That would let us know if the object you're trying to manipulate is simply incorrect somehow.
#udon-general
cunning mist
outer hull
wait do i need to give the script to the world as well or just the pickup?
grand temple
just the pickup
outer hull
yeah i have just the pickup
attached to the script
okay i put the pickup in the world and the pickup didnt change size
grand temple
if you press play in the editor, does it change size? Or do you get an error in the console
outer hull
i got 2 warnings
grand temple
errors
grand temple
so does it scale anything?
outer hull
no
outer hull
so did y'all find a solution
grand temple
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work
cunning mist
I've never personally used Playmaker before, is someone able to vouch one way or the other if they like they layout/setup of Udon or Playmaker better?
tidal lava
Is there any plans to allow the manipulation of post processing using UDON?
flint urchin
Not yet, but requested
stuck mountain
@tidal lava you should be able to control the weight using an animator, same as before
tidal lava
Well ye but I dont wanna do it that way anymore
stuck mountain
in fact you get direct access to float params
tidal lava
animator poopie
stuck mountain
who cares, it's literally one file with an animation track
it's not like you have to make that for each volume. just stick it on the same game object. use normalized time.
and then in udon it's literally just set float parameter
sometimes animators are the right solution still. they do have uses
tidal lava
I mean, that beats doing it the old way, but just having it implemented into UDON would be good for some other uses and would be better
native fern
How do I grab trigger input from a vr controller in Udon? Using Input.GetAxisRaw?
grand temple
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_iF0NjJniTnQn-knCjb5nLh6rlLfW_QKM19wtSW_S9w/edit?usp=sharing
inputs with a range of 0 to 1 are input.getaxisraw. inputs with a range of false to true are input.getbutton
native fern
thank you!
worn kestrel
Has anyone had issues with UDON behaviours not initialising ingame?. I have an behaviour that logs to console on Start (as a test) but that log is not present ingame (even with --enable-debug-gui --enable-sdk-log-levels arguments)
fiery yoke
Last time I checked UdonBehaviour would only work if its on the root level, so if it was a child of even an empty GameObject it wouldnt work lol.
I thought that had been fixed, but try doing that...
worn kestrel
It is the child of an empty gameobject, so let me try that
Yes that is the issue, after moving the object to root I now see the log message
Is there an existing canny for that?
Couldn't find one, so I've made a canny https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-bugs/p/906-behaviours-on-gameobjects-that-are-children-of-other-gameobjects-fail-to-ini
fiery yoke
I told TCL about that but he never responded to that particular problem, Im gonna hit him up again tomorrow I guess. This is a pretty game breaking problem, for a release candidate lol
tacit chasm
so what is related to what I asked ?
fiery yoke
Currently there is a problem where UdonBehaviour doesnt properly initialise ingame, if it is not on the Top-Level.
That is probably why almost none of the old Udon worlds work properly right now.
tacit chasm
mmh
worn kestrel
That was also an issue in 904, although I only found it a couple hours before 906 was released.
fiery yoke
Its been a problem for a while
Kinda shocked that it hasnt been fixed yet
First time I've encountered that problem was 03/02
serene moat
It's a scripting language to use in worlds, this post has more information about it https://ask.vrchat.com/t/getting-started-with-udon/80
crystal geyser
Does anyone have a basic write up on making a "Button" (anything you can interact with) set to toggle (Enable/Disable) another object?
I'm just having issues wrapping my head around the logic of Udon here
scarlet lake
Make a udon script with the onInteract event, add your logic there, Then make a button and in the onClick button event add your udon object and in the dropdown choose udon->oninteract. Dont forget to add a uishape to your canvas so you get raycasts
@crystal geyser
or add a cube with a udon behaviour and add an interact event so when you click it something happens
dawn plover
Someone knows if the Get Tracking Data node or the Tracking Data Get Rotation is fully working? Because I'm trying to make an object follow the head of the player, but for some reason it only rotate on the Y axis, the tilt of the head and looking up and down doesn't work
grand temple
it should be working, are you maybe using playerapi get rotation instead of tracking data get rotation? Because that would give you the base rotation not the head
fiery yoke
Last time I checked (yesterday) it was working perfectly yes. (For head rotation and position)
dawn plover
Yup, it's working if I put that node alone, it's probably something that doesn't work in my script then 😛
dim shard
Is a Texture2D variable not available in Udon node?
fiery yoke
@dim shard No currently Udon gives no access to any Textures. However you can still get a reference to a Texture, via Materials and use UI Events to do certain things with Textures.
humble jacinth
So this'll probably be a stretch but I'm wanting to make a Tardis (for those of you that know what Doctor Who is) world with udon and I'm wondering if it would be possible to actually have the bigger on the inside effect and actually walk into the Tardis and instantly be teleported inside?
dim shard
omg...
OK, thank you!
fiery yoke
@humble jacinth I dont exactly know how the Tardis works, but you can fake non-euclidean space with portals to an extent. Im working on something like that right now, however that is definitely not trivial.
stuck mountain
@humble jacinth how far into the tardis do you need to go? WIll the tardis move, or is it in a fixed location.
If the tardis is placed into fixed locations, you can make use of clever level design combined with clever use of depth buffer and/or stencils, to create the tardis effect without needing portals
basically you need to restrict the player so there is no overlap between the areas you can walk within the tardis and areas you walk outside
For example, The 11th and 12 doctor tardises were multiple stories tall, and this is perfect, because it means you can have the tardis on ground level, and you can present the interior of the tardis, but have the player walk down stairs, effectively putting them underground
At this point, it wouldn't be an udon question though. just a graphics / stencil thing
fiery yoke
Yeah I didnt even consider that. You could ofcourse just use stencils. That would actually make it a lot easier.
stuck mountain
it's just a question of what type of gameplay you are going for, and which tradeoffs you want. no solution possible within vrchat is perfect in every way. The solution I propose is merely a "cheap trick" and it's very restrictive but very easy to build.
Helpful Helper's portals would allow for way more flexible gameplay and usages of the tardis. The only downsides aside from implementation time, are audio / possible stutter of other players as they pass through the portal, and additional lag due to needing a camera.
fiery yoke
Stencils and toggling collisions would probably be good enough
humble jacinth
Well seeing as I like to do things the complicated way, I don't wanna use stencils cus there's a world on the current version of vrc that uses that system and if i stand outside the box and my friend is inside, i can see them just floating mid air if i look behind the box. So yea if possible i'd like to actually use a portal system to actually be teleported from the exterior into the interior.
humble jacinth
Don't know if i'm allowed to post youtube links in this channel but this is essentially what i'm wanting to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuQao3hEKfs
serene moat
Udon doesn't expose what's necessary to make portals like this correct in VR at the moment afaik. You need to make sure the camera scale matches the main camera, which there's no function to do. Also at the moment cameras that don't have a target texture set are incorrectly being filtered so you can't act on them in Udon. Ironically you can do portals like this in SDK2 perfectly fine, it's just a pain
humble jacinth
You're the one that made that camera test world that has the portal system correct? @serene moat
serene moat
yes
if the camera test portals were what you were talking about with being able to see people behind the portal, you'll have the same exact issue if you were able to follow that tutorial in Udon
you have to make a specific effort to mask out the players behind the portal which isn't fun
humble jacinth
Is there any chance you could help me get it working the way you have it in your world?
serene moat
it's not usable in Udon worlds because it's using triggers and the combat system 🤷♂️
I might make a prefab of the SDK2 version at some point, but I'm busy with U# at the moment and it's a thing that'd take a few days to walk through setting up
humble jacinth
If you made a prefab of that or some kind of thing to help set it up in the SDK2 version, that would be extremely helpful 😄
fiery yoke
@humble jacinth These are my portals currently. They only work in Desktop due to the problems Merlin described as its really hard to get proper VR rendering.
humble jacinth
That's amazing, even if it only works for desktop
fiery yoke
This isnt very thoroughly tested at all tho, so there might be issues that I didnt come across yet. Also a technique that is commonly used in Portals is shadow cloning, however thats not possible with Avatars. I have an idea how you could solve that problem, but Im not too sure on the maths yet
Also seemless teleporting currently is janky. Because of bugs.
And then you have other problems like culling the avatar which is probably impossible, at least directly, so you have to use weird camera shenanigans as Merlin said...as I said, not trivial
humble jacinth
Would be nice if i could atleast get my hands on something i can mess around with to see if i can get it working to an extent
fiery yoke
I still think that you'd be better of using Stencils and Collision trickery. That is far more reliable, and probably easier to setup.
humble jacinth
Maybe i'll just have to use the old wall divider trick, just have a room with the exterior, and on the outside of the room have the interior, just open the door and it give the bigger on the inside illusion
rain pendant
can GetPickupInHand and SetPickupInHand please be exposed to udon
scarlet lake
Is there one-click solution for syncing rigidbodies with gravity? Or do we have to do it manually now
cerulean monolith
I'm sure this isn't an original question but, What exactly is Udon and what makes it (presumably) revolutionary for VR Chat as a whole ?
grand temple
Its nearly complete access to scripting from scratch, rather than a limited set of premade scripts.
