[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[real willow]

with trick and knock off

it's also faster so it covers more opposing pokemon

and finally it quad resists kingambit's sucker punch

and kingambit is a pokemon you can never be too safe against

[willow flume]

fair enough

so, thats most everyone squared away other than tera's and the corvi

[real willow]

I'm just picking smogon sets tbh

they're generally fine

[willow flume]

im looking for a spdef corvi, dont see one

[real willow]

These are the two variations I think you might want to try:
https://pokepast.es/d80075c8d98f705b - physdef corv, spdef lando-t
https://pokepast.es/d25ec4373aee8992 - spdef corv, physdef lando-t

(also any actual sv ou players should send improvements in here as well)

[willow flume]

you said we were going spedf corv, no?

[real willow]

I figured we could try out a couple of variations on the team

and see which one works better

[willow flume]

ok. thanks a lot for the help and resources! want me to send replays of preformance?

[willow flume]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2008560636-23q6k7lbmdevyw1aenpd0orji2f7a15pw

just tried it out, did i use it wrong?

got rolled

bad

[real willow]

um

turn 3

you defogged your own rocks

yeah you just gave the krook too many free turns

[willow flume]

cause i got it and the other fog confused

• i didnt realize defog got the stuff on their side too

i thought it was more like rapid spin

[willow flume]

how was i supposed to not do that? he was rolling me and i couldnt find anything effective

[real willow]

so on turn 4

they click substitute as you click u-turn

you know your ogerpon has encore

[willow flume]

wouldnt that have failed?

[real willow]

encore bypasses substitute

it should say so

[dreamy needle]

https://pokepast.es/4a65dba7d967ae4e swaggin

[upper maple]

No Ground, No Hazards

No Knock off which isn't as important but still pretty big

No immediate power

[dreamy needle]

hmmm

should i go for specs hydreigon?

maybe even replace g-weez with tinglu

[upper maple]

Not that good consistent speed control

Though you have static and twave

So maybe

[upper maple]

I'm not too experienced in OU to suggest sets

So you should wait for an official rater

[dreamy needle]

https://pokepast.es/15846df169282176

fart

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

rillaboom is a great mon on it's own but if you're gonna have it you may aswell have something like a seed hatterene which could easily be slotted here over weezing-galar as your hazard control. cinderace feels redundant here so I'd replace it with something like tail glow manaphy, could go take heart aswell if you prefer. Additionally, I'm making your kingambit max speed low kick so you aren't as weak to opposing kingambits and switching your tera.
I also made your stonerpon encore over stomping tantrum, but if you wanna hit steels just run low kick
updated paste: https://pokepast.es/793798b8b36f59c0
other options:
psyshock over stored power on hatt
zamazenta over ogerpon if you feel too weak to kingambit, speed booster bulk up tusk also serves as a solution to this
some bulk invest on rilla, it has priority and slow uturn is often beneficial, could go like 120 hp / 252 atk / 136 speed
Balloon on tran
hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[dreamy needle]

aight thank you!

[fierce basin]

No problem

[dreamy needle]

ngl, maybe i just suck but i dont know when to have hatterene out

cuz grassy seed is consumed so i dont wanna waste it

[forest magnet]

try leftovers then

[balmy isle]

https://pokepast.es/b8fc0e73c7b195d5

[fierce basin]

Bro I came to my computer to type about ur team then when I got there it was deleted and now that I left again ur back

[forest magnet]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[fierce basin]

No point running a suicide lead mamo when you have mons like alo and woach

[forest magnet]

you team is all over the place, it has very little cohesion, i would suggest scrapping this team and using a sample

[fierce basin]

If you're gonna dedicate a slot to dying and putting up hazards all your other slots should be taking advantage of that not giving up monentum

ALSO even if I could justify suicide lead mamo here you should be running endeavor like a boss. Kinda hard to justify using him tho aside from like, under veil

[balmy isle]

mamo was kinda a after though bc i wanted more priority and hazards

but your right sash lead isnt very good hear

here

[stable hatch]

How do you build a grassy terrain HO team?

[lyric kettle]

This is my current in game team (still needs a 6th) https://pokepast.es/cfe1635cd2f06a0a

[real willow]

couple of things

1. we only rate completed teams with 6 Pokmeon

[lyric kettle]

oh my bad sorry

[real willow]

2. we rate teams that are meant to be played competitively

not for in-game

[lyric kettle]

I'm trying to make it competitive is the thing

[real willow]

alright

um

[lyric kettle]

I want to use these Pokemon but I know they probably need improvements so I'll come back when I decide on a 6th I suppose

[real willow]

the first question I would have asked is "what direction did you want your team to go"

but these are just Pokemon you caught in-game that you want use

with strange sets at that

[lyric kettle]

I am uh not good at competitive I guess

[real willow]

so the main issue with the team is that, aside from a few of the Pokemon on the team being bad, you also don't really have a clear direction the team wants to go

Zoroark and Pawmot aren't really that good in OU

[lyric kettle]

ah so maybe I need to go lower down

[real willow]

you can go to a lower tier if you want to use zoroark and pawmot

but clodsire, ceruledge, and meowscarada are all tiered as OU

so you can either try and stay in OU and augment them with better Pokemon

or go to a lower tier and build around Pawmot and/or Zoroark

[lyric kettle]

well I should probably pick a 6th before I make a decision. I went to a team calculator and noticed that I have a kinda noticable ground weakness in the team so I think I need something that resists it

[real willow]

well if you want to get a good team that will serve you well

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[real willow]

these sample teams are perfect for newer players to become acclimated with playing competitive Pokemon

hop onto Pokemon Showdown and try em out

[lyric kettle]

ok actually Wellspring Ogerpon does seem to work with the current team to help with the 3 members of my team weak to Ground since it hits Ground Super Effectively

let me work out some different movesets based on the suggestions in the Strategy Dex

[lyric kettle]

ok made some changes to the current team with an attempt to work Pawmot and Zoroark into the team. If it doesn't work out, I'll try some other options https://pokepast.es/7d994950c140a431

[dreamy needle]

Holy shit this team is fire thank you

I've been playing a few games w it and it kicks ass

[dreamy needle]

I'm not an official rater but I'm curious why not H-Zoroark instead? It would seem to cover the Ghost and Fighting weaknesses of Meowscarada and Ceruledge

[lyric kettle]

It's just the one I have in game and I thought it'd be fun to try to use my in game team in competitive. Though you make a fair point

It probably wouldn't be too hard to switch to H.Zoroark

yeah the H.Zoroark is the same set as the normal Zoroark just with Shadow Ball instead of Dark Pulse so it's valid

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/e8cb72406a69276d

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

If you're going to use terrain extender rillaboom(which i wouldn't recommend) you need to ensure this team actually uses it properly
The only mon that might like gterrain up would be blissey, and blissey doesn't even work with this team
In fact, gterrain directly cuts into tusk's eqs
Furthermore, this team just feels all over the place
You have a massive momentum sink in blissey, which is extremely passive, and then three pivot mons
You're lacking immediate power/breakers, your cinderace isn't running court change even though that's its best move, scarf wake isn't good and you already have speed control in val, val doesn't need priority to outspeed anything and would much prefer a move like encore/close combat instead of vaccum wave, you have no hazard setters
I would recomend sticking to a sample for now: here's a link to them

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[dense gull]

‘preciate it fam, but I’d like to try and salvage this mess of a team lol

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/c6f068bef8b3acf3
here's a sample team that uses four of the same mons from your team

frankly, it's not really salvagable

i can't even tell what archetype you're going for, would need to make heavy changes to the sets, and it'll be a lot easier to just pick up this sample which is a lot better

[fierce basin]

No problem

[stable hatch]

https://pokepast.es/d22d86aff521033e
Have I cooked a blaziken team?

[stable hatch]

Just noticed the team i posted rn have the same core lmao

[fierce basin]

this channel isn't rly for theorycrafting nobody can rate it since the mon isnt out yet and we dont know how it'd do into the meta

[stable hatch]

So we cant assume anything ?

I thought i was cooking 📉

[stable hatch]

Is there a channel for that?

[fierce basin]

I guess compgen

[stable hatch]

Alright thanks. Do the sets look good tho?

[forest magnet]

can't say again

dlc hasn't dropped. don't post about this again please.

