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[mint badge]

this is what im looking at rn

[pine valley]

where are you seeing this?

[bold obsidian]

The console

[heavy zephyr]

Lights aren't allowed on quest, you should remove any lights

[pine valley]

That's Unity itself complaining

it's upset that you have more than one (or maybe more than zero?) per-pixel lights

but yes, Quest avatars won't be able to have lights in the first place, so you should remove them from the avatar.

[heavy zephyr]

No, those are meshes, open your armature -> spine -> chest -> neck -> head -> whatever is in there

[long sierra]

I'm having this stupid issue with the sounds on my avatar not working, even though I have an animation to enable the audio source, the animation is looking in the correct place, and when I manually change the variable, it plays, but clicking the toggle button doesn't work, even though I have the toggle set to the right integer, the right variable, and the transitions are correct

[bold obsidian]

Could this also have something to do with quality?

[fresh rose]

anybody have a gogo loco with the flight and dash?

[heavy zephyr]

Okay it seems like the hat is merged with the head. So yeah, either scale the hair down or go the blender route like suggested before

[bold obsidian]

I’ve already lowered the textures a bunch and the shaders are most optimized

[heavy zephyr]

Get it for free on gumroad

[bold obsidian]

Am I just cooked?

[mint badge]

is that bc im using this?

[fresh rose]

cant find it at all

i found the one without flight

but cant find the one with

[heavy zephyr]

Sounds like a mixed write defaults issue maybe?

[heavy zephyr]

https://franadavrc.gumroad.com/l/gogoloco?layout=profile

[heavy zephyr]

That would fuse it yeah, dunno how you could exclude the hat

[long sierra]

What should it be set to? The write defaults, I mean?

[heavy zephyr]

All the same, either all On or all Off

[pine valley]

were you thinking of scaling up the entire hat?

[heavy zephyr]

Yeah, quick and dirty way of doing it if they don't wanna do blender

[long sierra]

Nope, didn't fix it

[heavy zephyr]

This needs to be consistent on your entire avatar

[mint badge]

i might try the blender thing tho
the hat is kinda high already and i think it good to know how to do that

[pine valley]

I would try scaling down these hair bones

just grab some of 'em and reduce their size; see if you get decent results

[heavy zephyr]

They said the hair bones look weird scaled down because they are bundled

[pine valley]

ah, right

[mint badge]

yea so one bone is for a whole part of the hair so it does some weird stuff

[long sierra]

There's a VRCFury Fix Write Defaults component on there

[heavy zephyr]

Then send a video and/or screenshots so we can better see your setup

[fresh rose]

i dont wanna pay 😭

[heavy zephyr]

It's free dude

[fresh rose]

says nae a price

[heavy zephyr]

Show the full AnimatorPlayAudio settings and your animation clips please. Also if you're only using one sound, use a bool instead of an int

[heavy zephyr]

Just type 0 in the box-

[long sierra]

Every time I ever tried using a boolean value for anything, it never worked

[heavy zephyr]

There's no reason for it to not work- Booleans are just another type except it's smaller with only 2 values, true or false

[long sierra]

Then I must not know how to use them properly and they must behave slightly different from ints in a way that I'm not getting. O_o

[fresh rose]

ah wait nm i see

[long sierra]

Or I'm just dumb lmao /self-deprecating humor

[mint badge]

im in blender now is there a way to match the scale of the hair and the hat how i have it in unity rn?

[heavy zephyr]

Okay so 2 things :

1- If you are using AnimatorPlayAudio, your audio source should not have an audio clip inside.
2- Since you are activating the object and ordering the audio to play on the same frame, that might cause issues. Try adding a tiny delay in AnimatorPlayAudio

[frozen haven]

https://medal.tv/games/vrchat/clips/kW3FNYDJtmFg1c74E?invite=cr-MSxpaFgsNDAyMzc1ODE1&v=13
Does anyone know what is wrong with my legs and how to fix them?

[heavy zephyr]

Either your walking animation is f*cked or you put physbones on your leg bones.

[frozen haven]

Idk because she's fine in fullbody and when she sits or uses gogo she is fine but on half body and desktop it does that.

[heavy zephyr]

Look if it has physbones on it

[wet tulip]

So I try to add an android avatar to my quest but every time it says there’s to much physbones or to many bones and idk what to do

[frozen haven]

It does not.

[heavy zephyr]

Get rid of some physbones?

[heavy zephyr]

Then I'd be looking at any custom walking animations

[wet tulip]

But it also says the upperarm is not a parent of lower arm but when I try to do it it’s not there

[mint badge]

can i just pull my whole unity files as is rn into blender?

[heavy zephyr]

Not, just the fbx

[mint badge]

i can save it as a fbx tho no?

[frozen haven]

The only kind of animations I have added are the gogoloco and it was only to try and fix the legs.

[heavy zephyr]

There's already an fbx in your assets

[heavy zephyr]

Then it might just be the model's proportions, it might just not be made properly for anything other than fbt

[mint badge]

so whats the best way to get it into blender bc idk how to recreat the scale in blender

[heavy zephyr]

I can't really help further with blender questions

[mint badge]

okay

[frozen haven]

I think it might have something to do with this.

[heavy zephyr]

Sounds like it yeah

[frozen haven]

Have any idea how to fix that?

[mint badge]

btw i also got like a set of clothing that comes with animations and stuff but if i pull the prefab in all the scripts show as missing
is there a way to fix that or do i just have to manualy asighn the stuff by hand

[heavy zephyr]

That would most likely require putting it in blender and changing that angle

[heavy zephyr]

You are probably missing some dependencies

[mint badge]

the store page doesnt say i need to download anything else

also no readme doc or smt

[heavy zephyr]

Well that's ass-

[mint badge]

i just pulled the unity file in

[heavy zephyr]

Could be an ancient asset using dynamic bones?

[mint badge]

i can check when it came out

[heavy zephyr]

Or something using modular avatar

[mint badge]

wait that smt special?

i thought that was just a name of a colection or smt

😭

[heavy zephyr]

That's another thing similar to vrcfury

[mint badge]

ohhhhhh

they dont fight eachother tho right?

[heavy zephyr]

https://github.com/bdunderscore/modular-avatar Nah

[mint badge]

this right?

and i guess i just do the same directiory thing as vrcfury

i cant find where the directory thing is listed

am i being stupid

[heavy zephyr]

https://modular-avatar.nadena.dev/docs/intro#installation

[mint badge]

thx

eh

😭

[plain tusk]

Hello! I am back again with a few questions. I wish to add this prefab to my character, but I notice the file only has it for specific base avatars. Is it possible it could still work on my avatar if I just move items around?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qistDd-ULsE

[heavy zephyr]

Yes just move things around, adapt targets if necessary, otherwise no reason why it wouldn't work

[plain tusk]

I'm honestly a noob at using unity lol
how do I remove the megaphone looking thing so I can actually place items in the places I wish to add them on?

[heavy zephyr]

I wouldn't be able to give every single steps, that would take forever.

Try things out, look up tutorials for doing basic toggles and logic, then you might have an easier time modifying it.

[mint badge]

@heavy zephyr any idea why it just did that after adding MA

[plain tusk]

ah dang, okay

[mint badge]

also cant toggle these on anymore?

[heavy zephyr]

Seems like you clicked on the eye incon the the left of those, click again to show them

[mint badge]

yea i cant anymore

[heavy zephyr]

Odd, try restarting unity

[mint badge]

sure

ok so

pro and cons

i can toggle the clothes now

wait

yea the body is still fucked

[heavy zephyr]

?

[mint badge]

so if i pull the clothes off

it fixes it

ok so this set does it

prob to prevent clipping

but i want to have it ass a full togle

lemme try to find how to toggle the skin thing

found it

[heavy zephyr]

The set is just different from the body, you need to put it on lmao

[mint badge]

its this shit

[heavy zephyr]

Bunch of missing references

[mint badge]

no like when i put the set on it deformes my main body
prob to prevent clipping

[keen crystal]

this was my emmissions map from my drawing program, but i cant get the emmsions like i want them 🙁

[mint badge]

but when i toggle the inverse condition it fixes it so

idk it work

[heavy zephyr]

Doesn't tell us much, how are they different from what you expect?

[mint badge]

😭

[keen crystal]

sorry was working on it, this is how they look when put into unity

i want them on the white and the bright like blues

but its putting the emmision on the whole body

[heavy zephyr]

You've inverted mask and map

The mask determines where the emissions will be applied the map slaps colors onto spots.

[mint badge]

how would i turn this off with a toggle

[keen crystal]

ohhh okayy i see so how come when i put it into unity its way more black than i drew it out?

[mint badge]

doesnt seem to match anything in here

[heavy zephyr]

So as you said, this is to prevent clipping. I'd say leave it, turning off the outfit should revert those automatically

[keen crystal]

no difference 🙁

[heavy zephyr]

What are the settings for this texture?

[mint badge]

so i had to set a toggle for the main clothes of the set by hand bc its probably ment to be on for good so it doesnt have a toggle for that

[heavy zephyr]

Also I'd say get rid of the map

[heavy zephyr]

Maybe

[keen crystal]

uhh let me open substance and look

[heavy zephyr]

nono, in unity!

[keen crystal]

oh! um where do i check that?

