3d-modeling

[calm goblet]

main thing i'd suggest would be lifting the hair up and trying to make it look more like curls than the sharp lines you have

that'd bring back the foreahead and make the hair look better

and you're usually better off making the mouth in a relaxed position so you can make the shapes around it more natural as well

with difficulty

gomme a bit to think of a good way to do it in that style

one way would be to use spiralled hair cards, but that'd eat up a shitload of polys

[calm goblet]

yeah bringing up the forehead does make it look a lot better

for the cheeks can you make them a little more red than brown? just a little more on the res side

and add a bit on the chin as well

this is what i was thinking for spiral cards, that you could then scatter over a central cone shape

[untold schooner]

screw modifier 🤤

optimized way would be normal map, considering the thickness of the hair it wouldn’t even look that wrong if done right

[calm goblet]

normal map would be the cheap way to do it, but then you'd have to manually paint in the hairiness

or it'd look like a lumpy turd

main reason i said cards scattered on a cone was cause the cone cuts out a lot of the polys and the cards would give you a good look without spending a week painting the hair

[untold schooner]

so give it some personality with modeled strands ontop

enough to complete the look but not too many to make it i optimized

unoptimized

[calm goblet]

polygons aren't the real performance issue anyway though

[untold schooner]

isn’t it the transparency on the hair cards

[calm goblet]

for hair that spiralled you wouldn't need transparency

you could just go for a really dense strand texture

having that and ending up at like 120k polys would probably use up less resources than someone's 30k polygon model using 5 materials

[untold schooner]

i mean technically it can be millions of polys as long as it’s not skinned

or animated idk how unity does it

[calm goblet]

well, the point is that polygons aren't the killer anymore

draw calls are the killer these days

[untold schooner]

so yeah just wait till you can use this tessellation and make the hair a height map https://youtu.be/DTqcPEhSHB8

[calm goblet]

won't work on characters

just like nanite doesn't work on characters

what it'll mean is the same as nanite already means

[mossy harness]

am working on a beowolf model so i can make a beowolf vrchat avatar. I dont even watch rwby, I just think skulldogs are neat

[calm goblet]

saving a load of performance on environments, even massively detailed ones, means characters and creatures can be much more complex, mechanics and physics also have more room for complexity

[mossy harness]

oof didnt realize real conversation was happening XD sorry

[untold schooner]

yeah i saw the ue5 demo

[night trout]

oof ouch
didnt realise this happened with my hand

[snow spoke]

not even close to done but i envy anyone who makes realistic muscles well. things like abs are super hard to noobies like me lol, but im trying ! any tips or suggestions ill happily take, shown in subdivision for reference,

edit: i just looked back in this thread quite far and wth is up with everyone using sculpt lol does topology not matter to anyone 😛

[untold schooner]

you can use the multi res modifier to sculpt in high detail while retaining the topology

or sculpt and retook 🥴

retop

[snow spoke]

that tool that allows me to change the resolution on the fly? not too common with alot of terms i havent used 🥺

[untold schooner]

yes. i usually block out a mesh and use the multires modifier to get a high poly to bake onto a low poly

all within the same modifier

[snow spoke]

so your just looking for like the sweet spot after your sculpt that it still retains your shape but it retops it for you

[untold schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/566879420753641482/717007024998580265/h0wiUaPeZt.gif

not the best example but on mobile

[snow spoke]

no thats great, am i gonna have problems with this because my models only 1 mesh

or will it matter more later with clothes or hair ie seperate meshes

[untold schooner]

just separate the part you’re gonna sculpt on

[azure rain]

you can always separate out the pieces for modeling convenience and then put them back together at the end

[snow spoke]

should i apply my subdivider before i do this

[untold schooner]

no

[snow spoke]

ok

[untold schooner]

because the modifier itself is subdivision+

[azure rain]

it's easier to control your modeling if your subdivide isn't burned onto the model

[snow spoke]

ok thats what i thought

yall have been so heplful

[sterile mantle]

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[snow spoke]

sorry i guess one more question, so if i use this method ill essentially never have to apply my subdivide like this will replace it but on a per mesh level ( the meshes i sepereate to reres, im just asking wont this make it super hard to reattach the meshes

i guess 2 questions

[untold schooner]

what i do is just duplicate it when i’m done and apply one at low level one at high level

how do you mean reattach? like join verts?