[stable hatch]

Understood

[forest magnet]

sorry

[stable hatch]

Why are u sorry? Lol

[forest magnet]

for being a bit rude :P

[stable hatch]

Lmao u not even being rude imo

[forest magnet]

anyways, you are using all DLC 1 mons, we don't know how the dlc 2 mons will function

we can't reasonably predict what to look out for etc...

[stable hatch]

Yeah 👍

[upper maple]

This channel is for complete teams btw

[stable hatch]

U saw nothing

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/3ead2471d765aba2

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand citrus]

https://pokepast.es/353a92413ed0b385

any advices pls ?

[cloud gull]

what are u having problems with only changes I would suggest are tera fly on gambit and an attacking move on meow instead of trick

[sand citrus]

I don't have any major problems apart from my skill level x). I just wanted to know if this team is well constructed since I'm also a poor team builder. So if this changes are the only ones u would make I'm very happy and I'm going to make them thank u very much !

[cloud gull]

yea team looks good , also go dragon on tusk to help with ogerpon

it's a little weak to oger so try to play aggressively vs it

Can also make slowking g dragon for the same reasons

[stable hatch]

https://pokepast.es/2b3e4a17e0186342

[stable hatch]

Im thinking switching heatran with tusk

[stable hatch]

Thoughts^^

[spiral fable]

terrain extender is a fraud

veti you wanna take this or

[brisk cedar]

Rillaboom (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Grassy Glide

[brisk cedar]

I don't have the time rn

[spiral fable]

cool ill do it then

[brisk cedar]

Just recommending the good rillaboom set

[spiral fable]

(only rillaboom set)

[spiral fable]

Swap boom to the band set, swap lucha for mixed booster val so you have an option outside of gterrain

[stable hatch]

Alright

[stable hatch]

Is heatran ok there or would tusk be better?

[spiral fable]

Up to you, though i prefer tusk

[fierce basin]

You need to keep heatran on this team so you aren't smashed by iron moth. If you want to put tusk on the team it would go over cornerpon or kingambit. If you're going to run low kick gambit you should go max speed so you can beat the opposing gambits you have the move for

[brisk cedar]

I'd keep ogerpon to chip down gholdengos for lucha

[stuck nebula]

Id change the rilla set and just add a band set, it fits well on the team to chip zapdos into hawlucha stone edge, threatening mons like clef or slowking with its knock and allows you to hit with a strong turn into your hawlucha

You dont need terrain extender at all as u turns allows you to get in with the mon you want fast enough

I would alsl recommend getting knock off insteas of low kick so gholdengo doesnt conpletely wall you oger and allows progress to by removing items

And maybe sub on your hat is a good option that can work cause even thought you dont attack steal types directly with your tera you can easily set up,avoid tricks and about easy revenge kills

@stable hatch

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/df69f777f2107825 something something hazard stack

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stable hatch]

Thanks everyone^^^

[hollow folio]

https://pokepast.es/987d5a208312e996

funni team (:

[fierce basin]

this team looks like it was built months ago before the dlc dropped, judging by the jolly tera fire kingambit and the fact that the team seems to have not been built with waterpon in mind. If you're going to run the fastest possible kingambit I would imagine you would want to run low kick to hit the opposing gambits. I put low kick on, and replaced your scarf lando with a speed booster iron moth w tera grass to help with ogerpon. I thought about making this a speed booster tusk since that's another physical ground, but iron moth gives you a rillaboom answer. aswell Otherwise every time scarf lando clicked eq waterpon would claim a mon on your team. Your ghold is tera fighting w no fighting moves, I made it fairy and put it on a balloon. Since I kind of messed up the balance of your special and physical attackers, I made your valiant mixed.
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/71a8b673de223b37
other options:
waterpon over gren, but the paste was labeled greninja h.o so I wasn't sure if you'd want to do that
bulkier spread on ghold
swords dance valiant
hope this helps, good luck have fun

[stable hatch]

Have i cooked ? Actually idk what i just put together

https://pokepast.es/41bfd714c9099342

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Why do you have 3 suicide leads on the team

[brisk cedar]

Yeah

I'd recommend using a sample HO

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

You only ever need one suicide lead

[stable hatch]

Lol

[spiral fable]

Trying to cram three only wastes turns your opponents will exploit, and means it’s easier to wall with fewer checks

[stable hatch]

Yeah as i said idk what i put together

All i care about is samurott and IV

[stable hatch]

Idk i tried to make something. 😦

Like whats actually fixable

[spiral fable]

I would really recommend running a sample so you learn team structure and common archetypes first

[stable hatch]

Gotchu ive ran webs and terrain already from the samples

With samurott is there a need for another hazard setter?

[upper maple]

3 suicide leads is crazy

[stable hatch]

We dont talk about it lmao

[upper maple]

You need rocks

More important than spikes

[high pier]

Im gonna run a tram with ONLY suicide leads

Team*

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/77aea7218021e262

[upper maple]

Wondering if i should run gking over pex

[stuck nebula]

Yeah gking is better vs zapdos mu amd for pivoting+f shight is always good to have

Something like slack off f shifgt sñuxge chilly receptiom is ok even thoughg you get walled by gambit cause you already have checks for it

I think that twave> discharge too

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/b69f0df7d99466d5

[stuck nebula]

[upper maple]

I'll try TWave over discharge ig

[stuck nebula]

Tera steel pult is usually on his hex move set eity twave/will o
I believe that ghost/fire/dragon fit better on that set

[upper maple]

I'm not using tera steel pult

[stuck nebula]

Oos

Ops

That was from the other one

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/20ac5a47c5334305
Idk if i should run tblast on gambit

Since im running tera fairy

Idk about my stall matchup since i haven't run into any stall teams yet

[upper maple]

@ocean pumice did you ping me? Cuz i don't see the message

[ocean pumice]

i was going to suggest tera flying but i saw the air balloon

[upper maple]

Ah ok

[upper maple]

I'm getting confused on my archetype identifying skills

Is this Balance or BO idk

[hushed lynx]

ty

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/6d3e52c411ce2741

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ocean pumice]

ive never built voltturn ever

but i thought voltturn hamu would be cool and zoroark spinblocks and can create some mindgames ig?

i should probably put wisp on it yea

[ancient saddle]

Any changes i could make?? https://pokepast.es/e8e39237fe622465

[cloud gull]

I would use ice spinner on tusk over cc

dnite snowballs otherwise

Also lowering speed on enam is not worth it

[ancient saddle]

why not? scarf enam outspeed a lot of things and the only pokemon that would outspeed you with a boos is garchomp, with that ev on hp i have a chance of survive +2 Sucker puch of kingambit

[surreal kelp]

u gotta change the nicknames cos u cant have same nicknames as another mon, max def tusk is pretty mid rn id recommend 252hp 252 speed jolly just to outspeed dengo and its a better set in general, ur team also has a serious hazards issue, this would autolose vs most tinglu spikestack teams, id most definitely say ace > thunderus-t as its not doing that much rn imo and to change zoroark-> wisphex pult for reliable status spread and strong pivots, which zoro lacks. zoro is also pretty cheese but i guess u could get away with it but it will be much better if ur boots pult, at the mininum u need wisp on one of the two no matter, pult is just better for speed control. not sure what ibeam is exactly for on gking either but i would suggest twave >> to be much better, and lefties tusk and boots gambit with max atk max speed adamant to do better vs tera fairy versions as well as ease the ting mu. scarf sam-h is also unnecessary, boots shall do, this way u dont have to focus on hazard stacking as much and u will still get to play pivot spam quite reliably

[ocean pumice]

its actually unicode lookalikes so the nicks are legal anyways got it thank you. ibeam used to be for glisc forgot it doesnt need it anymore

[ancient saddle]

ty for the opinion tho srry if i sound rude but english isn't my first language

[nocturne dagger]

pretty standard team, any improvements i can make? https://pokepast.es/7d7881762e756a6c

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/19684e5ecb988610

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

frankly idk why yall are teambuilding when dlc drops in two days but aight

[upper maple]

Just cuz

[nocturne dagger]

i didn’t know it was dropping so soon honestly i thought it was next week

[spiral fable]

nope literally two days

[forest magnet]

^

[nocturne dagger]

mb

[quick bluff]

bump

[quick bluff]

fair point

[stable hatch]

Why swap lucha?

