avatar-dynamics

[junior prairie]

so must be bool

No clue if that fixes it but C# is strictly typed

[lofty walrus]

but not what vrc needs

[junior prairie]

no maybe change it to INT instead od bool

[torn tendon]

Nah make it an Int

I am now only realizing converting physbones by hand and having to reduce it soon for quest compatibility will be a pain...

[junior prairie]

tbh no clue how this parameter is propagated to the anim controllers 🤔

[torn tendon]

Mechanim things, bitfield 01 =! true and bitfield 00 =! false

[rich blaze]

Where can i report a bug in avatar dynamics?

[torn tendon]

remove headpat from the Parameters in that Layer

and then readd it

Do the same for every state change that calls for it

[near violet]

Where do I find the new phys bones?

[torn tendon]

Unity is saying the instance doesnt exist

[harsh copper]

Please, can someone tell me. Can we animate physbone sliders or not?

[torn tendon]

So get it to the point it DOESNT say that and press play

[rich blaze]

Install the new SDK and they will become avalible

[torn tendon]

Then readd it

Yeah

[near violet]

@rich blaze thats what i did what are they called?

[torn tendon]

it should clear those states

[rich blaze]

Phys bone.

[near violet]

I cant seem to find them when putting them under an armature

[junior prairie]

am gonna try this myself because docs are vrchat docs quality as usual

[devout star]

Just as a quick question, what happens if your model is using PhysBones but others are using the legacy option in-game to view Dynamic Bone?

[torn tendon]

remove states

[rich blaze]

Have you added any?

[torn tendon]

the conditions

not the transitions

[near violet]

No cause I cant find it lol

[rich blaze]

Click that button and search bone, they should come up

[near violet]

Yeah i did

and searched up phys

and all i get is phys raycaster

[rich blaze]

Do you have Pumpkins avatar tools intalled?

[near violet]

yeah

[rich blaze]

Delete it

[near violet]

huh?

[rich blaze]

I had the same, it breaks stuff for some reason

[near violet]

but i need it to copy everything over

oh ok

[rich blaze]

Pumpkin made a new one, that one does work. The old one breaks everything

[near violet]

can i have the link to the newer one

[rich blaze]

Sure gimmy a sec

[junior prairie]

Okay so my setup works @wicked lava

I do get the same warning but it still works

[near violet]

@rich blaze Do I have to redo all the dynamic bones or will it transfer

[rich blaze]

It will have an auto conversion in the new SDK, but it isnt that great.

[near violet]

so just redo everything

fine by me

thank uuu

[rich blaze]

I sent you an invite to Pumpkins server btw

That has all the info, download links and such

Once you delete the old Pumpkin tool unity will either continue with an import process or you gotta drag the SDK on the project again to make it import it again, after that stuff should work.

[junior prairie]

The gesture layer is for bone animations

visemes go into FX

just for future reference

The network do have some delay, maybe it is worse on your end?

[tawdry bluff]

Go to the official VRC canny, you can upvote this issue so it might get moved forward!
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1187-small-bones-no-longer-move-at-all-with-physbones

[rich blaze]

Anyone know where i can report bugs?

[tawdry bluff]

I was in a room full of people last night and it never triggered for any of them unless I activated it myself. It always triggered on my end, even if they activated it

Pretty sure it's bugged

[eternal venture]

the canny

[rich blaze]

Cuz after fiddeling with the sliders from Phys bones for a bit in play mode they just stop working. I can set them all to max or zero yet they dont respond

[rich blaze]

Oki, thankyou

[wet rune]

That video is me and well, me. Plus other things. Come through in half a second round trip. I think what's happening is the regular parameter sync system and the one for this are fighting so I need to resolve that.

[wispy sapphire]

#open-beta-info

[wet rune]

Need to take a break for now though I think. I've been fiddling with this all night and need some sleep. o.z

[median stream]

I was wondering if anyone else was having troubles with Lyuma's 3.0 emulator for phys bones? I cannot seem to get this thing to let me test grabbing parts in it.

[junior prairie]

I see, i do have some delay on my end with the receiver as well

[formal raven]

refering to a previous question is it possible to animate the gravity slider?

[tawdry bluff]

Pretty sure someone specifically stated earlier that their gravity is animated

[formal raven]

cause in practice it's only set to max value?

[sage mist]

why is my avatar hand is freaking out

[paper kestrel]

Sorry for late reply, but that's very kind! Cause I do have an avi that I want phys bones on ^^

[formal raven]

the min value doesnt getregistered

[tacit stirrup]

what's the limit for quest dynamics?

[bronze tree]

no worries : D

[summer hollow]

How the hell do people have avatars with 3000+ collision checks on physbones already?

In instances like this, it feels actually... roughly the same as dynamic bones.

[harsh copper]

because they had 10k+ checks with dynamic bones

[formal raven]

hmm, having issues trying to increase the gravity on my tongue by gesture weight

[harsh copper]

this community is beyond lazy and irresponsible dont expect much more

[formal raven]

it doesnt seem to increase past its idle state?

[harsh copper]

yeah does anyone know if we can animate physbone settings? Animating them doesnt seem to change anything at runtime

[formal raven]

apparently someone did but not sure how

unless just swap out the scrips turning one off and the other on

[harsh copper]

that would be awful

[formal raven]

seems like the only plausable work around atm

yeah...

[harsh copper]

I mean the script can handle being changed at runtime

at least adjusting it manually works

I dont see why animations wouldnt work

[formal raven]

yeah

would like my blep anim to raise the weight so my tongue hangs out without the clipoing while its animation out the mouth on float

[barren wraith]

how can i try the grab thing on unity? i'm lost and trying now the phys

[formal raven]

cause even 0 weight

[formal raven]

use the game window

you can clid drag in there

[barren wraith]

thanks ❤️

[formal raven]

one thing i noticed too is the contacts cant be tested in unity in runtime

only if the senders/rec's are in the AOI at the start

[harsh copper]

how can we test animation controllers that use a physbone parameter?

[formal raven]

same kinda way

[harsh copper]

basically I set it up so stretching a bone drives a shape key in my FX controller

but IDK how to test that in unity

[median stream]

I've been having troubles with this too

no idea how to test out dragging or anything like that

lyuma's 3.0 emulator doesn't work with this

[harsh copper]

yeah that was my first idea but it doesnt seem to work

[formal raven]

the game window allows for the bone manip and should work so long as the controller is on the avatar

so during say a streach, it should activate the neccisary params

[median stream]

nope does not do this for me

[harsh copper]

yup same here. Doesnt work

[lofty walrus]

@tropic thorn Sorry, I dont understand what you are asking for "Or, ideally, can you post the ID of this avatar using PB?" Consider me a layman

[harsh copper]

increase the max stretch

than it should be stretchable as long as its grabbable

[sage mist]

does anyone know how to fix my arm glitching it due to the new physic bone

[torn tendon]

Who’s joe

[fringe iron]

keep getting this when trying to upload for quest. PC works fine

[noble ivy]

do the new physbones automatically make quest avatars too low quality to use as a fallback or do i just have too many?

[sleek tangle]

Is there any info on pc/quest desync for bone grabbing?? Players can't see me grabbing my goggles on the opposite platform and i'm kinda big sad about it
Do the armatures need to match 1:1? I removed extra bones that are not needed on quest but it's identical otherwise.

I saw someone else bringing this up earlier but I don't think there was anything concrete figured out

[steel thistle]

I'm trying to figure this out too.
One plan is removing unnecessary physbones components and have armature unaltered.

[sleek tangle]

That's what I'm about to try as a test. I'll have to update if that has any effect but I can't make any promises :/

it's frustrating since all the hierarchy paths are the same

[steel thistle]

There is another case I want to test too. Like having the component on each chain on PC, opposing from having one component on root object for quest.

[sleek tangle]

ooh true

[civic cedar]

(Not sure if this is the right channel) any example guides created yet for how contact receiver/senders work? Having some issue connecting the dots using the documentation alone.

[bronze tree]

anyone know how to make it flow smooth when the avatar goes up and down?

[foggy forge]

Try deleting the vrcsdk and vrcsdk.meta files when unity is closed and import the package again

[rich blaze]

How can i make bones grabable? And how can i check that in unity like grabbing it with your mouse or something cuz i saw a friend do that

[round shuttle]

Hi, I wanted to know why the animation for grabbing my sword is not direct ?

[rich blaze]

Dont think you can, Phys bones dont have all the features Dynamic bones have.

[bronze tree]

you go into play mode and then into game mode, there you can grab and pull and see how it looks.

[rich blaze]

I suspected thats how it works, but i still cant do it, which means the grabbing probably isnt enabled.

[bronze tree]

there is a grab option than needs to be checked in ur phys bones settings

[willow sand]

So we are basically forced to update to physbones, because all my avatars appear broken to everbody who has them active.
My 1st question would be: why is the opt out not per avatar + visible for everybody ? (like: disable physbone conversion for avtar X and everybody sees it disabled fore only this avatar)
Disabling them globally + local for the user makes really no sense!

On the other hand I cant convert my projects because the new SDK is only throwing tons of exceptions.

Any ideas ?

[bronze tree]

i had this problem as well! i deleted my pumpkin tool from the unity project and after that my sdk worked fine, so maybe there is some stuff that needs to be deleted

[lofty walrus]

pumpkin WILL break on the new sdk

[open kettle]

Question: On a quest avatar, if I put more than 8 Physbones Component, the physbones just don't work ingame?

