Good to hear another experience
#quest-general
sacred maple
haughty coyote
Ah yes
edgy hedge
halo
haughty coyote
Hello @edgy hedge
sacred maple
olah
haughty coyote
Wish the quest had more maps tho but ik there working on them 
edgy hedge
really
sacred maple
I expect more content is coming; and do hope the future is healthy for long-term content
We'll see; interest has to hold
regal sundial
heblo
sacred maple
bello
edgy hedge
who are you
torpid cedar
hewo
torpid cedar
hm?
i hope the quest gets some kind of boost on vrchat so it can play any world
with anybody
ornate cloud
hoi
edgy hedge
me too right iam still waiting maybe
torpid cedar
im just waiting for that moment when the quest is on sale
edgy hedge
ohhhh
oblique pike
@torpid cedar thats impossible
daring kraken
These new limits are fucking insane.
Limiting my ability to CHOOSE to accept poor performance is stupid. peroid. Defaults are nice. Warnings that I'm choosing bad performance are fine. BLOCKING me from choosing to see avatars that are awesome, and actually run perfectly fine... is stupid.
My girlfriend's avatar currently is 44k polys on quest. it uploaded fine, you let it be uploaded. It runs at 72fps solid in any environment we've been in.
oblique pike
The blocking is default off. And the quest was ALWAYS gonnna have limits.
you can upload it, they cant see it.
daring kraken
REAL limits are fine
oblique pike
7.5k polys is the real limit now lol
daring kraken
yes and I get 72fps with a 44k poly avatar in my view
oblique pike
with a, but if that becomes the norm itll be more than just one
oblique pike
just optimize your model forehead
daring kraken
7.5k or over, blocked by default. 10k blocked with a warning that performance will suffer.
wispy karma
the average joe quest user won't understand that though
daring kraken
why limit it more when I can clearly choose if I want to be in a room with one person with a higher poly avatar
wispy karma
they'll unlock 40k poly avatars and then bitch at vrchat for the lag
everyone here is the minority when it comes to understanding polygons, performance etc
daring kraken
ALTSPACE on the fucking OCULUS QUEST. allow 200MB worlds. their avatars are up to 20k polys. AND up to 40 players in a world before I notice performance hits.
I know its different. shaders etc. But come on. let me choose to hurt my performance with ample warnings and sane defaults.
not everyone hangs out in rooms with 40 people all the time.
I bought the quest for VRChat and now I'm considering selling it.
oblique pike
doesnt vrchat already underperform on the quest
oblique pike
"ok" but not as good as alll other games?
daring kraken
thing is, a 45k poly avatar can still be optimized, even for a snapdragon 835.
obsidian dust
I agree. Options are good. If it's just two people in a room especially.
oblique pike
because vrc is lucky it can even been on it, better optimized games got rejected.
ye so tell ur gf to optimize her model
azure mantle
Listen, VRChat still has quite a few unoptimized bits. the fact it runs on Quest currently is a bloody miracle. give devs some time to slack because currently, in an empty map, if you get 10 users with 5k poly avatars, the game already shits itself. They need to fix it up, and then we can have what you call "sane limits"
daring kraken
hey babe, I know your avatar ran perfectly. But I need you to make it look like ass for me now.
kthx
azure mantle
God I wish everyone on earth was an early 2010s mobile game developer
oblique pike
many models that are 5k models look awesome
daring kraken
yes, they can
oblique pike
ur saying ur ggf doesnt have the skill? smh
daring kraken
if they were made for that. but making optimized models at that liit takes much more skill and time
obsidian dust
They can.....
daring kraken
honestly? well yeah
oblique pike
man time for a new gf
daring kraken
or more...I know she is a no-bullshit kinda person who isnt gonna waste the effort for this stupid reason.
certainly not.
oblique pike
imagine dating someone who cant optimize more
obsidian dust
๐
daring kraken
ok but seriously. can anyone give one good reason aside from "people are stupid" to fully BLOCK choosing to show unoptimized stuff?
oblique pike
they should bllock it
tawdry swift
Performance
obsidian dust
Dude just wants a choice. My god.
daring kraken
by all means make it off by default and even require opting in and agreeing I wont sue them for low framerate
oblique pike
wait solution, dont have a quest version
lunar blaze
No, bad idea
daring kraken
if they are gonna do this to it. I agree.
tawdry swift
Yeah, you arent forced to have a quest version
if you wont/cant put the effort in, dont do it anyway ๐
daring kraken
I can. and even I am hesitatnt to because I know it's a stupid requirement.
oblique pike
its not a stupid req, if the game already doesnt run great..
daring kraken
it is to BLOCK, yes.
oblique pike
deserves the block
if you care so much make a canny. whining here will do u nothing
lunar bear
.....?
daring kraken
I'm aware.
Man people really hate having control over what they see
ok I'll post on canny
obsidian dust
Smh. People hate choices and don't understand you I guess.
daring kraken
seems to be...
tawdry swift
i understand, it would be nice to have the choice
lunar bear
whts rank blockin?
obsidian dust
They can turn you're gf avatar off just fine.
You want to be alone and see her. Choices are good.
restive bone
People need incentive to create optimized avatars
daring kraken
the incentive of "oh people wont see me ever by default" isnt enough?
I think it certainly is
tawdry swift
Thats what he means
if people want to be seen they can and should put in the effort
restive bone
And I'll never see you because if I turn off the performance limiters everyones unoptimized avatars display
so what is the difference?
daring kraken
I mean there's still the hide and show avatar buttons
that were implemented for EXACTLY that purpose
restive bone
You think that is a great experience for new users?
tawdry swift
They were implemented as a soft-block
lunar bear
whats this whole argument about?..
daring kraken
Defaulting to 7.5k and above being hidden is a great experience for new users
tawdry swift
i mean it is
tawdry swift
framerate trumps all anime girl avatars imo
restive bone
Ok, lets back this up. It seems like at a fundamental level you think VRChat has no idea how to do performance profiling and come up with metrics right?
lunar bear
oh...
restive bone
Because this is all about the numbers.
daring kraken
well considering they Still dont limit shader performance ... yes to a degree
they just assume if it has one shader that its performant
neat lagoon
Limit shader performance?
quaint copper
You cannot limit shader performance. To the engine, they are just blobs of shader code passed to the GPU.
tawdry swift
im not sure if thats even possible
neat lagoon
You know that's almost impossible to do, right?
quaint copper
I want that too, but it is not possible IIRC.
daring kraken
There's no way to profile the time shader code takes to run in one tick?
quaint copper
Don't believe so, nope
restive bone
At runtime is probably key here
rough oriole
fwiw thank you devs for making a thing, because performance on my Quest has been amazing and it works on my PC quite nicely, too.
daring kraken
But assuming one shader is optimized is not the solution
lunar bear
I love the quest and i cant wait for mine
neat lagoon
You would need to like, upload the uncompiled shader, have some kind of system that knows how to analyze the shader in the cloud, compile it, then, package it with your avatar on download and apply it on load
daring kraken
Id much rather see a toggle to disable dynamic lights entirely, than limiting polycount so heavily.
actually not even that.. just more than completely disabling anything over a set amount from displaying
quaint copper
There's no shader-level solution. Best we can do is assume that any shader on an avatar is "decent enough", and push for the Unity & Oculus & essentially every-engine-ever recommendation of "limit material counts to lower submesh creation"
somber peak
I just came here to say, I'm dissapointed I can't disable the avatar blocking on Quest. I know it could cause lag, and as the VR user who will experience the lag, I'm okay with lag sometimes for a cool avatar.
