#avatar-optimization

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safe swift
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I know for sure that I'll be blocking ppl with insanely high stats

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i don't care about trust ranks, they say nothing about people around me

marsh trail
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I feel like this will be sticking around for more than a few weeks tbh, the witch hunting that is

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The whole ordeal with ranks dissipated very quickly

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But this... oh boy

safe swift
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thing is, most people don't understand what is more laggy, and you can easily get into poor performance with just couple things

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i just hope they either polish it VERY WELL or don't show the rank unless you're extremely unoptimized

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i had an old screenshot of my avatar being poor performance only with 300 vert cloth component

marsh trail
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Actually... is cloth even listed on the doc?

safe swift
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yes

marsh trail
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I might've skimmed through it somehow...

safe swift
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if u go above 200 = pooor performance

marsh trail
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Wat

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Guess i'll stick with dynamic bones on that front .-.

safe swift
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i won't ever use dyn bones for skirt, unless layered, but even then I try to make it 1 layer and use cloth

marsh trail
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Inb4 somebody tells you to weight the skirt to legs

safe swift
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it shouldn't be that bad on performance at 10 update rate when default is 120, idk if VRC hardcaps it or not

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and at 10 rate it doesn't look any different

marsh trail
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Probably hardcaps it like audio source rollofs, no more no less

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I think dynamic bone updaterates are also capped

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Not entirely sure though

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One would assume lowering them would increase general performance, but it might have something running on the background to keep it consistent

long jewel
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it should be capped at 60 i think tupper said that in in a vidoe, but i can be wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯

marsh trail
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Yeah i thought i heard about that in the past

surreal topaz
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The fact that update rates on dynamic bones and cloth aren't counted is BS honestly

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Update rate on dynamic bone is capped at 60 but there's no point in going lower

amber hemlock
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I just want them in-game already so I can see the damages lol

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too many avies to check manually

shut sequoia
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It is 60 btw

idle briar
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I’ve seen some avatars with a glowing, rotating hologram (like a bracelet) around some avatars arms. How does one go about doing that?

amber hemlock
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Man I have my avatar down to 35771 tris. I can't find anything else to optimize

proud tulip
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Theyre going to be changing the upload limit to 70K soon so I wouldnt worry about it much

amber hemlock
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I know, I'm targetting 32K because green star

proud tulip
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mehh I love dynamic bones too much to worry about green stars

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Whats the point in being an anime girl if the boobs dont jiggle

amber hemlock
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I was 65536 for some inherently coincidental reason

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Cuz it's a male

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lol

proud tulip
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thigh jiggle?

amber hemlock
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nah

proud tulip
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butt jiggle?

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hair jiggle?

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tongue jiggle?

amber hemlock
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don't need it tbh

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didn't before the update, def don't need it now

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when the update hit, the only thing keeping me out of Very Good was the polygons so i figure what the heck i'll get my star

proud tulip
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I have an avatar where everything jiggles

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its horrifying and amazing

fierce copper
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ok how do I get a model out of unity and into blender

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with all the shits on it

proud tulip
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Also does anyone have an answer for @idle briar Cause Id like a link to the object people are using for it

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Its that same one people are using for the 'no erp zone' popup just resized right?

fluid turret
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this is it boys, after some testing, my group HAS figured it out

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this is what you need to strive for to achieve Excellent™ models

heady smelt
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anybody have the material combiner, tryna fix the 20 mats on mine?

fluid turret
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even nikei isn't This epic

restive kite
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the material combiner addon for blender keeps combining all the materials i excluded for the first atlas with the first atlas, even though i have it unchecked. any way i can stop this from happening?

wary relic
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Guess we going into blender boys

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Everything else is fine

fierce copper
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Wait seriously how can you take a project you need to tweak into blender?

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from unity

still perch
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you... take the model out of the assets folder (if you never had it in blender before)

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or else just work more on it in blender, export the model again and override the one in the assets folder

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depending on waht you do you might need to resetup some things (rig or the like)

fierce copper
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okie dokie

worn lantern
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@proud tulip The rotating bracelet is literally just a cylinder with a texture on it

mossy solar
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so it still counts your lowest instead of average

worn lantern
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Lmao

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"Subject to change"

cunning maple
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How do I remove the meshcollider from my avatar?

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Do I have to go back into Blender or can I do it in Unity?

heady smelt
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remove component in unity

cunning maple
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Where would that be located?

median birch
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is it better to put dynamic bone script in each individual ear or just put it on the head and exclude everything else beside the ears ?

heady smelt
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@cunning maple go to the game object that has the collider on it and click the little gear icon in the top right corner of the collider component

cunning maple
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Thanks, I'll see if I can find it

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I'm editing another model right now, so I'll do that when I can :3

cunning maple
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I cannot find it

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Even searching for it

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Oh

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I found it

ornate saffron
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@median birch I would put them in the ears. If you put it in the head the ears might bounce back and forth in a very un natural way when you move your head.

heady smelt
karmic condor
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I knew those couldn't be optimized the moment i saw them.

crystal sonnet
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I'm laughing at this new avatar performance system xD

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Everyones avatar is going to be poor or worse

fluid turret
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that's literally the first avatar I went and checked

crystal sonnet
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I just need to remove most of my dynamic bones and hand colliders and I'll be good

worn musk
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I should check mine

fluid turret
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and all my friends went to a private dance world and used it to see how much we could lag each other

crystal sonnet
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Think all my avatars are poor from the dynamic bones

fluid turret
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it was epic

heady smelt
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anybody else launching into publics that say they have people in it but when u load in its empty?

crystal sonnet
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Can only see people from current version

sweet mason
crystal sonnet
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It should be more of a median score

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Since one bad criteria ruins the rating

sweet mason
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you have dynamic bone, aright your fate is already decide

crystal sonnet
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If you dare have any dynamic bone colliders no very good rank for you xD

heady smelt
crystal sonnet
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OwO nice

halcyon vessel
sweet mason
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4 material excellent 🤔

crystal sonnet
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4 is the limit

halcyon vessel
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yea 4 is limit

crystal sonnet
halcyon vessel
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but got down to 4 lol

amber hemlock
balmy summit
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So, is everyone who makes big animations just gunna have poor stats guaranteed?

crystal sonnet
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Pretty much

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Rigid bodies are broken also

balmy summit
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Yep

timber blaze
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would depend on the animation

crystal sonnet
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So any animations that don't move with the avatar ... rip

amber hemlock
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if you want custom animations you really only need one custom animator, to trigger as many animations as you need; and that only sends you to out of Excellent into just "Good"

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but you can have up to 4 animators and remain Good, so what's the issue?

timber blaze
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that's more of a temporary fix, isn't it?

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since people are using that for spoofing their stat counts

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so it'd probably get changed

crystal sonnet
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Could likely bypass the dynamic bone checker if you changed some of its code also

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I'd be interested in looking into that imo

amber hemlock
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Modding the SDK is against the rules, and, it won't spoof your stats anyway?

