#avatar-general | VRChat | Page 17

icy vigil Oct 31, 2020, 1:20 PM

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@strong tree hey man, know anything about the old 2.0 bug where the head rbeaks and flings around on moving happening in 3.0?

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 1:20 PM

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that's pretty much an old neck fix

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you should remove it

icy vigil Oct 31, 2020, 1:21 PM

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idk how id fix that, is that in blender or in unity?

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 1:21 PM

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blender...

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Kung made a pretty good tutorial how to remove it

icy vigil Oct 31, 2020, 1:21 PM

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aight g, i didn't rig it xD is all, just stitched it together, aight g ty

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 1:22 PM

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as a lot of avatars are, and most of them are terrible, not only performance wise

icy vigil Oct 31, 2020, 1:22 PM

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yeah dude

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im also getting a weird visual bug when i use this avatar in some worlds where i can see my hands outside the map through the mirror and see weird little squares in my eyes,

iron niche Oct 31, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Hi, I have a question, they fixed the avatar 3.0 yesterday, but I wonder what led to the fact that these models did not work properly?

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 2:13 PM

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@iron niche they fixed SOME of the bugs, not all

iron niche Oct 31, 2020, 2:13 PM

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but what kind of bug was that ? I'm just curious

twilit cave Oct 31, 2020, 2:16 PM

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my avatar 3.0's inventory is still broken

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I can see my inventory is working good, but other people can not see my inventory is working

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official 3.0 avatar's inventory and animation is broken too

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how can I fix this?

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 2:20 PM

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you wait

twilit cave Oct 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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dev said they fixed this

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 2:23 PM

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but not everything

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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its only been 3 days mukou

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give it a full week and it just might be fixed

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well 4 days by tonight

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either way

woven pecan Oct 31, 2020, 3:43 PM

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So

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It's alive?

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 3:49 PM

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@strong tree I have gotten all animation based issues resolved - what bugs are you still seeing?

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 3:50 PM

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well, I didn't look in to it today...

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 3:50 PM

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today is the same build as this yesterday evening.

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I did need to add a mask to my FX layers but that made my gesture layers continue working again

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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what I meant was, I didn't really test

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but someone here actually made a post in canny about it

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it works on desktop, but for example not in full body

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Will test

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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that's one that I still experience

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Yeah have to admit i have everything working in desktop, no vr or fullbody testing yet

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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and I'm talking about everything, like lip sync, gestures, facial expressions

sly spear Oct 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I assume you are referring to the one where animations don't show up for others right?

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Right.

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 3:53 PM

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well, with fbt it doesn't work at all, not for me, nor for others

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that was the post: https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

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the client dev team should really look in to that...

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 4:16 PM

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is 3.0 stable yet

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if it is i might try making an avatar

empty finch Oct 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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No, Refer to the canny link above.

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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alright

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is the instability on both pc and vr or just one of them

sly spear Oct 31, 2020, 4:18 PM

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bugged with VR, desktops seem ok?

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 4:19 PM

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then i would probably be fine, issue is i have no clue what i'm doing when i make an avatar and i don't want to repeat my previous mistakes

nocturne quiver Oct 31, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Does anyone have the link avatar when you press a certain f button it plays the spirit train theme song and spawns a train?

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If you do please dm me

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Its nice that people actually use the canny here

empty finch Oct 31, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I put the canny link on my server - all I can do without ramming it down peoples throats to go vote.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@strong tree It wont be fixed until monday as the team doesnt work on weekends and some other things have priority aswell, but the more people find things and add them to that canny and the more people upvote it, the quicker it should be fixed. I was at an event earlier and confirmed pretty much all of the things I listed there multiple times, only confused why sometimes avatars work in fullbody for some people remote but not others seemingly randomly.

strong tree Oct 31, 2020, 5:04 PM

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maybe a sync issue?

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Its generally a sync related issue with the animation tracking control I assume

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I'm guessing this might be a duplicate https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1008-vrc-animator-tracking-control-updates-are-delayed

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:29 PM

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i would try to make an avatar again but i don't want to relive my past mistakes

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the fact i have zero experience with blender would not help me even though i have a model

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Hey I came into VRChat in May 2018, I never saw blender or unity, ever. It just takes using it you slowly get better

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and use current blender not the old one everyone recommends

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:32 PM

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i would maybe try it if there was a tutorial for the kind of avatar i would want to make, but i know there isn't

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 5:32 PM

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If you use any 2.7 blender you're a masochist.

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xd

merry swan Oct 31, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Im much faster in 2.79 then 2.8+ 🤷‍♂️ most what i do is simple things anyway

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:35 PM

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like the model i have is similar to the kind of blocky minecraft style you would see in some places, but it strays away from that slightly as well

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could probably load it into blender and screenshot it if i were able to

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:38 PM

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@fluid grotto yeah that seems related

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:39 PM

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or i could if i knew how to import the model centered at 0 0 0

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:41 PM

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ok so i jsut tested with a friend. made a new layer for a gesture animation that just toggle some particles. write defaults off, no exit time, manually transition between off and on state. He was in non fbt and i could see him using the gesture. I was in FBT and he could not see me using the gesture

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so basically FBT 3.0 anims are messed up

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also turning write default off for an action toggle anim did not fix it either

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neither of us could see that

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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2.79b has carried me this far
one day I'll move to .8 or 9, but for now, long live blender 2.79b

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@jolly oxide https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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all of thsi was working fine before the 10/27 update

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Moving from dead blender to current blender took me 2 weeks of impacted slowness before i recovered and I've been better off ever since

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new shader system and modifier stack is so much better

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:43 PM

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if i was a digital artist that used blender for mroe than vrchat id migrate to the newet version

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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and just... you know... working like a normal windows program instead of doing everything bass ackwards.

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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blender is pretty much the most unintuitive piece of software i've ever used, but i'm through most of the mess now so every new user needs to suffer as i have suffered

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Blender is a flawless masterpiece wdym /s

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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i'm not sure how they miss something as basic as showing hotkeys on mouse over buttons

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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blender is pretty much the most unintuitive piece of software i've ever used, but i'm through most of the mess now so every new user needs to suffer as i have suffered
@small crescent Spotted the 2.79b user (maybe)

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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i'm on lastest blender

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it's not much better

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Fair enough xD

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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lmao

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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that is how i felt about 2.79 though

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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so essentially FBT users are screwd out of 3.0 anims until the devs fix it Paci?

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my test confirms what you found

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Then current cleaned up it's act with you know... shift left selecting multiple verts and right click context menus like a normal sane program

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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@jolly oxide yes

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i just quit the game untill they fix FBT

desert isle Oct 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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A temporary fix for the FBT 3.0 bug. Go to safety, performance options, hit tab for avatar performance, then dynamic bones. Without doing anything else, the avatar refreshes and other people start seeing your gestures, props, and animations again. Must be repeated often, especially upon loading a new instance or avatar swap.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Resetting and calibrating does the same

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or switching to 3 point for a sec

desert isle Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Its big oof

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Ill still play

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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temporary fix for FBT 3.0 users: don't turn on body trackers

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Its not like its unusable

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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ill jsut use sdk2 avtars

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still got a bunch of those

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and maybe use sdk2 for new ones if i dont really need toggles that badly

desert isle Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Just use 2.0 is the real fix

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I just dont have facial expressions or toggles and thats fine by me as I have gesture lock on anyways

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:48 PM

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2.0 can't do anything I need

desert isle Oct 31, 2020, 5:48 PM

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There's still some 3.0 bugs in nonFBT VR

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:48 PM

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my avatar is invisible without (functional)animations for some reason

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and i don't have toggles

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:48 PM

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odd

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Biggest noticable issue in regular vr mode is root motion

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which according to tupper is a really difficult topic

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:49 PM

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2.0 can do a lot, currently for me 3.0 cant do anything

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easy choice

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ill go abck to 3.0 when they fx it

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i like to have toggles and 15 facial expressions so

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:49 PM

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so a week or two

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I need FX parameters that react to locomotion - can't do that on 2.0

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i need my gestures to actually play, cnt do taht in 3.0

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i have a model that i managed to put into blender, just no clue how i would go about rigging it since i've never done anything with blender before

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I use index so I dont have gesture issues

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i need my gestures to actually play, cnt do taht in 3.0
@jolly oxide Mask out your FX layer. gestures work fine

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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my avatars are all 3.0 and i don't really care to use others

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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same

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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not in FBT they dont

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Even with the FX layer mask?

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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nothing works in FBT

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Some things do

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Suppose I have to go grab my trackers and verify

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:51 PM

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only plays stuff locally

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:51 PM

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streamable.com

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Rotation still gets used

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Is this the root motion issue? https://streamable.com/cn6q8e

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Yes

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769387448929091597/771980480710705162/2020-10-31_02-13-03.mp4

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here we have fbt animations

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so basically nothing but generic rotation was applied

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and then I reset the avatar and play it again

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Do we know what change caused the issue?

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Since it was working before

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 5:53 PM

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something in the 10/27 update

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Afaik none of the fixes that were supposed to fix it did anything

crude crescent Oct 31, 2020, 5:54 PM

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i suppose i have a blender file now which i'll proceed to never use

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:54 PM

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so 1004?