[heavy zephyr]

Select the texture and show what the inspector window displays

[keen crystal]

also so just messing with it, doing this illuminates everything except where i want it to be glowy, i just put it back on map

[arctic ginkgo]

try disabling "sRGB (color texture)"

[heavy zephyr]

If it does, open the emission map slot and click on "invert"

[arctic ginkgo]

also the map should be the same as the albedo texture

[keen crystal]

same as what?

[arctic ginkgo]

the albedo texture

the main colors

[heavy zephyr]

Just leave it empty and select "use base colors"

It'll do the same

[arctic ginkgo]

ah didn't realize that was an option

i mostly do quest stuff so that's not an option 🙃

[heavy zephyr]

Yeeee

[keen crystal]

oh so the map slot doesnt have an invert option, only the mask does

[heavy zephyr]

Then leave map empty, put the texture as a mask, select "use base colors". If that doesn't work, try inverting it

[keen crystal]

that just causes the whole body to glow still >.< its okay if i dont have emmisions i suppose but would be cool lol

[plain tusk]

I'm trying to move the items where I want them to go but they won't move from where they are. Anyone know what it might be?

[keen crystal]

with and without inverting

its just so bright i dont get itt

[heavy zephyr]

No not this texture, the one you made!

[keen crystal]

ohh the black one!

[heavy zephyr]

Yes

[mint badge]

i just need to automate that button 😭

[heavy zephyr]

You shouldn't need to, just make a toggle for the outfit and try using it in play mode

[keen crystal]

it looks like its trying but for some reason its spotty, i think its following the pattern unity wants to see it as

[mint badge]

already did that it doesnt change the deformation thing tho

idk why

[stoic bobcat]

is there some way I can make a rig work for vrchat for these eyes to move well?

[mint badge]

@heavy zephyr forgot the ping W

[stoic bobcat]

would just be the pupils

[keen crystal]

i think its following this

[heavy zephyr]

Click on fix now?

[keen crystal]

doing that only illuminates whole body oddly

could it be i need to make a white background instead of transparent?

[heavy zephyr]

Then idk what to tell you, you'll need to do more than just using vrcfury

[heavy zephyr]

Background needs to be black

[mint badge]

im down to use whatever works

[heavy zephyr]

A mask texture needs to be white where things are allowed, black to exclude the rest

[heavy zephyr]

Aka learn how to do this stuff manually

[keen crystal]

right and the glow parts white, i think i may have saved it wrong, let me try

[heavy zephyr]

Probably using blendshapes instead of a rig

[mint badge]

just found a forum talking about how to fix it ill try that

[stoic bobcat]

i dont think you can use blendshapes for eye movement

probably will just have expressions or do a radial puppet 😭

[balmy barn]

can do some wierd setup with contacts and fake eyebones

[heavy zephyr]

Not automatically but you can very much make your own logic for it. Create dummy bones that will move and maybe adjust the blendshapes so they follow it?

[keen crystal]

that was it!!!! im so dumb im so sorry T-T

it was my fault alll along ;-;

[heavy zephyr]

It happens don't worry

[keen crystal]

i appreciate your help so much!!

[gritty furnace]

Hey there! So, I have this Vi outfit for my avatar that's behaving oddly. The clothing specifically is always being lit from the opposite direction from the rest of my avatar. What's REALLY confusing me is, I've tried two big fixes already. I checked it in Blender and the normals were backwards (red outside, I made it blue outside), and that actually didn't change anything at all. I also implemented VRCFury's built in Achor Override Fix, and that also didn't do anything. And of course, the clothing is using the same shader and settings as the rest of the avatar.

... I don't know what's left to try after that. Can anyone help?

[heavy zephyr]

Could you show those shader settings and possibly the contents of the skinned mesh renderer component?

[gritty furnace]

Sure, one sec.

To keep things uniform, I make a duplicate of the avatar's body material, and then just change the colour/normals.

The clothing was lighting backwards before even doing that, though.

[stoic bobcat]

I can try that, I’ll have to find a video for it

[heavy zephyr]

I don't see anything immediately wrong with it, the scale is big but that shouldn't matter, for the anchor override you could try placing your hips in there, for the rest no clue sadly.

[gritty furnace]

It is an enigma. I asked my own server too, and that's as far as we got. We're bamboozled.

[heavy zephyr]

Sorry I'm not an expert on shading and all that so there's isn't much more I can say ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive pelican]

There definitely a way to make that work, yeah.

Easiest is shader stuff.

Stencil whassname

[stoic bobcat]

I’ll just try to do the constraint stuff with blendshapes and see if that works

I’d just need to find a video on it so I understand what to do and follow that

[winged bobcat]

man i love how these errors tell me exactly how to fix them or what the problem is

[heavy zephyr]

There's probably more than just this one error in the console

[winged bobcat]

just the blueprint error that always shows up to throw you off

the "loaded data for an avatar we don't own"

[balmy barn]

restart unity try again see if more pops up

[winged bobcat]

already did that, same two errors

might be a connection thing, my last message took a sec to send

so my internet might be wiggin out

[slow panther]

so i’ve added an id badge to my avatar, parented the bones to the original armature, has the mesh object where it needs to be- exported fbx, loaded it ip into unity (haven’t changed any any export settings since i exported earlier and worked) not my model is just missing from the scene. the id badge showed up on the fbx model but not the actual unity model

and now it’s just not showing up either way

i was so close

idk what’s breaking

[devout ocean]

I need help to transfer my VRoid avatar into VRChat, i know how to do it, but it's too hard for me, and if you ask, i cannot pay anybody. and if you put it piblicly it isn't a problem, i really just want it, please dm me if you wanna help🙏

[somber sequoia]

probably didn't install the face tracking package

[devout ocean]

anyone to help me out?

[somber sequoia]

there's a free section at the VRC Traders discord, maybe there

[devout ocean]

Where?

[somber sequoia]

link is in #1204490664637890580

[devout ocean]

but how will they help?

will they actually hzlp?

[somber sequoia]

I cannot answer for anyone but myself, just suggesting possibilities.

[devout ocean]

can you give me the post's link?

[somber sequoia]

I'm sure you can search there or scroll through the list as well as I can

[devout ocean]

VRC traders

[sour sparrow]

is it possible to make it so a seperate mesh gets blasted away when i toggle something?

[heavy zephyr]

Ofc

[sour sparrow]

like i wanna make it so when i toggle smth, theres a seperate mesh on my model that will fly away and land on the ground

[somber sequoia]

probably

[sour sparrow]

how do i think i should tackle it

[heavy zephyr]

Animate the position of that other mesh?

[vague topaz]

so my boyfriend and I are trying to upload an avatar with edited textures. in unity the textures are there and they show up fine but when uploading it to vrchat and testing it in game, the textures either aren't there or it's all pink. we really don't know what to do and would greatly appreciate any help. if anyone knows what to do or can like sit in a call and help us go through it to see what's wrong. please help

[somber sequoia]

pink means something about the material is broken, missing texture maybe, missing/invalid shader, etc. Feel free to show a pic of the material in the inspector or something.

[vague topaz]

the thing is, in unity everything shows up as normal. only in vrchat itself does it show up pink

[somber sequoia]

Probably that means you've got an animation swapping in a broken material. Does it work in play mode?

[vague topaz]

yes it worked in play mode

[somber sequoia]

that's very strange then

[vague topaz]

would you be able to go into a vc and he can stream and show what's up if you're willing to help?

[somber sequoia]

I don't do that, sorry.

[vague topaz]

that's fine

do you know of any solutions we could try? we have tried to reimport the shaders and textures, and tried reuploading

[somber sequoia]

I can't imagine re-importing that stuff would change anything, I'd probably go through the animator and debug each part of it

[vague topaz]

how would we do that? is there like a youtube video or anything showing how to do that? we are new to editing and don't want to mess anything up

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea if there's a youtube for general debugging

[vague topaz]

we have no clue how to go about debugging

[heavy zephyr]

Quest or PC?

[vague topaz]

we are only focusing on pc

[heavy zephyr]

What are the settings for those textures?

[somber sequoia]

at the least, test every option, verify it works how you expect

[vague topaz]

Is it this? I’m not sure

[full dawn]

Would someone mind helping make reactive emissions between two specific avatars?
I'm wanting to make two titan fall piolets reactive to when they look at each other the emission on the helmet changes color. I've been trying to do this for so long with countless tutorials but none of them are giving me what I'm looking for.
I'm nearly there, I just need someone to help me make a animation hue shift thing so I can put it in the animater and set it as a receiver.

[somber sequoia]

that's a material, not a texture.

[vague topaz]

I personally don't know what I'm looking for

[somber sequoia]

textures are the image files which go into the materials. Near the top where it says "texture" there's a mini icon, if you click on that, it'll take you to the actual image file used.
I don't know what you were supposed to be looking up, just answering this one question.

[torn pagoda]

ola ( hello)

não consigo fazer up na minha conta secundaria ( I can't upload it to my secondary account )

[full dawn]

You could log out of your VRCSDK with the account you currently have selected, then log back into the account you want to upload on

[torn pagoda]

? I don't understand

[full dawn]

Você pode sair do seu VRCSDK com a conta selecionada no momento e depois fazer login novamente na conta para a qual deseja fazer upload

[torn pagoda]

The thing is, I'm trying to do it on my secondary account.
but I get this error.

