[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[ocean pumice]

i forgot 💀 ty

[grizzled violet]

looking for any possible ways to improve this team, I'm fairly new to the gen 9 meta so I'm still trying to learn about what mons need to counter what, etc. https://pokepast.es/5978e43e9a047800

[fierce basin]

This is just an outdated sample team, try picking up an updated one !gen9samples

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[grizzled violet]

ah didn't know it was outdated, I grabbed it off the forums and was trying to see if there would've been anything worth adding to it

but i'll check those out thank you!

[fierce basin]

The samples are pretty well vetted so as long as you have an up to date one it'll be hard to recommend changes

[grizzled violet]

Alrighty

off hand do you know anyone that rates natdex monotype?

or would be able to recommend suggestions on how to make a team I was running for gen 8 potentially optimal for gen 9

[shy garden]

https://pokepast.es/1fec105801f72cfb

I straight up know this ones bad. I just really want to make a team with both sinistcha and weezing for fun

and it turned out to be a little too tall a task for me

[high pier]

https://pokepast.es/f7fdb3adc32c9d4e i made this team in the pre dlc and i wanna update it for the new meta

[hearty storm]

Hello! I’m new to competitive Pokémon but I know stuff like Ev’s and Iv’s and stuff like that and I know how to breed shiny competitive Pokémon but I’m having trouble making an actual team can anyone help me?

[high pier]

use showdown

[real willow]

so these channels are used to rate fully completed teams

but if you want help for getting into competitive Pokemon we can help you in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

[obtuse palm]

https://pokepast.es/2e97a404f36a0a12 random team i made. looks kinda good but no clue if its even worth using in comp lmao

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk cedar]

yeah this isn't viable in OU, I'd recommend checking the sample teams

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[obtuse palm]

the frostmoth is fun to use tho xD

[fallow garden]

https://pokepast.es/af292a28ecde503f rate

shud i swap out the bulky swords dance gambit set for one with speed?

[fallow garden]

the team doesnt have anything to maintain momentum

just noticed

[weary crypt]

No quiver dance on it makes it kind of dead weight compared to what it could do

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/7629cb8f9992e69d
Hazard Stack Offense
The idea of the team is to stack up as much as hazards as possible with tspikes, spikes and stealth on moth and chomp and reject any removal from mons such as corv. Dondozo is here for Gambit and ceruledge who we otherwise could die to especially if dnite loses multiscale. Hex pult works well with tspikes and can also spread burns and is our pivot. This is a pretty boots heavy team so I decided to not get rapid spin. Dnite works pretty well as we shut down corv with most of our team and it also acts as a priority and revenge killer as we lack anything faster than pult in that regard. A option is to use red card mola over dozo as it can work well as a pivot while forcing out ceru and gambit and other physical threats.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pulsar comet]

https://pokepast.es/67905eaf9e3563a5
i tried my best

[spiral fable]

You have no immediate power/breakers, no hazard removal and 4 boots doens't really make up for that especially with knock growing more common, and dozo is a massive momentum sink
Swap chomp for ting lu, it does everything chomp does but better
Drop moth for offensive utility tusk, you can run rocks on it if you want or keep rocks on ting lu, alternatively it could also be phys def tusk
Swap pult to its specs set
Dengo is fine but I would recommend air balloon
Dozo doesn't really fit on offense, run booster val instead
Drop dnite for waterpon, it'll help a lot in breaking defensive mons with encore

[spiral fable]

This team just doens't work, quick claw is never good and you have two defensive mons on a ho team, plus your maushold is eved weirdly and doesn't hit crucial speed marks(351 to outspeed moth), and hoopa unbound isn't good in ou

Veil as a whole also is struggling in OU rn

I would recommend you run a sample team for now, here's the link

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[merry lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/74441d31adc363ba what should i change here?

[cloud gull]

Stealing that moltress nick

[shy garden]

https://pokepast.es/1fec105801f72cfb - gonna retry this. I don't think I can get these 2 to work together tbh. Trying to build a team that includes both sinistcha and weezing-G but it might just not work out. Curious if anyone can make it competent? If not then I'd prefer to keep sinistcha but I was trying to avoid that haha

[obtuse palm]

yeah i know. i just wanted to see how hard of a hit it can take. and its actually pretty strong lmao

[weary crypt]

Aside from the aforementioned issues when building in the future a word of advice is that loaded dice doesn't help population bomb, scope lens does

[pulsar comet]

i've gotten my fair share of 3 hits with population bomb 😭

i hardly miss the hits too

[spiral fable]

Wide lens is always better for population bomb

Because it is an accuracy check for every hit, like triple axel

Wide lens increases that accuracy check from 90% to 99%, making the move far more consistent

[pulsar comet]

yeah i know that but it almost never misses

i average 7 hits with dice usually

[spiral fable]

Yes

That means it missed on the 7th hit

[pulsar comet]

i'm probably just REALLY lucky but still

[spiral fable]

That’s not even lucky that’s just loaded dice working as intended

[pulsar comet]

not the multi hit thing i'm talking about not missing

it's happened like

once

[spiral fable]

Then you misunderstood how it works

It’s not a single accuracy check

Every hit of population bomb, from its first to the 10th, is a seperate accuracy check every time

[pulsar comet]

yeah i know that's why i think it has to be ridiculous luck 😭

[forest magnet]

are you doing this just for a "fun" thing? the core is pretty bad as there is some defensive overlap, they don't do much damage and stuff

i can try to keep sin but like weezinggalar too

[spiral fable]

Just run wide lens, it’s far more consistent

And better

[pulsar comet]

sure

why not

[shy garden]

yea it's more for fun but obviously I want to be semi-competitive or I wouldnt be posting it here. I was trying to figure out if it can be done but it just seemed impossible to me so I was turning to people who might know more

[forest magnet]

so what do u want

u wanna keep both? or just sin

also what sin set

[shy garden]

If it's POSSIBLE to keep both then I think that would be a preference but to me it seems unlikely to be comeptitive that way

but keeping sin is far the priority

as for the sin set I like the CM one

was just an attempt at spicing up mons I was using to be honest, most of my teams are pretty similar

[pulsar comet]

here's another team i made, it was originally just a for fun thing because i realised i could make until i realised i was winning way more with it than my main team so i want to try making it more viable https://pokepast.es/02a7122fa2b4fa74

[spiral fable]

This is another sample moment

You don’t have a lead, iapapa berry on zenta isn’t good and you have better options, assault vest kingambit is an actual war crime, volcanion doesn’t fit on ho, and decidueye hisui just isn’t good in ou

[pulsar comet]

what's wrong with assault vest kingambit

[spiral fable]

You sacrifice gambit’s best trait, sweeping late game, for a spdef boost that barely helps anything

Gambit is meant to use its bulk to snag a swords dance and sweep

Assault vest completely removes that option and turns your gambit near uselsss

[pulsar comet]

ah ok

i only ever used damaging moves before i game it assault vest

before i make another stupid item decision what would be a better item for zamazenta

[forest magnet]

leftovers would be good

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/ddab49555869c57c HO
Team concept-> hatt lead, get up troom and screens, hwish into your gambit, then you just minisweep, switvh out before you die, and then just save the wish for a second gambit sweep later

For team improvements anything that maintains the wish suicide lead into double gambit sweep is fine for me other 4 mons were just filler

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/4b8b40256132858e my attempt at building balance :)

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/1ab224262b82f5b4

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shy garden]

think it's possible? I should prob just drop G-Weezing and make a new team with sinistcha only hm?

