Hey.
#quest-general
cursive island
slate violet
for me it doesnt load anything
kindred crag
@brave island i had that like twice when i first got on after the update but it went away, i did notice that people mics are constantly breaking up now tho, not popping but actually just breaking up
fiery violet
Has anyone found any karaoke worlds that will load on the quest? The biggest one that claims to be quest comparable is actually over the 50 mb limit and should be removed from quest compatable and the other two I have found won't load for me.
Compatable*
kindred crag
Its sad, all the best pc/quest worlds are being updated to be pc only
fiery violet
I would be ok with that if they would give us quest only areas as well I'm sick of looking at robots with pictures on their chests
@kindred crag
azure mantle
compatible**
fiery violet
@azure mantle thank you!
kindred crag
I mean, it only takes like 3 minutes to make a pc avatar quest compatible, i really cant understand why people dont do it
Convert to android, remove audio sources, remove dynamic bones, change shaders and you're all done
jagged trench
good for you for having an avatar that's already at the right polygon count
plain flower
yeah, 3 seconds is a bit of an understatement. if your avatar isnt up to tri count, even trying to get it below <20k is a challenge that would probably take me an hour with my current experience and if i got 9 hours of sleep the night before
most vrc users either dont care about quest bros or just hate the quest / facebook and so just never see them or go out of their way to </3
but other than the tri count, everything else is an absolute breeze for anyone here looking to make crossplay avatars. its just that tri count thats a pain in the ass, everything else is pc optimizations (ex: atlasing) and stripping certain components (ex: dyn bones)
jagged trench
especially since most folks are using a stolen MMD avatars & don't know anything about dissolving Edge loops
not to say they aren't mmds with permissive licenses
plain flower
i just mass decimated mine cuz of an emergency, still have yet to learn proper retopology. but i will...eventually >u>
jagged trench
dissolving Edge Loops can get you a lot less messy and more clean topology
plain flower
tbf im not sure why i havent thought of that on the spot
then again, most of the topology i was working with was already shit to begin with
thats probably why...
jagged trench
wow then those we could probably be s*** models to begin with that wouldn't animate well in Mmd
plain flower
im guessing that a good part of the mmd community renders pictures rather than full videos
Which would explain why people are distributing assets that have topology that clearly wont deform well in animation
but with some clever posing and positioning, you can still get bomb-ass screenshots
which would also explain that one hoodie that had the topology of a fucking rock but was just passable as appearing like fabric from its silhouette
jagged trench
that's probably being insulting to rocks some of them can have much nicer topology
plain flower
im sorry people who make topology for rocks. ngl terrain topology is fucking cool and i used to do it a lot as a child for minecraft with a cracked copy of world machine. pls forgib me!
jagged trench
well you can be a lot more messy on rocks because Rocks Don't animate
did the jackets topology look something like this
obviously jacket shaped but just a mess of random triangles
barren mirage
retopoflow and 2.79. Maybe I need to write a tutorial
plain flower
@jagged trench it did. i know that's not necessarily bad but im guessing it could've been cleaner?
jagged trench
basically a random pile of triangles is terrible for animation
plain flower
yep. thats what i figured
jagged trench
you want things to be a nice straight line so they bend and fold nicely
haughty coyote
OMG
Naked people in VRCHAT
Gimme
What the hell naked people in vrchat
dms how do i report this
Idk just ignore it?
Sweet weebs are made of these
severe plank
Hi
haughty coyote
dude i am dude
haughty coyote
Oculus quest
chilly flower
just bought a quest today
any tips for someone who's new to vr and vrchat in general ? it seems there's a lot to understand with quest optimization
plain flower
do you plan on makimg avatars at some point? if not then for now just dont worry about it
D give moore tips but my brain is finally starting to die uvu
chilly flower
uwu get some rest
full halo
topaz pond
hi
woeful cypress
this is the oculus quest channel, not a place to also complain in with your rift s.
Thank you 🙂
amber junco
Watch more anime
warm crag
Watch
chilly flower
Anime
brave steppe
More
sweet fractal
can u play vr chat on mac?
warm crag
This is for quest stuff, but most likely yes
thorny hill
stoic osprey
so sad, had to get quest after pc couldn't handle rift S. cant see half of avatars anymore
unborn ivy
Do material changing animations work for the quest?
tawdry wyvern
Yeah
mint steeple
Yo, for some reason I can’t remove favorite avatars. Any ideas on how to fix this?
stuck echo
@mint steeple tried from PC?
mint steeple
I'll try
fervent helm
Hi
haughty coyote
hello
haughty coyote
ello
brave steppe
✍ thx tim
lavish ridge
My friend just got quest, does anyone know any good quest avatar worlds?
blazing roost
just search avatar in the search bar
subtle elbow
hi guys
subtle elbow
how's everyone doing?
lime cove
hi
fervent helm
hi
undone lake
Why is there so many people saying hi in the VRChat Quest channels?
Are they only here to the channel just to say hi and walk off?
haughty coyote
shit
covert iris
They need to make it so we can see pc avatars (๑╹ω╹๑ )
slate frost
@undone lake yes, same in russian channel lol
@covert iris this in their plans i heard
brave steppe
Thay say hi to get higher charisma level, and when they got enough they'll use it to conquer vrc, streamers 101
warm crag
AH
haughty coyote
is it possible for quest users to see pc avatars that go over the limit? i saw some people posting about it
they said they could "force" avatars to be shown by just doing "show avatar"
haughty coyote
any tutorial on how to do that? i wanna do it for a friend of mine whos on quest to see my stuff mayb
or just a pointer, idk what "android platform of unity" means
stuck echo
anyone tried streaming VRC to Quest? Any way of changing those weird controllers? Seems like it's trying to emulate Vive controllers rather than using Touch ones and this is weird since there is Touch controllers in the game. Tried some controllers binding from Steam but all of them are extremely weird, like you need to click the joystick to walk forward and I have no way of jumping 😦
tepid hawk
Any avatar (or world) uploaded to Quest can be uploaded either for PC or for Android. The Quest version of VR-Chat runs on Android.
So an avatar must have an android version of it uploaded or else it can't be seen no matter what it's performance ranking would be.
Same actually applies for Quest avatars that aren't uploaded for PC, even despite being trivial in terms of performance. The PC simply won't be able to read it.
pseudo token
@stuck echo That's the way I play. Depends on what program you're using you might have outdated version. I don't have any problems like that.
stuck echo
@pseudo token how do you jump?? I use ALVR and on RiftCat happens the same and it seems it does also VD
pseudo token
Weird. I never had controller issues on riftcat but alvr had controller issues for some time until it was updated. Did you try the latest alvr from github? https://github.com/JackD83/ALVR/releases
Cant remember how you could jump with the messed up controls
More things to try. Remove drivers for the programs, reinstall steamvr and try steamvr beta.
stuck echo
There is a thread about it on github for ALVR. I just tried RIftCat 10 minutes ago, same issue. Basically you need to click the sticks to rotate or walk so you can't click them to also jump and the rest of buttons does not makes you jump at all just like it happens with ALVR and VD. ALVR dev seems to have a workaround that worked untill VRC updated for Index controllers and the fix stopped working again. Since then, no other newer versions has been released and has been like 3 months already...