daring kraken
it's a valid use case of the game, hanging out with one person. If that one person runs perfectly well at 45k polys then why should it be blocked globally with no override?
somber peak
But I also understand the decision. I'm not upset or anything. Just wish I had the choice.
lunar blaze
^^^
daring kraken
^
frosty vigil
^
lunar blaze
Same
daring kraken
I'm sorry for being over the top angry about it. I am certainly blowing it out of proportion. but I know for a fact many people who use it for this type of case will not see the point in putting in the effort past that. considering it works PERFECTLY in this use case.
quaint copper
The general approach for Quest is to implement low, then climb up as we precisely nail down what we do and don't want as far as performance issues/components/etc. I can't make promises but like literally everything in VRChat, things are subject to change in the future. For now, this is the implementation we're going with.
haughty coyote
I feel like the only people mad are the 500k poly sadboi avatars lmao
lunar bear
exactly
daring kraken
then my question is... if I mod the apk and remove that limit will I be banned? XD
yes I know.. I am joking.
neat lagoon
My biggest issue with a choice like that it's everyone being lazy and all avatar worlds are filled with crappy mmd avatars with no work in them
daring kraken
but ugh.
lunar bear
I personally love the quest, i dont care about poly count or anything, vrchat is doing the best they can and i appreciate it for existing โค
haughty coyote
/ban
daring kraken
I seriously expected the limits to raise after the initial release
tawdry swift
im on both sides, options are always good, but i understand why the options were put in the way they were, considering oculus also has a minimum framerate requirement to even be on the store
somber peak
Perhaps it could be on a avatar by avatar basis? Where if you want to see a "Very Poor" avatar, you have to show that avatar specifically.
daring kraken
if I'd never had the higher limit then it wouldnt be annoying
azure mantle
chris you just solved it
daring kraken
already having put in the effort to optimize to the existing limits to have them drop DRASTICALLY is a pain
azure mantle
That solution is incredibly elegant
daring kraken
yeah honestly. "Show avatar" override with a warning, would be perfect.
tawdry swift
"show avatar" should be a hard override for everything, including dynamic bones (on pc)
daring kraken
done. solved.
restive bone
They did not drop. they were telling you since Quest support was announced to target 5k
haughty coyote
maybe that's already implemented
restive bone
If you DOUBLED 5k you are still in the system
lunar blaze
Im in agreement with thy solution.
haughty coyote
I feel like that would be the case
if I wanna see someones avatar im not going to change my safety settings
and im not going to keep them all on at risk of being crashed
frosty vigil
10k seems arbitrarily considering we've has no limits since launch and in many uses cases over 10k, models can run fine
And in fact some of the world's I've seen published for quest have gone public with considerable worse performance isssues
somber peak
There's a lot to learn from Second Life. There's a culture there that basically says "Turn off all performance limiters to see anyones avatar" and its kinda terrible optimization wise. I could see that happening on Quest. Doing it on an avatar by avatar basis could solve that issue though, where its impossible to turn the block off, but if your friend has something cool to show off, you could still see it.
haughty coyote
i keep all shaders/animation off bc of crashers, my safety ๐
restive bone
Is it OK for VRC to be trying to force people out of bad habits where the platform runs like shit for decades?
daring kraken
yes. and defaulting to blocked does that
restive bone
SL still runs like shit
neat lagoon
Then, everyone making good avatars for quest are always shut down because they don't have the amazing 45k mmd crap, then everyone's wondering why vrc is so laggy. Worlds that are empty boxes get popular and people don't like worlds with real effort because they take up part of that 100K budget. I think avatars above 10k are a terrible idea
restive bone
No, what Chris says happens. it's a culture of turn all the limits off
daring kraken
already most new users NEVER turn on dynamic bones because they dont even know its off by default.
haughty coyote
hoes mad
daring kraken
if you disable by default this will literally never be an issue.
haughty coyote
@daring kraken I had a trusted user friend not even aware of the dynamic bones thing
daring kraken
exactly. new users see what they see and assume its the max. and it is by default. and people target that.
haughty coyote
i have no issues on vrchat, no lag, just good computer but took a break from it but back at it again
restive bone
I wonder why that user has no friends complaing to them that they can't see their "cool stuff"
tawdry swift
The culture is disable everything, once new users are told by trusted users to disable to see the neat stuff
restive bone
Performance System does not equal Safety System
daring kraken
because we are all experienced users. we know these things exist. and our friends use them
we arent most users.
somber peak
It's tough. I want anything above 10k to be HEAVILY discouraged, but I also want to see it sometimes. I wonder if it could be a thing you disable temporarily on an avatar by avatar basis, and it only remembers the unblock for that session.
tawdry swift
yeah but most quest users are not experienced
restive bone
And the system is designed for most users.
daring kraken
yeah I see the "per user override with a warning" solution to be the best option here.
not outright blocking. given the perfect performance this situation can still enjoy.
somber peak
You'd have to add some annoying stuff to it to make it a hassle if someone wanted to use a very poor avatar as their main.
restive bone
The idea of having to take inventory of all the users in the world because I have some blocked and some unblocked every time I enter sounds like tons of fun!
daring kraken
If it werent possible to have that polycount and still perform perfectly I'd have a different oppinion
restive bone
It's like a little meta game I can play
daring kraken
well you wouldnthave to :P
restive bone
"oh, you have an even slower avatar today, off"
daring kraken
set it to the default.
somber peak
I think the hassle of it would make most users not bother to unblock a very poor avatar.
restive bone
"Oh shit, there are 10 people in here that I overrode their settings"
tawdry swift
Decent solution, but its a bit of a fuck about dont you think
daring kraken
every avatar switch
restive bone
Then every time I enter I have to go and turn everyone on again, because I can handle it.
restive bone
The point is doing it per user and managing that is what they are trying very hard to avoid.
daring kraken
as long as "hide avatar" and "show avatar" are a thing. I dont think it really is any different.
restive bone
Having it be this meta game you have to learn to manage your perf instance by instance is what they are trying to avoid.
daring kraken
those already exist and behave as you say.
restive bone
Those are anti-harrassment options primarily.
daring kraken
I am trying to think if I've ever used them for that...
tawdry swift
with the amount of effort this would take, taking inventory etc, is that effort just not better applied learning optimisation anyway
10k is a pretty decent number
daring kraken
an 10% of users may actually do that
most people use world avatars anyways.
I'm barking up the wrong tree
azure mantle
in fact, doesnt hiding avatars actually reduce a user's internal reputation?
frosty vigil
Wha- The whole point of the avatar rating system was to gameify avatar peformance
somber peak
I'm excellent and I'm proud
restive bone
Floober: For the avatar CREATOR. Not all the people you subject it to.
warped mountain
@azure mantle it might, nobody knows
tawdry swift
green star gang
azure mantle
o/
warped mountain
Auto blocking on PC seems like a terrible idea if the avatar ranks are still this inaccurate, but I don't really care on Quest because mobile games are so damn tight already.
