[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[proven hare]

With Sub SD Chomp

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/1c735123a5bfc03a should i have used u turn on moon

Also i changed the tera to flying

[oblique harness]

https://pokepast.es/84babcbc8fbe71a7
Rate the fit

[spiral fable]

why taunt on moon? run earthquake instead

[spiral fable]

why are you running screens on a non hyper offense team

also you dont need two rockers

i woudl also recommend knock over spinner on tusk

[oblique harness]

What's wrong with this?

Also what would you recommend for that 4th slot on clod

[spiral fable]

you're not going to get any use out of it

screens are usually used to enable set up mons like esprantha, or ddance espeed dnite

[oblique harness]

I mean half damage will always be useful

[spiral fable]

the only mon that can set up on yhour team is kingambit, which is good, but doesnt warrant an entire other team slot just to enable a mon that can stand perfectly find without screens

[spiral fable]

not when you're saccing a team slot for it

[oblique harness]

What would you say instead then?

[spiral fable]

also run tspikes on clod ig

pult's still good actualy but either way you've got a big weakness to sd pao

if its a non ice shard you can revenge kill with pult but if it is you're kinda screwed

[oblique harness]

What about fatty daddy dozo

[oblique harness]

Nah people gunna run that 😔

[spiral fable]

actually what does clod really do for this team

[oblique harness]

Was a good unaware wall

But if hundongous dozo is there, not much huh

Just tspike absorber

[spiral fable]

also iron valiant is another big problem for this team

[oblique harness]

Haven't been coming across many valients lately so idk

The ones I do get walled by clod bc they don't run psychic or psyshock

[spiral fable]

well psyshock valiant can rip this team apart

[oblique harness]

Yeah that's true

Anyway, if I were to replace clod with dozo

What about that last slot

[spiral fable]

what kinda team you're going for here

[oblique harness]

Slow

Not stall slow

But pretty slow

[spiral fable]

so defense

or balance

[oblique harness]

Yeah stall-balance sorta deal

[spiral fable]

you can try running hatterene over tusk

[oblique harness]

I like your thinking

But I lost my spinner

Corvo feels unreliable as a defogger too

[spiral fable]

hatterene can help keeps hazards away with magic bounce and also prevent breloom from absolutely rampaging through this team

[oblique harness]

Fair enough

I've never been the best with hazard bouncing tho... Esp with Ortho running around

Emphasis on help buti don't think it supplants a spinning role

[spiral fable]

well rn breloom can basically 6 - 0 this team

[oblique harness]

Yeah

I'll play around with the last mon

Lmk if you think of anything good

[spiral fable]

pult or valiant would be my pick cuz you would need something faster but idk its up to you

[oblique harness]

Sure ill go with pult first

[supple forge]

https://pokepast.es/ab026ee25401416f
@agile lava could you help out again? I find myself heavily struggling with tera fairy garg

[agile lava]

cloak up

[supple forge]

cloak corv?

[agile lava]

pex

and go haze > tspike/toxic

whichever one u use less

[supple forge]

huh ok

thx

[terse rampart]

https://pokepast.es/ad8a8b65286c75ef my team keeps getting destroyed by Breloom, any suggestions?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[willow oracle]

https://pokepast.es/baf2db1cbc7a8964

Swagger mirror herb tauros

This is my first singles team so be nice please 😭

[willow oracle]

Maybe one less water type idk?

[terse rampart]

Yeah Azu is probably a bad idea but idk what to put in his place

I just had him there since I wanted a fairy type and someone that could cover water absorb clodsire

Hence the ice spinner

[willow oracle]

Chien pao eats clodsire

[terse rampart]

Eh it does but I thought another ultra fast attacker was too much

What even kills Breloom?

[sly mauve]

Here is my chance at a volt turn team https://pokepast.es/cd9280d6a8745e1b

[fallow garden]

https://pokepast.es/6de975861af23fec Rate

[spiral fable]

Your Tera types are wack

Why Tera fighting on dengo? Or Tera ground on wash?

[spiral fable]

Running black sludge is usually frowned upon because this either punishes you for teraing or reveals your Tera type

[fallow garden]

Oh uh, Im yet to update those

Besides that, team lookin gud?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[verbal wing]

https://pokepast.es/191f6bf117734bb0 wanted to make a team with quaquaval and dragonite idk if it's that good I'd like some advice

[spiral fable]

you've got a pretty bad weakness to iron valiant

also no hazard setter

[wanton root]

they really don't

as long as they make dirge spdef that's about as good as it gets

make garg rocks

and you need some way of fitting a ground on

I don't really see how you could fit both quaq and dnite on the same build

so would you be ok with just going tusk instead

you're pretty reliant on dnite rn to make progress

which is inconsistent given it needs to click ddance more than once before its wallbreaking

tusk gives you immediate power

[wanton root]

you're running dual hazards ting with a fogger

that seems counterintuitive

balloon dengo isn't a real thing, and if you want to keep spikes you should probably consider changing it to the standard physdef set since you're dropping corv anyway

make it tera flying tho

actually how do you feel about doing physdef tusk>ting and clod>corv

that gives you removal rocks and spikes

the inherent issue with this is most dengo+dnite spikes teams end up weak to pao

at least in my experience

so you're going to have to rely on offensively pressuring it rather than having a single consistent answer to it

[willow oracle]

https://pokepast.es/baf2db1cbc7a8964

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[willow oracle]

Decided to repost this cause no one responded

Swagger mirror herb tauros

This is my first singles team so be nice please 😭

[fallow garden]

I can surely give that a try, and also I doubt chiens gonna be a problem since im able to handle it mostly

chien might get banned soon

so thats also a thing :)

Though if i do swap those out, id be creating a psychic weakness

valiant is weak to psychic, so is clod n tusk

also wud it be wise to swap out balloon for lefties

[wanton root]

yes

balloon accomplishes nothing long term

most grounds can still hit you regardless

[indigo dome]

this team is for a tournament that has a custom ruleset but I'd still like to ask how good my team is even with or without the rule set https://pokepast.es/8b1b3915336e2049

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[supple forge]

orcorio and flapple are not good in ou

[indigo dome]

alr

if the tournament im in didnt have the restrictions on what mons to use what would they be replaced as advice (forgot to say theres restrictions)

[spiral fable]

a: run shadow sneak over phantom force on cereluedge
b: tera fire is a bit wack on it but if you've got a reason why go ahead
c: meowscarda should be running knock off, i would recommed replacing thunder punch
d: why do you have a lead glimmora with no hazards, replace toxic with rocks at the very least
e: you've got no hazard removal
f: as stated above, flapple and orricoco are not viable, if you want a qd sweeper you've got volc and if you want banded cleaner you can run pao, or scizor, azumarill, breloom

[indigo dome]

i forgot which move it was, thanks, ill try to get whatever tera is best for ceruledge in the actual games (team is for ingame tourney)

[proven hare]

https://pokepast.es/9f882dcd6c1d3723

@green citrus if you are free

[fallow crag]

I think you'd get more out of boots > band on tusk, boots offensive is super hard to deal with right now. I'm not sure what tera dark does for gholdengo, I think tera ghost or steel is definitely the better option

[proven hare]

Yeah Boots Tusk is super good, just thought it would be nice to have a more immediate wallbreaking power which can be nice for Volc and Valiant late game

Dark Gholdengo helps me win mirror Ghost MUs, which can be a little problematic here, while it still resists Dark STABs from Chien Pao and Kingambit

[fallow crag]

Hmm

If you want to fuck with opposing darks then fighting is 10x better

Dragapult does just sorta

Schweep though

So I see the logic

You might want AV on tusk for that boy

[proven hare]