[spiral fable]

So you have an option out of gterrain

[stable hatch]

Alright so cornerpom and hatt are the main terrain abuser ?

[forest magnet]

send the team here

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

i got it

[brisk cedar]

This is 6v6 singles

Not doubles

[forest magnet]

yeah

[fervent gyro]

oh

wheres the channel for doubles?

[forest magnet]

this is sv ou rates

[brisk cedar]

pinged

[forest magnet]

pinged u there

[shell stag]

I made it to playoffs on my draft league team. i have my R1 team 90% ready but i have a slight issue that i cant find a solution for.
Does any OU rater mind sliding into my DMs if they find this format/building fun?

[quick bluff]

hey, i’d suggest joining the smogon draft server for advice on this

idk if i’m allowed to send server links but you could def just ask for a server link in compgen

[viral sable]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[graceful thunder]

You can send your draft teams to #360611119527886859

[forest magnet]

no

[forest magnet]

dm me

[graceful thunder]

Yes you can

[forest magnet]

i just said i was taking it

they don't need to post in other bella.

[graceful thunder]

If they want extra help they can post it in other

[forest magnet]

"Does any OU rater mind sliding into my DMs if they find this format/building fun?"

[graceful thunder]

I assume they said ou rater because yknow this is an ou channel

But other raters can help lmao

[forest magnet]

i think they asked for an ou rater because the format is similar to ou (most draft leagues are, and sometimes the inclusion of some mons like chien and chi-yu)

[graceful thunder]

You cant compare ou and draft ever

[ember rapids]

Please chill and disengage, both

Thank you

[forest magnet]

😵‍💫

[shell stag]

Great suggestion. I didn't know this existed

Thanks for the help, anyways. I didn't wanna cause conflict lol. Matte is helping

[forest magnet]

Hey, we closed this channel as DLC 2 will be shortly dropping, and we will wait for the Meta to stabilize before we are able to give proper advice.

[fierce basin]

Free

[spiral fable]

o god

[ruby crest]

first

[spiral fable]

i take it back lock it again

[ruby crest]

[graceful thunder]

here we go again

[forest magnet]

love me love me

say that u love me

[spiral fable]

remember to ping your favorite rater spidget 10 times if you want a team rated

[ruby crest]

Chatotbot has got that covered

[forest magnet]

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

taking it

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/8d21654d6551d73e Chose Veil > Hazards as you had alot of setup on the team so screens help support. Iron Boulder will help with speed control and threatens the faries of the tier.

sorry edited it

[ruby crest]

iron boulder can revenge kill scarf enams with booster energy, while enam itself doesnt neccesarily want to switch into anything

[ruby crest]

tho if ur going to do dd kyurem it should be mixed tbh

thats what the updated version has

yeh i agree with all the changes but go mixed on dd kyurem with a naive nature and a different defensive tera

[forest magnet]

did i not send u the updated paste

https://pokepast.es/0970db4cb662047a

all good

[ruby crest]

dont forget the freeze dry on the kyurem

[forest magnet]

yeah take tysons suggestions, i'm new to the dlc 2 also (never used kyurem b4)

[fierce basin]

yeah I don't like fully physical kyurem I agree it should always have freeze dry

[ruby crest]

royal has dd kyurem with tera blast ground

tera blast

make it tera fairy

[spiral fable]

i would recommend using speed booster tusk with bulk up instead of boots 4 attack

[ruby crest]

oh wait i thought this was speed booster tusk ik something looked weird

[fierce basin]

yeah doubt you need boots w hatt better off w speed booster bulk up

[spiral fable]

run ice spinner over cc

and i prefer tera poison over tera ice but taht's up to you

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/9938299db6e0750c Sand!

[cloud gull]

U lack an immediate breaker

that wake set is pretty mid aswell coz no water Stab means ur walled by steel types

and fairies too

U don't need max defense hippo either coz u have skarm and clef

I would personally change walking wake --> specs keldeo , boots excadrill --> leftovers , defensive hippo --> specially defensive

[cloud gull]

cm clefable --> knock

and tera ghost excadrill for skarmory

[hallow scarab]

https://pokepast.es/4f482368f59d47cc can i have some feedback on this team

[jade hedge]

https://pokepast.es/3e4f391960378826 thoughts on the team?

Grafaiai is underrated

[spiral fable]

this team is all over the place
You're running sun with only two abusers
I don't know why you're running Room Service on Serperior, considering A: Trick Room isn't viable in the tier and B: Even in trick room all you're doing is making you "slower" due to contrary raising your speed
Furthermore, why are you running two physical attacks(Knock and Iron Tail) on special serp instead of tera blast/leech seed/sub
Why are you running a berry on arch? If it gets that low in the first place it's probably dying second turn berry or not
Facade Archaludon is extremely strange
I don't know why you would want speed boosted gouging when you would prefer the nuclear heat crashes under sun, but ig that's up to you
However, running life orb gives unncessary chip, espcially since you're going to eat even more chip from hazards without boots
If you're running Darkrai without nasty plot it should be either specs or scarf, not sucker punch. Without plot/choiced it doesnt have the power to kill a lot of threats and sucker punch really doesn't help it at all, considering sucker can't ohko boulder and any other threat is either neutral/resist
Raging Bolt isn't bad, but you are running a boots set when this one would rather prefer a lefties/lo calm mind set, or a specs breaker set. Furthermore, you have tera blast on it, but fairy coverage doesn't do anything for it when electric dragon already hits fightings, darks, and other dragons

I would recommend you use a sample for now, but since they haven't been updated yet, another place you could look is OU Teams of the Week
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/teams-of-the-week-week-44-ft-keldeo-kyurem-and-iron-boulder.3712009/
Which feature some successful(albeit more unique) teams with short guides on how to use them

[real willow]

samples are updated

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hallow scarab]

thanks for the feedback even if it meant destorying my whole entire team lmao question instead of room service on serperior what item should i put on him?

[spiral fable]

O I didn’t see neat

[spiral fable]

Lefties is the standard

[hallow scarab]

k thanks

[onyx halo]

https://pokepast.es/461de68d076f7758 HO team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[onyx halo]

Darkrai in partocular is kinda not doing a lot

[ruby crest]

You could just replace darkrai with a volcarona and then a dd roaring moon > oger

[onyx halo]

sir yes sir

[ruby crest]

Make deos Tera ghost you won’t Tera with it often but sometimes denying tusk from spinning can be helpful

[onyx halo]

ohh alright, ghold only exists on this team to deny tusk spins lol

https://pokepast.es/1b1b6734c0011487

this what I got

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/5aa07f350726523c is this a good sun team?

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/3b6b6a51d2629a0f Just made a sticky web team, any thoughts?

[cloud gull]

looks cool

maybe something else like EQ on blaziken coz u already have webs support over protect

[ruby crest]

this is just basically storm zones sun but with a gambit > moon and some minor diffrent sets

[barren escarp]

I had it before the sample sets so..

[ruby crest]

its pretty close to home tho i def recommend using the gouginf fire set there into the team

[marsh star]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2025381112 so this is my match i just had with this idk why i have trevenant besides the fact he a cool dude, is there any improvements i wanna make on the team? ignore trevenant

https://pokepast.es/b82350130de18a2c

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

Hey, I'll rate your team. I'm 100% going to have to remove Corv and Trev, is that alright?

Seems like the "center of your team"

[marsh star]

I kinda just like having something unique like trev

never rlly hard used it on the team

moreso focused on gouging

[sly mauve]

This team is wack lmao
I'm not an ou expert but man it looks interesting

[forest magnet]

so r u alr w removing it?

[marsh star]

as in removing it from the rate? yeee

corv is whatever

just metal bird

[forest magnet]

lol

ya gambit is like its big brother

[marsh star]

ye

anyways what abt the team should I change and whatnot

[forest magnet]

i'm getting a paste for u rn

[quick bluff]

will do, tysm!

[cloud gull]

:))

[quick bluff]

and is tera fairy not better than ghost on exca for resisting kingambit?

[cloud gull]

nah , u wanna be beating skarms and corv

co they are popular af

u have ur own skarmory for Gambit anyways

[quick bluff]

ah fair yea

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/7ee36b92916dea00 swapped trev for Enam + stellar tera so you have fairy coverage, swapped deo for darkai to be less weak to gambit and other prio (sucker is common) and made gambit enough speed for blissey, swapped corv for scarf lando for some speed controll + blanket imtim check.