I may give a try to the experimental version
pseudo token
It seems like the experimental version is the new alvr for quest users and it is indeed much better. Mic support and fixed foveated rendering for less latency albeit a bit blurrier image when it is enabled.
regal niche
@stuck echo virtual desktop is the best way to play pc vrchat on quest. better quality, better controls(basically vrchat thinks you're using rift s)
pseudo token
Eh I'd say there is no significant difference in features and quality anymore for vr gaming purposes. The only real benefits of VD are ease of use and it is better if you want to work in vr.
haughty coyote
Hey there, I'm a new quest avatar poster but am in need of some help with current uploading of an avatar I downloaded with a minimal amount of polygons and textures, currently need advice on how I should edit the textures for colour types as well as adding them to the model in Blender. Anyone able to help a new uploader?
haughty coyote
currently I have all of these textures as PNGs, the blacked out ones are the ones that were in the package already, the white ones are the ones I had erased the black background from in photoshop
stuck echo
@regal niche I am locked with ALVR since I can't use Win10 due some work stuff and VD seems to not like Win7 😛
It's there anyone aknowledge enough regarding setting networks connections? I am having a hard time trying to setup two different routers to stream to Quest. I have two routers, both have 5Ghz but the Asus ones seems to perform quite well. I want to leave the main one for Internet and all kind of devices and the Asus as a secondary without Internet connection solely to stream from PC to Quest but I am not sure which would be the best way. I tried but my PC it's either connecting to one or the other (without Internet). My motherboard have two Iternet connectors so I guessed I could use both at same time. I changed the secondary router gateway to 192.168.2.1 while the main one for Internet remains default. Not sure if this is the right way of doing it :/
frank hinge
My boyfriends quest mic isnt picking up in vrchat, his voice isnt detecting and hes reinstalled and tried restarting and unplugging stuff
can someone help
tawdry swift
Is he using the built in mic?
heavy hollow
"and unplugging stuff" "quest" nani
dire wedge
hi
tawdry wyvern
that's not a quest-ion
stuck echo
@frank hinge does it works on different games like RecRoom?
dreamy grove
haughty coyote
So the quest @tawdry swift
The headphone jack is used for purely audio, it doesn’t work with a mic. So even if you use a headset or headphones. The mic will receive through the built in mic in the quest.
Also @frank hinge in order to fix this issue you have to reset the quest. If he ever joins a Oculus party on the quest that will bug out the mic on games as well. Any time you have issues with the quest not picking up your voice on VRC you have to reset the headset and try again.
tawdry swift
Why was i pinged?
haughty coyote
About the comment you had
It doesn’t matter if you have a separate mic plugged in. The quest isn’t compatible with other mics, so it always receives your voice through the built in mic.
tawdry swift
Oh right
haughty coyote
Yeye, some people don’t know that so I try and clarify
tawdry swift
The "purely for audio" bit confused me, audio is both input and output 😉
haughty coyote
Ik, I worded it wrong, I’m on the road right now moving to Florida 😆 so a bit tired
warm crag
I’ve noticed a glitch where it comes to height, sometimes when I switch to a room scale guardian and then activate standing mode, my head will be slightly higher than normal and my arms will be bent up when I put my controllers to my side. I can’t tell if this is a general Quest problem or a VRChat specific problem
haughty coyote
A common way to fix this @warm crag is by adjusting your player height. Or switching avatars when this occurs. That will recalibrate your head with your avatar
Worst case scenario, reset your floor level. But usually switching avatars works 9/10
tame sandal
I have a question, a friend wanted me to make him a quest world but since i dont have a quest i cant go in and check, and when i uploaded to my account and gave him the VRChat world link he cant go into the world either, even though he has a quest. is there any possible solution to this?
haughty coyote
Did you upload it to the quest build?
tame sandal
yes, i followed the instruction on the vrchat website, switched platform to androiad and im using the up to date unity and sdk
this is why im puzzled, i cant go in cuz i dont have a quest but neither can he even though he has a quest. the world is currently 1.73mb so im not sure if im doing anything wrong on my end
pseudo token
Tje height problem can bef fixed by just holding the right system menu button on quest. It recenters you.
warm crag
I’ve tried that and switching avatars but it still happens
heady dust
f
dreamy grove
Hello
warped verge
nani
barren mirage
just double checking my assumption, but there's no way to launch world-links on quest yet is there
azure mantle
Android does support protocol links. but I don't believe they're setup in VRChat's case. And I've never seen them used on Go, which uses the same base software. I don't even know if Oculus has support for it in their VR overlays for Android.
sand dock
Friends I have an question
Trying to log into this new account, but it just keeps saying "Invalid Username". I can sign in perfectly fine on the website though.
tawdry swift
Rule 15.
haughty coyote
hi
rotund haven
I kinda wish vrchat would have a bunch more favorite slots and somehow allow avatar creators to give someone an avatar, and instead of them having to favorite it, there could be a 'Custom Avatar' slot that you got that someone made for you.
warm crag
That’s so true
It sucks that you can only have 16 favorites and when you find a cool avatar you have to unfavorite a fav
patent junco
Do we have any Quest users on right now? I need to test a world.
Honestly, finding a Quest user is harder than finding a unicorn in VRC.
warm crag
Me but I can’t get on for a bit
sacred maple
@patent junco Check the Pug West -it's a quest go-to
I'd offer to grab mine, but I'm working
Both PC VR and Quest user.
patent junco
I'd feel kind of rude for asking people to test a world on Quest literally for the first time, there's a high chance they might encounter performance issues.
But I might do that.
sacred maple
I'd honestly think they'd be more interested than anything! Just give them the heads-up they need to tamper their performance expectations
VRChat and the community is defined by custom content, and seeing/using it
novel trail
Is In Vrchat have Server asia? because i can't join in Japanese Shrine server again 😦
hexed grail
Japanese Shrine isn't available publicly anymore but you can make instances with friends from the Vrchat website link. This was done cuz someone was using the world as background to sell a Vrchat visual novel.
steel bear
@patent junco I’m happy to test a world out and can bring some people along. Feel free to add myself... I’m a mute on vrc tho but can discuss in DMs at the same time.
I’ll be on in about 4 hours... if I’m in a private world I can’t join you as I’m meeting someone later. But I tend to world hop anyways
undone lake
So is the media player limitation thing permanent on Quest? Or is it temporary disabled due to an issue that needs to be sorted out?
I know cameras are temporary disabled on Quest because the developers need to figure out how to store up VRChat photos on the Quest headset.
But I'm wondering if the media player limitation is a permanent thing for VRChat on Quest.
weary wind
@undone lake
Video players are compatible on quest, the only game to have this working for quest is AltspaceVR witch i been told by alot of quest users, however thats the only pro to it on quest for quest users crash/disconnected 4-9 times more faster/often then in VRChat, they are not able to stay in AltspaceVR for more then 5-30mins, but the Video players do work for Quest but they take a bit longer to load and sync so its on a beta of things atm, but i do not know if the VRChat dev team are either wanting/trying to get video players to work or if they know about the Quest is able to use Video player yet or not 🤔
haughty coyote
I find there is not much to do on the quest for vrchat just a couple worlds and why is the box even popular?
warm crag
No idea
haughty coyote
How come I try to join a world it instantly sends me back to my home world?
steady ingot
haughty coyote
what is occulus quest?
patent junco
It's a mobile headset, but not like Google Cardboard or one of those Chinese boxes where you just insert your phone to have a highly basic VR experience.
It's an actual VR headset with its own hardware and stuff that lets you experience VR without using a PC.
Although it's not as powerful as the regular PC VR.
haughty coyote
ok, because when I was trying to get VRChat working on Linux, only "Quest" Avatars and Worlds would work with Steam ProtonPlay
patent junco
Quest runs on Android, and it requires certain limits to experience content within VRChat, so maybe that's related.
warm crag
@haughty coyote sometimes either a world is too large for you, or the server you try to join us full
haughty coyote
You can play PC VR on the quest AlVR I believe it’s called. Many many of my friends do it. You can see and go to any PC world or avatar, dynamics, shaders and everything. As long as your PC is VR ready.
The quest on its own is limited, but through this 3rd party program, you can stream VR chat and any other PC VR game at the same quality and performance as other PC VRs.