[full dawn]

Você não pode fazer upload porque não usou a conta por tempo suficiente para desbloqueá-la.
Um que você tem, ele lhe dará uma notificação

[torn pagoda]

o que eu fasso então pra consegui upa pra minha conta

[full dawn]

Não tenho certeza. Mas você precisa de tempo de jogo na conta, ela lhe dirá quando você pode fazer o upload. Geralmente não demora muito

[torn pagoda]

então é só joga e espera o negocio me libera ?

[full dawn]

Sim, basicamente. Geralmente leva de alguns dias a uma semana.

[torn pagoda]

aaa mais n quero espera isso tudo

meu avatar ja demorei semanas pra termina e agora mais ainda pra upa

[full dawn]

Não vai demorar muito. Pelo menos você tem uma pequena pausa depois de gastar tanto tempo para fazer o avatar

[torn pagoda]

verdade

mas, já queria usalo

[full dawn]

Basta usá-lo na conta para a qual você já o enviou

Espero que isso ajude :3

[torn pagoda]

esse é o ponto eu n consegui upa pra minha conta que queria

[long sierra]

I will try that. What's weird is that I know that AnimatorPlayAudio usually isn't supposed to have a clip inside the audio source, but it didn't work even when there wasn't a clip in there, nor did it work with one, without the AnimatorPlayAudio component

[full dawn]

Tudo bem, espere um pouco.
Tudo o que posso recomendar é que você permaneça ativo na conta que deseja enviar e fique atento às atualizações

[torn pagoda]

[cursive spade]

Is it possible to have it so when I grab some physbones, neighboring physbone chains get pulled somewhat too?
Say on a dress, I grab the bottom and pull. It only pulls that grabbed part, the rest of the dress doesn't move, and it seems unnatural

Or on a cape. If a cape has multiple chains of bones, grabbing one corner and pulling won't lift the entire cape sadly.
Is there a way to do this?

[arctic ginkgo]

I don't think so, no.

there may be some convoluted way you could set it up with constraints maybe?

but physbones are more intended to simulate chains, that was their main focus in the way they were developed

hopefully VRChat eventually makes their own cloth sim we could use though, that would be nice

[cursive spade]

Darn, oh well

[arctic ginkgo]

or just something similar to your suggestion, like a physbone lattuce structure

[somber sequoia]

*cough* Magica Cloth

[opal canopy]

where do I find "VRChat/Mobile"

[heavy zephyr]

In the shaders selection

[opal canopy]

thank you so much

[atomic depot]

np!!

[opal canopy]

how do I add an item into the expressions menu and make it so that it can be toggled on and off and also have the ability to be placed in the world

[atomic depot]

I'd get and use VRCFury, with that you can use the following components:
"Armature Link" to link the item to your hand (or wherever)
"Toggle" (with a "Object Toggle") to add a toggle for it
"Toggle" (with a "World Drop") to place it in the world
https://vrcfury.com/

It should look like this once you've added all 3:

Here's a little tutorial if you need one:
https://youtu.be/m3SH2_7Erqo

[opal canopy]

thank you so much again

[heavy zephyr]

That's how people do world drops now? Bruh

[atomic depot]

yw!!

[atomic depot]

yeah i mean my personal go-to if it were part of a bigger asset would be to use a parent constraint and use the "Freeze to World" checkbox but that requires all the manual work of animating and parameters so it's not something i'd recommend to anyone who's new to unity especially just for a world drop toggle

[verbal plaza]

i suppose this would be the right place to ask for help lol

[primal spruce]

making a animation for avi, and when animation ends it loops again
i want it to change my apperance (which it does) and i want it to stay like that, am i doing sum wrong or?

[somber sequoia]

are you using AnyState in your animator layer?

[primal spruce]

bool

[somber sequoia]

that is not at all an answer to my question. Can you show the animator layer?

[somber sequoia]

ok so you are not using AnyState.

what are the conditions for the transition from on to off?

well probably the first thing is to find the animation file, click on it, and in the inspector, make sure the loop checkbox is off 🙂

[primal spruce]

well damn

loop was on

[somber sequoia]

nice, I like when it's easy

re: AnyState, I was going to ask if the "can transition to self" checkbox was on, that should be off.
Doesn't apply here though.

[molten inlet]

im ahving a issue

i put everything at the center in blender and the SDK and still doing this

[long sierra]

It looks the issue is that it's just not changing the variable when I click the toggle button

[twilit torrent]

I don't understand why my Viewpoint is looking at the feet of my character but i placed it right between the eyes

[opal canopy]

my avatar wont let me use it on quest, when I uploaded it, it had no errors saying that it cant be on quest but for some reason it wont let me get quest compatability

[opal canopy]

how am I supposed to find where this is actually located, when I click on the button it just takes me to the avatar

[twilit torrent]

If you have a few textures, check if they are using mobile shaders

It should be toon Vrchat mobile shaders

It says you are using PoiyomiToon. You should be using the provided VRChat alternative

I hope that helps

[opal canopy]

yea ive set all the ones that I can find to that

I just dont know where the final one is and I have no way of finding it atm

[twilit torrent]

Unity can store erroneous cache sometimes. Reloading the VRChat SDK or reopening the unity project could help

Or making a new project

[opal canopy]

ight ill try that thanks

[twilit torrent]

Tbh Unity can be such a nuisance sometimes

[opal canopy]

i just dont understand how a shader is somehow hidden or gone missing and unity thinks its there

odd, its allowing me to build it now even though the error is still there, well guess ill see if it actually works

well new issue, is there any way to get past this?

[arctic ginkgo]

it's just a folder that you can't see

the way poiyomi works is there is a "master" shader that has all features, then when you upload the shader it "locks" it, which is really just stripping away all features that go unused, and generating a new, optimized shader. This is put in the "hidden" folder, so it's not accessible when you select a shader to use for a material.

[opal canopy]

ah

thank you

[arctic ginkgo]

in reality, nothing is completely hidden from you. All this means is you have a material slot on your avatar that is still using poiyomi. The shader file itself is stored in a folder which is inside of the same folder as the material itself

if you really want to delete the optimized "locked" shaders, you can do so by locating this folder and deleting the folder or the individual file.

try typing t:renderer in your hierarchy search bar

[opal canopy]

thank you

where do I find my avatars textures to reduce the resoloution

[arctic ginkgo]

depends where the creator put them

you can always select a mesh, then a material, then a texture if you want to find one

[opal canopy]

is there a way to reduce a meshes resoloution

[arctic ginkgo]

but just try looking through the avatar files, they're usually in a folder labeled accordingly

[arctic ginkgo]

?

do you mean polygon count?

[opal canopy]

(I have no idea what I would need to do to get the Mb down)

[arctic ginkgo]

try using the tool BuildSizeViewer

then when you build the avatar, it will provide a breakdown

letting you know what is contributing the most to filesize

[opal canopy]

where do I find it?

also thanks so much for the help

[arctic ginkgo]

https://github.com/MunifiSense/VRChat-Build-Size-Viewer

[opal canopy]

tysm

thank you so much for your help, ive found what I need now

[stray trench]

whats the deal

this is the quest version, using toon standard for everything

if im right, the face- the only thing that isnt pink- is the only thing that isnt changed by menus or toggles

[sour sparrow]

how do i make it so when i turn on my toggle, a seperate mesh turns on and plays an animation for that mesh

[boreal furnace]

how long does it take to have acces uploading my ava

[sour sparrow]

and the object is placed within the world

[sour sparrow]

pretty sure you gotta be new user rank to be able to do that, just play vrc for a while

[boreal furnace]

but i lost the account

[stray trench]

gotta get a new one then

[boreal furnace]

nvm i can login on my phone

[stray trench]

praying htat kazin guy shows up

[junior void]

pink materials = broken or wrong shaders, aka using windows build mode and previewing a quest model in play mode or vice versa causes it too

could also be an animated material that changes it only in play mode. would be in the fx layer

[stray trench]

i know what pink means, but this is in android view, with vrchat mobile shaders

[stray trench]

im trying to wrap my head around this but might be too tired right now lol

[mint badge]

you sould have a folder with materials that you have to apply a shader to

[stray trench]

i made all of them toon standard

[mint badge]

maybe you applied it to the wrong ones?

[stray trench]

i swear on everything thats holy god kill me if im lying its the right ones

[mint badge]

😭

is the shader in the preview pink?

like the icon

[stray trench]

not in the preview but in play mode it is

and quest users tell me im pink as well

[mint badge]

huh

[ornate stump]

Try updating vrcfury.

[stray trench]

okay stay right there ill be back in 2 minutes

[mint badge]

ik there is an error when the shaders dont lock

I gotta get into animating today kill me already 😭

[stray trench]

i am dreading that day

idc how lazy people think i am, theyre right, i am not doing that shit

[mint badge]

LMAO

so real

I just want one feature that I think would be Hella funny

and I need to animate for that im pretty sure

[stray trench]

same, i want to animate my shirt so that it shows different funny graphics tees every time i join a world

pprob something to do with a sprite sheet

[ornate stump]

You have never seen this abomination #avatar-general message

[mint badge]

just no

tf even is that for😭

[hollow mountain]

uhhhh

[mint badge]

ahhh

looks great

[junior void]

âgain, if it is animated to change the material to a pc one in play mode, it would apply to android too

[hollow mountain]

Clothes like to do this when going into play mode, not sure, but I think it's anything bound to the legs. Using VRCFury and AV3Emulator, will do a test upload in a sec to see if this applies ingame.