[willow sand]

Yes you are right! I had to remove pumpkin to make it load at all. Now it loads and I see the VRC SDK dialogue - but there are still many errors in the console. Dont you have them ?

[rich blaze]

So i enabled grabbing, but i still cant grab it

any idea why this is happening or how to fix it? Cuz im lost

[bronze tree]

hmm i didnt have any errors after deleting pumpkin tool whats the errors its still giving at the moment?

[bronze tree]

do you have grab movement set to something above 0? maybe that does the trick?

[iron relic]

Ensure you have a a radius in Collision > Radius, as that's what people grab in the VRC Phys Bone (Script)

[willow sand]

see my screenshot from above

Also my avatar went to "very poor" after converting to PhysBones ... that's a joke really. They are even supposed to be more performant ...

Seriously ... fuck the PhysBones update

[sour goblet]

I am trying to make an animation play when I put my fists together.
I am trying to use the VRC Contact Receiver for this but I cannot get it to work in unity.
How would I fix this?
is there some kind of way to emulate avatar dynamics in unity?

[tidal heath]

there is an updated pumpkin's tools that works on the newest sdk but yeah unless you update it, it will break

[bronze tree]

Are all errors still there after deleting pumpkin tool ?

[willow sand]

yes

[tidal heath]

if you have the avatar emulator then it needs to be updated as well or it throws errors

[bronze tree]

Then I have no idea

[willow sand]

I completly removed Pumpkin @tidal heath

[bronze tree]

Maybe remove lyuma is that’s in your project ?

[tidal heath]

I was talking about Lyuma

[willow sand]

I mean it says Unity dependencies are missing ! The math lib

[tidal heath]

that should have installed itself with the sdk so thats odd

[rich blaze]

That fixed it, thank you❤️

[rich blaze]

Can agree, its lagging the hell out of unity play mode, sometimes just stops working forcing you to restart playmode, misses features, its just a shitshow honestly.

[rich blaze]

It was the coliders but thank you for your help anyway❤️

[bronze tree]

Glad you figured it out ! : D

[crisp valve]

can someoen help me hwo to add physboens on vroid avatars

[steel thistle]

Does "reload sdk" menu work?

[rich blaze]

I do have to say, that if they fix it this, then it will be better then dynamic bones, cuz grabbing and it being free.

[paper kestrel]

What are the type of phys bones? I know there is a grab and pull one and the one thatmoves upon movement, but what else?

[willow sand]

Last night, the bones on most of my friends were messed up / broken. Disabled the auto-converison ... then I figured out its only locally for me so everybody still sees me broken xD

[crisp valve]

can someone help me

[rich blaze]

Reimport the SDK, that should work. If not, delete the SDK folder and reimport then.

[rich blaze]

Its all one bone, just different checkboxes ticked on or off

[rich blaze]

Yea it autoconverts unless you have the local setting to view it unconverted

[paper kestrel]

I see, can you have 8 of each or 8 just phys bones[no matter what type]?

[steel thistle]

Not me btw. It's the person I replied to

[willow sand]

dont u think it make more sense to disable it per avatar (on those which are broken) ? And also for everbody because other people can not be bothered to judge if my avatar looks normal like that or not ^^

[crisp valve]

;<

[rich blaze]

Yep, i currently have a tail on my model that can be grabbed/pulled, responds to movement and stretches

[paper kestrel]

8 of each checkbox?

[rich blaze]

Later, yes, but right now EVERY avatar is going to be broken until its reuploaded, so in about a week i think a lot of creators will have fixed their models and then you can judge them individually, right now its gonna be to much work in my opinion

[steel thistle]

It's just up to vrchat team to adjust auto conversion to be less broken. Can't tell if it's a plan for them.

[rich blaze]

Nah, a single component can controll a whole string of bones, so the first bone of my tail has the component linked to it, and the rest is controlled by the same component.

[willow sand]

Ok I did that: removed SDK, reimport, restart, clicked "reload SDK" .. but this one error will persist :3

[crisp valve]

can someone please help me

[paper kestrel]

Oooh so you must have 8 starting points, and everything else needs to be "linked" to that point? As long as it is 8 or less

[steel thistle]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones

[rich blaze]

No, hold up i will sent a pic

[paper kestrel]

Okay tyt

[crisp valve]

i will read it ty

[rich blaze]

This one tab you see open controls the whole tail. It has a bunch of settings, like the "allow grabbing" and "allow posing", is those are ticked on for this one component, every bone of the tail will become grabbable/posable

[paper kestrel]

Okay I see

[rich blaze]

the "tail1" is the parent bone of all the other tail bones, and all the child bones copy the parent bones settings essentially. If you start using curves and such then you can alter it more accurately and change things in the child bones that are different from the parent bone, but in a nutshell this is how it works

Also fun thing: Because all the child bones copy the parents, if you link the root bone of the mode (often the hip) to the component, everything linked to the hip goes floppy cuz they are all copies of the parent. (atleast in Dynamic bones it did that)

[paper kestrel]

So the main bone can have smaller ones for better movement

[rich blaze]

No, they are connected like a rope, all following the first bone

ignore the curves and stuff for now, i dont fully understand them either

[paper kestrel]

Eeh?

So it's then just 1 phys bone with more parts if I understand correctly 🤔

[rich blaze]

Yes, one Phys bone object can controll up to 265 armature bones i think.

[paper kestrel]

Okay so 1 phys bones can have 265[somewhere] components? Or parts

[torn tendon]

How do I make it so the power cord on the back of my avatar's head doesn't go through the head when I move?

[paper kestrel]

Or sections?

[steel thistle]

It's physbones component though

[bronze tree]

add a head collider

[rich blaze]

Its like a fuse box, each fuse is like a phys bone component, if you pull 1 fuse, part of the house goes dark cuz thats where its assigned to. This works the same, you assign a Phys bone component to a bone and that bone and all its children will then be controlled by the component. If you turn it off, the bone and all of its children turn off.

[torn tendon]

Like this? https://gyazo.com/de0174b17921337ae06b94d3aeb045d3 (sorry for the ping btw. forgot to turn of the ping button)

[paper kestrel]

Also do you need to download phys bones for unity to add them?

[rich blaze]

No, they come with the newest SDK

[paper kestrel]

Aaa

[torn tendon]

why is my interactions not working, even if i added a phys bones component

[bronze tree]

yes ! in the phys bone you can then add this collider so it collides with the head collider and it shouldnt go through (:

[scarlet marsh]

How do you get into the Open Beta stuff on Quest?

[bronze tree]

do you have a radius added to collider?

[torn tendon]

radius?

ohhhhhh

that's why

goddang stupid me

[bronze tree]

yes ! apparently thats what people grab (:

[torn tendon]

thank you very much btw

[bronze tree]

no worries (:

[scarlet marsh]

I want to know how to update to Open Beta on the Quest 2?

[steel thistle]

You don't need to. Avatar dynamic is live now.

[scarlet marsh]

oh

[sour goblet]

I am trying to make an animation play when I put my fists together using the VRC Contact Receiver for this but I cannot get it to work in unity.
How would I fix this?
is there some kind of way to emulate avatar dynamics in unity?

[torn tendon]

oh no, why can't i see it in my pov?

[strange warren]

hey boys

do you need to put a phys collider on your hands to be able to touch the phys bones? like you had to do with dynamic bones

[swift sentinel]

I didn't do it, and I can touch dem bones... (provided they don't have 0 radius)

[torn tendon]

How do I add the collider? https://gyazo.com/f5ba8743cde4f26c3b3835276509ca0b

[bronze tree]

change the size to one and hit enter and then select or drag ur head in the first option (:

[torn tendon]

I changed the size to 1 and a new option appeared https://gyazo.com/26f47f078201be22ce62756e6b85c612

[bronze tree]

yes in element you drag your head from ur armature on the left

[torn tendon]

okey!

hello i have a problem i had a skin from a person except that i can't do the dance to do a backflip how do you use it?

[gritty valley]

if u can find a tutorial or video or just how to do this lmk pls

[deep cosmos]

Do I need to buy dynamic bones to use physbones?

[gritty valley]

i got enough to make my avatar using it

[brave bear]

It's might be because your bones are too small

[steel thistle]

You don't need to

[orchid silo]

Does anybody have a fix or workaround for the bug of phys bones getting stuck in place due to animation to toggle the component on and off. to be more specific, I have two game objects changing which root bones im using for my jogger draw strings, they switch depending on if the shirt is on or off, if the shirt is off, then i turn it back on, the top part of the draw strings get stuck in place clipping through the shirt, most of my avatars have features like this so most of them are broken now, I really love the new phys bones its amazing but im really hoping the team is aware of this issue

[torpid sphinx]

soo uhm im confused about the parameters, how do i set a value from the (parameter)_angle so the avatar knows when to play a animation?

[sour goblet]

I am trying to make an animation play when I put my fists together using the VRC Contact Receiver for this but I cannot get it to work in unity.
How would I fix this?
is there some kind of way to emulate avatar dynamics in unity?

