Breacher Rework

[steady kernel]

Being able to use the shotgun for long range encounters via slugs is a very cool idea

[proven harbor]

my brother in christ, the breacher class is incredibly well balanced. if you are having problems with it, you arent playing it right.

the sniper and militia both have the colt 1911 as a sidearm, the colt being the most powerful sidearm in the game, and what do you mean by unique sidearms

why is it a problem?

also, i feel as though i have much purview on this topic, seeing as i play breacher the most, it being my highesg level class at level 102, and i can say that the breacher class is balanced

removing the sidearm literally goes against your main argument that the breacher doesnt have good range. the shotgun has decent range, and if you are too far away, simply get closer, and if you cant do that, then you have a sidearm for that purpose. theres no point in removing a preexisting solution to add in a different one

and the class is naturally balanced because of the short range, thats what the challenge is, if it had long range it would be too overpowered

you still seem to forget that shotguns are literally designed to be high powet at close range

i mean everwhere

also, what makes you think that you have the right to: 1. talk on a subject you have no experience on
2. try and completely redesign somebody elses work because you are struggling with it
3. call the dev team lazy because you think you know better

i take offense because you barged into this server, began making huge claims on something you know nothing about, and then insulted the dev team

and who are you to determine how the class was designed to be played? you arent the the one who created it

im not taking this personally at all

in not even upset

i actually find this quite entertaining

you seem to want me to be taking it personally

yes, and i am allowed to propose a counterclaim

im not offended lol

im not

i see you have turned to insults

not helping your case

and hes still going

you can keep it up for as long as you want, your just gonna keep giving me evidence

oh? then what did you mean to imply when you said "slap on a sidearm and call it a day"

then why didnt you say that?

it didnt offend me

but it implied an insult to the devs

and so i notified you of your error

im simply responding to you with evidence, not sure how that is me focusing on it

i was reminding you of what you said

the point being?

again, the shortcoming in question is not as large as you say

if you cant hit them, move closer

again, the whole point of the breacher is that its a shotgun. close range

you shouldnt be able to use a shotgun as a sniper rifle

so now you are saying that it should be better at close range?

it already has good midrange

what the actual fuck are you smoking dude?

pick something to argue on and stick with it

this is ridiculous

im not trying to insult you, but this is just asinine

you say after you literally just were

so then why did you say you think it needs to be better up close?

IT IS! THATS WHY YOU THINK IT NEEDS BETTER RANGE! BECAUSE ITS BETTER UP CLOSE

brutha

how about you go reread this whole conversation, and pay close attention to the things YOU say

oh really

then why do you have a problem

if you believe that it should excel at close range, which it already does, then why do you feel like it needs to have more range?

and like i said, it already has good mid range

and i will say it again, the shotgun already has these traits

and to back up my point that you dont have enough experience, in the original post you explicitly admitted that you have only played a couple runs

you literally admitted to not having much experience

im not gloating about anything, im just provided even more evidence that you have no idea what the hell your talking about

and you cant seem to come up with any arguments other than that it doesnt have decent mid range, and i have said many times that it does

im not saying you cant suggest this

you dont seem to realize that suggestions are meant to be debated about

and why should it? its a shotgun, not a rifle

it is meant to be different from other guns

yes, an astute observation

your point?

if all you want is slugs, you can just request them to add slugs

you dont need to try and change anything else

i know what a slug is

its not, i just dont understand why you think the pistol needs to be removed

or why you think the shotgun needs to have long range

so with that logic, every classes sidearm would have to be removed

this class is very balanced, if not the most balanced

and the beauty of it is that it is balanced in a natural way

your avoiding my statement

reread what i said

your ignoring the first part

you dont understand just how strong it is

mosy likely due to a lack of experience

ill tell you what, play breacher some more, get used to it, max out the weapons and abilities, and then maybe ill take you seriously

thats where you are wrong

the scout and assault have ridiculous amounts of kickback, id say they are the two least balanced classes

theres no point in having an automatic weapon if you have to use it like a semi automatic rifle at medium and far range

two runs?

no wonder you dont know shit

have you even upgraded anything?

again, i have the class maxed out, i know its full potential and capabilities

and i know how it is before you upgrade thinfs

you are really focusing on trying to call me out for gloating, and you keep avoiding the fact that you have barely spent any time at all with this class

so because YOU dont think its fun, the developers need to change it entirely?

i will ask again, have you upgraded anything?

once again, not saying you arent allowed to suggest things. and once again, suggestions are meant to be debated

what tarot cards do you use with the class?

what attachents?

then why are you so opposed to me debating it?

i did not say that

i said "i have maxed out the class, and i know its full potential and capabilites"

then i believe i have won, because you were not able to come up with a claim that i could not defuse

i proud of you for finally realizing that you were going in circles

wdym

you do realize that almost the entire thread is me responding to you?

you are the one who kept continuing the discussion

then why did you keep giving me things to answer?

alright

but if this one gets deleted ill have to rewrite my opinion again

why so serious?