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[spiral fable]

you can keep tusk defensive if you want i just think your team could use some more offense

[upper maple]

Cm val?

[spiral fable]

yeah

could also be mixed if you think you cant get set up opportunities

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/2c9ee37d896c91bc

[spiral fable]

i like rocks over knock but up to you

[upper maple]

I could go rocks over spikes on scor

[spiral fable]

nah spikes scor is best

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/17f8a151ef63412a

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/ee01f6aba5362443

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/780f4c489cf07531
my first showdown team I made without fooling around

[high pier]

Who invited a-nintales

Mf think shes on the team

[slender prairie]

https://pokepast.es/3f1afa57081fad55 who should i put to finish this off

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[slender prairie]

i was thinking specs pult

[fierce basin]

hi, this team doesn't make sense. You have veil and then dozo x blissey. Generally when you run veil you have as many mons as possible that take advantage of it, but nothing on this team even sets up except for curse dozo. I would recommend checking out sample teams to start out with, when you play with them you should start realizing why certain mons pair with others. glhf https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[devout barn]

how does this sample team work? https://pokepast.es/2039eb0f092a7116

[spiral fable]

This is not the channel to ask that, ask #comp-general

[spiral fable]

We only rate finished teams

[slender prairie]

oh ok ok sorry about that

[spiral fable]

Run phys def utility tusk with rocks spinner spin and eq, run flip turn over pulse on wake, run spikes instead of rocks on gliscor, gambit over dnite, special val over zapdos, and run nasty plot gholdengo with air balloon

[austere field]

Tinkaton BO, any good? https://pokepast.es/276cda0d3f5fe7ab

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[velvet path]

ok

wait cm or 4 attacks

[spiral fable]

Both work up to you

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/2e9bc35f2bf27b7b if roaring moon gets banned, what should I replace it with on this team? should I change any spreads or moves on my other Pokemon if it does get the boot?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

its really irraplacable on this team, nothing can match its firepower + traits

I would scrap the whole team as its outdated if it gets banned

[elder forge]

god dammit

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/513d65f6a4f49d1e

[elder forge]

does sun literally go from legit to unusable if it gets the hammer

[upper maple]

[elder forge]

while hyper offense continues to thrash around the meta

[forest magnet]

i mean we can get kingambit on this team, but like the whole team would have to change

[elder forge]

ooh alright

[forest magnet]

Breloom isn't in the best of spots right now, many things that are very common do good against it (eg Zapdos and Iron Val) I would suggest just swapping it for Ogerpon Wellspring

[upper maple]

Zamn

[forest magnet]

waitt i mean ogerpon teal could work

[upper maple]

How so

[forest magnet]

speed boost + band

lots of power

*speed boost if tera

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/43231010d1c29346

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/9089c97fb30d441f Swapped Breloom for Ogerpon-Teal, its a much better breaker rn with its higher speed tier + coverage as well as pivoting. swapped ur slowking galar set around to make it more of a mixed wall, made great tusk a fast support set and made zapdos max def + sub to help with gliscor.

[upper maple]

Ok

[upper maple]

Sub?

[forest magnet]

oh, it helps with gliscor as this team is pretty weak to it

*blocks toxic

[upper maple]

What do i replace for sub also imma change knock on tusk to rocks

[forest magnet]

• gliscor is forced to switch out into another mon so you get free chip

[upper maple]

[forest magnet]

don't it helps vs gliscor

[forest magnet]

sure

[upper maple]

No I mean the pokepaste doesn't show sub

[forest magnet]

oof my bad

[upper maple]

What would i replace for it

Heat wave?

Prob

https://pokepast.es/59b491438115c00d

[forest magnet]

yes

*yes on heat wave

[sly mauve]

ah i see thx

[sly mauve]

is this a better team https://pokepast.es/578202c05ae3b7ca

[upper maple]

Matte am i able to change the glowking set?

Or should i keep it

[cobalt flume]

https://pokepast.es/57a238552bc5bd34

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

This looks like a vgc/doubles team, are you sure this is built for singles?

[cobalt flume]

Is there a doubles?

[spiral fable]

Yes

[cobalt flume]

Wait, so what's it called?

[spiral fable]

Vgc or doubles ou, there’s two seperate formats

[cobalt flume]

Oh, ok thanks

[forest magnet]

keep it

[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/5437fd348db6a568

I made a few changes and Im back! I hope its better now

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Didn't I already rate this team?

[delicate pike]

A similar one

[spiral fable]

lemme just get this for reference

[delicate pike]

But i did the changes you asked and modified the gliscor a bit

Oh and also the big hoopa in the back

[spiral fable]

Drop pex for phys def tusk, run the spikes set on gliscor like i told you last time and swap it to spdef, attack booster energy for moon, and once again specs wake/pult instead of hoopa, also drop enam for special val

[delicate pike]

I understand. I do need to ask you: why the change of ideas? Has the meta changed?

Not to be disrespectful! Im just looking to understand the way you're thinking

I find that spdef pex takes in specs Draco Meteor like nothing, while able to handle some reasonable physical attacks. Ice Beam isnt doing much, but Im not sure what to swap it out for. I tried spedef gliscor, it doesnt seem to do much. Hoopa breaks anything. I dont know how good of a reason that is to keep it in, but it breaks through almost anything, and opens up way for moon to sweep. Scarf special val, right?

Tysm for your time, meanwhile!!

I apologize for my ignorance

[spiral fable]

SPdef pex is too passive + you need hazard removal and rocks

[spiral fable]

hoopa breaks anything sure but it also gets broken by anything and you would rather have a faster specs pivot that can still output similar amounts of damage while not getting folded by a single move

Not scarf special val, boster val with a special set

Spdef gliscor is really just to cover your bases, alternatively if you want to drop the spikes you could run gking

[forest magnet]

SpD pex only really fits on fatter teams, its too passive (gambit, gholdengo gets a free switchin all the time)

[delicate pike]

Oooh okok

Understood

[lilac fossil]

https://pokepast.es/050b66fe04629b52

[thin ether]

https://pokepast.es/e60bb25feb903252 i dont really teambuild too well but this one really been working for me against my friends

i should make it less susceptible to hazards tho

also quaquaval is the only mon that really takes advantage of veil, so i should switch weavile to sd i feel

[high pier]

I feel like there better mons then quaquaval that benefit from veil

[lilac fossil]

goodra in ou is certainly a choice

[spiral fable]

This team doesn't work: Only one of the 6 mons on your team are actually OU, only three of your 5 veil setters actually use veil and there are better mons in the tier that appreciate veil more. I would recommend using a sample team and getting a grasp of the meta first, you can find the link here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

@thin ether

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/d442d25f784d4131

Hyperlink fail

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk cedar]

Gave you a sample with 4 of the same mons

[thin ether]

thank you brotherman

I'm still new to the whole teambuilding thing

the main reason I used goodra is cus I saw it gets a bunch of good utility moves and wanted to use it for that

cus toxic/scald/knock off is very appealing to me

also I just love the gooey boy

is there an OU team I could use with goodra? I'm not adamant on it but I'd like to try and make it work

goodra and quaquaval are a couple of my fav mons rn so if there's a lower tier where I could try using them I wouldn't mind at all

[spiral fable]

best bet is uu

[thin ether]

sounds good to me

could you be of assistance there?

[spiral fable]

no sorry

dont play uu

[thin ether]

completely understandable

[forest magnet]

Your team looks pretty similar to this team: https://pokepast.es/4fe3c60c53cccec3 Not saying you copied it or anything, I suggest using this as a better alternative. It takes advantage of Weavile's strong traits like speed so it can be used as a good revenge killer.

[versed flume]

Thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/faa8d79741b9544c

[ruby crest]

Honestly a samples moment there’s a lot of different mons that honestly don’t work together like there’s webs and then there’s a dozo which generally doesn’t fit in webs and no real abusers for webs as well

[brisk cedar]

Yeah

The pace is just fucked up with a passive ass dozo and gliscor, nothing abuses webs, gliscor has no spikes, you have a scarf ghold on webs for some reason

Tera types also bad

[versed flume]

So, I like Dozo and Gliscor obviously, what recommendations would you provide that way?

[spiral fable]

Stall

https://pokepast.es/47269c56e2af2991

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/ae7151215267dd35 with the recent ban to Moon, I think this is the best I'll get with Sun now

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder forge]

could opt out of Kowtow Cleave for Iron Head maybe

[forest magnet]

This is just a copy of vert sun

[elder forge]

ah

what do I do

[forest magnet]

cmon don't just copy teams then expect us to rate them.

don't post copied teams please, thanks.

[elder forge]

i apologize for wasting your time

[shell stag]

I'm trying to adapt my suspect test team for the new meta after RM got banned.

Roaring Moon version: https://pokepast.es/feb2c99e310950df
(Zen headbutt is an amoonguss tech)

Sneasler version: https://pokepast.es/c1d809f4f323fca7

[forest magnet]

ayo just get rid of the images, makes it easier to navigate this channel

[shell stag]

I'm trying to replicate RM's power through Sneasler. Grass seed makes up for the lack in bulk but it forced me to use Rillaboom over Ogerpon to activate it

[forest magnet]

thx

[shell stag]

The feel of the team is to play a HO with Ceruledge as the featured ||not-||shitmon

[forest magnet]

u want me to look at both vers?

or the snealer one

[shell stag]

Since i have a good speed tier i decided for Glim as the hazard lead

[shell stag]

RM is currenty banned, it's just a reference frame

[forest magnet]

no need to explain, all good.

[shell stag]

bc i suspected with that team and had a fantastic feel for it

[forest magnet]

cool, I'm looking at moon team vs the sneasler ver

I would suggest to stick to one playstyle

so just hazards or gterrain

not mix them bc you aren't fully dedicated meaning the team is weaker overall

[shell stag]

the only mon that needs terrain is Sneasler

it's not a full grassy terrain team, no?

[forest magnet]

yeah, thats what i mean by sticking to one playstyle. if you use gterrain you wanna stick to that. (means that ur entire team FULLY abuses gterrain)

[shell stag]

Let's say that the team rn is:
Ceruledge (Sash), Kingambit and Valiant (Mixed)

i want to have the same feel as the original Roaring Moon version

[forest magnet]

ah alr

[shell stag]

how should i complete the team

im kind of looking to a powerful sweeper that does something similar to RM and maybe adjust things around that so they synergyze

[forest magnet]

sure, i'll make some changes

then explain them 2 u

[forest magnet]

oh man showdown isn't working

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/1b4fcde56b104432 I swapped Moon for D-Nite It works as a Roaring Moon. It may be a bit slower, but with multiscale it gets a turn to setup. Also swapped taunt on val for dbond. sd over zen headbutt as that tech isn't as consistent as sd (if u see amoongus just save glimm and tank sleep with that, and setup with kingambit on amoong. Also swapped tera steel on val for steel resist + fairy resist, helps with opposing val.