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that's done clientside

crystal sonnet
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Not modding the sdk

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Just changing the dynamic bones script

timber blaze
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you can bypass everything in the performance system with only an animator

crystal sonnet
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So it's not recognised by the vrchatsdk

amber hemlock
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Pointless. The SDK doesn't upload your code. It replaces it with it's own copy of dynamic bone.

balmy summit
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Being under medium seem next almost impossible for big animators

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Without bypasses

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Lame

amber hemlock
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If the SDK doesn't recognize it as a dynamic bone script, it will simply be stripped out as a regular, non-whitelisted script, and not replaced with it's internal copy of dynamic bone

timber blaze
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i feel like if you're doing big animations, it's probably bad for performance and you'd only want to do them around friends anyway

amber hemlock
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the amount of animations doesn't really matter, its the amount of animators

balmy summit
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It fun for me to get reactions from pubs tho

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But ya

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Another reason to not go publics :/

timber blaze
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@amber hemlock i mean like those clickbait vrchat videos that are like "EPIC PARTICLE SYSTEM AVATAR SHOWCASE"

amber hemlock
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GPU particles are friends only

crystal sonnet
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Where's the option to block unoptimised (very poor) avatars by default :/

amber hemlock
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@crystal sonnet this is bait

timber blaze
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not talking about GPU particles, but ok

amber hemlock
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fyi Very Poor is renamed Horrible in the SDK code

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I giggled

knotty sable
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there needs to be a shader check as well or this system is pointless imo

amber hemlock
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no one said it was an end-all thing and

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if you find it's inaccurate

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ignore it?

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It doesn't effect anyone's ability to make and use avatars x)

balmy summit
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Lol

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Great system

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Defaults are poor

crystal sonnet
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Welp good enough for me

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I don't want to remove all my dynamic bones

balmy summit
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Does the system only show active mats?

fading rapids
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@balmy summit keep in mind just how old those default models are.

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We're talking before there were even 100 users at a time playing the game.

Performance wasn't a concern back then.

balmy summit
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I suppose

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But

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It has two issues

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Therfore poor?

crystal sonnet
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That's when everyone had defaut-ish avatars

fading rapids
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You are currently rated whatever your lowest category is, yes.

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If you have a category at "Very Poor," you will be "Very Poor."

somber beacon
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The fact the DEFAULTS are poor show how little this was actually thought through.

crystal sonnet
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Yeah, it should be category based

balmy summit
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My model that i use without anims is pretty optimized but has some active particles with high particle limit. Making me rank poor.

somber beacon
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The defaults should all be the best rating possible

balmy summit
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Seems bad

crystal sonnet
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Though would clutter the ui

somber beacon
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You know, to show us how it's done

knotty sable
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i like it i but i think a weighted average of some type would be better :3

balmy summit
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^

worn lantern
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Adeon what did you resort to on 32k or bust?

idle briar
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Can I add the rotating bracelet with a cylinder and animate it in unity instead of blender? can I add additions to my avatar in Unity in general?

amber hemlock
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I had to reduce my polys and get rid of my tail wag

worn lantern
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I'm not getting rid of anything

amber hemlock
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I'm not gonna actually USE it man, except maybe in public

worn lantern
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Lol

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I use whatever in public

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Mine is okay enough anyway

amber hemlock
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as long as you are better than the system default avatars, you're good to go

somber beacon
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I've said before, I'll say it again, things like audio source count should N O T be given the same impact on your rating as material count or cloth. Cloth is the worst by far, but they don't indicate that in any meaningful way. They just lump it with the rest.

amber hemlock
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Actually custom IK is the wrost

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_> I don't think it's tracked

worn lantern
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They discussed that a weight system will be added later down the line

somber beacon
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Fifteen audio sources with 0.5 second clips are rated worse than one source with a 15 minute clip also

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Lmao

worn lantern
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@somber beacon Need I mention KingTodd

amber hemlock
worn lantern
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He had an audio track on one of his avatars

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It was over 4 hours long lmao

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It was just white noise

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That was near inaudible

amber hemlock
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Checked most of my avatars on beta, mostly Good/Medium with a few Poor, no Horrible

worn lantern
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The trainer model was probably around Medium at best

heady smelt
worn lantern
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Bc of materials

somber beacon
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Rating based on the TYPE of component and not how actively it's used (or how much it actually impacts performance) is a little silly regardless

crystal sonnet
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OwO

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They blocked the unoptimized avatars?

somber beacon
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Can't that be monitored at runtime? Can't people be given a rating based on how much processing they're ACTUALLY using on other peoples' machines?

heady smelt
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map isnt public any more i got in here thru a portal on my friends map

crystal sonnet
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But that would take per avatar profiling likely server side

still perch
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you want to implemente a real time performance impact measurering system for every single avatar on the clients?

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holy hell

amber hemlock
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I honestly have no problem with the system tbh

crystal sonnet
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Yeah it's decent we don't need insane stats

amber hemlock
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the limits for Medium avatars is very fair

crystal sonnet
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Yeah it's reasonable to get into good

worn lantern
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@still perch Maybe not realtime

still perch
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eh I'd love to see the db count be 50 which is max tollerated on public pedestrals aswell if im not wrong

crystal sonnet
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Just remove most of your dynamic bones xD

worn lantern
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But still a weight system would be better than this

crystal sonnet
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It's just a first release dw

still perch
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yeah

crystal sonnet
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They'll likely improve it in a few months

amber hemlock
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i kind of assumed medium WAS the public pedistal requirement

heady smelt
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Oh no im going to get flagged for having multiple avatars inside of an avatar

somber beacon
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@still perch Not every single one, serverside. Instead, the client tells the server if a particular avatar is problematic, and if enough clients say that to the server, the user responsible is notified or marked somehow

amber hemlock
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is it not?

still perch
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hiro no

amber hemlock
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it would simplify things to say "public avatars must be medium or better"

still perch
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NEVER TRUST CLIENTS

wicked void
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^

crystal sonnet
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Yup xD

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Too unreliable

worn lantern
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Modifying a client to tell the server

somber beacon
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Modifying the client is already bannable right?

still perch
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ofc it is

worn lantern
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"Hey this avatar's great vrclike"

still perch
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and yet it will be abused

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and is

worn lantern
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has a crasher

amber hemlock
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"Hey this avatar's great Excellent "

still perch
somber beacon
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Or perhaps if a user's game stalls, it measures what everyone's impact was at the time of the stalling behavior

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So if one person is killing the server

still perch
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nerver

amber hemlock
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Noticing uh... Unity's being pretty slow at uploading. Servers overloaded?

still perch
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trust

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clients

worn lantern
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Server's overloaded, too much chair

somber beacon
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Why are we trusting clients to upload things then. Oh, wait, this system kinda shows there's not much trust there either 😛

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I jest

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We'll have to see

amber hemlock
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Most crash stuff isn't related to avatar render performence

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that's stuff like "spawn infinite things"

somber beacon
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Or GPU attacks via particle systems

amber hemlock
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I've said from the beginning it's important to separate render cost from ... abusive avatar stuff.