[stray trench]

oh i see what youre saying

[hollow mountain]

Happened with a different clothing set earlier, so not an issue of the asset itself.

[stray trench]

i dont believe thats the issue i changed every material to android

ill double check because thats the most obvious possibility

[junior void]

you can check that by temporarily removing your fx layer

[stray trench]

it could be vrcquesttools doesnt consider the stuff in the fx layer

[stray trench]

yep this fixed it

oh i know what happened actually

[ornate stump]

So it's some animation trying to change material.

[stray trench]

this is going to shock everybody but its because i made a mistake

[mint badge]

😭

it always comes back to this

[stray trench]

if anyone was curious, my face tracking on quest was tweaking so i was told its likely because the fx layers across platforms arent identical, so i just absent mindedly copied the pc fx layer over to the android version

and i dont understand the fx layer stuff so i didnt realize itd cause this issue

[mint badge]

makes sense

[frail badger]

dumb question about constraints + trying to get constraints to sync between you + other people seeing your avatar: does "local only" make it so only you see the effect it's tied to? because i have some contact receivers set to local only because i want to be the only person activating the effects but other people currently cant see them

[hollow mountain]

I beleive so.

[mint badge]

local means most of the time only you can see it

doesn't have to do who can toggle it

as far as I know

[hollow mountain]

Just to double check, they're on the same platform, have you fully enabled, sheild level??

[hollow mountain]

Anyone able to help me with this btw? ;w;

I already got paid 145$ for this commission for a friend and I don't wanna take too much longer for them :<

[ornate stump]

Constraints don't sync.

[frail badger]

all pc, yeah

[frail badger]

oh fr thats a shame

[hollow mountain]

Oml I just read your playing thing, I feel that.

[frail badger]

its weird because all the other animations involving constraints work

[hollow mountain]

Lookat this BS

[frail badger]

i just added a bit more tricks to it and the new additions dont work

[hollow mountain]

The leg warmers have come alive and they're screaming for freedom

Well that's wonderfully ominous it's just stuck on this now.

[junior void]

is the background of your avatar blue?

[hollow mountain]

The shaders?

[junior void]

no, the window of the scene itself

[hollow mountain]

No.

Unity smells that I have been paid and now decides it wants to hate me.

[junior void]

bummer, that wouldve been the easiest fix lol

[hollow mountain]

Know anything about this? ;w;

[junior void]

happened to me a few times when i edited stuff in blender

so question is what did you do

[frail badger]

might be the same uv mapping issue i had a few days ago

[hollow mountain]

This screenshot is in play mode with VRCFury and AV3 emulator. Accessories bound to the head seem fine, but it hates the legs and does whatever this is.

And absolutely nothing, these assets are untouched, just dragged and dropped.

[junior void]

can i see whats it like outside of play mode

since i have no idea what these are

[hollow mountain]

Those are supposed to be leg warmers.

By default they're all shrunk and hidden in the legs.

When using the blendshape to make them appear they look completely fine.

[junior void]

ahhh i was gonna ask where

ok ok so vrcfury yes?

[hollow mountain]

Yep.

[junior void]

would help to see the armature link settings

[hollow mountain]

Okie, one moment :3

Thanks for the help by the way, just got paid for the commission and I really hate that unity wants to act up now.

[frail badger]

how do i slow down an emote btw

[junior void]

not a problem really. i just cant promise i have the answer but ill try

[frail badger]

did this and its still default speed

[hollow mountain]

I beleive you'd have to di it in the actual animation? If I remember right I think 'speed' is just how quickly it actually begins/ends the animation

[hollow mountain]

Thank youu still!

Lemme find the armature settings, that'd be on the asset that's buggin?

[junior void]

ye

[frail badger]

like manually space out the frames?

[hollow mountain]

I can also call and screenshare if you'd like.

[hollow mountain]

Not sure, only animations I ever did was for very simple toggles.

[junior void]

gimme a sec, got a call from bf

[hollow mountain]

And that was like, extremely early 2022

[hollow mountain]

Okie

[hollow mountain]

It indeed is still fucked on an actual upload

[junior void]

lets see advanced options

[hollow mountain]

Where is that?

[hollow mountain]

There we go.

[junior void]

what happens if you untick align position and rotation

i saw the scale is not uniform with your avi so thats probably fine

[hollow mountain]

In play mode it looks fine, lemme do a test upload and see if it's going well then.

What about this?

[junior void]

if youre previewing this as a prefab, this is normal. the prefab itself is in your assets folder, not on the avi

[hollow mountain]

This is the 1.2 of the novabeast btw.

[junior void]

so itll be gone when its on the avatar

[hollow mountain]

Eee! It appears to be fixed!

[junior void]

make sure you test poses as well

crouch, lean, bend knees

[hollow mountain]

I wonder if it's caused by the update to the novabeast? I believe the warmers are meant for the 1.0 or 1.1

Also is jumping around wildly sufficient? I haven't tossed gogo-loco on there yet.

[junior void]

sure as long as you dont see no massive clipping or lagging behind

looks good tho

[hollow mountain]

Yayy! Thankie!

[frail badger]

status update: found where I should be editing, but every time i edit it, it resets back to 1. any ideas?

[night ingot]

hey guys i want eyelid/upper face tracking for my avatar, how do i do it i couldnt find anything online

[junior void]

well, you need blendshapes for that. did you make any?

[ornate stump]

It's auto generated by vrcfury. You'd have to actually check and edit the vrcfury component to change the state aspects.

[bitter wolf]

Anyone know why the vrchat creators website says 8 Physbone Components as the limit while ingame it says 6?

[ornate stump]

The limit is 8 though. You might be confused with "recommended" number.

[bitter wolf]

Also, when I try to upload my quest avi, one texture keeps swapping to an unsupported one (poiyomi) automatically when the SDK is opened up.

No matter what I do, it doesn't want to fix itself.

[balmy barn]

got a controller in your animator? remove that

sdk now reads it when you click its tab, like mine kept removing hat

[bitter wolf]

So from now on, only have the FX layer in the FX section and not in the Controller as well?

[balmy barn]

before upload just remove any controller in it - seen it causing issues on one of my avatars

[stray trench]

how would i pin down where this shader is?

ive tried looking everywhere on the avi and should all be toon standard

[timber wharf]

often its particles/trails

[stray trench]

yea i think i just found it

changed it but it still says it

i checked every mesh on it and the materials on the meshes

[dawn wharf]

Could anyone tell me why my body ends up rippling within the game? Looks fine in Unity and Play Mode..

It's like something is deforming my mesh when I go into game, yes, I've checked in other worlds and it is still an issue

Starting to think maybe it's just a blendshape I am turning on, on accident...

It was a tessellation shader 👍

[lusty shadow]

does anyone know how to fix this?

[median saddle]

Can someone help with a toggle? i use a simple vrcfury toggle bc its very easy to put on an avatar, the thing is i want it to sync between quest and pc so if toggle it on or off it does the same on quest, is there a way to do it with vrcfury or do i have to do it in another way?

[timber wharf]

@lusty shadow dont do test builds on android platform, just upload

@median saddle https://vrcfury.com/tutorials/quest/ tl;dr ofc have same toggle on both, always reupload quest version after pc even if nothing was changed in quest one.

[lusty shadow]

ty

Is anyone willing to give me a hand with optisiming a very large file size avi so that i can get a quest compatible version??

[somber sequoia]

start by removing all of the extra outfits and props 🙂

[lusty shadow]

okay, but i currently cant get the phys bone transform count down, and i also have wayyy to many triangles

also im really really shit at using unity so if anyone would be willing to vc and let me share screen for some help that would be hella useful

[somber sequoia]

probably just means fewer bones in the physbone chains, or simply fewer chains.

[lusty shadow]

i don't know what this means 😭

[somber sequoia]

physbones are just physics effects on a chain of bones. Think of a tail - it has a root bone, then several others along the length, in a chain. Each bone is a "transform".

[lusty shadow]

okay but i do not know how to deal with it

[somber sequoia]

you reduce the total physbone transform count by literally having fewer bones in a given physbone chain, or by having fewer things which have physbones

[gritty furnace]

@heavy zephyr Got the fix to this. It does require one little step in Blender. Under Geometry Data, if the object has Custom Split Normal Data, clear it. And that's it! Everything's lighting from the right direction now.

[somber sequoia]

this could mean merging bones in blender, it could mean just not having something move, like not having hair movement effects or something like that.