The premade scripts can go surprisingly far but they have limits. For example they can't access all the inputs from a player, they can only get the left joystick, menu buttons, and both joystick clicks. Udon can get all of it, both joysticks, both triggers, both grips.
topaz olive
grand temple
someone just asked that question right above you
fallen prawn
How to use VRCPlayerApi.TeleportTo?
It gives me this error.
Can't both.
But using get position xor get rotation is fine
nova hornet
Haven't personally checked it out, but this might help you out
https://sites.google.com/view/noodlebowlvrc/home
There is a udon teleport prefab you could look how it's set up
scarlet lake
try getting the local player in start and save it to a variable
it works 4 me
in the transform get position try adding gameobject.getcomponent then type transform
and rotation
fallen prawn
I'm a bit confusing in quaternion. (Let me take wiki for a bit.)
But I want to ask that If I want up/down to be constant, which one should I set to depend on player rotation?
grand temple
that's not really an operation you can do with quaternions. You shouldn't manipulate individual parts of the quaternion
instead you can convert it to euler, clamp the X and Z axis, and then convert back to quaternion
but you don't really need to do that anyway because you can just do playerapi.getrotation directly instead of dealing with the head
fallen prawn
Oh so you mean VRCPlayerAPI.getRotation() doesn't follow head vertical rotation?
grand temple
it does not
fallen prawn
🤦♂️
I want some ACTUAL language.
... I'm started to hate graph now, It gives me tons of bugs (like https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/657394772603830360/692997759363579974) the fix is ... delete it and redo it exactly the same, and it solved by nonsense.
grand temple
queen panther
How do you get stations to work in udon? I can't sit in any of them
cunning mist
@queen panther The UdonGraph for the stations are not defaultly added to the UdonBehavior on the VRCChair3 prefab. Place it inside and you should be good.
queen panther
oh! thanks
fallen prawn
What does "THIS" do?
grand temple
Some nodes still have that when they don't need it. Used to be a lot more like that
fallen prawn
MEGA 🤦
fickle stirrup
@fallen prawn this is like do stuff only after <this is done> 🤔 i think, like do something with this bool only after this bool has been received and not before, when it's not exist
fallen prawn
It gives me error If I connect "process noddle (white one)" with that node.
It works normally if i don't connect it and act like boolean node.
fickle stirrup
then lol )
spare beacon
how to change interaction text on non pickup object?
grand temple
debug mode on udonbehaviour
spare beacon
thank you)
fallen prawn
After Standard assets component whitelist removes in SDK3.
How to make 3rd person camera?
normal jolt
I haven't tried Udon in a few months, have Video Screens been implemented yet?
flint urchin
nope
normal jolt
Dang, I want to implement a queueing/voting system for video players
flint urchin
You could already make part of that system now
I know at least one person that has everything ready for when it's added. So all they have to add is support for the video players
normal jolt
I have my algorithms in place already, based on data from years ago. I just need video screens to work with udon
flint urchin
Well, you're not alone on that one 🙂
normal jolt
Do you know if they will be implemented before Udon is officially released?
raven peak
i think they are wanting to make sure 2018 gets out soon. then they will focus more on udon and other features.
raven peak
👍
ya udon feels like a preview of whats being worked on and letting people try it out. not really production ready yet.
normal jolt
feels pretty close though; I just hope that security and stability are prioritized with the final release
flint urchin
With what's missing and bugs, I wouldn't say it's anywhere close
flint urchin
Nope, no info
tough ledge
is position sync without interpolation available? seems that "Synchronize Position" in udon component cause interpolation
scarlet lake
How do you add custom animations to vrc stations?
fallen prawn
Isn't Custom animation is right there on VRC Station?
scarlet lake
i need help with login in i made an account on vrchat.com but idk how to connect it to my steam account
scarlet lake
Isn't Custom animation is right there on VRC Station?
@fallen prawn It doesn't seem to work, I tried adding the animation override from SDK2/examples but no worky :c
fallen prawn
@fallen prawn It doesn't seem to work, I tried adding the animation override from SDK2/examples but no worky :c
@scarlet lake IDK then, canny doesn't found too. If it's a bug, you can report.
radiant panther
Hello I installed the 2018.4.20f1 and i import vrcsdk-2020.03.28.10.18 and than the udon 2020.03.28.09.26 but when I try to local test or build and publish it opens the vrchat (in beta like it suppose to be)but it just puts me into my home map.
no red errors only those
turbid badger
hello everyone, would there be someone who could help me? I want to add music to a world, mix more than an hour and have a play list. it's possible? thank you ^^
fervent smelt
I'm new to the beta and udon, i'm trying to get all my features of my world ready for the new version, anyone knows a replacement for the component "vrc custom renderer behaviour" ?
fervent smelt
Or i should stick only to vrsdk 2?
fallen prawn
Or i should stick only to vrsdk 2?
@fervent smelt You should, If just migration.
Reason
1.Sync video player node on VRCSDK3 is not exposed yet.
2.So we don't know when they'll do anything about video player on SDK3.
fervent smelt
im not using vrc renderer behaviour for a video player, im using it for general GI purposes
fallen prawn
hello everyone, would there be someone who could help me? I want to add music to a world, mix more than an hour and have a play list. it's possible? thank you ^^
@turbid badger
I have some ideas.
1.Use Audio Bank on SDK2
2.Use regular Audio Source, Use clip that you combined.
3.Use array of Audio Clip then set clip when a clip is end.
Hello I installed the 2018.4.20f1 and i import vrcsdk-2020.03.28.10.18 and than the udon 2020.03.28.09.26 but when I try to local test or build and publish it opens the vrchat (in beta like it suppose to be)but it just puts me into my home map.
@radiant panther
IDK. but according to my experience this can be the cause.
1.Compiler error. Look for it and try to find ways to solve it. (Try clear and build first to prevent confusion.)
2.Something missing in SDK, compiler error when importing SDK. Try solve the error then reinstall.
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I want to know that that actually is this.
Is this do what the text says? (I mean sync THIS variable VALUE to everyone in instance instead of personal value)
radiant panther
fiery yoke
As far as I understand it Udon Ownership works similar to the Trigger ownership, where each UdonBehaviour has a master. If a variable is synced, the master tells each person what the current value is when it changed. However since Networking wasnt fully implemented last time I looked at it, Im not quite sure.
Also syncMode is probably about interpolation if I would have to guess, and might only apply to values that can be interpolated, or even just Transforms, not sure. Also no idea where the difference is between linear and smooth, since linear smoothing is a thing and it kinda implies that linear (interpolation?) is not smooth...
Networking in Udon seems very unpolished still imo
fallen prawn
So if I'm trying to guess
If I am owner and change int value from 1 to 5 in 1 tick
none - 1 > 5
linear - 1>2>3>4>5
smooth - IDK maybe linear expo or log . :P
But at first ... send custom event works now 🤣.
fiery yoke
SendCustomEvent always worked, do you mean SendCustomNetworkEvent?
fallen prawn
Yes I mean that network one 🤦 sorry.
@fiery yoke
After I search is owner(gonna give a try).
What is difference between Networking one and PlayerAPI one?
fiery yoke
Good question...Im gonna look into that
fallen prawn
Is master also give me confusion about this two.
fiery yoke
Well anything that has to do with "Networking" is usually instance management, but in case it has an Object argument that is probably networked objects.
Im not an expert on the Networking side...maybe someone with more experience in PUN can answer this better
The second post I would guess as Networking being the client-side, so if your particular client is master of the instance, while the VRCPlayerAPI accepts any PlayerApi (so also remote ones) and tells you if they are master or not.
Same probably goes for the Object situation then, it tells you if your client, or any PlayerApi is owner of an object. However Networking.IsOwner(PlayerAPI, GameObject) and VRCPlayerApi.IsOwner(GameObject) seem redundant.
And if my guess is true then GetLocalPlayerApi > PlayerAPI.IsMaster and Networking.IsMaster are equivalent
fallen prawn
I hope they'll remove any duplication soon
BTW. Is player ID Static? or just change when Player join new instance.
fiery yoke
Not sure, but I think thats the Universal player ID you get from VRChat so yours would be:
usr_5be2e415-54c9-410a-8f4a-51c149cef139
ohh wait its an int
Well in that case, no idea
I wish there was more/any documentation on this...and there probably is gonna be at some point. But until then its either guessing or testing.
fiery yoke
Yeah thats an artifact of them generating some stuff
playerId is a variable, so they have a getter for that.