[marsh star]

and if I want to keep trev? 😋

[ruby crest]

idk why you really wanna keep trev what does it provide especially for something that is very close to being an ho team

[marsh star]

what's a ho team😭

[ruby crest]

hyper offensive team it’s a playstyle its a very aggressive playstyle with little to almost no backbone for just constant pressure

[marsh star]

also I created the team with the idea of wanting to use trevenant so I kinda wanna just maintain him for that reason

and a will o wisp here and there can't hurt

[marsh star]

I didn't even know it was an ho team then it's just the only pokemon that I mainly know how to use😭

besides like 5 others but

idk

I don't see rilla being used anymore

[ruby crest]

Problem with trev is like it’s super mid and like if there’s a Mon ur trying to use it to check another Mon prob does but better

[ruby crest]

It’s fine it’s always good trying to understand different team archetypes since they want and do not want certain mons in it

[marsh star]

so what grass type should I replace trev with besides ogerpon? I refuse to use that pokemon😭

and I just want a grass type

[ruby crest]

I don’t think you necessarily need a grass type not every team needs a certain type to function

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/ca1cbc4bcf4b606b

glowking + blizzard kyurem balance, thoughts/changes i should make?

[forest magnet]

don't use blizzard

[ruby crest]

While I understand why you want blizzard giving up Draco is not ideal tbh you really want Draco, as for changes do modest kyurem, give ting lu 4 speed this helps it for the whirlwind mu against other ting lu, tentacruel is honestly random I would just make it a meowscarada gives u a pivot still and a knocker

[stone onyx]

ty, and yeah the only reason i chose tentacruel is to have a spinner that can help w the keldeo match up, also helps w cm hatt w liquid ooze

[ruby crest]

You have a gking u should be relatively fine against keld which is also not super common fwiw

[stone onyx]

fair

[deft iris]

https://pokepast.es/631183b5bdf12c73

Maybe I did something wrong in pokepaste bc Ogerpon and Eiscue are not being displayed correctly but eh whatev

also its just for fun, not gonna try to win tournaments with it

[unkempt ivy]

https://pokepast.es/8c5eefab6bffefd0

First team I’m actually somewhat happy with

now I need to know if it’s as good as I think

[deft iris]

Where's clodsire

[forest magnet]

why use CB tusk when u can use moon

[unkempt ivy]

ground type + ice spinner

I mean the ground type part isn’t as important

[brisk cedar]

Replace corv with hatterene

[west harbor]

tusk is good but band is really exploitable

[forest magnet]

^

[forest magnet]

i'll rate ur team gimmie a sec

[deft iris]

mine too? :D

[forest magnet]

sure

[unkempt ivy]

my team is kinda weak to ground so I took a flying immunity, and defog is a nice thing to have. I mean hatteren would work as a hazard switch in, but idk

[ruby crest]

that’s fine defog is hard to pull off with dengo being relevant

[west harbor]

corv as a defogger isn’t actually that reliable because of ghold

sniped

[ruby crest]

Tho even then you really wouldn’t want Corv here fwiw

[brisk cedar]

And yeah remove band on tusk and then put rapid spin on it imo

for speed boost + hazard control

[forest magnet]

can yall take tourmy gemz's team

i'm on clod cult rn

[deft iris]

apologies ^^"

[unkempt ivy]

alr

im gonna wait for the rate

and then I’ll see what to replace it with

[celest dust]

Try #1059655497587888158

[runic lake]

oh, sorry

[celest dust]

No problem

[runic lake]

should I delete it from here?

[celest dust]

Fine either way tbh

[runic lake]

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/d0b7f2d384a6409c I assume you wanted to keep Raging Bolt, so I went SpD Gliscor > Great Tusk for a Ground immune, swapped Gouging Fire for Walking Wake Speed Booster for some speed control, made Raging Bolt CM setup + as thats more flexible rather than band. Gave Vena Giga Drain over Leaf Storm to heal off LifeOrb damage, and swapped Corv for Roaring Moon + Band for a burst in power.

[unkempt ivy]

tysm, this looks sick! just one more question: what about Sleep Powder on Venusaur?

[forest magnet]

Do you think you could resend the paste?

[forest magnet]

I would reccomend not to use it as its 75% so its a bit inconsistent and Vena perfers to have more coverage rather than sleep.

[unkempt ivy]

ok, ty

and sorry if I’m bothering to much, but I got another question

[forest magnet]

sure

[deft iris]

https://pokepast.es/631183b5bdf12c73 sure?

[unkempt ivy]

is Torkoal enough of a hazard remover?

since it’s weak to stealth rocks

[forest magnet]

Sun is more of an offensive style, so you want to end games quicky and pressure the hazards setters so hzrds don't go up in the first place.

If you want good removal use this. Tusk can act as an extra removal https://pokepast.es/a41899a4ccf1ed04

[forest magnet]

The only one on your team that is weak to Rocks is tork, the rest take standard chip. Thats why I wasn't to concerned about it them.

[unkempt ivy]

alr that makes sense (I will still try your team tho, looks cool)

[forest magnet]

Have fun

[unkempt ivy]

ty, have a nice day

[forest magnet]

The moves are all jacked up on this team

[deft iris]

in a good way?

[forest magnet]

upload to paste

[forest magnet]

in a bad way, i can't copy them to the builder

[deft iris]

oh my b

[deft iris]

https://pokepast.es/a14316c6a4770be2 how bout now

wait nvm

[forest magnet]

works!

[deft iris]

oh

nice xd

[forest magnet]

@deft iris What sort of style would you like go take this team in? It feels a bit directionless right now.

[deft iris]

My initial prompt to my girlfriend was something with Galarian Slowking and Eiscue using Chilly reception on slowking, Aurora veil on Eiscue.
Either the opponent switches to a special threat in which Eiscue can use aurora veil, or they try to break through the ice face after which with the increased speed it can switch to a more appropriate Pokemon using flip turn after setting up aurora veil, so regardless of the situaton I can likely pull of a veil

My girlfriend was behind most of the other team so Im not entirely sure what she was thinking but I trust her judgement.

if the face broke but eiscue lives I can simply use Galarian slowking to put it on again if need be

Thats the theory behind it anyway

My theory is that she picked the rest of the mons based on the extra bulk aurora veil would give them cuz ngl making a snow team is hard because you'd usually be loaded with ice types otherwise and thats not fun, so instead I opted to use snow as a "screw your sun/rain/sandstorm" button

[deft iris]

Im guessing its pretty bad then, thats fair

[ruby crest]

I wouldn’t say it’s bad it’s just weird or suboptimal to say the least

[deft iris]

I mean, yeah I accept it's weird and suboptimal xd

[ruby crest]

Cause u have an idea tho the issue with that is tales exist and doesn’t take as much turn to get up

[deft iris]

By all means I like Alolan Ninetails better, aesthetically and statwise since it can actually do something

I just think it's really funny to have a ZU mon in a mostly OU team

[ruby crest]

I mean I get that but it’s all about optimization if u want to use the funny penguin go ahead tho if ur asking for rates we will want what’s best for people asking for rates

The choice is all yours

[deft iris]

I know xd, my concerns were mostly with the other Pokemon but thats fair

[ruby crest]

The other Pokémon are honestly usable if this was made into an honest veil to some extent even tho chomp is somewhat bad and ogerpon to some extent

[deft iris]

Some were suggestions that my girlfriend was like "Hey thats not a bad idea"

Like Ogerpon and Garchomp (for which we considered Lando T and Tusk)

Guess Im just inherently a subpar team composer cuz all the less than ideal stuff came from me

[forest magnet]

sorry i went for a run

[deft iris]

but could you hide?