[calm owl]

Type word in blank box, it becomes word_angle

[torpid sphinx]

i know but how do i set it up so when somebody moves my hair it plays an animation

like i know how to create bool toggles and floats for color change but this one is confusing me

to explain more i want to play a sound when the angle is being changed

[torpid sphinx]

if u have a picture for me of the setup i would be thankful because i only know how isgrabbed works and not the other one

[noble ivy]

quick question about bones for physbones. i got hair and chest working already and now want to do my skirt. but i kinda forgot a step in blender and now my armature looks like this:

is there a way to parent the right leg skirt bones in unity or do i have to go back to blender?

[calm owl]

Yeah feel free to just right click the pipko alt outfit and unpack, itll let you reorder in scene. Or just click what the error says and itll open up the prefab editor. Be sure to drag it back into the assets folder to make a new prefab

[noble ivy]

actually i CAN'T fix it in blender, CATS won't even see the bones as parentable

in unity? i'll try that. how do i add the middle bone (like L SKirt Parent in the example) that they will be parented to?

cool that i can do

[calm owl]

Theres a behavior one can add to an animator state called Vrc Avatar Parameter Driver that sets values.

[wicked spear]

Hello, Is this where i get phys bone help?

[tacit stirrup]

what is the limit for phys bones etc for quest? is it really bad?

[short narwhal]

8 components and 64 transforms

[grizzled copper]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[valid topaz]

How might I achieve this? Afaik if only using a single parameter when the button is pressed, the parameter will go back to off state when the button is released

[torpid sphinx]

im still confused sowwy ;_;

[mellow citrus]

You should be able to right click on avatar, unpack prefab and drag them to where you want. I'd test this of course before publishing, but it's something I've done before in Unity2018.

[wicked spear]

I'm trying to create a boop animation for an avatar. I've followed multiple tutorials and from what I can tell its all right but It just wont work.

its like the receiver wont activate the peramater

[upbeat pewter]

How might I make an object toggle with the contacts?

[simple elk]

contact parameter > parameter driver set something active, touch contact again tell it to be off with parameter driver

[lofty walrus]

Parent them manually in blender

[mellow citrus]

Okay, I can't FOR THE LIFE OF ME figure out how to fix this physbones issue without having to change the root transform. Any insight will be greatly appreciated. This is the only avatar I use and I REALLY don't want it to be scuffed.

[vapid narwhal]

uhhhh.... the tail needs to be at a WAY different angle. anyone else having this issue?

[torn tendon]

when uploading an avatar, do we need to import dynamic bones still? and is physbones automatic like dynamic bones or will we have to set up everything?

[simple elk]

only needed if you are converting old dyn to phys otherwise not needed in project

[torn tendon]

okay thank you, does it auto put it in or will i have to everything individual?

[mellow citrus]

To my understanding, if the avatar already has DB, you need to import them. You can auto convert..
If you need to add physbones, you have to add them manually, however, I think there are tools on gumroad you can buy to make things more automatic.

[simple elk]

is animated on ?

[vapid narwhal]

Using physbones btw

[snow marlin]

Oh my, he is just happy to see someone

😄

[vapid narwhal]

its a girl

lol

[mellow citrus]

there is a tail wag animation, but it shouldn't make the tail go into the avatar.

[simple elk]

physbone requires is animated to be on , or it goes abit blergh

[torn tendon]

could you link me some?

[simple elk]

(only if it actually animates)

[snow marlin]

There's the sdk auto conversion tool

[mellow citrus]

isanimated is checked on

[simple elk]

you should put that animation in gesture tho (its own layer) , not adding another animator

[vapid narwhal]

I will auto convert mine to see if i can fix the tail issue

Will that fix it though??

[snow marlin]

shrug

Try it

[mellow citrus]

this was a 2.0 avatar from a long time ago. I upgraded to 3.0 a few months ago.
I removed the animation and it looked better. I'll add it to the layer now and see if it's good. Thank you :3
Edit: seems to have worked!

[valid topaz]

Could you possibly elaborate on this a tad?

[toxic birch]

@mellow citrus are your angle limits correct, i would also say to do them with a curve. so the base of the tail cant rotate into the body
https://i.imgur.com/deedjlu.png

like this

[mellow citrus]

I think that worked too, thanks!

[simple elk]

exsample, whenever that is touched -> tells fx - m1 is being touched - parameter driver set a bool to true > enable object, next time it get touched > parameter driver change the bool to false > disable object

[civic dagger]

Does anyone have a link to the tool that does better auto conversion for Physbones?

[vapid narwhal]

ayyyy autoconverting worked

oop it looks like gravity was the issue nevermind

[valid topaz]

Alright I think I understand. How many layers would be utilized?

[turbid ridge]

How do I rotate the phys bones to match up with the ears?

[fringe basin]

Blender

[dusty saddle]

I'm a bit at a loss here 😄 Anyone that can explain why only the end-bone moves by the rules?

[simple elk]

eeeh you wanna fix that in blender, end lenght can move somewhat

[simple elk]

your bones are too small

go merge em

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1187-small-bones-no-longer-move-at-all-with-physbones

[dusty saddle]

Oof, alright. Thanks for the quick response!

[simple elk]

if i see a radius 0.00x its usually too small

[willow sand]

so is this a "feature" that bones get stuck mid air sometimes ? It looks like they were placed by posing, but posing is off and I am in unity ... lol

they get stuck in VRC too

[turbid ridge]

The ear bones are positioned correctly in blender

[mellow citrus]

It's most likely your head collider if you have one. That's been an issue on every avatar I've looked at so far.

[finite plume]

So im confused as hell, I have him ALL set up. Android says nothing about being limited. I upload him on Android/Quest and NOTHING is moving. I'm guessing thats a glitch going on atm ?

[turbid ridge]

In Unity they look like this for some reason

[toxic birch]

even on the base normal armature before the phys bones?

[little owl]

add another bone at the end. Blender doesn't export bone endpoints so if you just positioned the tips of the bones at the tips of the ears, unity doesn't know anything about that

[dawn sonnet]

Quest got them limitations.

[dry panther]

For the greater good

[valid topaz]

What might the layer for this in the animator window look like?

[finite plume]

Yeah bbut the SDK would TELL you if I need to delete stuff and it hasnt

[willow sand]

deleted call colliders. Only de default avatar descriptor colliders are there

[willow sand]

Ok I also disabled the head collider from the avatar descriptor. Still it gets stuck in the air! That shit completely broken sorry

They just get stuck like that ... no matter which settings you use. Only of you set "pull" to a really high value which basically kills dynamic movement by holding them in place - then I get rid of that bug

[finite plume]

I'm so confused only 15 Phys bone components and nothing moves on quest x.x-

[mellow citrus]

You can only have 8 components for Quest.

[finite plume]

Then why doesnt the SDK TELL me that x,x;

[mellow citrus]

Does anything still show when you drop down on the tiny colliders section in the script?

[dawn sonnet]

#announcements basically tells you.

[mellow citrus]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system It's this page.

[simple elk]

sdk tells

[toxic birch]

i mean it tells me aswell

[valid topaz]

What does “synced Avatar Parameter list” mean

[snow marlin]

Put a little gravity in it

I wonder if your hair has weird rolls in blender or something

[willow sand]

NICE, and now they crashed unity when hitting play mode. 2h of work gone.

[snow marlin]

save

[willow sand]

This feature is pre-alpha mature

[fallow nacelle]

hey so i used dynamic bones and i know they automatically convert into physbones, but, in the document it said you'd still be able to interact with them (collide and stuff), even when others interact with you, but it doesn't happen for me?? i have done so everybody can interact with me and stuff, what am i doing wrong?

[little owl]

they still need a collision radius, they probably don't have that if you can't touch them

[civic halo]

Hello!~
I'm adding bones to my avatars tongue and it clips through the mouth when it wiggles.
I was wondering if anyone could help me fix it?

[fallow nacelle]

how do i fix that then?

[wicked spear]

These pop up when I try to upload. I cannot for the life of me find what its talking about. Any ideas?

[toxic birch]

https://i.imgur.com/Tyyr1sG.png

this thing

[little owl]

if you uploaded the avatar yourself, just add a collision radius. If not, there's nothing you can do

[fallow nacelle]

no, i mean if i still use dynamic bones, is there a way to fix it? (without the physbones script)

[mellow citrus]

did you import dynamic bone scripts?

[wicked spear]

Yeah but I took all of them off

I guess i'll look agian

[little owl]

collision radius is exactly the same between physbones and dynamic bones

you don't need to convert to physbones to add it

[fallow nacelle]

well i already have collision radius thing

[little owl]

no you don't

the fact that you see those white sticks means they don't have a collision radius

if they did, there would be a thick blue region around the sticks

[fallow nacelle]

what do the settings look like in the original dynamic bone things then

so i can fix

[fallow nacelle]

ohhhh

thank you

[wicked spear]

Turns out I missed a couple. THank you

[valid topaz]

What is this

[stiff prairie]

https://x.themrgong.xyz/zNU1.mp4
this

[valid topaz]

Thank you

[toxic birch]

oh thats what it is

[valid topaz]

So the parameter the contact thing uses only needs to be defined in the animator or w/e it called

[dusty ridge]

ok sorry for me but i getting mad now you new sdk brake every singal one of my avis non will let me upload them

it keeps spitting out this nonsense and creating a prefab ive tryed uploading 3 avis now and its broke each one of them updating the sdk ive tyed puting it in a new project as well it still breaks

[mellow citrus]

what other errors are in the console?

[mellow citrus]

you have script compile errors. I'm not familiar with this issue entirely, but it looks like maybe you have duplicate sdk scripts?
you did try starting a new project that was completely empty, right?