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:55 PM

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That's the default "get up from dying" animation, so it should be reproduceable on any default avatar while in VR

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just FYI

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:55 PM

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yeah mines custom

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but the root motion is super obvious in my animation

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:55 PM

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i just mean in terms of reproduce steps, you can just say check the get up from dying animation

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:56 PM

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as I usually get launched forward

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i think we dont need to reproduce it more and more

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ive seen 10+ different people with the exact issues now

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everything in the canny applies

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I'm just looking at your canny report, it's well documented but they do ask for step by step reproduce

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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They already are aware

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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okie

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I am used to fighting uphill battles on bug trackers 😩

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I was at an event earlier and tupper asked me and a friend (both av3 fbt) to perform a reset and play an anim and also was aware of the root motion issue

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Super good sign

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Cool. I hope Animator Tracking Control being on a network delay gets addressed as well

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sync was perfectly timed locally and remotely before

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:03 PM

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That component is the main problem

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It fails to sync I assume

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As that explains most issues

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I'm wondering if the locally syched visemes was an accident or intentional. hope it stays

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Also explains why desktop is fine

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 6:03 PM

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feels so much better seeing visemes move to your own microphone

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:03 PM

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as it barely gets tracking control anyways

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also yes thats intentional

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:05 PM

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i think thats a much smaller issue seeing as i cant see my own mouth when im talking to people.

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gestures and toggles for fbt should be much higher on the list

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Thats tracking control related

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Mouth and Hands are also affected by tracking control afaik

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toggles on the other side seem to indicate that not only that component fails to sync

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:18 PM

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made a breakthrough testing stuff

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found whats causing the issue for 3.0 gestures and toggles

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i load and calibrate an avatar

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it finished loading for friend, my anims dont work

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i re-calibrate it works

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so its a sync issue with FBT calibration

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as long as you recalibrate after you are loaded all 3.0 fx anims works as they used to

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:19 PM

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its not

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:19 PM

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FX layer oens specifically

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:20 PM

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that just causes the avatar to reload

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like nearly all other fixes

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:20 PM

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hitting reload on the actino toggle will make it not play for others

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:20 PM

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The issue is why it doesnt work on the initial load

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:20 PM

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hitting calibrate fixes it

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:20 PM

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reload and then calibrate does

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:21 PM

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no i jsut tested it ingame, just hitting calibrate again works

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reload breaks it again

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:21 PM

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yeah but why is that

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why doesnt it work on the initial load

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:21 PM

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honestly not sure im not a software guy

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:22 PM

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We, at this point, have basically done everything we can

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:22 PM

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on the bright side i can go back to all my 30 stuff

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and just recalibrate real quick for friends

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so my anims work

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Now we gotta wait for the devs to start fixing on monday

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:22 PM

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thanks for the earlier help and bug testing btw Paci

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:23 PM

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np

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:23 PM

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id give yah a nitro month if you dindt already have it

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I'm impressed you're still this interested into VRchat @teal path

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I wonder - what if we make all VRC tracking control updates local only

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and never update them remotely

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@marsh haven why?

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 6:25 PM

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let network IK handle everything

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:25 PM

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caps oooops

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I mean it's a long time ago where we even used to vibe a lot and overall with time passing.

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3.0 deffo sparked my interest again but idk

fluid grotto Oct 31, 2020, 6:26 PM

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3.0 finally let me do avatar crap i've been wanting to do since the beginning

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:26 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649393387631411206/772164571170471966/unknown.png

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I agree with Adeon

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I just wanna vibe with people so

jolly oxide Oct 31, 2020, 6:28 PM

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yeah, ill be on w/e social vr game has the people i wanna be with

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Bruh when we gonna update eachother @teal path

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:28 PM

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dont really mind if av3 is broken for a bit as I am usually stuck on one face anyways

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:28 PM

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It's been a solid year 👀

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:28 PM

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?

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Oh yeah its been a year lmao

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Actually forgot me FeelsBadMan

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I didnt

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I still remember that pic of you afk while I put beer in your face

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:29 PM

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XD

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When I actually created 7DS related content.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Or when we were at that convention center

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Or with the 10+ people with the Rainbow Minigun Loli.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Oh btw they finally put it up again

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I had it favd but it was listed as unavailable for months

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came back a few weeks ago

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still doesnt collide but

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:30 PM

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I've had it the entire time so far

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Always worked for me but I haven't noticed the downtime then.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:31 PM

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It was unavailable for a half a year tf

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But yeah ive been testing the av3 issues since a while

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:32 PM

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wtf I've used it and my friends used it on some occasions.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:32 PM

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odd

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I'm just waiting for stuff to be stable again

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So I can completely restart on my 1 year project (Which I am not looking forward too)

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:32 PM

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wdym

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Well 3.0's current state.

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Is just having some rough issues that are making some things really unclear

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:34 PM

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I just use basic av3 features

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The reason I want it fixed so bad is because it causes a lot of bad mood around

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:34 PM

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This 1 year project I finished it's alpha state off was done and I was working on the rework

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:35 PM

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So I really wanna help getting this fixed

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:35 PM

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and right around the corner this situation starts alongside the WD change.

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Which renders my entire project useless xD

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And understandable I haven't really be on VRchat recently since I've been wanting to wait to finally figure out what steps I'll have to take.

teal path Oct 31, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I made all my avatars 3.0 compatible

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:36 PM

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the 1 year project is 3.0

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It was insanely sped up because of 3.0's arrival.

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But redoing over 30 layers won't be fun to do

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Really wish the WD change wasn't really made.

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 6:44 PM

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nothing changes for you if you fill in all your layers

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:44 PM

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It does change all my animations

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especially with having to make multi layered complicated reset states

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Which really really relied on WD

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 6:44 PM

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you can still have WD on

glass ibex Oct 31, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Does anyone know why my gestures don't work properly anymore?

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 6:45 PM

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they just added the ability to turn it off

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Wouldn't it cause issues ingame tho?

glass ibex Oct 31, 2020, 6:45 PM

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they worked well before the 1004 update

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:45 PM

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I'm pretty sure they turn it off ingame

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 6:45 PM

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and made that the default for default animations

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they turned it off for the default layers

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so if you don't fill in your layers, it will be off

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you can still have it on in all your stuff and nothing changes

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:46 PM

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I'm actually confused.

small crescent Oct 31, 2020, 6:46 PM

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just plug in your sdk example layers in your default avatar layers

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assuming you havent updated sdk

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:47 PM

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The only change was that the default layers, the ones auto-assigned if you don't assign a controller to a layer in your avatar descriptor, don't have write defaults enabled on their nodes.

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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So just use All of your animator slots?

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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That would cause it to be identical to before the change, yes

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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and the client will not interfere or mess with it in any shape or form?

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Not as clean or performant as the new standard, but identical

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:49 PM

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What is different then?

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Exactly what I said

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The auto-assigned default layers have write defaults disabled on all nodes

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:49 PM

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No i meant regarding Not as clean or performant as the new standard, but identical

turbid finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:50 PM

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So, I might be dumb but this issue only seems to happen with some avatars I've made but not all. So, basically, when standing normally, my character goes on their tippy toes, except when walking. If I bend my head down, my knees bend, and they go flat. My origin point is at 0,0,0. Its like the avatar is bring lifted up. How do I fix this?

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Write Defaults always has had performance overhead, so making your animators built to NOT use it could make your avatar more performant

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But that's your prerogative, if you have all layers assigned, nothing changes for you

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Thanks for explaining btw.
Is there any detailed information regarding how much the performance hit really is?

neon finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:52 PM

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csun, that's usually because your avatar has different proportions to your real-life body

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If you place your real life hand on the real life ground, you will most likely not touch the VRChat ground

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You can prevent tiptoes by giving yourself a negative vertical offset using something like OVR settings, which will push you down a bit and make sure the feet have solid contact with the VR ground

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Meliodas, I'm not sure - that's why I didn't want to say if it's a big deal to use it or not, I genuinely don't know yet haha

turbid finch Oct 31, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I wondered if it was that

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And yea, I use OVR. I'll test that later and see if this fixes it; ty!

marsh haven Oct 31, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Yeah if it's not a big deal I'd continue with my project as I want to

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Hopefully that is the case cuz honestly I'm not really like wanting to change WD

sand wren Oct 31, 2020, 7:10 PM

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also it might depend on how far and high up the viewball is

late tartan Oct 31, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Also your height setting in game

ionic forum Oct 31, 2020, 10:51 PM

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If you don't want to reproportion your model, I discovered that you can actually scale your view using avatar 3.0 by scaling your model on the X axis during the TPose animation

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Useful in some cases, I would still recommend proper proportions for full body though, but it can be used if you really want to dial in the proper arm length or really just want to touch the floor

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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A3 Broken completely no sync

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 12:57 AM

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https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues @meager prairie

steel shuttle Nov 1, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I have 2 issues on 3.0 now
1: my face gestures are not reverting back to zero.
2:my hip is angled backward in FB

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I'm using the second FX layer cause there seems to be a missing Action layer

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Updated SDK recently? There was an issue with the indexing of the Animator layers that bumped things down one more than they needed to be

steel shuttle Nov 1, 2020, 3:43 AM

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well.... there was 2 FX layer...

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i tried one , didnt work . i tried the other and my facial gesture remain stuck

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I tried with an older SDK and everything unstuck....

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the facial animations are fine with an older controller too... that has write default ON .

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are they sure that it was fixed?

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 4:13 AM

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The new SDK update (came out two days ago I think) should resolve the layer labeling issue - if you're still seeing it, you might have updated incorrectly

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There is nothing (well, not much anyway) bugged with regard to the write default change. If you have default controllers in any slot, you have to rework your current custom controllers without using write defaults. Mostly this will mean having deliberate reset animations after the nodes of your existing trees, if you don't have reset animations for each already.

steel shuttle Nov 1, 2020, 4:46 AM

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What about just regular facial animations. Since they interact with the same face on 2 different controller. If i set a reset on both hands and only one hand does a gesture it will cancel all of it out.

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The problem is also only on full body.

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The facial animation dont reset properly on those models

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 5:40 AM

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I can't really speak for full body, I know there's currently animation issues with 6 point tracking but I don't have the setup to test

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And the default state of your controllers doesn't have to be the reset, if you find one is overwriting the other. You can have each facial animation exit to a reset, then exit the reset to an empty default state.

real patrol Nov 1, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Is the 3.0 SDK fixed yet?