Ranks are generally accurate when it comes to polys and materials
And on PC, for dynbone they're accurate too
tawdry swift
Auto blocking on pc isnt a thing
warped mountain
It will be depending on user settings
azure mantle
I think a few things could be changed on actual rankings for PC, it's fine for the most part tho.
daring kraken
people are really trying. Not everyone knows how to hit such low requirements. without it looking like ass.
restive bone
I wish everyone who thinks the avatar ratings are inaccurate would do some studies and show data. - Also, they are fixing some of the off-by-one and incorrect count issues with this patch.
warped mountain
Anyway, mobile platform, limited resources, you'll have to optimize
daring kraken
overall, this update is good.
warped mountain
Well the ranks for PC are inaccurate in some regards. There's no way a 5001 poly mesh particle system is laggier than a 70k skinned mesh renderer.
tawdry swift
If avatar ranks are inaccurate, and your friend is using a system/animations or something they can always ask you to show their avatar
frosty vigil
Owlboy what does that mean. it's because the rating is shown to other people are pressured to improve it
warped mountain
@tawdry swift frankly it would get old to ask everyone that. My 5001 polys aren't any more laggy than the guy next to me with 16 materials and 70k polys, but I digress since none of my examples are about Quest.
restive bone
I just mean it should be a game in the realm of making a good avatar. Not in having to scan the room every time I join one to inventory who I should show or not show
frosty vigil
Ok
tawdry swift
i dont know much about particles let alone mesh particles but assuming each mesh particle is a quad then thats 10k tris that need to be lit independently
that sounds expensive
warped mountain
Well that's not entirely how it works
restive bone
Also, framing things as "my one avatar does fine" is misleading and forgetting the whole reason limits exists. you need to say "25 of my avatar all doing the effect does fine"
daring kraken
no, I dont. Becauuse as stated. many people dont use it for that purpose
warped mountain
A skinned mesh renderer seems more expensive to render than a very simple mesh particle with 5001 polys. Effectively, a particle system is forced to be one material and all the meshes are sorta batched/instanced together.
They're also not skinned from what I can tell.
daring kraken
so as an override it makes sense.
warped mountain
If you spawn a world prop with a particle, it's cheaper and nicer-looking than doing it with a (skinned) mesh renderer+fixed joint, but guess which method is more heavily penalized by the ranks
daring kraken
I'm not gonna win here. because everyone uses vrchat differently. and expects something different from their experience. I simply feel this HARD limit is not enabling some of the common uses, and their perfect performance on the previous build.
somber peak
What if you were only allowed to unblock a single "Very Poor" avatar per instance?
daring kraken
we've said that already
tawdry swift
seems arbitrary chris
daring kraken
many times. it's a good solution.
frosty vigil
The cap is arbitrary lol
somber peak
that gets rid of the whole "I gotta scan the room" stuff
restive bone
That would be interesting
somber peak
So it would have to be done on a per avatar basis, and you could only show 1 Very Poor avatar. I think thats a pretty big discouragement to use very poor avatars.
warped mountain
That seems weird and arbitrary.
azure mantle
Like I've mentionned before, I think something like in Dreams or LBP with a performance budget that fills up as you add stuff, but for avatars and worlds. would actually be really fun to see. it's definitely something that would need lots of testing. and is far into the future. But I'm hopeful.
warped mountain
That would give rise to so many issues and accusations of favouritism. At that point I'd rather not have the option at all
lunar blaze
All 17 of my avatars work fine on quest. some over 10K and are just fine. people do use em and love to use em. There is proof that higher limits can work. with there own limits of course. most i use is 25K. no more than that should be public.
daring kraken
is there a HARD cap on number of meshes?
oblique pike
isnt it 2
azure mantle
2
daring kraken
but a HARD limit or just poor performance ranking
frosty vigil
Is that an sdk limit, or a hard limit
azure mantle
hard limit, set by client
restive bone
lol
daring kraken
like is it impossible to see an avatar uploaded with that?
azure mantle
you can see with 2 meshes
daring kraken
and higher gets blocked. ok
azure mantle
not 3 or above
restive bone
that's how fucked up this whole situation is. You guys acting like breaking the TOS and modifying the SDK is part of this
daring kraken
??
azure mantle
you could look at the table on medium....
daring kraken
I never suggested that. I'm asking what is actually locked
vs just recommended
thats how we got in this situation. recommending 5k
with no limit
neon storm
i'm honestly with WACO here, vrchat's population is decreasing at the moment btw because of this update, so vrchat's devs are going to kill vrchat before valve kills tf2
frosty vigil
You can "bypass" the sdk without modifying it Owlboy
warped mountain
They should have set hard limits first and then relaxed them later if necessary
daring kraken
event that I'm not talking about
oblique pike
tf u mean its population is decreasing if the update just came out like 5 minutes ago
daring kraken
yeah I really thought 5k was too low, but assumed it'd raise as they improved it. but then my 7.5k avatar uploaded without warning
oblique pike
you cannot statistically say vrchat is going downhill before theres even time to go downhill
plain flower
i love vrchat cuz its growing pretty similarly to actual VR imo
restive bone
I was referencing Floober
somber peak
The scenario I'm worried about is this: Someone makes a weird, hacky, but frickin awesome avatar, and I want to look at it because its unique, a spectacle. And I can't. I just want the choice on occasion to unblock someone. I'm not really that concerned about it, because the culture of unoptimized avatars needs to be killed and this will help.
daring kraken
^
plain flower
people are always like "ew what is this this shit dead" and yet its still retaining people and still growing
neon storm
^
plain flower
these changes are really, really good
restive bone
They just have to make that weird hacking frickin awesome avatar within the limits?
warped mountain
Game ain't growing though
daring kraken
I think the "lets fuck with the sdk to override limits" crowd is very small, or at least keep to themselves. at least I dont mind not seeing them.
oblique pike
Population decreased cuz of this update vrc is gonna die!
update release 10minuts ago
daring kraken
but when something is allowed, and runs perfect. then gets taken away. I get annoyed.
neon storm
yeah
warped mountain
The game is actually stagnating right now from what I can tell. It's losing people on Steam and they're only getting some early adoptions from Quest right now
restive bone
I really wish we could all be on the same page about what "runs perfect"
warped mountain
It's not "dying" but it's not exactly growing at a fast rate
restive bone
It gets back to that data we need.
idle verge
VRChat simply needs to harness the power of blockchain and machine learning, and then we won't need to worry about poly limits
neon storm
yeah
idle verge
I'm sorry, I'm just trollin'
frosty vigil
Epic
restive bone
You all are talking about stats and numbers in the abstract. Never is a cohesive provable way
neon storm
hell, im working on a tf2 model and i have no idea how to merge and bonemerge in blender and i just do that in unity, and they EXPECT you to know how without giving ANY tutorial
daring kraken
I concede that I cant get that myself. but I can anecdotally tell you how well that 45k poly avatar that showed as performant, with one shader, one 1k texture ran for me in that quest optimized world. and how I now cant see that. and how that person now has to put in an extreme amount of effort for pretty much no reason now. since I wont be using it on the quest any more anyways
oblique pike
if only youtube had tutorials relative to optimizing for vrchat!
daring kraken
they do
oblique pike
i know im being sarcastic
daring kraken
and many of them say decimate the shit out of it until it looks like trash
or jokingly just delete half of the model and say DONE!
oblique pike
depends
daring kraken
I havent found one showing actual good practices coming from the most likely scenario (MMD) and getting that looking good at 5k
oblique pike
also making models for quest isnt maandatory
daring kraken
if that means remeshing and reprojecting then so be it. we need someone to show us the way I guess.
somber peak
I'm not personally disagreeing with these numbers or anything. I think the limits put in place are good and reasonable.
restive bone
Is it fair for VRChat to want you to have more than 4 or 8 people in one world?
frosty vigil
Yeah, for better or for worse this is going to push PC players away from porting avatars
daring kraken
what do you mean?