But they also have a method to get the variable directly so you end up with redundancy.
fiery yoke
Yeah probably since playerId isnt private and therefore the generator somehow had access to it and made a getter.
Usually you would mark the variable as private and have a dedicated Get method, which is what they've also done.
Not sure if that is correct, but I dont think this was on purpose. But you can assume that they do the same. However its safer to use the actual GetPlayerId method, since the generated one, might be deleted.
fallen prawn
Can't find the method to test player ID.
I tried both node on UIText, gives me nothing.
acoustic delta
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <e1319b7195c343e79b385cd3aa43f5dc>:0
at VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler.CompileNode (VRC.Udon.Graph.UdonNodeData node, VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler+CompilerState state, System.String returnName, System.Int32 otherIndex) [0x014bb] in C:\VRChatGit\VRChat-Udon\UdonVM\Udon\Compiler\Source\Compilers\UdonGraphCompiler.cs:840
at VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler.CompileNode (VRC.Udon.Graph.UdonNodeData node, VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler+CompilerState state, System.String returnName, System.Int32 otherIndex) [0x002fe] in```Getting this when trying to open several of my older graphs...
Has anyone gotten it before? Not sure what is causing this...
fiery yoke
Yes I think thats related to the reusing output noodles problem isnt it?
acoustic delta
Oh no... All of this was in December, when that wasn't a problem, so it tries to reuse nodes as much as possible to reduce lag in the editor, as back then I only had a laptop...
Complete U# rewrite it is then 🙂
@fiery yoke Thanks for the help!
fiery yoke
Yeah its definitely a problem that should be fixed before release .-.
@acoustic delta can you narrow down what exactly causes that problem and in which cases?
acoustic delta
I can try, right now about 10 out of 25 graphs are reporting the error above, as well as KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary. with no stack trace. I tried picking one of the graphs and fixing all cases where a node was used twice in that graph, but that didn't seem to fix it. Maybe simply copying the graph over to a new file would fix it, but I don't have much time right now so faster porting it to U#. Maybe will have time to further debug it tomorrow.
fiery yoke
Hmm so for you its only old graphs that broke?
I got the problem when I created a completely new graph aswell, can you try that really quick, I dont have Udon open right now
acoustic delta
Yes, only old ones, the ones from December are completely broken. Those from February works.
I can try, what do I need to do? Create a graph and have a node be reused?
fiery yoke
I guess? Maybe its relevant if its a flow node or not
acoustic delta
fiery yoke
Alright Im gonna boot up Udon as well
acoustic delta
I don't remember if that canny was fixed or not
fiery yoke
Yeah I thought it was related to that, but this seems to be a different problem
brisk shoal
When using udon, worlds still can be published as public? (Labs)
acoustic delta
@fiery yoke It's the same
The canny I made "udon-graphs-breaks-if-reusing-nodes-other-than-getvariable" previously threw:
AssemblyException: Undefined data identifier 'UIDTOPROPERTYISMISSING'. Identifiers must be defined before use.
However now it throws:
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <e1319b7195c343e79b385cd3aa43f5dc>:0
at VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler.CompileNode (VRC.Udon.Graph.UdonNodeData node, VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler+CompilerState state, System.String returnName, System.Int32 otherIndex) [0x014bb] in C:\VRChatGit\VRChat-Udon\UdonVM\Udon\Compiler\Source\Compilers\UdonGraphCompiler.cs:840
at VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler.CompileNode (VRC.Udon.Graph.UdonNodeData node, VRC.Udon.Compiler.Compilers.UdonGraphCompiler+CompilerState state```I replicated the graph in the image in that canny post.
fiery yoke
Ahh I think I understand whats going on
Ohh wait
It still happens?
Like with a new graph...
Yeah I see.
This is bad
acoustic delta
Yes, created a new graph just now, drew the following graph and it crashes.
acoustic delta
@fiery yoke Doesn't seem like it, no. I will delete that note from the canny then.
fiery yoke
Seems like a pretty bad problem for the Graph Compiler.
queen panther
Is there any plans for VRCSDK3 to reimplement the combat system?
flint urchin
We don't know yet, but you can already create it yourself
grand temple
to be fair, we can't ragdoll the player
but that's it
we could already do 80% of combat system with SDK2, now we can do 90% with SDK3
that last 10% being colliders matched to the bones
and one advantage is that the way SDK3 gives us bone positions, it won't break avatar joints
arctic charm
hello :3
west plover
How guaranteed is network event delivery?
At-most-once?
Does the emitter know when the event is received and redrives if it doesn't, or is the event dropped?
fallen prawn
How guaranteed is network event delivery?
@west plover I don't know that it'll bufferOne or bufferAll.
fallen prawn
[Repost]
What is this?
No Unity documentation also.
tame matrix
they will delete game objects, I recommend just using destroy, destroy immediate isn't really recommended aside from specific use cases
fiery yoke
DestroyImmediate is mainly for destroying objects while in the editor.
Also not sure, but with Triggers you were supposed to use Reap instead of destroy, because of networking stuff, but not sure if thats still the case or if there even is such a method in Udon
echo coral
Is Udon still considered alpha? The docs here say that: https://docs.vrchat.com/v2020.1.1/docs/getting-started-with-udon
But the beta announcements make it sound like VRCSDK2 is for maintaining older worlds and VRCSDK3 is what all new worlds should use?
nova hornet
Yes, Udon is still in alpha. For new worlds you can choose whatever you feel more comfortable using, though Udon obviously is the way forward and will receive tons of updates and neat things while SDK2 (Trigger/event system) is just going to be kept on life support.
The only reason you'd want to use SDK2 for a new world that I can think of is it's less intimidating to use for basic world logic.
echo coral
Are there any resources for updating a world from SDK2 to Udon?
fallen prawn
Are there any resources for updating a world from SDK2 to Udon?
@echo coral
Right now is no.
echo coral
So, what does the actual process look like, just deleting all triggers on all objects and then putting new Udon logic in?
fallen prawn
So, what does the actual process look like, just deleting all triggers on all objects and then putting new Udon logic in?
@echo coral
What do you mean actual process? Migration?
echo coral
(after deleting the SDK)
Yes, migration
I don't have a ton of complex triggers in my world yet
I have been waiting on adding more logic until I can move to Udon
And I would like to get started with that
fallen prawn
You have 2 choices.
1.Keep using triggers in 2018 it still supported but just no feature update.
2.DELETE all triggers (If you migrate from 2017 to 2018 without importing SDK2 then delete all triggers/event handler is still fine I think.) then start with Udon from scratch.
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How to define other non-children gameobject in prefab?
It's always reset to self while I'm building.
fiery yoke
@fallen prawn Prefabs are serialized assets, they cannot reference anything outside of their own scope. So you cant.
drifting sage
@echo coral We do not (and will not) support "migration" from SDK2 to SDK3. Official recommendation is to start from meshes, textures, etc with zero components added.
fallen prawn
@fiery yoke What happened If I instantiate the GameObject instead of prefab?
Does it Instantiate like text says?
fiery yoke
Yeah should work. There were problems with instantiating Udon Behaviours in the past tho, dont know if that has been fixed
violet bane
what is udon?
flint urchin
Read #udon-info
proper nexus
So, I've opened an Udon example but can't move my view left/right, just scroll up/down. Am I just blind and sleep deprived or is there a trick to it?
peak brook
Ya click and drag around, like in the animator tab
proper nexus
left click + drag selects an area on my end
right click opens a menu with only one option to paste
peak brook
Middle mouse button
proper nexus
omg thanks, new to all this(literally started yesterday and now the only thing I had to show for it is broken)
proper nexus
Yeah I finally got lipsink working on a basic avatar and I went to upload when I got the ping for the update lol
delicate hazel
Usharp are available for current version？
proper nexus
Is there a documentation page available somewhere?
delicate hazel
@grand temple So newest version of usharp is fine or i should download other version?
grand temple
Newest yes
The only case where you should get an old version is unity itself. 2018.4.20. everything else from the sdk to plugins to compilers should be newest version
hoary ocean
I keep getting:
Assets/Udon/Serialization/Formatters/UdonProgramFormatter.cs(25,35): error CS1644: Feature `out variable declaration' cannot be used because it is not part of the C# 4.0 language specification
flint urchin
@proper nexus no documentation for VRChat nodes no, but anything else is available in Unity documentation and C# documentation
@hoary ocean Go to Edit -> Project Settings -> Player find Scripting Runtime Version and Api Compatibility Level and set those to .NET 4
glossy sky
Not exactly sure why I can't get rid of this error. Any fix?
https://i.imgur.com/UlbBKHh.png
EDIT: Figured out the issue!
hoary ocean
I put it in a converted project. my fault
undone panther
Are there any tutorials? Videos? Google Docs, anything? ok nvm just looked on the ask vrchat link
warm basin
How would I check if a value is between a certain range?