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Like just the SDK, if I update to it it won't massively break my avatar in-unity right, I heard there was some issues but I'm not fully sure if they are fixed yet

red pilot Nov 1, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Until all of this 3.0 shit is sorted out I'm just going to start stockpiling models to import to VRchat

signal kindle Nov 1, 2020, 6:47 AM

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I haven't read a single thing here

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but i have the feeling that im not the only one who's 3.0 avatar's animations aren't showing to other people

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 6:50 AM

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@steel shuttle the 2 FX layer was a bug from one of the of the latest SDKs, you should redo the avatar descriptor

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I have 2 issues on 3.0 now
1: my face gestures are not reverting back to zero.
2:my hip is angled backward in FB
@steel shuttle
1: with write defaults off, you need a reset animation
2: that sounds like a rigging issue

icy vigil Nov 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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hey i need some help, i dont know how to explain this error so ill just send this

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i cant send videos

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can i dm someone?

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@ me if i can <3

fluid grotto Nov 1, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Seeing some IK weirdness when I set feet and hips to animation. knees pointing in the wrong direction. didn't before the last few updates

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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My knees, as of I believe two patches ago, tend to bend inward toward each other slightly. Maybe it was an adjusted IK pose, I'll have a look tomorrow

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 8:55 AM

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We found a very concerning 3.0 issue

For my friend each 3.0 avatar near him speaking would cause his own viseme parameter to change values, but only locally. (He has a visor that glows on speech and it glowed for him even when I talked). He was the only one who had that happen tho.

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Id like to add that this wasnt only happening on one of his avatars.

ivory linden Nov 1, 2020, 10:01 AM

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That seems like something you should record and post to Canny

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 10:07 AM

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did

final island Nov 1, 2020, 10:33 AM

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having the same issue. all my gestures are local. I deleted the sdk files and removed the avatar descriptor, reimported and readded the descriptor. someone said that fixes it. yet to test it though

wooden drum Nov 1, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Is there a known bug where, while using a 3.0 avatar, no one can see anything your avatar does? No gestures, no external effects, no shaders, nothing? Not even see your fingers moving?

grand latch Nov 1, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Is there a particular reason why the Gain on my Spatial Audio Source wouldn't affect the volume of my audio?

wooden drum Nov 1, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Ah ha

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"In fullbody facial expressions and toggles dont appear to the spectator anymore and all dances turn to T-Pose, yet generic transforms like rotation of the entire avatar still work fine"

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describes me perfectly.

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Well, here's hoping the fix is sooner than later

grand latch Nov 1, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Yes, it's a known bug, not specifically 3.0. Sometimes clients forget to load other people in a way that their IK exists

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 11:19 AM

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recalibrate fixes it for most (maybe all?) in the same instance

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 11:22 AM

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like av2 toggles it fixes for everyone who witnesses

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 11:23 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-witness-me-gif-16912461

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fbt users ;)

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:28 PM

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@teal path mhm
Voted I don't get why this was not sorted yet its a issue thats breaking all A3 models atm.

And lol my bad throwing tomatoes at you xD

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:28 PM

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If they tested like us on beta 1007

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then it makes sense

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because when 1007 hit beta me and a few others tested... in desktop

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:29 PM

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The beta didn't remain it got pushed to live so fast

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:29 PM

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yeah

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we were on desktop so had no issues, confirmed it worked and then only after it went live I went on in fbt

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yet my friend in desktop still had working anims

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so I started testing

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Sadly there are too many variables to test issues

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:31 PM

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hey, atleast they fixed most of the problems, for a quick hotfix just before the weekend, that's quite good

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:31 PM

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But at this time switching to 3T mode then to 6T fixes it for current people in your world I read in your post

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:31 PM

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But at this time switching to 3T mode then to 6T fixes it for current people in your world I read in your post
@meager prairie calibrating a second (sometimes a third) time works as well as a workaround

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and is faster than disable and enable the trackers

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:32 PM

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I'll try that next time am on its not ideal but its something.

@strong tree
You actually can just open the advanced safety and switch tabs and open steamvr menu to break Fbt then do it without opening the menu.

This removes the need to calibrate

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:32 PM

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that is local

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Are you sure?

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 PM

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it has to be a global reload yes

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as the others need to reload it not you

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Huh so when steamvr breaks the 6T mode its local only?

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 PM

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also thats all written in the canny

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make sure to also read my comments

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canny didnt let me edit the post

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I'll read it fully later I just glanced at a few points

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Mhm

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 PM

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so I made like 5 comments

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Noted

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I can confirm that recalibrating works for others, I tested it yesterday with some friends and one friend also with fbt could fix it like that as well

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 PM

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also that pre-weekend patch

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didnt fix anything

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I'm talking about 1007, not 1008

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 PM

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1004 broke it and all the fixes after didnt affect the issue one bit

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1007 also didnt do anything

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:35 PM

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well, for me it did

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:35 PM

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as I observed working desktop and broken fbt before 1007

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:35 PM

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1004 broke almost all of my 3.0 avatars, after 1007 they worked again

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:35 PM

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huh

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:36 PM

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still, the problem with fbt persists, but apart from that, everything works, I also didn't had sync problems yesterday, all my animations worked as expected (after recalibrating of course)

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:37 PM

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The first update broke sync.
The fix after that broke my animations.
Then this last one broke sync again

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Lol

marsh haven Nov 1, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Just give it time.

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People found most of the issues and as to how to reproduce them

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:37 PM

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well, most of my avatars aren't really complex with animations, but they work >.>

marsh haven Nov 1, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Now it's just a matter of it getting fixed

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:37 PM

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yeah, so expect some updates next week

meager prairie Nov 1, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Hopefully

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:39 PM

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@teal path I didn't tested animations which play around with the tracking options (like dancing animations or what not), you mentioned that those are a big problem...

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 3:40 PM

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those generally only lack root motion in vr mode

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in fbt they are tpose with generic rotation

strong tree Nov 1, 2020, 3:41 PM

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well, I don't have any animations in the actionlayer setup for that...

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it kinda sounds like that the avatar doesn't correctly initialize after loading, but calibrating does it...

zealous tundra Nov 1, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Right now the avatars that I made in 3.0 don't have any facial animations.

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 4:52 PM

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hey doo you knwow where i can find the bigest avatar?

versed vapor Nov 1, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Is there a known bug where, while using a 3.0 avatar, no one can see anything your avatar does? No gestures, no external effects, no shaders, nothing? Not even see your fingers moving?
@wooden drum yeah I am getting this too

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it has been that way for several days now, none of my AV3 controls work anymore

merry swan Nov 1, 2020, 5:41 PM

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fbt + 3.0 gestures will fail when using fbt , unless you disable it

versed vapor Nov 1, 2020, 5:41 PM

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however for me I think it is just the controls in the expression menu? I wasn't aware of shaders, fingers, etc not working

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thanks to the devs for working for a fix!

neon plaza Nov 1, 2020, 5:43 PM

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If you flash your safety settings, it allows others to see you till they change theirs. Kind of a temporary solution if you really want someone to see you

versed vapor Nov 1, 2020, 5:44 PM

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flash, as in fully reset?

neon plaza Nov 1, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Turn something off then on or on then off

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Then close your menu

versed vapor Nov 1, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I guess my main issue is that I have expression menu controls tied to blendshapes that are not showing to others

neon plaza Nov 1, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Works well, let’s people see my facial anims and clothing toggles (:

versed vapor Nov 1, 2020, 5:45 PM

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ah I see, okay

neon plaza Nov 1, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Hopefully this helps?

versed vapor Nov 1, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I will give it a shot, thank you!

neon plaza Nov 1, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Let the world see your beautiful avatar ! 🙏

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Expressions menu not working to others when using FBT?

merry swan Nov 1, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Thats a bug right now , once they turn it off it works

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I see, just want to confirm because everything looks fine local

teal path Nov 1, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@neon finch @versed vapor @neon plaza https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

pearl moat Nov 1, 2020, 9:39 PM

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If you flash your safety settings, it allows others to see you till they change theirs. Kind of a temporary solution if you really want someone to see you
what a great work around

marsh haven Nov 1, 2020, 9:41 PM

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@sterile pollen Tf you sending random dumbass links in here for xD

sterile pollen Nov 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Because people need to know Thanksgiving exists lol

marsh haven Nov 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Do it in your own discord. This ain't related to VRchat at all.

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sending links like that is deffo againts the rules as it could be something malicious aswell.

sterile pollen Nov 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Sorry y'all

untold geode Nov 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Everything worked last night, but today anything that I trigger through the menu or gesture is not working. If a vfx is there without the need of being triggered, it works. It's SDK3

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Is it expected for not updated SDK3?

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Oh, everything looks fine on my machine, it's other people that can't see it

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We all have updated game

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues
I believe your problem might be related to this canny post. Are you in FBT?

untold geode Nov 1, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Yes

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I will try without FBT

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 10:40 PM

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I hear disabling FBT fixes the issue and "refreshing" your safety settings does it too by changing one option and changing it back.

untold geode Nov 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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disabling fbt helped

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refreshing safety settings doesn't help

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could it have anything to do with "use auto-footsteps for 3 and 4 point tracking" or "force locomotion animations for 6point tracking"?

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Most likely not to be honest, but if you want to try it to bug test then feel free

velvet dock Nov 1, 2020, 11:30 PM

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is there a guts low poly avatar from berserk

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Do you want it to be Quest compatible?

velvet dock Nov 1, 2020, 11:32 PM

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yes

neon finch Nov 1, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Uhhh, doesn't look like it unfortunately. You might have to make/commission one yourself

velvet dock Nov 1, 2020, 11:35 PM

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f idk how

zealous tundra Nov 1, 2020, 11:50 PM

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My facial animations still don't work and I don't run full body.

red pilot Nov 2, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I've seen my 3.0 avatars T-Pose when trying to play animations from other people's computers

solar lodge Nov 2, 2020, 2:13 AM

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So I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know if there are/ where to find manga comic or yaoi avatars?