I choose how many people I hang out with.
for default values, sure.
idle verge
I think we need to curate the decent tutorials, but also possibly guide people toward general game dev optimization info vs VRC tutorials sometimes
oblique pike
Decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP4KboALEHE&t=7s
Bone merging: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7sAPfGrHns
Atlasing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snx7_2G5xx4
somber peak
I think this will help actually, 5000 is difficult, but under 10,000 is much easier.
oblique pike
sorry didnt know itd image spam
restive bone
The reason SL still runs like shit is because people ride the shitty perf line.
Without limits people will always do that
somber peak
Yeah, SL is a cautionary tale.
frosty vigil
Avatars are still penalized for being over 5000 and I imagine most fresh players will have the settings set harsh?
somber peak
I know that most will eventually turn it up.
frosty vigil
Mmm
somber peak
Or whatever the phrase is.
As in, if its a convenient option to show poor avatars, most will do it i think
daring kraken
@oblique pike those video hit the PC limits not quest
its an entirely different beast.
but those are good resources
oblique pike
you should learn how to optimize well for pc before you do a quest model
daring kraken
agreed
somber peak
which is why i think if its ever possible to view very poor avatars, it must be difficult and annoying so that users don't do it by default.
oblique pike
like the dude above who doesnt know how to merge bones
daring kraken
but they are not the same thing
oblique pike
theres a tutorial and I cant find it because I dont remember the word but the technique starts with a T
daring kraken
I do VFX for a living and gamedev as a hobby for 10+ years. I'm not the guy who needs this. I also understand at least a bit what I'd be agreeing to if I manually toggle on something to show non-performant avatars.
somber peak
My personal poly limit has always been 10k, so I'm frickin gold with my avatars.
daring kraken
just barely lol
most of mine are too. I dont use MMD so its easy to hit
it just seems like they dont know their audience. I guess.
jagged trench
I mostly modified hyena models so I can hit that Target easy
neon storm
yeah, all of my models are not original and the only original model i tried to make did not work
daring kraken
I gotta go home. I've already cared more about vrchat on quest than it deserves today.
Sorry for ranting. but I want that darn option
jagged trench
have hope you have a good rest of your day WACOMalt
somber peak
I think its going to be easier to convince my friends to make quest versions now, since I can say "under 10k" rather than "around 5k"
jagged trench
yeah that's probably going to help some
haughty coyote
you'd probably have to say "under 7.5k by default though"
jagged trench
yeah that would be more accurate
azure mantle
7.5 or under to be EVEN MORE accurate
oblique pike
7.499 to be safe
quaint copper
We changed < to <= a few patches ago.
plain flower
when you get a unity project from a friend and you just see the mesh at 19,XXX
frosty vigil
So are quest avatars with any more then a single material going to mean anything for the quest peformance ranking
When last I read up about mobile rendering, it has an even bigger impact?
oblique pike
well theres a 2 mat limit
lunar bear
ive learned how to use atlas and it works so easy and wonders
good thing ik how to use gimp to edit lol
warped mountain
I still prefer manual, I never touch gimp for anything other than making emission maps (and other types of masks if the shader supports it)
lunar bear
it not that hard but aight
somber peak
Hey Tupper, is bound size really that much of a problem? There was a giant model on Quest picking us up with chairs the other day, would suck to see that go.
It was otherwise optimized
azure mantle
"Avatar bounds size will no longer reduce your Avatar Performance Rank below Medium." I think you misread
lunar bear
aweeee
somber peak
ah shit, great
warped mountain
Probably because of the issues lol
restive bone
Avatar bounds being huge gets worse the worse the other parts of you avatar are
So it makes sense they would just let those other things push you past medium if needed
quaint copper
@somber peak yes, bounds size is kind of a weird case as Owlboy pointed out
if you're just a quad, bounds size is "meh"
as is the case with literally everything in vrchat, this stuff is subject to change though, bounds in particular
who knowwwwwws ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
half coral
tawdry swift
Why
When did he prove his capabilities of being a staff member
Quest is a VR Headset
Its worth whatever you feel its worth, it costs $500 though
Cool opinion
Figure out how to manufacture a HMD for $120 and you have just destroyed the industry and became a millionaire.
Google Cardboard is $5
It can, via streaming
if you were so inclined you could google it
Very cool
Theres also alot of mobile vr headsets
jagged trench
the quest happens to be the least sucky one as it's actually feature comprable with pcvr
noble perch
tawdry swift
What is "Five Below"
jagged trench
that's not going to be any good a $5 headsets
idle verge
https://www.amzn.com/B00F3WDGA6
HMD
high-fidelity
no tether
unlimited power
$16
noble perch
lmao
tawdry swift
You pasted it by accident but you just yoinked that message to post somewhere else ๐
noble perch
Why-
idle verge
A thief in our midst
noble perch
Why does everyone have the "!" IN THEIR NAME???!
tawdry swift
The people who have that, have it so they can appear at the top of the discord name list
last verge
How to unsupported shader standard
haughty coyote
use standard lite
the only shaders you can use on quest are in the vrchat->mobile category
haughty coyote
Will there be horror worlds on quest in the future 
probably not I'm guessing tho.
tawdry swift
Just depends who ports their maps
i have a horror map planned but its way down the pipeline, and ill probably support quest
past frost
can we talk about the idiotic decision to leave out PC people from quest content?
If I upload my world "quest only" obviously any VR person can join the world, the hardware is good enough
same with avatars, if I upload only the quest version, and no desktop version, the desktop people should just see the quest version instead of the grey boy
gray vale
Because they are compiled for two different targets (Android & PC) and unfortunately they can't be read cross-platform, it's a technical problem
Which is basically why you have to switch targets to upload PC and Quest versions
past frost
hm yeah that makes sense
gray vale
Yeah... That left me guessing though, why not use AssetBundles, which are platform-independent?
past frost
stop asking question that make sense
haughty coyote
assetbundles are not platform independent, they have to be built for a target platrform
if you spend too much time switching targets you can use the unity cache server to speed up building
gray vale
...why?
lunar blaze
@haughty coyote count on it. im making one.
somber peak
Hopefully that Universal Texture Format announced by Google will help with this problem in the future.
Cross platform assets like .gltf files are possible, but being a universal format makes them take up more resources to load and use.