[shell stag]

Val was ghost

Oh. I gocha

How does Dragonite's damage output compare to Roaring Moon's?

[forest magnet]

5 pts diff

• atk booster

so at a dd ur 0.7 of moon

but 2 dd is above moon

multiscale helps w setting up

[shell stag]

Base power ok moves also plays a roll

Acro is 110 and Knock is 100

[forest magnet]

ye true

but 2dd is 1.7x stronger than moon

[shell stag]

I mean

2 dd is a hard price

[versed flume]

Can I get a good webs team recommendation

[cloud blade]

Multiscale+Priority+real set variety (band, dd w/roost/eq/ice spinner, occasional special attacker, dunno if thats even viable anymore tho) thats the selling point of dnite (when in comparison to roaring moon of course)

[forest magnet]

its mutliscale + tera

2 turns

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/d442d25f784d4131

Provided a sample team. Enjoy!

[versed flume]

ty, can you explain the tera for Iron Moth? I'm getting used to Teras still since I mostly monotype

[forest magnet]

ghost on ribombee is for spinblocking (immune to rapid spin) ghost on iron moth to be immune to espeed, (this is a common source of priority), Fighting on kingambit powers up low kick and still resists dark. fairy on dengo is a strong defensive type + powers up dgleam, and ghost resists psn + others on iron val

[fierce basin]

Ghost on moth w sub also let's u wall non shadow ball blissey

[versed flume]

Ah this is all really insightful thank you

[fervent bluff]

I'm kind of slow, is blissey actually running shadow ball now 😭

[forest magnet]

yes

dengo + psyshock is ripping stall teams now

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[patent nest]

https://pokepast.es/67480487f2319061 thoughts on my hazard stack team?

[forest magnet]

what are the evs for glowking

[high pier]

504 evs on valiant

[hollow mirage]

IKickBallz (Cinderace) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Pyro Ball
• Gunk Shot
• Iron Head
• U-turn

MonkiToes (Iron Valiant) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Aura Sphere
• Thunderbolt
• Shadow Ball

IHateEarthquake (Iron Moth) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 124 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Substitute
• Fiery Dance
• Sludge Wave
• Energy Ball

Donbozo (Dondozo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Rest
• Liquidation
• Curse
• Sleep Talk

Monkey Eater (Great Tusk) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Close Combat
• Knock Off
• Earthquake

BestDesignFr (Thundurus-Therian) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunder
• Dark Pulse
• Sludge Bomb
• Volt Switch

Rate out of 10?

[novel lion]

Please use pokepaste

Idk why pokepaste makes it easier to read for me but it does

That dondozo set completely fails against a lot of water resistant pokemon and even more so against water absorb

Overall it feels fine

[real willow]

!pokepaste

[viral sable]

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[hollow mirage]

aight 1 sec

https://pokepast.es/8e50cda02e74aaf9 @novel lion

[fierce basin]

Hi, this may be a scrap this team and check out samples moment, but I'll try to help improve this one:
-since you're hazardless and not boots spam I'd run a court change on cinderace instead of banded. Doesn't have to be the bulky ace set, kept it offensive w sucker punch for pult
-Donbozo doesn't really make sense on this offense oriented team, swapped it for wellspring
-offensive tusk w helmet is honestly fine on this team now that donbozo is gone cause otherwise you have the potential to get farmed by maushold (meta threat /s)
-if you're gonna run scarf thundurus I'd make it terablast flying so you have a spammable move on it
team w changes https://pokepast.es/707e2a6e7088b8e5
potential other options:
-Booster val over specs and specs thund
-Swapping ace for a suicide lead and running h.o, you're basically there anyway
-bulky set of ace (hp over attack) with wisp over this current one
-booster tusk
glhf
and here's the sample teams if you want to check them out https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[hollow mirage]

wad

ok ill take sOme advIce

juS sOme

[last birch]

https://pokepast.es/af00b998d6d31a48 kinda weird sand team that im kinda on the fence about, wanna ask for any specific suggestions for improvements or suggestions.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[last birch]

my main issue is obv big fighting type weaknessess so any specific suggestions for that would help

[fierce basin]

Unfortunately I'd say you're correct to be on the fence about it as u should scrap
You're farmed by the most common mons in the meta (tusk/valiant etc) as well as not having any real team synergy. The only arguable sand abuser here is coalossal getting the spdef boost, but he's packing a 4x weakness anyway. Sand chip immunity isn't relevant when your team doesn't have any sort of longevity to take advantage of it. You have grassy terrain and then 3 earthquakers, if you click eq under your own terrain it's doing half damage. You're better off trying to build around grassy terrain than sand. Hope this helps, try sand again in dlc2 when we may have viable sand rush guys

[last birch]

fair enough, ty.

[hollow mirage]

ur smort

[shell stag]

@forest magnet The Dragonite variant is working way better than the fraud Sneasler one. (mainly bc sneasler is mid cheese)

[forest magnet]

glad its helping :)

[finite pollen]

https://pokepast.es/d991f349c147eb01

[tawdry violet]

any good stall teams out

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/f3c5348a27d1fb22

current stall team that most stall players use

[still stratus]

https://pokepast.es/959044c7f0a8925c
This team probably sucks lmao. Any help is appreciated! It’s basically a regenerator team with 2 niche mons stuck to it.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Are you sure you're building for the right tier? Both shed tail and blood moon are banned

[still stratus]

WHAT

Back to the drawing board… is there anywhere i can check for which mons are allowed?

[spiral fable]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[still stratus]

Thanks a lot!

[cloud blade]

attempted vol-turn
(V1) https://pokepast.es/d46b100341fa20fe - Had way too many problems, wanted to try Hawlucha cuz you can defog on ghold but the team got 6-0ed by alolan ninetales… (dont need rated just peeep the lucha set if ur interested)

(V2) https://pokepast.es/02290527f79ffa0d - I aimed to fix the alolan ninetales issue, and I made zapdos matchup against gambit better, changed a few more things to clean the team up, (please rate this one, just posted the previous one for the lucha set cuz its funny, and cool in concept)

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/32f6b5d705c1ef2b

[brisk cedar]

Why is gambit fire

If you're really that concerned about wisp just go lum

Play rough ogerpon also just 6-0s this shit

[velvet path]

how do i change it

[forest magnet]

i'll rate

[velvet path]

ty

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/d4247696bf9435e8 Pretty solid team already, I just made Kingambit Tera Fairy + Tera Blast, swapped dengo for specs gold for more speed controll as wel las fire power, and swapped manaphy for cinderace for hazard control + help vs ogerpon-wellspring. This change helps alot with it as your team really stuggled with it last time.

Hope this helps

[velvet path]

ty

[woven lava]

Second atempt at making a team on here. Bulky Offense relying on Rest Ting Lu as the main wall.https://pokepast.es/0c2fbedd35457a7c 1550 on ladder with it so far

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tiny pebble]

This is my uh, first crack at making a team. https://pokepast.es/cb61d5f9f5844bf9 I wanna see just how horribly wrong I am.

[fathom wraith]

i dont love garg on this team

[echo karma]

guys i have an unfinished team

its slacking and galarian weezing

idk what este to add

*else

[sand citrus]

https://pokepast.es/7fafaf3533869680

Can someone give me any tips to improve this team pls ?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[novel orbit]

https://pokepast.es/6c14bc5c9408d3bf Is this team good? How can I improve it?

[fierce basin]

hi, it's alright but I'd probably make the following changes:

• put EP on your glimm for opposing glimm & ghold
  -swap your valiant set to a mixed set so you have a special attacker other than iron moth on your team (you can keep encore over one of the 3 attacks if you like the option). Tera elec is to flip your flying/steel weakness and for tbolt rolls
  -make your kingambit lefties or blackglasses over lum since ace is the only wisper really, and it should probably die trying to court change your suicide hazards back
  -if you're going to run attack booster tusk over speed booster I'd prob slot in ice spinner so you aren't walled by gliscor
  paste w changes https://pokepast.es/c5ce8debb86240e5
  other options:
  -speed booster bulk up tusk
  -making your iron moth tera ghost over tera grass (tera ghost behind sub walls non shadow ball blissey)
  hope this helps glhf

[tiny pebble]

Any other feedback?

[sand citrus]

https://pokepast.es/7fafaf3533869680

Can someone give me any tips to improve this team pls ?

[shell stag]

https://pokepast.es/713ecf7edecc2140
I had the primal need that everyone has once in a while to make a Ribombee team.
I also wanted to make a team with SD-Dark Valiant.
Im trying the Gliscor-Gholdengo core to protect webs and stack spikes as well.

I played a total of 1 game with the team and it kinda worked (1700 elo). Lmk if there's anything i should change, i dont have much time to test the team to the max i would like to.

[shell stag]

I dont like boots on Sneasler there. (maybe scarf would work)
Tera Fight Tusk seems out of place
I dont think you need ting lu (you also stack ice and water weaknesses).
You could try using Val, Wellspring or Kingambo as well

or Moth if you need a special attacker

[fathom wraith]

Looks alright apart from that

[tiny pebble]

Any suggestions for replacing Garganacl?

[spiral fable]

Ii don't know why you have gliscor on a ho team, just leaves you open to spin and other hazard removal while gliscor doesn't benefit from webs at all with your set
You have trailblaze wellspring on a webs team? You don't need the extra speed, and can swap that for something like encore instead
IMO ghold would prefer psyshock in this case instead of recover, otherwise stall teams could be a big nuisance + you don't really need the recovery anyways
I don't think valiant is really the best mon here: you don't really need the speed with webs and you team would prefer a special attacker like manaphy instead

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/7d277c8e366b0b0d

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[echo karma]

https://pokepast.es/32aa84677dd7c727
hey everyone i got this team
any suggestions? Im seeing that ogerpon water is beating me alot

[fierce basin]

this channel is for SVOU and you've posted a team for gen9doublesOU

[echo karma]

?

ohh ok

[real willow]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

@echo karma

[echo karma]

hm?

[real willow]

you may want to go there

to get your doubles ou team rated

[weak verge]

https://pokepast.es/f76497336e547923

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[weak verge]

Hey y'all in trying to make a hazard stack team inspired by TSS

[forest magnet]

whats tss

also why are you even running eq garchomp with gterrain

[weak verge]

The idea is play around with gliscor, ghold, ttar, rilla until you get an opportunity to switch in gar or sneasler

Toxic Sandstorm Spikes

Cause I'm rarely going to even click EQ lol

[random wolf]

Wouldn't another ground move just be better then?

Assuming you're even keeping Garchomp, which isn't a great pokemon right now

[weak verge]

Does it get horsepower or any other unaffected by terrain?

I honestly just never thought of changing EQ because I never had to in game, even if I have to send it out during grassy, I always had to start with swords dance or scale shot, and the terrain just didn't last long enough to be an issue

Sorry for disappearing, network issues

[random wolf]

Stomping Stantrum is your next bet

Why ig chomp isn't good on Rilla teams

[weak verge]

Perhaps one thing that might be better than stomping tantrum is simply swapping terrain extender with boots?