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 3:52 AM

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does anyone have a cool avatar world they recommend just in general

west barn Nov 2, 2020, 5:32 AM

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would anyone be willing to upload an avatar for me and let me copy it? i have all the files and textures, just need to get it from unity to VRchat and since i'm using unity on a mac I cannot do that. i will pay you for your time!

teal path Nov 2, 2020, 7:21 AM

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It seems like resetting and tposing often fails to reload av3 animations in fbt

fluid grotto Nov 2, 2020, 8:45 AM

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So is root motion related to index controller use? Can't figure out why my friend's avatars always look fine

still plank Nov 2, 2020, 9:08 AM

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How easy would it be to migrate from avatar 2.0 to 3.0? I am still making my avatars with 2.0. I’m also worried about some plugins that might not work with 3.0.

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Depends on what your avatar has.

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If it's a basic avatar with nothing on it

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Piece of cake

still plank Nov 2, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Its an avatar using inventory system plugin to toggle props and gestures to fire the guns.

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Idk if 3.0 has the inventory system for the avatars by default.

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 9:16 AM

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In 3.0 You'd have to make it yourself

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There are plugins out there that can generate it for you tho.

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But an avatar like that will most likely not be difficult to upgrade

still plank Nov 2, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Guess I’ll finish the avatar in 2.0 first then remake it in 3.0 right after then, shouldn’t waste that much time.

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Up to you, hope it works out for you tho.

wind dagger Nov 2, 2020, 11:32 AM

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im looking for someone to make me my own personal 3d avatar, i have no skill in 3d modeling nor do i have the software. so im kindly asking if anyone could dm me so i can show you the character i want you to make, i hope you take free requests. ill be accepting the first dm, we could become good friends if we get to know eachother a bit, sooo..... se ya soon. 🙂

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 11:34 AM

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#community-servers-old VRCTraders

woven pecan Nov 2, 2020, 11:35 AM

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being friends with someone just for free avatars is "meh"

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VRCTraders is cursed

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 11:36 AM

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You keep saying that for no reason.

sonic spade Nov 2, 2020, 11:37 AM

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shh dont tell meliodas, still need those avatars 🤫

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 11:39 AM

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lol?

woven pecan Nov 2, 2020, 11:39 AM

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oh, i have plenty of it, but i don't want to publicize them

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Not another one

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Someone got banned today for continuesly claiming something and having no proof of it.

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keep it to yourself then jeez.

woven pecan Nov 2, 2020, 11:45 AM

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if you say so

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Hey ya fucks, are avatar animations still local or can I go smack people with a slab of rusted metal now?

sonic spade Nov 2, 2020, 2:48 PM

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they never were local, so sure, go for it

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 2:49 PM

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AV3 animations only don’t show for other people in your lobby when you’re in full body as far as I’m aware right now

strong tree Nov 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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AV3 animations only don’t show for other people in your lobby when you’re in full body as far as I’m aware right now
@neon finch you can fix that with recalibrating once or twice

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Wait really? It's just FBT?

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I’ve also been told refreshing your safety settings can help the issue

wind dagger Nov 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I would like soneone to make me an avatar

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Thats all

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Silence Daryl

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Yeah, people that turn off full body are usually able to have their animations show again

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:51 PM

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The adults are talking

wind dagger Nov 2, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Ok father

arctic depot Nov 2, 2020, 2:51 PM

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av30 work properly if wearer is desktopping

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Well fuck me sideways and call me a grapefruit I gotta try that out when I get home

arctic depot Nov 2, 2020, 2:51 PM

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root motion breaks for 3 point VR

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almost everything is broke for FBT

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sometimes resetting help

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but not for everyone and not every spectator can see them

strong tree Nov 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I’ve also been told refreshing your safety settings can help the issue
@neon finch I heard that as well, but someone tested it and it doesn't work. But don't take my word for it, test it yourself and confirm it.

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Wack

arctic depot Nov 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Great "VR" developers, who only test their game in desktop we got

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Yeah, I’ve also done recalibration a couple times and it didn’t seem help me though

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Alright well that's at least an answer, even though it's not really what I was hoping for, so thanks

arctic depot Nov 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

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vote

strong tree Nov 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Yeah, I’ve also done recalibration a couple times and it didn’t seem help me though
@neon finch it helped me, with older and never 3.0 Avatars. Maybe there is something different about your avatars or setup...

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Time to write hate mail to Tupper lol

(That's a joke Tuppy boy)

strong tree Nov 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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but I also have to say that I don't use animations in the action layer which messes around with the tracking. Apart from that, recalibrating restores toggles, material switches, facial expressions, lip sync etc.

silent pewter Nov 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I made a Slave Knight Gael with a bunch of animations on it, so until they fix it I'm gonna just wait

strong tree Nov 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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but only for the people who are in the instance at the moment you recalibrate

hot goblet Nov 2, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Aite vrchat
Reuploaded a model with some fixes to the weight painting and now all of the expressions are broken
What the fuck man....
It worked fine before I reuploaded
It works in unity

gloomy steppe Nov 2, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@hot goblet all 3.0 avatar's are not working atm till they get fixxed

hot goblet Nov 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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really?\

gloomy steppe Nov 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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yeah

hot goblet Nov 2, 2020, 4:19 PM

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wtf

spark saddle Nov 2, 2020, 4:58 PM

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🤦‍♀️

teal path Nov 2, 2020, 5:09 PM

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@gloomy steppe @hot goblet https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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if i make a model private, can friends still copy it?

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or does it have to be public

agile solar Nov 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Has to be public to clone.

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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if i make it private after, will they still have it?

jolly oxide Nov 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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no

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 6:20 PM

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They will have it

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If they don't change the avatar

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They'll always be in that avatar

jolly oxide Nov 2, 2020, 6:22 PM

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even on re-log?

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or ram dump

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it wont be usable from favorites after for sure

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Doesn't matter

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If they're loaded on the avatar

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close the game reopen it 20 years later

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first thing that'll happen is them loading in the avatar

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One of my friends jokes around like that in my private avatar

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She just never changes so she always has it

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Only way to prevent that is to delete and reupload

jolly oxide Nov 2, 2020, 6:23 PM

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never changing avatars though

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RIP

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 6:24 PM

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My avatars make you wanne stay 👀

jolly oxide Nov 2, 2020, 6:27 PM

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oh? whats the style

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better not be wolf ears, off white belt

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Nah I make avatars like Toga

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Cool VFX and systems that'll keep you busy and e veryone else interested for along time

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Is it rude to ask someone to animate / put the bones on my model? I dont have a good enough PC and not enough space because my PC is old.

agile solar Nov 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Usually you can get these done via commissions from people at a price.

eager horizon Nov 2, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Does anyone here have an example controller for lip sync?

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I am trying to figure out what transition speed vrchat used, I cant get anything good looking tbh

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 6:46 PM

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I made my own

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This is pretty much similar to SDK2 some friends said even better https://i.imgur.com/3DRTmkV.png

jolly oxide Nov 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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respect on VFX stuff. ive been trying to make my own particle systems for a while but its slow progress on makin them look better without going overboard

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i threw a recent one in showoff channel if you have any tips for frost/ice stuff

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 7:08 PM

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If you heard of Toga

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I actually remade his bunny's completely

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all of them 👀

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 7:09 PM

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The red and blue ones?

marsh haven Nov 2, 2020, 7:10 PM

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The patreon ones

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I remade all of the classes and turned my main avatar into a mini RPG with powerscaling and multiple weapons

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Currently waiting for Lin to finish something so i can work on the v2 of it making it from scratch again 😄

jolly oxide Nov 2, 2020, 7:27 PM

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nice job

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 7:59 PM

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@pastel owl Wrong channel to ask for that. If you want avatar commissions try looking at
https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions/40
https://vrcat.club/forums/commissions.23/
And of course VRCTraders which is linked in #community-servers-old

pastel owl Nov 2, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Alright, thanks replaying I'll do that

wind dagger Nov 2, 2020, 8:49 PM

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couls someone make me an avatar?

pastel cargo Nov 2, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Hello! Can I get some help? I’m looking for an avatar of the Demoman from tf2 with a bottle hand gesture

valid patrol Nov 2, 2020, 8:55 PM

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couls someone make me an avatar?
Are you willing to either give people money, or spend 5 years becoming friends with someone?
@wind dagger

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Or find someone so desperate for attention from others that they do stuff for people they barely met or know, for free.

I'm that person, I need help.

pastel cargo Nov 2, 2020, 9:07 PM

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What? Want a friend? :0

valid patrol Nov 2, 2020, 9:14 PM

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No

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I want help

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 9:39 PM

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How to I create a Avatar

valid patrol Nov 2, 2020, 9:47 PM

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What kind of avatar @neon finch ?