[simple elk]

remove pumkin tools

[dusty ridge]

ok

[formal raven]

having a weird issue with toggled physbones

when grabbed they freak out

[simple elk]

There is a newer pumkin tools, but it requires you have dynamic bone or it will break

[dusty ridge]

my god you a wizord

thank you

so mutch

[azure sinew]

So when i put phys bones on a game object it doesnt seem to affect any of the childrens in that gameobject? Is that something thats going to be fixed?

I mean empty not game object

[amber karma]

Anyone figure out a way to 'shrink'(stretch inwards) a phys bone? or stretch a phys bone without having someone grab it (to allow it to decrease in stretch)? [to be clear, i mean decrease the distance between 2 bones, instead of increasing it like when you stetch it]

[rugged badger]

Looks like it's not currently possible to animate gravity of a physbone. This used to be possible with dynamic bones, making it possible to put gravity on a slider, but now the change in gravity does not take effect unless I disable and reenable the physbone, which is not ideal. Does anyone know if this is a bug or if it's intended behavior?

[dusty ridge]

@mellow citrus @simple elk it broke again

[little owl]

that should work, but it depends. Do you just have a single object with a bunch of children and the children don't have any children of their own? In that case, then you need to set multichild mode to something other than ignore. If those children have children of their own, then each chain should work independently just fine

[dusty ridge]

hang on i think i can fix this my self

[formal raven]

having a weird issue where toggled Physbone items freak on when grabbed

and if the parent is grabbed itdeletes the whole mesh

[azure sinew]

Ive tried that and it doesnt quite move like it used to. Even after i fool around with the settings

[little owl]

This difference is due to the fact that dynamic bones simulates by moving the children with position but physbones simulates by moving the parent by rotation so if you absolutely need each child to be simulated independently, you'll have to make each child have it's own separate parent instead of putting them all in the same parent

[azure sinew]

Ahh, thats strange and a bit annoying

Thank you for the help tho

[willow sand]

Nice, uploaded avatar with new SDK build ... now it shows as "ERROR". I think this patch broke everything that is theoretically possible to break

[bitter girder]

Having an issue where my gesture to move my ears no longer works after setting them as Physbones, is there an animator script I need to add to let gestures override the physbones settings? I would ideally like them to still be dynamic when posed

for context: the ear on the left has it's physbone disabled

[willow sand]

set the animated flag at the bottom of the physbone

[bitter girder]

rad

am dumb so thanks

[willow sand]

np

[buoyant pagoda]

Anyone have a good preset for tail ground colliders that doesn't cause the tail to arch hard while laying down?

[bitter girder]

I just use the plane collider

set the armature as the root bone, is this a depreciated method?

[buoyant pagoda]

have you tested it while laying on your back?

[bitter girder]

here I am as a normal human laying down yes

haven't tested in game yet tho

[torn tendon]

fuck i jsut realized this was my problem

meant to turn ping off but whatever

[bitter girder]

I didn't notice it because of the parameter info box T.T

[buoyant pagoda]

try testing it in game. heres a quick diagram of what ive found happens with the plane collider

[torn tendon]

yeah , me too

[buoyant pagoda]

where before it laid flat on the ground

[torn tendon]

it takes up so much space its weird

[bitter girder]

ohhhh, yeah I'm not sure, you might want to edit the settings on the tail bone to fix this

do you have some gravity on it?

[buoyant pagoda]

i don't. thats a good idea though, i'll see if adding gravity helps

[magic thicket]

yall for the life of me i cant find the sdk with the new bones

[bitter girder]

yeah, fine tuning the collider on the tail can help too, try to use the curve to get the collider to match the shape of the tail you want to be "solid", like how much fluff should flatten when it lays down

[magic thicket]

i downloaded the newest sdk three from the website

[bitter girder]

if you just imported it, just try restarting unity

[dusty ridge]

i getting this error now guys

[bitter girder]

might want to be careful that has a long file path in it

[magic thicket]

like the sdk is in there but the new bone scripts are not

[bitter girder]

like your real name and avatar ID are in there >>

[vestal hearth]

Every time I’ve seen a Library Package Cache error, moving everything into a new project has fixed it. I’m not sure how to fix issues like that without doing that

[lethal ember]

I have a setting that bunny turns black when ears are being stretched. I put this parameter in both ear bones, but its only working when pulling right ear. Is it not allowed? having same parameters in more than 1 bone so that action will occur no mater which bone is being interacted with?

[little owl]

you'll need to use one component for both or a different parameter for each component

[lethal ember]

thank you

[valid topaz]

this touch trigger stuff is confusing lol

[upper raven]

it's still new for a lot of people

you'll get it eventually

[valid topaz]

me trying to find out how to just make a touch toggle 🧠

[lethal ember]

in what part are you stuck?

[valid topaz]

i'm so confused on how to do the parameter logic in the animator

[upper raven]

just make it so on enter it changes a parameter and then make an animation that will be toggled by that parameter

[lethal ember]

so did you set name to the parameter in physbones?

[valid topaz]

can you mute vc so i can screenshare my unity window?

[lethal ember]

example, my parameter is called bunearR
if i want to make something happen when that bone is grabbed, i just need to make a toggle with any animation and parameter under FX called "bunearR_IsGrabbed

now that im writting it idk how to do if just want it to activate upon touching

probably same thing just add this component to your bone

[valid topaz]

so use on enter & not a constant?

[lethal ember]

i think depends on what you wanna do.

[snow marlin]

question: Is the rest position wherever the bone is originally oriented, or the middle of the gizmo's cone of movement?

[valid topaz]

what i wanna do is have it so when i press button, it make an object appear & then if i hit the button again, the object disappears

[lethal ember]

i think middle of cone IS where bone is originally oriented, no?

[snow marlin]

no

you can offset the movement range

[lethal ember]

then on enter, probably works as a true/false toggle and constant would work as a button

[valid topaz]

hm i see

[snow marlin]

apparently the rest position is the original bone orientation

great

[valid topaz]

do the parameters need to be put in the sync avatar parameter list

[lethal ember]

in layer, fx for example, yes

but the parameter that is under menu, no, that is only for menu toggles and stuff

[valid topaz]

under menu

wdym by that?

[lethal ember]

that you dont need to add to this list

[valid topaz]

ok so these all go in here

[lethal ember]

yes

[upper raven]

oh, Portuguese?

[valid topaz]

so then theoretically there isnt a hard cap on the touch toggles u use on ur avatar?

[lethal ember]

and here as well

[tacit stirrup]

Question, will any Physbone component collide with the default avatar colliders? torso, hands, etc?

[lethal ember]

brazilian but yes~

[upper raven]

you mean Portuguese?

[lethal ember]

language yes

[upper raven]

oh ok

[lethal ember]

idk what you mean by hard cap

[valid topaz]

like in the "under menu" parameter list there's a hard cap of parameter menory u can have

128

[lethal ember]

ohh yes

wont have to worry with that

[valid topaz]

awesome

[lethal ember]

cause that is the limit for things in the menu you open in game

but the turn on/off of phys bones is actions you do

nothing with menu

[upper raven]

parameters on the contacts don't need to be on the parameter menu

[valid topaz]

oh i see

[lethal ember]

when i saw "stretch" and "float" i was like "there goes 8 spaces of my parameters" but in reality no

[dusty saddle]

Is there any way to make the parameter set on a Contact Receiver stick? Or a way to set an avatar parameter using the animator after a collision has occured?

[inland sky]

How do I fix this? I've got physbones on the hair, and I've got colliders on the chest and spine already

[upper raven]

stick as in toggle it off and on when touching it? use parameter drivers on a state

and drive the parameter to the value you desire to stick

[lethal ember]

did you set the colliders to the bones?

[valid topaz]

so to get this touch toggle to work, do i only need 1 layer in the fx to work with?

& 2 fx parameters

[inland sky]

Oh so that's how you do that!
Thanks

[upper raven]

i only use one parameter for it to work

[dusty saddle]

In this case I'd like to switch model of my ears if it gets pulled beyond a certain point. And then I imagine it snapping back if they pull to far.

[valid topaz]

really?

[upper raven]

yeah

[lethal ember]

drag each bone to the space. bone wont go in if it has no colliders

[valid topaz]

may i see what your animator looks like?

[upper raven]

yeah that works fine

[inland sky]

Perfect, exactly what the doctor ordered

[upper raven]

huuuh sorry I'm not home but just make it so on enter it changes a parameter and then make that parameter toggle something, just that

[valid topaz]

my brain is deciding to be slow today

[lethal ember]

just a quick note, its exhaustive to do that for each hair string so i suggest doing it for 1 string, then you copy component and paste in the other strings. Finnally, you just change the root transform to each bone (cause they will copy like the first bone you did)

[valid topaz]

how do you make the parameter toggle something ?

[upper raven]

just like any other toggle on the FX layer

make an animation state, then make a transition with that parameter as a condition

[sour goblet]

So I'm getting a weird error with the sender and receiver thingies.

[VRCAvatarParameterDriver]: outermost Animator is not known: Leema (UnityEngine.Animator). If you changed something, consider resetting avatar

Does anyone know how to fix this?

[upper raven]

hmmm never seen it

[scenic steppe]

How do I fix this? Its dynamic bones and not the new dynamic's.