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This feature is about how well made your avatar is

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it's not meant to mark crashers or things like that

somber beacon
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As seen from the default avatars though, well made is subjective

amber hemlock
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Well if you can be better than the system avatars you're good to go

somber beacon
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That's what I think they need to do, is my point

worn lantern
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By the way

somber beacon
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They need to remake the defaults

worn lantern
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I CALLED IT

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Default Nikei isn't "Very Good"

somber beacon
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Or the system is just gonna look silly

worn lantern
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Or rather

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"Excellent"

somber beacon
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All defaults should be Excellent

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If some CAN'T be

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Delete them

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Don't set a precedent

worn lantern
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Nikei should stay

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No matter what

amber hemlock
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Don't touch the child

somber beacon
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If they want to have people gut their avatars for this system

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They should do the same to their own

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Only fair right?

worn lantern
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I'm not gutting mine so

rotund bison
amber hemlock
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Most of them are only rated poor because of the multiple skinned mesh renders, it would only take a few seconds to set them up as a single rig

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if you inspect their stats, they're mostly Excellent

worn lantern
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@rotund bison it's hiding

amber hemlock
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except the skinned mesh / material count

somber beacon
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@amber hemlock So then watch this NOT be fixed, and remain silly

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Despite being easy

amber hemlock
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Isn't it better for them to be poor? that way you can say "hey, i'm better than the system avatars"

rotund bison
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i know but how i can find it

worn lantern
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@rotund bison Fr though click your model file

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Like where you would click Rig

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But instead

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Click Materials

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Click the first dropdown

amber hemlock
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I think if this feature was around on day 1 there wouldn't have been an uproar

worn lantern
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And hit "Use External Materials (Legacy)"

somber beacon
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@amber hemlock Making the defaults poor makes it look like they don't actually care about their own system enough to use it as a guideline, that's what I'm saying. It could reinforce people not caring about it.

rotund bison
worn lantern
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Yes that, and wow

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Use less materials m8

amber hemlock
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Well, I don't want to put words in their mouth but i don't actually think they did care. they're just an asortment of avatars thrown in before VRChat got super popular

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I'm sure there will be better defaults by the time it's out of early access

worn lantern
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Yea

somber beacon
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Well, one way or another, they represent VRC now

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They represent the average avatar

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That's what a default is for

amber hemlock
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I think you're overthinking it

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give this two weeks after release for it to all blow over

somber beacon
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Consciously yes, subconsciously no. People tend to interpret "default" as a starting point, not as a place to work backwards from

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But yeah, we will see

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All the edge case avatars with poor ratings that look fine are gonna be funny

rotund bison
worn lantern
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Just hit apply don't do anything else

rotund bison
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alright

rotund bison
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why there don't have dynamic bone ?, i'm already added. I'm using dynamic bone v1.2.0

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patent leaf
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@rotund bison
restart Unity and check that console tab

rotund bison
patent leaf
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I would press the Go Ahead, but I don't know what this means

rotund bison
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the setting of vrchat sdk is gone

rose hatch
heady smelt
patent leaf
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@rotund bison Are you using the latest SDK?

karmic condor
wide breach
karmic condor
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Thing is loli that is the kind of stuff we are trying to find and fix.

wide breach
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what do u mean

patent leaf
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Because they want no colliders, Very Good and Good is 0. Medium is max 4 colliders and 8 collision

karmic condor
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Did you know you had that before?

wide breach
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i bought this avatar from someone

karmic condor
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oof

wide breach
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yea...

karmic condor
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Do you have the files?

wide breach
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yes

patent leaf
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GG :>

karmic condor
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Do you know your way around unity at all

wide breach
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tiny bit, i started useing unity about a month ago

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i know the very basics

karmic condor
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I'd start by removing only unnecessary dynamic bone colliders

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Any missing colliders will appear as a error missing on dynamic bones.

idle briar
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I'm animating an armband that spins in a loop but I'm having trouble with slowing down the rotation speed. tips?

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shoot wrong channel haha

halcyon vessel
hollow fog
halcyon vessel
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one good thing about thing update we dont need destory the panties lol

wide breach
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Alease, do you know the mmd dance name she quickly showed in the video?

halcyon vessel
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@wide breach best ask @hollow fog

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lol

obtuse raptor
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TFW You want to reduce 96 bones to 75 but your only options are hair and skirt

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This is like playing a balancing act haha

hollow fog
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Hey @wide breach ! The dance is Build our machine

wide breach
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oh, thank you!!

hollow fog
wide breach
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sweet, thx!!

rotund bison
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@patent leaf yes

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i'm using latest SDK

sweet mason
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And?

drifting shore
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time to optimize 80k polys, 34 materials and 100+ dynamic bones.

sweet mason
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Material are not an accuse.

drifting shore
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hm

sweet mason
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Even if you want some weird shader

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You can atlas almost all of them

drifting shore
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ik

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that's what im saying

sweet mason
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And your folder look a lots more clean

drifting shore
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animations UwU

marsh trail
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After shotaryia's utility i kinda just got different mats (on my newest ones) for added objects that were added in-unity that couldn't be added via blendor

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I probably won't touch my old ones though, especially when i don't even have .blends of ehm anymore, and ye olde legacy animations

drifting shore
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i gonna merge my head into one Material and the clothes into one if possible

marsh trail
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Manual atlasing is just too tedious for me, and i'm the kinda person that always got all their models to below 20k with minimal quality-loss via both blender and manual decimation

obtuse raptor
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I've personally been using shotaryia's for now, I haven't checked the newer CATS's version, and my attempts of manual atlus have yielded monstrous results currently. oathCry

marsh trail
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But that's just my opinion of course

drifting shore
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is it easy to do manual atlasing? Not home so i can't watch the video, also do i need to overwrite the fbx or change texture only?

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i saw the vid on the list

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just cant watch rn

marsh trail
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Fbx needs an override, it's editing the UV afterall

drifting shore
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ah okay. Hope it's not going to break.

mossy solar
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poor ratings due to collision checks on most of my avatars

marsh trail
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I don't dare touch fbx's anymore, somehow i have 50/50 chance of breaking it royally

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Editing ehm that is

mossy solar
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I have very good in all but the dynamic bones stuff

marsh trail
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Yep, in any way shape or form

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Also i manually fix all my rigs so CATS is out the window there

vestal brook
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Why is Unity and the game different in numbers?

marsh trail
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Doing things manually is definitively the way to go most of the times, you'll learn alot about the processes involved in it

proven hinge
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I just like how you can have two things in the red and then your avatar is rated very poor omegalul

marsh trail
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Hell i made 2 model replacements for L4D2 due to my manual knowledge

patent leaf
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@vestal brook
Do you have snail marker? It could cause it I believe .

marsh trail
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(There was like 1-2 tutorials on using blender for L4D2 models and they were beyond outdated, so i had to look at a 7-9 parter vid tutorial for 3dsmax and port that knowledge into the blender environment)

vestal brook
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i have it

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But after talking about this, I came back.

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wtf

marsh trail
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Which worked mooostly fine, with some minor setbacks

vestal brook
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wtf

marsh trail
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Welp

vestal brook
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what the fuck going on

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my all avatar got orange

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Numbers also differ from Unity.

warm egret
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does anyone of you know why CATS plugin doesnt recognize all my bone parents so i can actually parant my bone chains?