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 9:48 PM

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@valid patrol Avatar in vr chat like some other people do I'm a noob

valid patrol Nov 2, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Do you intend to make one entirely by yourself

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Like making the model, textures, armature and stuff

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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@pine yew Some interesting information I got from Adeon that seems to be a more comprehensive fix for your Gesture layer issue! See here: https://i.imgur.com/O7Q974k.png

full yacht Nov 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Is there anyway to get an already existing pc avatar to be quest compatable

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 11:29 PM

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If you have the avatar's source files you can make it Quest compatible and follow the Quest Limits to the best of your ability and upload it

full yacht Nov 2, 2020, 11:30 PM

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ok

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then how much would it cost to take a pain avatar, make it smaller, and make it quest compatable, and when i say small i mean like, table height

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Do you happen to know where to get the avatar's source files?

full yacht Nov 2, 2020, 11:36 PM

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nah ill look

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the interweb

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yes

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got it

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ok so anyone want a commission for resizing an avatar to be smaller and making it quest compatable. i have the model downlaod

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dm me

fluid grotto Nov 2, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Is there anyway to get an already existing pc avatar to be quest compatable
@full yacht Someone else's upload, no. If you have it on your computer, yes, anything is possible.

full yacht Nov 2, 2020, 11:44 PM

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so you couldnt edit the already existing model if u could download it?

neon finch Nov 2, 2020, 11:44 PM

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If you want commissions these are the best places to look
https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions/40
https://vrcat.club/forums/commissions.23/
And of course VRCTraders which is linked in #community-servers-old

I don't know many creators who take Quest avatar commissions though so you might need to make a really good offer.

full yacht Nov 2, 2020, 11:45 PM

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ok, thanks man

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Something I noticed when implementing custom locomotion awhile ago is that the VelocityX and VelocityZ parameters do not fully match the actual movement speed of the player. They seem to be smoothed, perhaps to make animation blending nicer.

This presents a problem when you want to switch to another animation state as soon as the player stops moving. If you're moving fast enough there will be a delay between when you stop moving and when the velocity parameters reach 0.

Rather than changing the default behavior of these parameters, I'm wondering if maybe alternate "raw" velocity parameters could be added that would not be smoothed.

old escarp Nov 3, 2020, 12:36 AM

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is there no av3 bug report channel?

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Generally bug reports are submitted to the canny if you can reproduce them and explain how it happened

old escarp Nov 3, 2020, 12:36 AM

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ah

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because I think that the blendshape chosen in the av3 blink conflicts with animation that use the same blendshape

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

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That seems to make sense in my head because during AV2 days we couldn't generally animate the vrc.blink shapekeys according to most people, if I remember right at least.
The workaround at the time was to just use different shape keys that did the same thing, but doing this meant when your avatar blinked with these on they'd do a "double blink" and the eyes would look horrifying. ~~I personally did a different method that worked in my head because of how I understood it in my head~~

Aaaanyways, there's no need for you to do this workaround in AV3, but you can still kindof do it if you want. With AV3 we have a behavior component called VRC Animator Tracking Control which allows you to set if specific parts of the avatar, in this case the eyes and eyelids, will either follow no change, tracking, or animation. In this case you want to make it follow your animation rather than its own thing and that should allow you to animate it without issue.
Just make sure you have a transitionary state that puts the Tracking Control back to normal otherwise it'll stay on Animation.
This is how I understand how it works in my head but I won't be surprised if turning Eyes and Eyelids to Animation won't give us what we're looking for.
But if it does but you still can't animate it, then I would just use the Tracking Control to stop the blinking, and then use secondary blendshapes to make the blinking you want to happen on your animation.
Otherwise skip the Tracking Control and just use the secondary blendshapes, just note that you'll get the "double blink" again that was mentioned previously.

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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@valid patrol yes

valid patrol Nov 3, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Then look up blender tutorials for creating and rigging characters

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and vrchat avatar creation tutorials

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 2:44 AM

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@valid patrol ahhh ok

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Gotcha

valid patrol Nov 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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It will take a while if you are just starting

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Understood this is going to be one hot anime character aha

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Srry

valid patrol Nov 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Just test a few things before you go all in on the character

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Ok

gilded delta Nov 3, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I've been dealing with a Package manager UI dependency issue using Unity 2018.4.20f1 for the longest time now... and I want to resolve it...

vernal crag Nov 3, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Hey there, I'm making a Link avatar, and I want to have a fairy follow me and fly around me, but I'm not sure how I'd go about doing that. Anyone have any ideas on how to do that?

gilded delta Nov 3, 2020, 4:06 AM

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My problem has been resolved thanks to @muted gazelle

proper idol Nov 3, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Do textures/images used for the radial menu, count towards an avatars materials/material slots? Not that it really matters. But..

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Dont want to go crazy with custom images for every little thing if it does x3

low whale Nov 3, 2020, 4:53 AM

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@proper idol Nah they won't count, use as many as you want

proper idol Nov 3, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Alright, would make sense, as its only visible to the user wearing it, but wasnt sure. Thanks!

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Since I wanna use youtube videos to get started with making an avatar would 3.0 make the videos basically outdated or would they still be perfectly fine to use?

idle goblet Nov 3, 2020, 7:39 AM

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I don’t know where to ask this but I need support, is there any worlds for small male avatars ? My avatar is the thermal one and i see small people joining worlds

mighty solar Nov 3, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Has the 3.0 bug been fixed for full body users yet? Where others cant see toggles unless you calibrate in the instance

primal pond Nov 3, 2020, 9:33 AM

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first of all, @neon finch most old tutorials for avatar 2.0 on youtube still work for 2.0 avatars, and most tutorials that show the process in blender work for both 2.0 and 3.0
however, if you want to make a 3.0 avatar, look for the specific tutorials for that system since most 2.0 unity tutorials don't work or have been made obsolete for av 3.0

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second of all @mighty solar nope :p, it's still as broken as before...

mighty solar Nov 3, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Still think its weird it only affects fbt users guessing its something to do with the loading itself

woven pecan Nov 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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If you guys want to know how 3.0 works, google "how to unity" instead

grand latch Nov 3, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Any reason why gain on a Spatial Audio Source script doesn't affect audio volume? Is the adjustment to "safe levels" really that strong?

wise junco Nov 3, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Would anyone know any good Mandalorian Avatars?

clear flint Nov 3, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Hey guys do you know how it's possible to have animation where you join/leave world?

sonic spade Nov 3, 2020, 1:36 PM

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cant do it on leave

clear flint Nov 3, 2020, 1:42 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/code-lyoko-odd-yumi-virtualization-gif-12318618

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What about joining?

sonic spade Nov 3, 2020, 1:54 PM

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yeah, join is doable, just have the intro animation start playing without any parameter to activate it and transition into an empty state

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that way it will play only once when you load the avatar

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Anyone else not having mouthmovement on avatars uploaded after the 28 oct update? Tried changing sdk, refreshing the descriptor, etc nothing works.. I know the parameters work cause I use them for a feature on one of my avatars and that works, I'm also sure the visemes themselves work and that I set up my descriptor correctly

real mist Nov 3, 2020, 2:25 PM

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visemes on mirror are broken for AV3.0

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 2:25 PM

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It's not just mirrors for me

small crescent Nov 3, 2020, 2:25 PM

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everything 3.0 is broken if you're FBT

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Other people don't see it either

real mist Nov 3, 2020, 2:25 PM

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also most of the stuff broke on FBT

small crescent Nov 3, 2020, 2:26 PM

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and a lot of things are broken for regular VR as well

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I don't have fbt

primal pond Nov 3, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@grand latch I believe gain controls the volume curve in-between the min- and maximun range, not make it louder

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However, the spatial Audio script has been made obsolete in av 3.0 and is no longer required

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I highly recommend not using it as it allows for much more control over your sound

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Just make sure you get the settings right because the default settings for audio clips make your sound global

teal path Nov 3, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Just gonna repost this for everyone with av3 issues
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 4:26 PM

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that certainly could explain my issue, though I question why it affects me, since the issue continues when I'm in desktop and non-FBT vr, maybe it's because I have a non-default locomotion layer? though only difference is that I disabled head and arm animation overwrite to tracking on the long fall (because I like to play maps like hook junkers and the animation overwrite gets annoying)

shadow oxide Nov 3, 2020, 4:41 PM

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it might also have have something to do with how the default setting for write defaults was changed to be "off", and I imagine your non-default locomotion would likely still have WD on. Might be worth trying to fill in the slots with example layers from an older sdk, ones that still have WD on. Could also try to change everything to WD off, but i imagine that'd be much more tedious

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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could be, I have to check, but I doubt it's that since it's the example of the latest sdk, I only changed the long fall tracking control for the head and arms, aside from that it's just the example file, I'll check though

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nope, all states have write defaults off

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I could grab an older overwrite, but I'd have to manually add all tracking controls, since they get lost during the sdk change, since you first need to delete the old sdk

shadow oxide Nov 3, 2020, 4:50 PM

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idk if that'd help then... i'm not rly sure what the cause could be then.

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 4:51 PM

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also I didn't mean to make this a request for help, else I'd have posted it a chat lower, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one having the issue 😅

shadow oxide Nov 3, 2020, 4:53 PM

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also, just wanna say... love the name pun :)

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 4:53 PM

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thanks

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 5:18 PM

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ok so I activated write defaults again and added a tracking controller on ever initial state that has everything aside from "mouth & eyes" set to no change with "mouth and eyes" set to tracking, still nothing. so either it's completely broken or it's the descriptor itself and not the tracking controller

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I did that just as a test, didn't really expect it to work to begin with, just making sure

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Deja vu

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Aria, when you say mouth movements aren't working, are you talking about mouth movements you've keyframed into animations, or visemes
Or both

fringe leaf Nov 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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is 3.0 still broken

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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For fullbody, there are issues with animation. For everything else, everything is working perfectly for me, but some people have reported some bugs

agile marlin Nov 3, 2020, 6:59 PM

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My animations are still broken for me. When sitting or going prone it happens almost instantly instead of a smooth transition. All the avatars have bow legs for some reason too

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 6:59 PM

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And aria, if you have any default states across your controllers that have any of your viseme blendshapes keyframed starting/ending at 0, you're most likely locking those visemes at 0 for everything.

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dmorrison, those are all qualities you can change within the locomotion layer - have you updated your SDK, and are you using a custom locomotion layer?

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@agile marlin They're working on fixing the lack of transitions, they unintentionally undid it

agile marlin Nov 3, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Good to hear. Thanks

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I'm thinking about making a kinda big unity tutorial about 3.0 stuff, especially with the new changes, etc... but I kinda need motivation for that >.>

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but mostly meant for total beginners...