There are rumors that PC VR is going to be officially supported on the quest via some kind of software or hard ware. That will let you play wireless PC VR by streaming your computer to it
People already do it, but it’s through a separate program like I said, if I remember correctly it’s AlVR
Everyone looks smart in this chat maybe I'm in the wrong place
ebon minnow
Just FYI the program you are speaking about is called ALVR, I use it myself. My laptop is not VR ready, (I have a GTX 1050 instead of a 1050ti graphics card, that is the only aspect in which my specs are not good enough for VR) Despite this, using ALVR I can play in VR with my friends using PC avatars in PC worlds. Yes I do have to play at low frame rates, but it isn't as bad as it sounds. I really enjoy it and highly recommend ALVR to anyone who owns an oculus quest.
haughty coyote
^
past marsh
My pc has a GTX 750 and tbh, even with all the other specs good for vr and a 5Ghz wifi connection (my pc is not wired to the wifi though) it lags SOOOOO much for me, idk why... (I was thinking of buying Virtual Desktop adn hoping it would work better or installing ShadowPC
azure mantle
@past marsh @ebon minnow https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/189511567539306508/615183748736221187 follow this crap, especially setting the game to desktoplow if not already done. you will gain ultra frames
^ this goes to anyone else using their craputer to run alvr on quest to see pc stuff.
tawdry wyvern
when I set very poor on pc and you have all your fps and show one of the robot and drop down to 30 fps lol.
haughty coyote
How can I log into the vr chat website with my Oculus account?.
azure mantle
you cant
you need a vrchat account, you can merge your oculus account into a vrchat account
haughty coyote
How?
azure mantle
haughty coyote
nezuko nay naying
haughty coyote
@azure mantle do I keep the Avatar I made on my vr chat account?
haughty coyote
How do you get a link token? I'm on the webite @azure mantle
You need to log into your steam vrchat account, open the settings window, and press the upgrade button. Then it will give the code to link to your new vrchat account on the website
I logged in w/ oculus
Same then, just with the Oculus account
pseudo token
@past marsh @azure mantle I doubt the optimizations will be much better. I used to have 750 ti oc and even desktop mode was barely playable in a empty room with pretty much same optimizations. Now I have much better gpu, 1060 3gb and a decent, although below minimum spec cpu since it is dual core hyperthreaded. I can still be in a room of 15 or so people with decent avatars with decent framerate, around 50.
brave steppe
50 is extremely good with 15 people in the instance, how do you even achive that?
pseudo token
I dont use dynamic bones and I have cutdown on particles with the particle limiter system. Not sure if process lasso is making much difference in my case but worth mentioning it. It does help keeping system responsive while multitasking while working on stuff. I think I might be exaggerating on fps tho. Maybe closer to 40-45.
crimson current
Yeah, dynamic bones off, performance limiter on for anything worse than Poor, you should be able to achieve good frames with that
And by "good" I mean over 30, varies with the performance of your computer itself
(Also being in a performant world helps a lot)
haughty coyote
does anyone know a shader that is reccomended to use that will not throw an error
or are the Standard shadar, and unlit texture warning negligable
im about ready to publish a world
just want to clear up the shader issue
broken oyster
quest... (get rift instead)
haughty coyote
There's no need for that here. Quest is good in it's own right. Let people do as they please
yes i enjoy quest very much while i wait for christmas for my index
plain flower
questmas
haughty coyote
yus
plain flower
u< quest is rlly good, also @haughty coyote search by name for my tag in quest-avatars or optimization because i had the exact same issue, i had no idea how i resolved it but i mmight've mentioned it
haughty coyote
I like the quest
dim granite
Is anyone else having trouble logging in?
worldly rapids
The only thing I dislike about Quest is how the mic randomly goes out. I don't use Quest but see that happen quite often.
haughty coyote
Love how none of these updates affect me as a quest user it's real nice of them.
tawdry swift
Very selfish attitude.
heavy hollow
warm crag
Did the update make it so pc avatars have an error robot instead of the robot with the avatar picture on it
brave island
I've heard so much about a full body tracking thing coming out for quest later this year. I don't know if this is true or not because when I look it up it doesn't show up anywhere. Anyone know if this is true?
haughty coyote
@brave island maybe
azure mantle
That's not true
heavy hollow
brave steppe
Says the guy whitout pc in their name 
visual kernel
Ooooooooh
woven estuary
Is there something wrong with the quest version or is an update needed? Because before, i had PC players with pictures on the generic robot body, all gestures worked. But right now i only see the "error" models and not gestures from them at all. Quest users work flawless like always. Any idea?
ebon minnow
@woven estuary Not sure, had a quest user with the same problem asking me about it just yesterday. Hiding and unhiding avatars seems to solve it so just try that and see if it helps.
woven estuary
@ebon minnow thanks but always hide and unhide everyone in a room wasn't a game mechanic until yesterday 😅. Must be something about that update.
mint steeple
It's an update that came to the quest
Apparently you can only see errors instead of pictures now
which is BS if you ask me
how am i supposed to know when Elmo walks up to me?!?!?!
ebon minnow
Well damn 😕, i guess all you can do is wait for an update to sort it out then...
mint steeple
apparently there's gonna be a big update in december
I'm hoping for it to be something with Quest compatibility with avatars
ebon minnow
Doubt it, compat issues are due to limitations of the quest hardware, but lets hope so!
heady bridge
hi
sharp bay
@mint steeple They can't magically make PC avatars work on the quest, they have to be rebuilt from scratch in the SDK specifically for Android and uploaded. Given the incredibly low limits for Quest, making avatars "auto work" woudn't be an option anyway even if they could magically somehow cross-compile them for the different platform.
jagged trench
yeah most of the tools for making low-poly LOD automatically are more designed for like static objects not animated characters with blendshapes
pseudo token
The no pc avatars on android and vice verca is a price to pay for having so much freedom of creation. Most games just have premade parts. Idk about recroom though. I've seen a bit and it seems you can have the same custom worlds on every platform?
The game still runs like crap even though. It's too bad, it has cool games and stuff.
mint steeple
Sorry, was just speculating about the upcoming “big” update
sharp bay
I saw a Quest only avatar the other day, that's lazy though given that it doesn't require any changes to make "PC compatible" other than literally just uploading it.
One thing that doesn't help Quest users is that most people's avatar pictures are nonsense so you probably can't even tell what they are in the first place.
haughty coyote
Fight the PC users 😤
empty salmon
Hey, I've asked around some friends and gotten no reply. Is anyone else seeing PC users with error avatars on the latest quest version (build 860)?
It's basically made quest unplayable for me because every PC user has no IK
obsidian dust
Why do we need to fight PC users?
sharp bay
Well given that PC users are the ones making the avatars, that's probably not a good idea anyway.
empty salmon
has anyone here run vrchat on quest in the past few days?
I'm just asking for confirmation on the error avatar issue. it should be painfully obvious if it's happening
if it's not happening, I'd like some help in figuring what is wrong with my quest
woven estuary
@empty salmon don't worry we all got it
empty salmon
umm... what does that mean @woven estuary If you also have the problem can you please file a canny or vote on the canny
woven estuary
@empty salmon it's a known issue around every quest user I met so far.
empty salmon
Ok can you please vote on the canny that I posted
complaining and being silent isn't going to get the issue fixed
@mint steeple please vote on the canny
woven estuary
Ok
empty salmon
thanks 🙂
woven estuary
@empty salmon I did it. But don't worry so much, such an topic will be clear for the devs, I think they even know what they doing.
empty salmon
um... devs have left bugs unfixed for months because there wasn't a canny about it even though everyone knew about it and thought someone else reported it
sharp bay
"I think they even know what they doing." Hahahaha
Did you see how many open issues there are on the tracker right now?
empty salmon
yes, but not everything is a "bug" / regression like this
most things on the canny are feature requests or are longstanding issues that are not simple to fix
woven estuary
I have too much patience 😅 it's one of my problems.
empty salmon
you couldn't survive on a platform like vrchat without patience :-p
so the fact that you are still here is proof hehe
sharp bay
Just wait till you get banned for a false reason and then ignored by the mods, that'll try your patience.
empty salmon
the first ban isn't more than a month. just stick with it, find something new to do for a week to a month and you'll be fine. It's a test of patience
woven estuary
I got other things to do. Don't have too great friends i need to meet there. So i wouldn't mind. But can understand that it's unnecessary.
haughty coyote
I see error avatars now
empty salmon
@haughty coyote please upvote the canny. https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/860-quest-non-quest-avatars-no-longer-have-ik-and-show-as-error
The devs don't pay attention to discord so if we want it fixed ^
weary wind
@waxen pilot Test
weary wind
maybe it said that for you before you got the role? or something
waxen pilot
Ffs I hate discord
manic oracle
So who knows a lot about this cause I’m getting one for Christmas and I need to learn stuff
sharp bay
Depends what "this" is? (specifically)
limber niche
actually what is the recommended specifications for this game?
because with I7 core, 8GB RAM, sometimes the GTX950M VGA still feels lag.
sharp bay
On Quest? None, because it doesn't use a PC
limber niche
ahh .. but i use it on PC.