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marsh trail
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The thing is, i never used 3dsmax, i just took what i saw in the video and assigned it to blender based on past experiences like bone locations, rotations, weight values and what should and shouldn't bend, etcetera

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It took me roughly 3-5 days to get it to work

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In a nutshell, source models are a pain in the arse to mod

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But back on topic as i went into a looong tangent

calm spade
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They're even larger in Unity

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@vestal brook Did you click on the correct part in Unity ? Or did reuploading fix it ?

mossy solar
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all the materials! AHHHHHHH!

marsh trail
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Aye, and you should definitively give it a try yourself in a game of your choice, it's so refreshing to add a sense of self-customization onto a game you love to play, gives it a whole new feel, be it a retexture, remodel or hell, even a complete audio modification of something as basic (or complex) as footsteps, and that is kinda why i love the modding communities out there
//the actual end of the tangent foh reals

sweet mason
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I use moslly mobile asset.so they have 2 texture one for the face and one for the body. The cats do a good job.

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But

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Yeah

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If your model have more. In that case manual are better

marsh trail
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Welp, expecting an issue announcement on login issues soon

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Usersouport is havin' it bad today

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That or steam's servers be iffy

marsh trail
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Yep... i know the feel well

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It's like you work so hard to get something really going well on one point and the other points overshadow everything else

sweet mason
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Do it

hollow fog
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Atlasing is super easy you check which ones you want to be merged then press combine!

finite robin
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does anyone know how to lower the bounds size on the snail marker???

hollow fog
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Things you can do in blender to optimize your character:
-separate materials and decimate individual items this will allow you to yourself under the poly limit and before you say its too many poly I cant get it below, I decimated a 500k poly mmd avatar to 35k no issues looks just as good.
-Atlas your materials, this is simple. In the drop down menu select the ones you want to merge and click make atlas. You now have 1 material instead of 20
-Merge your hair bones. So instead of having 100 you have 15.

marsh trail
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I'm still astounded by models that even leverage 50 bones for their hairs, i only found like... two so far that i've ever worked with

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No kidding

fluid turret
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imagine being the person weightpainting it, that's a labor of love

marsh trail
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And pain

fluid turret
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no matter what you use 50 bones working with hair mesh is still a stink

marsh trail
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I do have an example of one that might've even gone over that tho, the hairs were literally tubes of polygons to an exceeding degree of overkill

fluid turret
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I'm lucky all the models I've rigged from scratch thus far have either been creatures or relatively short haired

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that's icky

marsh trail
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It had possibly anywhere between 10-15 chains of hair bones

hollow fog
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Things you can do in unity to optimise your avatar in unity:
-Use shaders that are low latency.

  • use ANIMATE PHYSICS not NORMAL on your script. Normal creates new bone physics instead of using the physics (bones) already pre existing. Learn how to use curves instead of high settings. Use 1 script on your hair. The easiest way to do so create a empty game object on the head, then break the prefab and throw all your hair pieces into it.
    -make 1 massive collider instead of a million colliders.
marsh trail
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Can't recall for sure

bold basin
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Did we figure out how to make seats?

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Gotta get a seat on my model during a hand gesture

marsh trail
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More than a script is fine, but there is so much as overkill when it comes to it, as far as resource-intensive i'd call it negligeble and will worsen hair physics or bound a user to specific settings to avoid said worsened physics

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As dynamic bones pivot based on the root bone

hollow fog
fluid turret
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I used to make root bones in blender for almost everything so I only needed one script, it's pretty finicky, sometimes it's good sometimes it just looks bad, placement is important

hollow fog
fluid turret
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I don't really do it anymore

marsh trail
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I tend to use 0.1/0.1/0.4/0.6 on most of mine, without any distribution values

hollow fog
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as long as its added on the head and moved to the top of the head the fall should be fine

marsh trail
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The fall?

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Mhm that's what it's doing

hollow fog
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Yep and fall means gravity

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or force

marsh trail
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I'd avoid breaking prefabs just for that, but it is a way to do it

hollow fog
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I use negative fall so it simulates it as it would in rl

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hair doesnt stay still

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gravity is the pull up

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force is the pull down

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hold up let me move her around

ripe tulip
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ya i combine all like like dy systems into root bones

marsh trail
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Force pushes the bones in an axis, end offset sorta adds an extra bone in the chain iirc?

ripe tulip
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just duplicate the UV Data from its parent bone

marsh trail
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I mean they seem to he familiar with gravity and force so they might explain it better

ripe tulip
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or even just dont use any UV data on the root bone

marsh trail
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From what i recall though, both force and gravity can pull the bones up or down depending on positive or negative values

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I tried using force as gravity hated me haha

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Didn't work either, so now they both hate me

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Huh

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The more you know huh unity?

hollow fog
marsh trail
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Neat

hollow fog
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but thats the settings I posted earlier

marsh trail
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Aye it looks pretty neat

hollow fog
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play with your curves. Curves make it look nicer

marsh trail
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Not too fond of it for most of my models as i prefer a more instant-return and maybe sway/bop before such but it looks pretty good regardless

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Talkin' about the one previous btw

hollow fog
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yes

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use radius dist too

marsh trail
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It allows you to set a sort of altering strenght value, kinda like weight painting but with 4 dials

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Not on a per-bone basis but by a linear value in a sense throughout the start and end

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An example of what can be done is having a very sway-y mid-section of a string and that string having a very heavy object attached to it, in theory you could make the stright move alot but keep the bottom relatively unmoved

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Not the best of examples but my potato of a brain isn't cutting me any slack haha

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Unsure, distribution is very trial/error-ish so i'd guess you'd have far more mileage testing the waters, but there might be some vids out there

hollow fog
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I'm currently doing a video on dynamic bones I'll let you know when its uploaded

sonic wolf
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how do i upload a skin

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i think i need to update it or something idk how thou

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can anyone help me?

hollow fog
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skin?

marsh trail
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Probably means model

sonic wolf
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idk

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i got a vr headset and i want a avatar for it too

marsh trail
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"Skins" tend to derive from customization in some games, be it mods or in-game cosmetics

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So probably a model/avatar

sonic wolf
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yeah

marsh trail
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Not trying to send you off anywhere, but you'll most likely get alot more help on the #avatars-2-general channel for such

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If nothing comes of it, there are many youtube tutorials out there that will explain it mostly indepth made by the community

sonic wolf
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ok thank you ❤

past dock
teal juniper
#

so are we allowed to have capsule colliders on avatars?

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@sudden jewel

marsh trail
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Wait mesh colliders are no longer allowed?

teal juniper
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at least on new sdk

halcyon vessel
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use capsule collider with cloth

teal juniper
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@crisp bluff @pliant heart can you confirm whether capsule colliders are not allowed anymore on avatars or not?

halcyon vessel
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you can use capluse collder

teal juniper
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Or is it just the bug on new sdk that confuses capsule collider with mesh collider?

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@halcyon vessel I did. I never use mesh collider themselves for cloth

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but why such an error?

halcyon vessel
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i have connect to leg

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that capsule collider

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so cant use clothes

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on avatar

teal juniper
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no cloth on avatar is fine

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i will reinstall new sdk then re-check everything

sudden jewel
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@teal juniper Type "t:MeshCollider" in your search bar above heirarchy

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you have one somewhere

hollow fog
heady smelt
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IS there a new SDK cause I redownloaded it but my upload doesn't look like that. 🤔

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@hollow fog I think exclusions also count in dynamic bones, so if you have any that might be why.

hollow fog
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no exclusions

finite robin
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@hollow fog have you try'd using pumkins avatar tool to see how many you have to be sure

hollow fog
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hand counted theres 8 bones in the chain

finite robin
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did you just update that avatar because ive notice it keeps jumping back and displaying the old stats when i update

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fix's itself after a bit though

hollow fog
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I dont know where its coming from

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like

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nothing else in there matters only whats in the script

finite robin
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yeah ok if that game object is your root only the children of it should be counted

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where the other script though your stats say you have 2

hollow fog
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on the tail but that only has 3

sour cipher
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would this cause problems for other people

hollow fog
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merge your meshes

finite robin
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yep merge them takes 2 seconds

sour cipher
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Which means I have alot to do

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And I can't alter parts easily

patent leaf
sour cipher
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but oh well

hollow fog
heady smelt
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118227???