[forest magnet]

sorry am working on it

i had to take my commute

[shy garden]

o np!

I feel like it's just not a very good core but Im not sure why I like them together

[waxen moth]

do i just copy paste the text wall i get after pressing "import/export"?

wait nvm

https://pokepast.es/6994dc69707f6333

this right?

I made acc yesterday

first team

gonna try a game with it

oop

forgot something

[brisk cedar]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[brisk cedar]

The team isn't very good, you should play with various sample teams to find how pokemon synergize in the meta and what the big threats are

The VR is also updated, https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-teal-mask-viability-ranking-thread.3729909/page-6#post-9879940

Anything below B- tier probably shouldn't be used when you are getting used to teambuilding

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-teal-mask-viability-ranking-thread.3729909/

This link is correct, I linked the update and not the rankings

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/feec5a1929d47508 Sorry for taking so long, I was a bit busy. I kept the core that you wanted, it looks pretty fun. Anyways, I made Sin leftovers, Made Zapdos for some spd, swapped clod for tusk for better hazard removal vs dengo + general utility, made gambit bulky, and swapped heatran for Weavile for speed controll + knock off.

[forest magnet]

Scrap it and use a sample, Hatt can't survive enough to set all that up, and Tr is very unviable.

[forest magnet]

I would highly suggest scrapping this and using a sample, 2/3 of the team is weak to Ground as well as this team seems overly passive with alot of defensive overlap. Try looking at some sample balances to get an idea of what is a good "balance"

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[forest magnet]

Same case for you, there are too many overlapping weaknesses on this team, and it will struggle with pretty common mons like Enamorus and Iron Val. Refer to the sample above.

[fallow garden]

https://pokepast.es/af292a28ecde503f

[shy garden]

Thank you man! Yea I just thought it seemed like a fun combo

[high pier]

https://pokepast.es/a65fdfa9be18056d is there anything i can do to make this team better?

[shy garden]

Yo having a ton of fun with this team btw. It's actually surprisingly effective. G Weezing is very fun too lol, thanks again for the help

[glad wolf]

been reading some sample team and they still were mentioning Gliscor 😦

[fallow garden]

any1 who can rate this?

[cloud gull]

this looks good , maybe tera fly on gambit as it's better imo , what are u having trouble with

[fallow garden]

mostly with maintaining momentum

since theres no pivots

[cloud gull]

o for that u can make pult uturn and amoongus eject button to get in enam

uturn pult synergises as it brings in enam on uturn on ting lu

[fallow garden]

what do i replace uturn with on pult?

[cloud gull]

Substitute

[fallow garden]

alright thanks

[quick bluff]

aight, thank you
tried fixing the errors by adding rilla, figured it both helps cover against ground and helps the team have more offensive pressure
https://pokepast.es/5cb53d40e044ace2
if this still doesn’t work lmk, also feeling like there isn’t enough pivoting on this team but not sure where to slot some

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

hello,
I don't think sun is very good in current meta after the roaring moon ban and with the influx of chilly reception slowking-galars, but I'll try to help you improve this without just scrapping it
your walking wake has the speed booster EV spread but it's modest which stops it from speed boosting. swapped to timid so it speed boosts
your torkoal has no attacks, that is far too passive. you don't need both wisp and yawn, replaced wisp with plume, another option is flamethrower because it breaks dragapult sub unlike plume
your great tusk is tera ice but it has no ice move, swapped to poison
I'd make this enamorus an eject button hatt so after you get sun up you can go into a sweeper, also provides healing wish support
made your brute bonnet terablast fire so you aren't walled by corv/amoong/gambit
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/69b8696bd2422a27
other options:
a lot of these mons benefit from grassy terrain tbh so you could make the brute a banded rillaboom
you can run spdef torkoal since it already has a lot of physical bulk it often benefits more from the additional spdef
dazzling gleam on moth so you can hit pult
hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[primal swan]

https://pokepast.es/b7fe4e512aa9362a hazard stuff

[high pier]

alr thx sm

[forest magnet]

I'm not sure what this is, but it has an odd team structure as Webs is pretty much only used on offensive structures (think of HO type strutures). If you want to go for a hazard stack (Spikes + Rocks). I would highly suggest scrapping this team as the hazard removal situation is pretty odd (maus is frail + slower than cinderace) and the teammates don't really match well with each other.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[fierce root]

Does poke paste work on mobile ?

[primal swan]

Yes

[primal swan]

Alr

[fierce root]

Whenever I try and upload anything it just says no (or invalid) paste

[forest magnet]

go to showdown, then click on ur team. scroll down till you see export

click on that, and u should have your team link

[fierce root]

Ight

[real willow]

!pokepaste

[viral sable]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180735291453/pokepaste1.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=5d0b952a78e50b944a63f5e16a9006dffbf6f8fe900cede444f1c65b965a064a&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180492013660/pokepaste2.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=2d3caf4b912c30f438c896f0b696d9c80bd50d9e5a4a8ed067bca9e5dbf6ff3c&

[fierce root]

https://pokepast.es/9bbf3c14376ba535 is there anyway I can improve this team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

got it

[forest magnet]

please delete this and send a pokepaste link

[willow flume]

I wanted to make a valid OU team using gen 5 pokemon, hamorrot in particular

[willow flume]

no clue what that is but ok

https://pokepast.es/1f704ce0a0bfe36c

[willow flume]

done

[forest magnet]

thx

[willow flume]

if there is a way to squeeze in more gen 5s or competatively optimize it then lmk please

[forest magnet]

alright, will do

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/da5c43951dc3707f massive changes to previous team @forest magnet is it rate worthy now (biggest thing i was curious about was lando set, i ended up going tera flying tera blast out of mostly being unsure what to do, and liking to ohko stuff that tries to switch into eq)

[forest magnet]

yeah, good job :)

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/33335d644f7f82b6 umm i had it named semi-inspire semi-stall but i changed it to dunkin fat

[forest magnet]

@cloud blade do u still want me to rate the team u posted above?

[willow flume]

so anything about this team?