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:37 PM

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is 3.0 still broken
@fringe leaf for index controller users (with or without fullbody) and fullbody users (Any setup), yes.

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Desktop and non-fullbody, non-index controller setups seem to be working fine.

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:40 PM

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@fringe leaf for index controller users (with or without fullbody) and fullbody users (Any setup), yes.
@fluid grotto I guess you did more testing? whats wrong with index controllers and 3.0?

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:40 PM

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If you use index controllers all root motion on your avatar will be broken remotely

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:40 PM

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(first time I heard about that, I know about the FBT stuff)

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hm...

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Looks fine locally

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And the full body thing is your emotes don’t work

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:41 PM

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well, there is also a longer outstanding bug with index controllers and 3.0, the head/viewpoint behaves differently if you have index controllers or something else

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And the full body thing is your emotes don’t work
@fluid grotto I already know about that, and the workarounds and stuff

ornate barn Nov 3, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Mannn I really just want a cool avatar thats not hella common looking 😭

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Commission one, make one, or find one

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I seem to really like how the the index viewpoint behaves with index controllers

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Commission one, make one, or find one
@neon finch this

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I don’t notice any issues with viewpoint on index controllers

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Don’t have anything else to compare to though

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I seem to really like how the the index viewpoint behaves with index controllers
@fluid grotto I don't... my viewpoint always shifts down... it doesn't with the vive wands, with those the head is glued to the viewpoint

ornate barn Nov 3, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Commission one, make one, or find one
@neon finch I wanna commission one, but Im looking for someone who can be patient with me, i am newer to vrc

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Recall having that issue in an earlier build but I don’t see that anymore

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:44 PM

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(the downshifting comes if I sit down and do not absolutely sit straight)

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Most creators are very open to having good talks and explaining their process and what they're doing as long as you're clear about what you want.

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:44 PM

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and my avatar is scaled to my actual body proportions...

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Perhaps I got lucky and it just doesn’t show on my rig

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:45 PM

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It could be that I need to adjust the rig slightly... but it just feels like IK doesn't want to bend the spine/chest, if hip and head are getting closer

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:45 PM

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But the root motion thing is a real showstopper for me, all my animations look broke

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For others

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:46 PM

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But the root motion thing is a real showstopper for me, all my animations look broke
@fluid grotto talking about like dance animations, right?

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 7:47 PM

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https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-30/p/bugbuild-1004-avatars-30-emotes-on-index-do-not-have-root-transform-applied-prop

strong tree Nov 3, 2020, 7:49 PM

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ah... well I don't mess with such animations and/or tracking control, so no wonder I never noticed it

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 9:22 PM

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@fluid grotto you just post the canny link with your login token in it

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Oopsie doopsie

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That’s probably a very bad thing™️

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I’m sure it’s expired by now anyway

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Time to go hackerman

fluid grotto Nov 3, 2020, 9:26 PM

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If anyone sees me reporting a ton of bugs, um. Fix them.

ashen sedge Nov 3, 2020, 9:48 PM

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@neon finch I'm refering to the visemes in the avatar descriptor, the ones used when I talk, not animation

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Got it
Definitely make sure you don't have any default states that touch any of those blendshapes, and if you could check to see if any VRC Animator Tracking Control behaviors are locking you to animation for the mouth and jaw

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i cant find the SCP:SL avatars

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did they get taken down?

silver jackal Nov 3, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Does anyone know any cool Oculus avatars

neon finch Nov 3, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Quest avatars you mean?

ashen sedge Nov 4, 2020, 12:08 AM

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the public one I made should meet the requirements for a quest, it's a from-scratch xj9/jenny wakeman, but I haven't uploaded it as compatible so idk if it'll work, I could try uploading as compatible though, but my viseme issue could happen to that one too if I do unless I figure out what causes it

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I’m about to upload my first public avatar. My question is, if I modified the avatar after a while will it change for everyone who has it, and If I deleted it will it be deleted from everyone?

unkempt phoenix Nov 4, 2020, 12:17 AM

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yes

ashen sedge Nov 4, 2020, 12:18 AM

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yep, if you delete it every person who has it faved will see "avatar not available" instead of the preview and will be changed back to default bot if they were offline and in the avatar before logging off, any person in an instance wearing it will still have it until they reload it, either by changing avatar or world

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Got it
Thank you

ashen sedge Nov 4, 2020, 12:21 AM

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well guess mine won't be quest compatible, can't change my build target to android

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guess the tris limit is a hard limit for quest avatars, went over it roughly 500 tris 😅

teal path Nov 4, 2020, 12:35 AM

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@fluid grotto thats included in
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/1007-identified-the-root-of-the-av3-related-issues

visual shard Nov 4, 2020, 2:28 AM

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is 3.0 completely broken atm?

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I cant see anyone's facial expressions, or any avatar features in anyones 3.0 avatars, and apparently noone sees mine

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Are you and those people in full body?

small crescent Nov 4, 2020, 3:02 AM

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there we go

visual shard Nov 4, 2020, 3:02 AM

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yes we are

small crescent Nov 4, 2020, 3:02 AM

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only took them a week

visual shard Nov 4, 2020, 3:03 AM

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us being in full body has something to do with it atm? @neon finch

small crescent Nov 4, 2020, 3:04 AM

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check open beta

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Yes it does, right now if you are in full body your AV3 animations will not show for other people but will show locally. Looks like the open beta fixes it though so it should be fine once that goes live

placid wyvern Nov 4, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Oh, it’s all just a fullbody bug, thought it was widespread

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I always play with fullbody, had no idea the 3.0 stuff can actually be fixed

pine yew Nov 4, 2020, 6:59 AM

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@neon finch Thank you! I also independently discovered this and added it the bug report. Hope people are able to find this solution!

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 7:01 AM

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I believe the Open Beta has a fix for this issue already that should be on Live tomorrow, if you're talking about the full body issue

teal path Nov 4, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Theres still some issues to iron out so idk when it will be pushed

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 7:20 AM

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True, but if nothing is majorly broken it has a decent chance of still bring pushed as an improvement

silent pewter Nov 4, 2020, 8:43 AM

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God I hope so. I beat Dark Souls 3 yesterday so now I have nothing to fill the void lol

jolly oxide Nov 4, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Sekiro is next, get on it

mighty solar Nov 4, 2020, 2:13 PM

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to get around the full body bug just calibrate

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once you calibrate when in a room everyone in the instance at that time it will be fixed for

valid patrol Nov 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Can vrchat hire a moderation team to look at all avatars uploaded? They will classify avatars based on types like unoptimized anime, distracting garbage, barely even classifiable as sfw, Roblox avatar, Models resource + mixamo, etc. We will then be able to block entire categories of avatars, no more will you have to look at thicc anime women in your Christian vrchat world, or give a friend a try of the game and watch as they take off the headset horrified from the sight of male anthro animals in maid outfits.

fluid grotto Nov 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Tupper (and maybe a team, but at least Tupper) used to do all of that manually before the lab system was rolled out

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It is not a scalable system. Like asking youtube to have a human team checking uploaded videos

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It would take days just to get a world publicly listed, all avatar o pedistals had to be work and checked, it was insanity

valid patrol Nov 4, 2020, 5:01 PM

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No, they will have many people do it

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$0.02 an hour

fluid grotto Nov 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Oh I understand you’re joking now sorry I always have a hard time reading sarcasm on the Internet

valid patrol Nov 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Lol sorry

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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the christian vr chat world gave it away for me

fluid grotto Nov 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Poe’s law :p

valid patrol Nov 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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The system for avatar genres wouldn't even work if the community, or uploader got to set it, like wallpaper engine

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You still find far too many anime wallpapers with it off

sonic spade Nov 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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still on iphone i see

red pilot Nov 4, 2020, 5:36 PM

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That seems like a bit of a design flaw, 🤔 having your speech-to-text insert garbage characters

sonic spade Nov 4, 2020, 5:36 PM

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best part is that they appear invisible until sent

agile temple Nov 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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So I've been out of the past few updates. All of my avatar 3.0 model mouths are just moving nonstop now. What happened that I need to fix?

open depot Nov 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Would anybody know why I can’t auto detect the viseme’s for my lip-synching they also don’t show up as an option in my menu

fluid grotto Nov 4, 2020, 8:39 PM

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So I've been out of the past few updates. All of my avatar 3.0 model mouths are just moving nonstop now. What happened that I need to fix?
@agile temple what do you mean by moving?

agile temple Nov 4, 2020, 9:24 PM

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The mouth was constantly making small open and close movements, which it didn't do before. Kind of like if you had messed up a frame in an animation.

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But it stopped when someone joined the world I was sitting in while working in unity.

neon finch Nov 4, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Cynical, is this a problem with EVERY avatar, or just ones you uploaded?

fluid grotto Nov 4, 2020, 11:02 PM

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The mouth was constantly making small open and close movements, which it didn't do before. Kind of like if you had messed up a frame in an animation.
@agile temple an open mic causing your Visimes to trigger?

jolly oxide Nov 4, 2020, 11:07 PM

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are the mouth visemes getting tied to eye movement? that old issue happened with 2.0 avatars sometimes if the visemes and eye tracking werent set up right

fluid grotto Nov 4, 2020, 11:24 PM

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They shouldn’t be. You could have them set wrong I guess?