Unity I believe compresses textures in a different way for both mobile and desktop GPU's to have them take up less memeory.
there's probably other platform specific compression methods used to get things smaller
haughty coyote
yes unity compresses with special mobile formats for android, you can override the settings to make them better than default though
by using ASTC 4x4 instead of the vrchat defaults
somber peak
thats a big max size
haughty coyote
I think that's default ๐
haughty coyote
can we get an example of how different it looks?
haughty coyote
very nice. thanks for the tip
no problem! it should really help reduce artifacts and banding in most cases
brittle laurel
WHAT??
haughty coyote
to be fair: the middle image in the second picture looks extreme and is using the ETC format not the ETC2 format which is the default one when you upload quest projects
pseudo dust
can someone tell me the name of the avatar world with all the birbs?
tawdry swift
@ here doesnt work for normal users.
cinder panther
@gleaming narwhal Can I join your Discord server?
vernal blaze
can someone please help i just got my oculus quest today and Iโm sure my mic is on in vrc but every time I speak the mic never goes red. No one can hear me
plush pasture
Have you tried turning the app off and on again?
somber peak
ASTC seems to work a lot better, is there any negative to using it besides the slightly increased file size?
tawdry wyvern
My texture weight around 450 kb
plain flower
bluh
haughty coyote
I mean it hasn't been a full month since quest was released give it time lol
plain flower
LightDroid: i have a habit of talking into the future alot cuz i like thinking about the future of VR and what not >~< but every step of the way the pattern is gonna be the same
PC will always be much more capable than mobile every gen
unless somehow or someway a new hardware platform shows up that beats PC and Mobile for VR
haughty coyote
Tbh I see that happening
plain flower
i dont imo. there will always be high-end hardware and low-end hardware
even if MR becomes a thing you can pop into your eyes like contacts
or maybe thats the only way that every platform can be unified
cinder panther
PC Master RACE
obsidian dust
You see mobile becoming higher end than pc? Come on be real.
cinder panther
If mobile become higher than PC:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IRsYoyvjbg
toxic sable
It won't happen anytime soon, the PC hardware will always be 10 steps ahead. Even when consoles finally have capable hardware they're already years behind. Mobile hardware are now quite capable but not even close to even dent the current position of PC hardware.
gleaming narwhal
@plain flower you offload the task of rendering the frame on a network using 5G
That's how mobile will beat pc
Easier sad then done
jade palm
Can desktop see the avatars of quest users?
half gyro
@jade palm no. pc will see pc avatars, quest will see quest. An avatar ID can have both but you can only see the one for your platform
jade palm
I see
lunar bear
ohhh sad
half gyro
how is that sad, one is a windows standalone application the other is an android mobile application. Content cant be loaded from one to the other, has to be separate for the platform
half gyro
no. you can only see what has been uploaded for your platform
a cross platform avatar is one that has both been uploaded for pc and quest. meaning if you are on pc you will see the pc version and if you are on quest you will see the quest version
lunar bear
yes, but you can also make it quest AND pc compatible. but okay- im just saying, ive seen videos of it, but it may change after this stupid update.
oblique pike
You can, but you have to make it.
Pc will likely be able to see 99% of models, but for the quest, half that if lucky...
It wont change. Itll stay the same. The only difference will be the limits for the quest avatars will be enforced.
half gyro
@lunar bear I just explained what making it quest and pc compatible involves
oblique pike
Making an avatar for pc is easy, you can have dynamic bones, custom shaders, 70k polys, and a dozen meshes (Tho realistically you only need one)
on the quest, you have to make a model that only has 7.5k polys or less, 1-2 meshes, no dynamic bones, and only the mobile shaders that come compiled. It's difficult, and its not something a majority of creators want to do. Its just how it is, the quest cannot handle much more than it's given
upbeat cliff
Keep in mind half of the pc avatars are basically mmd miku bodys so quest isn't missing out on a lot in terms of seeing avatars
azure mantle
7.5k or lower
technically, 10k
but by default, avatars between 7.5k and 10k are hidden
lunar bear
ahh... okayy
oblique pike
And as long as its remade for quest
obsidian zealot
โCan Pc users see the avatars of quest usersโ
Usually yes. Itโs possible for an avatar to ONLY upload a quest version of av avatar but there is little reason to do this outside of not knowing what they are doing. But there is a โquest botโ placeholder avatar for pc users to see for that exact situation.
The Pc version of your avatar can still be up to 70000 polys so you can put a nicer version of your avatar on it even if you personally wonโt see it
lunar bear
oohnn, well thanks for letting me konw ( :
gleaming narwhal
@lunar bear most default quest avatars are the same model uploaded twice. It is possible to have a different models uploaded to quest and pc. Observe one I made. One picture is taken from quest, the other from PC
sacred maple
@haughty coyote You aren't going to stop a meme from being shared time-to-time. These jokes typically aren't meant in bad faith.
sacred kiln
I am thing of buy a VR rig what is a good cheap one should get?
haughty coyote
vr rig as in what, the computer? the headset? both?
sacred kiln
Headset
haughty coyote
if you already have a bangin PC and want to get one of the more recent headsets then go for the odyssey+ if you want the cheapest decent one at $300
if you want something that's not WMR then grab the rift S
if your PC sucks get a quest
obsidian zealot
For PCVR I recommend Rift S for cheaper or Index for a premium experience. If you donโt have a PC Quest is a great choice but not if you are mostly interested in VRChat and especially not if you have been playing on desktop already
VrChat on Quest is fun but still very limited and shouldnโt be the main reason you get a quest
I wish we could get a bluestacks version of quest vrchat for PC
amber holly
Who thinks that vr chat will be like the oasis from ready player one in 20 years? Or do you think it will be longer before that happens?
hollow mason
When vrchat get monetize and when big companies put money into it. Everything seen in vrchat is at the amateur level.
Like if there was world of Warcraft VR, lots of things will take off
hollow mason
Of course they can. Mmorpg can handle it, the only difference is that vrchat has mics and ik for the head and hands
If handled by a big company things would be fine, but money has not entered the equation yet
We are at gmod levels right now
amber holly
Do they have vr racing?
obsidian zealot
Something like the Oasis will exist; itโs inevitable. Will it be VRchat? I donโt know.
oblique pike
but u have no wifi how u play
obsidian zealot
Be careful with it out outdoors, donโt let sunlight hit the lenses
Looks bright outside
Youโll burn sun spots on the screen
obsidian zealot
Ever see someone set leaves on fire with a magnifying glass?
Headsets are the same outdoors
Yes, all of them
shy shadow
Oof
haughty coyote
never expose the lenses to direct sunlight, they just melt and lose shape
any vr headset yeah
obsidian zealot
Just to be accurate the lenses do not melt, the screen burns from perfectly focused to a pinpoint sunlight
The lenses are focused at infinity and the sun is basically a parallel light source
haughty coyote
oculus says both lenses AND display are damaged by it if you wanna be accurate about it ๐
y not both?
dull haven
Anyone know where to find meme pikachu avatar one with normal body but cropped face?
lunar bear
the one that goes crazy when it speaks lol
rough oriole
Any chance we will have more cross platform events? I remember there was one when the Quest first dropped.
dull haven
Yes cozykitsune
chrome pasture
Hello everyone, I'm new here and could use your help: I've logged in VRchat a couple of times, but can't find something really engaging to do. Am I missing something? Are there some cool activities to look for?