Right
Or maybe Ting-lu for Chomp

[fallow crag]

That's another good option

[proven hare]

I liked Chomp just for the Glimmora Hazard Stack MU

I'll just play using these options and see which works the best

[proven hare]

I decided to change Volc for Chien Pao - Volc is fun, but I thought I'll enjoy last few days of Chien Pao

So I don't need to change Chomp to Ting_lu for now

Also, I'm using boots Tusk

Since Pao is Band

[low quarry]

https://pokepast.es/b65407d7c5eedaa2

[peak gale]

https://pokepast.es/15d6dde66b4f2615

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

Tysom

Nvm wrong chat

[daring violet]

I have some time to rate teams for the next 3 hours please @ me

[daring violet]

Hello, team looks good I think from an offensive perspective I would go tera fire or tera flying on gambit. I would play around with Pex EVs and go with 252 HP / 252 Sp.DEF and make it +Sp. Def nature because Corviknight is a solid phys wall. With Corvi if you're going bulk up I think you need to forego uturn and go with body press. aside from that team looks good

[daring violet]

Cool team, I could seeing Espathra being an issue I would go with tera flying [on gambit] if it plans on tera blasting (fighting for gambit), I personally would go with Recover > Focus Blast on Dengo unless you feel like you really need to be hitting gambit switchins. I'd change tera on pult to dragon to hit really hard with draco. How do you like Brambleghast on the team? Has Colbur Berry been better than Lefties / Heavy Duty Boots?

[peak gale]

colbur lets me live a lot of knock off hits from users like great tusk, i can just strength sap after the hit and get a relatively safe switch into something else

[daring violet]

keep it then

i think brambleghast is underated

[peak gale]

fr it had good typing and its decently fast

counters both donphans too

[daring violet]

yup easy to keep rocks

[peak gale]

lowkey banking on espathra to be banned ngl 💀 piece of shit is so annoying

[daring violet]

i have a feeling it will be quickbanned within 3 weeks (just my thoughts)

[peak gale]

300 bp move💀

[daring violet]

yeah im not a fan of it, it's really uncompetitive when paired with tera

[upbeat elk]

https://pokepast.es/d13ae40db59bc2a4 can someone tell me their thoughts on the team and what needs to be changed to make it better, pls and thank you

[peak gale]

get a special wall

[dry edge]

Doesn't look too cohesive. The Espathra looks kind of random and all 3 of PhysDef Rotom-W, Tauros and Amoonguss is a bit too redundant. The team is also very very weak to special attacks (like pointed above) mainly Shadow Ball and Greninja

What are you going for here? Smth balanced or more offensive? And how did you end up adding all 3 physical walls + Tusk?

Maybe explaining this last part can let us see your viewpoint

[upbeat elk]

well originally I wanted it to be an espathra team and I ended up adding tusk to set hazards and the removal of hazards, noticing how weak I am to chien I added taurus in order to check that. Then realising my Tusk check was another tusk I added rotom to have a ground immunity. Noticing that I had 2 will o wisp I added pult. However after that I realised I get folded by iron valiant so I had to find a way to deal with however my first options where not doing well against the valiant sets that come with the damage calculator whilst also having a status move. So I opted for amoongus (somehow). Looking back at the team with a fresh set of eyes I can see where I went wrong and the main that where said is that I don't have a special wall but I think at the time I was only thinking of the physical threats not the special ones and was so focused on trying to check the highest rank mons up till A+ on the viability rankings that I forgot to pay attention to the how synergistic the team is.

[delicate shale]

Protean/Libero Team bc I thought it would be cool, RMT: https://pokepast.es/67bb7986f085f575

And yes fortress, adv/dpp moment

[dry edge]

I see. Espathra is a weird mon to build around as it can come in on games and just steal them. However it does need to be in the right team as otherwise it won't interact well with the others and will be hard to set up. You often see it on teams like this https://pokepast.es/c25fbd7b62833e6c or this one https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-669605, just so you get an idea.

For the record from the above Tauros-Water with Bulk Up can check both Great Tusk and Chien-Pao. Right now though I would recommend to try to restructure the team so Espathra can feel a bit more fitting

[peak gale]

why gengar > gholdengo?

jsut curious

[delicate shale]

Typing

Specifically it had poison

Also fb

Oh shi I have 3 choices mons

[peak gale]

i just feel like u can have a more defensive pivot

instead of gengar

[willow oracle]

https://pokepast.es/baf2db1cbc7a8964

[proven hare]

https://pokepast.es/db32aaf0ba0a4945

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile lava]

looks good

might want taunt on grimmsnarl

over spirit break

[grizzled scarab]

Balance is viable on this new gen or nah? i was thinkin on building a team around it if is ill try then post the team here

[ionic crag]

https://pokepast.es/0e59769505df2e2f how can I improve this team?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proven hare]

Chien Pao, Moon and Gambit get free entry without Spirit

[grizzled scarab]

Grimsnarl isnt supposed to attack

Is just a support mon

Maybe u could argue to hit those 2 but gambit doesnt care about spirit break

Infact prob would enjoy a defiant boost

[ocean ledge]

https://pokepast.es/f01e93765e77c0de

Need help

SVOU

[spiral fable]

i would reocmmend wisp over wave on wash and tera flying instead of steel on dengo

[frail ether]

https://pokepast.es/239d963eabffddef

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frail ether]

I feel like my big problem rn is that my team seems to have a weakness to Rotom Wash

I mean idk if thats too big of a deal, ik Valiant can deal with it but then I'd have to use Booster Energy

[proven hare]

You could go for Offensive Tusk and Rocks Garg

Also Wisp over Wave on Rotom-W

Team does seem to not have a lot of breaking power

[silk hamlet]

And it also loses to meowscarada

[frail ether]

isn't Valiant and Cinderace good for that? But yeah your probably right

I was considering amoongus now that you mention would be rly good, along with hopefully checking Meowscarada it has clear smog for Dragonite and Valiant

I know knock off would hit hard but Corv can also be an out to Meowscarada I think

tho the problem is that idk what set it could be running

I just realized you could've been not talking to me lmao

[silk hamlet]

I was talking to dolphin

[frail ether]

sorry abt that

[silk hamlet]

Dw lol

[ocean ledge]

I just outplay with gren and cinder

Don’t know what to drop to fix the MU personally

[upbeat elk]

after looking at the team you sent and the replay I think I understood how an espathra team works and as a result I ended up with this team https://pokepast.es/64144198d58c4bff, but I'm going to be honest hear I'm unsure about the last 3 sets but those where the only ones I could think off, that could somewhat fit especially Clodsire as I don't think the way you play Clod works well with the team but since the last major issue was special bulk I opted to use him. Thoughts?

[ionic crag]

https://pokepast.es/0e59769505df2e2f can someone rate this team?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fallow crag]

nice team, i would suggest running a more physically defensive Calm Mind set for Hatterene, maybe even with eject button

also tera water is a must on it

[ionic crag]

what move do i remove for calm mind

[peak gale]

nuzzle prolly

[unkempt hill]

nuzzle or mysfire

[ionic crag]

thats all?

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/f453b12ccc6533a5

[reef pewter]

https://pokepast.es/28572d46f89c6603 can anyone rate this team?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry edge]

Hey,
The Pokemon are alright for the most part but the sets are not. Would recommend to start with sample sets first. Here's Orthworm's for example https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/orthworm/

[reef pewter]

i'll use the orthworm set but most of the unorthodox sets in my team are there for the surprise factor.