empty salmon
Huh? You use quest as a ALVR pc headset? In that case this isn't the right group because you aren't using the quest version of vrchat. But most computers should be fine: gtx 960 or better and i5 2500k or better (i used that cpu fine)
sharp bay
I had trouble maintaining decent rates with an i7-8700 and 980Ti so I'd be surprised with a 2500K and 960 but YMMV
empty salmon
I didn't say it would work well, guess I didn't understand the question. I was thrown off by this being in the quest group
and it occurs to me most of my testing with this CPU wasn't playing vrchat. I was trying some less intensive VR games
sharp bay
Yeah, VRC is obscenely CPU intensive
full needle
Guys help, I run vrchat and there is no sound, what to do? -_-
warm crag
M
sleek pine
After updates in the past two or three weeks almost all avatars say "error" now, even on quest compatible ones. Does anyone know how to fix or is this just something everyone has until the devs fix?
tawdry wyvern
Reupload
sleek pine
?
empty salmon
@sleek pine please upvote the canny. https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/860-quest-non-quest-avatars-no-longer-have-ik-and-show-as-error
The devs don't pay attention to discord so if we want it fixed you need to use canny! Thanks~
sleek pine
Oof
empty salmon
are you 100% sure those are quest compatible... can you try clearing your cache
sleek pine
Alright
empty salmon
Settings -> Advanced Settings -> Clear Downloaded Content Cache
sleek pine
I’ll try that and upvote the issue
empty salmon
your quest might be out of storage space
but yea all pc avas say error now instead of PC so it's hard to tell if it's not that problem
sleek pine
It’s mostly pc peeps but some quest avatars too
And also when you say it’s out of space does vrchat have a limited cache size
Because I have 128 quest that’s definitely not full
empty salmon
ok just checking. I meant your whole quest
sleek pine
ah ok
empty salmon
if you have space, only guess is you're hitting the PC avatar issue or you somehow had some corrupt cache and clearing it should fix
try the Virtual Market world. I only saw one avatar there that didn't load on quest...like 99% of them should work
it's the second row of the Worlds menu now
warm crag
What’s the Virtual Market
empty salmon
it's a japanese marketplace hosted by Booth
It has tons of beautiful worlds for PC, and it's running this weekend only!
and it has one world for Quest which is a lot more content than I was expecting to be honest.
the models aren't cheap either - many of them cost upwards of 3000 yen ($30) or more
but many of them come with outfits and you usually get the unity and fbx files so you can customize them etc
empty salmon
yes, but you get the files to upload on your own account
you can switch to them for free and try them all. it's a lot of fun
but to actually keep them and use on your account is what costs
jaunty cliff
So I can get the files
warm crag
Oh cool well looks@like I’m never going there cause I can’t pay for an avatar they probably don’t have
empty salmon
you can still have fun the next couple days. It's like going to a clothing store and trying on all the outfits for free. no obligation and you can walk out for free
jaunty cliff
But wont it cost me to do that
upbeat shard
Are there many skins you can use in vr chat oculus quest can I see some pictures of some good skins
sharp bay
I've been told that unless you get a massive storm of people go to your world in the first day or two, it'll never leave Community Labs either, which in turn also means people wont find it, so that in itself is a vicious cycle.
snow bone
is the game down?
sharp bay
Mostly, yes. DDoS.
haughty coyote
Kinky
tawdry swift
Agreed.
tiny ember
What games can I play on vrchat that’s available on quest?
tawdry swift
rule 15
manic oracle
If one of u knows a lot about quest be msg me I wanna learn how to do certain things before I get it
tawdry swift
Like what?
weary wind
@manic oracle i can dm you what i got form testing
manic oracle
Well like where I should look for models and how do I get them on quest and such
tawdry swift
Avatar worlds.
manic oracle
Mostly that honestly cause I’m there is a WEBSITE for pc models
And that’s sad xD I can’t get certain models now
tawdry swift
Making your own is a different beast and learning to optimise is an entirely different one too
gusty fossil
You can learn to do both at the same time lol
tawdry swift
Tell that to 99% of vrc :)
manic oracle
Welp I guess I will figure out how/where to ask someone if they got any certain avatars in there worlds
tawdry swift
Thats usually how it goes
manic oracle
One I want but I know no one has is Enid from ok ko
weary wind
I make worlds and avatars for crossplay so ye
tawdry swift
Same!
manic oracle
I just loves lots of characters from shows and games and such and I wanna be there model mostly Enid tho
sharp bay
I mean technically websites don't have PC models, they just have "models". You have to work on them to make them actually work in VRChat on PC or Quest.
weary wind
Aka upload the model using the Android build so its Quest compatible
sharp bay
Basically. After spending 20 hours trying to make it not look like ass within the Quest limitations.
tawdry swift
Or design your characters/environments to fit within the limits of both 😄
weary wind
you dont ~have~ to do the limitations they are their for ranking of avatar the only limit really is the 10mb file limit, if its just a skin (polygons and textures) the only ~real~ limit is the 10Mb limit
tawdry swift
yeah but you should because otherwise youre a butthole.
warm crag
No u
sharp bay
But if your avatar is below Poor rated, people will have to manually show you, which isn't ideal.
warm crag
True
tawdry swift
(also makes you a butthole)
weary wind
well if its below poor and they dont wanna manually show me then i have 2 things
- Tell the devs to make the limit on quest show Poor and lower
or - Dont be lazy 👌
tawdry swift
The limitations are enough.
warm crag
weary wind
People are Lazy to make crossplay avatars/worlds
People are Lazy to show people indusial
People are Lazy to test the quest's Real Limits and understand what really is and is not compatible.
sharp bay
It's nothing about being lazy
warm crag
@weary wind can you explain why some “quest” avatars become errors
sharp bay
Trying to bring down PC avatars to Quest limits is sometimes virtually impossible
Also the amount of time it takes for something that doesn't in any way benefit myself or my friends...
tawdry swift
It absolutely is laziness - you can always learn a new skill to make an avatar optimised enough, retopo, manual decimation etc
sharp bay
That's not laziness.
tawdry swift
He says "its not about laziness" then defends the argument by saying its not worth the time and effort, tell me thats not synonymous with laziness lmao.
sharp bay
Doing something that requires a massive amount of time and effort for reasons that don't matter to you at all is not laziness, that's not what that means.
sharp bay
That would imply you could do something, but don't "just because". Expending large amounts of time doing something you really don't need is not laziness.
Ok, how about you make me a proper, customer avatar from scratch?
weary wind
Error avatars are failed or corrupt uploads that need to be reuploaded or uploaded with different ID and or Project @warm crag
sharp bay
btw, if you say no, you're just lazy. By your logic.
tawdry swift
Ok ill say yes then, if you dont pay me, you're too lazy to make the money 😉
You can use any of my free public avatars though (all optimised for the quest) some of them are in the public avatar list too, just so you can find them easier!! 😜
sharp bay
No no, money doesn't come into it, you just have to do it for free, come on, don't be lazy
tawdry swift
You're injecting your own bias into my logic, i never excluded money 🙂
sharp bay
So are the Quest users all going to pay me for spending hours and hours making these avatars quest compatible then?
tawdry swift
Maybe if you ask them nicely?
weary wind
If we did model making for free all the time it cost time to make the avatar and if no one uses the avatar its wasted time
tawdry swift
Like you're getting upset about me using the word lazy in its literal definition - i never said it was a bad thing, just talking objectively.
sharp bay
Lazy implies negativity
tawdry swift
Nope!
adjective 1. unwilling to work or use energy.
Im as lazy as they come my friend, but i still find the time to optimise my content. 😔
I get that its different optimising someone elses content and i see how that can be a pain in the ass.
sharp bay
I've already spent more time making avatars than actually playing VRC, trying to make them compatible with the shitbox that is the quest and making avatars for friends. I just take offence to being called lazy after expending what is likely over 100 hours doing this shit so far.
tawdry swift
Well dont take offence to it then! 😅
sharp bay
Spending all that fucking time and effort, then being called lazy. Wow. Just makes me think what even is the point. Wow, you only spend 120 hours making shit for this game? SO LAZY
tawdry swift
You seem unnecessarily upset.
weary wind
🍿 this is turning into a "I'm the victim" related now
sharp bay
That's my secret, I'm always upset.