[lusty shadow]

okay well im down to 68/64 now butr the only ones ive got left are the 2 hair physbones

[carmine cliff]

Hello all waves I come from meshing hard surface static furniture in blender and would love to get a toe into VRC model customisazion/ basic rigging,..

so I am bloody new to VR and unity and all that and find myself struggling hard even to upload the first booth avatar(I bought for a start an avatar, clothing and accessory). So I would love to ask if anyone of you could lend me a bit of your time and help me in a vc a bit for a start into all? That would be soooo kind!
(I watched also some YT tuts but yeah.. I am scared to break things) ♥

[junior void]

you dont even wanna know how many avatars i broke

its more likely youll get support here handling one issue at a time

[carmine cliff]

😅 😅 This gives hope! 😄 - thank you for your response! Yeah I just thought I have so many small questions that a vc might be more efficient .. also I am not so sure where to start - but I understand. ^.^

[junior void]

i get that its a lot, but truth be told, not everyone knows all a to z about avatars

[lusty shadow]

guys how can i reduce the triangle count and the bone count

[junior void]

both are done in blender

[lusty shadow]

fml i've never used blender

@junior void is there any chance you'd be willing to vc and give me a hand?

[junior void]

if you have extra assets installed, removing them may also be suffiecient for what you need

sorry, i dont feel like it today

[lusty shadow]

there is lots of toggleable clothes and shit

but when i remove them it doesnt lower the bone count

so

[junior void]

yea your bones are probably merged using vrcfury then

in that case you remove assets that add extra bones, like moving straps or hair

really depends on how its set up tho

thatll only work if your assets have their own armature

otherwise blender only

[carmine cliff]

maybe he deleted the clothed but not the bones? I saw in a video you have to delete them seperatly

[carmine cliff]

yes that's true. maybe how I communicated my request scared people. My Apology 😨

For me it is just for an 'basic into'. like when I make a hair pin in blender, how can I add it to the avatar to move it with the hair. how to make it toggle able in the vrc .. maybe if I see it right it is called AMS? how to use a gif on e.g. eyes?
How to change the length of e.g. the hair. (I could edit the mesh in blender but the model has some scripts I guess for a hair length slider.. so I don't know where to find this and how I can go from the mesh to the unity system,..) such questions. Uhm ok maybe it is a bit ambitious 😅 😅

[junior void]

to make things move with the avatar, you need to parent the item unter the same armature in blender and then weight paint it to the bone you want it to move with. so maybe try a weight painting tutorial

[carmine cliff]

Uhm so I make the bones and weight painting in blender?

[junior void]

you can toggle items in unity when they are a separate object in the hierarchy. or, if you decide to merge the hair clip for example to the hair mesh, you only choice is to use blendshapes to "suck it into the head" to hide it or use alpha/discarding (transparency) on the texture

likely your hair has bones already

your head has bones too

so no need to make a new bone for a hair pin, use whats there and paint it, yes

[carmine cliff]

which hierarchy do you mean? the tree on the left side?

[junior void]

all of that

you can toggle each item on its own by using the object active checkbox in unity

[carmine cliff]

like this hide toggle?

[junior void]

ye

[carmine cliff]

so the upload is a "you upload what you see"? Like in blender when I bake textures it doesn't matter if they are hidden or visable (it's a different botton to make them not 'used' for exporting/baking,..)

[junior void]

you upload whats parented under the avatar root

[carmine cliff]

hahaha the "useless light" 😄 - ty so much! that helps!!

[junior void]

in the upload screen of the sdk, youll get to pick your avatar. so basically you can have multiple avatars in the scene, not both will upload, just the one youll pick in the upload sdk screen

[carmine cliff]

ohhhh so I could make a double avatar there like copy paste and 'break' one for testing? sorry for this questions xD my head has like a knot on how unity works - jet 😄

ahhh found it! 😄

[junior void]

yep, absolutely can

when making animations, you actually should use a clone because of the bike pose. it may get stuck so its less trouble if the trash one gets messed up

[carmine cliff]

hmm what is the bike pose please? ahh I mean for animation like a texture animation just a gif.. like a blinking star in the eyes e.g.

[junior void]

youll know it when you see it lol

[carmine cliff]

haha ok

let's break things! 😄

[junior void]

🎉

[carmine cliff]

blendshapes... this you make in unity?

[junior void]

no, blender

[carmine cliff]

one more question here.. when I make all visable under the avatar root e.g. beside the head, all will be invisible in the vrc but the complexity and all invisible clothings,.. all mesh is kinda still there and also uploaded?

I saw this model uses I think alpha masks for making things visable and invisible as many use the same UV

[carmine cliff]

ohh ok. Never did it before 😅 but I guess for that I can find a tutorial

[junior void]

hidden meshes will also upload, dont worry. some assets are "off" by default because they likely have a toggle in the ingame menu. Also, the way you upload it will be how the avatar preview will look like in vrchat when you first pick it in the menu

Just be careful when disabling say the body. if theres no ingame toggle for it, youll be a floating head

lol

[carmine cliff]

ahh great! ohh one more question. when I upload it.. it doesn't make it available for everyone through this prismic's avatar world or?

[junior void]

generally, in the upload screen you get the choice to upload as private or public. private avatars cannot be cloned or put up anywhere even if you have cloning on

as for avatar search worlds, you can contact the owner to blacklist the avatar also

[carmine cliff]

ohh ok so I should use always private as long I don't have resell rights I guess

[junior void]

it depends on the license

i make avatars too but my rules allow public uploads

[carmine cliff]

it has personal use only

ahh ok

[junior void]

personal use usually means 'you cannot make and sell edits' meaning giving the files to someone

but uploading as public does not give someone the files

so check the upload policy

[carmine cliff]

ah well hum or maybe I should read it again - I didn't watched it so much in depth jet about cloning

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fuuko-ibuki-salute-girl-cute-gif-21773862

[carmine cliff]

ohh may I see some you made please? if you like to share?

[junior void]

its furry stuff^^

[carmine cliff]

Ohh I see now! - nice card!

[lusty shadow]

so how would i remove the bones from the ponytail? it selects too many, i dont wanna delete them all

[balmy barn]

start merging bones ( heres cats way ) 2-3 can be fine depends

[pine valley]

You can use ctrl-X to dissolve bones together, but I don't remember if this correctly updates vertex weights

[sour sparrow]

yoyo can I maybe get some help please?

[lone flax]

how do I stop the foot of my avatar creepin through the shoe there's no blendshapes for the body btw and the shoes were made for this avatar so idk what's wrong

[hollow mountain]

Watch out, there's some oddball that looks through this channel for poeple who need help, go on an alt to friend you ( So his main doesn't get banned and he can keep it up. ), and run a sort of scam.

You'll get a friend request from an account that isn't even in the server, they'll give some excuse as to why they're not in the server but still able to see which makes no sense such as "I muted the server".

[austere bay]

what with?

[hollow mountain]

Guy had a banned fiverr in his alts bio, so I'm guessing the ploy is to try and dig you to commission or pay for help, then scam.

[austere bay]

not sure how to fix it in unity as I don't add clothing in unity but i can show you how to add in blender if you're comfortable with that!

[hollow mountain]

@oblique jacinth Here's the guy by the way, accidentally friended me on his main before cancelling the friend request instantly and going to his alt.

[lusty shadow]

i wanna delete them entirely, and just leave the bones for the other hairstyles

[sour sparrow]

well im looking to make it so when someone makes contact with my avatar (like an arm for example) it'll automatically toggle on so that the model goes from the normal model to a destroyed one (which is also have)

[lone flax]

I thought the only way was blender, I just wanted to know if i could do it in unity. also I can fix it in blender myself thanks👍

[hollow mountain]

Is that itadori??

[sour sparrow]

yeah ive been encountering those kinda ppl too unfortunately, here and in the blender help place

[austere bay]

if they're two separate meshes that's going to be incredibly unoptimised, do you know how many tris/polys each mesh has?

[lusty shadow]

would anyone be willing to hop in vc with me and give me a hand with blender?

[hollow mountain]

Yeah, it's a shame that the staff have really no way to defend against it too.

[austere bay]

if you let me know what you need help with here I can try help! (not in vc sorry)

[sour sparrow]

way too much, but i havent at all been paying attention to how optimized it is, I just wanna have the effect i want

[hollow mountain]

Since by never doing much on their main besides watching the channels theres no 'evidence' to ban the main, and besides they can just pop onto another alt and hop back into the server.

[austere bay]

well it is important to keep it optimised, you can use phys contacts and stuff to trigger the animations

but I'm more concerned about how unoptimised that's going to be if it's a completely different model

[sour sparrow]

yeah, they di something along the lines of just wanting to do the thing for you, which i dont trust because they most likely will try to ask for payment.

[hollow mountain]

Could probably just keep a message pinned saying "Watch out! There be scammers about!"

[hollow mountain]

And to actually do it for you, ya gotta either hand over the files, which means they get free stuff, or let them remote into your PC which is a bad idea in the first place even if not a scam.

[sour sparrow]

well scratch that, let's just say i wanna toggle an alternate body thats connected to the main armature but is supposed to simulate damage, how can I make it so contact upon my arm would make it so the toggle is on

[austere bay]

with contacts, I'll record a little video explaining, gimme a few minutes <3

[hollow mountain]

Are you trying to make the avatar change in reaction to damage, like gibs in tf2?

[sour sparrow]

TYSM!!!

[hollow mountain]

Blendshapes would be your best bet for simplicity and optimization, but blender is awful to work with if you're not already familiar

[summer spade]

Trying my hands at a shirt lift blendshape so I can grab it with a bone in game, but I am unable to figure out how to make it so it doesn't get absolutely deformed by chest/hip rotation and movement, is a blendshape just not the right tool for the job?