[cloud blade]

ye the fat is low priority u can take as logn as u want for it, the one above tho is the one i been using more rn

[fierce basin]

alright,
no point in scarf lando on a structure like this, you're better off making it a form of hazard control since you currently don't have any, like hatterene or speed booster great tusk. They both take advantage of your veil and function as hazard control supplementally. I'd probably choose booster bulk up great tusk here because you are really really weak to zamazenta, making it tera poison to resist body press.
as for your valiant, if you have cc & psyshock i dont think you need the other one and it can be slotted for a move like encore
the rest seems fine, just keep in mind veil has fallen off for a reason (imo due to the popularity of cinderace) so it may be tougher to use than it once was
updated paste https://pokepast.es/bc70c85cac961493 good luck have fun
other options:
clear body over infiltrator on dragapult, blocks intimidate and gives you an additional out vs webs

[cloud blade]

i find ace really easy to play around because of lando

but i get what you mean

zama problems were not there but i havent fought any since i switched tblast for low kick

so i havent seen that matchup yet

is there something like booster bulk up tusk that can just smother ace

or would u say tusk does that already

@fierce basin

[fierce basin]

Nothing stops court change that's why it's such a popular mon

[cloud blade]

well court change isnt a threat

[willow flume]

good talk /j

[cloud blade]

its generally if they pyro ball

then court

cuz if we both have screens up i can just snowball with pult almost always

[forest magnet]

some big changes here: swapped lando for tusk for better hazard removal (cinderace is only short term), made zapdos more bulky, so it can support tusk better, made glowking a pivot set, for a better weather matchup as well as being less weak to hazards, swapped moth for specs val for a better speed tier (outspeeds things like oger and other moth) and swapped dnite for gambit for strong priority + a ghost resist, and swapped cinderace for ogerpon for a good grass resist + knock off asorber.
https://pokepast.es/e67b59a534d7c99b

[forest magnet]

This team is a bit all over the place, your speed tier is very awkward as well as there is alot of defensive overlap as a team. You are also pretty weak to SpA hits in general too, so keep that in mind.

I would suggest going with a sample, this being a cool Banded Samu team.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/take-me-to-your-leader-salamence-bo-ft-banded-samurott-and-maushold-peak-rank-6.3732125/

keeps some ideas of your team, but it works better. the RMT covers what you need to know about piloting etc...

[willow flume]

ummmm

"speed tier", "RMT", "piloting"

and i assume "defencsive overlap" is typing

[forest magnet]

speed tier is like how fast your mons are

you have a pretty slow team overall, with no really solid form of speed controll

[forest magnet]

rmt is just a post on their team

[willow flume]

a post?

[forest magnet]

open the link

[fierce root]

Thank you for your help

[forest magnet]

np

[willow flume]

sorry for being stupid

[white portal]

hey there im pretty new to competitive looking for team rating & what i should use for 6th mon

https://pokepast.es/d110a255dab7af36

[brisk cedar]

This team isn't very good and we only rate completed teams

#1030567099703242903 message

Here are all the rules for future reference

[white portal]

ight sorry

[brisk parrot]

https://pokepast.es/88b7fe05a6dfd026 rate my team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

this is singles ou

[brisk parrot]

oh

[tribal dune]

https://pokepast.es/102216636b0cc817 hows this, keep in mind that i have no idea on how to teambuild

or competitive in general

[livid trench]

https://pokepast.es/38ea40edac3f473c rate my team!

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[livid trench]

its built around breloom who i think is a seriously underrated ou clean up sweeper

[fierce basin]

This is no good unfortunately. When you run a suicide lead to get up hazards like sash hamurott it's generally accompanied by 5 offensive mons so you maintain momentum the entire game and hazards don't leave the field. Sash samurott hisui does not pair with mons like corv and dirge, because if these mons come out it takes the pressure off the opponent and they can remove the hazards you sacked your lead for. Eject Hatterene is really only for certain team structures like sun. All your sets are viable but the mons together make no sense. I'd recommend piloting a sample team to start out with so next time you build you have a better idea of what is used for what purpose
Hope this helps, good luck have fun
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[tribal dune]

thanks, are there any other resources so i can get deeper into teambuilding?

[fierce basin]

!gen9ouresources

!svouresources

!ouresources

[viral sable]

OU Resources
OU Sample Teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/
OU Viability Rankings: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3729909/
OU Metagame Discussion: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3727806/
OU Simple Questions and Answers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3710772/
OU Room on Showdown: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/overused
OU Discord: https://discord.com/invite/Pgn3Nrb

[fierce basin]

There we go @tribal dune

[tribal dune]

ohh

thanks guys

[forest magnet]

Hey, I would really suggest scrapping this team. Breloom is not used much in OU for a reason, as its outsped and walled by alot of common threats, like Iron-Valiant (its a common cleaner) and even just slower things like Gholdengo that can ignore your priority. If you still want to go with a strong Grass attacker, I would suggest going with Swords Dance Ogerpon-Wellspring.

Here is a paste of a pretty good team that features Ogerpon-Wellspring: https://pokepast.es/52709bab10c2cfbd

also samples if you don't like it

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[livid trench]

okay! its definitely an off meta team for sure. I really like brelooms playstyle and i thought it had an interesting role in OU.

[forest magnet]

sadly it doesn't, if you want to still use it i would suggest using it in a lower tier (uu)

[livid trench]

totally

[cloud blade]

Use rilla

If u want grass type with prio

[livid trench]

i like breloom :^)

[livid trench]

to be honest i think im gonna have to just disagree with you if youd like a demonstration of the team to see how viable it is id be happy to battle you against whatever ou team you use most often 🙂 same name on here as on showdown

[forest magnet]

sure bud

send @w2p

[livid trench]

sent

[forest magnet]

@livid trench you see, in our battle, breloom did pretty much nothing

[livid trench]

you win 😔

honestly id still make an argument for him

[forest magnet]

i was thankfull that you brought it, because i could switch into my gholdengo anytime i wanted.

[willow flume]

https://pokepast.es/dffcf94d3e9ccf79

[livid trench]

gholdengo with balloon does wall him pretty well

[willow flume]

how do i convert this to OUs

[forest magnet]

i understand what you mean, but sash can be broken by hazards, which is very common (most popular playstyle rn is hazard stack) as well as it being outsped by almost everything

[willow flume]

i cant get it to work for shit

setting tox spikes gets slowking killed, and ceaseless edge feels like it has ass typing

dark seems resisted by fucking everything

[forest magnet]

Please don't post Uber teams here, we don't do conversions as that is a completely diffrent meta. Also, you got some wild sets. Detect Samurott with a Choice Scarf??

[willow flume]

i was asking how to change it to an OU team

but this chat was moving too fast to get the messages next to eachother

[willow flume]

^

[forest magnet]

we don't do conversions

we don't do conversions as that is a completely diffrent meta

[willow flume]

shutting up

[forest magnet]

all good man

[livid trench]

yeah most of my team is built to get rid of hazards lol

[forest magnet]

huh didn't really work vs my webs team tho...

[livid trench]

yeah yeah...

usually it does work

[forest magnet]

cinderace isn't a good form of hazard removal longterm

[livid trench]

i have a respectable 1590 with the team

i also use rapid spin on great tusk

[cloud gull]

@livid trench if u wanna use breloom , try webs

[fierce basin]

Yeah I would agree breloom's best niche is on webs rn

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/1fc82ed2e7f29528 - suggestions are very welcome ;], wanted to use AV pex

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

looks pretty good , maybe try max speed tusk coz u already got Zama , and imo flying is better on non tera blast gambit

[calm ether]

I have physdef tusk now mainly for opposing regular tusk and some physatk mons, or do you think only zam is fine to catch those mons the one time they come in?

Tera flying for kg is a good suggestion!