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Shape key order doesn’t matter on SDK3, you explicitly tell it which one is your blink shape key

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Though it is just saved as an index so if the order changes in your fbx, the descriptor will have the wrong ones set

crystal girder Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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can anyone help me with my avatar

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i need to screen share

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oops

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wrong chanell

teal path Nov 4, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Fix hype

open reef Nov 4, 2020, 11:55 PM

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vrcAevSlap

wide plume Nov 4, 2020, 11:56 PM

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does the last new patch fixed an avatars 3.0 issues?

open reef Nov 4, 2020, 11:56 PM

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at least fixes the animation syncing and station issues

wide plume Nov 4, 2020, 11:57 PM

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i have a troubles with my AFK animation

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my part of avatar is disappear

teal path Nov 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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From what we tested most av3 things should work

wide plume Nov 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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can it be on my side? idk... on the previews patches all is work good

marsh haven Nov 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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If anyone needs some help to test I could get on.

teal path Nov 5, 2020, 12:01 AM

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We already tested during open beta

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this time with most tracking types

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Index users will still encounter root motion issues

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but apart from that a lot got fixed

open reef Nov 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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is the root motion issues just on index?

teal path Nov 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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It appears to be

marsh haven Nov 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Suffers in Index

teal path Nov 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Yeahhhh

marsh haven Nov 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Welp time to unbox my backup vive

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xD

teal path Nov 5, 2020, 12:03 AM

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I will stay on index

marsh haven Nov 5, 2020, 12:03 AM

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same ofc

wide plume Nov 5, 2020, 12:03 AM

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so... my avatar 3.0 is still broken...

teal path Nov 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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if it never worked locally it just never worked

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fyi

open reef Nov 5, 2020, 12:18 AM

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^

thorn flame Nov 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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anyone have a XXXtentacion model?

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@ me pls

jolly oxide Nov 5, 2020, 3:41 AM

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so gestures and toggles for 3.0 confimred all fine?

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such as facial expressions and toggleing weapons from the action menue

red pilot Nov 5, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Is there anything else broken with 3.0? I'm waiting for everything to be fixed before I start uploading avatars again

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 5:15 AM

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still broken, yes

red pilot Nov 5, 2020, 5:16 AM

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No but what is broken

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Cause if it doesn't apply to me then I can begin releasing my demons once again

coral grail Nov 5, 2020, 5:41 AM

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i've noticed 3.0 avatars that have been recently uploaded sometimes drop me down to 11 fps, but older ones that i've made don't. the lag spike is really random and usually the place where i switched into the avatar kinda becomes a black hole for my fps. usually it's like the third time it renders a 3.0 avatar. so if i have a mirror on, then bring out my stream camera it starts to lag to 11 fps.

neon finch Nov 5, 2020, 6:38 AM

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If a avarar was made using odds sdk could it be possible to remake it using the same files on vrcsdk? or would it have to be redone using vrc sdk?

primal pond Nov 5, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Odds sdk?

coral grail Nov 5, 2020, 7:25 AM

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start a new project with none of that sdk in it and it should be fine. you might run into problems if you just delete the odds sdk, then imports a new one. idk if he puts anything else in it, because i've never used it.

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dl the real sdk off the vrchat website btw. there's no reason to use an edited sdk in the year 2020 of our lord.

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 7:39 AM

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@primal pond *cough* modified *cough*

primal pond Nov 5, 2020, 7:40 AM

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I mean I figured that

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but like, why...?

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 7:41 AM

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the answer to this question is shrouded in mystery

muted prawn Nov 5, 2020, 10:57 AM

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How do i mix 2 animations at the same time

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i have a animation for appearing and disappearing

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i want them to be seem less between diffrent objects

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so old object start to vanish as well as the new object start to appear at the same time

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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@muted prawn make it 2D blend tree

violet forge Nov 5, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Como coloca personagem no VRchat?

muted prawn Nov 5, 2020, 11:33 AM

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It... Won't really work

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 11:34 AM

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@violet forge please stop asking same question in multiple channels, it's against rule №15 of this server. And also use english in public channels

muted prawn Nov 5, 2020, 11:34 AM

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I need it to be variable situation.

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I have 5 objects i want to appear and disappear

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So blend tree wouldn't really work

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 11:35 AM

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oh my

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well, you can create 5 layers with same parameter

muted prawn Nov 5, 2020, 11:35 AM

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I thought about making separate layers but having multiple layers for one thing sound like bad idea

violet forge Nov 5, 2020, 11:36 AM

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@violet forge please stop asking same question in multiple channels, it's against rule №15 of this server. And also use english in public channels
@woven pecan ??????

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

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Check #rules

violet forge Nov 5, 2020, 11:42 AM

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I dont speak inglieste @woven pecan

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;-;

woven pecan Nov 5, 2020, 11:44 AM

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then use international channels to found someone who knows how to solve your problem, or use google translator

violet forge Nov 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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?????

silent pewter Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Wait so they fixed FBT animations? Can anyone verify?

safe mirage Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 PM

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well they said it

fluid grotto Nov 5, 2020, 3:52 PM

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How do i mix 2 animations at the same time
@muted prawn put them on separate layers, and make sure they don't write defaults.

muted prawn Nov 5, 2020, 3:53 PM

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i chose to just go over and scratch that idea

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the sheer work for a tiny improvement is...

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not usefull

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i will make it instantly

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and not some smooth animation swap

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compared to it..

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it is 5 animation or have a whole damm 15 compared

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if i plan to add 1 animation i need to make additional 3

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also having a special shader for that might impact it more

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and it would scratch the whole work i did to lower the poly and textures

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maybe in future

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and option to put in separate layer still sounds like it is not right

thorn flame Nov 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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ok im blind as hell, what version on unity is needed?

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Unity 2018.4.20 got it

fluid grotto Nov 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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2018.4.20F1, specifically

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Must match exactly

open depot Nov 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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anyone know why i cant fond the matching lip vismemes in my menu?

neon finch Nov 5, 2020, 10:51 PM

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You mean in the avatar descriptor? Do you have the blendshapes required on your model?

open depot Nov 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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i think

neon finch Nov 6, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Should check for them first

neat kelp Nov 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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would anyone be willing to make me an avatar pls

red pilot Nov 6, 2020, 6:26 AM

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How much are you willing to pay?

hollow delta Nov 6, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Is there a reason non-humanoid bones are no longer controlled by custom animations?

sand wren Nov 6, 2020, 7:11 AM

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they will be if you use Action, Gesture, or Base

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but you will need to make sure youre not using generic masking

hollow delta Nov 6, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I don't believe I'm using generic masking, but where would I go to check if it is enabled?

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Are you talking about avatar masks in animator tree layers?

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@sand wren

sand wren Nov 6, 2020, 7:28 AM

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ye

hollow delta Nov 6, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Oh, I don't have any avatar masks.

sand wren Nov 6, 2020, 7:31 AM

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which playable layer u using then

hollow delta Nov 6, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Base and Action.

sand wren Nov 6, 2020, 7:50 AM

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what you using on Action

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cuz u will need to blend in that layer with a state behavior

hollow delta Nov 6, 2020, 7:54 AM

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I mean, both the Action and Base layers worked normally before some kind of update that was introduced. The last time I tested my avatar in-game was roughly 3 weeks ago. I checked back in a week ago, and this happened.

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I don't think I have a mask on my Action layer either.

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I'm more concerned about the Base layers not animating the non-humanoid bones.

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Namely because the avatar's dress is supposed to be animated while crouching, but only the humanoid bones actually animate.

sly spear Nov 6, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Are you using a custom fx layer?

granite talon Nov 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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im curious if VRC and avatar 3.0 supports UDIM textures/uv? I know its not really necessary for vrc. but im planning to use it for other things too where i might need it.

late tartan Nov 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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No I don't think unity supports UDIM tbh

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At least natively, but I could be wrong

untold geode Nov 6, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Is there a reason this plugin wouldn't work on an avatar? https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/audio/3d-visualizer-spectrum-vu-meter-100995#reviews

late tartan Nov 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Ya, custom scripts aren't allowed in vrchat

merry swan Nov 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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can detect visme/sound in 3.0 to do the same'ish

robust orchid Nov 6, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Is it possible to Mute the mic automatically when a parameter is triggered

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So I can't create a toggle that automatically mutes me

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darn.

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totallynottryingtotiethatintomyballgag

sand wren Nov 6, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i wonder why u need that if there is a toggle mute button

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u can just engage those two

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also u can still make noises with one of those on lol

robust orchid Nov 6, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Basically my mouth behaves really weirdly if I talk with it on

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and using a vrc animator tracking control behavior doesn't seem to help much

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I have hand gestures that screw with it too actually so muting myself wouldn't fix it either

sand wren Nov 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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cant u like disable the mouth movement

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u can also just check parameters

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like for example blend FX layer hand gestures to 0 weight

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then blend back to 1

remote valley Nov 6, 2020, 8:47 PM

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I just ran into this problem, i know a lot is broken but has anyone else seen something similar? [Desktop] Springjoint ball works under one hand, breaks on the other https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/desktop-springjoint-ball-works-under-one-hand-breaks-on-the-other

fallow sequoia Nov 6, 2020, 8:49 PM

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@remote valley please test that on open-beta too.

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i've seen some strangeness with constraints, but only in Editor

remote valley Nov 6, 2020, 8:50 PM

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thanks, i'm going to try it in open beta now!