[rain cave]

Hey just checking if i understood the docs on animating PhysBones Stiffness, Pull, etc. right:

toggle off the component -> change values -> toggle component on
Like in the picture using 3 frames?

[sour sparrow]

yeah, I have a character that ive wanted to do a lot with, this included, so that when I have the setting on someone can simulate punching my arm and it'll fall off like in the movie, although ive scrapped the idea of actually making the arm fly off because that would be way too complicated.

but i want to make it so that theres a toggle for the damaged body, and contact activates that toggle, but i can have another setting to where I can make it so the contact wouldnt work if that makes sense.

[hollow mountain]

Maybe just a blendshape to make the arm dissapear from the main body, and chop off the arm in blender, have it toggle on seperately, toss a blood particle in there, and bam?

Could maybe do it with shaders? Not entirely sure, I usually don't do complicated stuff lol.

Furry avatars tend to be a lot simpler than others

Also hopefully this doesn't go against the rules to reccomend this, but check out ALCOM, it's like the creator companion but wayyy WAYY better

[lusty shadow]

@austere bay im trying to get rid of these bones (the and the ponytail all together) but if i delete them then it just deletes everything under armature

[hollow mountain]

Like it had me giggling like a goblin cause it's got a dedicated button for copying projects

[hollow mountain]

If you're wanting to get rid of just the ponytail you could probably cheese it in unity if blenders being weird

[lusty shadow]

no this is about reducing the bone/poly count for quest optimisation

i already got rid of it in unity @hollow mountain

[hollow mountain]

Oh I've got no idea then

Good on you for omptimizing though, I generally just "if it fits on quest at all it's good enough"

[sour sparrow]

thats what my mindset is tbh.

[austere bay]

I haven't done anything with contacts in forever so I'm a bit rusty but I hope I explained it well!!

[austere bay]

I think I can see what you're doing, gimme 2 seconds and I'll record a video for you too bc it's a bit easier to explain that way!!

[hollow mountain]

Fr, like with the new headsets just 1mb more wouldn't hurt at all

Literally just equates to "For every 10 people there's 1 more person" if that makes sense

[heavy zephyr]

The Quest is already strained with current limits

Adding more is a really bad idea

[hollow mountain]

Quest 3 I feel would be fine once it becomes the main. And besides if a quest user is in a world with 30 people which is already pushing it slightly that just means the equivalent of 3 more, right?

[heavy zephyr]

Even with like 10 people the Quest runs barely at 30 fps

And you can't just tell everyone with a quest 2 to get lost

[austere bay]

it's not just about the size of the avatars though, the 10mb limit also helps to make sure the rest of the avatar is optimised imo

lowering texture res means lowering the memory too, removing things to reduce size helps tor educe poly count etc

[hollow mountain]

I said when the quest 3 becomes the main, as in once the quest 2 reaches the status of the original quest.

[balmy barn]

just retire quest 2 from vrchat, that will go great ( 3 isnt that much better )

[sour sparrow]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I appreciate your help sm, I will go and try it out, I'll report back!

[austere bay]

sorry the vids a bit quiet, I didn't realise when i was recording </3

[heavy zephyr]

Even then, the Quest 3 enjoys a tiny bit of headroom. You definitely don't want to murder that

[sour sparrow]

yeah exactly... and ive been trying to make my characters accurate to their source material so I do what I can until I have to lower texture sizes.

[sour sparrow]

it was perfectly clear to me, thanks for the concern though!

[balmy barn]

retire q2 , okey now to get higher limits and lower the small amount of fps 3 had over 2 since we can make slightly heavier avatar wat logic

[austere bay]

I make all of my avatars which usually start at 500,000+ tris before optimisation quest compatible and optimised with no issue, it's 100% possible to optimise an avatar and have it still look nice and work well in vr

[hollow mountain]

I feel like 1 tenths wouldn't "murder" anything.

[sour sparrow]

yeah I gotcha

[heavy zephyr]

You can already get away with Quest avis having 200k+ polys. Add 10% to that and you'll see the impact.

[sour sparrow]

I really like making avatars but not knowing how I can recreate something is kinda frustrating lol, I wish unity was more compatible with other things

[timber wharf]

unlike q1, that noone really bought, q2 being around 40% now, wont go extinct anytime soon, not sooner than, say, vive controllers support 🫠

[austere bay]

what is unity not compatible with that you want it to be compatible with?

[sour sparrow]

well things like easier ways to go about toggles, ability to do more, saving my email and password when making new avatars, stuff like that.

[hollow mountain]

See, my avatar has 4 clothing sets and a few addons, and only has 130k polygons.

[lusty shadow]

i got the root but i can't get everything else selected, i press L and it selects another root

[austere bay]

vrchat fury helps you make toggles, I don't personally use it but a lot of people swear by it

[balmy barn]

blendtree make toggles super easy not that i find other toggles hard either (multiple paramters ect) that not really unitys fault, just learning curve

[hollow mountain]

When you raise the ceiling to something quite ridiculous where you'd have to be quite negligent to reach that amount then of course a hypothetical 10% more is gonna cause damage when the baseline you set is already crap.

[austere bay]

just select them normally then, L doesn't always select everything

[heavy zephyr]

And I would argue that's already too much. Besides, limits apply to everyone. So just because you do things a certain way, doesn't mean that others won't abuse it and bring performance down

[austere bay]

make sure you're in edit mode too!

[sour sparrow]

yeah it is very helpful, why don't you use vrcfury if I may ask?

[balmy barn]

can only do basic things , wanna do something slightly advanced, ooof

[lusty shadow]

i dont get why i cant just delete stuff from the menu on the right, its so frustrating

[hollow mountain]

If people are going to abuse something to intentionally make performance worse, it wouldn't be 1mb of texture memory to be fair.

[austere bay]

I like to know exactly what I'm doing and whats going on in my projects, I also like to know how to do everything, I don't want to rely too much on something to do everything for me and I find when I have issues with vrchat fury it's difficult to fix them as I don't entirely know what its done, whereas if I've done it myself I know exactly what I've done and where I've probably messed up, sorry for the long answer :)

[timber wharf]

i wish that one day devs will make it possible to upload different versions as different avatars without us being forsed to cram every exclusive clothing set into one..

[hollow mountain]

What??

[timber wharf]

ye imagine

[hollow mountain]

What're you talking about? You can just make one optimized version, then another where you cram everything in.

[sour sparrow]

yeah thats true...

[timber wharf]

if only we could upload more than one avi

[pine valley]

the same premise as having windows vs. android avatars

[austere bay]

it's to do with edit mode, edit mode is where you can actually change each individual bone, like how edit mode is where you change individual vertices

[lusty shadow]

also @austere bay when i select the bones it only gives me the option to dissolve them i cant delete them

[heavy zephyr]

You're still giving them more leeway to do so in a context that is already strained. It simply isn't a good idea. Also if your problem is down to 1MB of VRAM specifically, just drop texture quality a little or merge two textures and problem solved

[sour sparrow]

also it does work, I thank you for that, but may I ask how to keep the toggle on until I toggle it off?

because I wanna make it so when someone hits my arm, the damage applies until I toggle the damage off if that makes sense

[hollow mountain]

Merging two textures on completely different sets of items/objects isn't that simple. And there's a point of lowering quality where it goes from 'bad' to 'unrecognizable' .

[heavy zephyr]

Then you have too many clothing options. Hence why someone right above was telling you sarcastically "if only we could upload multiple versions of an avi"

[hollow mountain]

Also like I said 1mb of texture memory won't be exploited specifically for performance drops. How often do you see someone just get extremely lagged out rather than outright crashed.

[balmy barn]

is this a ' i need 1mb more so vrchat should increase limits, cause i havnt learned to optimize tiny bit more ? ' <10mb vram isnt hard

[pine valley]

running out of VRAM is pretty catastrophic

also, note that VRAM and download size are unrelated concepts

[balmy barn]

99% vram use on pc is 'fun' wheres my frames then might crash

[austere bay]

in the FX layer, have the trigger on the parameter thats on the arm and the toggle off be a different parameter that you put in your menu as a button, that should work, again I'm a bit rusty, I haven't done it in a while so I'm sorry if this is wrong but I think that's how you do it! I will record a video

[hollow mountain]

And to take advantage of 1mb extra to that point would require a whole ton of people acting together maliciously in the same server, yes?

[heavy zephyr]

No, it would just happen naturally over time as people who can't be bothered to optimize anything just upload more slop

[pine valley]

vrchat has chosen these limits so that you probably have a good experience

[hollow mountain]

Most of the 'points' you've been trying to make have just been mockery. Fen and Kirian have been holding a proper debate but you just kind of say whatever.

[sour sparrow]

thank you so much!

[pine valley]

there's no concrete reason these exact numbers are used

[balmy barn]

'i made avatars in unity' why is it lagging

[hollow mountain]

Mmm, yeah, good point.

[hollow mountain]

Proving my point there man.

[balmy barn]

cool this isnt general chat or #avatar-optimization

[sour sparrow]

I hope its not a hassle to ask... but one more thing is that would it be possible for there to be a toggle when the collider is turned off too..?

[hollow mountain]

Then leave? Why say that while actively participating, and just being obnoxious and making no point besides mockery.