[charred spire]

Hello. I am trying to use the "is grabbed" parameter, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything when I am grabbing things? Do the Parenthesis need to be in the parameter?

[inland sky]

Doesn't need to be an inside bounds collider does it? It does nothing when it's not an inside bounds collider but becomes a black hole when it is

[torn tendon]

How do I enable Phys bones on quest? Sorry for being a total dunce lol

[inland sky]

It just lets me use the avatar itself as the collider group though, I figure that just means it uses all its attached colliders

Oh wait, you put it on the bone on the bone, not on the avatar
Whoops? 🤔
I figured it would work either way

[noble ivy]

does anyone have advice on limits for fabric components, specifically skirts? i'm clipping my legs through my skirt a lot and am not sure how to limit it to solve this

[little owl]

A polar limit where you make the side-to-side motion small but the up-down motion big should work pretty well

[short narwhal]

https://twitter.com/CompatibleVRC/status/1517934863415980032?s=20&t=tuKFmZWZMkcATu_r6o4FSQ

Compatible 🦊 (@CompatibleVRC)

Angle limits are so powerful. No skirt clipping at all with only 2 colliders.

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[inland sky]

@lethal ember Nope, it's still doing the thing

... I needed to set the radius for the physbone's collision didn't I.

Yep. Needed a radius on physbones.

[floral junco]

Need some help with contacts, specifically recievers

It doesn't appear to be updating my parameters in my animator, any reason why? The parameter names are the same, and the receiver detects contact senders.

[lethal ember]

oh does it?

[inland sky]

It seemed to have that effect. I just couldn't tell because I had no radius on physbones lmao

[cloud gate]

I was wondering the same question. Does the new update actually changes anything on quest ?

[lethal ember]

is it safe to add contact receiver to humanoid bones as HEAD?

[lethal ember]

it does change. It works same way. Only reason why avatars are not automatically having physbones for quest in game is cause the automatic update turned dynamic bones to physbones, and regular quets avis had NO dynamic bones before

[torn tendon]

How can I make a leash/chain work with physbones? Mine just gets stiff as soon as I upload it with physbones.

But in the unity scene it moves freely.

[cloud gate]

Oooh okay I see, thanks
So i guess there's nothing to do or is there a way ?

[lethal ember]

just get the regular avi, make project android and make whatever u need to make it quest compatible. Just this time wont need to delete dynamic bones, cause physbones are allowed

[floral junco]

Looking through the documentation, it seems like my receiver doesnt have a value option.

this isnt normal, is it?

[inland sky]

What do you have for receiver type options?

I'd figure your options at the bottom change based on type

[swift sentinel]

8 max components(?) on a quest avatar

[lofty walrus]

WHAT!?

[floral junco]

none of the receiver types have a value option

[short narwhal]

yes angle limits are very helpful

[lofty walrus]

not sure how "limits" would effect clipping if said skirt had no limits prior

I'd like to see how many bones that skirt has though

[short narwhal]

you can easily setup angle limits in your skirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

[summer abyss]

Setting value was in the beta and required a float but was changed to only either taking on a value of 0 or 1 when they allowed bools or ints to be used

[lofty walrus]

ph n\m, it shows the bones in the video

[lofty walrus]

I mean, I'm familiar with the limits. What I'm having issues with is the colliders when the legs are raised. The skirt kinda breaks apart and or clips through the leg collider when it didn't used to with dbones

so it doesnt make sense for a limiter to stop that from happening when the legs is "pushing it"

[floral junco]

So what parameter type should I use for a constant receiver type? I tried using a bool and int but neither seemed to work

[haughty mango]

Hi, Im looking at the ExampleDynamicsAvatar and have noticed that the "grab ear" function does not trigger the expression change. How is this fixed?

[summer abyss]

You can use whatever suits your situation better. If you just want to know if something is being touched or not then use a bool.

[toxic granite]

Is there a button somewhere in unity that lets you visualize the colliders and bones and what not like the ingame system?

[haughty mango]

gizmos

[toxic granite]

What about the auto-generated ones

Like the fingies

[haughty mango]

it should still be viewable

[lofty walrus]

his twiiter had a good explanation of this
Compatible 🦊
@CompatibleVRC
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If you want your legs to move your skirt, the limit on Yaw keeps the bones from moving too far to the side and going around the colliders instead of sitting on top of them.

[haughty mango]

were you able to see them by clicking gizmos in the top right corner of the display screen? make sure to be in the scene, game mode wont let you view the hand colliders

[toxic granite]

I'm seeing none for the auto-generated hand ones, unless those doesn't show up till I go to upload

[haughty mango]

@lethal ember Hi, Im having issues with the grab function. Im looking at the example in the VRCSDK folder. When I grab the robots ears it is supposed to change expressions, however it is not. Do you know why this might be?

[sick trench]

Hey I have been trying to make a head pet thing for my model. It makes my ears and my tail wag on my model when someone is rubbing my head but I can determine if someone is moving their hand or not back and forth

[upper raven]

your avatar needs to be set as humanoid and have the finger bones set inn the configuration

[spiral bane]

Question. Do you have to add Receiver parameters to your avatar parameters as well?

[upper raven]

no

only fx

[toxic granite]

Both are set correctly

[spiral bane]

Okay cool

[haughty mango]

this is clicked, right?

[upper raven]

on your Avatar descriptor on the bottom you see see the automatic colliders

you have to click on your Avatar as well yeah

[toxic granite]

Ah I see, no one told me I needed to specifically hit the drop down for colliders on the avatar descriptor

[haughty mango]

ohhh

i didnt know that

[toxic granite]

I didn't eithor till just now

[haughty mango]

For those who are also having issues with the VRC Grabbing / Not seeing Faces when grabbed: you will only see the expression change in game. for some reason it is not viewing in unity. Copy the EXACT layout from the example avatar and simply plug in your details. :)

[faint dagger]

do i need a reviver on my avatar? putting the variable (i named Button_Angle on the bone / fx controller) in the fx does nothing?

[lost hedge]

Does animating the Immobile slider work for disabling dynamics on a bone chain in-game? It doesn't work in the Unity preview.

[lofty walrus]

@short narwhal hey man, thanks for posting about that tweet. It was very helpful

[short narwhal]

glad it was helpful

[azure salmon]

Has anyone been able to drive a parameter with contacts proximity mode? I haven't been able to get it to drive a local or synced param (in game).

[fading topaz]

the updated collider handling seems to have interpreted an existing avatar's colldiers differently from in the prior version, what are the "automatic" collider radii based on? do the bones in my model have some bogus radius metadata that it's now using?

(they seem to be out by exactly 100 times, so at least it should be easy to manually fix)

[lethal ember]

it only works with float

[lethal ember]

easier to fix than to understand how it happened, I believe

maybe try comparing with another avi that automatic converted correctly

[fading topaz]

just trying to work out if it's an error a friend made exporting in maya or something I've done wrong on import to unity, really

(we've had some other problems exporting from Maya, anyway; the bones are named differently too, which I've yet to work out how to fix)

[violet carbon]

I have an issue with phys bone hand colliders

I set the finger colliders manually within the avatar descriptor to fit the side of my avatars finger, but it seems that it ignores my manual "height" setting upon upload

the colliders in game are a lot longer than what I manually set, so even though I have the colliders within the fingers, in game they extend beyond the fingers as well as extent towards the hand

[fading topaz]

hmm, looking at little deeper, the collider radii appear to be identical between the model that works and the one that doesn't; both are 0.03, but one is being interpreted as much, much larger

aha! the armature was scaled to 100

ohhh except now the model is 1/100 the size

[violet carbon]

are you doing Blender work on your model?

I've had scaling mess up whenever I export incorrectly from Blender

[fading topaz]

this is from maya, but yeah, with modifications

just struggling to work out how to fix it

[violet carbon]

when you export from Blender, are you using "FBX Units Scale"?

[fading topaz]

I am not in blender!

[violet carbon]

oh

[fading topaz]

okay! it was a scale issue on import, yeah

[violet carbon]

hm. I'm not sure how the scaling of avatar elements would have become super large then, but you may be able to work around it by scaling the components themselves by a factor of 100

[fading topaz]

turning off "convert units - 1cm to 0.01m" fixes it

not clear why that scales everything except the colliders, but i'll take it!

[violet carbon]

I guess whatever you're using behaves similar to blender with scaling where it can export the mesh at the right size, but all bones will be really huge

[thorny isle]

bug that lets me have infinite stretch

reported to canny already

[violet carbon]

What I've set vs what appears in game

[jolly crypt]

hi so imm making a panel that replaces my radial menu. it has buttons that anyone can press, and the intention is to have each button toggle something on my avi, synced across everyone.
im having issues with others not seeing the changes when they press a button, even though all the buttons are defined in the synced parameter list.

so for instance, i have a button that toggles a springjoint. anyone can press it and i see it toggled on and off pretty consistently, but other people either dont see it happening at all, or its very inconsistent

[mellow citrus]

Do physbones not work for certain bones??? Her tongue is supposed to be wiggly.

[abstract pivot]

Is it possible to animate the phys bone's gravity slider? i tried it in so many ways but it does seem to work.

[fresh wasp]

is there a way to link bones? like if you move 1 you also move the other one even if they are not part of the same root

[solemn sedge]

Hey. So my avatar's tongue is broken here since the update. This was even before I reuploaded it with PhysBones replacing Dynamic Bones.

How do I fix this?