[pseudo rover]

https://pokepast.es/f425206c54661de1 this is my current team i play with the only thing i need changing is my volcarona idk how to describe it it just dont fit the team any idea for a replacement pokemon

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

So this team is unviable

[pseudo rover]

works on DOU ladderim 1400 rating

[spiral fable]

sir this is regular ou

[pseudo rover]

oh sorry i didnt see a DOU so thought this was all of OU

i just saw im blind

[stone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/fbc3447fe41c1212 Going for a kinda bulky balance

It's been working so far I think i'm like 4-0

But also its pretty low elo like 1200s

[ruby crest]

This is more closer to offense tbh then balance

I would say tweak the prima spread and do surf > dkiss, give raging bolt some speed, zen > eq on terrak, scarf enam > lando, make this offensive rocks tusk, and then gambit > dengo

[stone dagger]

what things do bolt need to outspeed?

most ground types and fairy types outspeed its max speed right

[ruby crest]

Na u don’t need necessarily need to be max speed

[stone dagger]

ik but liek what pokemons should I be able to outspeed

like mb 4 evs to outspeed a mirror but I cnat think of other mons rn

[ruby crest]

you can outspeed things like

No speed investment trans Ada max speed gambits etc

[stone dagger]

fair

[ruby crest]

It’s up to you really and you wanna hit but 64 speed investment is super handy

Speed crepping can be tweaked on what you wanna hit for the sake of the team

[stone dagger]

fs

[ruby crest]

Tho being faster then those goobers is helpful here

[stone dagger]

Well i alr have priority in thunderclap so Im thinking just need to outspeed other priority users

liek gambiut

[ruby crest]

Yeh so u can do 64 speed

Liek stated you outspeed Tran with no speed and Ada gambit

[stone dagger]

betty

[dry stag]

gn

i was trying to make a team using rilla and scizor, heres the first idea I got: https://pokepast.es/cee389c8984830a9

idk what to add or remove, can u guys help?

[ruby crest]

Rmt is for completed teams already, if you need to help on completing teams ask at #comp-general

[dry stag]

https://pokepast.es/a628da43670a8f7e

[restive swift]

Are we allowed to post teams not made by us on here? There's this sticky webs team made by pokeaim that looks fun but I want the advice of someone else on what changes could be made before using it

[forest magnet]

only teams u made

[brisk cedar]

#1030567099703242903 message

full rules are here

[dry stag]

just made this one btw lol

[placid remnant]

Looks decent even though I’d rather use Bulk Up on Tusk, ur team isn’t weak to hazards and BU grant u an other wincondition

Not sure of the spread tho, what is it for ?

[fierce basin]

hi,
It's a shame scizor has fallen off in gen 9, he was a cool guy. I think current meta is probably the kindest svou has been to him just because he has a role in forcing out kyurem, but simultaneously he's giving free entry to a returning threat in volcarona.
I don't know what these great tusk EVs are doing, I'd recommend going 252 hp/speed with booster energy and a bulk up set as opposed to 4 attacks. Turns him into a potent wincon while maintaining its purpose
personally I don't think rillaboom needs full speed since he has glide, and the extra hp invest goes far with the grassy terrain healing.
I'd make your garchomp into a grassy seed hatterene so you can threaten opposing hazard setters w magic bounce, and so you have a potential sweeper stopper in nuzzle. You don't have a lot of speed control so it helps stop something like roaring moon from getting out of control immediately and owning you.
I don't really respect heatran in current meta, but I think it's important to force opposing volcs to tera ground so you can threaten them with rillaboomer so they don't smoke your whole pack. I would put it on a balloon though, he still gets the healing from terrain when the balloon pops but it gives you an out if someone leads heatran into your rillaboom
I used to love this sadpon set before dlc2, but I think since they added like half a dozen dragons that wall your dual stabs that knock off may be worth giving a shot on it
idk why scizor is electric so I made it water
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/de2bd949752078ff
other options:
archuladon over sciz, but you said you wanted to build w sciz so I didnt remove it
you can run knock off on scizor to hit dirge/remove other items
just dont let tusk get chipped if there's a kingambit, hope this helps good luck and have fun

sorry I'm repeating what foufakirby said, I was already typing this when he sent hsi msgs, I just take awhile

[dry stag]

I tried to make it a defensive mon cuz

idk why lol

I was just trying to make it a physically defensive hazard remover (I don't know if you understand what I mean)

[dry stag]

dayum, tysm for everything bro🙏🏾🙏🏾

and thanks for the advice, I'll probably make a second team using archaludon

[dry stag]

tysm

Thanks for the help guys🫶🏾🫶🏾 I really didn't know what to do for this team

I really appreciate the help, I had no idea where to start to improve this team

[fierce basin]

No prob sorry it's wordy first rate in awhile

[dry stag]

np lol, loved ur analysis

[forest magnet]

pat on back

[rain gyro]

https://pokepast.es/8a0fb267f4511c82

Been getting somewhat low reward from Ogerpon and Darkrai, not sure if they're worth subbing lol

@brisk cedar sorry chatot isn't pinging lmao

(Ive been told i can do this)

[ruby crest]

If darkrai and ogre aren’t doing stuff you can just do gambit > oger and cm hatt > darkrai

[rain gyro]

Sorry, only came back now

Didn't think abt gambit that's a good one lol

Never played cm hatt before

Hows it doing in the tier

[ruby crest]

Really good

[rain gyro]

Nice

Whats the set usually

[ruby crest]

Cm dkiss psyshock / stored power nuzzle / mystical fire

[rain gyro]

Bet ty

[rain gyro]

Is it

252 HP 252 def

Or 252 HP 252 spa

Or what

[ruby crest]

Generally max hp and then speed for pex rest dumped into defense

[rain gyro]

Ah fair

Thanks

Pex is base 35 iirc

[ruby crest]

Tho you can also put one more into speed for the rare Pexes that creep reg hatts

[rain gyro]

Yeah like

4 speed pex

[ruby crest]

that way you can fire off before a haze

[rain gyro]

Lol

[ruby crest]

ye

[balmy crown]

https://pokepast.es/3770b2aba58b5125 i threw this together in a couple mins and i think it's a good start. what should i do with it to make it more serious?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/c2e104994f618d98

[somber ore]

A balanced SV OU team built around Meowscarada. Anything improvements I need to make?: https://pokepast.es/90fedc9f11c3b186

[cloud gull]

looks cool maybe try glimmora over heatran as it provides rocks and lets u change deoxys to 4atks life orb

[cloud gull]

try using samples ur team is all over the place, blissey is not good , av azu is not good either

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[grizzled mural]

Would mixed deo be better or focus on one stat?

[cloud gull]

mix

psycho boost superpower knock ice beam

[somber ore]

@cloud gull OK. I'll see if I can learn a thing or two from them.

[cloud gull]

gl

[somber ore]

@cloud gull Thanks.

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/1b10ef27dd4f790e

I'm pretty shit at building for regular OU fr

Also my first team for dlc2

[cloud gull]

looks pretty good for a first try , I would personally go weavile> meowscarada because ur pretty weak to roaring moon . Something like heatran/ting lu is also probably better here over iron treads mainly coz treads is a bad mon

[upper maple]

No removal outside of ace which won't matter when both sides have hazards tho

If i replace treads

[cloud gull]

I think it's fine because ur team is pretty offensive for the most part and u have boots on 2 mons and 1 (cress) only takes stealth Rock damage

[upper maple]

Hm ight

[upper maple]

What vile set should i run

[cloud gull]

boots or band both work

I would prob go boots 4atks

Coz u bait gambit with lowkick and free up cress

sd also works coz u can get big damage on gambit

[upper maple]

Weavile @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Knock Off
• Triple Axel
• Low Kick
• Ice Shard

This fine?

[cloud gull]

yea

[upper maple]

Now i need to find something to replace treads

[upper maple]

But treads give me an electric immunity and resists fairy while also having good role compression

Acting as a rocks setter, hazard remover, pivot

[cloud gull]

I mean u can use treads I just don't think it's a good mon , permawalled by tusk , can't really force progress , can't volt on any ground types

U have a cinderace , av primarina , and a cress so should be good on fairy sponges , u have pult , cinderace , primarina as pivots so u don't need those either

u can try what u like on ladder tho

treads can definitely work

[upper maple]

Hm

[upper maple]

What set would i run on Lu?

[cloud gull]

ruination stealth rocks earthquake whirlwind

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/2df3d4a9e79b896e

Idk i just feel so fairy weak when im using Lu on this

Mostly cuz the typings

Lu also doesn't really like spikes

I'll just try it

@cloud gull btw i forgot to ask but how's my stall matchup on both the Treads & Ting-Lu teams

[cloud gull]

Not good on either

[upper maple]

Yikes

I definitely need to improve that

[unkempt ivy]

ty btw, I’ve been playing this a bit today and it works like a charm

[austere field]

@random wolf

[random wolf]

Yes?