Any newbie tips are well accepted :)
haughty coyote
maybe you just havent met fun people yet!
explore and see cool worlds if oyu're alone or with a small group too, see if you find a nice place you just like to sit in, maybe in front of a mirror
and if you're bored of that there's -some- minigame things you can do, like Murder which i gues just turned cross-play
maybe you want to find some avatars you like first, etc @chrome pasture
chrome pasture
Thanks a lot for the tips @haughty coyote ! I've already found a couple of avatars. You're right I've not found interesting people to begin with...and still struggle to find entertaining worlds. I'll give a shot to this murder thing :)
woeful cypress
VRChat is a lot about socialising, talking with people sharing topics basically and such.
jagged trench
and playing dress up as anime girls
idle verge
VRchat is about mirrors
jagged trench
yep most definitely
shy shadow
Yes
azure mantle
VRChat and Discord are the same thing, get into pointless arguments with strangers you call friends while parading as an anime girl.
lunar bear
lmaooooooo thisss ^
west goblet
guuuuys
past frost
is there a canny post for the audio issue quest people have? sometimes,randomly a quest users mic sound gets loud and brokenly distored until they stop talking for a bit and then talk again, keeps happening to them, they are annoyed, I am annoyed etc
tawdry swift
Its a known issue, yes.
a simple fix is to open and close your avatar/social/worlds menu iirc
west goblet
im gonna try to get the quest next month so um...can u log into vrchat on quest by steam account?
west goblet
darn it
lunar bear
some say theycan
oblique pike
They cant
west goblet
tepid lava
lunar bear
shy shadow
So just booted vrchat on the quest
Says every map is too large even though it's less than 50mb
oblique pike
@shy shadow 20mb is the limit
oblique pike
Nope.. Thats what the quest can handle
shy shadow
Nah I mean like literally play at 15 fps
oblique pike
Thats terrible
shy shadow
Yeah I'm cool with it
oblique pike
https://uploadvr.com/vrchat-quest-limitations-details/
those are the world Reqs
oblique pike
Yeaah issue is you can upload anything for quest, but if it breaks the bounds it simply just wont work on your system, so it sucks
tawdry swift
Did you not think to research something before dropping money on it?
oblique pike
why would people research something that costs them hundreds of dollars thats crazy
shy shadow
and now it was just rejected for the quest
azure mantle
Oculus has very strict requirements for games
shy shadow
What else are we gonna have 3 fucking games
oblique pike
vrchat realistically shouldnt even be on it
azure mantle
there's a shit load of awesome games on Quest
azure mantle
that has mods and custom songs like PC
shy shadow
And robo recall
azure mantle
laughs in PSVR
shy shadow
Nah it's just gonna become a beatsaber machine
Seriously though how the fuck could they make it this half baked
oblique pike
the quest is on a mobile processor, meant for.. weak games cuz it cant handle much
shy shadow
I don't see why we can't get resolution scaling or stuff like that on the quest
For vrchat
why does it matter how big the map files is just let me load it even if it's 10fpa
Fps
azure mantle
I get that some people have a strong stomach and can handle 10fps in VR
I do myself
shy shadow
It's not like it's rocket science to implement it
azure mantle
But VRChat has some bare minimum framerate they need to hit to stay on the Oculus Store
oblique pike
^
shy shadow
What
shy shadow
Fair enofin
oblique pike
vrchat realistcally doesnt even fit the limits to begin with from what I saw, it doesnt run as well as its suppose to
azure mantle
or get a gming PC and sideload ALVR onto your Quest.
shy shadow
Prob do that
I have 3 other vr headsets
First time in the Oculus ecosystem
Seeing how much cock sucking I saw from.friends about Oculus I expected different
oblique pike
oculus is good. quest is intended for people WITHOUT a pc
lunar bear
if u have a gaming pc then mightaswell get rift s unless u dont want chords
shy shadow
I have a vive pro though
lunar bear
then why have quest
lunar bear
ahhh
haughty coyote
where can i buy a quest in-store
tihnking of grabbing one as a gift
they seem sold out everyhwere
haughty coyote
none in my area
oblique pike
Onljne really only theyre selling like hotcakes
hazy torrent
Hello
haughty coyote
Nice seeing you Nabutso
tawdry wyvern
Soo did you change you world name to loli graveyard?
haughty coyote
i didnt change the name but i did update it
haughty coyote
who knows.. we'll see how bored i get. i may -try- to get some avatars down to 7.5k from their originals but i'm not gonna spend as much time working on avatars as i used to just because i think it will be too hard for me to get them to look good enough for most people to use
heavy hollow
if people complain about your best effort then idk what to say about those people
kinda rare tho so JUST DO IT
dont let your dreams be dreams
haughty coyote
i dont expect complaints, just disappointment!
heavy hollow
ok im done
haughty coyote
but now that i know how to 'safely' decimate faces maybe i can do it
wanton gorge
hi im a new user ive made my own avatar but when i upload, it said acc Avatar creator not yet allow to public
so how long will it allow?
tepid shard
i already tried to download VRChat but it lagged a very very lot, game was almost frozen, what can i do to evict this?
hollow kelp
@wanton gorge You need the user tag for that.
@tepid shard Make sure ur pc meet the requierments for VRchat, also don't forget that VRchat needs to temp-download alot of things, so make sure that u have a stable internet conection.
wanton gorge
@hollow kelp how can i get user tag?
hollow kelp
@wanton gorge Mb, i mean't the new user tag, anyways, you achieve it by playing VRchat.
hollow kelp
Np
tawdry swift
No
haughty coyote
covert mantle
hi
lunar bear
hiiii
haughty coyote
Anyone want a friend?~~ :3
tawdry wyvern
Whats going on here
quasi pendant
Sorted
haughty coyote
some weird people
mental dove
hello fellow Quest-ers!
mental dove
ps, im not a nerd, matt boi...
pine briar
noob
mental dove
no
pine briar
DMs @mental dove
mental dove
u
pine briar
now
tawdry wyvern
Oh see that track
mental dove
wat is u doin'
manic hull
First time in quest general. What an amazing intro
compact plume
Anyone can give me answer pls.
How to add friend i VRchat with out stay in same world?
in*
woeful cypress
search for them in the social tab
compact plume
oh ok
woeful cypress
when you have it open you should be able to search for a person in the top right.
woeful cypress
you click on them on the social tab once they are your friend, and then there is a button
compact plume
How many day i must play to allow to upload avatars?
woeful cypress
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
crude jasper
This is not a criticism but just food for thought. I have a Quest and I want to suggest that crossplay could be a mistake.
Crossplay while appealing at first is the biggest reason VRchat on Quest feels incomplete.
I have a PC and a Quest, and I think both experiences would be better independent of each other and the efforts to make crossplay work could actually just make each seperste experience better for the relevant players.
Quest players will always feel they are missing something and PC players will always feel they are limiting themselves in order to participate in crossplay. Both are correct and both would better enjoy a complete experience in their respective platforms than the compromises necessary to come together. I think the Quest is a device that will justify having it's own community, and I'm sure other mobile headsets will arrive in the future. VRchat PC and VRChat mobile would be better than just VRchat
sly juniper
I agree
haughty coyote
quest crossplay doesnt have to feel like it's seperate at all if they decided to optimize things differently
limiting each individual piece of content isn't how it should work
crude jasper
But the key word that is the problem is limit.
median vigil
course, if cross play goes away, there's a great deal of people i wouldn't be able to interact with, very few people are going to go "all in" for any given flavor just for that
but speaking to being more integrated, i was told there's a way to take the default quest login and convert it to "real vr chat"?
haughty coyote
nope, they released the quest version before developing a system of linking an oculus and vrchat account
crude jasper
Well let the community decide. Except for home world and hub, no one should be able to enter a crossplay world without a crossplay avatsr.