But seriously, it just hit a note after spending all that time and effort doing something I didn't need to in the first place and it being dismissed as lazy still.
tawdry swift
Imagine how it feels after doing it and having quest users tell you you're lazy, in your own worlds, that they are playing 😅
weary wind
I do lots of Test with fellow Quest users, in one of my tests i was in a 5 Million Polygon avatar and asked them what they see and how things are like fps and stuff they could see it and only lost 5-10 FPS while looking at me, as a game developer you must test your limits of what you're working with to know how to optimize it, witch is what i do to find out things about the Quest Like Quest can not load TGA or DDS Textures,
so the quest has more able then what is said but to do a lack of tests form people the information is not shared
in 2017 the Poly cap was 10-20K for pc now its 70K whos to say the cap and other limits the quest currently has won't follow suit?
tawdry swift
They might but they arent right now, and the limits are currently fine, 5 million polygons is absurd even for a pc character.
how many people used the 5mill avatar?
also what materials
and shaders
weary wind
i had 5 quest users and it had 1 mat i legit went into blender and used a sphere and subdevide it to it was 5 million then uploaded it at was
I have a discord for Quest users to connect to each other talk and play with one another, but also i'd ask them to help me test something for the quest to get feedback to understand it better and sometimes they tell me things they found in other games like AltspaceVR has Working Video players for quest but the game is 10x more dissconecting/crashy for them so i know that Video players work but i wounder how they got it to work so i'd test alot of stuff to try to see how it works if im able if im not then oh well ill wait untill more stuff is added to sdk/unity to test things
thats how i found out about hte TGA and DDS textures are not compatible on quest and other things @tawdry swift
lusty quiver
quit righting books
tawdry swift
I mean tga and dds not being compatible is pretty standard on mobile
@lusty quiver Stop reading them
sharp bay
I was randomly dropped back to my home a few times when using the Quest with no explanation why
No idea what that's all about
tawdry swift
Failed to load something, usually.
sharp bay
I'd have been stood talking to people in a world for 10 minutes or so then blam, sent back to home.
tawdry swift
Likely an avatar then.
weary wind
^ that or the DDoS / Connection issue also ❤
sharp bay
I don't mean recently, I mean when I tried in the past
sharp bay
"Them" as in a reference to multiple objects.
weary wind
🍿 heh well if anyone on quest is here im making 51 avatars crossplay and im going to try to get them to be Excellent status if i cant becuse they end up to blocky or make the textures horrific then yea, but yeah expect to see some avatars soon ❤
sharp bay
The lack of dynamic bones is a killer for me, but even on PC it's restricted to 32 by default. Static/solid avatars is surprisingly immersion breaking in VR.
weary wind
Dynamic bones 
sharp bay
And the natural texture/mesh thing is limited to 225 tris which basically means you can use it for one tiny thing at most.
What's wrong with dynamic bones?
weary wind
Dynamic bones heh, laggy add-ons, over used in everything a model has, everyone puts dynamic bones on any part of hair and outfit just to look nicer yet complain something is demanding and eating their fps not knowing or knowing its their dynamic bones of 300+
sharp bay
I noticed literally zero performance difference when turning off the limiter and setting it very slow, so I think that's probably somewhat overstated. But yeah, I'll take a lower framerate over PS1 graphics to be honest. A static, unmoving world is horrible in VR.
weary wind
Dynamic bone = Cpu 100%
People " This is fine
"
sharp bay
(although this is the Quest channel so I'm not sure if many people here have experienced that anyway). It's one of the most unnerving things when using the Quest really.
I don't see CPU spikes like that, not unless something's gone horribly wrong in a world.
weary wind
mm you must not have friends who use Dynmic bones then, all the friends i got have 200-600 Dynmic bone roots
anyways in terms of quest it would drain their Power for Cpu uses Power and Dynmic bones are CPU intanceive
sharp bay
True, Shame there isn't a more performant option.
I have the dynamic bone limiter on, but I upped it to 96 which seems like a more fair level. 32 felt very low, 96 is accommodating without allowing the people with insane avatars.
empty salmon
I thought there are no dynamin bones or cloth on quest...?
sharp bay
There isn't, it's just a discussion about options in general.
Given that both options are highly intensive, I wonder if there will be a quest compatible "movement" system in future...
empty salmon
I see. I will say I've seen some vket avatars make good use of gestures and animations to make the ears and tail feel dynamic
sharp bay
I've been doing that myself lately when I hit the 32 cap, but the repetition becomes obvious after more than a few seconds. Also the quest only allows a single animator doesn't it? (further limiting that option too...)
empty salmon
are rigid bodies or final ik allowed on quest? I'd expect someone to build something with joints, etc.
yeah the booth model did the trick to cause slow gestures by using the wrong length I think
warm crag
P
west goblet
henlo fellow quest users
mint steeple
Hello, for some reason my quest is stuck on the loading screen in VRCHAT
I can’t get past the login
haughty coyote
The server is having technical problems right now
haughty coyote
It's been going on all day unfortunately
mint steeple
Understandable
west robin
You may end up having to wait until tomorrow
simple light
I thought it was fixed because after waiting an hour since it was reported, it worked fine
median vigil
DOSsing stops when the scripters get tired
rocky lion
which will be soon
simple light
hopefully
rocky lion
maybe a computer nerd just needs to work there magic against the ddosers
jaunty palm
I have been crashing like crazy yesterday, I hope it will stop soon
simple light
It was better when i tried it earlier (2am)
jaunty palm
Nice
simple light
Seems to be better now
jaunty palm
Well some people have school or work
rocky lion
?
warm crag
8675309
sharp bay
@obtuse spindle Have you just posted that in every single channel?
simple light
why tho
pearl garden
Do you even know what it say on it
warm crag
Are servers back?
warm crag
Good
terse finch
@stoic idol [edit] apologies. Taken care of
restive bone
Please don’t ask the mods to take specific action like that.
tawdry swift
It was entirely a joke, but for sure.
restive bone
Thanks, and I understand. We appreciate the signals for when stuff needs attention 👍.
And I appreciate how frustrating it might be sometimes.
tawdry swift
People spamming is par for the course at this point 😛
earnest birch
🍆
honest ermine
fast hazel
warm crag
Penguin
slow jackal
New to this😊
unique sundial
Same!!!!
Looking for friends. :) It's hard for me to find quest people when I'm just out and about
sly bridge
:0 well welcome to vr chat if you would like to add me as a friend add me at ourchurro and I’ll show you around and lll Introduce you to my group of friends
unique sundial
Thank you so much!!!!!
@sly bridge I'm currently at work, but I can send a request when I get home in about 2.75 hrs
sly bridge
You’re welcome! And alright!
cloud hemlock
Hello
subtle shell
hihi
warm crag
H
near bane
Hi
silk jasper
that means the rift s is useless now??
barren mirage
well they better drop the price, that's all I'm saying
polar flicker
This doesn't make Rift S useless but it now has nothing going for it. Quest was from the start a better headset and the only advantage the Rift S had over it was ability to play PC games and having one extra camera. They won't sell any Rift S if the price is the same as Quest.
barren mirage
yeah, they'll have to drop to 200$
but that's GREAT. That means SO many people will get headsets
plus, we'll probably get finger tracking in vrchat
so that's cool
both htc and oculus and valve all have hand skeletal interoperability now, via cameras
polar flicker
If they drop the price that is. They may not be interested in selling Rift S at all, they even give its design to Lenovo
woeful cypress
wired with cable and not a wireles hack? That's a real game changer 😮
polar flicker
Yeah, wish I had Quest now
polar flicker
It's just using Quest as monitor so to say. All the calculations are being done by cpu&gpu inside a PC and Quest does only encoding I think?
sharp bay
It'll be interesting to see how they're going to do it, because you can't really just pipe video out from a discreet GPU over the USB-C port.
woeful cypress
well usb C has video pins
you might alwell have a Y merge cable spliting to HDMI/DP and a USB plug, or an actual virtual link capable GPU or Laptop with a Video capable C port
or it's done as a data stream in software
insted of an actual natural video stream
barren mirage
it'll offload some of the work to the quest
woeful cypress
which sounds more like it, considering the hardware would need to have the C beeing input capable
barren mirage
so, there's a really good chance that it'll perform better than most headsets
woeful cypress
i'd expect something like the hacked vr solutions
plain flower
@sly bridge plug in usbc cable to a pcvr ready pc, congratz! Ur quest is now both a mobile headset and pcvr headset
woeful cypress
but insted of streaming over wifi data goes via USB so more reliable and more bandwith
barren mirage
if they do spacewarp on the headset instead of the pc
plain flower
In other words, the only people who have better are index users now >u>
barren mirage
it'll make the requirements really low
plain flower
exaggeratingbut still this is so cool
barren mirage
it's obvious that facebook's vrchat clone is a response to the metrics they get from vrchat
it's by far the largest vr app
sly bridge
@plain flower thank you for explaining :0!!!
haughty coyote
Quest is adding PCVR compatibility in November
You will now be able to play PCVR with a quest. Just as easy as with rift s
They are also adding Hand and finger tracking to the quest-
jagged trench
haughty coyote
Owo
median vigil
Wow
jagged trench
so yeah a lot more finger-wagging from the quest users next year
sharp bay
Probably not, the majority claimed they bought the headsets because they didn't have suitable PCs, so they'll be in their isolated worlds.
jagged trench
I was more referring to the finger tracking
sharp bay
That's what I meant, most people still won't see the Quest users in VR chat waving their fingers because they still won't see them. But I guess they'll be waving them at each other.