Grimmsnarl is my dedicated(although kinda gimmicky) Espathra counter with prankster imprison.
Corviknight is tera ground mainly to counter ghold trying to block defog.
Dtail on dnite is to phase opposing sweepers.
Extrasensory on gren to counter fighting types w/o priority

I may replace grimmsnarl w something else thouggh cuz dnite takes care of espathra w shed tail support. I'm open to change some slots on the team

[hazy plank]

https://pokepast.es/a242564ea5cc648d @agile lava @fallow crag

Any help

[drowsy mural]

What should I be wary of, made this balanced team yesterday and haven't tested it yet

https://pokepast.es/ac6c1f5a4c7e9352

As far as I can tell dirge just needs to be played around alot to enable this team fully

Gholdengo focus blast and tera I literally just threw on just bc, if I should run something else lmk

[spiral fable]

why jaw lock over crunch on roaring moon, and only one attacking move?

also why covert cloak what

[hazy plank]

It's used to like trap toxapex and dd up

[drowsy mural]

^

Covert so you can even set up on things like Garg and Glimmora

[upbeat elk]

Um so i made two different teams for espathra could someone tell me which one is better https://pokepast.es/64144198d58c4bff or https://pokepast.es/5fb64b5a95c03d83

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold osprey]

https://pokepast.es/b28fd85088e0e5ee my team feels weak to rotom, what adjustments could I make?

it otherwise feels good but I can't do much to rotom besides wearing it down

[spiral fable]

why lum on great tusk?

[drowsy mural]

You could try baxcalibur or hydreigon for rotom

[cold osprey]

status on it's really bad

boots could work too but I don't want it poisoned

[drowsy mural]

They both resist both stab and bax doesn't get burned while hydreigon doesn't care about burn

Hydreigon also has pivot

[cold osprey]

what place in the team would they take tho

[drowsy mural]

Personally I'd get rid of Scizor

With bax you can deal with most of valiants counters pretty well

Since bax also beats volc and clod

You'd probs have to run boots even though band is better

You don't rly need 2 pivots either even though volt turn is solid

You switch in on volc or clod and they either gotta choose something to get nuked or fear a potential DD

[grizzled scarab]

so idk what to fix on my team for with curse dondozo https://pokepast.es/f0464f2a1953b36c

[ancient saddle]

https://pokepast.es/e5c2ca5398684cd3 any opinion is welcome

[dry edge]

Looks very weak to wisp rona. I don't think you super need Covert Cloak Gholdengo on such offensive team. Beteeen Leftis Tusk ane Sub Pult you should be fine enough.

Maybe Tera Fire Dragapult could help against Rona? And Air Balloon Gholdengo works a bit better eith Chain Chomp since it gives Tusk a harder time spinning. On the same light Tsra Ghost Garchomp for just in case.

[pulsar geyser]

https://pokepast.es/1786f8c7decadc4e im not nesc new to building ive built a few good teams before but would like some feedback before pao gets yoinked

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[daring violet]

team looks good, i would go with tera ghost / dragon on pult for the offensive power. maybe go with ice shard since people can play around with sucker punch if needed, but i can see it being a personal preference. everything else looks pretty good

[pulsar geyser]

thats fair, i go back and forth with sucker/ice shard with chien pao

i dont love defog as removal in this meta but the team is already pretty eq weak so having a flying immunity is nice

[agile lava]

needs a ground

and tera ghost pult yea

just go tusk > meow

BU

and spdef corv

[pulsar geyser]

bulk up tusk spdef corv?

https://pokepast.es/57a3cfb304644519

i changed to this

[agile lava]

defog > body press

on corv

[pulsar geyser]

yeah nvm secondary removal prob important for this team with pao

[agile lava]

yea

[pulsar geyser]

this is also a team i built, it won me a game in SPL but im not sure if its actually good or not what do you think https://pokepast.es/10465a39ee3abd0b

sometimes i run eq over protect on garg

[ionic crag]

https://pokepast.es/17a4bcdfa802c8eb can someone rate this?

[fallow crag]

Taunt > crunch on mence and protect > quake on garg, everything else looks decent

Might wanna have boots on tusk but that’s a preference thing

[spiral fable]

might want to run psyshock instead of psychic on hatterene and hex over shadow ball on dirge but other than that pretty good

He's already got both a spinner and a magic bouncer for toxic spikes

T bolt is necessary to kill corv and also hit dozo for large chunks of damage

Tera water is better than ghost because 4 of the main physical attackers of the tier run dark stab

levitaters aren't really necessary on this team because he's got mons that can threaten great tusk/dragonite/chomp and he has tera flying roaring moon if he's still struggling

[hoary scarab]

How do you remove toxic spikes from Glimmora without being poisoned with this team? If you tell be by putting Hatterene and not hitting Glimmora with a physical attacker, then it’s a big mistake he can just preshot a sludge bomb or a mortal spin, which is something I do a lot in my games.

[spiral fable]

a poison from glimmora isn't the end all be all

[pulsar geyser]

use a ground poison

clod or pex

[hoary scarab]

Thunderbolt isn’t even stabbed with the tera type and don’t even 2 shot Corvaillus most of the time… so it’s useless and moonblast stabbed just deals a little bit less damage then a thunderbolt on Dondonzo and it deals less damage then a double stabbed moonblass on Dondonzo so it’s completely useless…

[spiral fable]

252 SpA Iron Valiant Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 212-250 (53.1 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

and tbolt does 7-9% more than moonblast

[hoary scarab]

That’s with a very low SpD set and even if it 2 shots the opponent just has to pivot on a ground type because you are blocked on thunderbolt…

So it’s very easy to counter…

[spiral fable]

corv usually runs physically defensive sets and if you're going to say "o if they're going to take super effective damage so they'll just switch out" whats the point of running coverage moves on any mon

[hoary scarab]

Not any Pokémon is played with Choice Scarf

[spiral fable]

if you're going to go with the idea "they'll just switch out" dengo a: blocks trick and b: can severly threaten valiant, so then running trick would also be useless, no?

[hoary scarab]

If you read well my comment on the team you will understand why putting trick is a winning game condition…

[hoary scarab]

To be honest I don’t think I can judge too much your team because I only play 3 out of the 6 Pokémons on the team, but I think that your team has a weakness to hazards. I think that Hattarene isn’t enough against hazards and a anti-hazard move is a must.

[pulsar geyser]

Thats fair, it was originally a team hard prepared to counter a bulky offence garganacl team since I suspected my opponent might play that, and it worked out

[hoary scarab]

Against tank teams which pivot a lot it can get hard

[hoary scarab]

Ah ok

Guys do you have a good team to play on the ladder? I only played one team for now…

Btw what is SPL? I’m pretty new to be honest

[spiral fable]

Check smogon sample teams

[hoary scarab]

Oh nice thanks!