That would help a lot. It would be respect for other users so that at least no one sees placeholders.
median vigil
i did notice i had a few avatars as an experiment with close to 77k polys, and it worked (well enough for me anyway); they got changed to < 10k polys, and it's noticeable, which is a shame.
i don't mind placeholders really. i also don't mind exclusive areas. cross play is ideal and social though.
haughty coyote
yeah any PC player going to crossplay worlds and taking up a quest user slot without a crossplay avatar is an ass
crude jasper
If someone doesn't want to make a crossplay avatsr or select one they shouldn't crossplay.
haughty coyote
100% agree
median vigil
i find the contention interesting. i've been in tech for ... a long time ... progress is great.
however, asap, i want to start developing for vrChat, and VR in general, i have a long background
crude jasper
My preferred avatar is not crossplay, but on PC my preferred world's are PC only. I enjoy Quest players and I do switch to something crossplay when I do, but it should not be optional really
median vigil
interesting
sly juniper
Anyone on quest want to do Vrchat?
crude jasper
But there is no Quest only content except in community Labs. I think that is proof that crossplay takes more from Quest than it gives. Other Quest ports feel complete. VRchat reminds users they don't have a PC.
past frost
will there be a fix for the mic issues for quest people?
its getting so annoying, every few minutes one of them has the issue, has to stop talking/open menus and then its mostly fixed again
with mic issue i mean the loud static noise that suddenly comes out instead of their voice, like, their voice is so distorted
median vigil
supposedly Oculus is working on the driver
past frost
so its an oculus issue? damn ok
median vigil
there are sometimes other audio issues, they could be interrelated
crude jasper
Like I said, I have both, and I would enjoy Quest more as a separate choice. There would be times I would prefer the simpler experience, but it's not simoler now. It is just very incomplete.
median vigil
if you only had a Quest, you wouldn't even know
crude jasper
Yes I would, with all the placeholders and such. It's not the world's that are the problem.
median vigil
so, on the PC front, what new headsets are we excited about? the index is intrigueing
but having Insight, i don't want to go back to cumbersome towers
crude jasper
My PC is wall mounted and not cumbersome at all niw.
I use a cable suspension from my ceiling, so being tethered isn't much if an issue though playing wirelessly with Quest as a PCVR was great for Steel N Gold
median vigil
some of the Quest accidents are amazing
i have a room i can use for VR alone, and i was considering generally making it the social lounge - bean bags and so on
i'm strongly considering a laptop though for tethered mode
crude jasper
I actually bought my Quest to use Virtual Desktop with my school laptop that can't run VR
median vigil
which is why the Rift-S is going to be useful there, but i'd rather have something like Index for home
heh
crude jasper
And now Virtual Desktop has a sideload feature available to use Quest with SteamVR on a VR capable PC.
crude jasper
SideQuest has made it almost plug and play. As long as Oculus doesn't curtail the ability for the average user to switch to developer mode
median vigil
Early days. They SEEM to be open and friendly about things for now. Honeytrap? ๐ Get developers in, make it good for them.
Apple's process by comparison is ridiculous.
crude jasper
Well they are being very strict about the store except VRchat is often pointed to as the exception.
median vigil
even there, Apple would never allow (typically) anything that could load it's own sub-programs
crude jasper
Because it is not polished and smooth.
median vigil
i've read the only reason they nixed the streaming on vrdesktop was they were on the receiving end of customer complaints
most non tech Quest users aren't going to track down customer support at the developer level, or find discord , or even google.
crude jasper
Well Facebook doesn't allow it, it is just possible with Sideloading. The stramVR capable VIrtual Desktop APK replaces the store version completely on the device
median vigil
it's the typical refrain of a customer using software/tech - alas
still, pretty exciting
VR as a medium will need a lot of content and assets - that could be a wonderful job for many
crude jasper
Well they will be making a mistake if they prevent enthusiasts from being enthusiasts. We are the ones who will be showing the Quest to people who otherwise couldn't care less about VR.
median vigil
true
i think everyone i showed some Quest things to, all kinda mumbled about their budget suffering
some of them bought right away, most are thinking about it
crude jasper
But we won't if it sucks, and for us what makes it safe enough for the masses sucks for us. We want to use our devices to their potential.
azure mantle
just show them the fact a 150 dollar wmr headset still requires a 700 dollar PC to run.
median vigil
just the visual quality, and apparent ease on tracking on the home screen
esp if they never did VR before. it's sort of fun to see their wonder.
then they try beat saber or something immersive and they lose it
crude jasper
Well Oculus wants to lock people into their store. If that only applies to those who don't care to leave the box then that's fine, But I have used my Quest to play my gaming PC from my living room, and I won't be happy to give up that potential. Apparently thousands of others weren't either
median vigil
indeed
since it CAN, and it's early, i'd like to believe that Oculus will have an official stable way to do it
but as with things, we'll see
haughty coyote
Is oculus quest worth buying?
median vigil
yes
azure mantle
well, depends, do you have a powerful gaming pc?
crude jasper
Unless your only interest in VR is VRchat then you will want PC.
median vigil
hah
haughty coyote
Semi-gaming
median vigil
i'm going to start a church of the mobile VR and our saint Quest
i prefer both, but if you have neither, and a budget esp, the Quest is very nice
azure mantle
I already started a Windows Mixed Reality church. with our saint /u/GeoffFromMSFT
median vigil
we shall avoid the holy war then
azure mantle
when vrchat quest was announced, I laughed for a good 10 minutes, then realized how many new folks would come to the game. and I was immediately onboard
crude jasper
I have a $375 PC that can run VR and VRChat
azure mantle
I have a 1050ti and an fx 8350, also runs vrchat in vr fine
median vigil
people run vrChat from consoles and even Switch from what i can see
azure mantle
its one of the most optimized vr games really.
crude jasper
Obviously it isn't too notch but it is better for VRchat than Quest
azure mantle
lol no, vrchat aint running on switch or ps4 or xbone
median vigil
flat chat
azure mantle
not even in desktop mode
median vigil
huh, someone sideloaded beat saber onto a go. lol.
crude jasper
VRchat is CPU intensive largely from unoptimized user content, but that is what makes it great too.
azure mantle
quest is technically gearvr/go with 6dof additions
median vigil
and a nicer display
crude jasper
And touch controllers...
azure mantle
me adding /go makes your nicer display statement completely pointless
median vigil
they have to be making those as loss leader
azure mantle
as they use the exact same display and optics
crude jasper
And it adds onto not being essentially gear VR, lol.
azure mantle
anyway, people sideloaded minecraft gearvr, it obviously doesnt have support for the touch controllers, but you have 6dof roomscale movement
despite it being a gearvr title
crude jasper
Quake is available on sideQuest
median vigil
Triping? same display, iirc the resolutions are different
crude jasper
With a gaming PC VRchat plays great though Virtual Desktop and SteamVR on the Quest.
median vigil
yeah it should
i suppose the next Oculus thing after Quest (not a Lenovo) will be pretty interesting
azure mantle
- VirtualDesktop's SteamVR streaming is going away because Oculus is a bunch of cunts.
crude jasper
As logbas there remains a reasonable streaming option for PC's I can definitely recommend someone without a PC getting a Quest first and building a PC for the future
median vigil
i would guess tethered and wireless, and maybe even standalone? wishing
azure mantle
please use ALVR for the time being.