But on the other hand, you can't use finger tracking AND the controllers, so it'll have the same issue LeapMotion had
jagged trench
I suppose we'll have to see once the SDK comes out if you can't use both
obsidian dust
I'm skeptical it will work well.
jagged trench
the finger Trucking or the quest link
sharp bay
I mean you literally can't use both, it can't see your fingers if you're holding a controller 😛 I guess you could do one hand with a controller and one without though
undone lake
Hand tracking boys!!!
tawdry swift
Hand tracking has been around for awhile, you mean finger tracking 😉
tawdry swift
Elaborate??
undone lake
Nope.
Find out for yourself as Oculus posted a video about it on their YouTube channel!
tawdry swift
Cheers. 😅
sharp bay
Not till next year at least though, just FYI
tawdry swift
Yeah, i saw this - finger tracking 😜
jagged trench
tawdry swift
I wonder if it will make its way to S
jagged trench
we'll have to see
sharp bay
Good question actually
Unless they intend to use the onboard functionality of the Quest in which case maybe not.
jagged trench
and also the question of original riffs not being able to support that
so that would introduce software disparity in riffs titles
sharp bay
Technically adding it to the Quest and making the Quest PC compatible already creates that disparity.
jagged trench
they could just disable the hand tracking when using PC
tawdry swift
Feels wasted then, eh?
jagged trench
no since it still be used on the quest stuff
for a lot of folks connecting to the PC is a nice extra I'm guessing
undone lake
Now, if only VRChat can add finger tracking to Quest version of the game. (As long as they find a way to have users open up the menu and walk around in the game)
tawdry swift
Thats a design challenge for every company now.
Where do you go from full input to null input
undone lake
So you're saying that developers won't add this for some odd reason?
tawdry swift
Uh.. no lmao
warm crag
It requires a pc that can run a rift to use the link right
tawdry swift
I said "thats a design challenge"
warm crag
Because the reason I bought the quest was cause my pc can’t run basic be
tawdry swift
dont hit me with the "so you're saying" bs haha 😅
You dont have to use the pc connection thing, its just an extra feature @warm crag
warm crag
I know
jagged trench
basically the problem is you can't really move without some sort of buttons
warm crag
But I still want to be able to use Pavlov and other games not on the quest
tawdry swift
Well you can, within your playspace?
Maybe have it like a ddr mat, stepping forwards makes you walk forwards, with some kind of visual indication on the floor
Its interesting to think about for sure.
cold epoch
Guys what are the limitations of controls tracking in the Oculus quest like can it track my contrôler if I put it behind me? Or behind my head
haughty coyote
To a degree. You can reach behind you, grab things, pass things behind your back. But if you hold your controllers outside the camera range for too long, then they will lock in place and then snap back when the camera sees them. The controllers do most of the tracking themselves with internal sensors, and the cameras help keep it all calibrated. It sounds bad on paper, but in real world use it's really good
cold epoch
So they are using accelerometer to approximately position
Same technique that intel uses in their drone cameras to know their position in 3D
Tho they have actual cameras in there
Unlike the controllers
haughty coyote
Yeah. The rifts and quest controllers are more accurate than other inside out tracking headsets
cold epoch
The quest just got pc support
Might wait for the quest pro to arrive
With better hardware and pc support
obsidian dust
Me too. If it's like smart phones, every two years it's time for a new one. So spring 2021.
cold epoch
Oculus just needs a full body tracking option and it will be perfect
I hope their real finger tracking works well
Cuz the quest can really see super far
obsidian dust
I don't think either will work that well.
Like how in the world is a single sensor going to do full body when it can't see through you.
haughty coyote
You guys know how to publish avatars and worlds to quest?
cold epoch
Well the base station can be an option
obsidian dust
I did an cross play avatar today. Found a 0 dollar one at the market 3.
Just gotta switch Unity to the mobile version.
There is instructions on vrchat website.
weary wind
@obsidian dust are you trying to know how to upload something to the Quest?
chilly flower
tawdry swift
i dont imagine the people who dislike quest are going to be very happy about this hehe
salt in the wound 😉
jagged trench
yes kind of get the impression they shouldn't have even released the rift s if they were just going to patching Quest headsets being usable on PC
jagged trench
November for the patch to use the quest on PC
median vigil
So imagine they couldn’t pull off the severe magic they just announced?
Er, original dates for each
May 22 for quest - always to be called Questmas :)
I have both, so is good but ...
If I can has both? Whoa.
So I’m going to guess the Quest can act like hdmi 2.0 monitors?
median vigil
Well... usb-c conflates things...
For example, I run my rift-s over usb-c on a laptop
Now, I’m no PC guy but that is supposedly 4 lines of pcie bus off a chonky graphics card via thunderbolt?/displayport to usb-c to adapter and voila - glory
Oculus could probably do a custom data driver - quest is likely fast enough to be a good monitor without thunderbolt. Though if they did that. My ghods.
I’m so excited either way.
I feel more bad for vive (not really)
jagged trench
now to see if Oculus Horizons ends up with more users than vrchat when it comes out
chilly flower
lol doubt it, looks like soccer mom's vr
jagged trench
well they are a lot of soccer moms
getting 10000 users concurrently would out perform us
and also it's not like they're going to be showing off everything you can do with the tools in the first trailer
yes and it makes good Financial sense to be targeting normies
as the ideas to keep your eyeballs on Facebook longer so that you can gather more data and ads
jagged trench
I was just low-balling
median vigil
Snerk we’ll only here a short time but I’m zooming along I guess it’s self selecting
jagged trench
even though it's probably going to be higher than that considering they can throw their 800 lb gorilla powers on it and do stupid amounts of money into the problem
median vigil
That 16 avatar limit made me spend $$$$ so I can do more 🙂
A gorilla with lipstick
Rawr?
jagged trench
you have a very pretty gorilla where they can just buy all the 3D artist they want to make nice Maps
or do nasty things like ban vrchat from ever being mentioned on Facebook & Instagram
median vigil
Bad bad gorilla
jagged trench
why do you think they're being looked into by antitrust regulation
median vigil
Course that just make good artists get living wage
jagged trench
median vigil
Uh because our govt isn’t getting their bribes e4 taxes e4 oversight?
When the govt wants a piece of the action they call it justice :p
I’m a small humanoid for smaller govt.
jagged trench
so how is it like working for the government
median vigil
What do you call a power structure backed by lethal violence that takes at least 1/3 of your income without benefits? The IRS.
At least in Denmark, you get cookies 🙂 is joke! Cookies are barter 🙂
Earlier: typo auto correct - I’m for small govt and smart people making cool tech without govt oversight
I see 99% of pownticians like my uncle: old, don’t get tech, but still want to run things, but don’t want to work, and have opinions.
That’s about as political as I get these days. Don’t be like Uncle.
obsidian dust
Wait. They don't have feet on their avatars?
obsidian dust
That's bizarre.
jagged trench
no tracking on the legs so might as well. not Have them is probably their thought process
as that's pretty, not to have legs or arms and social World outside of the ones that go for a realistic models or just upload whatever Unity models
median vigil
Feet. Bah. Gods little oversight.
obsidian dust
Well that's definitely not pushing the boundaries of vr.
Looks like a Wii sports game.