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Tested-- still see in open beta

fallow sequoia Nov 6, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Okay, can you also post that bug in the open beta canny too? much appreciated, make sure to mention the build #

remote valley Nov 6, 2020, 8:54 PM

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yes! thank you so much

fallow sequoia Nov 6, 2020, 8:55 PM

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oh one last thing, if you get a chance to get into open beta with others, please find out if its affect the remote as well

remote valley Nov 6, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Hm, I'm not sure what build of the open beta I'm on... is there a way to check? I see people tagging their posts as 1012, but I just clicked opt in to open beta and didn't see a number

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also does the other person have to be on open beta as well?

fallow sequoia Nov 6, 2020, 8:56 PM

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if you open your quick menu it shows you the build # at the bottom

remote valley Nov 6, 2020, 8:56 PM

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perfect thank you

fallow sequoia Nov 6, 2020, 8:57 PM

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yes, you both should be on open-beta

remote valley Nov 6, 2020, 8:58 PM

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ok thank you! ill get to it then, appreciate it 👍

primal wind Nov 6, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I got a quick question, are we able to scale the IDP or whatever its called that controls the eye position? I'd love to be able to make my avatar scale.

fluid grotto Nov 6, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I think this was built into the avatar remeasure behavior that didn’t make it into release but might come later

primal wind Nov 6, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Ah so not yet, darn I was hoping it was something that was in the recent updates but didn't know if it made it or not.

fluid grotto Nov 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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It was in avatar 3.0 beta but had some pretty bad sync issues

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So it didn’t make it

primal wind Nov 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Oh is that was the issue is sync, I thought it was just not something they didn't want in, ok. Well, I hope they get it to work out pretty soon.

late tartan Nov 6, 2020, 10:13 PM

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It was sync issues and avatar bounds

hollow delta Nov 6, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Are you using a custom fx layer?
@sly spear No, I'm only using Base and Action.

sly spear Nov 6, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Create a custom FX layer (a blank one, or copy the example layer) and add a mask that selects nothing)

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a purely empty FX layer will also work without a mask

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iirc

tawny pulsar Nov 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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I’m finally making my first avatar : D

hoary monolith Nov 7, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Does anyone know where I can find those cubemap shader that can apply to a mesh to make it looks like it's actually 3D inside?

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IDK what they are called

sand wren Nov 7, 2020, 5:50 AM

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whats that supposed to mean look 3d inside

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do you mean like raymarch shaders?

hoary monolith Nov 7, 2020, 5:50 AM

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It's weird let me find a example

sand wren Nov 7, 2020, 5:50 AM

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where they render environments inside of an object

hoary monolith Nov 7, 2020, 5:53 AM

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https://youtu.be/WbYpuurFwAs

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Something like this

sand wren Nov 7, 2020, 5:57 AM

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yea those are one of 2 types of shaders

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panosphere shader (makes images that stay in place so it looks 3d)

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raymarch shader (renders objects inside of cubes or whatever)

hoary monolith Nov 7, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Thank you I will try panosphere shader

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Do you have a recommended shader I can use?

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There's one included with VRC world SDK but it doesn't take cubemap

neon finch Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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among us vr plz

valid shadow Nov 7, 2020, 6:01 PM

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GweissHuh

loud arrow Nov 7, 2020, 6:22 PM

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so, when remeasure avatar?

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Are developers rly reimplement "remeasure" behaviour again? I think they will delete it forever like web panel.

neon finch Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/730948173379535022/751345802978394202/unknown.png

loud arrow Nov 7, 2020, 8:47 PM

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4 weeks ago lol

pastel path Nov 7, 2020, 9:33 PM

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it took me half a day to get this message and realizing thats what keeping me from the resize dial :V

simple ermine Nov 7, 2020, 9:56 PM

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i wanna fix my avatars but not until i learn why my 3.0 menus dont work anymore, if its me or vrchat

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really killed my motivation

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anyone at all?

neon finch Nov 7, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I'm gonna need more information to really be able to figure out what's wrong.

simple ermine Nov 7, 2020, 10:06 PM

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my animations dont show for others, my toggles dont work, body parts dont move on a toggle and color changing doesnt work

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all the things that said were "fixed" in last patch are indeed not for me

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need more?

neon finch Nov 7, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Hm, I assume you were in full body for all those tests?

simple ermine Nov 7, 2020, 10:13 PM

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yes

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the desync issues only affect fbt

neon finch Nov 7, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Just on that specific avatar, only your uploaded avatars or on all AV3 avatars?

simple ermine Nov 7, 2020, 10:20 PM

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all my 3.0 avatars

neon finch Nov 7, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Even public ones that aren't yours?

simple ermine Nov 7, 2020, 10:22 PM

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havent tested that

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however i just remembered something

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in a public Black Cat world, one of my avatar's toggles did work for other people

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idk if it worked for everyone 100%, but one person reacted to it

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but other toggles on my other avatars are still spotty among people

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im just left to go f myself 🙃

hollow delta Nov 7, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Create a custom FX layer (a blank one, or copy the example layer) and add a mask that selects nothing)
a purely empty FX layer will also work without a mask
iirc
@sly spear That seems to have worked. Thanks!

fluid grotto Nov 7, 2020, 11:38 PM

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all the things that said were "fixed" in last patch are indeed not for me
@simple ermine yeah I tested the entire suite of features on beta 1010 and it was actually fixed, but when it came to live I am seeing issues

simple ermine Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 PM

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naturally

neon finch Nov 8, 2020, 2:06 AM

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can someone make me an avatar

agile solar Nov 8, 2020, 2:13 AM

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can someone make me an avatar
@neon finch https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions/40

ivory linden Nov 8, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Does Gesture Weight correspond to finger position on Index?

late tartan Nov 8, 2020, 4:11 AM

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No it's your trigger while doing fist

dusk trellis Nov 8, 2020, 4:13 AM

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how i install avatars

fluid rivet Nov 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Where can i find a Rexouium base model?

agile solar Nov 8, 2020, 4:24 AM

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how i install avatars
@dusk trellis You don't install. Are you wanting to make your own or use existing avatars?

dusk trellis Nov 8, 2020, 4:24 AM

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existing

fluid rivet Nov 8, 2020, 5:08 AM

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agree ^

spiral obsidian Nov 8, 2020, 6:09 AM

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is it normal for these to look weird on the oculus quest

sullen dirge Nov 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Is there a known fix for the broken leg rotation angle when crouching with an AV3 avatar? They claimed that they fixed this with one of the patches after the terrible oct 27th patch that introduced the problem but I still have the issue with no clue how to fix

pastel prawn Nov 8, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Anyone have some good settings for music? It's difficult fiddling around witht he audio sources to get something decent.

heavy shale Nov 8, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Is there a known fix for the broken leg rotation angle when crouching with an AV3 avatar? They claimed that they fixed this with one of the patches after the terrible oct 27th patch that introduced the problem but I still have the issue with no clue how to fix
is this the one where they bend their knees inwards?

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@sullen dirge

sullen dirge Nov 8, 2020, 9:50 AM

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well for me my left leg was bending in the complete opposite direction, despite being fine pre patch

heavy shale Nov 8, 2020, 9:51 AM

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im currently trying to fix kne bending issues, but I was told it had to do with my rig. so im currently uploading/about to test it

sullen dirge Nov 8, 2020, 9:52 AM

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ended up doing some tweaks to the skeleton and its fine now, I guess they changed something with ik and its much more sensitive to slightly off bone rotations now

heavy shale Nov 8, 2020, 9:52 AM

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yeah im going to be having fun getting it perfect

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I might end up solving the problem the same way I solved bad hand animation

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upgrading to fullbody

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lmao

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legs cant bend inward if its your own legs

sullen dirge Nov 8, 2020, 9:53 AM

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I believe what fixed it was making sure the upper leg bones head and tail x positions were the same

heavy shale Nov 8, 2020, 9:53 AM

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hmm

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ill keep that in mind

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i just eyeballed brought my hips in so they were not pointing in, then brought my knees out a tiny bit

rigid whale Nov 8, 2020, 3:58 PM

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We need a bfb 4 avatar tbh

crisp garnet Nov 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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i need help with my gestures

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when i press thumbsup i want my avatar to do a spooky jumpscare but nothing is working for me

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i followed tutorials but my animations still work like half of the time

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nvm i got it working

short badger Nov 8, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Does someone know where a Puro/Changed avatar is?

neon finch Nov 8, 2020, 10:14 PM

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anybody know where a absolutely massive avatar is

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Has anyone got experience with final IK for multi legged characters? How worth it is it? I've not got the money to just buy it to test it.

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Does it work well?

neon finch Nov 8, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Hey guys it the changeable size still available in vr chat or did it gor patches out

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The thing where u can make itself bigger and smaller

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And the viewpoint is following

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Uff how to call it

solemn crag Nov 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Anyone know a world with baymax or buff pokemon???

neon finch Nov 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Doesn't this one have them? https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_d6cfc958-d143-4ceb-98ac-6ee4ad4f121c

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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As a side question, is there a free alternative to final ik?

neon finch Nov 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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To do what?

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Do IK things. I'd like to make a four legged character.

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And Final IK costs too much, I don't have money for that.

neon finch Nov 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Hm.. Let me check in quickly with my expert friend in spider avatars.

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Thanks!

wintry glade Nov 8, 2020, 11:48 PM

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The only way to legitimate procedural animation is via final IK. However, something to keep in mind is that VRC uses VRIK for your legs when in 3 point tracking and you walk in your room.
With AV3 you have much more control on your locomotion, you could animate your legs to walk in all the different directions, however it wont be procedural and will clip through terrain if the height changes.

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Animating them by hand seems like it might be difficult and not look so great.

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https://i.imgur.com/ZMGMjg0.png The robot I made that I wish to make walk.

wintry glade Nov 8, 2020, 11:51 PM

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The difficulty of animating them by hand is why procedural animation is a good solution. It's a shame we have to go third party and pay for it

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Keep in mind you can animate an FBX in blender and have IK recorded there, its a handy trick.

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 11:52 PM

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At such a high price too. 😅 I'd love it, but not missing out on life sustaining food-love it.

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I'm not sure how that works?

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But it sounds like a very useful tip to learn about

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So confused thank you!

wintry glade Nov 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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You can set up IK in blender and when you animate in blender the IK will be recorder. Recordings on FBX's can be exported to unity and converted easily

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I remember animating a spider manually and its honestly ok. Main thing you miss out on is the legs grounding to the floor

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I bought final IK around last spring for half off so thats something to keep in mind

cedar flare Nov 8, 2020, 11:59 PM

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ah so you're letting IK work and saving it as an animation