[austere field]

Just wanted to show it’s open

[forest magnet]

glad u like it <3

[novel lion]

https://pokepast.es/d35da9e38f818d58

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ruby crest]

yeah nore sure why is there a glimmora here in a balance build

[novel lion]

Hazards I suppose

[ruby crest]

ehh u only use suicide leads mainly in offense/ho

[brisk cedar]

Yeah the team is too passive

[ruby crest]

this glimmora should be a ting lu/ gliscor and replace tusk with zama

tho doing so

ur better off using the sample from vert and njnp

[brisk cedar]

For glimmora you can't have defensive mons most of the time

[novel lion]

Alright

[surreal kelp]

use glisc/ting > glim

[novel lion]

https://pokepast.es/7009ad27d5003f7e

So like this?

[forest magnet]

lefties rotom > boots

ur levitate all good

[ruby crest]

make meow boots

[forest magnet]

and protect + switchin is good enuff

also idk zama and gliscor SD seems like overlap to me, @ruby crest what do u think

[ruby crest]

add speed on gliscor and make it spdef > defense give it some speed as well, you have skarm and zama for physical bulk

wait

why is this sd gliscor

make it rocks

[novel lion]

Right right

Thank you two

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/77abcfc2f9418a52 when in doubt use the superior version of the team which is pratically almost the same mons

[novel lion]

Ngl man

Using toxapex makes me feel like a terrible person

[ruby crest]

well u arent

[novel lion]

Since from gen 7 I used it on like every team

[ruby crest]

use what will win games

not how people view you

[novel lion]

So true

Thank you

[forest magnet]

goat take

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/c31dcbe69f5997b9

thoughts on this rampardos tr team?

testing its weak to gliscor and rillaboom

and i dont like mimikyu all too well

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/888313f361df1a87 made offense at the start of the meta, i just wanted to get it rated

(The team had 2 previous renditions but people helped me make some changes, the 2nd iteration peaked 1600, before i stopped using it, and this iteration won some games during testing in 1500s, didnt really ladder with it tho)

[cloud blade]

Ursa-> headlong over eq
Rampardos-> iron hands
Mimikyu-> deo d
Cress-> drop ice beam for future sight to apply more pressure when troom is up after u lunar dance

Thats just what I reccomend

[stone onyx]

ty

what deoxys d set should i run

[magic glacier]

https://pokepast.es/ef675931530f23fd yo i threw this team together at the start of dlc2, any advice is appreciated 🫡 i noticed the team mostly has trouble with mons like meow, gren, rillaboom, etc.

[cloud blade]

Teleport troom

[cloud blade]

Just like drop the lead samu, it doesnt fit the team at all, i’d say make tusk bulk up, and then make the samu a defog corv

Or you can keep the tusk set and go for an idef spikes roost bp skarm if u still want hazards @magic glacier

Either works

[magic glacier]

hmm i'll look into both of those, ty

[cloud blade]

np

[ruby crest]

replace eq on iron boulder with zen head butt, do mixed dd kyurem pure physical is honestly bad and sub sets are not as good with the lack of roost, do encore > hypnosis on tales and moonblast > dkiss, replace serp with cm hatt still helps in blocking off hazards for volc and kyurem and is a good ho wincon especially in veil, make this offensive volc not bulky volc tbh so do quiver 3 attacks, and replace tusk with gambit u want a ghost resist here desperately since the team struggles with pult and u dont want a rocker + veil setter since u waste ample turns of making use of veil

[ruby crest]

what team style where u trying to go with this team

cause half of it screams offense but the other also yells bo/balance

[cloud blade]

So more hyper on the hyper offense aspect

[ruby crest]

pretty much its veil ho

go dummy stupid with it

[cloud blade]

[magic glacier]

i originally made the team with like LO sam in mind but i deviated away from sam the more i played with the team

like i found that a lot of my wins were from like tusk/gambit/pult

[cloud blade]

Wait. You just gave me the sample.

Im gonna like

Mix them

[ruby crest]

its not a sample

its close

but

not

[cloud blade]

I think honestly v2 of my team was cooler

[ruby crest]

since the one ur mistaking it for is the hazard set up spam one

tho u will be seeing a lot of the same pairs fwiw in a lot of ho

[ruby crest]

so keep those i suppose?

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/35edf0b7c2b435fa here was v2 for reference

[magic glacier]

yeahhhhh i'm trying out what dragon said rn

like replace sam with corv/skarm

[cloud blade]

I really enjoyed the tusk set ngl even tho cyber told me it was suboptimal

[ruby crest]

yeh eject pack tusk on ho hasnt been good since pre home

especially on ho

[cloud blade]

Ye it was fun but I got way more results with the booster set

The original was ngl kinda deranged tho https://pokepast.es/86f61931db54c222

[ruby crest]

if you do wanna keep tusk then make it bu speed booster tusk and then do every other changes as mentioned but gambit > boulder then

thats another option

[ruby crest]

i def say do the skarm

tho i also would want to make this gliscor > tusk here personally cause a fat spdef ground goes a long way in dealing with bolt and other stuff

but i imagine you dont want tusk gone here

[cloud blade]

I think imma replace volc with hat, and tusk with gambit, then clean up the other sets

With your suggestions

[ruby crest]

na keep volc

[cloud blade]

Erm

Any reason?

[ruby crest]

u want volc otherwise goobers like iron val or scarf enam go dummy

[cloud blade]

I was getting way more mileage out of serp

[magic glacier]

honestly i'm down for whatever as long as it works LOL, i haven't had too much trouble with spa guys yet because of glowking but i'll keep gliscor in mind if i do

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/3f092827fc29b99c

Made this during lunch break. Any potential? Still learning to make better teams even after 8 months in the online comp scene.

[cloud blade]

Ill do both and test em

[ruby crest]

that works!

[cloud blade]

Ngl the team was built like first week of dlc drop, so I havent used it in a couple weeks anyway

[forest magnet]

tyson carry

[grizzled mural]

Originally was using public teams to get to around 1500+ ELO but now thinking of developing my own team

[grizzled mural]

Also just realised I put acrobatics on RM

Which is useless when banded

[ruby crest]

cause mt approach is def do skarm > h samu, hex pult tho from there gets tricky ngl what if we do double ground here so keep the booster tusk functions more as ur breaker for the team, and then have spdef gliscor > enam u already got good speed control with pult + sucker

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/0a4407cc6160bc1f
Fixed RM, sun HO basically

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/30dd2cc2c65d8b02 something like this @magic glacier

[magic glacier]

ty for the help 🙏 i'll give this a shot

out of curiosity why does gliscor run 244hp?

[ruby crest]

recover more hp from poison heal

[ruby crest]

this is supposed to be sun ho but none of the main abusers are there outside of moon no wake or venu to be in sight which are big staples for sun

https://pokepast.es/7d0b44bff29d2ad1 i recommend looking at this sun team or just use it tbh

[grizzled mural]

Aight interesting

I’m really trying to learn more about teambuilding actually, so what do you recommend dropping and picking up?

Basically avoiding to outright use sample teams

[ruby crest]

a lot of stuff

iron boulder, serp, and dengo have no place imo

and thats a lot of changes already which is basically me rebuilding ur team rather then rating

[grizzled mural]

I’ll be back with a new team and hopefully it’ll be better

[ruby crest]

but i def respect wanting to improve on teambuilding if you have any concerns and want some input or help always feel free to ask at #comp-general

[grizzled mural]

I don’t get a lot of people replying to my questions much so I really just stick around here but I appreciate the feedback

[ruby crest]

i can put my two cents, feel free to tag me whenever love to help out

[elfin relic]

https://pokepast.es/adae1315e3711973

any tips on what can i do? i wanna try builiding around Darkrai

[ruby crest]

Step one don’t run wide lense on darkrai

U need life orb otherwise u will be hitting like a noodle

Do np 3 attacks

[elfin relic]

aight

[grizzled mural]

How’s this now?

https://pokepast.es/3dc5502b84c9732c

[ruby crest]

As far everything else goes Tera fighting on darkrai with np pulse sludge bomb and focus blast, recover > gleam on dengo, hdb gouging fire and take attack away and give it 88 spdef this is for it to better check volc, do 56 hp on serp and do a different Tera type stellar is honestly mid, sd iron boulder > tusk, and lead glimmer > h samu

[grizzled mural]

Tera Dragon on Wake to nuke Draco harder, Tera Fire for a better weather ball, physically defensive Hatterene, forgot to change Tera

Should be Tera water

[ruby crest]

Yeah this def can work it’s much better

so some minor changes

[grizzled mural]

Sure

[elfin relic]

Superior (Serperior) @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 56 HP / 202 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Leaf Storm
• Tera Blast
• Glare
• Substitute

would this serp set work?

also what would be the best moves for SD iron boulder

[hearty storm]

What are some archuladon team members in doubles?