[spiral fable]

If you want to check individual sets there should be smogon pages for a good chunk of ou at this point

[hoary scarab]

I guess now I know that my team is bulky offense it’s the first one on the list I just have pretty atypic buildsets on my pokemons probably

Bulky offense teams look great

[hoary scarab]

Ok thanks

[subtle rose]

smogon premier league

basically THE smogtour

[urban sky]

https://pokepast.es/4b433fb2cba216fb

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile lava]

looks good

idk if u need rocks tho tbh

most of my successful rain teams are just rockless

i actually have a team like this with gholden / pao over gambit / treads

but it looks good

[dreamy perch]

I have been playing showdown for like the past few days with this team on ou gen 9 and I keep losing any tips are welcome

[spiral fable]

I highly recommend you start with an ou sample team since you seem new to the meta but if you want to keep this current team
A: we can’t see your sixth mon can you please make a pokepaste
B: mimikyu isn’t good in ou
C: why sash on kingambit when you’re aiming to use him last and therefore probably take hazard damage switching in, and Tera flying is better
D: there’s no reason to run merciless toxapex, regenerator is much better. Furthermore, why are you running ice beam, toxapex doesn’t have good spdef, or protect when it gets baneful bunker, as well as no recover
E: you can run sd garchomp but it isn’t super good in the meta, as well as sash being entirely useless due to hazards once again, along with flamethrower, since it’s a physical attacker, and you’re also lacking earthquake
F: once again, sash is going to be broken by any hazard and you have no removal, and pawmot wants a pp berry anyways to use revival blessing twice
G; also most of your Tera types are wack, garchomp doesn’t really want dragon Tera, and pawmot and toxa want a useful defensive tera

[hoary scarab]

Ok ty

[hoary scarab]

Tbh in the first days it’s better to just have fun and then when you start to know Pokémon abilities and stuff you can try to get better

Play for fun

[spiral fable]

I mean they’re coming here for tips they clearly want to improve

[hoary scarab]

Yes but if they have a big lack of knowledge then they can’t always understand why some things can be good or bad

[spiral fable]

Which is why they’re asking other people for tips

[dreamy perch]

My bad for not showing the 6th one

[spiral fable]

Why do you have a special dragonite

[dreamy perch]

I think I should maybe change the tara

[spiral fable]

Physical is much better, or you can run a trapping dragonite

[dreamy perch]

Hm hm

Keep in mind I am like 1226

Soo I don't know that much

[spiral fable]

I heavily recommend you go here

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
And pick a team

[hoary scarab]

This team looks unplayable against Garganacl Tera water
I think that rain teams are kinda unplayable in OU

[spiral fable]

Rain is definitely playable in ou, and as long as you keep amoonguss alive you can deal with Garg

[hoary scarab]

Have you ever seen a 1700+ playing a rain team?

I haven’t

It’s way too weak

[spiral fable]

Rain is definitely not too weak, it’s certainly not what it used to be in the super early stages with palafin and bundle but it’s still got some good abusers and pelipers recent rise to ou can attest to that

[red dirge]

They already got advice and

Honestly idk if this is good advice

[hoary scarab]

Ok maybe 1700+ it’s not impossible but if there is a 1800+ who plays a rain team I shut my mouth very hard

My mouth will be closed for one week 😂

[ionic crag]

Why taunt?

[fallow crag]

Let’s you beat skele

[urban sky]

lol that's actually where I got the team from, it was from a very good competitive player

[ionic crag]

Would this also help vs espathra?

[fallow crag]

no you just hit that thing

[ionic crag]

Ok so do I change the roaring moon nature to jolly?

[peak gale]

https://pokepast.es/3fa09d3b03d3fd61
what pokemon can i add besides dengo to round this team out?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile lava]

rotomw!

[peak gale]

was think that too

but lowk sounded a little boring

probably switch sets on great tusk for hazards

[hoary scarab]

Then give me the pseudo

[dreamy perch]

I did some adjustments to my team and I am starting to win a bit more than before

Ty for the tips

[dry edge]

This is one of the rules of the RMT channels, please make sure to follow them in the future

5. Make sure that the team being posted is yours; do not ask for a rate for a team you did not build, including sample teams.

[dry edge]

Remember criticism must be both constructive and well informed.

Pelipper is OU as of the last tier shifts which ofc required rain to be used on higher parts of the ladder.

While rain can struggle with Tera Water Garg, this team actually doesn't as it has both Amoonguss and Grass Knot Greninja.

[exotic kite]

https://pokepast.es/34b9d13b329b44b8

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[exotic kite]

@unkempt heart

became more of a HO team than BO which really wasnt my intention

but yknow what fair play

[hoary scarab]

If you switch in Greninja he almost dies from salt cure damage lol. 25%*2 + dmg attack. Salt cure then protect.

And he’s Tera water so he will always take 25% dmg from the salt cure each turn.

[dry edge]

Ya ofc you dont ever switch Greninja that's what Amoonguss is for but that's not a discussion for here anyway. The main point of the last message was to tell you to please consider the way you go about rating other people's teams and if its helpful or not

[hoary scarab]

Ok but then you will tell me that you will sacrifice all your Pokémons to keep the Amoongus alive?

It doesn’t make sense at all

[dry edge]

Again this is not a discussion to be had here, you are free to go to the comp-general channel and see what other people think of rain, what some common structures are and how they deal with Garganacl.

[hoary scarab]

???

[hoary scarab]

When you say « Pelipper is OU as of the last tier shifts which ofc required rain to be used on higher parts of the ladder. » you are talking about the higher parts of the ladder of UU right?

[dry edge]

No, OU pokemon are those with 4.52% or higher usage in the OU tier and the usage in lower tiers doesn't have any kind of impact. For example if a Pokemon were to have 100% usage in UU yet less than 4.52% usage in OU then it would still not be OU

[hoary scarab]

Hahahaha

So you are telling me that rain teams are played in the higher parts of the ladder of OU?

Really?

[unkempt hill]

yes

it is

[hoary scarab]

And when you talk about the higher parts of the ladder what is it?

Top 500?

[unkempt hill]

eh yeah

rain is played everywhere

[hoary scarab]

I haven’t seen one player 1700+ playing a rain team and I played against more than 100 of them.

I don’t know wtf are you talking about.

[dry edge]

Lets move on from this, this is not the proper channel for this discussion. You are always free to look up at stats usage in the index and ask any other related questions in the respective channels https://www.smogon.com/stats/

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/f453b12ccc6533a5

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/9dbb2a2a67612834

So I was watching blunder cook screens espathara and I thought the other players played bad and had bad defensive synergy so I made a team I didn't think could lose

The way u beat this style is with unaware mons, for that I have spdf salt cure Garg with curse EQ to break covert gholden, as well as king gambit boots for pivoting as well as sweeping, along with defensive rocks boots tusk as a second pivot, grimmsnarl is max spdf terra steel so it can get multiple turns of screen and weaken +1 mons like volc temporary with parting shot and screens. Any comments on what beats this team?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low quarry]

https://pokepast.es/47e7596a140857bf

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/7bb90e91042339be. How is this team

Its probably too slow for ou

[urban sky]

yeah true I did beat garg a couple times

[urban sky]

Sorry I did not know, I was asking players what I should do to counter something with the pokemon I had

[dry edge]

Its alr, maybe try bringing it up in the comp-general channel

[sly mauve]

Hmmm is max speed tusk and dragapult enough speed for my team to work in ou? I got scizor priority to beat out chien pao and we have ting lu to whirl wind esthpartha out

What do you think setsu?