[cloud gull]

what other physical mons btw , max hp tusk is usually enough when I use it esp when u have dirge aswell

but if ur having problems then max defense is fine too

oh yea btw do 234 speed(stat) on tusk it reaches 351 speed after rapid spin

helpful for ogerpons and iron moth

[cloud gull]

if ur going with defensive one

[calm ether]

Ah that's a good one

And regarding defensive mons, monstly taking +2 ceru, physatk draga, some wellspring variants at +2, cinderace, and then some random meows, quaq, bb corv and some kg

[cloud gull]

ah fair , u can keep it defensive

[fierce root]

Do you think I can get high on the ladder with this

[forest magnet]

yeah :)

[fierce root]

Ight

[willow flume]

https://pokepast.es/7f6971d046ad89cd

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[willow flume]

how do i fit rotom wash into this setup

reading on him he sounds like a good fit, but i dont know any of the finer points of team editing (forget creation)

so i need to know who gets the axe, who's moves need changing, etc

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/5a61cc74333144e6

[fierce basin]

you have all special attackers so unfortunately this is probably a check the samples moment https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
I feel like this is a conscious choice by you but we don't really rate teams with self imposed limitations. If it's not a conscious choice by you, you need physical attackers so your mons aren't all walled by the same guys

[fierce basin]

hey, if you have questions about the team you're probably better off asking quizzy on his RMT post. He built it with certain mons in mind so it really isn't as simple as slotting in something different, and since he got rank 6 with this team he's surely the better person to answer questions regarding it. If you somehow got it somewhere else, here's a link https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/take-me-to-your-leader-salamence-bo-ft-banded-samurott-and-maushold-peak-rank-6.3732125/
good luck and have fun

[willow flume]

forgot, nobody plays gen9ou..

[forest magnet]

??

you ripped his team off, we don't rate well established teams, everything on this team has a purpose already.

[sly mauve]

That’s the point of the team it’s chip down ho

[willow flume]

because nobody can help me make my own team

because nobody knows the metagame

because nobody plays it

i also was trying to get help modifying it, but #comp-general booted me here

so i asked here

if this isnt the place for it, go yell at comp general about it

[forest magnet]

This is walled by Amnesia Clodsire so idk bud

[sly mauve]

People run that?

[real willow]

Does Clodsire even learn Amnesia?

[forest magnet]

thats the stall team rn

[celest dust]

#1030567099703242903 ; rule 5 is you must have built the team yourself

[sly mauve]

I see

[forest magnet]

thanks :)

[willow flume]

I. Tried.

"oh, i dont play that"

"I dont know that metagame, sorry!"

[celest dust]

We can help you improve a team you’ve built, but chances are if it’s a well known team, it’s probably already pretty good

[willow flume]

"nobody cares, a DLC will drop in a week making everything moot"

[celest dust]

There are sample teams and analyses for you to get a feel for the meta

Use those if you don’t want to build your own, or use them as inspiration to make your own team and then ask here

[willow flume]

I want to build my own, thats the thing

but i dont know how, and nobody is willing to help teach me

[celest dust]

Okay well I just told you how

Use the resources

[real willow]

!ouresources

[viral sable]

OU Resources
OU Sample Teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/
OU Viability Rankings: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3729909/
OU Metagame Discussion: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3727806/
OU Simple Questions and Answers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3710772/
OU Room on Showdown: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/overused
OU Discord: https://discord.com/invite/Pgn3Nrb

[real willow]

Just like

Peruse the OU subforum

[celest dust]

But either way, this is not the place

[willow flume]

tried the discord before, wouldnt let me in

[celest dust]

They probably use Chatot verification, do you have a Smogon account you can link?

[willow flume]

no

[sly mauve]

So I replaced pult with lando

[willow flume]

https://pokepast.es/fda06798bd86de70 here, the first of many trials and many errors

how'd i screw this up?

[forest magnet]

Listen, you seem newer to mons in general, I would highly suggest using well built teams (like samples) before diving into building.

[willow flume]

i dont know how to use any of the sample teams. there is a lot of info sure but i dont know how to use any of it. like, congrats, hypnosis is useful on your iron vallient apperently. now which move do i use when?

"using it on kingambit lets you scout their terra" great, why would i need to ever do that?

[graceful thunder]

This is just something you learn as you go

[willow flume]

i see information, no praxis

[graceful thunder]

The praxis is the ladder..?

[willow flume]

i mean it as in praxis in the fight

[graceful thunder]

On

Not practice

Well even still you can v easily practice on the ladder

You learn as you go on

[brisk cedar]

Just read one of the rmts

[graceful thunder]

Or that too

[willow flume]

i am, thats what im having an issue with

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ogrepon-wellspring-ho-2018-elo-88-gxe-60-7-w-l-record.3728084/

this one gives me "open with the toxic debris thing"

and thats it for the useful information i can get out of it

the hazards at least gives me an "if this, do that"

[graceful thunder]

What is the issue with it..?

Its a hyper offense team 90% of the time you lead w glimmora

Unless i am misunderstanding the question

[willow flume]

thats not the issue

[willow flume]

this is the issue

[celest dust]

Most of this you learn by playing

[graceful thunder]

^

As i said

[celest dust]

Take the team, get on the ladder, start clicking buttons

[willow flume]

by playing i tilt harder, and i imagine at least one mod has thought about muting me by now

[celest dust]

Learn which buttons worked and didn’t

Okay will just don’t message your opponent

Easy fix

[willow flume]

no, i mean here

[celest dust]

Okay where you’re angry don’t message here either

[willow flume]

i imagine im annoying af here trying to figure out what the hell to do before i burn myself out before i start having fun

[celest dust]

You’re going to lose about half the time you play, forever, on ladder

If that’s not going to be fun for you, competitive Pokémon may not be the best outlet for your free time

[celest dust]

Making mistakes and losing is part of it

70 games is nothing

[forest magnet]

My advice is just to play games to learn how to pilot a team, then you will learn how to play different playstyles.

[willow flume]

i can tolerate that, if i know what mistakes i made or how to learn from it

[forest magnet]

Also, watch pokemon youtube

it shows some good players and how they play (whats the correct play etc..)

[willow flume]

if i dont know what mistakes i made or how to avoid them i just get angry

[forest magnet]

how bout this

[willow flume]

like the stupid string cheese man (who needs to face the hammer) getting to oneshot everything with pennies

[forest magnet]

dm me

with your replays, and we will go over them together later.

sounds good?

[willow flume]

ok

[nocturne dagger]

https://pokepast.es/fbe153f764189d92 attempt at a spikes balance

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne dagger]

i've been trying to get back into ou before dlc 2 drops but im not too familiar with the current meta

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/3054da43420a32bc
@forest magnet i tried making a team with the ZapPexSus core you posted on forums

Why'd it reply to that

[hearty storm]

What’s a good held item for roaring moon?

[upper maple]

Booster/band also dont ask here

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/c89eb386b58a4959
Ghold & HSamu version since i feel the team struggles with stuff like psyshock val

Haven't tested yet

Just asking for advice on obvious problems that might not be obvious for me

[willow flume]

https://pokepast.es/9551d562c4d2f3e6 might have taken this from somewhere, cant remember. but it needs a way to deal with hazards. maybe some type rebalancing.