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How do you even manage that size o-o

patent leaf
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There was a 300k earlier

heady smelt
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What the heck.

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Mine are still under 40k

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Jesus

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And that's all without decimation.

finite robin
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most likely has a bunch of high poly props

patent leaf
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Yea, the avatar had swords or something on its back

heady smelt
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@hollow fog Does dragging your bones under a game object not affect them?

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Parent wise and all.

hollow fog
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It did but its calculating them as two bones

heady smelt
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So any amount of cloth makes it poor.

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That's a feel bad.

agile gust
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kinda a shame like to me it feels like its starting to reach point where its being pushed to essentially just have static avatars

heady smelt
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It's 400 poly's of cloth. And everything else is green

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So my avatar is just poor for 1 tiny thing.

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Whatever, I like my cloth.

hollow vault
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; - ; when you're just over 70k by a few hundred

shut sequoia
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Alease it's the multiple scripts

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did anyone say that yet

hushed vortex
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ratign shoudl be basedo n weights not on exceeding one parameter

shut sequoia
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it should be but they know we want this, it's on the cannnyy

hushed vortex
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for example all green, 3 zellow and 2 red shouldnt be verz poor but average

shut sequoia
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basically some people aregetting "bad" transform counts due to multiple scripts on bone chains

hushed vortex
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give cannz linkó

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give canny link*

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yep

shut sequoia
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Example: 5 bones in 1 hair chain. 1 script on root = 5 transforms. 1 script on EACH BONE (i see this a lot i do it) = 25 transforms

hushed vortex
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i have avatar with toggle that is 200k polys but is not ocunted in the stats

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same some inactive elements are

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bs

shut sequoia
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yeah my friend just did that

hushed vortex
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and beta wow, 8 h i bet they gonna push today

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because nothign better than pushing before weekend /s

shut sequoia
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wha

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betas over

hushed vortex
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yup shows us what devs thinks of the community

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found the canny

shut sequoia
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they listened to the community tho lol they as a whole found lots of bugs and lots were fixed

hushed vortex
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cloning feature is completely not needed

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it woudl be better to expand favourities to for example 9

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and give us gifting

shut sequoia
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why? my friends have been having lots of fun

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gifting is good its been mentioned by them before actually

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imo i dont like expandg favorites. it makes it harder for "bad" wrld avatars to leave rotation

drifting shore
amber hemlock
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New people coming in where the ranking system has always been around won't really care

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That's the perspective I look at it from

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people only hate it because it's new

agile gust
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new people arent coming in though

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the playerbase is dropping

amber hemlock
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Tags disagree

drifting shore
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yup

amber hemlock
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I see plenty of greys and blues

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and usercount is going up not down

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it's almost double what it was last year

agile gust
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no it isntr

drifting shore
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well veterans quit and russians with annoying music join.

velvet spoke
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the playerbase is rising.

hollow fog
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@shut sequoia its green for scripts.

austere patrol
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Is this still about optimization? :)

amber hemlock
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Yes, he said the ranking system will make people leave

agile gust
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average players for this month is 5k last month is 6k

drifting shore
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i ain't block people for having a poor optimizing but others will do.

hollow fog
velvet spoke
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avg players this month is 6142.

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also it depends on what time span you look at. from march to now we constantly grew.

agile gust
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not according to charts

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we had some growth but also lot as much

velvet spoke
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5417 to 6142 is not a rise in players apparently

agile gust
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well your chart is different to one im looking at

velvet spoke
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im looking at offical steam charts.

agile gust
amber hemlock
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If people are wiling to block over an unoptimized avatar, they probably were going to block you over something equally stupid/trivial down the line any way, not worth talking to those kinds of people.

shut sequoia
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where are the scriptsts @hollow fog

agile gust
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well your charts are different

amber hemlock
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They are saving you the trouble of getting to know them.

hollow fog
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components are scripts

shut sequoia
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no i mean on your avatar

hollow fog
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two game objects

drifting shore
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well still gonna optimize

hollow fog
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one for head parts

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the other for the tail

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😃

drifting shore
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time to optimize my 10k poly Nikkei with 1 Material

shut sequoia
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so whats showup wrong? sorry iv been drinking and it got drowned out

hollow fog
shut sequoia
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ok, so one script is on Tail and one is on Hair?

velvet spoke
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How is it counting wrong

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colliders double the bone transforms of all affected bones.

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thats correct behaviour

celest grail
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well

hollow fog
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hand counted how many its literally counting 19 for 8

amber hemlock
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I see two kinds of discussions here.

Discussion 1: "Oh my god we get sent to Very Poor just by using a few dynamic bones!"
Discussion 2: "Oh my god people are going to block me for being Very Poor!"

velvet spoke
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any collider affecting a dyn bone will double its transform count

tender sundial
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I assume the SDK always reporting 0 for dynamic bone stuff is a common thing

celest grail
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the ranking system discourages me from making animations ever again

shut sequoia
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it should be counting 16, for one

velvet spoke
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its correct behaviour

drifting shore
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Yep

velvet spoke
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@shut sequoia 2 colliders bud,

hollow fog
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its also counting 2 coliders but theres only one

shut sequoia
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oh ty

celest grail
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it's almost impossible to keep a good animation under 4 meshes and 4 materials

shut sequoia
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OK benci I got an easy guide so watch

drifting shore
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well that's true

shut sequoia
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Make 1 avatar. Duplicate it. On one, do all the animations

amber hemlock
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you really only need one material per shader. atlas everything else

shut sequoia
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on the other, don't. upload them both. one for publics, one for "showing off"

hollow fog
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^this is what I do

velvet spoke
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Ive got an even easier guide, just make it and ignore the rating like 90% of people will do now.

shut sequoia
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that or ignore the rating yes but if you REALLY care lol

drifting shore
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already for one particle system you need 2 Materials

velvet spoke
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The rating per se isnt a problem, people are making it a problem tbh

hollow fog
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its a meme

celest grail
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i only care because if it's poor then people will block anyways. no point of having any animations

shut sequoia
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OK so what? Make one WITH the showoffy stuff and make one WITHOUT it. E Z. CTRL+D in Unity, you're welcome

velvet spoke
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@celest grail nobodies gonna block shit if they have poor themselves.

shut sequoia
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ok then give up after being given a solution XD

celest grail
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it's not a solution...