The tongue is supposed to be straight.

[fresh wasp]

well just check on unity if you don't have a collider doing something weird there

or just rotate the bone with the Phys script

[solemn sedge]

I'm not really that familiar with how PhysBones works, so..

Even after reading the documentation.

[fresh wasp]

try with ''Pitch'' ''Roll'' and that

it shows a cone with the dynamic angle

it must be pointing straight

[solemn sedge]

Alright. I notice it was set to '180' for some reason (after the conversion from Dynamic Bones to PhysBones). So I will try this.

[fresh wasp]

yeah you might have to fix some things by yourself

like angles and parameters

[violet carbon]

I just figured that issue out today, at least for 1 avatar. Make sure the animation to stick the tongue out doesn't have a "scale" property applied to the bone that the phys script is on

you can have scaling on the child bones, but removing the scaling from the bone that the script was on fixed the tongue issue for me

[upper raven]

bones are too small

[versed tartan]

anybody got any good physbones settings for hair, tail breasts

[mellow citrus]

My settings for this avatar. I don't know how well it will work for your avatar.
I show the settings for long hair, then tail, then breasts. You'll have to pause and type the settings. I don't want to spam.

[versed tartan]

TYSM!!

[wise hinge]

you didnt apply the Tongue Paramaters in the phys bones component

[mellow citrus]

what would i type? i dont know anything about physbone params..

[azure salmon]

Yeah I am using floats, but it still won't drive the param at all.

Im just wondering if anyone HAS been successful in driving a (float) param in game with proximity mode

[upper raven]

receivers now work with bools not just floats

[covert marlin]

Question, cause of the Phys Bones on the feathers my lower arm is going pretty weird. Is there a way to fix it that the arm isn´t affected anymore?

[upper raven]

yes

my phone system uses them

[azure salmon]

could I ask you some questions in DM?

if its cool

[upper raven]

sure, tho idk how much help i can be since I'm not home until tomorrow, I'm out the country

[azure salmon]

alright no prob I just want to make sure im not missing some change i didnt see or whatevs

[azure salmon]

also you are using proximity mode right?

[faint dagger]

do i have to name my variable v_Angle both in my fx and the bone params?

[azure salmon]

because all the other modes work fine for my stuff

proximity mode is the only mode that doesnt work for me

[torn tendon]

I put Phys Bones on my avi but no one can mess with them?

idk how to fix

[upper raven]

ue

yes

[upper raven]

in game settings, choose to allowed everyone to move them

and make sure in unity you checked "allow others"

[torn tendon]

Wait in unity?

where?

[leaden wing]

There is a setting in-game but there is also a setting in Unity for each physbone.

[torn tendon]

i turn the one ingame on but did not see a unity one

[leaden wing]

its

its "allow grab" and "allow pose"

tick box

one each bone

on*

[torn tendon]

that is on for each bone

maybe its my in game setttings?

[toxic granite]

with the contact receiver is there no way to specify an index? Lets say I have 4 distinct shirts controlled from 1 parameter and I have 4 recievers, am I not able to specify them?

[leaden wing]

unity

[leaden wing]

maybe theirs too

[faint dagger]

do i have to have a VRCContactReceiver for my own bone to update a variable on my fx?

[wise hinge]

Example:
1st parameter, Tongue
2nd parameter, Tongue_IsGrabbed
3rd parameter, Tongue_Angle, then Tongue_Stretch

The 1st parameter is what you put in the phys bones parameter section

[honest inlet]

So i have a quick question. i have some bones that should have jiggle like tummy, thighs. some other parts that got converted to physbones and i checked if there's a physbone on them. there is, but it isnt always visible but they dont even move anymore at all. just wondering what ive done wrong because they worked fine with dynamic bones.

[wise hinge]

Then you put all those parameter in your fx layer

[upper raven]

yes you are

[toxic granite]

how, I'm not seeing a section for that in the reciever

[upper raven]

you choose the parameter you want it to change when interacted with

and the value you want it to get

[toxic granite]

where?

[upper raven]

in the FX

those are just the logics to control it

[versed tartan]

Hey I'm having an issue where my bones won't keep its shape with physbones. I want it to be more rigid. What setting should I mess with?

[upper raven]

you have to use parameter drivers with empty animations just to server as placeholders to have a parameter driver to driver a parameter to the value you want

[toxic granite]

Would you be able to point me at a tutorial or a video or something for it?

[upper raven]

you make an empty animation with nothing and then in a new layer place it and add a parameter driver to it that sets a parameter to any value you want

and use the parameter that changed with the receiver as a condition to play that animation

there's no tutorial for that unfortunately

[faint dagger]

do i need a VRCContactReceiver for a bone on my avatar to effect my fx layer?

[upper raven]

no

[toxic granite]

so then for example, if I have 4 shirts I make 4 FX paramters labeled top 1, top 2, top 3, top 4. The reciever gets top 1. Top 1 gets an empty thingy thing, which then drivers top with a value of 1 and then that will change my top

[upper raven]

you just set a parameter to that bone

[upper raven]

no just an int

[faint dagger]

hmm, doesnt seem to work, my param is called v_Angle

[toxic granite]

Why did they make this so complicated, haha

[faint dagger]

same with my fx layer

[upper raven]

like make each receiver with different parameters, and in FX make it use that parameter as a condition to play an empty animation that has a parameter driver that would set the parameter value as anything you'd want

wish I was home

[toxic granite]

so yah 4 bool type FX parameters one for each receiver all which alter the singular top parameter, right?

[upper raven]

yeah so basically 4 bools that you just need to put in the FX and 1 synced int

[toxic granite]

That seems really over complicated in my opinion, but college is almost over so I can script this in my free time because this will be a pain in the booty eventually

[languid glade]

How do I make it where my hair wont be crazy when i move?

[upper raven]

yeah VRchat didn't make it so you can choose the value of a parameter driven by the receiver so we have to do it like this

[upper raven]

Change the phys bones settings

[sonic flint]

theres a bug i noticed when developing with avatar dynamics, Using the "on enter" with velocity wont play the animation for other users. i had a hit animation that would play when hitting someone (entering the head contact point at a velocity of 4, but it would refuse to show up on other peoples ends. idk if theres a fix for it, but just letting yall know\

[tacit stirrup]

anyone has an efficient way of doing a facial gesture upon hair stretch when the front hair isn't using the same dynamic settings on all strands?

i could make a condition for multiple parameters in the fx layer but i assume that's not good performance wise?

[torn tendon]

I got the phys bones to work for my breast but not my hair even though its set to allow grab and posing

[olive tulip]

Have you set up the radius?

[torn tendon]

no I haven't how do i set that up?

[olive tulip]

There's an option called radius, just change the number in there till the orbs surround the hair strands

[torn tendon]

wait I see it now under collision?

[olive tulip]

Yep

[torn tendon]

Thank you omg

[olive tulip]

No problem

[torn tendon]

[faint dagger]

do i have to have my bone component on the root of my avatar for the param to work?

[azure salmon]

answering myself here. Proximity only works with sphere type atm.

[languid glade]

How do I test out grabbing and posing for physbones?

[toxic granite]

I believe you can through the game window in playmode in unity or ingame

[thorny isle]

Made 2 cannys regarding PhysBones if any of you want to pop a vote on them.

[Bug] Animated PhysBone when grabbed resets Max Angle.

Grabbing an animated physbone treats the max angle as if it were at rest when grabbed.
My animation moves the physbone to the extreme end of the max angle limit, so I should not be able to drag it past that point.
This bug treats the pose I grabbed it at as rest pose, which offsets the max angle past the extreme point.
https://youtu.be/7CJ2AFd9Q9o

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/bug-animated-physbone-when-grabbed-resets-max-angle

[Bug] Grabbing a grabbed PhysBone freezes the bone for remote players.

If I grab a physbone locally and someone else attempts to steal it from me, it'll freeze in place on their screen.

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/bug-grabbing-a-grabbed-physbone-freezes-the-bone-for-remote-players

[languid glade]

Yeah grabbing is not working. I have it checked for allow grabbing so why is it not working?

[toxic granite]

From what I've seen it should work with everyone, but it only works with yellow-tagged friends

[languid glade]

no in unity not vrchat

[toxic granite]

oh

[languid glade]

i saw sippbox do it in his new youtube video so its kinda weird that i cant

[latent cove]

I downloaded the latest SDK but I can't find the Phys Bones Script

[torn tendon]

How does one make a receiver activate an animation that stays after the contacts are no longer touching?

(For example, toggling an object after a touch)

[zenith jetty]

is there a way to have contact receivers set a value of an int? Like have one set an int to 1 and another to 2

[faint dagger]

theres no info on how parameters on the bone work? tried setting fx params to same name and no luck...

[zenith jetty]

you're not supposed to have _IsGrabbed on the physbone component

only in the fx layer

[faint dagger]

ah ok ty

[cedar maple]

has anyone figured out how to properly animate a phys bone?

i wish to increase gravity on a phys bone component through an animation, this used to work fine in dynamic bones by simply recording the animation and increasing gravity, but it doesnt seem to work that way for phys bones

[upper raven]

parameter driver

[upper raven]

parameter driver

[torn tendon]

Gotcha, time to research that

[zenith jetty]

I mean having the contacts themselves control the ints, I dont want a bunch of bools using up memory

[upper raven]

they don't use memory

because tou don't need to put them in the parameter menu

only on the fx

the only parameter you need to be synced is the int

[zenith jetty]

oh, I thought that was only for the grabbed, angle and stretch params

[upper raven]

that's the only way, you can't set a specific value to an int directly through a receiver

[upper raven]

no, the parameters on the receivers don't need to be synced

just parameters to use as conditions to drive synced parameters on the FX

[crisp bough]

Hey
I try to put an item on the head of my avi
It has bones is in the amature hierarchy placed correctly but does not stay on my avatar when it moves/plays
any idea?