[cloud gull]

I'll be honest my man that team is trash , nothing has synergy , there is no speed control , the sets are bad , the team dosent even know what it wants to be

I would recommend using samples

[willow flume]

ive been presented with the samples already

[willow flume]

^

[cloud gull]

I can't really fix that team, u want something other than samples?

[willow flume]

corrections to the team listed above would be nice

[cloud gull]

oh this is not a team issue it's a skill issue , I mean this in the most respectful way , u learn those things as u keep playing the game

[willow flume]

everything is a skill issue

im well and fuckin aware

[cloud gull]

as I said I would have to change the whole team which I don't think would be ideal

if u want I can give u another team

but thats the most I can do

u can signup as tutee in b101 forums if u want to be taught mons

[cloud gull]

what are u having troubles with , it looks pretty standard so should be good

oh go lefties and tera fly on gambit

[willow flume]

that looks like a tourny or competition or something. i would rather face a steamroller

[cloud gull]

Tera fairy is not good on non fairy blast gambits , esp when rilla is around too

[cloud gull]

it's a teaching forums , if u signup people will be willing to teach u mons , it's not a tourney or competetion

[cloud gull]

rip ur Outta luck

[willow flume]

bet ill get taught a lot, class was fuckin canceled

[upper maple]

Alright

[upper maple]

Btw i think psyshock val might be a problem for this

[cloud gull]

nah not really , toxapex amoongus both live one psyshock and can toxic/haze back u can also pivot into gambit on psyshock then revenge , not a lot of cm val use fighting move

[upper maple]

Hm alright

[cloud gull]

U also have zapdos

Pex is also tera steel , u should be fine

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/a4118afdb98a9b28

So this

[cloud gull]

yea

oh wait why does ur zapdos have so much spdef , imo make it 301 speed (stat) to outspeed tusk

@upper maple

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/5d93c29184619628

[cloud gull]

yup

[alpine verge]

What do you guys think ?
(Pretty much a pure gen 4 only mon)
https://pokepast.es/3abd6de70a2ee22b

[cloud gull]

unviable , gets 6-0ed by pretty much every relevant mon

[alpine verge]

Really ?

I've been winning a lot using it

Idrk how to check a specific team's wr tho

[cloud gull]

that's cool , but I would still say the team is not good

[cloud gull]

idt there's a way to do it

[alpine verge]

I see

[alpine verge]

Just a tid bit, drifblim survives a knock off from iron val

So on the same turn it can ruin val by stregth sap

[cloud gull]

that's cool but u don't even beat it 1v1

[alpine verge]

Yeh

It's a way to force the opponent out

Take that drive out yk

Once they get repetitive

You can read them and switch in a suitable mon

Like hippowdon or empoleon

and just whirlwind away

Making them die to gallade next time around

If not, staraptor would quick attack and he does so much damage

But if the stars aligned

Can I post a replay example here ?

[upper maple]

But are you going to last until that point

Plus they can just switch it up

[alpine verge]

Yes

[alpine verge]

Naw

Any other moves wouldn't do as much damage to drifblim

Because drifblim can just strength sap

To heal back yp

And even with a 1.5 on val with knock off

[upper maple]

Also crazy how drifblim will take a lot of damage by just switching in

[alpine verge]

He still lives

[upper maple]

Because of rocks

And it's your only hazard removal

[alpine verge]

I mean

If the opponent is setting up

I'd usually switch in torterra to set up as well

[upper maple]

Set up as in what

[alpine verge]

and the hazard setters wouldn't be able to answer

Shell smash

and by the time they finish setting hazards

If they're not dead yet

My torterra would be sweeping through the whole team

I have like

Somewhat of an example of that

It's not a 1:1 of rocks and stuff, but it's a hazard setter toxapex from the looks of it

[upper maple]

Did the pex continue setting up tspikes when the torterra was shell smashing?

[alpine verge]

Sorta

When the tox came in

Torterra already got a shell smash

and then he toxic'd

Which I read and got another shell smash

and then he baneful'd

Which I read and smashed again

Proceeds to wipe his team

[upper maple]

Why is the pex coming in on torterra tho

[alpine verge]

Idk tbh

[upper maple]

When it already used shell smash

[alpine verge]

It went in on the same turn it shell smash

Idk why he switched in the first place ngl

[upper maple]

Either way that just seems like a bad play by the opponent

[alpine verge]

He had

An iron moth and an iron valiant

Which I managed to whirlwind'd Iirc

Oh, nvm

He removed the drives himself because I used the appropriate walls

Somewhat

Val got walled by drifblim

and iron moth got walled by empoleon

[alpine verge]

This is probably because he didn't have swords dance

So me strength sapping him ruined his val

[alpine verge]

While for this, probably because he feared a hydro pump

Which would kill his iron moth

[alpine verge]

Which, funnily enough, is probably half of vals

Because I see quite a lot of vals go all out without sd

[willow flume]

Got one for gen5?

[alpine verge]

Sure

[sly mauve]

imma just repost this
https://pokepast.es/d082e85e96c79e62

[alpine verge]

Not bad tbh

Altho I do feel like it looses out against other walking wakes

And chople may be better

For gambit

[merry lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/14c54b38e75bfbdb

this team has been working for me so far but ofc it can be improved

[alpine verge]

I feel like it dies to val very easily

Play rough on 2, psycho cut on 2, and just brute force on the rest

[upper maple]

No one uses psycho cut val

[alpine verge]

Me

It's really nice to hit poisons

Especially since play rough can't

and your other stab also can't

So for me personally

It's dumb to not bring in psycho cut to handle poisons

[merry lagoon]

ill try that

thanks

[alpine verge]

No I mean

You have an iron valiant problem

So you would want to switch a mon out to handle it

[merry lagoon]

oh which one should i change then

[alpine verge]

Actually

Now that I'm looking at it

You can just terra moltress and wilowisp it

So you're fine I suppose

As long as you haven't terra yet

[merry lagoon]

damn im surprised

i thought the team was gonna be ass

thanks for the feedback

[alpine verge]

What's your name btw in showdown ?

Probably best to try to test the damage first

Just to be safe

[merry lagoon]

qilbyy

[alpine verge]

Sending a challenge

[merry lagoon]

bet

[alpine verge]

You're fine actually

lol

[merry lagoon]

lessgo

thx man

[alpine verge]

Np

That moltress would probably force a switch

[upper maple]

No ground type

[alpine verge]

What's with ground type ?

Electric immunity ?

[upper maple]

Yes

[random wolf]

How do you play into Ghold?

You can remove hazards on it but nothing can reliably switch in from what it seems

[merry lagoon]

i normaly rely on hoopa

[alpine verge]

Hoopa I'd say

[random wolf]

Doesn't seem like it can take a lot

[alpine verge]

He can probably change the terra to resist a shadow ball

Oh

Why not just use hyperspace instead of knock off ?