[hollow mountain]

Huh?

Bit confused on your wording.

Do you want the act of the collider being disabled to disable the toggle indipendantly of the toggles other function?

[heavy zephyr]

You are using vrcfury for your toggle or the manual way? Was trying to follow your conversation at the same time but it wasn't clear for me

[sour sparrow]

vrcfury

[heavy zephyr]

So you currently have something that reacts to a contact being triggered right?

[sour sparrow]

I wanna make it so I can have a seperate toggle to turn the collider off

[sour sparrow]

yes

[heavy zephyr]

What does it look like? Can you screenshot your logic?

[austere bay]

yes ofc!!

[hollow mountain]

Then just do the toggle vrcfury thingy, have it turn the object of the collider off?

[lusty shadow]

@austere bay tysm that was extremely helpful!! do you also know how to reduce triangles?

[hollow mountain]

Or have an empty object hold the collider and do the same thing, idk

I gotta do laundry so

[sour sparrow]

thabk you so very much! I will go test it now!

[lusty shadow]

also @austere bay if i merged everything into one mesh, would that screw up my toggleable clothes and whatnot?

[austere bay]

give me two seconds and i will answer all your questions in a video :) sorry i really like videos bc i can explain everything and show you at the same time!

[rain cave]

Hey I couldnt really find anything about it but should I disable loop time on toggle animation clips in Unity?

[lusty shadow]

all good

[queen jolt]

Never worked with animations before, I’m using a manuka base that closes her eyes based on how much of a closed fist she makes, I’m hoping to add a corresponding animation to the ears where the subtly droop while closing my fist then collapse to lay flat against her head when making a full fist, is this possible and if so how hard would it be?

[austere bay]

another thing to note: you can't apply modifiers to meshes with shape keys so either remove the shapekeys or you can try download the apply modifier with shapekeys addon but it doesn't work well with decimation because of the changes in vertices and stuff, you can try it though! sometimes it works :)

[rain cave]

i think you could use an blend tree in your animator and animate with the corresponding hand parameter and put an fitting amout of step by step animations inbetween. Idk exactly if there is a better way tho

[heavy zephyr]

Disable it if you don't want your animations to loop. In the case of a toggle, you probably don't want it looping.

[rain cave]

thxxx!

[lone flax]

idk what itadori is lol sorry

[lusty shadow]

not going for green optimisation, just wanna be able to upload it for quest

[lone flax]

I meant to reply to a message

[austere bay]

oh okay you can definitely do toggles then, you just can't do toggles on optimised avatars because they have to be 1 mesh, quest can be seperate meshes so you can just do toggles like normal :)

[balmy barn]

[ wait ] <0 = GestureRight = 1 >[ ears using GestureRightWeight as motion time ] , not sure this has worked in awhile , nearly all my avatars had it

[heavy zephyr]

I would recommend either a blendtree or an animation with motion time.

In the first case, you create two animations : One with the ears fully up, one with the ears fully down. You then create a blendtree using GestureRightWeight to blend between the two.

In the second case, you just create one animation that starts with the ears fully up and ends with them fully down. Enable motion time for this animation and add GestureRightWeight to it.

[rain cave]

Also anybody knows about animating phys bones values? this doesnt seem to work

[lusty shadow]

okay i have an issue in unity now, one of the hair pieces is out of place, this happened before and i was able to undo it via holding control z, but now its stuck there and idk what to do

[heavy zephyr]

Physbones need to be turned off for at least 12 frames for the changes to their values to apply, then turn them back on

[austere bay]

did you add the hair in unity or is it on the fbx?

[lusty shadow]

its on the fbx

[rain cave]

So turn off on frame 0 and change values on frame 1 wait for 11 frames and turn back on?

[heavy zephyr]

That should do it yeah

[queen jolt]

Wont i need 3 animations since they droop forward before collapsing backwards?

[austere bay]

if it's moving with the head already lmk and I'll try figure out whats going on :)

[heavy zephyr]

Ah yes, you can add any number of additional animations to make more complex movements.

Same for the second option, you can add as many in-between keyframes to add precise movements

[austere bay]

hold shift to select multiple bones at the same time and make sure you select the head bone last

[queen jolt]

Alright, I’ll give it a shot when I get home, thx everyone

[rain cave]

doesnt seem to work for some reason is it toggling the component or the whole bone? because i am toggling the component

[heavy zephyr]

Toggling the component should be enough, maybe try adding more frames?

[light charm]

is it possible to change the speed of an audio source being played using a radial puppet? as in, increasing the speed or slowing the speed of the audio

[heavy zephyr]

Yes, use a float to control the pitch

Either in a blendtree or with an animation using motion time

[light charm]

how would i do the motion time?

[heavy zephyr]

Create an animation starting with the lowest pitch you want and ending with the maximum pitch you want. Set the curve to be linear.

Then create a state and put that animation in there, enable motion time on that state and add your own float in the dedicated field.

[lusty shadow]

okay so to be clear i dont need to compress the meshes into one, but how do i get the file size down?

and if i straight up replace the fbx with the exported one from blender will that sort it?

because i havent exported anything from blender yet but i cant upload for quest rn cus its 36mb and needs to be 10

[heavy zephyr]

Best way is to remove stuff. Then reduce texture size, reduce number of polygons, materials, etc...

[lusty shadow]

i already reduced texture sizes in unity

idk how to reduce the polygons

materials have all been converted for quest already

[heavy zephyr]

Blender

[lusty shadow]

yeah but how...

[heavy zephyr]

Look up tutorials on the topic, ways to decimate a mesh, etc...

[lusty shadow]

and when i am done in blender, do i just replace the fbx in unity?

[heavy zephyr]

Also 36mb forget about it, you need to get rid of more than 2/3rd of your stuff

[lusty shadow]

yes or no

this is all very confusing

i desperately need someone to help me in vc

i am not good at learning like this

[heavy zephyr]

Not many people do this. Also that's what tutorials are for

And again, you're starting with a base that is way too bad

[lusty shadow]

tutorials are good sometimes but i find them hard to follow

[summer spade]

Hiii, how do I make a sort of shirt pull up effect without having it distort and deform with the rotation of the body, I tried a blendshape but those are static, right? So it would not work as the body moves, I tried a parameter driver for the blendshape in blender, dummy bones paranted to the armature, or hips etc.

I feel like I've seen people do shirt pull ups that don't just die and stop making sense as soon as the hips rotate, or the chest moves etc.

[heavy zephyr]

You'd use a blendshape combined with a physbone you can grab for example.

Idea being you read the physboneparam_stretch value to drive your blendshape higher the more you pull on it

[summer spade]

so unless my setup is somehow wrong, I did make that, I can grab it in game, in unity etc, it triggers the blendshape and then as the body moves the shirt just deforms ie.

[heavy zephyr]

Not super knowledgeable in blender but it doesn't seem like you're selecting the right blendshape?

[soft aurora]

Is there a way to make a camera flash effect using the particle system?

For a crowd taking photos as an example

I have the material already im just not sure how to set this up

[heavy zephyr]

Sure, use a lens flare texture for a flash for example, just make it appear for like 0.2 seconds around the camera

[soft aurora]

Im a bit new to the particle system, is there a way to keep it still and like scale up and down over time? To look like photos being taken?

Actually

Yeah nvm like that

How does a lens flare work?

[heavy zephyr]

No need to use actual lens flare, just get yourself a texture that looks like one.

Then you set the speed to 0, disable shape module, set the max number of particles to like 2, adjust the size, set lifetime to 0.2 and that should be a good base.

Then play with the other modules. For example you can use "Size over lifetime" to make them shrink

[fresh rose]

Hi so um
Wondering how to make ot so that i have to press a toggle then do a gesture to activate something

Like a gun toggle

[heavy zephyr]

Simply add both GestureRight or GestureLeft and a custom bool as a condition for your toggle to trigger

[fresh rose]

Hpw dp i do a custom bool?

[heavy zephyr]

look up tutorials on how to make toggles

You'll need to know at least the basics

[fresh rose]

I know how to makw toggles

[heavy zephyr]

Without vrcfury

[fresh rose]

Oh.

[hollow mountain]

The SDK just.. doesn't want to show anything related to shaders for quest upload.

Poiyomi still actively on it, doesn't wanna say anything, will make it kinda difficult to figure out how much I've got left to do.

[ripe prairie]

I've added a bunch of emotes to my avatar but whenever I use them it works but my camera / head in VR stays in the same place how do I make it so that follows the head in the animation?

[balmy barn]

only way i know is activating a camera so it steals your viewpoint, its extremely nausiating in vr

[pine valley]

yeah, your head position is pretty darn steady

[ripe prairie]

?

[ripe prairie]

How do i do that?

[pine valley]

note that just turning on a camera alone doens't do anything to your viewpoint, afaik

[hollow mountain]

That would be very not fun, trust me, I've messed with it before, do not, for your own sake.

Extremely nauseating.