I'm also considering swapping ttar's AV with boots, and perhaps avalanche with stealth rocks

But at the same time rocks don't really fit its role since ttar is mostly there to be a threat and force switches

[shell stag]

Thanks for the comment, after reading it i felt like i didnt think it through that much.
https://pokepast.es/f855a020f8a1030e
This is a second version where i tried a Bulk up Tusk, Kingambit and CM Enamorous over the Gliscor, The Val and the Moth.
I also adapted the Ogerpon set to fit better with webs.
Do you think that i need hazards?

Edit: Tried adapting a bit https://pokepast.es/b20afef24e9c1da9

[fierce basin]

Hi, imo you should run tera steel on your ribombee over ghost in order to block mortal spin off glimmora as some of those structures just lose if you keep webs up. Personally I also like skill swap>stun spore so you can web up on hatt and troll gliscor but I guess that's a preference thing. I'd also run booster tusk w hp invest over boots, as your team shouldn't really be letting a bunch of hazards go up, and tusk shouldn't need to come in multiple times. if you're gonna run greninja here, I'd swap grass knot for ice beam so you aren't walled by dragonite, who looks kinda spooky. On iron moth I'd make your tera ghost for another dnite "check" in espeed immunity but also so you wall non shadow ball blissey behind sub.
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/4f55156d28d4fdf1
other potential options:
kingambit over gren like you had before, or even something funny like mystic water SD samurott I think could put in work while giving you spikes if you're concerned with no hazards.
a defensive tera on tusk now that I took away your attack invest (whoops)
a bulky spread on ghold w recover 2 attacks instead of plot 3
hope this helps, glhf

[sly mauve]

Hi, could someone help me out with my team? This is what it looks like rn: https://pokepast.es/b86566bcd185abf7

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[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/20052d26b2ad58d3

[fierce basin]

Hi,
first off empoleon is pretty mid, and your team is pretty moth weak so I'm replacing it with heatran. Still spdef still rocks and still takes advantage of terrain
next, I put grassy glide on your rillaboom over drum beating as it got glide back in the most recent dlc
if you're running a terrain team you should be running sneasler, as it's probably the best terrain abuser out rn. Replaced your dragapult w sneasler
ogerpon should be sd over uturn
I don't think you'll need boots with thundurus since you have a hatt, I think you're better off with a boosting move like belt or life orb. tbh Idk if it really fits, you could probably make it a max speed low kick kingambit
gave your hatt a grassy seed
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/0c189bc3381a4703
other options:
max speed gambit w low kick over your thundurus like previously mentioned, makes your team sturdier vs opposing gambit, rn it's pretty scary (would recommend this)
tera poison dual dance manaphy over ogerpon
offensively invested heatran
hope this helps, glhf

[fierce basin]

looks fine for the most part really, I think I gave you some advice on this team in compgen2 when you were working on it. I guess the only thing would be making sneasler tera dark w the lash out so it doesnt get revenged by gambit but it isn't really necessary, or wisp on pult. Idk if I like pult but idt it's bad since hex helps with the gliscor infestation. I feel like you could go lefties on it and just keep hazards off w your hatt but if you're more comfortable w boots it once again isn't rly a necessary change. If you give a matchup you're having trouble with I can try to give better advice. Hope this helps regardless

[sly mauve]

Thanks for the help! Im gonna try it out

[shell stag]

thanks!

[fierce basin]

Np

[shell stag]

@fierce basin By any chance, do you have a cool Gliscor-Gholdengo team in your builder?

like a bulky offense or aggresive balance

[fierce basin]

Sorry Im more of a brainlet offense kind of guy but I'm sure somebody has a glisc ghold team for you

[shell stag]

absolute same lol

i barely tried gliscor so i wanted to try it a bit during the suspect to form my own opinion

since i played nuclear offense i didnt see it as a big meta issue since i just trampled over it

[modest grove]

https://pokepast.es/4f5059af867ae982

its my first team i tried to make work while sticking with my favorites, i know you arent supposed to do that but i just feel like what's the fun in pokemon if you cant use the pokemon you like

i know to someone who plays competitive this team probably looks really broken and bad but i dont really have enough knowledge or experience to spot the glaring flaws

if anything i'd like to keep gyarados

if anyone responds make sure to ping me, and dms are open

[shell stag]

Are all of them your favorites or do you mind of some of them are changed for others?

[modest grove]

i dont mind changing a few

i know its not a good idea to use them off of aesthetics and such

but i do wanna keep gyarados if there's a way to make it work well

[shell stag]

it's okay. the things is that mons like charizard, for example, are gimmicky and require specific teams like sun

[modest grove]

oh alright

[shell stag]

A lot of these mons are viable in OU (Dnite, Garchomp, Dragapult)
Maybe stacking all of them into the same team is too much though

[modest grove]

charizard is surpringly underwhelming in the grand scheme of things, i remember it single handedly demolishing everything in fire red and such (i know the mainline games are easy but still)

[modest grove]

alright

what can i do with garchomp

[shell stag]

https://pokepast.es/24848c4a51e17da7
You can try this for a generic-sun team with Charizard (after RM ban)

[shell stag]

It's most popular set uses Swords Dance, Scale shot, Earthquake and a 4th move (Iron head / Stealth rock / Tera blast). It's not amazing rn but it can work

Dragonite is really good right now with Dragon dance and tera normal extreme speed.

[modest grove]

oh alright

the tera typing stuff has made it infinitely more confusing to get into this ngl

you can have the upper hand and then they just change types because fuck you i guess

not a huge fan of the mechanic

[modest grove]

also ill try it, ty

[shell stag]

@modest grove Maybe someone can do better than me, but i thought about this comp: https://pokepast.es/a04c0ce25289670a

Ribombee sets up webs to try to help with the speed tiers for Garchomp and Gyarados to not get overwhelmed.
Ghodengo protects webs and Moth gives you some special coverage
(You could use ice spinner on Dnite too)

[modest grove]

oo ty

[tropic moon]

https://pokepast.es/cc4191a65ff8f736
How does this look?

[shell stag]

Looks fine but a bit water / ice weak. Maybe you could substitute Ting-Lu with a water type of your choice (like manaphy or other)

[tropic moon]

Would the water type preferably be offensively or defensively oriented?

[fierce basin]

Tbh I may scrap since it looks 6-0d by specs val clicking moonblast and waterpon clicking buttons. If you were to attempt to salvage this, I would recommend you need a heatran (or iron moth as it also provides speed control) over ting lu. You don't need 3 grounds. Would go dnite over tusk so you have an emergency ogrepon answer. Can't provide a paste as I'm on mobile. Hope this helps

[tropic moon]

https://pokepast.es/bcffd2dce224f298
This?

[fierce basin]

Yeah I think this looks less immediately killed by meta threats. U can go tera ghost on iron moth for espeed immunity and walling non shadow ball bliss behind sub. Idk what the dnite spread is for but it's prob fine. Generally I'd recommend ice spinner for glisc but idt it's necessary for you cause you have hatt for it. Gl gamer

[tropic moon]

Dragonite's the "Bulky Dragon Dance" set on Smogon.

[fierce basin]

Yeah I mean like I know I've seen it before I just can't say I know the uses of it and my net is too fucky to check it myself rn. If you find yourself struggling w pult you can run jolly full speed but it's probably fine as is

Lmk if u have other questions gl

[fierce basin]

If u find urself having trouble w air balloon ghold you should prob swap it to fire punch

Cause rn ur dnite can't touch it

[tropic moon]

Okay

Thanks for the advice

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/a350efcb96fc441e
Specifically was hoping for suggestions on the ghold set, couldnt settle on what I wanted, was thinking something that can 1v1/eliminate hazard removers (tusk/corv/glimm mainly)

Also the talon is great rn, it is ev’d to 1v1 (ignoring tera):
Ghold (all common sets except scarf, and max phys def with specs), ogerpon water, valiant, rillaboom, sneasler, and a couple more i forget

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/36f035540cd371aa

You can use this for inspiration

It's a popular team

Oh wait

Run spikes on gliscor

[cloud blade]

I dont like spikes gliscor, i use gliscor to stall out endgames, and any endgame with spikes on my gliscor is not optimal, it turns into a much less consistent mon overall (thats why i have hazards Lu, and i need gliscor for sub protect for max healing, toxic to wear down and force switches, knock to have a damaging move+remove items)

[brisk cedar]

Gliscor is being suspected because of it's spikes set

[cloud blade]

I found that lu in practice was able to get up just as many spikes, and a healthy gliscor had more long term defensive benefits, and was able to solidly win games, it was originally sd but i dropped sd for sub, and facade for toxic, especially with ghold to stop removal it just fit

Do you know a good mon to replace that role, i could fit over lu? That might make spikes fit better onto gliscor, with a mon replacing it as a defensive dude

[quasi holly]

why no trick on clef?

[cloud blade]

Sticky barb clef is meh now that moon is banned, but sticky barb is transferred to any mon that hits it (so post booster) with a contact move

[quasi holly]

ah ok

what set should u run on it now post moon

[cloud blade]

Depends super heavily on the team, clef has so many moves and options that you should aim to only use it when its your best option for that job on your team, especially after how much the stats have fallen off, clef just cant wall like it used to, its a great multitool utility tho

[quasi holly]

i'm using the team you sent, not good with team building so not sure what to change around

[forest magnet]

spikes is what makes it so good

it forces switches with toxic, the psns that are immune to it are hit super effectily, meaning that hazard damage racks up overtime

knock is normally with a partner or swapped for eq

[cloud blade]

Do you know a mon i could replace lu for that would fit the team? I would have spikes on gliscor but then probably remove sub, and that would leave me without a mon to stall out turns for toxic to wear them down, and i still cant figure out a good ghold set for the team, do you have any recommendations?

[forest magnet]

Again, I would really suggest using this team: https://pokepast.es/297addca543a26d9

If you insist on keeping the team, then I can make some tweaks, but the team above works really well as an alternative

[fallen shale]

https://pokepast.es/5b4e855b2193dc60

25-4
2 losses were rng

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[forest magnet]

semi stall?

[fallen shale]

yep

Stall is too effective if your opp doesnt have the autowin mons

(Luna specs pult nacl and ogerpon + ceruledge)

Not the acc i sent the paste on in case you wanted to check its ouvt the bales

[forest magnet]

ah alr

[forest magnet]

send me the losses in dms

[fallen shale]

wym

[forest magnet]

send me the losses of this team in DMS

[fallen shale]

I didnt save the replays

If thats what you mean

[forest magnet]

oh

[fallen shale]

The losses were because i played like an idiot after getting tilted

The ones that werent rng that is

[forest magnet]

doesn't matter loss is a loss

can u remember what u lost 2?