Seems like a better alt if you're going in on damage

[merry lagoon]

right

wb the ground type thingy

[upper maple]

You're fine against ghold

[alpine verge]

Ground type is fine tbh

I don't think electric is that much of a problem

Weavile handles the 2 flying electrics just fine

[random wolf]

Okay it can take it fine
Maybe concern for hazards because I'm not confident in weezing but doesn't seem dire
Prob wait until one of the raters show up

[upper maple]

You have an electric weak mon and 2 mons that'll be weak to electric after tera tho

[alpine verge]

I feel like

Not really a problem

Unless it's a scarfed thundurus

[merry lagoon]

i was thinking bout switching weezing w tusk but that would just add another problem against valiant

[upper maple]

Also there are mons that commonly run electric coverage

[alpine verge]

True

Weezing ?

[merry lagoon]

mainly cuz hazards

weezing and tusk are the only mons that can somewhat remove hazards

but idk

[upper maple]

I'd say wait until one of the raters show up tbh

They might not tho so who knows

[alpine verge]

Nah

It's fine I'd say

If a val switches in, just go moltress tbh

[merry lagoon]

shi

[alpine verge]

and then the val could end up getting burned from contact

Because of flame body

[merry lagoon]

i js gotta hope i dont run against someone running thunderbolt valiant

[alpine verge]

That's such a weirdly specific set ngl

[merry lagoon]

idk ive seen lots of ppl run it

probably just me

[alpine verge]

Oh

Probably just me then

I've only seen like

A spec val once

and that's when I was watching someone else

[merry lagoon]

tbf if i use that version on val is to hit ogerpon after tera

which isnt very reliable tbh

[alpine verge]

I see

[forest magnet]

ah fun

i'll rate it soon

just have a test

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/9e83711f4388799c
This is the version after someone rated it

Just some minor changes

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

oh someone rated it alr

LOL

this is the same 6 i used

for my anti-gterrain

[cloud gull]

Free ping

[forest magnet]

This is your last warning man, I know that you are just getting into mons, and teambuilding when new is something I would NOT suggest for beginners. Also, I'll review the footage soon I just have some important things to deal with irl. Please don't be rude to our raters...

[alpine verge]

https://pokepast.es/3abd6de70a2ee22b

[forest magnet]

@cloud gull thanks for dealing with these

[alpine verge]

I wanna ask for another perspective :D

[upper maple]

Zamn

[forest magnet]

i need to study for my test i'll be back soon

[upper maple]

[alpine verge]

Alr

[forest magnet]

!!

[alpine verge]

Meta Ig

I'll address your questions if you have them

lol

[forest magnet]

@alpine verge I'm sorry but just looking at this is a samples moment

this ain't gen 4!!

[alpine verge]

Ik

Gen 4 mons for gen 9 ou

Basically

[forest magnet]

this is SV OU rates

[alpine verge]

So basically

lol

It's an SV team

Based on what pokemons comes out in 4

or is this only gen 9 only and I got that confused ?

[forest magnet]

yes

well

gen 9 ou

so anything that is legal in ou

but sorry we don't deal with theme teams, they have little to no viability

[alpine verge]

I see

Alr then

[forest magnet]

sorry

[alpine verge]

Yeah I mean

You're like

The fourth person Iiec to say it's bad

But I'm using it anyways because it works

Probably shouldn't be bothering you anymore

Goodluck

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/0e9cf3423eaaefc1

This prolly a mid sun team

Cuz i have never built sun in SV OU

[cloud gull]

Replace corv with another abuser

Also u have no speed control , ur wake is +spa , tusk is +atk too

[merry lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/952903b3277c41f1

leaving this here to see if a mod sees it

[upper maple]

What are some good abusers

I'll change wake to +spe

[upper maple]

Should i add ace or smth

Also do i not need a contact punisher? Cuz bonnet is 4x weak to u-turn

[cloud gull]

Need spin on tusk

[torpid cypress]

https://pokepast.es/2fd056f78a1e681a tried to make a team around volcanion anything I need to change?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

If you want to use a strong Water type Special attacker, I would strongly suggest building around Walking Wake instead of Volcanion. Its much faster so its able to break past more things (like Great-Tusk instead of being forced out). And has better attacking options like Draco, Knock-Off and Flip Turn.

[forest magnet]

I am not!!

but i'll do this

[sly mauve]

you sure?

[sly mauve]

repost again

https://pokepast.es/d082e85e96c79e62

[sly mauve]

this is a balanced team btw

[alpine verge]

https://pokepast.es/cfbd44c5f2bfd279

[fierce basin]

If you run a suicide lead like ribombee there's no point running defensive oriented mons like pex and dirge, they just give up momentum and allow your opponent the free turns to remove the hazards you dedicated your lead mon for. Webs teams are generally the lead and then 5 mons that abuse webs. I'd recommend checking out the sample teams to see how teams are structured
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[fierce basin]

https://pokepast.es/c9b5e3e5b8a13d29 if you want to try a webs team w torterra I'd recommend this past team of the week by rggv

[alpine verge]

They're mainly there to switch in on "difficult" mons

Besides

The main point of the web here isn't necessarily to slow the opponent's mons down

But mainly as a "distraction"

You either remove the webs, or deal with the shell smashing torterra

[sly mauve]

hey, sorry if I am bugging, but can you rate my team that I linked above?

[alpine verge]

Just an opinion

But I think you have too much setup mons

Also

Chople berry for gambit

He has a 4x weakness to fighting

A brick break would kill it

Especially something like scarfed gallade or vals

I really don't think an eq is something you should be more worried about

[fierce basin]

Hey, sorry, I didn't reply to your team because I wasn't confident I would give an accurate rate or input to improve it

[sly mauve]

yeah my team kinda needs improving

[fierce basin]

Respectfully most of the time you post a team I don't know what's going on. I would play test and then if the team has issues that you think can be improved and it isn't worth scrapping, come here with the direction and it will be a little easier to rate the team, for me at least. But Maybe another rater will look at it and see something

[sly mauve]

well ig I should

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

yeah it's supposed to be balanced

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/de3203228184a3df

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/93422a34190edbbc
Should i replace Pex/Amoo for Glowking to have a better stall matchup?

https://pokepast.es/b6c26a559fe175f0
Like this

[cloud gull]

u have a standard team structure , now play around the ladder to find out what works better for u have to make these changes urself

[upper maple]

Ok

I might struggle against tera fly gambit

As long as it doesn't have low kick against my gambit

[fallow garden]

u have zap

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/6f5723a926ae3823
balanced team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

again, sorry if I am bugging.

I just need to get my team rated since I am coming back into OU

[upper maple]

No rocks

And you don't really need 3 knock off users

If you don't even have hazards

I personally would go boots on tusk since it's your hazard removal

So you don't get constantly chipped by spikes or get poisoned by tspikes every time you try and remove them

[graceful thunder]

Not an OU rater (so take what im saying w a grain of salt) but this feels extremely directionless and slapony

like you just picked 6 mons from the smogdex and slotted them on to a team and thought that would work

as said by @upper maple i do think having no hazards is extremely bad and 3 knock off users is overkill

although boots are fine

however i really recommend not spamming so many teams here

youve posted 3 in the past 2 days and they have the same issues w them

[sly mauve]

yeahhh to tell the truth, all of my past teams were just 6 mons from the smogdex just slapped together on a team

I just.. suck at team making

[alpine verge]

You should try making a team around a pokemon

[sly mauve]

no I really need to look into "Team building for dummies"

[alpine verge]

It's much more of a solid structure than proper team build Iirc

[sly mauve]

actually, I am gonna try to make a team real quick, without using smogdex

[alpine verge]

Good idea

[sly mauve]

okay, here is prolly the first team I made without the use of smogdex
https://pokepast.es/cd911c61fda4160b

[upper maple]

Did you have an archetype in mind to build around?