[valid tree]

Rate my team:
https://pokepast.es/9eac1aa9970af216

Garchomp is sweeper

[spiral fable]

run tera flying instead of dark on dengo
why substitute on chomp?
i would recommend wisp over twave on wash
tera fairy/water over tera fire on dirge
uturn over iron head on corv
and why are you running pelipper with like zero rain abusers

[valid tree]

Gholdengo is good support

Room-Wash is the Water-type

[spiral fable]

wash is not a good abuser of rain lol

its good for pivoting and support, sure, but its definitely not enough of a reason to run rain

[valid tree]

I just put Pelipper now. I need a good answer to Volcarona

[spiral fable]

i mean dirge is a good check

[valid tree]

Maybe I should replace Slack Off with Roar

[spiral fable]

what no

dirge is a good check as is, and if you're truly having issues run like clodsire

[subtle rose]

Dirge should not ever lose to volc

[valid tree]

I suck

[sly mauve]

Fire tauros replacing pelipper would be heat against pao

[spiral fable]

pao got banned

[valid tree]

But it will try use Skeledirge

[sly mauve]

Oh that happened lol

[spiral fable]

gotta wait for the ladder to implement it cuz i still see it everywhere but once its done pao's no longe r athreat

[valid tree]

I had Iron Valiant as my 6th. I will out it back

Iron Head is my only Steel-type move. Unless I Tera Garchomp then use Tera Blast

[spiral fable]

i mean you dont really need steel type moves

also make it rain is literally right there

[vast nexus]

https://pokepast.es/6b636b20dd08bc06 is this a good team I replaced pao with gambit after pao got banned

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

Anyone here

[spiral fable]

hello

[spiral fable]

i would recommend tera fighting or flying on dengo instead of steel cuz you're relying on bloon not getting popped

besides, make it rains boosted by nasty plots are breakign through most mons anyways

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/7bb90e91042339be is this team too slow?

[spiral fable]

i mean now with pao and perantha gone you really just need to watch otu for roaring moon and dragapult can revenge kill most other mons

[sly mauve]

Wait is pao gone?

[spiral fable]

yes

[sly mauve]

Also parentha?

[spiral fable]

hasn't been implemented on the ladder yet tho

[sly mauve]

I didnt think chien pao was that broken

I thought it was fine in ou

[spiral fable]

179 attack and 135 speed + dual priority and a pretty good offensive typing + the ability to break every physical wall in ou is a bit too broken

[sly mauve]

Yeah but weavile has similar problems and thanks to hazards, priority, scarf, mons like kingambit, iron hands, dondozo, iron valiant idk it felt fine

[spiral fable]

weavile didn't have access to tera, wasn't as fast, priority was unreliable due to pao's own priority, and kingambit was unreliable due to sacred sword, hands dropped to crash, dozo dropped to band crunch, and valiant dropped shard/crash

[sly mauve]

I guess, also is my team good or does it need fixes

[spiral fable]

i think its decent

some of the tera types could be better but the movesets look aight

[sly mauve]

Typings and matchups too?

[spiral fable]

can't think of any matchups that would give you too much trouble

maybe a bit weak to valiant?

[static crow]

its been a while since ive played comp and wanted some input for this team, thank you in advance

https://pokepast.es/981ce9d6fd4f3307

ignore the part about status on garganacl, had a stupid moment lmao

[spiral fable]

definitely recommend sash over boots on glim cuz its your lead, and maybe spikes over momento but thats just my preference
why poison jab on loom? and why tera dark
sash edge with destiny bond is iffy since its not fast enough to really abuse it against faster mons

also personally i would reocmmend sd lefties over tera blast vest gambit but thats just my preference

[static crow]

aight thanks

i initially went with sash on glim, kept swapping between the two since i found myself bringing it back in sometimes to remove hazaards

[spiral fable]

you have hatterene for hazards

also replace poison jab with spore on breloom

[sly mauve]

I’d swap destiny for shadow sneak on ledge thats j my input

[spiral fable]

yeah destiny bond just isn't good

o yeah and i recommend tera bug instead of fire on edge

[static crow]

ok

i wasnt really using tera on edge most of the time, put it in case i needed bitter blade to hit harder

[sly mauve]

What is bug actually run for?

[static crow]

yeah i was wondering the same thing lol

[sly mauve]

I usually run fighting but I see bug all the tiiime

[static crow]

dark types maybe without the weakness to steel and poison like fairy tera

idk just a guess

[spiral fable]

resists ground

flash fire prevents fire types

[sly mauve]

Oh

OHH

that’s raw

[spiral fable]

you can do some sneaky shit with sub bulk up edge

[static crow]

ive been running weak armor

[spiral fable]

thats alright but since the most common moves running around are all types that edge is weak to its better to run flash fire

[sly mauve]

Band/scarf flash fire is funny after getting it

But not that optimal

Also psyshock mayyyybe better on hat for hitting clod better but idk exactly

[spiral fable]

i personally recommend psyshock though psychic is fine

[sly mauve]

Oh and no spore on breloom is also ballsy

Other really than that I love the team

[feral dirge]

I LOVE DRAGONITE

https://pokepast.es/6fd81d7f36f83c5f

opinions/ suggestions

[rough root]

remove dragonite

[feral dirge]

i love him

[subtle rose]

only thing id change is hatt set

ur running some pretty fat stuff, no reason to have eject button hwish

just run lefties cm or lefties nuzzle 4a stuff

or ccloak hatt

[feral dirge]

thank u for suggestion, i'll try it

[subtle rose]

Id do cloak hatt or cloak corv

garg is

definitely a threat

[feral dirge]

i was gonna say i struggle with garg really bad

should i put iron head on corv? instead of bb

just to deal with garg and tera fairy garg

[subtle rose]

n not imo

u uturn out of garg anyways

[hoary scarab]

My last Pokémon was Chien-Pao…
I don’t know if I have a good idea of last Pokémon.
My idea is to put Dragonight because I don’t have a prio move now (my Chien-Pao had sucker punch + sword dance+ boots) and it can be a good sweeper when I don’t Tera other Pokemons. Also as you can see I love fast Pokémons.
Or to put Baxalibur because he can be a pretty good lead as well but I feel like the Pokémon isn’t that good, I played him like 2 months ago and it didn’t work very well.
I already know that you will probably tell me to put full SpD to Ting-Lu and to put Tauros-Paldea fire on the last Pokémon or something like that but it’s not really my play style…
Oh btw I know that my Rotom-Wash build isn’t good atm, I had 406 Spe to be faster than Chien-Pao. I will remove some and take Hp instead.
I’m very interested to see your suggestions

Tbh I never teracristalased my Glimmora so his Tera is maybe a bit random I guess

Yeah I feel like Tauros-Paldea-Fire might be the right Pokémon

With boots and why not atypical Att Spe stuff?

[buoyant prawn]

Dragonite fits well into this team

Gives you the Steel Fairy Dragon core

[hoary scarab]

Right I didn’t think about the core at first tbh ty for the comment

[hoary scarab]

I played a few games and I have a big lack of attack damage without Chien-Pao it’s a very different team…

It’s sad

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/7bb90e91042339be hmmm what could I change about this team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[valid tree]

Is my team now good?

https://pokepast.es/2cbd4045878fa081

Also, is it better to use this team:
https://pokepast.es/988158f4794289ac
Or this one:
https://pokepast.es/5dadc18f52fdbd7c

[low quarry]

https://pokepast.es/47e7596a140857bf embrassing my love for the karen bird

[dry edge]

Hey, Espathra got banned yesterday

[dry edge]

Hey, well the first team is a Natdex team and this channel is for SV OU teams. The second team is a sample which you shouldn't be resposting in this channel in particular.

[valid tree]

Oops

My opponents always best me, which means that I suck

So where do I discuss the second team?

And I posted the wrong link for the first team

Rate this team
https://pokepast.es/cd159e7abc746c35

[valid tree]

Here's the correct link
https://pokepast.es/cd159e7abc746c35

[low quarry]

NOOO

[devout mortar]

this is my Gen 9 OU team. i mainly lose to teams packing all the starters and a ceruledge/armarouge

i will preface this with the fact i made this by myself with my minimal competitive knowledge.

[agile lava]

for future refernce

u can scroll a bit down

and click upload to pokepast

pokepaste

then just send that link

[devout mortar]

alright.

would swapping glimmora for a life orb meowscarda be viable?

[peak gale]

orb meow does not sound great lol

and i prolly switch sets for garchomp

i dont like garchomp as a sweeper

[devout mortar]

any reason why?