[fallen shale]

i know im not making excuses

[forest magnet]

just want to think of what is weak

[fallen shale]

tusk weavile specs pult was one core i couldnt break

[forest magnet]

oh yeah weav is tuff asf

knock off is tuff

[fallen shale]

it rly is

Another was uh

I dont remember what else sorry

[forest magnet]

all good

working on it rn...

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/cd680597c52e83b4 I mean this team is pretty good alr, I just swapped U-turn for knock on gliscor, swapped liquidation for avalanche, made kingambit low kick + tera fighting for massive breaking power (destroys dozo) and helps vs other gambit, made val tera steel and made pex baneful bunker.

[spiral fable]

I’m personally not a believer in semi stall but if this works for you, it works

[cloud blade]

@fallen shale mind if i send that team to a friend? He plays stall, and likes gambit, and i think he would enjoy it

I wont unless u say yes

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/d8960078715c8b15

[forest magnet]

are we going for grassy balance? just want to confirm so i can build according to that.

[velvet path]

yeah

[cloud blade]

@velvet path dont forget, gliscor doesnt benefit from terrain without terastylize, as glisc is flying and doesnt touch the ground, so you dont get the healing i had to learn that the hard way when i tried to make a similar team

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3b69670a5b26ce8e pretty solid, just made some minor changes to dengo, making it more defensive as you are running covert. I also made gambit Low Kick + Fighting. This team has no hazard removal, so maybe i would reccomend tusk over gliscor if needed, as this is a more defensive team meaing that games will be longer and by proxy will have more hazards up

[cloud blade]

The team @forest magnet
https://pokepast.es/5fa145e8d21d7a1d

Was considering switching the umm talon for something like this ace (idk bout tblaze that 4th move was a WIP https://pokepast.es/b422e85bb3105dd0 )

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/1434e49feeae3c13

[forest magnet]

which team?

[cloud blade]

The second pokepaste isnt a team its just a set which i was wondering if it would be better then the talon thats already on the team

[cloud blade]

Also quick note;
I see no reason to run shadow claw & tera flying, if you run shadow claw, you are running tera ghost, so you can be immune to e-speed, and get the boosted shadow claw, might as well put on dire claw and make it the default sneaslerr (or gunk shot if you wanna ohko zapdos)

[forest magnet]

wait i'm going to eat dinner. I'll deal with your rate in abt 40 mins. @spiral fable deal with hex's team please.

[spiral fable]

RAH IM CRAMMING FOR AN EXAM

[umbral adder]

take ur time theres no rush

[cloud blade]

Hope u enjoy ur food

[forest magnet]

alright, i'm back

sorry

[cloud blade]

Np!

[forest magnet]

Are you looking for HO?

just want to know what direction to build in.

[umbral adder]

more bo

usually what i like building

but i can see how u think this could be ho

[forest magnet]

sure

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/5c096b4594aea564 can someone rmt

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/a6d7959d9fd0ebe2 sorry for taking so long. This is more of a weird rate by me, but i think it can work. I made dengo more defensive for general defnsive uses, made alomaloma a general wall (invested in spd) and made tusk AV (weird part). Its a backup spa wall that pairs well w mola (ele immune) and is further supported by gterrain (healing) and wish support. also made treads tera grass for ogerpon

[fallen shale]

Sure

[shell stag]

I'm trying to build a Gliscor balance team: https://pokepast.es/95a2aed19293b4dd

[viral sable]

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[high pier]

i swear every ou team looks the same

[dark ledge]

Trick room Hattrene and great tusk core. TBH im new to teambuilding as I usually play gen9 random
https://pokepast.es/d9ee9108e0454eb6

[ionic trench]

https://pokepast.es/efa829582f21cfd5 rate?

[fallen shale]

Swapped valiant for clef

Losing to garg too much

Lets me abuse gliscor too

[fathom wraith]

ghold glisc clef

[viscid willow]

https://pokepast.es/62633f1b93f94d69

This any good?

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/5c096b4594aea564 can someone rmt?

[viral sable]

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[forest magnet]

I would suggest scrapping this team and going with a sample. This is becuase trick room isn't really viable rn, especially with how fast the metagame is paced

[west harbor]

cinderace + court change could struggle with synergy with glisc spikes. while it can own webs teams you have a good mu regardless with boots pult. i think you’d be better off with a breaker like wellspring in that slot so you’re less weak to opposing gliscor

i’d recommend tera fairy or dark on ghold over flying to give it an actual sucker resistance and better defensive typing too. if you’re worried about hazards without ace then boots is also an option but balloon is a good pick too

[forest magnet]

@west harbor hey thanks so much

i'll take navi's team

[west harbor]

specs thunder pult doesn’t really do anything and seems super unreliable, so i’d recommend running flamethrower over that for a consistent hit on every steel that isn’t heatran

your lack of a ground immunity + both tran and gambit being weak to spikes means that gliscor is a problem for you. a small change you can make is ice spinner > cc or knock on tusk to hit it for more than 10%. another option you could try is replacing valiant for wellspring - that valiant set in particular with hypnosis is a cheese set that only rly works on hyper offense where you won’t be switching around and you can fish for sleep turns, and your team is more of a bulky offense. you already have a fairy w clef and speed with pult so you can afford wellspring here. if you wanna keep valiant tho go encore over hypnosis so you can lock gliscor into protect / gambit into sucker and set up on them.

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/82647b3daf8148e4 swapped breloom for ogerpon wellspring, its much better in the offensive department as its faster, and can enable other teammes better like kingambit (doesn't struggle w gliscor/dozo). made miltoic 200 speed bc outspeeding gliscor doesn't matter, when we have our own gliscor. also swapped leftovers for boots on pult for more consistency

[thin gorge]

tysm for the rate

[final gulch]

Currently hovering around 1550. Some of it might just be due to my play.

https://pokepast.es/378d8a2bcf87711b

[sand citrus]

https://pokepast.es/de071380685c8ddd

tried to build a team, any idea for improvements ?

[spiral fable]

No hazard removal, you have hex on pult for some reason?

[final gulch]

Hex on pult is for gliscor

[spiral fable]

Banded samurott isn’t really that good considering you’re just setup fodder for a lot of mons if you click ceaseless

[final gulch]

I gave up on removing hazards

[spiral fable]

Well you can’t really do that especially with none of your mons running boots

[spiral fable]

It’s not necessary, Draco already threatens an ohko and shadow ball reliably 2hkoed anyways

And the last thing you want is gambit coming in free on pult, drop hex for flamethrower

[final gulch]

Yeah good point. I’ve had trouble with gambit

[spiral fable]

Drop hamurott for offensive utility tusk, swap rocks for spikes on gliscor,

Balloon ghold

And maybe drop dozo for a more offensive mon ie val but that’s up to you

I personally don’t think dozo fits but that’s just me

[final gulch]

dozo honestly is one of the biggest players somehow

[spiral fable]

Up to you

[final gulch]

What about this?

https://pokepast.es/8813f11b6336a01d

[spiral fable]

Balloon ghold + boots dozo maybe if tusk isn’t cutting it

And maybe slot rocks over cc on tusk but once again up to you

[final gulch]

Alright, thanks!

[wind moss]

https://pokepast.es/35163f9ef0944c44 - this is a team my friend told me to use and i wondered what you guys thought of it.

[plucky radish]

not good
trick room is bad, and youre not using a lot of pokemon that would be good in the (already bad) trick room teams

[wind moss]

but doesn't it allow me to EV's into stats that aren't speed?

[fierce basin]

Are you sure you're in the right channel? Follow me and wide guard are moves used in doubles. This is for SVOU (6V6 singles)

[wind moss]

ah sorry, i thought this was for all OU teams

[sonic siren]

Hey how’s my ou balance team? https://pokepast.es/529747d82dbe0084

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3f419530eb52d324 I swapped Gholdengo for heatran, its a better general wall in gterrain as well as solving your iron moth problem, and made tusk bulk up set that has rapid spin for utility, also swapped toxapex for sneasler, toxapex is too passive of a mon on gterrain and sneasler gives more firepower.

[sonic siren]

Alright thanks, two questions tho

How can I keep rocks and spikes up without ghold and how can I deal with ogerpon?

[forest magnet]

deal with oger with rillaboom, and make plays that discourage hazard removal, for example, i go rillaboom when i expect tusk to switch in and threaten it with huge damage. this forces them to sac hazard removal, tera or switch out

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/81e6e76910463ae3
Funny sun team, any glaring problems?
Might post it on my profile later with an explanation of each mon (mostly for myself to remember ), the ogerpon is really cool though, like really awesome

[viral sable]

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[dark ledge]

alright thank you. I did notice that I never really got a chance to even use trick room so this helps

[golden wasp]

thoughts

https://pokepast.es/f9c07a99d60fd826

[fervent bluff]

No expert on Lokix sets, but idk if it needs 3 bug moves

[golden wasp]

I see

Any suggestions?

Also should my tusk be on headlong or CC?

I want to keep ice spinner to deal with gliscor

[undone violet]

https://pokepast.es/f72da2361e6f6038

hows my team?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/8a5c1bfd7b5a8996 made dnite faster, it now outspeeds gliscor as that is a very important speed benchmark. swapped roost on it for encore to pair well with opposing sweepers that stuggle with dondozo, made dengo dazzling gleam + nasty plot and tera fairy as well as giving it some bulk to hit hits (firery dance from iron moth). made samurott sd as a form of kingambit counterplay + beats more passive mons. made tusk 300 speed and max attack as you outspeed alot even after one rapid spin. also swapped thundyt for iron val, its a better fit for HO, as its an antistall mon (deals w blissy) and adds spa to ur team

[undone violet]

ok thx

[shell stag]

I feel like this team concept has potential: https://pokepast.es/07b91b2e9f5491ee

[viral sable]

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[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/cbccabb2414a4544 This is a bulky offense team paired with hazards

[shell stag]

It looks good. I would run ice spinner on tusk in case you face gliscor.
You could also adapt the tera on Val to ghost, steel or elec to get more setup opportunities instead of the dmg boost of tera fairy.

