ou is more of a defensive pokemon with boots, wisp and hex to punish stuff with unaware

i think you’d benefit a lot from trying out a sample team to get a feel for what’s good in the ou metagame to help you climb higher and build teams that match up well into meta threats