[peak gale]

u alr have dragapult and garchomp just isnt good as a sweeper

[devout mortar]

i'd rather not choice specs/scarf it.

[peak gale]

i just dont like garchomp if its not the set up one lol

honestly id just replace the garchomp with rotom w

[devout mortar]

i'm gonna ask this a lot, and it's cause i like to have an understanding of it, rather than just be told to change it, but why?

i get garchomp is dead weight, but what does rotom w offer, yk?

[peak gale]

rotom w a good defensive pivot for ur team. looks like youre just gonna get eq spammed and lose

[valid tree]

Can someone like me who sucks become good?

[devout mortar]

eq?

[peak gale]

earthquake

ground moves in general

[devout mortar]

yeah.just practice man. learn the competitive scene.

[peak gale]

and is there a reason why u dont like choice items?

[devout mortar]

hate getting locked into a move.

[peak gale]

i think it would be better for you if you learned how to play with choice items honestly

[valid tree]

I too used to avoid them, but I learn they could be useful

[peak gale]

infiltrator and dragon darts > clear body and dclaw on dragapult aswell theres no reason to have dclaw > darts and i think infiltrator feels better than clear body

i think sash is fine, but boots might be better if youre running the ddance set

or u can use go jolly+ choice band

[devout mortar]

haven't had issues with clear body over infiltrator, but i'll use d-darts.

oh, infiltrator bypasses screens.

yeah, i'll use it.

[peak gale]

and if u wanted to use meow the only mon id put it over is mousohld

[devout mortar]

moveset idea for rotom w?

[peak gale]

willowisp hydro/surf volt switch protect

leftovers

[devout mortar]

says surf is illegal. sadge.

[peak gale]

damn i might be stupid lmfao

thought it could learn that 💀

[devout mortar]

oh well.

[peak gale]

switch tera types for garga and skeledirge aswell

water/fairy for both

whatever u prefer

or think is better

[devout mortar]

water on skel, fairy on garg, cause if they go fora grass move, it'd still be 2x.

what other options can i swap maushold for?

[peak gale]

u can try any grass type, but i think meow would just be the best

[devout mortar]

tooeasy.

sucker punch, flower trick and what else?

and i presume scarf over specs.

[peak gale]

u can do scarf or band

whichever u like more

[devout mortar]

oh, it's a phys

[peak gale]

knock off, u turn, flower trick

[devout mortar]

u-turn for sure, right?

yeah.

[peak gale]

and last move depends on what u like

play rough or sucker are the main 2

i wouldnt go sucker if u have scarf tho

[devout mortar]

yeah, play rough.

i go band.

[peak gale]

👍

[devout mortar]

so how do i bring my team up as a link?

[peak gale]

i think u go sudge wave or power gem > flash cannon on glimmora aswell

gives u a stab option

theres a button bottom left

[devout mortar]

i was runng gem, but it never came in handy.

[peak gale]

when u scroll down

[devout mortar]

yeah, just opens a new app. no link.

[peak gale]

really?

it says upload to pokepaste

[devout mortar]

opens this when i click the pokepaste button.

[peak gale]

that looks correct

lol

[sly mauve]

Im suprised bird got banned before salt did

[peak gale]

just link the website url it brought u to

[devout mortar]

none.

just opened an app.

[sly mauve]

Is the iron defense set still being used or is garg mostly just a rock setter now

[peak gale]

u can manually go to pokepaste and do it ig

just import your team

[devout mortar]

so is this a good result for now?

[peak gale]

no

like

and copy paste it into a pokepaste

[devout mortar]

i meant team-wise.

is it a good team for now?

[peak gale]

yea i like it

[devout mortar]

i'll figure out the pokepaste thing soon.

[peak gale]

just play around and adjust to your liking now

🙂

[devout mortar]

alright.

[sly mauve]

Question why glimmora

Does such a bulky team want to run a suicide lead?

[devout mortar]

yeah, i wanna drop it too.

[grizzled scarab]

https://pokepast.es/9b62057c1acdc12a what i can change here to make this team better ive wanted to try build around kingambit

[spiral fable]

i recommend curse/sleep talk instead of yawn on dozo

tera flying over steel on dengo

[hoary scarab]

I recommend you putting Covert Cloak on your Gholdengo if you don’t do it you can’t manage the salty Pokémon with this team

[grizzled scarab]

oo

alr

[hoary scarab]

Also it’s probably better to play closire with water absorb instead of unaware, you can do some cool things like countering completely Rotom-Wash and you already have an unaware Pokémon on your team

Well maybe not completely because he can trick you in you switch in and if he predicts it but then he takes black surge

[grizzled scarab]

yea but wouldnt then be clodsire my special wall

while donzo my physical wall

although yea i could possibily also mayb even wall t oxa

with water absorb

[spiral fable]

There’s nothing wrong with unaware clod

The only thing you really gain with water absorb is a harder wall to rain(which isn’t bad don’t get me wrong) and a way to completely shut down Rotom wash

If you find dozo unreliable with dealing with rain, sure swap with water absorb

But that also makes you a less reliable check against volc and dengo

[grizzled scarab]

hard to tell tbh

[spiral fable]

So it’s up to you

[grizzled scarab]

yea

[buoyant prawn]

https://pokepast.es/3deb7eedff1ab9f6 i need some new mons coz all of these are physical

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[buoyant prawn]

after the Espathra ban ive been having trouble finding good setup sweepers

[agile lava]

valiant

cm

[buoyant prawn]

that works

over what tho?

[agile lava]

hmmmmm

over maus

id also throw in

a

great tusk

max atk max speed

w eject pack

[buoyant prawn]

ok

[agile lava]

over quavo

[buoyant prawn]

aww i like quaqua

but ok

[agile lava]

ejectpack is too good

on HO

:o(

[buoyant prawn]

do i still lead with grimm?

[agile lava]

yup its basically for

ting lu setting up hazards

u scare it out

get a spin off

then CC eject pack

back out

[buoyant prawn]

eject button or eject pack?

[agile lava]

eject pack

the one that switches u out

when u cc

[buoyant prawn]

oh ok

oh thats broken

i could equip headlong rush too

whats the cm set for iv?

https://pokepast.es/15dab08667024000 how about now?

@agile lava

[agile lava]

yea that looks

good

what does pult spread live

[buoyant prawn]

wym?

like should i change the spread?

[subtle rose]

like why 56 hp

er

56 defense

[buoyant prawn]

oh

i wanted to speed creep for chien pao but now it's banned

i can change that

[frigid rose]

https://pokepast.es/3ba76bcd612b4c23

is my team good? and also what can i change

[low quarry]

https://pokepast.es/a42a37f71d286459 the only one I don't wanna get rid of is Hat

[spiral fable]

you've already got banded meow so i dont think you need cloak on amongus, i recommend tera flying over stell on dengo, and why tera fairy on wash?

[spiral fable]

why quick attack on scizor, instead of say night slash/thief

[low quarry]

uhhh

[frigid rose]

i use cloak on among to beat garg and tera fairy is to will o wisp grass and beat garchomp

[spiral fable]

i think banded meow is good enough but if you're still struggling cloak's fine

[frigid rose]

do you know any good candidates to replace among tho

[spiral fable]

among itself aint a bad mon

[frigid rose]

i’m barely using it in my games and since meow is fine then i won’t use it

[spiral fable]

but if you really want a replacement idk dozo's good

[frigid rose]

do you think my offense is struggling or no

[low quarry]

Wait thats the only thing thats wrong?