[cloud blade]

The new meaning of HO:
Hazard
Offense

[austere field]

https://pokepast.es/75c513c1bea6696d any advice for this shit team

[fierce basin]

Hi,
here is some advice for your shit team
I am removing your grassy seed hoopa for a grassy seed hatterene. Gives you some semblance of hazard control, and imo is a good mon into the current gliscor infested meta compared to hoopa.
I'm giving your sneasler some bulk invest instead of full speed, don't think you need all that w unburden. Additionally, I swapped shadow claw for lash out and made you tera dark over tera ghost. You still hit ghold, but it helps improve your kingambit matchup (looks sus atm)
I put psychic on your ribombee so you can hit glimmora leads as well as sub iron moth
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/1fc68250f9e28b52
other potential options:
a bulkier ghold spread w plot recover instead of plot 3
mystical fire over nuzzle on hatt
hope this helps, glhf

[austere field]

Damn thanks man appreciate it

[shell stag]

The team is doing well so far but Ogerpon seems to be a problem since it speed ties with moth and i have to play a guessing game between the stabs

I'd like to sort out my tera types

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/181bfb479e8d6f5a

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[fierce basin]

Water garg isn't good rn imo cause ur still weak to ogrepon. If you want a sturdy switchin to it you could run dragon and pray for no play rough

[shell stag]

i really think Dpult is overrated

[fierce basin]

Or grass if u don't want to be weak to moonblast I guess I just feel like grass is an ass typing into stuff that isn't pon

[shell stag]

oh. tera-dragon

grass is ass, yes

[cloud blade]

Rn dd pult can sweep teams cuz of how restrictive teambuilding is

Repost cuz i got ignored:

https://pokepast.es/81e6e76910463ae3
Funny sun team, any glaring problems?
Might post it on my profile later with an explanation of each mon (mostly for myself to remember ), the ogerpon is really cool though, like really awesome

[autumn oxide]

Gale Wings Talonflame???

[shell stag]

Cinderace with red card seems like a bad idea. it's frail. I'd stick to boots so it can do it's job
Hurricane on rain team is bad
Try cornerstone instad of Wellspring in sun. U-turn for momentum.
Talonflame isn't the greatest mon to use currently. Moth seems to do well in sun, Tusk as well

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/fa6e61c2ddb8e5eb

im iffy on cinderace and i want better hazard control

[shell stag]

Tusk is the best removal. Corviknight would be really good if you dont have to face Gholdengo

[umbral adder]

i mean im running spikes so idk prefer spin but running 2 grounds with ogerpon around is not fun

plus my team only really has physdef

prob gonna put evs in def and spdef on alo

[cloud blade]

@shell stag @autumn oxide okay lemme explain myself
Zapdos- Hurricane is never clicked for me while sun is up, its meant for when sun is down to catch gliscor and stuff/tusk, or to work as an anti rain measure
Talonflame- Gale Wings is specifically for booster speed tusk, booster speed valiant, trailblaze ogerpon, and other stuff like that, thats why its gale wings
Cinderace- minisweeper with red card to either save me from a minisweep, or countersweep grassy terrain teams by red carding out rillaboom, and then following up with acrobatics, the mix of flying+fire hits the top mons so well you would be surprised

[autumn oxide]

very niche option with the talonflame

[cloud blade]

*very nice @autumn oxide
It fits on the team and contributes nearly every game

[autumn oxide]

does it work well tho?

[cloud blade]

I reccomend trying the set out

Its a great speed control mon

With good resists

And great stabs

[autumn oxide]

u mind sending me a replay so i can see how the team works?

[cloud blade]

For the current metagame

@autumn oxide i gotchu

[spiral fable]

This team just doesn’t work

You only have one true sun abuser, a wellspring for some reason with the weirdest evs I’ve seen, red card ace is a complete waste of ace and you have a lot better option for sun mons, and a Zapdos and talonflame for some strange reason

You have only one mon that actually benefits from sun, and at that point you might as well just run a regular team with specs/booster wake instead

I don’t know what’s up with the evs for most of your sets, sun directly hurts Zapdos, wellspring hates sun hurting it’s cudgel

[cloud blade]

If i wanted to go back to the drawing board, whats a good mon that can pivot for sun? Would you reccomend mola?

[cloud blade]

The wellspring set doesnt click ivy

When sun is up

[spiral fable]

… why

[cloud blade]

It just clicks synthesis

And nuke solar blade

[spiral fable]

Why are you limiting your move set

Why are you running a mon with effectively only 3 moves

[cloud blade]

In hindsight cornerstoen wouldve been better

[spiral fable]

Sun doesn’t need pivots, but some run red card hatterene for a quick switch out of torkoal

Alternatively you could also run shocks as a nasty spattacker with the option to pivot, but both options are not “true” pivots

[cloud blade]

Okay ill be back

[spiral fable]

If you’re going to come back and your team doesn’t contain at least 3 protosynth mons with sun there’s no point

Gimmick teams are fun(which it seems like you were going for here) but it just wastes our time because the only thing we can say is “scrap this team entirely”

Especially for weather teams, there’s not a lot of room to innovate: you’ve got a dedicated pool of sweepers that you really just pick from

[livid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/dbc4ac378efd3d64 Liking this team but hazard removal is lacking, so considering trading clefairy for zapdos.

[fierce basin]

bad news, adding zapdos isnt gonna do anything for you for removal cause that guy doesn't have defog
if you want to replace clef for some sort of hazard control I'd make it hatterene, can put a grassy seed on it.
scarf lando really makes no sense on this team especially since you can't click earthquake under terrain, if you want an eq switchin you can make the heatran balloon but hatt counters gliscor anyway. If you want to keep lando then you need to replace earthquake with stomping tantrum but that's only 75 power. I made it a waterpon cause it's still a ground resist lol but gets a bit of bonus on its stab from grassy terrain and appreciates the healing, and since it has encore it can help vs gambit.
on the topic of gambit I made your gren a max speed gambit w low kick for extra insurance
here's the paste w the changes https://pokepast.es/f33128bfc442ba29
glhf

[hybrid wharf]

https://pokepast.es/dda5f06739d95910 Anything I can switch for a fire/electric move to deal with Corviknight?

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[spiral fable]

You shouldn’t run a suicide lead if you aren’t going to run a ho team, and meow sucks in ou rn. Do you want this to be a full ho team or a bulkier offense/balance team?

[hybrid wharf]

A bulkier offense/balance team please

[spiral fable]

Drop hamurott for gliscor

[hybrid wharf]

I think HO would be to replace glowking for a booster mon?

[spiral fable]

And a few other changes yeah

If you want bulky balance swap hamurott for gliscor, run offensive utility tusk, booster moth over meow, drop psyshock for recover on ghold

Alternatively drop ghold entirely for specs pult if you need some immediate power

[hybrid wharf]

Sounds good. Thank you!

[spiral fable]

Np

[atomic oriole]

Hi guys. I haven't touched smogon or comp pokemon in years, but I had a friend get me back into it. I built this team yesterday, but have no real idea if it's any good. It has decent coverage as far as I can tell, but I'd like people who know what they're doing to check it out.

https://pokepast.es/43b15c919d9dd4af

As I am relatively inexperienced, I'm not sure I can give you great explanantions but here is my general approach: (most, if not all, are sets from Smogon Dex)

Ceruledge with Bulk-Up seems like a sick set-up sweeper/threat and I just really like the mon. This is where I started.

Dragapult with dual screens seemed like a really creative/cool set, and Curse is a good way to break down some walls and allow 'Pult to die for a safer switch. I've considered, but not tested, U-Turn instead.

Walking Wake was a friend's suggestion when I asked them about a special wallbreaker, and a safer switch into water types. The set is literally straight from Smogon, I changed nothing. I like it in theory, but I think I am misusing it/its not great here.

I am using Glimmora as a Stealth Rock setter and spinner with some solid coverage and access to guaranteed poison. Setting toxic spikes for free is sick, too. Though, again, it feels weak sometimes.

Ting-Lu is here because I just really liked the set/pokemon. It brings a 3rd type of hazard, and can cut into any pokemon's health pool very well, plus has EQ. It feels like the most obvious odd one out to my inexperienced eye.

Meowscarada is here to break physical walls, switch into water types, and be a nuisance. It also provides Knock Off support, but has felt super underwhelming at times. That could be user error, though, honestly.

sorry for the novel, I just wanted to be as thorough as I can be

the general "idea" if you can call it that was a bulky team that set screens for Ceruledge to sweep/dent teams

[random wolf]

I think the main issue is that you're focusing too much on Ceruledge

I don't have a lot of knowledge on ou but you have double suicide leads that work as different archetypes, and are entirely focused on a set up flash fire Ceruledge?

Ting Lu also doesn't really belong with either of Grimm or screens Pult

[atomic oriole]

I have actually gotten rid of the Ting Lu for Iron Valiant with CM/Encore/Two attacks

but yeah, its entirely possible that the Bulk Up Ceruledge just isn't the cornerstone i think it is

it almost feels like two different cores slammed together

[random wolf]

That's the issue imo

[small birch]

https://pokepast.es/8049f829204b5180

[atomic oriole]

alright. You think I should scrap the idea and try again? I did that before looking at many resources or anything. Since I posted that, I've spent an hour or more reading the OU forums, and think I have a small grasp on why the team felt bad.

but also ty!

[real willow]

Ceruledge mostly runs SD instead of Bulk Up

[small birch]

pls help

[random wolf]

Maybe try going for Hyper offence when using Ceruledge

[atomic oriole]

do you think building around it as the screens sweeper is worth it?

[real willow]

I honestly don't know

[atomic oriole]

fair

[real willow]

I just say what I know

[random wolf]

"a" would be the correct word, screens teams can run like 3, 4 set up mons

[atomic oriole]

oh

[real willow]

SD Poltergeist got Cerul into OU

I don't know what teams it fits on

Yeah Leo is right here

[atomic oriole]

alright

[real willow]

Although since you're looking to kill your screens setter

You are probably fine with 1-2 dedicated screens abusers

[small birch]

Ditto:
The uno reverse for setup mons

Garg:
Physical wall, immune to status, salt cure spam. nothing new

[real willow]

If you want a bulky screens abuser, then something like Manaphy is pretty good

[atomic oriole]

TG manaphy is tempting

[real willow]

Can either go 3a tg or double dance sp

[atomic oriole]

Ceruledge @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bitter Blade
• Shadow Sneak
• Close Combat

would you run this instead of whatever the mess i had was

[real willow]

I'd go Poltergeist > CC

[atomic oriole]

okay bet

[real willow]

And Tera something that resists Dark maybe

Or Tera Grass is always decent

[atomic oriole]

alright

[real willow]

Other screens abusers from me looking at the VR

Kingambit, Ogerpon-W, Hatterene, Garg,

Anything with some bulk can take advantage of screens

[atomic oriole]

garg?

sorry i am pretty new to any gen 8 or 9 mons lol

[real willow]

Garganacl

[atomic oriole]

that's funny, because I was planning on using him over Ting-Lu

but i figured they did they same role and ruination was better for walls

[real willow]

Ting-Lu is more explicitly about setting up hazards and being a wall

Garganacl can just sit in front of your opponent and use Curse or Iron Defense to become unbeatable

Especially since it has Recover and an immunity to status

[atomic oriole]

makes sense

[real willow]

But I've not heard of too too much about Garg in the DLC1 meta

[atomic oriole]

fair

iron defense body press seems cool

[real willow]

Your main considerations with that set are Substitute users and Ghost types

[atomic oriole]

how does it deal with subs

[real willow]

EQ or Body Press

Cuz it can't Salt Cure Pokemon behind a sub

[atomic oriole]

right

do i need to pack a spinner or something

[real willow]

Um

For cerul?