wind turret
Does anyone know how to change world settings like disabling/enabling jump and setting the jump height with SDK now that player mods are gone?
jagged crow
hey so can I use udon without needing to opt into a beta client/sdk etc? it should just work now?
grand temple
yep
jagged crow
sick
scarlet lake
So if your shaders and stuff are already supported by Udon, there's nothing I need to update on my avatar? (When avatar uploading is enabled)
wraith berry
I'm trying to make a button to turn on a mirror but everytime I click on the button the cube disappears, and yes I did place the mirror object into the variable. What am I doing wrong?
flint urchin
You got to check the box in the SetActive node
If you want to toggle, you will also have to get the gameobjects current active state
then use unary it
acoustic delta
Unary is a boolean invert, i.e. "active = !active" to toggle
clear spruce
yo quick question how would i get the playerid through ontriggerenter colllider output variable? i mean i can get the instance id but im not sure thats the same any ideas?
copper torrent
@wind turret apparently there's a playermods node of some kind in udon where you change it IIRC
wind turret
Yeah I figured it out. You need the network local player node to feed into the playerapi.setjumpvelocity node or something like that.
flint urchin
@clear spruce you can only get the players instance id, but not the id itself. It's been requested on the canny I believe.
clear spruce
So how would i get the player from the trigger collision then to make a teleporter is that not a thing?
fiery yoke
I got a guide for that on the ask vrchat forum. Not sure if that is the only/optimal way, but its one way
clear spruce
Ok same name on there helpfull
Or do you maybe have a link for me
I mean the only other way that i see is checking if it is a player and comparing the gameobject with the before logged players gameobject in a playerarray
clear spruce
Thx
fiery yoke
This might be a lot easier with using the "OnControllerColliderHit" event, since only your gameobject should have a Controller Collider.
Would be cool if you could test this for me.
Just use a OnControllerColliderHit event and local player api.
I only found out about that node after I wrote the guide
clear spruce
Tbh i will tomorrow gonna sleep now to late for me to look more into this but thx for the help atleast sofar
wraith berry
I still really don't understand why the cube is disappearing rather than the mirror turning on
like it shouldn't be doing anything to the cube
fiery yoke
@wraith berry Did you make sure to assign references? :P
flint urchin
Show graph!
wraith berry
it's just this, like it shouldn't really need anything else for it to just turn on
desert pike
Quick question. Is Udon made also for non programmers or we need to learn 'programing' to even be able to use it? Ngl after looking at it a bit i can already tell Triggers are way better and self explanatory than this thingy
zealous aspen
Hey I'm having a bit of an issue with udon. I have a vrchat initialize running which is correctly creating my objects. The only issue is that it doesn't seem to run any blocks after it, and I'm not sure how to fix this issue. If anyone knows how to, please tell me.
floral dove
@desert pike it's meant for non-programmers to use, but at the moment it's a lot easier to understand what's going on if you've got programming knowledge. We've got some things planned that should help make things much easier for everyone!
zealous aspen
floral dove
@zealous aspen - you just need to connect the output flow (triangle) from Instantiate to GameObject SetActive
floral dove
in Udon, only things that are connected via flow ever "happen"
zealous aspen
Sorry, I accidentally removed that connection when I was removing something else. It still doesn't work though.
desert pike
Ngl, but i feel bit disapointed by that
zealous aspen
Even with it connected, it still does not activate the cloned gameobject
floral dove
try pressing 'reload graph' and wait for it to compile.
zealous aspen
No change
floral dove
hm - let me make that same graph here. So you're instantiating a prefab that's inactive by default, and you want it to become active after Instantiation?
zealous aspen
Yes
tame matrix
any particular reason why you'd need to do that? the object won't exist in the scene before being cloned anyways
floral dove
@zealous aspen - yeah, I'm getting an error when I try to do that. May be a bug, I'll track it internally. Agree with @tame matrix though - in this case, could you just have the prefab Active in your library so it's good to go when it comes in?
zealous aspen
I need to generate a lot of objects and modify their values. I can't think of any other way to do this.
I need to generate a lot of objects and modify their values. I can't think of any other way to do this.
floral dove
FYI VRCInstantiate doesn't work across the network right now in SDK3 so you might not get very far at the moment anyway. Is it possible to do this at edit-time instead? That's what I've done for some projects - write an editor script to generate the objects before I compile, and then they're already in the scene for all players.
But at the moment, I'm seeing an issue with grabbing the output Gameobject from VRChat Instantiate - I get an error if I even try to just Debug.Log the GameObject's name, so it may be a bug. If so, I'll want to get that fixed soon!
zealous aspen
I don't need the objects to be synced. They'll generate the same way across everyone on the same instance with a few starting values. I just need to generate a lot of objects, which will have dynamic values.
floral dove
Right - I'm saying that I don't know that VRCInstantiate works for non-master users at the moment. I recommend you think on whether it's possible to generate them in the editor for now, since you can write a script to make them all and modify / randomize their values. I've gotta run, I wish you good luck!
fiery yoke
Yeah not being able to get a reference to an instantiated GameObject seems pretty bad, what exception does it even cause?
floral dove
@fiery yoke I'm getting a key not found error in the editor. Agree that Gameobject instantiation working well is high priority IMO.
fiery yoke
A Key not found? That sounds supiciously like https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-bugs/p/udon-graphs-breaks-if-reusing-nodes-other-than-getvariable
Might be related?
floral dove
Might be! Not using the clone anywhere else but it might be worth making it a temp variable and getting that variable as a workaround.
Making dinner now but I'll try it later tonight.
I had to pull that variable trick to get my AirBlaster world's for loops working.
fiery yoke
Well if it fails at a simple Debug already, then it probably doesnt have anything to do with reusing the output. For Debugging you could do a reflection on the Dictionary, and see if theres anything in there at all.
Dont even know which Dictionary this is referencing, is it from the Node?
floral dove
Making some dinner, bbiab
void void
I'm soo lost. Facepalm
long sentinel
so I cant find the player mods component, guess we have to use udon for jumping? watched through the basic tutorials, am kinda lost tho, how do I implement jumping 🤔
also video 3 has been removed
fiery yoke
Theres nodes for setting jump height, walk speed etc. Just plug in the LocalPlayer via Network.GetLocalPlayerApi or something like that on Start
long sentinel
😰 uff
can you give a tl:dr on the public variables video? cause its gone and i think im missing some info
oh wait, video 4 is called that now, but program variables doesnt exist
fiery yoke
You can get and set public variables using a reference to the UdonBehaviour you want to set/get the variable on. Also you can edit public variables in the Editor. Besides that they are just variables. I dont know what else was in that video
zealous aspen
Are there any work arounds on initializing objects? I'm dealing with 1000+ objects so theres no real way for me to manually do it.
fiery yoke
Editor Scripts. As long as they dont need to be generated from runtime data.
zealous aspen
Well, I have some dynamic data that's value will determine a lot of the properties of the objects, and it will be different across multiple objects. Additionally, I'm needing a way that can theoretically generate infinite objects, so it isn't very feasible for me to not generate the objects.
long sentinel
Ah yeah got the variable stuff figured out, was just confused cause when you start with a gameobject var it just says bool instead of public, some weird things still happening, cant figure out the jumping stuff ) did GetLocalPlayer -> Set Jump Impulse 10)
tried to spawn a small ball OnPlayerJoin
thats for the spawn
vernal siren
Maybe this might change in the future but since allot of people like myself have no real use for Udon, the SDK shouldn't force you to download it and instead just opt of out it. I choose not to download it but now the player wont play unless i have it installed
fiery yoke
If you dont want to use Udon, use SDK2. SDK3 is specifically meant for Udon.
long sentinel
also adding OnInteract to an gameobject allows it to be clicked but the text says Use
any way to override that with sth else?
fiery yoke
Yeah, you have to go into Debug Mode in the Inspector
long sentinel
I found Set Interaction Text but
jagged crow
Hey the "Public Variables" video is gone from this page https://ask.vrchat.com/t/spinning-cube-example-series/81
floral dove
@zealous aspen could you be more specific with what you're trying to do? Instantiating thousands of objects is less than ideal, and won't work across the network for now anyway. Probably better to use a pooling method or at least make them ahead of time.