[spiral fable]

thats the most glaring thing that stood out to me

[low quarry]

oh lol

[spiral fable]

o yeah also tera type normal on scizor whats up with that

[low quarry]

I thought I made a 9/10 team lmao

[spiral fable]

it looks alright but you're in danger of getting run over by any faster banded/specced threat

like a dragapult can just go to town on this team

[spiral fable]

you've got a lot of setup sweepers which isn't bad but if you're going for ho i would recommend grim or orthworm

[frigid rose]

what answers pult?

[spiral fable]

depends on the set, but tinglu's a good general answer

[frigid rose]

ok

Thanks

[peak gale]

anyone got a hyper offense team i can use?

[spiral fable]

check ou sample teams

[peak gale]

bet

damn mb i just realized this was wrong chart

chat

[delicate shale]

Stall Goes Hard (IK Blissey kinda fell off and stuff but it can’tbe THAT bad w/o teleport): https://pokepast.es/09b8f99793bf9437

[delicate shale]

Damn

[proven hare]

I think it's good
Standard stall, though samples have Alomomola over Dondozo

You can go for Dozo

[spiral fable]

dozo just isn't that reliable on stall i find

mola's wish passing is very useful and whirpooling tusk is always great

[proven hare]

Yeah

[spiral fable]

also, nasty plot boots dengo is better generally

[proven hare]

Although Band Tusk goes nuts

[spiral fable]

most blisseys also run shadow ball over twave

other than that it looks alright

i personally run dirge over corv for unaware shenanigans but thats up to you

[proven hare]

There's Clod for that

Corv helps vs Chomp and stuff

https://pokepast.es/acf01d98022b099d

[spiral fable]

clod crumples to every phsical attacker in the tier

also dirge can 1v1 hatterene no matter what which may give you issues otehrwise

[proven hare]

Stored Power

[spiral fable]

not very common

and stored power sets are easily beat by dengo

[proven hare]

Tera Water Hatt beats both

Stored Power is run specifically for stall

[delicate shale]

Just switch

[spiral fable]

and now you've just handed every set up sweeper a free win

[delicate shale]

I am not aware of such an issue

[spiral fable]

yes, which is why i recommend dirge

[delicate shale]

Oh

Makes sense

[shut spire]

Hello friends, I was looking, but I didn't see any rules for submitting an RMT or anything like that? Just don't want to step on any toes, being new to the server

[spiral fable]

there really isn't a rule just post a sv ou team and dont be rude ig

[shut spire]

If I wrote up an RMT on the forum, would just posting the link be okay?

[spiral fable]

i think? most people post pokepastes tho

[shut spire]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ironmoon-what-will-you-do-about-the-second-one.3716067/ https://pokepast.es/172fdc547d8e9d65

[spiral fable]

team looks aight i cant see anything really standing out as bad

[shut spire]

Ah good, then all my losses are my own incompetence in battle, rather than team building haha.

[pastel salmon]

https://pokepast.es/d5222304b93877d2 yo whats up yall, built this team yesterday how does it look

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pastel salmon]

oop forgot to make the dragapult infiltrator

[spiral fable]

just run kingambit

if you're not trying to specifically build around eviolite bisharp, kingambit is just better in every way, shape, and form

[pastel salmon]

kinda knew that, just wanted to try and build a team w/ eviolite bisharp. thank you for telling me that kingambit is literally just better tho, or else i might have tried to put this mon on more teams lmao

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[graceful pivot]

https://pokepast.es/ff1f0d3f9524c251

https://pokepast.es/ff1f0d3f9524c251

[sly mauve]

Two things I personally noticed. 5/6 moms are physical meaning willo wisp rotom could give u trouble and maybe switching meow to a scarf set would allow u to have more momentum against fast shit like pult. Other than that solid

*mons

[pseudo kestrel]

can someone please tweak my team

https://pokepast.es/3803044f4660cb80

[cursive tiger]

https://pokepast.es/0155233acb3b9281

[spiral fable]

A: just run breloom over bonnet
B: tailwind just isn’t all that useful in singles so run hurricane and surf over liquidation
C: why are you running damp rock if you have no rain abusers?

[pseudo kestrel]

Can you recommend rain abusers

[spiral fable]

flotazel or greninja are the two main ones i see

or pelipper itself if you're willing to drop the rock for specs

[daring violet]

float, barraskewda and ninja are the main ones.

[supple forge]

The swift swim duck not good enough?:(

[whole raft]

https://pokepast.es/a719cb76fee158de

Could I get a rating?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[verbal wing]

https://pokepast.es/505ec2c15d289628 I don't think this team is that well so I'd really like a rating

[spiral fable]

id recommend more abusers of shed tail ie dragonite bax roaring moon, or not using orthworm because rn you;ve really got only one mon to abuse it

[fallow crag]

i dont think this is really the right team to use worm on, you would probably get more value out of valiant in that slot. i'd also look at using covert cloak on amoonguss or gholdengo (if you use it on gholdengo, i would suggest running Tera Flying)

[quick acorn]

Broke 1500 for the first time on any format with this team https://pokepast.es/4ae08d28e4557d95

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[supple forge]

B press>brick break for tusk

[quick acorn]

Brick Break > B Press for Screens, I'd rather lose a little bit of dmg to cuck Grimmsnarl especially when Earthquake does near the same damage as press anyways. The whole point of the Tusk is to be full utility defensive wall

[supple forge]

its not worth it

[cursive raptor]

https://pokepast.es/264a2a863174ec06

the only thing im thinking abt changing is tusks IVs to be fully invested in defenses

[quick acorn]

Pro Tip: Put Item on Slither Wing

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/5e163789fa0250f0 hmmm this team feels like its missing something

[flint ferry]

Very weak to acrobatics dd roaring moon, just with one dd u r getting swept. Maybe switching gholdengo with rotom wash could help but I'm not that sure either. Also dd in your own roaring moon is a better option cause you ain't clicking outrage almost always

[flint ferry]

Like switching outrage for dd

[graceful pivot]

https://pokepast.es/26d3743f8254ba1a RMT lol

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main mauve]

https://pokepast.es/c49cbc5a6d67e097

[supple forge]

greedent

oh u put it in the ou room as well

[main mauve]

y

i can probs swap out greedent but i wanted to try it out

i havent built anything cool for ou in a while

[graceful pivot]

I face many losses against tinglu

Wait not tinglu

The steel ghost

Gholdengo

[rain gyro]

yeah this team does sound pretty ghold weak

other than ting

pex eventually loses the 1v1 vs ghold on shadow ball and corviknight can't touch it at all lmao

hmmmmmm

[graceful pivot]

Garg

With tera water is the only one

[rain gyro]

true

and tinglu too

[whole raft]

https://pokepast.es/3f8848f18e614cd2

Can I get a rating?

[rain gyro]

https://pokepast.es/8959648f5c784ef2

been having some success with this but feel like it could be better

always good to ask

[spiral fable]

i would personally suggest roost or eq over outrage on roaring moon cuz you're not really hitting much with it anyways

[rain gyro]

now that you said it

that is true

i barely use it lmao

[spiral fable]

and why leftovers on quaval if you're using sd

[rain gyro]

is the a better item? + just to withstand poison

i didn't see running anything else so i was like

"oh well why not"

[spiral fable]

if you want a bulky quav, run bulk up, and if you want an all out offensive quav, run like lo

[rain gyro]

o

what'd you reccomend?

[spiral fable]

well this looks like ho so lo

[rain gyro]

yeah it's ho

[spiral fable]

also if its ho you probably want lo on gambit then

but if you think glasses is getting good use then its up to you

[rain gyro]

i'll try both

thanks for the notice tho

but other than that it's good?