[atomic oriole]

i guess

it have heavy duty boots as it stands rn

[dusk spindle]

i am very new to teambuilding so i would appreciate any tips https://pokepast.es/b9af7a7b3ac73d38

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[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/05f2fd4f14ebab0e

[spiral fable]

I would recommend using a sample team: this team doesn’t work. Arboliva isn’t good in ou, there's better pivots than wash, you have sash glimm which only fits on ho, you have covert cloak ghold even though you have multiple other ways of handling garg, and no hazard removal.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

You have no physical attackers besides meow, you don’t need two spdef pivots, meow sucks in ou. Drop meow for phys val, drop wash for gliscor

Also drop pulse for flip turn and flamethrower for ice beam

[upper maple]

Damn i didn't realize i only have 2 physical attackers

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/799ea81c753d34d4

[spiral fable]

Eh I prefer encore over spirit break

[upper maple]

I prefer break to not get walled by most fairies

Helps with opposing valiant too

[icy turtle]

Long story short, the team is bad bc of outdated mons for the tier or just bad mons. Idk haven't played OU in months since home.

If anything I transitioned to Doubles, and past OU gens like gen 4, and 6.

[spiral fable]

???

Please don't give advice if you aren't knowledgable in the tier: most of his team is OU viable, besides Arboliva and debatedly Wash. While his sets might not work, the mons themself are mostly fine.

[icy turtle]

I'm fairly knowledgeable, I've had played OU time to time to see the progression of the metagame but I can't find it enjoyable so I don't play often.

[spiral fable]

Then why are you saying his team is mostly outdated or bad mons? Most of his mons are fine: Ghold, Ace, Glim, and Val are all incredibly solid mons in the tier right now. The problem is that he has no team structure in mind, and most of his sets are outdated, not the mons themself.

[icy turtle]

Wash isn't as great as it once was to the DLC, and Bol is just complete manure to fighting types on the tier, although true some sets are outdated and balance teams as I presume the direction they're aiming for aren't as prevalent if anything good at all to the hazard centralmetagame ya'll are in. Now that I think of it I should of re-worded what I meant.

[spiral fable]

Yeah the problem with his team isn't that he's using 1-2 bad mons: I can swap those out if necessary to improve the team. The problem is he's lacking a lot of crucial things: no hazards outside of a suicide lead, running said suicide lead on a non-ho team, no hazard control, and outdated sets for most of the mons.

[viscid willow]

https://pokepast.es/15ccaf9184fed9a7

This any good?

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[viscid willow]

Its a HO team

Maybe something could be replaced with Ghold

[spiral fable]

You don't need a specs mon on ho, nor a hazard setter. Drop val for manaphy(double dance or tail glow, up to you), and drop tusk for booster moth. I also don't like Sneasler, but that's up to you, though I would drop dire claw for night slash.

[viscid willow]

Kk

[viscid willow]

https://pokepast.es/53b4aeeb9aa5f0eb so now?

[spiral fable]

imo i would run sub over energy ball on moth

[viscid willow]

Yea, since I already have mana

[dusk spindle]

thank you for the advice! any tips on learning team structure? i dont know where to begin

[spiral fable]

Hyper Offense is well, hyper. You open the game with a suicide lead, then just toss sweeper after sweeper until either the opponent dies or your team dies.
Bulky Offense is a bit slower, Your suicide lead is now a bulky hazard setter, one of your suicide leads might be replaced by a pivot mon, maybe a choiced mon here or there, but it still keeps the core idea of "offense over defense"
Balance is balance. A good mix of immediate power(choice specs/band), speed control(booster/scarf), set up sweepers, but also bulkier mons, hazard setters, and defensive pivots/defensive walls.
And of course, Stall is full on defense. 5-6 defensive mons, with maybe one utility for hazard removal/knock support. The counter to Hyper Offense, your entire gameplan is literally stalling out the other team until they run out of gas and you win through the chip damage you accumlate over the turns.

If you want to learn team structures a good place to start is analyzing the sample teams: look at the mons on each style, see what sets they run, what roles they fill, etc

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/c8a395ec4c612aa8

oops glowking is supposed to be spdef

[umbral wren]

https://pokepast.es/f22ab519560d9d34 how am I looking. Ive been doing well btu trick room steamrolls me...

[forest magnet]

This is a VGC team, for that go to #1059704283072831499

[umbral wren]

Ah my b

Sorry

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/be66207e978c78aa

any criticism is welcome

azu is just there for the wwake mu

[forest magnet]

@fierce basin

i got this one

[fierce basin]

no

u go

yeah

u go

[forest magnet]

k

[fierce basin]

i didnty realize u were typing til i was typin gthen u prob just saw me backspacing

[forest magnet]

can u do @velvet path

[fierce basin]

poorly

[forest magnet]

Your team is too passive. It has too many defensive mons + and is pretty slow. If I where to make changes, it would be a completely diffrent team. I would suggest scrapping the team and try this one instead. Its a really good balance team rn, it does good in the wake matchup as well which is something I noticed u wanted to keep positive. https://pokepast.es/fc8571dc261be7de

If you have any questions on how to use the team provided, feel free to ask me

[quick bluff]

okay, cool - thanks for the sample team. I was trying to build a team around heatran + sinistcha for a friend, is there any way I could salvage this? Perhaps drop glowking for zama?

[forest magnet]

I'll send you a paste for a salavaged version, i'll keep the 2 core members u wanted

will be a diff team tho, hope u alr w it

say yes to confim ^

[quick bluff]

yeah fs! tysm

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3c9094fe157e8225 I tried to fit sinischa, but found it to be outclassed by manaphy

you could use it, its just a tera hog rn which is rlly tough when u have alot of sweepers

[quick bluff]

no worries! yeah I can try both out, either way thank you so much

[forest magnet]

glad u like it, sorry man

[fierce basin]

Hi,
Moltres is pretty outclassed and doing nothing atm due to gliscors and heatrans, I'd recommend making it a spdef heatran so your team isnt run over by booster moth, as well as having another teammate that benefits from the terrain. If you don't like losing your eq switchin you can put it on a balloon
I would also change your slowking who is also sadly getting shit on by gliscor atm to a sneasler who is prob the best rillaboom partner rn, keeps your t spike absorber
since I took away your phys def switchin making your tusk hp invest over attack and booster energy w bulk up which you can afford to do now that rocks are on heatran
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/7d1b6b48c31c81ea
alternative options-
leftovers on tran over balloon
dire claw and tera dark over acrobatics on sneasler, didnt think you needed it cause you already hit ghold w other team members

[fierce basin]

just a note, im a big azumarill shill but he's hard to make work in current meta with encore water absorb ogerpon, even if you get a belly drum off youll just get encored into aqua jet

[quick bluff]

ah I hadn't considered that, makes sense

...mental herb azu?

[forest magnet]

yeah, azu is facing tuff competition rn. iron val p is the fairy of the tier, and water is dominated by waterpon, manaphy, dozo etc...

[brisk cedar]

I have that exact team im my builder 💀

[fierce basin]

pretty intuitive to put together a good 6

[brisk cedar]

Actually I had lefties tran and poison tusk but same moves teras and items otherwise

Poison tusk is nice

[fierce basin]

Hi, I originally came to my computer to do your team and you didn't walk away with the sinistcha you wanted so figured I still would:
-I'm making your sinistcha matcha gatcha over scald, still has the burn chance, has stab, heals you
-Changed your heatran spread and set a bit put rocks over protect
-I'm making your azumarill an encore waterpon for the aforementioned reasons before this msg
-I'm making your slowking-galar a hatterene, he currently has a hard time doing his job in a gliscor meta. Hatterene also lets you pretend to have hazard control which is nice and rounds out some matchup issues. (gives you a switchin to gliscor other than gliscor without risking sinistcha boots/toxic)
Paste w changes https://pokepast.es/4809ed9308259aad
Alternative options:
a LOT of these mons (other than gliscor) are run on grassy terrain, and they can all benefit from it, matcha gatcha boost and negating eq weakness when sinistcha tera steels, heatran gets more lefties, kingambit gets recovery and eq resistance, ogerpon is a bit more boosted etc. If during testing there's a member you don't like you can make one a rillaboom and adjust other sets accordingly (earthquake to high horsepower on gliscor, grassy seed over lefties on hatt)
The team seems slow but I feel like you have answers to everything fast (heatran for iron moth/pult, hatt can neuter val). Hope this helps, glhf

[quick bluff]

thank you!!

[fierce basin]

you can even put leftovers on sinistcha and just play really aggressively to keep hazards off w hatt since the team seems to go all in on the sinistcha

but boots is fine I think

[dusk spindle]

i like the idea of bulky offense! would glimmora work for a team like that? (i got attached to it during my scarlet playthru and like the idea of using it competitively)

or is glimmora hyper offense only?

[spiral fable]

Glimm is ho only sorry

[dusk spindle]

hmmm...! maybe i could try ho
that also sounds fun! im more of an offense than defense person

[spiral fable]

Ho is very unga bunga click button go brr, so if you’re into that you’ll like ho

[dusk spindle]

lol

[warped forge]

https://pokepast.es/eb377d560a71633c

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[warped forge]

I got a dragon mono here

[ruby crest]

This is just a samples moment not only is mono dragon bad in a tier with good fairies, but a lot of these sets are just not good or just outright questionable

[warped forge]

dragons are cool tho ngl

can you give me an example of a bad set in my team

[ruby crest]

Literally everything

Dragons are cool but having a full team when there’s plenty of mons that can give them issues ain’t worth it

Otherwise go play mono

[warped forge]

i enjoy a challenge

[spiral fable]

There's a difference between a challenge and this team is unviable

[warped forge]

i see

[spiral fable]

4 of this team isn't even in ou

[warped forge]

maybe i should play the mono type gamemode instead

there's only 3 dragons in ou

i used 2

[spiral fable]

Yeah and that’s for a reason

[delicate dirge]

https://pokepast.es/94c43517ce81aaf5 Looking for any way to upgrade this team

[naive stirrup]

Gambit scarf?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/7bb6953a7a5317f1 Made walking wake agility, it serves as good speed control, made gambit bulky + sd, good cleaner for the engame, swapped teal for wellsping mask on ogerpon, as well as an sd set, it helps with toxapex and gliscor, swapped gliscor for glimorra, your team is already very offensive so going for an HO style fits the pace of this team better. made val calm mind, to add some spa coverage and swapped armarouge for iron moth for more consisentcy as well as good speed controll

Hope this helps, feel free to ask anything if needed

[naive stirrup]

Just saw on samples, is Encore Val + Agility wake decent too? But yea he needs SpA coverage I agree

Oh

[forest magnet]

? i just made this

[naive stirrup]

Ohgerpon has encore

Aight

[forest magnet]

this isn't a sample

[naive stirrup]

No I mean based on samples..