@jagged crow we've got a new replacement video on the way. For now, take a look through the Udon/Examples scenes in the Editor and the included Readme. There's lots of public variables being used in those Udon programs that should show you the way.
long sentinel
wait
youre telling me there example scenes ._. this makes things easier, me stupid
zealous aspen
I know it wouldn't be very efficient, but like I said, I don't need any of it to work across a network.
fallen shore
is there someone who knows how the udon triggers work id like to ask few questions according to new world im creating
grand temple
You're not going to get an answer if you don't ask a question
fallen shore
i though about if someone wanted to talk about it in private so i wouldnt spam the channel
well simply said i want to create working book
also how do i open the udon graph tab
fallen shore
public variables is deleted
jagged crow
yeah they're working on another one
fallen shore
how does one set the vrchat world test client path
gives me this when i click build and test
long sentinel
so jumping works for desktop because the space button
but how do i make vr people jump
grand temple
set jump impulse is not something you activate every time you want the player to jump
it's a setting that you change once at start
so get rid of all the update and get input stuff and just have on start > set jump impulse
long sentinel
but it didnt work before 🤔 i will try it, thanks!
fallen shore
i got it to work finally
tried to make cube turn when i interact with it but
what did i do wrong
fallen prawn
- Why isRotating is string?
zealous aspen
Hey, I'm wondering if there is any way for me to get the instance id with udon. I need some value that is unique across multiple instances but the same for all people in a single instance.
fallen shore
well for some reason in the video that component has "name" in it not string
"event name"
or something else
idk
long sentinel
@grand temple my man! jumping works, big happy
fallen prawn
I mean variable isRotate is string and you return the variable to branch, which need boolean.
It'll return null or something else that mean nothing as boolean
fallen shore
oh wait idk why that is even there
so what do i need to repair here
turn the string to bool?
fallen prawn
Create the node called Variable Boolean (Just type "boolean" you can't search with keyword "variable" now.)
Then get variable from that variable
If want to turn from string to boolean you can use drop down menu at the top of the node and find boolean.
fallen shore
fallen prawn
yes.
you don't need to publish the variable btw.
fallen shore
still doesnt rotate thoi
should i use something else instead of Interact node or soemthing
acoustic delta
Interract does (AFAIK) not work if you are pressing Play in the Unity editor.
zealous aspen
I might have found something that may work. How would I use VRCSDKBaseNetworking?
grand temple
there's a bunch of stuff in there, it's not just one thing
fallen prawn
Interract does (AFAIK) not work if you are pressing Play in the Unity editor.
@acoustic delta
I forgot that.
@fallen shore Use OnMouseDown() on play mode
zealous aspen
I need to get the networking object
acoustic delta
Interract works only in-game for both Desktop and VR. OnMouseDown works in-game only Desktop players and in Unity, not for VR.
fallen prawn
@acoustic delta W WHAT?! Work in desktop too 🤦
acoustic delta
Although notice there is a overlap if you are a desktop player in-game. If you use both Interract & OnMouseDown then it will fire twice for desktop users.
acoustic delta
OnMouseDown works in Unity, I've used it extensively.
fallen shore
no what i mean that somethings wrong with my nodes
bc the cube doesnt start rotating
grand temple
it might not be compiling. Try to add a new public variable and see if it shows up in the inspector
acoustic delta
@fallen prawn Yes, OnMouseDown works on Desktop in-game too. VR players will not be able to click it.
grand temple
if it doesn't, you can force it to compile by duplicating the script, compiling it, deleting the old one, and replacing it on the object with the new one
fallen shore
ah that worked
acoustic delta
If you want your script to work in all 3 modes, then you can use both OnMouseDown and Interract but make sure to check the player is in VR on the Interract node, that will fix so it doesn't fire twice yet still work for everyone.
acoustic delta
Interract -> if (isPlayerInVR) -> MyCustomEvent
OnMouseDown -> MyCustomEvent
MyCustomEvent -> your code here...
There is a node to check if they are in VR or not.
jagged crow
What's a good convention for a world's "main" udon script, attach it to the VRCWorld object or give it its own empty one?
grand temple
if it's something like set player mods, sure vrcworld is as good a place as any
acoustic delta
@fallen shore Sorry 
fallen prawn
@fallen shore Yes there are.
If you are beginner, you will get used to it ... or maybe you'll use language instead lol.
fallen shore
whats the node for that
fallen prawn
Check that user is in VR or Desktop.
jagged crow
VRCSDK3->VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi->IsUserInVR
acoustic delta
Yes!
jagged crow
oh you found it
fallen shore
oh i actually did it
jagged crow
haha
zealous aspen
Is there any way for me to get a time value that is the same for everyone?
acoustic delta
@fallen shore This is if you want to make a button:
Inside Unity the Interract event will not fire. Inside Unity you need to use OnMouseDown.
In-game for Desktop both Interract and OnMouseDown works.
In-game for VR only Interract works, as VR doesn't count as a mouse.
So, lets say you have some custom code you want to run, and you have created a custom event called DoorToggle. So how do you wire that up? If you make a SendCustomEvent node on the Interract, it will not work in Unity. If you make a SendCustomEvent on OnMouseDown, it will not work for VR players. And if you make a SendCustomEvent for both Interract and OnMouseDown, then for Desktop players in-game the door will toggle twice, as desktop users activate both Interract and OnMouseDown. This "overlap" is the problem.
This is why you need to wire it up as in your picture above.
fallen shore
im one step closer to making working vr book .-.
jagged crow
why do nodes that output a bool not automatically branch?
seems like an unnecessary extra node
acoustic delta
Nodes that output a bool are value nodes, and sometimes you don't want to "branch", sometimes you maybe want to do something with that value, such as storing it in a variable.
grand temple
because there are plenty of reasons to use a bool without a branch
jagged crow
ahh yea I guess if you're storing it or passing it elsewhere
zealous aspen
I have a timespan but I cant get miliseconds from that.
long sentinel
the joy of learning something new with other people
jagged crow
replace your custom function with something built in
just to make sure the logic is working properly
long sentinel
udon is amazing
long sentinel
same
fallen shore
hmm what you mean
acoustic delta
I can strongly recommend checking out UdonSharp, or "U#.
fallen shore
in unity the click works
jagged crow
yeah I'm probably going to use udonpie or udonsharp but figure its worth learning it vanilla first
fallen shore
but ingame interacting doesnt work
long sentinel
thought id understand the basics first
jagged crow
hmm
zealous aspen
I just discovered Udon# and it is so helpful
long sentinel
damn, i really should check it out
jagged crow
OH
fallen shore
do i have to drag the bool_
long sentinel
thought its just some side gimmick
jagged crow
I see what you did wrong
@fallen shore
you didn't take the output of the boolean
you took the arrow
which just goes to the next node afaik
fallen shore
uh where
zealous aspen
Its almost identical to programming with unity normally
jagged crow
from the "is player in vr" block
acoustic delta
U# is in a much more mature state than UdonPie, I have worked extensively with both. UdonPie has not been updated for over a month and many nodes will not work unless it is updated.
jagged crow
you want to take your noodle from the round node, not the arrow
that will let you pass that value to the next node
long sentinel
so you guys would vouch for u#
then ill check it out in a bit, im not a big fan of graphs and stuff
jagged crow
or wait, I think both yeah
acoustic delta
Yes, support is amazing, and almost daily updated.
jagged crow
the arrow tells the program to move to the next node, the bubble passes the value
what are the names for those btw
already forgot most of the udon terminology lol
jagged crow
also lol rip anyone trying to program udon whose first language is read right-to-left
gg no re
acoustic delta
The line showing where the program should move next is a "Flow" line, you can hear people say "Flow is not connected". The line passing the boolean value does not have a terminology AFAIK.
fallen shore
flint urchin
Not read everything, but is it not running?
fallen shore
wha
jagged crow
like do you get errors when you hit the play button in unity
fallen shore
flint urchin
Well, there you go
rotund needle
I get that error too. Probably unrelated
long sentinel
how can i use pickups and pickupuse? cant figure that one out
acoustic delta
How do you have two flow nodes going in the same SendCustomEvent node? Have I missed when that was implemented or is it a bug?
flint urchin
It was implemented a few updates ago yeah
acoustic delta
Ah, thanks
fallen shore
i wonder whats the issue
jagged crow
I'd say make a much simpler script just to get something to happen when you interact in vr
to help find the issue
floral dove
@long sentinel add a VRCPickup to an item, then you can use the OnPickup event nodes
fallen shore
thats what i did
i make cube rotate when i interact with it in vr
it should be simple
flint urchin
But it's not doing anything right?
floral dove
@fallen shore make sure the item with which you want to interact is on the Interact layer
fallen shore
and for some reason the only part that doesnt work is the vr part
flint urchin
Is the object a root object @fallen shore ?
fallen shore
interact layer?
flint urchin
Or is it a child object?
fallen shore
i just added cube to the scene
acoustic delta
I see the problem
fallen shore
thats all i know
fallen shore
and thn made the nodes in it
floral dove
@long sentinel not quite, the actual VRC Pickup component
flint urchin
The gameobject you have the UdonBehaviour on, is that root or child?
fallen shore
root
acoustic delta
@fallen shore In your IsUserInVR you need to feed a Player into the "Instance"
fallen shore
its not under anything
fallen shore
oh?