[pine valley]

walking in circles while sitting on the playground spring horse at that McDonald's world is wild

i can feel my vestibular system rioting

[hollow mountain]

Also on a random note I'm in love with the new toon standard, haven't made an avatar in ages so I didn't realize it existed until now

I love being able to get shading that isn't either harsh or completely flat on quest

[ripe prairie]

Yes for animation that the head moves constantly but the animation I'm doing is a animation where the head moves to the spot the animation plays out and then stops moving

[hollow mountain]

No idea what you're trying to convey man

[ripe prairie]

It would be almost like a sitting animation in gogologo except the legs and arms move

[hollow mountain]

🤷

[dark trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1373765379842904094/1408176432621949029/image.png?ex=68a8ca00&is=68a77880&hm=4edf41959d6be5b311d500a69ea6438d9eaf3e2638e05c93ddfe1c87874d8c0e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1536&height=864 Does anyone know whats the issue here

[pine valley]

This means that the animator is missing some data.

note that this is not why the avatar is failing to upload

this is why your upload failed

You're probably missing a package like VRCFury

[pine valley]

This isn't fatal, but it does mean that something went missing that shouldn't have (e.g. an animator state is just..gone)

[austere bay]

you only need to focus on the red error messages, definitely looks like issues with vrcfury but more specifically you're missing scripts on "Poppy NO VRCFT (Clone)", you need to either replace or delete that missing script

[glad dawn]

Why does everyone have a dick on this game

[ornate stump]

Why did you even say "everyone"?

[glad dawn]

Bc everyone have one on them

[ornate stump]

Including you?

[dark trail]

do you know how to do it

where to delete etc

[dusk moat]

One material in blender, but when exported to unity it shows as 2... why?

[pine valley]

first: you haven't unpacked the model prefab in Unity, correct?

you should see a package icon like this in the Hierarchy

it'll be on the root of your avatar

you can also check this by replacing one of the materials in the inspector -- the field should turn bold, like this

(it turns bold because you're overriding a setting on the prefab)

[dusk moat]

Is that why this is happening?

[pine valley]

If you unpacked the prefab, there is no longer any connection between the game objects/components in the scene and the imported model prefab. This means that things like adding new objects or changing the number of material slots won't do anything in Unity

[dusk moat]

I didnt change it in Unity

The model, when exported from blender, randomly gained a material slot

:_;

[pine valley]

Okay, so you have not unpacked the prefab, right? I want to make sure of that before continuing.

[dusk moat]

No i have not

[pine valley]

Do you have any modifiers on the object (beyond the Armature modifier)?

[modern turret]

Does anyone know how I can fix this issue with the chest?

[dusk moat]

Just Armature

[pine valley]

Try re-importing the FBX into Blender and seeing if it now has two materials

[dusk moat]

I tried it, still 1,
I also tried deleting and re adding it , re assigning in edit mode

[pine valley]

in Unity, unfold the model asset in the Project window. You should see a bunch of sub-assets, like this:

Select the sub-asset for your body mesh. It'll have a grid icon.

show me the inspector after selecting that asset

i want to see how large each sub-mesh is

(each material slot corresponds to a submesh)

[dusk moat]

This ?

[pine valley]

yeah

ah, it's because you have some quads and some tris

[dusk moat]

Oh...

[pine valley]

and you checked "Keep Quads" in the model importer settings

you should uncheck that

[dusk moat]

Okay thank you let me try that

[pine valley]

unity will then triangulate the entire model

[heavy zephyr]

Use TemporaryPoseSpace

[pine valley]

I wonder if that was done for a reason, though...

[dusk moat]

Tris and quads?

[pine valley]

Quads are four-sided polygons. You often work with those in Blender.

However, your graphics card wants to render triangles.

You can tell Unity to keep the quads. This is only really useful for tessellation, where you generate even more triangles as you render the model.

I guess there could be other editor tools that want to see the original quads

[dusk moat]

Thanks I didnt realise it was checed by default

It fixed it so thank you

[pine valley]

Since the model has some quads and some tris, it has to break the mesh into two submeshes

(since it can't store them together)

Might've enabled it by mistake? It shouldn't be on by default!

[dusk moat]

I didnt know that

Yeah maybe my hand slipped

Thank you so much!

[pine valley]

no prob!

[balmy barn]

camera on av (not in head in this case) toggle im now im 3rd

shove it into head it will follow when in an animation , vr = 🤮

noo clue if this work for a quest

just toggle a camera on your av (keep it off as default) , viewpoint is now there with a terrible fov

[sharp crater]

Is there something fricked with the SDK or something? I'm trying to log into my account, putting in the 2FA but it keeps saying my code didn't work when... i have my phone side-by-side with it and the numbers are correct -_-

[pine valley]

try logging into the website

[pine valley]

oh, very cool! i didn't know about that at all

that's going to be super useful

i was thinking i'd have to do something worse, like display a rendertexture in front of my face

[balmy barn]

tried that one too its .. wierd

[sharp crater]

worked just fine, what the frickies

[pine valley]

i have a janky xray system that works like that

it's not quite lined up properly

[balmy barn]

have a mini version of my test av with constraints, i can drop anywhere in world, the move viewpoint there - people get confused why there is no nameplate

cant be clicked on either no player capsule

[sharp crater]

I logged into the website, just fine, but the fucking sdk keeps saying Two-factor authentication code for type: totp verification failed: "Missing Credentials" in the logs. Brother, I restarted unity, I reloaded the SDK, I waited till the coded regen, what do you want from me?

[ripe prairie]

That's exactly what I needed thank you

Now I need to figure out how to fix the issue that half my animations are facing the wrong way so I can't see them how do I fix that

[balmy barn]

pose space changes your viewpoint once, unless you want to constantly hammer it every 0.1 sec camera beats it

mostly for those sitting/laying animations thats static

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-temporary-pose-space tried it before camera

nausia

[ripe prairie]

How did you do that???

[balmy barn]

put a camera on your avatar / head toggle it on

its like every mmd world out there uses it

[ripe prairie]

how do i do that lol

I added a camera how do I make it toggleable?

[balmy barn]

since that was a test i just use this ( wasnt sure it worked anymore ) , other ways exist like blendtree/vrcfury , its a gameobject crammed into head and adding a camera component

clipping and fov higly recommend to be adjustable

[ripe prairie]

i did this how do i do the toggle?

[torn sorrel]

i posted this in the avater disscssion forum on the server but, im curious if anyone knows how to fix this? i have my avatar set up with eye look in unity and it looks fine there, but when i import it into vrchat, the eyes are "stuck" together causing one eye to clip when the other looks away, this is how it looks in unity and vrchat, and the last pic is my bone setup in blender, im not sure what im doing wrong and i would appreciate any help (the eye is a plane and the pupil is another plane floating above it)

[pine valley]

oh my god i never realized you can have separate angles for each eye

so, in this picture, your left eye has rotated too far?

to the right, specifically

[balmy barn]

2 sets of eyebones, old cats used to duplicate them and rotate those up , not sure if its that causing it

it will have vertex groups on both , used to move the one not assigned to humanoid rig to do stuff

[ripe prairie]

is it just a simple object toggle?

[balmy barn]

yup toggle the gameobject

[pine valley]

is that why i see double eye bones so much?

i found that really confusing

[pine valley]

(normally, to make a camera work for other players, you would need to have an animation that enables the camera component -- but that's not needed here!)

[ripe prairie]

oh ok way more simple then i thought

lol

[sour sparrow]

is it possible to make a glass sorta material on quest

like a slightly transparent material but not fully

[glass lotus]

What does this mean, I feel like it has something to do with Unity not able to connect to vrchat or something

The console says nothing

[pine valley]

it does sound like a networking problem

[balmy barn]

enable yellow errors , might say something about not being able to connect

aswblablablab

[pine valley]

(make sure that warnings are enabled)

they're disabled in this screenshot

[midnight topaz]

how do i fix this

[torn sorrel]

this worked ty

[sour sparrow]

can anyone help me?

[hot grotto]

So an avatar I uploaded just as of today is having an issue. On my screen, I'm sitting on the saddle perfectly. But on others, I'm positioned behind it. All I got is custom animations for it and 2 playable layers. How can I fix this?

[wintry moat]

wheres the root gameobject
im trying to find it to paste the pc side of my avatar's blueprint ID to the quest side

and also why cant i click android in the builder ;w;

[pine valley]

the root object is the thing that every other object on your avatar is parented to

it'll generally have the Animator on it, as well as the avatar descriptor

[wintry moat]

im gonna need you to explain this to me like im 5 because my brain is being slower than a snail
i am genuinely so sorry about this man

[pine valley]

if your avatar includes "Child Object" and "Another Child Object", its root object is the one named "Root"

The other objects in the hierarchy are not related at all

On your PC avatar, the root is whatever the Avatar Descriptor is attached to

(and, importantly, the Pipeline Manager component)

[wintry moat]

So the open me thing is the root object
Am I getting this right?

[pine valley]

No, that is the scene.

[wintry moat]

O h

[pine valley]

The root would be the "Gummi (Quest)" object

[wintry moat]

Alright

So how am I meant to find the blueprint id?

Nvm

Got it

Thank you!

Different problem now

It won't let me click android under the platform thing in Builder

[pine valley]

you probably don't have Android build support installed

[wintry moat]

How do I install it?

[pine valley]

https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/build-test-mobile/

Find "Android Build Support". If the box and check the box next to it if

that's quite a sentence

[wintry moat]

Thank you so much, genuinely

[pine valley]

no prob