[ruby crest]

Yeah I do prefer ground on it tho

you can also do some other stuff like rock as well

Mess around and see which Tera benefits u the most

[grizzled mural]

SD Boulder runs Cleave, Zen and CC I think

I use that in my main team

[ruby crest]

This is to rate if you need help ask at #comp-general

[ruby crest]

Yeah it’s usually sd cleave cc/ eq zen/ eq / sub

tho I like sd cleave cc zen/ sub

[grizzled mural]

Anything I should change for my team?

Will be testing on my alt later today

[elfin relic]

tera?

and you wouldnt mind me asking what does 56 hp on serp acheive

[ruby crest]

Make this Tera fire bu tusk with lefties, Tera ground on venusaur while I do understand why u want to boost weather ball it already deals the damage in sun and boosting ep helps a long way especially to pressure raging bolt which can doesn’t care about grass or fire moves, do specs walking wake and Tera water, also hatt u can honestly do a different Tera but water is the most common, also change the spdef investment in it for speed otherwise pex gets free haze on u

[grizzled mural]

Aight no problemo

[ruby crest]

It’s for taking two hydro pumps from rotom w, rare but helpful makes u an even bigger annoyance

[grizzled mural]

I didn’t think of haze actually

[ruby crest]

Yeh pex is faster for a bunch of slow mons so it firing off haze before u is bad especially cause you can do lots of damage on it if it doesn’t Tera

[grizzled mural]

I do prefer Tera water to get rid of the steel weakness but what other possible options are there?

[ruby crest]

There’s some crazy ones it’s all up to messing around and see which one u value more but for safety I guess u can do Tera water

[grizzled mural]

I could experiment with Tera fire

It is a sun team after all

Gets rid of steel weakness and still take neutral from wayer

[ruby crest]

There’s also some other fun options like flying removing a lot of weakness and making it for mons like Gliscor ting Lu and tusk to deal with you

Not a bad deal given u bounce back their hazards

[grizzled mural]

Very interesting

Tera fire GT?

What’s that all about

If I’m running BU do I still maintain proto speed?

[ruby crest]

U need to go bulky for that and go 0 attack iirc to get proto speed

[grizzled mural]

The current spread I have guarantees proto speed I think

[fallow kettle]

https://pokepast.es/19929b59b583c139

[ruby crest]

Tera fire is to prevent burns from wisp users/ flame body contact from moltres and volc especially the latter if ur all set up can easily shut off ur sweep with a burn

[grizzled mural]

Some Chinese EVs here and there

[grizzled mural]

Very cool

I was just planning on sniping volc or heatran with either venu or wake

Flash fire’s more popular though on heat right

[ruby crest]

Yeah ur tusk spread gives u attack booster

[grizzled mural]

Damn must’ve done it wrong

[ruby crest]

Mibimum investment is 4 evs in attack

Otherwise attack stat will be higher

[sly mauve]

tried making a team using the "Frameworks in Teambuilding" article, I messed something up did I?
https://pokepast.es/06432978defb5c6d

[grizzled mural]

So proto speed bulk up Tera fire

[ruby crest]

Ye

max speed max hp is the simplest u can do

[grizzled mural]

Rapid spin
CC
HR
BU?

[ruby crest]

Bu spin hr/ quake if u wanna play bit more careful ice spinner

[grizzled mural]

My entire personality is risky plays

I’ll experiment a little

What about my RM set? Need any fixing?

Proto speed Banded

I used it before the initial OU ban a while back

[ruby crest]

It’s fine as it is i forgot the optimal ev spread is for it tho you can check calc when in doubt

Send an update version off the team

[grizzled mural]

Will do

Appreciate it

[sly mauve]

hey, mind if you rate my team I send earlier here?

[grizzled mural]

Oh I’m not actually a rater here

Kinda out of my paygrade

I can tell you some stuff but I can’t guarantee it’s good advice

[fallow kettle]

if you have electric and ground immunities + a couple meta mons you'll be fine

[grizzled mural]

For starters I guess Torkoal is out of place

You’re not exactly running a sun team

[sly mauve]

oh sorry

[grizzled mural]

It’s aight

I’m assuming the frameworks in team building is a smogon article?

I don’t see any synergy between members either but this is coming from a guy who sucks at building teams but is great at playing em

I’d just recommend to wait for one of the staff members to come by or maybe just use a sample team for now

[upper maple]

That article is pretty old so some stuff is outdated

[sly mauve]

oh

[upper maple]

It's mainly for BW

[grizzled mural]

Damn that’s old

I’m older than BW of all things

[upper maple]

Ofc some things mentioned in the article are for any generation tho

[brisk cedar]

People younger than gen 5 are allowed on smogon

Because gen 5 was 14 years ago

[grizzled mural]

I’m older than FRLG

[sly mauve]

I thought it still applied

[grizzled mural]

Not your fault, meta changes a lot over the years

[upper maple]

And mechanics change

Like in BW weather was permanent

[brisk cedar]

I'd use a sample team for now, or take standard sun 6 if you want sun

https://pokepast.es/7d0b44bff29d2ad1

Sun sample

[sly mauve]

no thanks, sample teams get beaten easily

[grizzled mural]

Could be a skill issue if I’ll be honest but you do you

[sly mauve]

nope

[upper maple]

Not really since people can just pull up the pokepaste of the sample team you're using

[grizzled mural]

True

[sly mauve]

yeah

which I why I am against them

[grizzled mural]

Then by all means try to develop your own team

[sly mauve]

Original Teams > Sample Teams

[sly mauve]

skill issue sounds cringe, Skill imperfection is better

[grizzled mural]

I suppose it does

[sly mauve]

yeaahh I used the balanced team part of that article

if someone has a updated article on how to make a team framework then please link me one

[grizzled mural]

You can watch some videos by Pinkacross on YT

[sly mauve]

I know about them

they are cool

[sly mauve]

also are there any team raters here I can ping for some help?

[grizzled mural]

I wouldn’t have a concrete answer for that, I usually get replies pretty quickly from the staff team and I don’t really remember their names

@ruby crest was helping me out earlier so they might be able to assist

[sly mauve]

@ruby crest
hey, you mind rating this team I made using a outdated article about teambuilding?

[ruby crest]

I’m about to hit the bed if no one has helped you while I’m out I will rate it in the morning

[sly mauve]

eh alr then

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/218bc6f112dced3b

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

yeaah just gonna repost this team
https://pokepast.es/06432978defb5c6d
again I made this using a outdated article about framworks in teambuilding

[upper maple]

I have no priority which is a problem but i don't know what to change

I could go back to band pult so i have priority with spunch but i feel like i don't have much SpA in my team that way

[forest magnet]

weavile > meow

(boots weave set)

and knock > cc on great tusk

also I feel like you would wanna give pex the boot

[upper maple]

I lose a pivot tho

[forest magnet]

you gain prio tho

• it still has knock

[upper maple]

I atleast wanna have 2 mons that have U-Turn etc.

[forest magnet]

u gotta pivot just by norm switching

[forest magnet]

😵‍💫

weavile forces many mons out, so u can predict via there

[upper maple]

4a or 3a

[upper maple]

Why

[forest magnet]

4a

shard, taxel, knock and low kick

[forest magnet]

nvm, looking at ur team is alr

but ur core is pretty weak to other heatran

other than trading heatrans

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/cf16f2d690d063b0

[forest magnet]

hmm, maybe spd mola is better over pex

[upper maple]

Doesn't deal damage tho and you gotta predict alot more

Compared to just clicking a move and done

[forest magnet]

thats the part, things dont wanna get knocked

bc ur hazards chip does alot then

[upper maple]

What does mola run in SV?

https://pokepast.es/33e0fe143525944c

This?