floral dove
@long sentinel it will add a Rigidbody and set the layer to Pickup
long sentinel
thanks i overlooked that completly
floral dove
@long sentinel yeah, I can see that it's a bit confusing. There are still some key components like Stations and Pickups
fallen shore
so the interaction is local ?
floral dove
yep!
long sentinel
thanks man!
floral dove
but only when you Build + Test
ionic pike
Just caught wind of U#. I'm already fairly familiar with C#, but have no clue how to even use U# with VRChat. For instance, accessing the VRC player API in code. I've zero interest in the node graph. Any documentation out there on this or am I on my own?
floral dove
@long sentinel it needs an Avatar to actually fire 'Interact'.
long sentinel
check out the unofficial api docu on github
fallen shore
how does one even make local and public interactions?
or i mean not that
i mean if i interact to make it spin only for me and not for everyone
and counterwise
acoustic delta
@ionic pike There is a U# discord, also GitHub contains lots of demos.
floral dove
@fallen shore anything you do will just be for you by default. You have to specifically turn on Sync to make it work for other people.
long sentinel
@floral dove just throwing this out there, but instantiating objects onplayerjoin
ionic pike
@acoustic delta I see the demos but none of them include accessing VRChat API stuff. That's what I need to know. 😛
long sentinel
this should work by my logic
does the gameobject need any component?
like an networkidentiy or sth
floral dove
@long sentinel it should work! But I think there's a bug where you can't get the clone out of VRC Instantiate right now.
Just found it troubleshooting with someone else tonight
acoustic delta
@ionic pike Here's the correct link https://github.com/Merlin-san/UdonSharp/tree/master/Assets/UdonSharp/Tests
floral dove
Also - VRCInstantiate doesn't work across the network yet so it's not super useful
floral dove
exactly 😄
fallen shore
im actually gonna flip
long sentinel
hopefully they add stuff often/continuously
fallen shore
it still doesnt do anything
floral dove
@long sentinel it is planned for sure...
fallen shore
how something this simple can fail
acoustic delta
Can you screenshot your graph please?
fallen shore
its the same but with the networking get local player
fallen shore
the hwat
flint urchin
Debug log node
serene moat
there are some examples of using PlayerApi in the examples folder for U# programs https://github.com/Merlin-san/UdonSharp/tree/master/Assets/UdonSharp/Examples/Utilities
flint urchin
then look in the output log
rotund needle
If you're trying to see if an event is firing, fire it into a Debug Log node
flint urchin
between stuff
fallen shore
but how can i see it since its in vr thing
rotund needle
Or yeah, in-line somewhere. Or at the end? Not sure how to see the log in VR though.
floral dove
You can write to a text field, that's what I do for a cheap in-game log
fallen shore
huh?
floral dove
the String.Format node helps greatly with doing that.
fallen shore
my brain
floral dove
@fallen shore take a look at the scene Assets/Udon/Examples/SyncUI
acoustic delta
You need to pipe something to print into the DebugLog
Right now you are jus doing Debug.Log()
floral dove
This is on the ButtonMaster object in the SyncUI scene. Shows you how to write to a text field at runtime so you can see Debug-type messages when you can't have your console up.
fallen shore
where does that text appear
acoustic delta
Debug Log appears in the Console and log file
long sentinel
momo sorry to annoy you one last time, but picking up and using items
i can pick it up, but can i thought i can THEN use it to eat it basically
is that possible?
or only use OR grab
floral dove
haha sure! You can grab and then use.
long sentinel
but how
fallen shore
my brain hurts so much rn
long sentinel
people are testing it right now, they cant :c
acoustic delta
You can find the log files at C:\Users\<USER>\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat. AppData is hidden by default, you can type %appdata% into file explorer which will put you into AppData\Roaming, go up one folder and then into LocalLow.
fallen shore
i wanna curl up in my bead and cry myself to sleep bc i dont understand whats going on anymore
long sentinel
^
floral dove
@long sentinel take a look at the MultiExample scene in Assets/Udon/Examples, specifically at the PickupCube. This has an Udon Graph on it called PickupAndUse that works ingame!
jagged crow
oh rip
long sentinel
alright, thanks ^^
jagged crow
x3
fallen shore
and i wanna smash my everything
long sentinel
there is no zoom in the graph tho right
fallen shore
i just want this simple thing to work
floral dove
@fallen shore I highly recommend you go through all the examples that come with Udon. The Readme in Assets/Udon/Examples explains all the demo scenes.
fallen shore
i mean if you guys cant figure it out how could i?
floral dove
@long sentinel sorry, no zoom. But we have some other things planned that will make zoom much less necessary.
jagged crow
are global custom events a thing?
jagged crow
like can I send an event from one object to another object
or would I have to change a flag in object a and have object b constantly checking for that flag
floral dove
@jagged crow sure thing - not global though, it's 1-to-1. Custom Events.
acoustic delta
Yes, you can pass a UdonBehaviour into the SendCustomEvent node. That will trigger a custom event in an another script.
fallen shore
this is the whole scene and nodes i have rn
floral dove
though CustomEvents don't yet support passing parameters, so you can only fire events
jagged crow
wtb params
acoustic delta
Make a UdonBehaviour public variable in script A, then in inspector assign that variable script B. If you then pipe that node into SendCustom event script A will execute the custom event in script B.
floral dove
@fallen shore that Cube needs to be on the Interact layer
zealous aspen
Again, is there any way for me to get the instance id or some unique number to that instance?
fallen shore
how did i do that
jagged crow
top right of the inspector pane
where it says layer default
I totally forgot about layers 🤦♂️
jagged crow
yee
floral dove
yes, Interactive
fallen shore
also jus for the future reference if i wanted it to be pickable with interaction does it go to pickup layer or interaction?
acoustic delta
I have never had to change the layer. I have default for everything.
floral dove
@fallen shore good q! Pickup layer should do it. Just add a VRC Pickup and the script will set that up for you, though.
floral dove
there is always that chance
fallen shore
it doesnt spin
floral dove
@acoustic delta oh really? I've been learning Udon as fast as I can and I could have sworn that changing the layer has been the thing to fix the issue for me more than once but...it could always be something else.
acoustic delta
Space, you can try after setting isRotating, print it out to see.
debugs debugs debugs log everywhere helps
fallen shore
um
but the thing is thats not failing
the interaction is
mouse click in unity works
acoustic delta
@floral dove Depends, I have not worked with Pickups so maybe it is neccesary for Pickups, but it should not be neccesary for buttons.
floral dove
@fallen shore that Debug.Log could could be unhappy about the blank object it's got
acoustic delta
Pipe a string into it and see if it gets printed in VR
floral dove
make a string const that says 'Interacted!' and pipe that into the 'object' on the Debug.Log
fallen shore
bc i have no idea
acoustic delta
Make a string node
floral dove
yep, gimme a sec
acoustic delta
Constant String with a value like "Hello world" and pipe/flow it into the Debug.Log node
acoustic delta
There is, under System > String > Constant
floral dove
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
You can actually copy-paste that string above into your Udon window, it will come out like the screenshot
jagged crow
ok why is this not working am I a dummy
fallen shore
so now that i have that setup what next
floral dove
can you screenshot your whole graph for me so I can see?
jagged crow
if @ me that is the whole graph
fallen shore
floral dove
sorry Shaun that was at Space (darn no threading in discord)
jagged crow
haha yee np
floral dove
ok cool @fallen shore - so do a Build and Test of that scene to see if that fixes Interact
because maybe the Debug.Log was choking on trying to log nothing
floral dove
oh wait a second @fallen shore - I'm sorry, I see it now. I was so focused on the Interact event I didn't look downstream. You can't have two flows go into one flow like you're doing into the SendCustomEvent node sending DoRotate
the UI should stop you from doing it but it doesn't yet.
fallen shore
i got told to set 2 differents for desktop and vr
floral dove
so you'll want to duplicate that event sender and do it separately
fallen shore
ohh
floral dove
that's not obvious at all, plenty of node languages let you do it
rotund needle
Yep, my Blueprint habits are killing me right now!
fallen shore
imagine then learnin how to keep your nodes not crossed and clean
thats something im gonna have alot trouble with
jagged crow
are there any examples of how to get jumping to work
I seem to be missing something and I can't figure out what
floral dove
@fallen shore it helps to break down your behaviours into smaller pieces sometimes so your graphs don't get too big
rotund needle
Shaun, I've done it exactly as you have ant it seems to work.
jagged crow
@.@
rotund needle
Added an empty game object, added Udon, added
floral dove
that's why I show how to use 3 different event senders to fire the same event receiver in the MultiExample
jagged crow
what object is your script in?
rotund needle
It's an empty object
rotund needle
I make one main empty object and load in the Scene description and basic setup Udon
fallen shore
i wonder what happens if i set the branch to false instead of true
wait
do i need to set instance?