It was the root bone in the skinned mesh renderer of the item I tried to put in!!!
put it to Head and it works
thx anyway

[lost hedge]

Does animating the Immobile slider work for disabling dynamics on a bone chain in-game? It doesn't work in the Unity preview.

[crisp bough]

nevermind
It stays put but the whole object moves around still.

[snow spire]

So I set up the IsGrabbed parameter, do I also have to put this parameter in the Expression Parameter?

Like add _IsGrabbed here

And in the Animator Parameter

[crisp bough]

U just put in sth. like "Hair" in the phsy script itself
From there you go to your inspector, there in the parameters you refer to the bool with "Hair_IsGrabbed"

[stoic wadi]

Hey question, when making a contact point do you have to define the parameter in your general avatar parameters file? Trying to just make a simple clap/slap and having issue when I cant get it to trigger. TBH I am pretty clueless on audio trigger in general so overall advice would be great

I do know already they have to be a float and stuff

I can post an image of my hand trigger and my FX layer if it helps

[thorny isle]

It tells you in the tooltip that itll append _IsGrabbed, _Stretch, and _Angle automatically.
If you put "Bone" in the parameter slot, itll create 3 parameters in your animator: "Bone_IsGrabbed", "Bone_Angle", "Bone_Stretch"

[thorny isle]

You do not need to add the parameter to your VRCExpressionParameters list, Avatar Dynamics runs on all clients so it does not need to be manually synced.

[thorny isle]

Just add it to the animator only.

[fallow owl]

I’m not really sure if I can see people grabbing my tail?? I was in a random world yesterday and some stranger wanted to grab my tail but I’m not certain if they were able to

I have the “allow” thing turned on too

[bitter mason]

I have the same issue, all of the physics work, but none of the colliders. Hair goes right through the chest collider and I cant move my own hair with my hand colliders.

[idle scroll]

Shameless plug haha, but I just released a video explaining using the _Stretch value on physbones for animations. Here's a link if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612jHghFGWA

[fallow owl]

Ahh well for me the colliders work just fine and I can grab my own tail, just not sure if others are though :o

[short narwhal]

awesome & and I've been sharing your videos a bunch to folks wanting to learn Avatar Dynamics

[snow spire]

Aah Much appreciated.
Thanks Wolfy and NotAKid

[idle scroll]

Thank ya! I'll be working on more tutorials to help people out with AD contact system and Physbones. Lots of stuff to cover, but I think it's really important people know how this stuff works so we can see some awesome avatars made and be more interactable!

[short narwhal]

yeah I know definitely be excited for those new tutorials as there's so much cool stuff people can do and it'll be interesting to see if people make any Unity extensions that help make this kind of stuff

[sick trench]

No one can interact with my receivers, does the animator need to be on a certain playable layer for this to work or?

[fallow owl]

Uhh guys I tried following the steps for importing the new SDK to one of my SDK2 avatars but I don't think it's doing anything??

It has the new SDK in the project but there are errors saying "AvatarDescriptor does not exist in the namespace VRCSDK2"

And when I try to open the dropdown menu, it shows "reload SDK" instead

[idle scroll]

You'll want to make sure your FX controller in your FX layer.

[errant carbon]

allow posing should work if checked and I can move my hair but it doesn't. Any setting that I'm missing? The hair moves right back.

[unique spruce]

so im trying to make a phone using the new phys bones, do i have to add bones where the buttons would be? cuz i cant get the bone spheres to appear

like the home button on an iphone for example

i dont need the button to actually move, just register when its pressed

i saw someone do something like this in the beta version

[honest inlet]

this sounds like a stupid question and probably is but is there a way to make the physbone into an orb and not a cylinder?

[sick trench]

so when ever my hand touches my receiver or when ever anyone touches it, in the contacts debug display thing all my senders and receviers on my model flash when touched and don't do what they are suppose to

[bright bolt]

updating the quest version of my avatar with physbones, and realized rotation constraints aren't supported on quest, which really sucks as i use that to reduce the number of dynamic bones/physbones needed (without affecting the look) and much more of my avatar would be able to be dynamic within the performance limits with them

[brazen moth]

Is it possible to grab a Physbone object and place it anywhere you want it?

Instead of it having it Position Constraint?

[upper raven]

yes

but you'd still have to have it constrained

[craggy warren]

What would be the best settings to get physbones to act in the same way hinge joints do?

[gritty valley]

saw a video and it said the parameter from receivers are always floats is that true?

[jolly crane]

no, they can be bools too

[gritty valley]

thanks chief

[quasi cliff]

forgetting atm, whats the component called where you can play an animation via someone entering the touch zone

[short narwhal]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/contacts#receiver

[quasi cliff]

ah, thanks!

just forgot the name of the contacts for a bit lmao

[jolly crypt]

why cant my friends see the contact i have its actually killing me at this point

[gritty valley]

local only?

i mean is it set to local only

[graceful marlin]

hey i want some physbones avatars can someone help me out

[short narwhal]

it's going to take time for people to upload them

[graceful marlin]

i found some already so is it out of beta then or...

like is it only certain ones rn?

[brave bear]

One question, so if you have a Physbone's avatar on, would people that have Dynamic Bone enabled/Physbone off be able to see your bones move?

[graceful marlin]

yes

[short narwhal]

yes as that setting only if Dynamic Bone Auto converted not what to do with Native physics bones

[stable stone]

guys what is the work around for when phys bones dont want to detect the front hair
i somehow fixed it but dont know how to replicate it again

[lament lintel]

With the physbones added to a protogen avatar the face disappears, but shows when doing emotes via controller

[vague grotto]

what makes physbones different from the original dynamic bones? why were dynamic bones so bad with performance?

[torn tendon]

i have everything on but now phys doesnt work

help

[vague grotto]

can you explain? i got my physbones to work perfectly

[torn tendon]

it was working fine earlier, and I just got on and can’t see it on myself or others with the same settings on

[short narwhal]

physics bones perform a lot better because they were written for vrchat in particular and multi-threaded so it can more properly utilize your computer's resources

[vague grotto]

do you remember what you changed from before?

[bleak light]

having an odd issue with phys bones on all my avatars, when people interact with them i can only see them being moved in a mirror or camera, but not from my actual view point, what do i do to fix? L:

[torn tendon]

i haven’t changed any settings.

[bleak light]

ive tried ik beta and live, same thing

[vocal frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/835398569560768532/967692912861249546/closeness.gif

[bleak light]

🥺

[vocal frigate]

Simple Head proximity expression change

If somebody's head gets close enough to mine, my expression changes

[bleak light]

anyone?

example

ahg, really annoying. people interacting with my hair is super common now and without seeing it its really immersion breaking, im craptastic at blender so doubt id be able to do it

i understand the culling being good for the front part so you dont just have hair in your viewpoint constantly but with pigtails it really is a nuisance

[thorny isle]

^ that’s what i do for my hair

i duplicated head bone, named it HeadParent, parented to neck, moved hair over, and constrained HairParent to Head in Unity

[vocal frigate]

You guys can avoid all of that by just adding a scale constraint to anything you don't want to scale down, and setting the source to anything else in your avatar that isn't on your head.

Like your descriptor

@bleak light @void helm @thorny isle

Unless you're on quest, yes

constraints are PC only but the scale constraint is great

I only recently discovered it

it's been pretty useful

[thorny isle]

what kind of magic do you inhale
thank you

[snow spire]

For the claping effect, do you use Contact Receiver or Contact Sender

[torn tendon]

Hey do any one know why i cant see ppl mess with my Physbones in game but thay see it?

[torn tendon]

is it becuse i turned off the animated setting on my bones?

[snow spire]

Not sure if this is the right set up for the clap/slap effect

[fair wave]

I try to make a PB parameter at my Tail that someone grab my tail would make facial change
But nothing change in game view and scene with play mode :

1. Tail PB script added parameter keyname call "Tail"
2. Animator controller add parameter call "Tail_isGrabbed" then set type bool
   3.New layer conditions use "Tail_isGrabbed" Ture to facial animation ,false to idle

I'm confuse looks the step not doing fault, may someone solve this ?

[toxic dawn]

How do I move my model to see if the physbones are working correctly in Unity?

[idle scroll]

Capitalize "Is"

[frosty orchid]

any1 got those errors after importing the sdk and converting bones? / I think about redoing the project

[vocal frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/539808420484874240/967709468907434024/closeness.gif

[bronze tree]

Do you have pumpkin in your project ?

[fair wave]

I fix it now but still not working when i grab in the game view with play mode

[frosty orchid]

@bronze tree no / I'm aware of the pumpkin update

[bronze tree]

Hmm ! I remember I had lots of errors as well idk if those were there I will keep an eye out for you and see if there is an solution (:

[fair wave]

I do it again it still not working
Have i miss something ?

[rustic oracle]

I tried animating the phys bone values, but only turning on and off the whole script, allow collission/grabbing/posing worked.