[forest magnet]

a molar (Alomomola) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 84 HP / 180 Def / 244 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Wish
• Protect
• Flip Turn
• Scald

[upper maple]

Ok

[upper maple]

What are the evs for

https://pokepast.es/165a5e110ce65bc3
This it?

Is my stall matchup fine

[forest magnet]

max spd while keeping some phys bulk

less hp evs, this is bc mola alr has so much

[forest magnet]

ja looks good

[upper maple]

Ight

[ruby crest]

yeah torkoal and walking wake are honestly random here also feels like the team lacks a general direction

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/c0f6dc4178bc9d67

built a tr team around rampardos, testing it i feel like its weak to gliscor and rillaboom. i need a better mon in place of deoxys-d too, help is appreciated!

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

So trickroom isn’t really viable in singles: you burn a turn just switching out your setter, and then you’ve only got 4 turns to kill every mon on their team(which often falls short). Other forms of HO are generally better because they don’t need to run multiple setters, and can still operate without their setup, while trick room completely fails without the room.

[austere field]

https://pokepast.es/c92eaee21be10b58

This teams been doing me pretty decently, any advice?

[cloud gull]

looks pretty good , anything ur having trouble with?

[fierce basin]

Hey,
personally I don't think trickroom is good enough rn to slap a shitmon on there (believe me I've tried), but I'm gonna leave the rampardos there because you said it's built around it
For a mon better than deoxys-deez, I'd go with a lagging tail glowking. This lets you set up trick room and then you still get a slow teleport out due to your lagging tail.
the team is definitely getting slapped up by rillaboom rn, so over either rampardos or ursaluna (since I feel like they have the most overlap) I'd run long mouth enamorus, incredibly bulky obnoxious mf that still slaps while giving you a resist to all of rilla's moves on this team. Here in the paste I've put it over ursaluna so you can keep rampardos, but when you're satisfied with the amount of heads you've smashed you should swap ursaluna back in.
Here's the paste w changes https://pokepast.es/3940ccdb37223a56
other options:
ugly hydrapple over beautiful long mouth enamorus, still switches into glide or hammer but gets uturned on.
If you get tired of using kingambit as your kingambit answer, you can run iron hands. Gambit is good though cause it also resists both of weavile's stabs, which imo is a problematic mon for this teamstyle
hope this helps, good luck have fun

[austere field]

Roaring moon is annoying

Meow is a bit difficult to answer too

[cloud gull]

weavile could work here

[austere field]

Instead of meow?

[cloud gull]

yea

offensively answers both meow and roaring moon

[austere field]

Boots sd?

[cloud gull]

ye

[austere field]

Yeah that seems pretty nice

Shard axel knock?

[cloud gull]

yea

[ruby crest]

Do we actually need weav and gambit on the same team why not replace dirge and rotom for something else for better defensive profile if we want to improve against moon mu

[cloud gull]

sd shard axel knock

[stone onyx]

thank you, i appreciate it

[austere field]

I originally had skarm but swapped for rotom for rain

[stone onyx]

ramp is fun but all it does is miss so yeah i might swap it w ursa

[fierce basin]

happy to help

[austere field]

What would you recommend?

For better defense

[ruby crest]

I def do prefer skarm > washer

Tho I feel u want Tera fairy on dirge then idk what alluring voice when u can just wisp the moon as well, and do ting Lu > gambit and make this bu tusk temples flare is mid on tusk

[austere field]

I should run weav then for priority though

[ruby crest]

Ehh idk what’s with the weird of obsession of priority is needed especially cause the mons u want priority for are covered with dirge ting Lu skarm

[austere field]

https://pokepast.es/a76dd46cc4eeff4b

Oh so run meow instead of weavile?

[cloud gull]

u got no water resists

[austere field]

Tera water ting lu

I can swap back meow

Fake resist

[ruby crest]

Could also just do kyurem > pz but that’s the main focus on the team

Also do Tera blast > tri attack and do Tera fighting otherwise Blissey just sits on u forever

you can also do adapt since u get stab from Tera blast no matter

[cloud gull]

download is better on pory

[austere field]

What is my answer to wake in sun

[cloud gull]

Team should beat stall anyways with weavile + spikes

[cloud gull]

playing offensively+ water lu

[ruby crest]

It’s the best u can do sicne pory while a cool Mon really should be a pult/ kyurem but alas

[bleak burrow]

my first try at building a ou team

https://pokepast.es/a56070c788cdb8e1

[bleak burrow]

btw try tera blast, because u still get a 80 bp normal attack + tera stab

i would run adaptabillity tho

[spiral fable]

is there any reason for a lot of these evs? why does tusk have 5 invested stats? why does gambit have specifically 120 spdef invested? why spdef mola?
you don't have any breakers, and you realy don't need that many defensive mons, especially since neither clodsire or tusk can pivot
drop mola and clod for gking and specs kyurem
swap tusk's set to phys def with rocks over flare, eq over headlong, and knock over temper
swap corv to the phys def set as well, with id bp(keep roost and you can customize last slot)
gking is spdef pivot
personally i would drop serp for volc but that's up to you
fix gambit's evs, run the standard bulky set

you can also run offensive tusk with boots but i prefer defensive tusk

another option is gliscor over corv for spikes

[sly mauve]

so, what can I do for the team?

[sly mauve]

@forest magnet you got any ideas?

(sorry for ping)

[forest magnet]

strongly suggest scrapping

[sly mauve]

wait why

also should I go for a sun team or a bulky offense team

[ruby crest]

none of the mon really benefit with each other or work in the certain archetype that u will require more than 2 changes to make it function tbh

[sly mauve]

so uh, how would I go about changing the team?

[ruby crest]

like I mention scrap it and start fresh tbh, if u want help for general direction in waht to do from starting a fresh team ask in comp-gen as rating isn’t the same thing when we just rebuild ur team

[sly mauve]

o ok

[forest magnet]

Like tyson said before, this team has no direction. You need to choose sun or BO

[cloud blade]

1. https://pokepast.es/02ae5946ca259554
2. https://pokepast.es/fdba96c4c06c2ff0

Same team, but one mon difference, i didnt know which I liked more.

I was wondering if sd gliscor would be helpful, cuz without it, I do have a pretty rough stall matchup (if they have clef). Also I was a bit iffy on the tera types. If you are curious about evs, I should be able answer most questions (the evs, especially on thunderclapper, were probably intentional)

[ruby crest]

I like the non sd gliscor one a lil better

[cloud blade]

ty

[ruby crest]

Tho the first half of the team is solid the last two mons for Both are the most disposable ones could be something better

[cloud blade]

Ye

The cinderace/tusk slot

I was really

Iffy on

[ruby crest]

literally make it

Weavile > ace and pex > azu

[cloud blade]

No hazard control?

Like at all?

Im just surprised

[ruby crest]

na a lot of skarm glisc/ Lu balance don’t necessarily need hazard control

[cloud blade]

Fair enough

[ruby crest]

that’s why we have broken hdb spam

[cloud blade]

Wait

What if i place hat

Over azu

[ruby crest]

no

U want pex here

[cloud blade]

Oki

[ruby crest]

gives u a solid bulky water tspikes absorbed and check to stuff like iron Val enam etc

[cloud blade]

Imma probably use the azu set on future teams

Cuz it was really reliable

Tho without any recovery I understand why i need to get it gone

[ruby crest]

azu is prettt outclassed while it does enjoy oger usage going down it does have some competition with prima

I would use this azu set if this team was more offense but this is balance

So

The lack of recovery hurts it a lot

[cloud blade]

Ye, the fact that it has no recovery meant that like

It felt really hard to bring in

[ruby crest]

Especially cause you can’t afford boots

It will be getting worn down constantly

[sly mauve]

yeah I do post teams here just to get them rebuilt, sorry

[cloud blade]

Do u have any weavile/pex sets you recommend? @ruby crest

(I’ve honestly like never used weavile like at all, so I would feel a bit dubious making the set)

[forest magnet]

knock, taxel, low kick + ice shard

• boots

[cloud blade]

Ty