jagged crow
no I think thats for sending the event to a different behavior
floral dove
@bright nova no, if you don't set instance, it defaults to itself which is fine for Gameobject and Transform
jagged crow
ffffffff
floral dove
@fallen shore copy-paste the program here so I can take a look. Just Select All (Ctrl-A) in the Udon graph then copy-paste.
long sentinel
pretty sure using objects you picked up doesnt work
fallen shore
AO1Z207kRhD9FeTnadTtviPxkIVNhDZ7ESzzkkWjvpTJZD02sj27S4Avy0M+Kb+QmiuzYwPOBhSUhEGofZ2uc06fqmr++O33q+STy6eQ7P10lWTTPH/jJniQDI8PTmNZHJSTSVkcFQ1UmQtQH81OvvwERXMMAcafoNodjU6giAfTuikn8yt44rJuYHLSVOPifHU0LMcxGSRT/LuXWAbOg5YksmiJCKkjNnMpEZwpKX2aOsHx5ouyHjfjskj2rpIvyR7hiu7SQXKJQ5Hi8GaQFGWE06PDGuef4BPJ2SDJ8vLz8tTZ4obhLMJ6HuK0GDeXb/0vEJrhIu6rZFzUjSsCHB0me7N31vOJLy8nyc3gWx5bRL27AGGwM6lDWeVjP9gZQlVjTPtil84+g52Dad5MK9gvYNpULh/svJv6fBxeweX78iMU+15rJ4NUzHIB1NjrWB6XjWsguTmbze1r1k4OX71wNbyB5nNZfcTvRoLOoRn9WAaXv8vdJVSj0e19OFqc/O5ivKaH0VTo1ETCbDBEaBqI00AJ4ES4D9JGbzvoMUyt6GGmRc/9zGxH8qJCaH9ezyimimdeO0JhNqNMBmKo5cQ5msqYchc06xIMXQuGs7QlGJoFRxnzxHIeiJDeEquZJFR5x0wabRblNd3S1ExmHgwi4RyBTGVEmJASa7QmMU0VcCqNkPPHHkF8d1O8SR2SfFSf1lAdFcPj1ZJ7UZY5uGINYp9wO0BUOl2BmBrTArGPWNog9iL0aRBcmNTc01xo1ugIJoHi8iIs4xLRQYi8RHSk1kHxlMdIfQc62tB70NmKuhcDDy2Np7XmXtJuw5CK9ULT7YX2vzMv4F9QceuzafA0eoEwC5Sc0oZY6yjJBPBoUVk2ZB1YSyXu8dltpBOacpFpYUlgkeFSc0CcQEZZSI1iLnUq8kdZav8IsCeY24auGjufw63T9Qm5DSyjZg0s71SxYZB5bh36lI5EgFL44qiI1zKLXOL6trFlds8cW60UBK5Qe2hIqELUo/doypkCCMJJpjz7xqXWkb6WVN2RonrNpUUcU2veUtFdF65/n4yaZSiPy833Lq/h+fncuJ4vR3zv35vbc8Xsuc7rKbgsyqLDVn/oslVHeSqBMZJJoYnw0hETcLFm4AErGMUFE135Sq4LSCMeSlf/CrNsJalNs8OyrLwYnRauunwD526G1FbFflcB3yf7dNVmt33ZfLhFQB9WnySn3VUlnV7EWapfRR00REtpJEE7jJobSUxUkfjU6izgx3Um8/kOwTKZt3L5VonEHM2iMUCkpxTrBSqIA5ESCSaaYIINEh6sy7da1l7vvL9lbXMFNkSrkCukDBsIbmdtE6dEM6wkuQxC0NButgL+gA9A8Fkxa200SgY7ncwyrWNA8Wj3RM1Wp4/0iaKrERWrNN/VYvwHbOR0FsLL4nxcwHsUW52V1QTdZFEaj0Ybl4cYZVnxVbuH88eSq6vd6yWNFhW3+3Bph6HPCy1pGLYyWHhT6rC3cR6Ip87g2zPpmZAgrHkiV/mmDLsB3u4SvcHO5smDsoLXZZzmcCsA2lcABZJ4ffUh+fIBvxsf+JBc4ojNR78uzt08Wo29KZPxBJYbgBHyxs2OR1+pYqPxR0VK5QnT1hDBLCOW+YxEn6lMI53Smy6/sqvk0s7tf23Lb3NWixz5GlEdXyCOXyXJpZq7pL0VUh8Ndu5l0Lt9pg9M1/RZbnjMwXlcH1P0riT+tnhdTms4LD/f1i/S+6gsVyQAS2dmkxLvIpoNh6iQJ3SfrvpF6nX9IuhDW2y9/rXQluLZzZ8=
jagged crow
oh god lol
long sentinel
rotund needle
Potato, I often test things by firing the 'start' node into them, just to make sure what I'm trying to trigger works. Not sure if you've confirmed that yet or not
fallen shore
nvm that doesnt owrk
jagged crow
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it works
the entire damn time there was a loose node sitting way off screen
somebody shoot me
rotund needle
Ha, yep. Little things like that make me crazy. What's worse is when you wreck your node graph trying to fix something, then find out it was something simple, but now it's broken 10 new ways.
floral dove
hm - @fallen shore yeah, something's wrong with this graph currently. It's not compiling for me.
jagged crow
do you need to do anything special to enable voice?
fallen shore
@floral dove would you be able to somehow rework it abit
floral dove
@fallen shore I'm giving it a shot!
fallen shore
i kinda still need it to be "that complicated" bc i have my goal to use it for in the end
floral dove
this graph isn't too complicated
floral dove
running a Build & Test now
ok - I've verified it works if I disconnect MouseDown for now and bypass the isUserInVR check. I'm now going to only fire it if it's false (since I'm testing it on Desktop), and leave MouseDown disconnected, since that would give us the firing-twice issue.
fallen shore
how do i launch test build in desktop btw
acoustic delta
You can use a flag --no-vr
fallen shore
ah
floral dove
ok, that didn't work, so our problem may be in the 'isUserInVRNode'. I'm going to add a World Space canvas and a UIText component so I can log the output of that call to the world.
fallen shore
hmm
jagged crow
ffffff I didnt even change anything in my behavior but I can hardly jump now
get like one inch off the ground lmao
fallen shore
hmm
jagged crow
aaand I just deleted the behavior and remade it exactly the same way and it works again
something's screwy here 
floral dove
@fallen shore ok wait a sec, maybe this is a bit overengineered. Why do we need onMouseDown and OnInteract?
because this simplified graph works great:
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
fallen shore
"simplified"
floral dove
fallen shore
i see more text
floral dove
oops, nevermind that rogue debug log in there. I was logging before
acoustic delta
Interact does not work in Unity editor, so you cannot preview it without opening VRChat.
fallen shore
so interact should work for all platforms?
acoustic delta
Interact works in-game.
floral dove
@acoustic delta true! But it seems like the issue is the IsUserInVR node. It doesn't seem to be working at the moment, at least in my fevered 1am test 😅
yeah, cutting out MouseDown for now solves your double-fire issue, but it does mean you'll need to Build & Test to see it working.
I'll do some more testing of the IsUserInVR node this week. If it's not behaving the way it should be, I'll file a bug and we'll get it fixed.
acoustic delta
You add it as a parameter in Steam
There is this fancy launch script you can use which will ask you every time if you want VR or not, but much easier to just add --no-vr to steam arguments.
floral dove
ooh that is fancy. I've always done it by just launching VRChat with my headset unplugged 😛
acoustic delta
AFAIK you also need --enable-debug-gui --enable-udon-debug-logging to see Udon logging in-game.
floral dove
but I use an Oculus Quest + link so that's probably simpler for my setup than many others
fallen shore
welp now this works
floral dove
yeah, it's a good idea to learn about steam arguments.
acoustic delta
I can't help with Oculus Quest
floral dove
@fallen shore glad to hear it!
oh btw @acoustic delta I remembered why I was thinking we needed the Layer set to Interactive. I believe that's needed for UI elements.
anyways, it's quite late for me in the PST so I'm off to bed! Good luck everyone.
long sentinel
how do I make text etc appear on a users screen in vr? it "works" in desktop mode but i think it breaks the vrc menu in desktop, couldnt interact with it
or is this not allowed / against the rules
zealous aspen
Is there any way for me to get the game object of the local player?
acoustic delta
@zealous aspen No, they want to keep that internal. We are limited to the available Player API functions to interact with the player.
zealous aspen
Alright
acoustic delta
What did you want the GameObject for? Maybe theres an API function that covers your need
zealous aspen
I wanted to make sure that I'm colliding with the localplayer and not another one of my colliders that are trying to see if theyre colliding with the local player so that it doesn't forkbomb, all while still having the colliders intersecting. They are on the PlayerLocal layer.