[spiral fable]

bit iffy on sub pult but thats up to you really

and you have all 4 physical attackers, which can just be sat on by dozo
id recommend swapping one for a special attacker but thats up to you really

o yeah also tera flying on dengo

[rain gyro]

wait shit you're right

i'm blind

[spiral fable]

nothing feels worse than an entire team being walled by one mon

you could run like specs pult ig

[rain gyro]

i was gonna say that

lol

thanks tho

[wanton root]

if a whole team is walled by one thing

that one thing isn't going to be able to stop everything

[spiral fable]

once dengo goes down not a single mon on his team has a hope of breaking rest curse dozo

[wanton root]

I just looked at the team

it just has ho with no grimm syndrome

that and there's scarf dengo

[wanton root]

also this is kind of irrelevant on ho

bc if they have a dozo you just don't bring dengo out first

you can afford to let something die to it in order to preserve momentum by forcing it out

that being said choice items don't work on ho for that reason

bc you risk it not accomplishing as much as it needs to by locking it into a move

that being said you probably could afford to add a better offensive answer to dozo here by dropping quaq

bc quaq is quaq (mid)

[spiral fable]

booster valiant is a good choice

[wanton root]

you kinda need screens for that

bc it's too frail to set up consistently

and if they're dropping glimm dengo isn't necessary

ig they could try dropping quaq for grimm

then drop gambit for val

Still make dengo nplot

[leaden dove]

https://pokepast.es/ce4affc1b5775573 Im not good at teambuilding so yea Im trying to learn it but this team has been working decently for me

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/5e163789fa0250f0 may I get some help on this team please

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile lava]

looks good

[fallow crag]

There’s no reason to run dark clod now that Espathra is out

[green citrus]

@agile lava @fallow crag happy valentines day

[agile lava]

oh i didn’t notice

it was dark cold

clod

idk what ud change to to

tbh

[fallow crag]

Water rotom is also a bit weird

[agile lava]

still good vs hatt

[fallow crag]

You don’t beat hat tho

[agile lava]

steel rotom prob better

[green citrus]

Clod in general feels like

[fallow crag]

Steel is fine

[green citrus]

It doesnt need to be on this doesnt it

[fallow crag]

I like fairy personally

[green citrus]

I like steel/ghost on plot

On wisp fairy

[fallow crag]

Steel gets tricky when you wanna avoid the salt cure 25 proc sometimes

[buoyant prawn]

https://pokepast.es/9705c8805c637b6f im making a nacl spam team lemme know if i need to change anything

[fallow crag]

You need to not use naclstack

[buoyant prawn]

im trying to make a team around both

unless u cant help with that

[fallow crag]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that naclstack is completely unviable in the OU metagame

We don’t want to rate a team built around using a completely unviable mon

And if we were to rate it, we would replace that mon

Asking to use an unviable nfe is against the rules of the channel, I’d take this to comp general

[buoyant prawn]

ok sorry about that

[sly mauve]

What would be a good replacement for clod

[fallow crag]

Clod is fine, you should just switch Tera dark to something else like Tera water

[rose hinge]

yeah tera dark isnt needed now that espathra is gone iirc

[proven hare]

https://pokepast.es/3019af29c99cf115

[proven hare]

@agile lava if you can have a look

[agile lava]

personally

id use

tera fairy

on moth

w gleam > sludge wave

it shits on bulky offence that relies on chomp to deal w it

so hard

so ud also wanna go timid

[proven hare]

Not Energy Ball?

Gleam is a nice idea

For Chomp and Moon

But W/O Sludge Wave

Fairy Dirge is a massive problem

For this team

[agile lava]

dirge wouldn’t tera fairy if moth is alive tbf

skeledirge teams rely on it to beat moth if it’s there usually

[proven hare]

It does when it faces Moon

Which I have on this team

[agile lava]

hmm idk

most of my teams w tera dirge

are built knowing

moths paired w a dark type

hydra /

rmoon

i usually never have to tera fairh to deal w it

cuz then i autolose to moth

but

if u think it’s better than eball u can drop that too

[proven hare]

So doesn't your Dirge lose to them? Or you just switch out to a Dark resist?

[agile lava]

yea

i switch out

it’s hard to fit moth answers when u already have a dirge

cuz that’s supposed to be it

[upbeat elk]

https://pokepast.es/23c567e225a2bf08 thoughts?

[eager tinsel]

nuzzle is just better than thunder wave on hatt

[spiral fable]

if you want a super powerful breaker run bax
nasty plot over twave on dengo
dont really recommend healing wish on hatt but if you want that its fine, but definitely nuzzle over twave

[sonic birch]

https://pokepast.es/c1e2bc74a5f98c81 silly little team dedicated to making polteageist work

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat elk]

what would recommend on hatt over healing wish also what would a bax set look like to fit this team

[green citrus]

Polteagheist rn is used a lot on psyspam builds that stack like

Sash sweepers

This team is kind of a mix of orthworm offence but alsp balance

[void briar]

https://pokepast.es/5a959f00f95ba23d

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[void briar]

I am a noob in need of assistance

[sonic birch]

Yeah I've seen people use Psy terrain indeedee with it before and stuff

[void briar]

Can someone please rate my team?

[fallow crag]

Your team feels sorta

Random?

Also I would suggest using more standard sets until you get a better feel for building, you can find sets on smogon’s strategy pokedex

Sash cat is on HO and runs taunt/spikes/tspikes/leaf storm with overgrow

You would want HDB on that set

Pex should probably be infestation > baneful

Electric gholdengo isn’t a set, Tera fighting focus is better

You should look at dex sets for the rest of the mons

[void briar]

I use it for dozo, but I haven't had a chance to test it against dozo

[fallen shale]

https://pokepast.es/ca07b02736482dac

Rmt

[spiral fable]

don't run hurricane on sun lol

air slash if you want flying stab, or solar beam if you just want coverage in general

[fallen shale]

Figured it might come useful

Should sun run out

[whole raft]

https://pokepast.es/ca2bfc4b40caa39a
Could I get a rating?

[spiral fable]

If you’re not particularly attached to brute bonnet just run breloom

[rose hinge]

https://pokepast.es/d2f7f09b25838940

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose hinge]

roaring moon team

i know having hydrieogn and moon together is probably ass

but dreigon can help kill bozo and dirge and is also a good offensive rocker

meowscarada can pivot and remove items

dengo can keep up hazards

moth can clean up pretty easily

corv is removal

[fair berry]

https://pokepast.es/78949c71306c471f

thoughts?

(gen8 ou by the way)

any feedback is greatly appreciated :]

[subtle rose]

blaziken set is bad, u lose hard to any electric offensively

[fair berry]

really? sure, its been kind of hard to get blaziken going but once i could it was damn good

how should i fix it?

[subtle rose]

u just run standard swords dance

why boost

by +1

when u cna boost by +2

?

[fair berry]

true..

anything else?

[subtle rose]

the structuring is weird

u have

physdef pex corv

and then u lose to

lele

[fair berry]

never in my life have i seen anyone use lele

which is pretty weird

[subtle rose]

Ur too low on ladder then

[fair berry]

i guess thats true

i think im around 1050?

[sly mauve]

Yes

[sly mauve]

Tried building a rain team, generally pretty new to competitive.
https://pokepast.es/f8b13eb35358c633

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

orthworm doesn't really work well with this team

the only mon that can really use the sub is azumarill

[sly mauve]

It seems generally nice for switch ins but I see your point.

[ocean ledge]

https://pokepast.es/9a89fc80c61cb3d7

Any nd goers

[supple forge]

Not the right place for nd