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it's a quick "fix"

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but it doesn't solve anything

shut sequoia
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Do yo uwant to show off? then show off to people who care and want to see it

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those that dont wil lblock you either way

hollow fog
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this is the same discussion that people had when the trust system came in

celest grail
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i already have 2 separate avatars

shut sequoia
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yeah im actually done even though ive said im done like 10 times

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closing discord GL Sai ❤

amber hemlock
#

What people think ranking is like: "Oh my god, you are using 5 dynamic bone colliders? I'M BLOCKING YOU!"
What ranking is actually like: "Lol, this avatar makes me very poor just for using 5 dynamic bone colliders. Look at how silly this is"

celest grail
#

cya mic

shut sequoia
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👋

tender sundial
#

very poor for only 5? 😐

agile gust
#

or you know they go oh look its this avatar causing the lag cause its set as poor yet it was actually that excellent avatar using a shit shader

amber hemlock
#

depends on collisions, it's just an example

agile gust
#

the system is bad when it doesnt even pickup some of the biggest fps hitters

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like i could make a ball with fur shader on that lags people more than any poor avatar

celest grail
#

a crasher could be excellent

velvet spoke
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You cant analyze shaders, they get compiled on runtime.

tender sundial
#

I have a few green stars in my collection but it's always stuff without any dynamic stuff at all

agile gust
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and thats where the issue is

austere patrol
#

Then you can still turn off their shaders or their avatar and not instantly block the whole person

velvet spoke
#

So? You get an icon displayed on your nameplate that no one cares about.

tender sundial
#

so now what would be nice is a replacement for dynamic bone that doesn't use dynamic bone 🤔

velvet spoke
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Nothing is.

agile gust
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there is no replacement

velvet spoke
#

You can try rigidbodies but ur not gonna get a good result.

drifting shore
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clothes component

velvet spoke
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dyn bones is the only whitelisted script.

agile gust
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they would rather us just have static avatars

celest grail
#

but we'll see how it turns out. i didn't like the trust sytem when it came out but now i kinda like it

hollow fog
#

it counts rigid bodies

celest grail
#

let's hope they tweak it a bit

tender sundial
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I get caned for my one rigidbody which is only there because world space particles don't work without it

hollow fog
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you are suppost to have 0 rigid bodies

amber hemlock
#

The main problem here is people are saying the system is bad because they can't use it to judge other people's avatar choices. You aren't. This is just some feedback for making good avatars. Just because it's rated good doesn't mean it's ACTUALLY good, but if it's bad, it gives you steps to improve it.

tender sundial
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if IKFollower ever gets fixed 🤔

velvet spoke
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Clap people Clap dont Clap care Clap about Clap ratings Clap ingame Clap

agile gust
#

but its not always "bad" even though its set as poor

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it does need a weighted system

amber hemlock
#

@velvet spoke I'd pin this if i could

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Everyone acts like there's people out there gonna block "Very Poor" avatars. These people do not exist. The ones that do are just nutters.

velvet spoke
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The system is just a hint for where you gotta look, not an auto block, calm the fuck down dudes LUL

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If you get blocked by your performance rank its the same ignorant people that block for rank back with the trust system

tender sundial
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I think it's true that people don't care about it, but right now it's a meme so people are bitching about it

velvet spoke
#

just block those idiots and be over with it.

tender sundial
#

in a week nobody will probably be saying "optimise your avatar" anymore

velvet spoke
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someone that sorts people after performance ranks is not somebody i wanna be friends with anyway

hollow fog
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^^^

amber hemlock
#

Some of the system avatars are rated poor for crepes sake, no one's gonna care

tender sundial
#

it's hard to diagnose my issues anyway because the SDK isn't giving me the same rating as the game 😐

agile gust
#

my issue isnt with the stats system itself just it needs working on. the whole it not picking up everything disabled needs to be fixed, also it needs a weighting system which i dont understand why the "open" beta wasnt even for a day leave it up for a week or 2 then release it with fixes after christmas

austere patrol
#

If I remember correctly their doc says that it's nothing final and it will be worked on it and changes will be made over time considering reviews and stuff

restive pelican
#

tmw the cause of having "Very Poor" is because of the christmas decoration you put on your avatar

tender sundial
#

in the meantime it would be good if the counts in the SDK at least matched what happens in-game 🤔

#

is there a pending SDK update to fix it which hasn't dropped yet, perhaps, but it was fixed at the last minute for the game itself

celest grail
#

i deleted all of my avatars

#

let's start in an excellent rating lmao

tidal river
#

Personally I kind of wish Secondlife had stuff like this ages ago

balmy summit
#

Epic

tender sundial
#

I feel like I could aim for Medium for my main but at the moment the path there is a bit unclear

quaint walrus
#

lmao

tender sundial
#

though I have determined that I could cunningly clone dynamic bone scripts and reduce collider interactions to only a few places

grim kiln
#

Jupp, this is what optimizations is for, though colliders only get you to medium, but that is good enough for most

tender sundial
#

I don't think getting it to less than 8 is practical though 🤔

grim kiln
#

Ears or tail

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Your choice

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:p

static pelican
#

Put in Blender. Merge meshes. Export?

grim kiln
#

I would add ears and try optimize the tail to only have a few DB

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3 max

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Ears for interactions 2

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With 2 colliders thats 4 interactions each ear, thats 8

tender sundial
#

ears and tails both seem easy, it's things like normal hair which are trouble

grim kiln
#

Ye, but hair is wonky from the start

tender sundial
#

especially when you have a fringe and you're trying to stop it going through your head

grim kiln
#

Just try to find an good curve in the scripts

tender sundial
#

tried

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really what I'd like is "dynamic but only moves in one direction" or something

grim kiln
#

You cannot fix it based on running, as the speed is inconsistant

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So fix it based on normal head movement

static pelican
#

Dynamic bones should have an axis setting?

grim kiln
#

Ye, but it is not the best option as you cannot add more than 1 axis

tender sundial
#

that freezes the axis but what I want is it moves along all axes but not backwards on Z

grim kiln
#

Ye thats the problem

tender sundial
#

so the hair can move away from the head but not inside it

#

it would still look wrong but it might be good enough

grim kiln
#

You would like to isolate 1 direction

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You should have an option as joints have

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They can have angle of movement

tender sundial
#

it's too bad I can't do it with a joint

grim kiln
#

You can, but it would require some work

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Each bone needs custom setup

tender sundial
#

joints themselves count against performance so I'm not sure I could

grim kiln
#

But rigid bodies would anyway pull you down

tender sundial
#

yeah

#

and that's fair because as far as I've tested, real physics does perform worse than dynamic bone

grim kiln
#

Yep, though dynamic bone is mad also, its all based on how much the bones move of poligons

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So if it is low polly movement then dynamic bones wont hit that much performance, but will still require calculations

tender sundial
#

skinning costs no matter how many of them are affected by the dynamic bone, surely

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what I found with dynamic bone testing was that a bunch of the cost was in maths, and some significant % of the cost was in unnecessary object construction

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so if they were more conservative about constructing throw-aways, it would run faster

grim kiln
#

They are thinking of ways to reduce the DB script hit, but who knows how to reduce something that need to be simulated..

tender sundial
#

the throw-aways are a good starting point but once you chip away at it a bit by removing those, you're left with just maths

grim kiln
#

Just change the update rate of the scripts

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You wouldnt need much more than 24fps

tender sundial
#

that's one option

grim kiln
#

Tight now its standard 60fps

tender sundial
#

too bad doing that won't just divide my dynamic bone performance scores XD

grim kiln
#

I pull only 60 on my ears as it has colliders

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But the rest is now 24

#

Ye :p

tender sundial
#

I think I figured out why the SDK can't count the dynamic bones anyway

grim kiln
#

Would be nice to have some tracking of that too

#

Ah, nice.