But I think I have it figured out
Actually that may not have been my issue in the first place
cerulean hare
Use mouse down insted of interact so you can click it in the editor @fallen shore @acoustic delta @floral dove
winter rapids
is this thing worth it if it meant older worlds being butchered the way they have?
zealous aspen
Umm ok I'm having a bit of issues with detecting the player
I need to detect a collision between the local player and a trigger box collider. How would I do this?
stuck mountain
@cerulean hare Don't do instead - if you have to, do mouse down in addition
Using mouse down is an accessibility issue for VR players or people using other types of controllers. Please don't do this.
Also, you can use a UI Button to call Interact() on your behavior
if you install Merlin's EasyEventEditor, it contains an Invoke button that you can use to manually click a UI Button from the inspector
and that can do an Interact event
cerulean hare
Its to test right away the interaction. Instead of waiting to load ingame
Change it after
zealous aspen
I'm also trying to create an interactable object in U#. Could someone tell me how I would go about doing this?
wet pumice
☝️ i would also like to know how i can do this. does somebody know how to do it?
long sentinel
no idea, im uploading right now then i can tell if it works
but just use override Interact() in the script and it should? be fine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
close
gives me the interact option but doesnt(?) run the script
also wish id knew how to change the "use" text
wet pumice
i was trying to override Interact method but doesnt even show up as interactable object in VRC 🤔
example script works fine though...
long sentinel
🤔
wet pumice
using UdonSharp;
using UnityEngine;
public class UdonBoxResetter : UdonSharpBehaviour
{
[SerializeField]
public UdonBox udonBox = null;
[SerializeField]
public Vector3 respawnPos = Vector3.zero;
[SerializeField]
public Quaternion respawnRot = Quaternion.identity;
public override void Interact()
{
udonBox.transform.SetPositionAndRotation(respawnPos, respawnRot);
}
}
```this should atleast show interaction highlight on VRC right...?Is sharp really usefull?
scarlet lake
These noodles dont tell me anything and nothing makes sense for me. How do you even create a button that could toggle things on and off?
cerulean hare
If you dont to learn now use sdk2
zenith hatch
Is it only for me, or GameObject SetActive even if have specified gameobject still changes to instance?
long sentinel
@wet pumice it should 🤔
cerulean hare
Wait for documentation
wet pumice
why doesnt it work then 🤔
long sentinel
try removing all unnecessary stuff, just keep the Interact() and see
wet pumice
is it just my issue with project setting...?
it worked with just empty public override void Interact() method
🤔
wet pumice
is that really it?
wet pumice
removed [SerializeField], still not working. ;w;
zenith hatch
@scarlet lake if you will know how to toggle things could you let me know?
scarlet lake
@zenith hatch Ive fixed all my issues with SDK3/Udon by not giving a fuck about it and using SDK2 that has simple way of making a toggle button.
long sentinel
cool
long sentinel
what other class
wet pumice
UdonBox
long sentinel
whats that
wet pumice
how do i get UdonSharpBehaviour classes is next problem ._.
heavy spindle
why do you need them?
wet pumice
so you can communicate each classes
heavy spindle
well depending on the way you want to communicate. if you just want to read a variable or something. that is easy but actually triggering functions still have no clue about that.
wet pumice
i cant have UdonSharpBehaviour extended class as variable. so i cant even read variables...
heavy spindle
this is the way you read variables of udonbehaviour's
this is the way i toggle something.
wet pumice
ohh
thank you so much for this information >_<
i think now i can do what i wanted to do!
fiery yoke
@long sentinel You can change the interaction text in the Debug Mode of the Inspector
long sentinel
i see, thanks^^
heavy spindle
ok found out how to trigger functions. i Thought i tried this before but it seems i didnt match the method name exactly thats why it wasnt activating.
short hedge
robust summit
What is the player name/tag or other identifier to be able to find it with GameObject.Find ?
fiery yoke
You cannot access the Player object. You can only interact with the Player via its API
robust summit
Ok ty. Is there documentation for player api that I can go thrugh?
fiery yoke
There currently isnt any documentation on the VRChat specific nodes afaik.
Just go through all the methods and...guess what they do lol
robust summit
Ok, will do that. Think I found what I needed in it.
meager dove
are old udon scripts meant to be supported in this release?
cedar cairn
Is there a way to reset objects all rotations and only y position on a pickup? Can udon help?
unreal glacier
Depends how old, there were a few breaking changes a while ago that require reupload @meager dove
meager dove
hmmm, they're pretty old, I guess I will have to remake them from scratch
narrow burrow
Is this just me or a known bug? (Public checkbox, synced etc. are just displayed as Bool)
fiery yoke
Thats a known bug. Copy Pasting the node will temporarily fix this. Will probably be patched sometime.
narrow burrow
Alright
meager dove
I'm getting this error when trying to compile a script
it seems to be caused by the second input in the vector subtraction node, disconnecting it makes it compile again
I'm guessing this is a bug?
scarlet lake
Hello! i want to start learning and coding my own experiments and minigames into this new amazing UDON world, how can i start into it?
rotund willow
@delicate hazel iirc you need to use the function in ui, "SendCustomEvent" I might be wrong though.
acoustic delta
@scarlet lake Can recommend first reading Tuppers Getting Started tutorial : https://ask.vrchat.com/t/getting-started-with-udon/80
robust summit
Anyone got a example for collison check with the player? Perferably in U#.
flint urchin
For people asking for Udon# stuff, it’s probably best to join the discord for it and ask there
gentle nova
is it possible with udon to trigger a ragdoll like the sdk2 combat system?
flint urchin
Not yet
green onyx
how do you do onTriggerEnter in UdonSharp?
foggy pawn
can someone explain to me how to fix the black bars on the left and right side of the screen?
delicate hazel
@rotund willow Cant find the function in UI. Becuase the scrpit not on the gameobject.
I try to use script AddListener but Udon cant compile.
rotund willow
@delicate hazel This
storm copper
im trying to make a public variable appear on the text but i have no idea how to do it
i want to make an count variable everytime i press the cube
gentle adder
I tried importing the SDK but ran into issues. I don't see the menu option for VRChat SDK and have a bunch of errors in the console
delicate hazel
@rotund willow I see .
gentle adder
rotund willow
@gentle adder Go to edit, then project settings, then under player, find this area and change the scripting version to .net 4,x
gentle adder
Ah okay thank you
rotund willow
@storm copper are they 2 different programs?
gentle adder
it wasn't written anywhere in the docs to do that
will I have to do this for every project I make?
rotund willow
I think it's because making a new 2018 project sets it to 4,x by default
I haven't had to do it for new projects but older ones
I think
rotund willow
player
gentle adder
thanks
rotund willow
it's on the left section
rotund willow
I don't use graph but I believe you have to use a GetProgramVariable for that
rotund willow
might be wrong but I think this is the node you need
gentle adder
Also, is the control panel not supposed to have any buttons for menus?
rotund willow
it should
rotund willow
that much I can't help with, sorry
rotund willow
np
gentle adder
weird... now it has a new picture as well xD but turns that deleting it and reimporting fixed it
acoustic delta
You can use the "UIText set Text" node to change it.
storm copper
still im having some problens to figure it out to appear on the cube
it is supposed to appear 30 instead of 1 whenever i click play
floral dove
@storm copper your UdonBehaviour needs a reference to your UIText objet. Check out the UIButton Master object and program in the SyncUI example scene that comes with Udon.
scarlet lake
Hey, i imported VRCSDK with UDON in my Unity 2018 but VRCSDK button is not appearing, do you know what can cause it?
Fixed, had to create a new project.
storm copper
@floral dove thanks
scarlet lake
I readed the guide of Udon, but is there any guide to start making your own worlds with UDON? coding with UDON guide or something like that?
floral dove
@scarlet lake there's also a readme in Assets/Udon/Examples/Readme.rtf that takes you through all the included example scenes. If you go through that, you should be well on your way to making your own interactive things!
delicate hazel
How can use local testing in PC
This sdk always start in VR mode.
@rotund willow I try it out. It seem like doesnt work.
floral dove
@delicate hazel there's a couple ways to do this. One of the easiest is - first launch VRChat directly from steam and choose Desktop mode. I think it will remember this next time its launched. However, sometimes having a VR headset active while running VRChat will cause issues with head orientation. I always unplug my headset while I'm testing things in Desktop mode.
vast nimbus
anyone how i can make a avatar pedestal on udon?
fiery yoke
@floral dove You actually unplug your HMD? If I would do that everytime I try to test a complex system, I would go mad xD
There is a VBS script (so windows only I think) that intercepts the VRChat Process and appends some arguments. It sounds shifty, but you can look at the code, and if you understand a bit of Windows vbs then you'll see that it's nothing crazy.
Heres the link: http://secondstrife.com/vrchat-vbs/