Cuz thinking about what archetype you want the team to be is pretty important

Also you have no ground

And you have no contact punisher so change zap to static

[alpine verge]

Ig hyper offense ?

But like

These mons feel like solo acts ngl

[upper maple]

This is not at all HO

[alpine verge]

I see

[sly mauve]

oh crap I forgot that

[sly mauve]

I am thinking of a balanced team

[upper maple]

Well you haven't built balance

[sly mauve]

hold on

[upper maple]

Ok

[sly mauve]

okay, here is take 2
https://pokepast.es/ba00950ccad7b3d0

[alpine verge]

Maybe change headlong to ice spinner

On tusk

[upper maple]

Nah don't

[upper maple]

From first glance
Change Zap to have more hp to be good at it's job of being a contact punisher. Run Ice Spinner on Tusk over Knock Off since you already have IVal.

Use the defensive sample zap set ig

You can change the def on that to spdef if you wanted to

However take this with a grain of salt as im not an official rater

[sly mauve]

okay, last time imma send for the moment, HO might be the easiest team for me to build
https://pokepast.es/c569b3ea983f3efb

[sly mauve]

yeah if I gotta repeat this, making teams is hard, and I keep forgetting what makes a team good

I really need the "Smogon team making for dummies" if there is one

[upper maple]

Want me to send you a checklist i made in dms

It's probably not complete but it has some important stuff

[sly mauve]

sure why not

[upper maple]

Sent

[smoky folio]

https://pokepast.es/24dbb2ac5499a58a

what to improve? first time trying more defensive things, i always do HO

[upper maple]

This is HO but bulkier

[smoky folio]

oh lol

[smoky folio]

is it "viable" for the least

[upper maple]

I guess

I don't use screens with bulkier pokemon much

[smoky folio]

ah

[forest magnet]

If you suck at making teams, you need to play more in order to effectily teambuild.

Please come informed when you make a team, not just random stuff that you slapped together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_OW8caBoMk

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/450f0d049c67b47f - back with another, suggestions are very welcome ;]

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

You don’t need two choiced mons and frankly pult is better than horoark in every way

[stable hatch]

Whats the channel to theory craft an indigo disk team?

[real willow]

There is none

I guess #archive-indigo-disk-spoilers maybe?

[cloud gull]

idt zoroark is as effective with pult coz they bait in mostly similiar things , also in general zoroark is kind of mid aswell , something u can try here is enamorus t> zoroark

gives u extra speed control , still is hard hitting aswell

[cloud gull]

both scarf / specs work

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/105aef148be55765

[willow flume]

https://pokepast.es/70bdb2e8c8ab2237

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[willow flume]

I imagine its mostly the moves and specifics that will need tweaking with this, kinda just stole a bunch of smogon sets for each

[quick bluff]

bump :)

[forest magnet]

@spiral fable

was lurking here too lol

[spiral fable]

im taking veil

[forest magnet]

which one ur taking

oh alr

[spiral fable]

So screens in general is struggling rn, but this team doesn't really work
Hamurott is a very bad pick on screens teams, as there's far better offensive mons
You don't need specs mons on ho, much less horoark which is bad in general
You would much rather prefer booster moth instead of boots
I would recommend simply running a sample: veil is very hard to pull off right now, and @forest magnet has a good webs team you can try here
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-updated-for-sneasler-ban-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

[willow flume]

ok, so if im replacing atails, does rihombee work there as an open instead?

and what item to replace specs on horo?

[alpine verge]

Horo ?

[willow flume]

horoark

[alpine verge]

Oh

Ig you can use heavy duty

[spiral fable]

Honestly drop it

If you REALLY want to use it I would run a lo nasty plot set but I don’t recommend it

[willow flume]

Low offense?

[lethal surge]

I need help in building a team with zemazenta

https://pokepast.es/3cd7ac53d87834c5

I wanted to see if I needed some changes with this team, and searching for a specific build I could use

[alpine verge]

Just an opinion, but maybe switch ogerpon for enamorous ?

Because if you want to focus on zama

It'll be a good idea to have a mon that covers zama's "weaknesses"

Ability: Contrary  
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Tera Blast  
- Psychic  
- Sludge Bomb  
- Moonblast```

Tera is to deal with flying and bug

While psychic for poison

Oh wait

And sludge to deal with fairies

[nocturne dagger]

?

earth power is the most important coverage for enamorus

bug is not a type you have to build around offensively

[alpine verge]

It's mainly to cover zama's

Not as like

Enamorous itself

[nocturne dagger]

ok well

zama is bad against ghold

[alpine verge]

Crunch

[nocturne dagger]

non stab crunch hits like a paper towel

[alpine verge]

Nah

It's still super effective

[nocturne dagger]

it doesn’t 2hko defensive ghold

and it’s a roll for offensive ghold

[alpine verge]

It's a 2hko for offensive

Which is usually the ghol that exists

[nocturne dagger]

oh i didn’t see the zama set had max attack

still

[stable hatch]

What else could i add for this web HO?

https://pokepast.es/4170f891ecde5c65

[nocturne dagger]

https://pokepast.es/1d6f41f38461e846

its basically this sample id just go all the way

[stable hatch]

What does Iron Valiant bring?

Is it a 2nd sweeper

[nocturne dagger]

speed

and some "defensive" utility with dbond

you could probably change it to encore but i didnt make the team maybe dbond is important

[stable hatch]

I have seen some weird IV sets

Is it possible to theory craft a blaziken team for SV ou or is early to assume?

[stable hatch]

Cuz i was thinking Blaziken grassy seed with rilla

Or some HO team

[forest magnet]

to early

new tms, new mons etc..

• tera is hard 2 think about

also there might be stuff dropping for ubers, but we don't know yet..

[brisk cedar]

There could also be mons that get huge buffs, both mons already in the game and mons not in the game yet

[stable hatch]

Alright sounds good. Im just going to do some testing and see what can work with blaziken and rilla

[forest magnet]

why tho

oh tera flying acro

my bad

[stable hatch]

Because i have nothing better to do and also that

[forest magnet]

• speed boost etc...

sorry

[stable hatch]

All good lol

Yeah idk what else to pair

Maybe a dengo

[willow flume]

https://pokepast.es/3820493ac62e43d6

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

that teams all over the place sash zoroark is bad , pawmot is bad , u have 0 fire power , random ass corv

try samples

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[real willow]

to put vk's response another way

what is the goal behind this team?

for instance, what informed your decision to use pawmot?

and hisuian zoroark

[willow flume]

i just want to use hisuian zoro, i think the mind games have potential.

paw was kinda a "this sounds useful" and tossed it in

[real willow]

I see

so currently horo is in ru

while that isn't entirely an indicator that it will be unviable in ou

(after all if it's not ou, all that it tells us is that it doesn't have the usage of an ou pokemon)

it is also an indicator that horoark, if you want to use it, will require significant support to make work

does that make sense?