[toxic dawn]

How do you move your model to test if the physbones that were added works? I tried moving it and no physbones appeared. Referring to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

[bronze tree]

did you go into play mode and then game ? do you also have a radius added ?

[cobalt girder]

how do you get the radius to match the exact same way as your avatar

for the colliders

[snow marlin]

Go into play mode

[toxic dawn]

aaaa thank uuu soo much <33, pretty new to unity, thank u for being patient wit me :D

[toxic dawn]

tank uu for being patient wit me :D

[bronze tree]

no worries (: have u been able to test the move on the phys bones? (:

[wet rune]

@junior prairie @tawdry bluff I managed to resolve the issue I was having with Contacts not working. Having the contact match a name with one that was already on the Sync'd Parameter list was making them fight.

[wet rune]

Making the number smaller and smaller? I found I needed quite small fractions.

[junior prairie]

oooh i guess that's why they say you don to have to add them to the sync parameter list

but that it is making issues is mentioned nowhere x3 ye those docs quality is .. eh

[toxic dawn]

yup, trying to fix the tail

[cobalt girder]

i had to play around with the curve to get the size

[strange whale]

is it only me or can't you exclude the first Bone in the Chain? For instance: I want to use for my hair 1 Script. So i put it in head and exclude everything that is not needed. The issue i have now is that the head is always slightly twitchting when moving

also if i exclude the bone itself

[remote ferry]

You are correct

[toxic dawn]

I keep getting this problem and can't seem to fix it, how do I move the tail back to its original place? (the back of the model)

[remote ferry]

You have to create an empty Gameobject as a child to your head and then drag all of your hair bones into the empty Gameobject as children

And then put the Phys Bone Component on the empty

@strange whale

[strange whale]

Oh god Thanks.. i was like: Do i really have to go into blender and add a "Ghost Bone"

[bronze tree]

is it doing that in play mode? because then a collider could push it forward that way

[toxic dawn]

yes its in gamemode, should i try turning off each collider to see which one's causing it?

[bronze tree]

yes i would suggest turning off colliders one by one to see if one of them is pushing the tail in that position (:L

[toxic dawn]

Thank you!!

Btw, how do i test on the pulling and grabbing on my model? (I have it ticked on)

[bronze tree]

you go into play mode and then click on game instead of scene, there you can just grab parts that have radius collider (:and make sure to place ur camera in a position so its visible in game play mode (:

[toxic dawn]

oo, thank u! <3

[bronze tree]

no worries !!

[toxic dawn]

ye uhm-

[frosty orchid]

Create a dice or something and put a collider on it

[toxic dawn]

How do i create a dice?

I don't really want a second tail so i tried deleting it but didnt work, it says to open a prefab or smth

[steel thistle]

You can remove SkinnedMeshRenderer component in the tail object too

[toxic dawn]

nvm i fixed it, accidentally doubled the avatar xD

How do I give movement to the tail when the player moves ?

[steel thistle]

What kind of movement? Like some specific animation, or just letting physbone to the movement?

[toxic dawn]

just letting the physbone doing its thing

instead of it being in the same place

[steel thistle]

If you already added physbone component and it should already be doing that

[toxic dawn]

hmm, then how do i add in a tail animation?

[steel thistle]

To add more motion than physbones does?

[toxic dawn]

yup

nvm, its alr i fixed it with the immobilization thingy

:D

another questionn, when i pull on my tail and release it, how do i make it go more bouncy whne its returning into its original place?

[steel thistle]

I think adding more spring or momentum to the bone.

[gritty helm]

I'm sorry to interrupt, I have a constrained extra hand but I need a global physbones collider on the parented hand. Is there any method to set the global collider in the avatar descriptor to the custom hand? or make a physbones collider into a global one. (image is just an example). Thank you 🙂

[toxic dawn]

amma look into it rn

[west yoke]

wait so

does "is animated" not work on quest?

it seems to work fine on pc but doesn't animate on quest

[steel thistle]

I saw you asking since yesterday. Have you tried to come up with one idea?

There're more things to consider. For example, the state of the cloth while being grabbed, how it would react when pulling, tearing, etc.

First thing is just thinking about idea in depth, then implementation will come later

Or it just could be simple as turning off cloth if grabbed.

Which demo?

[halcyon vault]

damn, what demo did I miss

???

it was in Open Public beta for a long ass time. You had access to it too

[shell yarrow]

Everyone had access to it at the same time

Not sure why you're trying to spread misinformation

Avatar dynamics has been in open beta for almost two months

[tawdry bluff]

Thanks a lot for the update! Will put it to the test later

[steel thistle]

I think you're the one who sounded salty

Simply from misunderstanding

[shell yarrow]

It was internal only back then, so literally impossible

[steel thistle]

Technically it could be done even before avatar dynamic.

[halcyon vault]

Do you have any proof of the system being used before the beta opened March 5th?

[shell yarrow]

Then you misunderstood what the tweet was

[halcyon vault]

Find proof instead of labelling an entire race as "Entitled"

[shell yarrow]

You can fake that with gestures

That doesn't require avd

[halcyon vault]

or with particle drivers/constraints

[shell yarrow]

Sure, position constraints

[halcyon vault]

cloth and/or dynamic bones

[shell yarrow]

It's just bones/objects

The tweet was probably showcasing a concept that would be made easier by avatar dynamics

[halcyon vault]

I've seen people pick up and carry wedding dresses with it all being cloth, a default unity component

[jolly crane]

could have been Hai's Track constraint system

complex and tedious to set up

most avatar creators don't have the knowledge/patience

[halcyon vault]

Because if it was easy then you wouldn't be asking how to do it

[thorny isle]

that’s most likely it, i dmed them a tweet about it a while ago

[jolly crane]

they have a setup tool for it on their github

still hard to set up

[thorny isle]

it’s complicated

[halcyon vault]

I'm still looking forward to seeing this 'showcase' that was mentioned

[steel thistle]

This? https://booth.pm/ja/items/3532857

[thorny isle]

https://twitter.com/vr_hai/status/1475739062938001411?s=21&t=3G8oLsufV0l00FDwL5IdNA

Haï~ (@vr_hai)

Constraint Track Animation Creator
https://t.co/ILOtQKD4kF

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[steel thistle]

So just the same one

[thorny isle]

[halcyon vault]

okay so they're not grabbing it. It's a toggle in the menu and they're acting

[steel thistle]

btw, think Hai is a Vietnamese, not Japanese

[halcyon vault]

looks really really cool though

[thorny isle]

ohh looking in our dms i helped with the misunderstanding at the time

[hushed marsh]

Just Curious. Do i need a special sdk for PhysBones? Because in the normal SDK3.0 it doesnt show up..

[halcyon vault]

they're definitely there.
What sdk patch do you have?
and do you have any console errors?

[thorny isle]

latest sdk from the website

[hushed marsh]

Did

but to no avail

[ember goblet]

Looks really cool temporarily. But it looks like something that's not future proof. For example, could be broken in the next avatar 4.0 update

[jolly crane]

since OSC became a thing

[steel thistle]

Avatar OSC, like since February

They're smart people

[halcyon vault]

Because they're actually talented and passionate people unlike the West

[hushed marsh]

cough racism cough

[shell yarrow]

I mean, Hai is french

[ember goblet]

The keyword is competency

[steel thistle]

Ah, my apologize

[halcyon vault]

I mean, when you see 50 people doing amazing things it's easy to ignore the 50,000 who can do nothing

There are talented people from everywhere

[steel thistle]

Didn't they?

[halcyon vault]

a lot of the time it's a product so they don't give away free lessons on how to build it.

[steel thistle]

I think even told, it'd be hard to digest.

[ember goblet]

The joker from batman said "If you're good at something, never do it for free"

[halcyon vault]

It's also really difficult because you could show half the people here just a showcase and they could suggest multiple different ways to make it.

It's hard to keep something a secret

[simple elk]

Right , if i see something i could probably figure it out, would not be the same way they do it

[halcyon vault]

true, but once you know how to do it there's always the chance you won't buy it. Assuming it's a product which a few of them tend to be

[cursive hinge]

I need to make a spoon people can grab & rotate with their hand, is that doable with physbones? it seems to just bend with the movement direction instead of following wrist rotation

[lethal ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/uafctg/grabbable_overtheshoulder_backpack_system_using/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

craziest thing

credits to this person here btw

ikr

[tacit stirrup]

hey guys do I need to set up a wrist collider and put it in the phys script or does by default my Hand interacts with any phys bone?

[simple elk]

You have one auto

[jagged sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ewkxGj2eT4M

[marsh plank]

Hi guys i'm trying to place a physbone on my finger and make it not move uless grabbed so that people can pull my finger but my fingers start to twist weirdly and im not sure how to fix it does anyone have ideas for settings that might work

[tacit stirrup]

thank you

[jolly crane]

set angle limits?

and set the max stretch to ~0.2?

[marsh plank]

Figured it out but thanks for the help 😋

[opaque glen]

What do I set wrong? I want to make It strechable but doesn't work

[toxic dawn]

Am i supposed to be concerned abt this-

[halcyon vault]

Quest has hard limits. Surpass the limits and they all get removed. If you don't get it under those limits it will act as if they're not there at all

[toxic dawn]

hm, alrighty

ill limit on the physbones

[toxic dawn]

Where can i delete the physbone transform? what is it?