Doesn't look like their fbt sensor is ready at all and this confirms it.
jagged trench
well it needs to run on the current Quest
just a reminder of what wii Sports looks like
Xbox avatars are probably a closer match
obsidian dust
Yes. I know what Wii sports looks like.
jagged trench
but yeah they're not going for realistic or stolen anime avatars
but there is certainly more detailed then Nintendo Mii use as it appears they're actually using blend shapes for animations
slow jackal
New to this, thanks to my quest so I'm slowly learning😂❤
jagged trench
no problem that
warm mountain
Yooo hoping vrchat devs implement finger tracking
Holy moly that came out of left field
jagged trench
I'd imagine valve at the moment looking quite nervous
and probably several social VR companies
warm mountain
Like, the index has higher specs
But now the quest is kind of just the best vr headset
If eventually they let devs use finger tracking on rift s and oculus link it would be a game changer
haughty coyote
Can yall give me a dead by daylight demogorgen avatar for quest please text me back
jagged trench
do the work yourself
jagged trench
so no avatar for you then
sharp bay
Hmm, plus humans only. No interest in being an XBox avatar.
jagged trench
yeah but they're probably more interested your mom to play
warm mountain
There's so many people without computers
Bruh, they're like, necessary now
If you don't own a pc and you have a quest, your priorities aren't in order
jagged trench
I can think of plenty of reasons why if your daily Computing needs are met by your smartphone
or a cheap Chromebook
warm mountain
My chromebook is running Linux and uses a remote desktop to stream over the gaming rig
It's honestly a life changer
Just wanted to get that out there
jagged trench
cool
chilly flower
@warm mountain I have a pretty juicy pc, great for productivity kind of stuff. I think you're missing the fact that a lot of great pcs can't run current gen games, much less high intensity vr games
warm mountain
I mean like they had no pc period
I totally get that most pc's can't do vr
They said they don't own a pc, and therefore can't make avatars
warm mountain
Definitely
chilly flower
I don't understand these kids that have quests
I dropped a whole ass paycheck on mine
No food for two weeks
chilly flower
considering the latest keynote... Probably the best move
warm mountain
Honestly.... Has some pros over the index even
chilly flower
it definitely varies for each person's wants out of vr...but man I would kill for an index and a gaming pc
get ALL that field of view
warm mountain
I like how now we can't even see the pictures anymore
chilly flower
total step backwards
warm mountain
Eventually...
chilly flower
I hope I can tinker with my PC and get vrc running a decent bit when Oculus link hits
Like idrc about textures or shaders just lemme see all the worlds pls
umbral marsh
strong bison
sharp bay
Worlds would look a bit weird without textures or shaders...
gusty sky
приве
sharp bay
So it's just a USB-A (USB-3 Gen 0) to USB-C cable you need for the Quest PC setup.
tawdry swift
Apparently, yeah
gusty sky
я не понимаю по англиски
gusty sky
да
tawdry swift
нажмите на эту ссылку, чтобы поговорить с русскими друзьями > #russian
(click on this link to talk with Russians)
sharp bay
Weird. I can't find any USB-C (type 3 G0) cables longer than 0.9m, yet you can get USB-A (3.1) to USB-C cables that are 3m? https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics-Double-Braided-Type-C-Silver/dp/B07D7N96FL
gusty sky
не понимаю по англиски ок
tawdry swift
это англоязычный рознь, извини друг
(this is English discord, sorry friend)
tawdry swift
Я не русский, я просто пытаюсь объяснить, что вы должны говорить по-русски в соответствующем канале #russian
(I am not russian, im just trying to explain that you should speak russian in the appropriate channel)
tawdry swift
this got out of hand
polar flicker
I don't speak russian but it looks like he doesn't understand it either since he keeps on typing here
gusty sky
я не понимаю
warm mountain
Just had an idea
If they add finger tracking
Deaf people could communicate via sign language
warm crag
Vodka
warm mountain
^nvm ive been beaten
sharp bay
Ok, protip, don't go to the Quest subreddit, they're officially retarded.
It's like a circlejerk of people endlessly... well, jerking each other off.
tawdry swift
typically people who go to reddits like the reddits they go to
sharp bay
That doesn't mean everyone on those subs is generally completely incapable of any self-awareness or critical thought though.
I can understand stupid comments, but when there's a lot of them and they're all highly upvoted...
undone lake
Hey. Check out this neat little tech for full-body tracking on Quest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Zu50vj5W4
I wonder if they can add that for VRChat on Quest.
woeful cypress
so far it looks like it tracks the legs, but not the hips?
Which would be an issue.
plain flower
still waiting for that tracking belt tech
polar flicker
Can Rift S also into fbt?
woeful cypress
officially no.
warm crag
H
undone lake
Ok.
Since I heard that developers can opt out for having their Rift platform games enabled for Quest's Oculus Link feature.
I'm now worried if VRChat would block access to the Rift version through Oculus Link on Quest.
undone lake
I wanted to see my friends in PC only worlds with PC only avatars directly on my Quest headset.
sharp bay
Seems weird that that's even an option...
haughty coyote
I heard from a friend that on quest you can’t see your own avatar and I just wanna know if that’s true or not?
plain flower
in what context? do you have a quest? if you're a quest avatar you can see your on avatar by looking at your hands or down at the rest of your body like normal, but if you're a PC user who is concerned about their avatar being seen or useable on quest, that depends on if it was uploaded on android or not
if it wasn't uploaded on android, then obviously quest users couldn't see your avatar, and you wouldn't even be able to use it if you hopped into a quest
haughty coyote
I’m thinking of getting one
plain flower
so if you're getting one, you'll have to optimize a bit more if you haven't already and then upload your avatar on the same blueprint id on android to make it cross-play
unless you want to make it quest-only, of course.
haughty coyote
Aight thank you so much for the help
plain flower
np~
tame sandal
I have a question, so im trying to make a 2D mirror, I have the Camera projecting on a quad, however im having an issue where if you get to close to the quad the image skews if your not dead center of the quad. is there anyway to fix this issue? ive seen the mirriors they use on the hub and they dont have this issue so im at a total loss on how to fix this.
azure mantle
Does ANYONE actually use 2D mirrors tho?
I understand the idea of performance. but I think worldless mirror and no mirror is fine as options...
warm crag
Yo anyone know what people mean when they say just remember the code and everything will happen backwards? I’m trying to solve the second code in Taes Clinical trial
haughty coyote
So... Carmack said they wish to eventually make oculus link wireless, and it is capable of running 90hz
obsidian dust
90 or 60?
haughty coyote
90hz
obsidian dust
Interesting. I guess we'll see. Wish the index would get going on something like this too.
chilly flower
pics or it didn't happen
obsidian dust
And pics yeah like I did a search and didn't find anything on the speed. Can someone post a link.
60hz is around but 90?
haughty coyote
At the Oculus connect. Because the screens are capable, they were just lowered for mobile performance
obsidian dust
I mean the wireless not the screen.
polar flicker
Do you mean Quest can go up to 90Hz?
obsidian dust
Two different things.
I'm confused. Are you saying the wireless will still be 5 GHz and the display will run at 90hz?
I mean if they can get that panel to run at 90hz that's changes a lot. 72hz is just too slow.
jagged trench
yeah but I doubt they're going to be able to do that because the mobile processor probably couldn't handle that much
obsidian dust
I was thinking if it's connected to the PC, it could do some of the work. But still waiting for Jamie to clear it up I guess.
haughty coyote
Hmmm. Oh, I mean the link cable is capable of 90hz.
Wireless is a separate topic
obsidian dust
Ok. Ty.
slow jackal
Can u take a selfie with the quest
digital birch
@tame sandal Make sure your camera is set to orthographic mode (under the "Projection" setting)
tame sandal
@digital birch i do have it under orthographic, its just that when you get close to the quad the image goes to far to the left or right depending on where your standing, and its only center if your in the middle.
digital birch
It also helps to bring in an object like a sphere or cube into your scene and use is as reference to help line up your render camera position
tame sandal
yeah ive been using the vrchat chair for refrence
this is why im a bit confused. as long as im at a distance it works, but if i get too close to the render texture it gets weird
is this a common issue?
digital birch
sounds like your render target dimensions arent the same dimensions as your camera then
tame sandal
oh geeze, how do i get them to sync up?
digital birch
If you click on your render texture you can adjust the size in the inspector
I usually set it to 1024x1024
Or more concisely: Make sure that the Quad that has the render texture on it has the same proportions as your render texture
tame sandal
how can i do that? cuz under scale everything is set to 1-1-1 but if i do the 1024 it blows it up huge XD
digital birch
sure, then just use the scale tool and click and drag on the center of the tool to scale everything back to the size you want.... it will perserve the proportions
or you could just divide every scale value by whatever same amount to get it the size you want. ‾_(ツ)_/‾
tawdry wyvern
2k texture and low poly is what I go
digital birch
Yeah, I believe I also turned off anti-aliasing as well on the render texture. Will make edges 'shimmer' more but should save a little processing time
subtle ridge
Anyone here know if there's a quest only kind of world I could join sometime? Or a lobby that's filled with Quest friendly avatars?