tender sundial
#

there's a bit where it does some reflection to get the dynamic bone classes and fields, and it looks like it fails to look up the last one because it doesn't have the generic parameters that they expected

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collidersFieldInfo.FieldType.GetGenericArguments().Single() != dyBoneColliderType // false

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collidersFieldInfo.FieldType.GetGenericArguments().Single() is DynamicBoneColliderBase

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dyBoneColliderType is DynamicBoneCollider

grim kiln
#

You could hit them up with an update of your finds.

tender sundial
#

it could be that I'm running the wrong version of Dynamic Bone. I'm on the latest one and maybe VRChat isn't

grim kiln
#

Hmm

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Any new script what?

tender sundial
#

fixed in my local copy and now it shows the counts. the counts are wrong, but .. aeh

heady smelt
#

1 night of vrchat and im shook at the material count on all most of my friends omg

safe swift
#

use quad

thin cedar
#

Use an unlit shader, ofc.

safe swift
#

i think it's going to be the norm to have poor/very poor ava

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and hopefully people don't care too m uch, as most ppl don't understand what the numbers are, or that the system is informative and it takes the WORST and not active

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i would even say, misinformative system when displaying rank

vocal river
#

same ^^

safe swift
#

you can easily get into public world limit with 50 dyn bones on ava

vocal river
#

everything else is at excellent or wth it's named but the dynamic bones takes me to poor lmao

safe swift
#

long hair can be done into 3 bones, short hair needs 1 bone (they usually are 2-3)

#

u can make that into like 5-7~

vocal river
#

people won't really care about the performance ranking except the normies

safe swift
#

i've personally removed all colliders, cuz they do absolutely nothing, you maybe use colliders 0.1% of the time to touch your stuff, if coliders are used to stop clipping then ppl are doing their values wrong

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but then again, I stopped caring about hair clipping long ago

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my hair values that I use now do not need any colliders to not clip, as for long hair - really who cares..

heady smelt
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i can careless about peoples dynamic bones but the fact that we can see ppls material slots is shocking and cant be denied

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i think 80% of the ppl i ran into toniught were 20+ material slots wtf

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even my own friends

safe swift
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well, majority do not do any optimization, NOBODY cares about it, it started changing with public avatar world rules

heady smelt
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ppl who come to parties with large amounts of ppl attending are using 20+ material slots

safe swift
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and not only material slots, but also multiple meshes active by default

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when ppl dont know how to use blender and slap some shit on in unity

heady smelt
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im not aware of the implications of multi meshes but 30+ materials is just str8 un acceptable

safe swift
regal spire
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You also have to be aware that it (I think) will count materials on disabled objects, so an avatar might use an animation that has 10+ materials when the avatar might otherwise be considered optimised.

heady smelt
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Well i highly bought ppl have animations that require 20+ materials

regal spire
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Fair enough I suppose, I also don't really expect a lot of avatars at party events to be carrying heavy animations either.

cosmic scaffold
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it has 8-9 materials, 4 dynamic bones , one collider and it's under 20k

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G G devs

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"poorly optimized avatar" sure

gritty vortex
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Nice let's kill this game :)

cosmic scaffold
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and no i'm not gonna atlas it, it's just gonna ruin the texture

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i'm just waiting for one person to tell me how unoptimized it is

spring girder
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actually new version of texture atlas doesn't ruin the texture anymore

cosmic scaffold
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i literally did it today lol

spring girder
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what did happen?

cosmic scaffold
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sec lemme find the screenshot

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meh i can't find it lemme reopen unity

spring girder
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Is it world?

cosmic scaffold
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pretty sure there shouldn't be a difference

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or what, is it ok if it does it on worlds?

spring girder
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as I know texture atlas is for skinned mesh renderer

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not for mesh renderer

cosmic scaffold
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i did it with the normal blender way of doing it to

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too*

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came out the same

spring girder
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well doesn't happen to me and idk what exactly happened to you. i'm sorry.

wispy berry
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did u change the textures settings in unity?

amber hemlock
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@cosmic scaffold atlasing avatars does not visually change the avatars appearance in any way. Neither does reducing the materials, both of which are why your avatar is poor. Not doing this makes your avatar worse than it could be and reduces framrate for those who see you. I don’t know why you think the rating is unjustified. Unlike the real world if you were a content creator for a game company, You are free to use the avatar without making it better. I’m not going to tell you to fix you avatar, but accept the rating.

wispy berry
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can try changing max size, higher quality compression

cosmic scaffold
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@amber hemlock what if i'm trying to make something different? instead of the typical one mesh basic avatar? i'll just be blocked because it's "poor quality"

wary relic
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Then make it but have one for public and private worlds

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Most people dont want unoptimized avatars when making new frineds

cosmic scaffold
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why would i want to make my avatar public?

spring girder
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Not public for public channel

cosmic scaffold
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m8 i literally have done 3 minutes long animation in public worlds

lament oar
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He meant an avatar YOU can use in public and one for when you are in private worlds

cosmic scaffold
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and no one complained of lag

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animations*

spring girder
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Animation doesnt cause lag

wary relic
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If you get a backpack
Fill it up with 10 Kilo (base game)
Add two more kilo and its nothing bad (your avatar)
Do that x20 for a public world
Congratz you have a back pack you cant carry or also known as a game that laggs

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Reduce that two kilo times one or even 0.5 and its better
The direct effect is still nothing- The larger sceme

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is*

spring girder
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Particle does light does and material does

cosmic scaffold
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particle animation i mean

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dude pls, literally no one ever EVER complined about lag around me

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even when doing particle animations

spring girder
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because some person just ignore you, block your avatar, or go somewhere else

wary relic
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Stay in your own bubble then my dude
I cant even think of another way to explain why its bad

spring girder
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it doesn't mean it's okay

cosmic scaffold
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this is gust us beeing restricted because they don't wanna fix the game's issue

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i can do atlasing whenever i want

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but i'm not gonna make my avatars look simplistic as hell just cuz ppl will drop 3 frames

wary relic
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Please explain what game parts are unoptimized then?

cosmic scaffold
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oh boy that's a list, API, the bullshit CPU and many more, lemme see if there's a list cuz i feel like someone made one

spring girder
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bullshit cpu = the number of material exactly

wary relic
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Well- Throw me that list once you find it as most of those are just lose words and not systems beside the cpu

spring girder
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it's making drawcall

wary relic
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Also- Make sure tis up to date
Past updated changed an insane amount of stuff from the game

cosmic scaffold
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hmm so weird tho, how come there's no lag in lavander tho?

wary relic
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Is that a world or what?

cosmic scaffold
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no it's another vrchat-like game

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and it is already able to handle more then vrchat while it was made by 2 ppl in only 4 months

wary relic
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I legit cant find anything online from it 😂

cosmic scaffold
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well 5 now i think

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because it's a private one

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as it's still beeing worked on

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it's a discord

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you want an invite?

lament oar
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Lavender is a unreal engine game btw

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Not unity

wary relic
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Not really-
And tbh if its still that early in development with a low hardcore user base ofcours optimazation isnt a 'problem' there

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Vrchat had the same thing GWnanamiLaceShrug

cosmic scaffold
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we imported the same "laggy" models from vrchat in it

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back then vrchat didn't have those models

wary relic
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Those models
What is those?