The HO on samples has Agi Wake and encore val

But seeing Encore on ogerpon it's fine now lol

[forest magnet]

i don't see any wake on the samples..

eh all good

[naive stirrup]

The samples has been updated?

Ahh

Aight

That's an old sample lol

my false

[hybrid wharf]

Could you please describe how this team would play against stall teams ?

[forest magnet]

well you would pressure it with ogerpon, thats like an auto win button, force the tera on dozo then use Iron moth + val to rip apart of the spa side w setup.

[hybrid wharf]

I see. So this HO team (or HO in general) doesn't need to knock boots off of stall Pokemons?

[forest magnet]

no not really, we can just break them with our sheer offense

[hybrid wharf]

Thanks for explaining!

[forest magnet]

np

[shell stag]

https://pokepast.es/00c91ea39f0aeac8
Did i finally get a good balance team?

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[tiny pebble]

https://pokepast.es/db3601f69aa4f369

Small mistake in this, Samurott is supposed to have Encore over Aqua jet.

[west harbor]

https://pokepast.es/1d63ba96405d9542 i rly think hat is a cool pick rn into glisc spikes so cool team

i think you’d benefit from boots dragapult > dirge to give you some speed to actually outspeed stuff like wellspring bc rn you’re kinda run over by it

i changed some sets, made ghold bulkier and also went gleam > make it rain on it with tera fairy. you can change back to mir if it’s not working but you’re also pretty gambit weak so being able to np on the switch then tera to beat it is valuable. sucker resistance in itself is good

i made hatterene mystical fire > hwish for similar gambit reasons. i also went curse garg with a better tera type for more consistency - that tera electric meme set worked well in one specific tour mu but for ladder i think you’d be fishing too much. it’s not bad per se though so if you prefer it feel free to use it

[west harbor]

is there any specific team / playstyle you’re going for here? this seems a mix between offense with spikes + dd pult and sneasler then you have gliscor that’s gonna kill momentum a bit. i think your best bet would be to experiment with sample teams and try some different styles of play to see what you’re most successful with https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[silk hamlet]

i think darts pult would be better for iron moth purposes no?

[west harbor]

yea you can try that too im just using the set on the xavgb sample because its proven

[silk hamlet]

fair nough

[west harbor]

pult is pretty customisable tbh

idt moth is a problem for this team with gliscor and garg so going full special means pult breaks gliscor better w hex

[silk hamlet]

i think ghold on this could also go more defensive for valiant and zamazenta purposes

im not suggesting having attack invest idt thats worth it just garg and glis already have to answer a lotta stuff

so having another decent out to it is nice

[west harbor]

yea you can try it for sure

[silk hamlet]

whats timid ghold for out of curiousity

[west harbor]

yea that works too for sure - if you have a good spread lmk because this one is the one matte uses

not my spread

[silk hamlet]

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 68 SpA / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Make It Rain
• Recover
• Nasty Plot

i have this for sd valiant

i dont remember the speed ill go check

speedless gliscor creep

[west harbor]

yea that works for sure

i’d still consider tera fairy here and gleam optional so you have another gambit out but you can try that too

[silk hamlet]

yeah the tera water isnt intentional its just what i used on my team that i made the spread for

[west harbor]

ghold spreads are honestly anything and all the sample spreads are 252/252 so i just go with what spreads other ppl use because im awful at maths

[silk hamlet]

which had valiant zama low kick meowscarada so i didnt have to use a anti gambit tera

[west harbor]

yea fair enough

[silk hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/b8fc086c7c79fd67 @west harbor can u rate that while ur here btw

[west harbor]

you’re really weak to spikes and your own gliscor spikes lets in opposing gliscor for free so theres not much you can do to deter it. maybe try boots ghold for another mon that can pivot on spikes with gliscor / zama?

im also not really convinced on scarf valiant as a whole but it seems like you built your team to experiment with stuff like that so saying to remove it seems eh. ice punch is a cool tech but glisc always scouts valiants with tect so idk how well it’ll work in practice

i think non choiced booster val would have more success bc you can bait protects with it / use an encore set if you wanted

[silk hamlet]

ah yeah idk why im not boots ghold

i did wanna try scarf val but im not too high on it

even tried scarf enam over it at some point as it is spikes immune and has hwish for zama

https://pokepast.es/4ad25b3589458acd this looks better?

[shell stag]

the best thing i can say is thanks a lot for the consideration and detailed comment.
Special Pult gives me an "ick" personally so i avoided using it 😅 is there an alternative? (Bulky Ace?)

[west harbor]

you can run mixed with dragon darts like glimmer said then it’s not full special it’s just hex to own gliscor

i don’t really know what ace would do for you bc it loses to a lot of stuff pult beats and makes it a lot harder for you to take advantage of status like pult does

court change also does nothing for you

[shell stag]

thanks!

[west harbor]

also i’d say don’t be discouraged by rates and feedback or whatever - i don’t think there’s many teams that are perfect and second opinions on building really help

in huge team tours there’s like 2 or 3 people who are gonna look over what was built

[shell stag]

it was a really good rate imo

im happy with it

[west harbor]

yea it’s just that you asked if you finally got it right and i wouldn’t want you to be discouraged by feedback when you’ve posted a lot of teams here

i like the concept a lot and garg is super underrated at any time when it gets no usage bc nobody’s running cloak anymore

[shell stag]

it's more based on my results with the balance team i was playing. i like team building i general and i've mostly enjoyed offense

https://pokepast.es/bc3edab6eafd9874: I'm really happy how this one came out but RM isn't OU anymore. First tries were trying to make it fit, which ended up just being replacing RM with dnite (experimented with Rilla-Sneasler for a bit)

then i just tried to build a balance team for reqs (dont think ill try though

[forest magnet]

I rated this team b4, I'm afraid its outdated

ya might wanna just swap out ceru for dengo, and then some supporting attacker over moon

[shell stag]

the Dnite one?

oh the moon one for sure isnt legal rn lol

[forest magnet]

sorry that u wheren't satisfied w my rate

[forest magnet]

ik

[shell stag]

no. it's cool

dw

i ended up taking the Dragonite variant you recommended

dont you remember? (too many rates ago probably)

[shell stag]

here

[polar hedge]

https://pokepast.es/08dfc9d8913e14ed

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk sun]

https://pokepast.es/682d92c8eba737d7
Can I improve this team,I'm not so happy about it

[fierce basin]

I'd probably make your heatran spdef w rocks over wisp. Reason being is it's your pult switchin, and while you have resists to both pult stabs neither switch in on rocks nor are sturdy enough. If your heatran goes down trying to check smth else you're very weak to iron moth
And now that rocks are on your heatran, I'd take them off of tusk and make it speed booster bulk up (HP/speed invest) to make it easier to get that emergency spin off since ur 2 big hitters hate rocks
If gliscor annoys you you can put worry seed on amoong and troll it but prob not necessary
I'm on mobile so I can't give u an updated paste but I hope this helps
Other options:
Dragon darts over uturn on pult to hit spdef switchins

[polar hedge]

Ok thanks

[polar hedge]

https://pokepast.es/563cd58554f463f4

I’m using this now does it look ok

[fierce basin]

Oh we're bootsed up now

[polar hedge]

Boots go brrr

[fierce basin]

I'd still prob go speed booster tusk but ig it's preference

[polar hedge]

Why may I ask

[fierce basin]

I know you have rapid spin but just for emergency speed control and as an endgame guy since your other 2 hitters can come in throughout the game now

[polar hedge]

Tusk here is as a blanket check to like fucking everything and lefties helps it stay alive to be able to that

[polar hedge]

Hmm ic

Also I went max defense on amoong because Oger-w is scary

[fierce basin]

If you like lefties for longevity cause you play differently then keep it on. Both r options

Yeah I see u swapped that's good imo

Since you're calm tran now

[polar hedge]

Ok I’ll try booster and see if it’s better

[fierce basin]

You can also make your tusk tera steel or poison over dragon. Gives you poison immunity and flips your fairy/ice type weakness

[polar hedge]

Boots amoong

[polar hedge]

Ok

[silk hamlet]

Boots amoong is only good if you dont have enough anti spikes imo

[polar hedge]

Ima go steel so I can resist make rain

[brisk sun]

I just feel like it could be better

[silk hamlet]

You have a spinner and 3 boots

[polar hedge]

Probably having better sets and more viable Pokémon would help

[polar hedge]

Icic

[brisk sun]

Can you give me some examples?

For better sets

[polar hedge]

Well av tusk kinda fell off

Sd Phesant is not good

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/9d80b7ba2b387eb2 my first team :3 feedback appreciated <3

[brisk sun]

Any recommended sets for tusk?

[polar hedge]

https://pokepast.es/ad5b02078b1055d8

[hybrid wharf]

I am having a lot of trouble vs stall teams with this HO team. I think I just don't know how to play against stall in general https://pokepast.es/60a8337df5991ef0

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/9bcb09d317cc43ce Made your team a bit more anti stall, I swapped shocks for gholdengo's stallbreaker set which forces tera on something, gave kingambit leftovers + low kick and tera fighting to beat dozo and swapped pult for glimorra as it suits HO better. (not for stall matchup, just in general). My tip for you is to pressure with SD ogerpon and then force a tera, then go in with gholdengo + psyshock, iron val to take a core member away (w dbond) and low kick + kingambit.

[hybrid wharf]

Thank you! I'll give the modified team a go!

[forest magnet]

np, just play smart! 👍

[forest magnet]

I would suggest scrapping this team, it just doesn't fit together well (mons feel a bit random). I'll provide some samples below. They have different styles, so choose the one you feel most comfortable with.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[sly mauve]

ok :p

thanks!!

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/d95b1be492db2f10

[polar hedge]

Wow you built a team

Dd pult is odd

[forest magnet]

ayo r u going to rate it

or what

[polar hedge]

But this shit looks Uber standard

[forest magnet]

because i was just abt to rate it

[polar hedge]

I was making a joke cuz this looks like the most standard fucking team ever

[forest magnet]

is that a yes or no??

[polar hedge]

Ima go make food so no

Are you going to rate it @forest magnet

[forest magnet]

yeah, thats my job :P

[polar hedge]

Ok

[vagrant mulch]

hi, im trying to make a team with a weavile/a-ninetails/hatterene core, but im not sure about the last 3 mons

i got this so far https://pokepast.es/189a623c1ac0d0ca

thoughts?

[polar hedge]

Seems decent

Idk about Scarf Moth

And I think Stored Power is better on hat

[polar hedge]

This looks uber standard but not bad dd pult is a little sus but other than that seems perfectly fine imo

Also Tusk should be terra steel or poison

Weavile could be terra ice

As defensive terra is kinda pointless

And terra ice can help you just delete some stuff after a sd

[vagrant mulch]

why steel or poison?