I didnt realize at first Quest wasnt optimized for every avatar. So that's why I'm asking. Makes it harder to join conversations lol
haughty coyote
Yeah there's some worlds that are quest only. The pug west usually has quest users
azure mantle
unless theyre a massive jackass, everyone who goes to pug west cares about using an avatar visible to everyone.
obsidian dust
Sorry but using an avatar of your choice doesn't make you a jackass.
jagged trench
I guess it's a case of whether you care to be stuck as a robot for a good chunk of the room or not
obsidian dust
Depends if I'm with friends or not. If we're in a cross play world, don't force us to change.
woeful cypress
You should always consider that in cross play instances.
obsidian dust
Sorry but it's a free game. If I like the avatar I'm wearing, I shouldn't be restricted to PC only worlds.
jagged trench
that's totally fine just be aware half the folks will be seeing the robot
obsidian dust
And I tried for hours to make my avatar quest. Gave up. I am too busy.
Might get a market 3 avatar and then I would need to do it all over again.
I do care it's just time and energy. Hopefully the devs pull off a miracle and get all PC avatars visible on quest but I don't see how it's possible.
jagged trench
yeah no clue if that'll be technically feasible or even necessarily pretty if they can
given that nobody's really figured out for the automatic LOD Generation on character models
woeful cypress
If you did invest hours as you said then I wonder what with?
At least a poor conversation should be doable by everyone with ease.
With that I mean a model that might be a little bit above 10k and needing manual showing but else at least compatible and atlased, even if it might be a bit of the lower quality side.
jagged trench
you can probably get somewhere with just a lot of edge Loop dissolving
hasty matrix
obsidian dust
I am not going to be an ant. Kind of defeats the purpose of having fbt.
sharp bay
I always use Quest compatible avatars when in Quest compatible worlds (e.g. Pug West or Black Cat), feels harsh making people look at robots. But I also go through the effort of making all the avatars I normally use Quest compatible (better than the auto-block limit so they don't have to manually show me).
Plus I have a Quest, but I only use it for streaming (which I recommend over the native client for anyone with a remotely capable PC)
Decimating avatars so that Quest users at least see something isn't too bad. My only real complaint is it's almost impossible to do without losing all your shape keys in the process.
spice shell
anyone here?
sharp bay
No
warm crag
No
warm mountain
@sharp bay it really isn't to hard to keep your shape keys. Just make sure to seperate the face mesh from everything else before atlasing, so the decimator can go by material.
sharp bay
The meshes don't match up to re-join them when you do that though, so you end up with a tiny gap between the two parts.
haughty coyote
hi
haughty coyote
Hey
pseudo token
Removing doubles may or may not connect them. If not, subdividing the edges to match and then subdividing could work.
There is automerge, too I think but it never worked for me
sharp bay
Removing doubles only works if the connection points are in the same place, which after decimation, they won't be
Subdividing also won't work as it won't end up with the new connection points in the same place
haughty coyote
who's up
azure mantle
The S stands for Salt
mint steeple
You know it
haughty coyote
The rift S will still be a better pure PCVR experience. But the quest is very good now.
Excited to see the Oculus link launch
polar flicker
Rift S owners don't have reason to cry because it remains the same it was. Quest was better value headset than Rift S from the launch and now is even more so but Rift S stays the same and most likely will remain better PC headset
haughty coyote
☝
obsidian dust
Don't worry. In two years we'll have the Quest S.
azure mantle
Jamie trying to damage control after recommending Rift S to everyone
at least those wmr recommendations still havent gotten beaten in price after all those years
azure mantle
@void obsidian Rule 5. Also, not even a pencil sharpener.
jagged trench
and also I think that might break not having not-safe-for-work rules
haughty coyote
@azure mantle no I truly believe this. Along with people who have tried it at oculus connect and wrote their review on Reddit. I'll probably make a video about my view
azure mantle
I was more memeing than anything, ik
haughty coyote
Ok ^^
I do think the quest with link is more worth it for the average VR user now though. Ones who want the best of both worlds
azure mantle
depending on how link turns out, especially performance req wise, I might actually sell my explorer and go and get me a quest
polar flicker
Quest S maybe?
haughty coyote
The next oculus headset might be a hybrid. Would be cool
jagged trench
it's most definitely going to be a hybrid considering the quest link exists
sharp bay
The Rift S is still comfier and has considerably less screen-door. Also the image isn't compressed so there won't be additional latency and artifacting...
azure mantle
and we all know what happened with artifact
gleaming narwhal
I need some quest users tonight willing to subject themselves to my wip world. Uh... Hopefully I fixed the hard crash issue
fringe ledge
ay
solid temple
drags herself in. "Here we go agaaaain it's time to convert for Quest againnnn"
lament tree
I had the best moment in VrChat today and it made me laugh so hard that I fell on the floor and laughed so hard I cried
That was pretty neat
halcyon saffron
ff
tawdry wyvern
its ahappening
karmic sparrow
ok thank you
tawdry wyvern
I would frick a Quest
civic oak
I've started to notice some Quest users can actually see PC user's avatar even though they are not Quest compatible.
sharp bay
That's literally impossible
Either A) They're on quest but streaming from PC or B) The avatar does infact have a Quest version and you're misreading the avatar symbols.
tawdry wyvern
people upload there pc avatar with the mobile shader. thats all
civic oak
Ohh right right.
sharp bay
@tawdry wyvern That still won't work, it needs to be built with the Android configured version of Unity due to other faffing it has to do that isn't cross compatible.
tawdry wyvern
really
sharp bay
Yeah. It's not just the specs of the avatar, it's a load of platform dependant stuff it has to do, which is why you have to use an entirely different project in unity set to the Android SDK to be able to upload them.
sly bridge
And if anyone is new to vr chat and would like me to show you too my friend group and give you an experience around vr chat :0 add me @ourchurro and yeah :0 I’ll show you around tomorrow morning northern time
heavy hollow
Ah yes hello quest general
worthy dune
🤔
coarse vault
well thats over 🤠
haughty coyote
Hi @worthy dune
rocky lion
who else is bored
fathom pewter
everyone
tawdry wyvern
I think its because the server didnt load the avatar correctly or the avatar blueprint got corrupt. so it need to be reupload
sharp bay
Yeah, I'm seeing the opposite, Quest users often showing up as errors for PC users. Something's definitely a bit wonky or as _qb said, corrupted avatar.
OH, there's a good chance it's an old avatar and was one of the ones broken a month or two ago when they accidentally deleted a load of things.
warm mountain
But wait, it makes sense for pc users being errors if they aren't compatible
But quest users are compatible for pc
sharp bay
No, that's not how it works
If you're on a platform that isn't supported by the avatar, you get a robot avatar with the profile picture on the chest.
If you get an error robot, then something's gone wrong.
mint steeple
The Quest version recently had an update where all PC avatars show up as errors rather than a picture on the chest of a robot.
worldly rapids
Can confirm.
simple light
Anyone know if VRC will have hand tracking implementation once it releases for the Quest or soon after? 🤔
sharp bay
Probably not. Hand tracking already exists (in the form of the Leap Motion) but it's useless for the same reason no-one's bothered with it before.
You have no buttons, no joysticks, etc.
No way to move or access menus.
sharp bay
I tried it in the past and you basically have to keep then grabbing a controller to do stuff. That's why the Index has a hybrid setup really, finger tracking is nice, but useless on its own because physical inputs are still a necessity.
simple light
hmmm
sharp bay
simple light
I would think that the only way to have access to menus with just hands is by doing certain gestures but I guess there are some limitations that you cant get over
sharp bay
Interfaces that only exist in virtual space, accessed with non-tactile methods are basically a nightmare to interact with. It's like trying to hug a cloud.