Also im still waiting for proper parts of the system beside api then thats bad

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Because cpu isnt a VRchat system so far i know but a computer part GWcfcThonk

cosmic scaffold
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the animatiors and stuff

wary relic
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Soo everything thats on user sides?

cosmic scaffold
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no but tis' what the game runs on

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cpi

spring girder
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you have to aware that unity engine isn't well optimized

cosmic scaffold
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cpu

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mostly at least

wary relic
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Dude i build robots-
I know what a cpu is and how they work

heady smelt
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unity engine is pretty optimised, stuff people make in it .... not so much

wary relic
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Lets ask it like this
What system does lagg, Does the voip system they use cause problems?
There world networking? The IK tracking? Nameplates? Menu systems?

vocal talon
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how are world reviews handled in relation to the avatar rank system? will a world be denied if an avatar is medium or poor rank?

cosmic scaffold
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dude i don't even know what to say anymore, you go complain about your 3 frames lost imma go and have fun making models

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i won't be restricted just cuz they're lazy

lament oar
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@vocal talon Nah. though if you don't do a bypass of poly count it won't block you. just inform you of your avatar and how it is in performance

cosmic scaffold
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yeah the world won't be denied unless you wanna make it public

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cuz then they'll have to see the avatar

vocal talon
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"don't do a bypass of poly count it won't block you" I;m confused by this

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what do you mean here?

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like increasing it above 70k?

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if so, thats not an issue

cosmic scaffold
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i mean see, that i don't think it's needed

wary relic
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@cosmic scaffold Great argument insulting my PC instead of being able to answer a really simple technical question

Atleast my avatasr look neat while being the highest rank optimized and my game runs a neato 90 FPS pretty much always 👏

cosmic scaffold
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cuz 70 already seems pretty normal

vocal talon
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I have an avatar that has a poor ranking for bones

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so just curious if that avatar would cause the world to be denied

cosmic scaffold
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@wary relic i can just imagine that avatar

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lemme guess did you do a headswap from deviantart?

wary relic
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It looks just as good as anything 😂

cosmic scaffold
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do you have any blush ? or does that hurt your frames too much since you have to make it 2 materials?

wary relic
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Thats all part of one material 👏 Combining sutff and not being a retard in optimazation aint tooo hard if you ask how to

cosmic scaffold
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and tbh i dunno why so many ppl complain about lag, literally don't even have a vr ready pc, cpu and gpu wise

lament oar
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@vocal talon I think there were some rules for avatars in avatar worlds now. don't remember

cosmic scaffold
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and never really had any issues

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sure i'm always around 45

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but that's normal for me

last light
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VRChat can lag like crazy regardless of the PC, try joining a public Pug. :p

cosmic scaffold
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i do, i'm always at 45 frames

last light
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15+ material avatars, 100+ dynamic bones.

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oh boy.

wary relic
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As i said- I run 90 fps 24/7 right now
But its legit retarded to have 200 transformed bones or an avatar with 12 materials

cosmic scaffold
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that is retarted yes

wary relic
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I can shovel you some old old aproved avatars (or go into a room with 20+ people wiht all full body avatars)

cosmic scaffold
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but what isn't retarted is having 4 bones

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and one collider

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with 9 materials

wary relic
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And your pc will cry bigtime
Then use a properly optimized avatar and yeet 5 more peeps into that same room while having stable fps

last light
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Why 9 materials though? 🤔

cosmic scaffold
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and having my avatar beeing very poorly optimized

last light
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Can you not atlas that to 1 or 2?

wary relic
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4 bones or 4 transformed bones

cosmic scaffold
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dynamics

wary relic
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Also- If you had just that it would be medium optimized

cosmic scaffold
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it appears as very poor in game my guy

wary relic
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So you got more then just that or your lying

And 4 dynamic bone scripts or 1 script with 4 bones... Thats what i am asking

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Then check why its poor... It legit tells you

last light
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To be fair, right now any dynamic bones on the avatar make the avatar 'Very Poor'. 🤷

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Maybe Cloth performs better as it's integrated into Unity?

cosmic scaffold
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exactly

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HAHAHAHA nah m8

wary relic
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@last light Cloth is even worse- Rather use bone then cloth

last light
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Something better than Dynamic Bones would be ideal. 😅

cosmic scaffold
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cloth will literally create a rank under very poor even if it doesn't exist

last light
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Great. 😅

heady smelt
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Wrong Curt lol

last light
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^ :p

wary relic
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And the first drop down of dynamic bone is with 16 bone transforms
And you are still good then GWnanamiLaceShrug

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32 transforms and its medium

lament oar
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sorry!

cosmic scaffold
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tell that to the system

wary relic
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Colliders count so heavy because they act so heavy

cosmic scaffold
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one collider :""")

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now i REALLY wanna see this avatar of yours

wary relic
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Tbh- Only reason i would add you right now is to instantly block you after 👀

cosmic scaffold
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lol you don't need to add me and idc if you block me since i don't know or play with you

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you can send a pic here

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or is it private?

last light
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all the dynamic bones.

cosmic scaffold
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but wait, what are your frames?

wary relic
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Why would i have to justify myself towards you?
And im not home anyway right now so even if i wanted i cant?

I am not the person porting avatars from deviant art for money here

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@last light Fairly sure you can cut out like 60% of that if you even tried...

lament oar
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Daaaamn. that is alot of bones

cosmic scaffold
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HAHA funny you say that since i don't port anything

last light
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@wary relic Oh, totally, I only just saw it. Working on it my guy. :p

cosmic scaffold
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only the body and face are from devianrart

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rest is either made by me or from games

ashen leaf
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how is the collision check calculated...? also i have 38 transforms and thats rated poor. u serious.

cosmic scaffold
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don't mind them

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just do what you want, sure maybe do atlas some things

last light
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I'd imagine it's update rate related. @ashen leaf

wary relic
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Then you wrote it fairly odd on ya website atleat how i recall it then

cosmic scaffold
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but don't bother with the dynamics

last light
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Higher update rate, the more often stuff is checked.

lament oar
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Was it collision per rate? dunno how they calculate

wary relic
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@ashen leaf combine two bones and your right into that medium rank

cosmic scaffold
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@wary relic read the date for that :""")

spring girder
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total bone that can be collided with

cosmic scaffold
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@ashen leaf just make sure that at least materials are ok, so they won't cry about it

last light
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@wary relic Maybe you can help actually, when I have a single dynamic bone component on my avatar's head, it screws with the eyes even if they're excluded, any suggestions?

cosmic scaffold
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don't let them ruin your physics

last light
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That's why I have so many components. :p

ashen leaf
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literally have ears (4 bones) + boobs (4 bones) in the collision

📎 cool.PNG
wary relic
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@last light You want the hair to move?
If so make a second head bone- Combine all hairs to that and make sure that second bone aint weight painted or anything
Then just apply it on there

lament oar
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Just add the eyebones as excluded in the component

wary relic
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I dont use dynamic bones myself as its unneeded for most of the avatars i use (Handy using boy avatars)

cosmic scaffold
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@last light did you also exclude left eye and right eye or only eye_l and eye_e?

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Eye_R*