[polar hedge]

It allows you to not get poisoned by scor

And allows you to not be weak/resitant to ice and resist fairy

Terra water could be used for a ice and water resistance without the ground weakness but I feel poison immunity is more nice

[high pier]

https://pokepast.es/639fe17cbefbf129 i tried to build around maushold

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[high pier]

idk how good this mon is tbh

[forest magnet]

are you building around maus as a sweeper?

[high pier]

yea

[polar hedge]

It’s kinda funny

Btw you should have bite so you don’t lose to Dengo

Standard set is Encore in last but it can be filler if u want

What do the clef Evs do?

[high pier]

idk i just put in random evs

[polar hedge]

Ic

[high pier]

shit

i forgot softboiled on clef

nvm they lost softboiled

[forest magnet]

moonlight

[high pier]

oh yea

https://pokepast.es/7f798e3d3f8fc7be the updated team

[forest magnet]

@fierce basin

rate

[fierce basin]

bite does more than crunch because of technician
scarf ghold isnt as good as it used to be and is prob one of its weakest sets atm
the careful 216 atk 220 def 0 hp invest gliscor is crazy, I think you should have full hp invest in order to take advantage of your poison heal
ogerpon set is fine, can run encore over knock if you prefer the utility
slowking-galar isn't great rn due to the outbreak of gliscors, and also next time you try to use it don't take EVs out of HP for defense. you should always be full hp in order to maximize regen https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
I'd probably just scrap this team and take a sample, but I hope that this advice helps for your next one

dopnt tell me what to do

!!!!!

[high pier]

alr thx

[atomic oriole]

is it bad manners to post in the middle of the night if it pings them 😬

[random wolf]

When becoming raters, they're generally fine with being pinged
You'll just have to wait a bit for a response

[atomic oriole]

Okay!

[atomic oriole]

https://pokepast.es/ea0145feac8adf65 Tried to build a screens HO team with lots of set-up. Haven't played since Gen 6 OU, basically brand new to this format. The Gholdengo set was taken from a team write-up on Smogon, the rest are basic sets from smogon.

I feel really ghost heavy. The original idea was screens+Ceruledge, but I am open to anything.

[random wolf]

You could use Alolan Ninetales over Dragapult to cut down on your ghosts/Gambit fodder

I believe you'd want to use SD Wellspring + Booster Wake on screens, and I don't think Sash is a great item for Ceru with no hazard removal

[atomic oriole]

What item would you use on Ceru? So far, its won me two games having Sash, but I've been lucky to avoid hazards. I guess Boots is a good idea

[hushed lynx]

Hm replace ceruledge for dragonite

[forest magnet]

!! I'm here

or spidget....

[fierce basin]

ive been typing for too long

it will be me

[fierce basin]

Hi,
welcome to gen 9. We have some cheap options here you dont have to consider in prior generations. For example, glimmora. all 6 of your guys touch the ground, and you have no poison type to absorb t spikes, nor hazard removal of any kind. Kingambit is also very very scary
With this in mind, I think the first step is to replace walking wake with an iron moth so you aren't as susceptible to t spikes. sub is for kingambit sucker
Making your iron valiant tera steel, flips your fairy and poison and steel type matchup so you can get a free setup turn if thats the path. careful not to tera this if it's your kingambit sucker answer though cause you don't really have another one
As previously mentioned I also think your wellspring should be sd. Swapped uturn for sd, I prefer encore over taunt but you can try both. Encore lets you lock a kingambit into sucker so it doesn't sweep you if it does manage to get a swords dance off
On the topic of hazards, gholdengo is generally used to block removal. You don't actually have any hazards, so I think it'd be better off as a hatterene, this gives you some semblance of hazard control and also a pokemon that can also switch into gliscor.
I don't think ceruledge is great, but since you said you're going for ceruledge screens I don't really want to remove it. I'm making it tera fairy just so it's a sucker resist too lol. I think you can leave the sash if you run magic bounce hatt and play appropriately. Weak armor sash is pretty susceptible to priority so you can give it flash fire to experiment if you'd like. You could even try that smogon bulk up set I guess but run lefties over boots and just keep hazards off
updated paste: https://pokepast.es/ffc75e15846b0630
other options:
if you get frustrated w ceruledge you can make it a max speed kingambit w low kick, provides your team with a much needed ghost resist and gambit answer
mystical fire over nuzzle on hatt

you can also check out the sample teams to see h.o team structures https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

hope this helps glhf

[strange kayak]

https://pokepast.es/d813c7fbc1894a41

[viral sable]

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[west harbor]

https://pokepast.es/8f465062aae9fc10

veil teams don’t really need a hazards lead on top of veil because it means that you’d only have 4 slots to work with to win a game which isn’t really enough. i replaced glimmora with iron moth for a similar role and also as extra speed that’s really hard to deal with rn especially with sub

i also changed some sets around a bit - valiant would be better off as encore to help punish protect gliscor / sucker gambit / fat stuff in general that might be hard to deal with and moonblast + psyshock is better coverage with that

i went with the sample set on mana to give it a bit of speed too - idk what your spread does so if you don’t find the need for it you can change back. i also gave gambit a bit of speed for the same reason - 0 speed will be undersped by every opposing gambit so you can never beat them w sucker - you can go even faster / max speed if you wanted too bc you have veil. another option is power whip on ogerpon if you find horn leech too weak but horn leech recovery + veil means you can set up more

[strange kayak]

I see, Thank You✌️

[cobalt shadow]

https://pokepast.es/8d25a4e408103387

[forest magnet]

yoko you know whats funny?

u rated my team (my first post) here on discord

[cobalt shadow]

oh lol

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/462a65710beb3ac6

Try this out, really good team from pinkacross. Its also grassy balance

[cobalt shadow]

ah ok ty

no gliscor which is also cool!

[forest magnet]

well i can get one if u want gliscor

[polar hedge]

Terra Fight Gold has honestly kinda fallen off imo terra fly is an idea to evade Eqs after balloon pops or terra fairy to have a good defensive typing terra fight is more useful on teams with FB personally Tbolt pult is a bit odd opposed to flame other than that looks perfectly fine

Terra normal can be fun on ghold so you can just fuck specs pult or opposing ghold

[polar hedge]

This team is cool asf I made a copycat of it nice to have the real one kekw

[west harbor]

also if you’re looking for some feedback on this specifically

• i get why you’re facade > eq on gliscor but being walled by ghold / pult doesn’t really sound ideal even with terrain
• i agree that tera fairy ghold is better bc it s a better defensive typing overall while keeping the same gambit resistance
• i think bulky gambit would fit better here with lefties and bulk evs (the sample 20 speed set could work) bc it’s your only ghost resist and lefties + terrain is big
• more optional but you could try boots wisp hex pult bc you’re kinda spikes weak with double choice and being able to pivot on hazards is always pretty useful

[atomic oriole]

Tysm! I'll try this out. I'm still getting used to using Teras to flip matchups.

On your last point about other sample teams, I actually found a RMT that had nearly everything I wanted called GHOSTRIDE, so I'll be trying that too!

[fierce basin]

Awesome glad to hear

[warped bone]

https://pokepast.es/447903ccc7b181c2 - Im looking for feedback and rating

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

I would reccomend scrapping this team, you have no clear structure and no breaker. I would suggest taking a look at these sample teams for ideas on how to build a team.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[brisk cedar]

This team doesn't look very good, the team doesn't have much synergy and a lot of outclassed mons/subpar sets

[hushed lynx]

hi! okay, cramorant, volbeat are unviable in gen 9 ou

[rough tundra]

Baxcalibur @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Thermal Exchange
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Glaive Rush
• Ice Shard
• Icicle Spear

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psyshock
• Moonblast
• Calm Mind
• Aura Sphere

Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Headlong Rush
• Close Combat
• Rapid Spin
• Knock Off

Slowking @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Chilly Reception
• Slack Off
• Surf
• Psychic

Zoroark-Hisui @ Focus Sash
Ability: Illusion
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Bitter Malice
• Hyper Voice
• Flamethrower

Garganacl @ Leftovers
Ability: Purifying Salt
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Recover
• Stealth Rock
• Salt Cure
• Curse

Coming back to Gen 9 ou after a long time this was my old team. What can I replace baxcalibur with

[real willow]

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[real willow]

this will ping sv ou raters

[rough tundra]

https://pokepast.es/3a0078940c34ad40

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

Bax is banned bro

[spiral fable]

😭

[forest magnet]

who got it?

[rough tundra]

Yea

[west harbor]

the metagame has changed a lot since predlc so i think you’d be better off starting from scratxh instead of trying to replace an old mon in a whole new metagame

[rough tundra]

Yea it’s been like a year almost

[west harbor]

you can find some sample teams here to get an understanding of what current ou is like, then try to build a new team to check new threats https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

the dlc model of mons means that repurposing teams from a year ago really isn’t a viable option

[rough tundra]

Alright thanks

[crisp thorn]

https://pokepast.es/b1f2c366f29a0309

id change the name if i wasnt lazy

[polar hedge]

Bundle is banned

[crisp thorn]

oh

uh let me go fix that

[west harbor]

is this supposed to be for ou?

[polar hedge]

I’ll do the rest in a sec

I believe so

[crisp thorn]

i suppose it is now

[west harbor]

even if you do replace bundle, almost all of the sets or pokemon aren’t super optimal in ou and they also don’t fit together on one cohesive playstyle

for example, you have glimmora which is an offensive hazards lead and then you have blissey which only fits on stall teams, so your team doesn’t fit a specific archetype

i’d recommend taking a look at different team structures on the sample teams and deciding what type of playstyle you’re looking for https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

there isn’t a sample stall, so if you want to try that you can try the voltage rmt https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dlc-stall-peaked-1-2075-elo.3727969/

[crisp thorn]

i redid bundle

https://pokepast.es/120f0a5ef645c17e

[west harbor]

the things i said above still apply, and dozo kinda makes this even less cohesive with another fat mon with glimmora

[crisp thorn]

umm

[west harbor]

the sets also aren’t ideal - blissey for example doesn’t need to run focus blast or psychic because it has weak offenses and its role is to be more supportive as a stall pokemon

[crisp thorn]

o

good to know

[west harbor]

i’d recommend trying out some established teams to get a feel for what the ou metagame looks like

you can also find sample sets for things by looking at the smogdex or going to the teambuilder where you import/export sets and there’s buttons to import a sample

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/ou/

[crisp thorn]

okii thank you but in your opinion what mons should i swap to make a more cohesive setup since when i tried to build stall i tried to make a team from how some website described how my team should look

[west harbor]

what style are you actually going for?

[crisp thorn]

just simple wall team more or less

[west harbor]

stall is a very specific play style that wins through almost only passive damage - anything more offensive is going to get chipped down faster than bulky stall mons, meaning the other team will overwhelm you

glimmora has poor bulk ans an awful defensive typing so it has no longevity to win through passive damage only

[crisp thorn]

but i was told by that website to have a cleaner and a sweeper which i followed

so idk what to think anymore