I'm looking at an rmt that has shown that horoark can be successful in ou

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/hisuian-zoroark-lokix-bulky-offense-yes-this-is-an-ou-team-peaked-at-1821.3730993/

[willow flume]

it does, sorry. got distracted

[real willow]

now, the team has both gliscor and sneasler, both of which are banned

but we can take some ideas from this team and maybe reincorporate it into a new team

[willow flume]

if you are down to walk me through creation sure

[real willow]

alright

the first thing that I noticed

[willow flume]

and fair warning. i will look for any excuse to squeze h-sam onto the team

[real willow]

is that every single pokemon on this team has u-turn

[real willow]

why hisuian samurott?

[willow flume]

personal bias

[real willow]

I see

well the first consideration is what the author writes about horoark itself

[willow flume]

the whole "build around a support mon" thing?

[real willow]

using it to lure in and damage opposing Pokemon

[willow flume]

ah

[real willow]

it seems as though they had horo + corviknight as a tactic to clear the field of hazards

in order to enable a stealth rock-weak wallbreaker

[willow flume]

ok

[real willow]

we can start with these two

and then pick our wallbreaker

[willow flume]

what makes a wallbreaker?

[real willow]

strength pretty much

like what can do big damage to the opponent

[willow flume]

no tricks?

[real willow]

what do you mean by tricks?

[willow flume]

wack moves, particular abilities, STAB with something weird, capabilities, things like that

[real willow]

I don't quite follow

does "wack moves" entail moves like taunt and encore?

[willow flume]

or things with unique effects. yeah

[real willow]

I see

so there is a distinguishment between a stallbreaker and a wallbreaker

a wallbreaker uses its sheer strength to break apart defensive Pokemon

whereas a stallbreaker uses moves like Taunt or Encore to remove the options of defensive Pokemon so that they can be beaten

[willow flume]

ok, gotcha

so things like tusk or the zaza

[brisk cedar]

They kinda blend in together sometimes though

Tornadus Therian uses Knock Off, more of a stallbreaking tool, to amplify its wallbreaking capabilities for example

Thundurus*

[real willow]

yeah

choice band great tusk was one of my favorite wallbreakers before the dlc dropped

[willow flume]

so, horo, corvi, [wallbreaker], what next?

[real willow]

there are a couple of considerations we want to make for this team

we want speed control, and we want a stealth rock setter

[willow flume]

speed control, just be faster. no?

[real willow]

yes

and ideally something that can act as a specially defensive pokemon if we want to keep corviknight as a physically defensive pokemon

[willow flume]

so speed applying to one mon, as the only global speed effect im aware of is tailwind

or de facto sticky web if they cant clear it

[real willow]

there are a couple other ways to make your pokemon faster

the first is a choice scarf

the original team had a choice scarf sneasler, for instance

the other is with booster energy

[willow flume]

is there a minimum target speed?

or just, [common threat spd]+?

[real willow]

it's typically best to save speed control at the end

we can figure out what we need our speed control to cover for

[willow flume]

gotcha

so horo, corvi, [SR], x, x, [Speed control]

[real willow]

that's a good framework for our team

let's revisit our wallbreaker idea

I won't lie, I don't know what Pokemon are good wallbreakers in OU

[willow flume]

fair enough

[real willow]

so what I'm gonna do

is go to the ou role compendium

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-role-compendium.3713852/

and wow we have a lot of options for physical wallbreakers

[willow flume]

and given my warning

you know what im looking at already lol

though there is a divider. what does that denote here?

[real willow]

"Niche Pokemon that are C+ or less will now be separated by |"

[willow flume]

ah, missed that

[real willow]

ok, looking at hamurott's dex page

the best set it has to wallbreak with is swords dance

[willow flume]

gotcha

mystic water or HDB?

[real willow]

I'd go mystic water

the whole point of corvi + horo is to lure gholdengo so you can get defog off

[willow flume]

gotcha

[real willow]

ok

[willow flume]

so the updated list is horo, corvi, [SR], hamu {swords dance}, x, [Speed control]

[real willow]

currently your team doesn't appreciate electric types

[willow flume]

a check to common electric threats or find a ground type?

[real willow]

that's what I'm thinking

landorus-therian fits a similar role to what gliscor on the original team did

[willow flume]

i remember that thing being everywhere in that pokemon: dream (something) spinoff on the 3ds lol

[real willow]

dream radar

[willow flume]

dream radar! thats what it was.

there is a T-land with SRs

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Grass Knot

[real willow]

I do think that this set isn't quite what this team needs

I'm thinking about giving Lando-T specially defensive so that it can handle some special attackers

alternatively

we can use this lando-t set

but we make corviknight specially defensive instead

[willow flume]

what gives you that thought?

[real willow]

the reason I figured this was because if we have this landorus-t set and this corviknight set

we will have two pokemon invested in physical defense

but we will have given little consideration for special attackers

[willow flume]

ok, so stacking phys defense

gotcha

[real willow]

yeah

[willow flume]

so finally a speed controller and the terra types

[real willow]

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 SpD / 16 Spe
Careful Nature

• Earthquake
• Defog
• U-turn
• Toxic
  we can try and adapt this ss ou set to our team

we're going to be using stealth rock and either grass knot or smack down on it

I'm gonna stick with smack down for now

[willow flume]

on what? the speed controller?

or corvi

[real willow]

on landorus therian

[willow flume]

oh, i misread what you said lol

ok, so if we are doing that then what moves get the axe and why?

[real willow]

we are axing defog and toxic, because lando-t doesn't learn them in sv

[willow flume]

oh, fair enough lol

[real willow]

now one of the issues with the team as it is

is that we're not super secure against water-types

sure, we have hisuian samurott

but it's also not good as our only water-resist

[willow flume]

so we need grass or dragon as a speed controler... or just tera

[real willow]

Ability: Intimidate  
Tera Type: Grass  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD  
Careful Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- Earthquake  
- U-turn  
- Smack Down```

this is the lando-t set I have right now

I was hesitant to go tera water because it makes our team extra weak to electric when lando teras

looking at the original team

the ogerpon-wellspring set looks pretty decent to me

[willow flume]

for speed control?

[real willow]

no

[real willow]

if we look back to this

lando-t is our stealth rocker

and hamu is our first x

waterpon can be our second x

[willow flume]

horo, corvi, lando-t, hamu {swords dance}, x, [Speed control]

ok

[real willow]

looking back at the set compendium

in terms of choice scarfers, I think we should pick a fairy type so that we have a resist to kingambit's sucker punch

or rather

a second resist

I think iron valiant is just fine here

[willow flume]

if i understand this correctly, the further left the better no?

so why IV over amoureous (?)?

[real willow]

I think that they're just sorted alphabetically

[willow flume]

oh

[real willow]

I chose iron valiant because it's better against opposing stall teams