median vigil
is the Vive's wireless decent?
azure mantle
tpcast is expensive as balls
runs for not very long.
quest is a better experience for wireless pcvr than vive
crude jasper
Virtual Desktop is best for VRchat. It has perfect touch controller support in the game.
median vigil
nice
azure mantle
well, buy it and download it NOW. and never update
dev said he considered putting a version with the streaming intact on sidequest
crude jasper
ND now that SteamVRbhas official Rift S support the Dev can probably make it a Rift S in VRchat
haughty coyote
do you know de way
median vigil
ouch
crude jasper
And that may allow for Quest with full body tracking through space calibrator.
azure mantle
yeah
crude jasper
I tried it already but the Quest drifts so they don't remain calibrated together.
median vigil
cool
azure mantle
or for less batteries and cables and lighthouses, Xbox One Kinect with Kinect2VR
crude jasper
Kinect works for FBT posing, but not great for roomscale dancing
azure mantle
I would say inverse from my own experience
median vigil
speaking of batteries, i'm going to try out the eneloop pro AA batteries for the controllers
crude jasper
I picked up an OG Vive cheap too, but I don't foresee affording index controllers anytime soon... Maybe when they are readily available I will sell my CV1 and get those so that I can be all Vive.
azure mantle
it sucks to hold a pose, but works fine for dancing.
imagine buying eneloop pros and realizing you wasted 80 bucks on your batteries when the energizer 2300mah rechargeables are perfectly fine
median vigil
i also snagged a chromecast so people can see stuff at parties - beat saber is hysterical to watch
crude jasper
Yes rechargeables aren't just rechargeable now. They have way more capacity than Akalines
azure mantle
everyone should get a chromecast anyway
median vigil
$32 with charger and i used points so ... worst case, i can use them in my tv remotes ๐
2550mAh as well
crude jasper
Touch running for days off of one AA per controller is definitely nicer than recharging a Vive Wand everysl session and having a dead battery mean game over.
median vigil
yah
azure mantle
"hey guys, today on stream were gonna do beat sa-- welp, league it is"
crude jasper
Lol
outer skiff
heey im looking for friends im new
median vigil
i had an AA give out in the middle of a good session. swipe swipe. nothing.
i had a good belly laugh
crude jasper
Those wanfs feel like baseball bats in Beat Saber too. If RiftbandbVive got along better inbOne PC I would use them for the exercise benefit
median vigil
a friend of mine suggested putting on wrist weights for a good time
solid ruin
hi
crude jasper
@median vigil The wrist weights, if they fit well enough is actually a good idea for Beat saber as daily exercise and practice. Imagine the improvement not wearing them to achieve new accomplishments on occasion.
plain flower
please dont fuck 7p your wrists playing beat saber. wrists weights are probably alright, but do not swing your wrists around to hit notes
crude jasper
Not sure if I make sense, but I play daily for exercise and I use an overlay so that it serves as exercise for my lazy eye too.
crude jasper
It's only occasionally I really try to achieve new expert+ levels, etc. So I can see a lot of potential by adding a difficulty to the routine that I remove for the efforts to impress myself
If I could do it conveniently I would use the wands all the time and my CV1 touch when I was ready to get serious about the game for this same reason
median vigil
i could have sworn i didn't have expert+ on the quest version of BS, and voila, there it was one day
crude jasper
It's there. You can add custom so far now. I still fail most expert+ but I have passed some in Quest.
median vigil
the upcoming 360 mode should be sick
azure elk
Why do I need to be so close to my mic for it to pic up my voice?
i never had this problem
azure mantle
is your mic volume low ingame? did dust get stuck inside of the mic?
fickle yew
so i keep getting a error
hello i am announcement KDFHJKDJSGHDS
and only my room and the avatar loads o: no other rooms or anything
cloud ravine
Looking to play with Quest Users
fickle yew
median vigil
i've been finding some fun like minded people. we do world hopping tours and at the same time, help out new users with settings and so on
fickle yew
well.. if anyone knows any advice please tag me.. i guess ill see if it works tommorow..
median vigil
someone i was guiding the other day was 80+ yo grandma, and she was having a great time, but wasn't technical
@fickle yew no idea
median vigil
i'm not sure how you add names for quest vrchat outside of chat? "this" user id is similar but different
the new vr chat hub is different i noticed - much shinier
cloud ravine
They have a new hub again?
median vigil
it's been updated. i think i read they will enhance it regularly
sly juniper
@cloud ravine @median vigil could I do some Vrchat with either or both of you?
sly juniper
Ok just a sec
cloud ravine
YEs
median vigil
tell me when, i can meet you in the hub
median vigil
don't know how to add?
well, not from here
i'm using an Oculus pass through, i don't know how to link that to here (early access)?
azure mantle
as long as youre on a vrchat account, you can login to https://vrchat.net/home and add friends there.
median vigil
oh, as opposed to Quest vr vrchat ๐
cloud ravine
and search Lyeco
median vigil
i can just right click on your name for that
my Quest account is through Oculus, not vrchat
sly juniper
Ok Iโm getting on but I only got half an hour
median vigil
goto the hub, we'll see what we see. by the pool ๐
sly juniper
Ok
cloud ravine
Just waiting for you to be online
median vigil
#14126
haughty coyote
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/display-avatar-performance-ranking-on-avatar-pedestals potentially important for PC users seeking to crossplay with Quest users
@azure mantle i know you'll like it
haughty coyote
literally pokes you anyway
azure mantle
so you freak the fuck out
btw nabu, Im pretty sure all the existing icons on pedestals are each their drawcall, not kidding.
adding yet another one could be a good occasion to bake the icons into the avatar thumbnail when loading the world, it would also reduce the use of transparency
cloud ravine
@median vigil hub right?
median vigil
yes
haughty coyote
i just hope it helps encourage use of better optimized ones
big red icons should steer people away
azure mantle
I also do think some parts of performance ratings need to be overhauled in a big way
haughty coyote
for sure, but regardless of how it's calculated it should probably be displayed on a pedestal
median vigil
how?
azure mantle
ADD EACH OTHER AS FRIENDS AND JUST JOIN OFF THE OTHER INGAME OH MY GOD.
Sorry for my fit of rage, adding someone ingame takes 2 seconds.
azure mantle
not all public instances are displayed in the ingame list
cloud ravine
The full ones isnt displayed
azure mantle
full ones are displayed
cloud ravine
But the ones that aren't full are
median vigil
@azure mantle i haven't the slightest idea how to link this/vrchat.net/quest accounts for that purpose ๐
azure mantle
you can't merge oculus accounts yet
hence why I said "if you have a vrchat account"
azure mantle
wdym
Im completely lost. did you use your oculus account or a vrchat account to login on quest. reply with "vrchat" or "oculus"
median vigil
oculus
cloud ravine
@median vigil can you tell us your vrchat username instead
azure mantle
none of it will "badly break things"
it's in fact HIGHLY RECOMMENDED to use a VRChat account
as it'll let you actually upload content
and you can transfer between devices
keeping your stuff, favorited worlds, avatars, friends, blocks, hidden avatars, mutes.
azure mantle
back when Steam accounts couldn't be merged to a VRChat account, I used to call people using Steam login, SteamScrubs
I will now start calling you guys OculusScrubs
cloud ravine
@median vigil added
median vigil
i think the term of art that i did not invent is "Questicles"