[snow spoke]

yes

[quaint jasper]

You got a portfolio anywhere ?

[untold schooner]

if you apply the low subdivision one to be the same level as the non sculpted on mesh then no

assuming they were initially connected

[snow spoke]

ah i see

[snow spoke]

thanks 🙂

[snow spoke]

i can already see part of this art is deciding where to seperate lol

[untold schooner]

well technically if you’re just gonna connect them again at the same subdivision there’s no need to separate

[snow spoke]

ok i def missed something then, can i just reres selected pieces ?

[untold schooner]

multires doesn’t take a vertex group when you multires it’s the entire mesh. if you intend to subdivide the separated non sculpted on part of the mesh to the same level as the low level sculpt of the other mesh you might as well not separate them and just not sculpt the second half

[snow spoke]

my mirror mod line seems very sus, should i be worried

[snow spoke]

sorry fopr bombarding you im just tryna figure this multires thing out ive watched a couple tutorials cause im more of a visual learner, but theres def something im missing

[untold schooner]

multires doesn’t support mirror

[snow spoke]

ah so i need to apply that first

?

but then how the frik do i get symmetry... confused noises

[untold schooner]

you use the sculpt symmetry

[craggy lintel]

Ugh

:|

I’m beginning to hate 3D modeling community

people are such assholes

tbh that’s all communities though

[quaint jasper]

[craggy lintel]

oh def agree

Furries have bigger egos than Lamborghini owners

[desert crown]

Is there a way to make shape keys with eye textures like this? i did a google search and end up with uv mapping, but that doesn't work with shape keys. Is there an alternative?

[craggy lintel]

People will always find a way to talk down to you

always

^RIGHT*

[quaint jasper]

If it's a super low poly model, I assume that it would require a shapekey to bring a flat mesh in front of the face with that texture

[desert crown]

yeah its super low, below 5k poly. That suggestion was some other alternative but i want to avoid using multi eye mesh cuz then when doing that, both mesh overlaps.

[quaint jasper]

Well they shouldn't overlap perfectly, there should be a super tiny offset to avoid zfighting

[desert crown]

well kinda. Does blender have instant texture swap? making it seems like the mesh doesn't leave any where, but rather swap places instantly?

[craggy lintel]

They get QUIET too whenever this comes up

Not you Ruubick haha

[quaint jasper]

You either have to have a specific material for the eyes that is animated with an offset, to change the texture, or do that with a shapekey, I'm not aware of any method

[desert crown]

hm....

i might end up with animating offset, but i guess i'll explore the other ones first

[craggy lintel]

they probably have dinner alone

[devout scroll]

If you want to animate offset you'll need people to enable your animations in vrchat

But in that case you can use a decal and animate the offset of the decal

That way you won't need any extra polygons in front and will ensure no zfighting

[desert crown]

well damn that sucks, i want it to be on by default since this model is going to be quest compatible and i want it as a fallback

[devout scroll]

I guess if you don't need transparency

Then you probably won't have any issues using blendshapes

[desert crown]

i want to avoid transparency since its gonna be a quest avatar

if it was just pc focus, i would've done it any other way to be honest

[calm goblet]

you make solo dinner sound like a bad thing lol

[sinful mesa]

hey uh what does this mean and how do i fix it

neither did anythin

or at least did what I hoped

[tough plover]

alt + N > reset vectors

[sinful mesa]

thank you

[plain garden]

does anybody know why this would be happening to this model on the other arm and wrist it dosent have this problem

[quaint jasper]

Probably had a twist bone that didn't get dissolved correctly

[plain garden]

Thank you so much that was exactly that

[quaint jasper]

[plain garden]

I also have a model that has two essentially lightsabers attached to his hands i cant find the meshes for them in blender how would I go about getting rid of them I cant seem them in the layout but once i put the character in unity they show up

[spiral sigil]

any tips for the hair particles on the legs im new to blender

[spiral sigil]

im wondering if this is the right channel for my problem but i need some help im not sure if its a simple fix but can i get someone to take off the image that is on the back of this avatar?

ill pay -_-

or direct me to some type of help

[quaint jasper]

Edit the texture in paint

[spiral sigil]

im a total newbie, is there a video i could watch?

[cinder cradle]

if you have texture file you can edit it in photoshop or something

[untold schooner]

yeah no problem

[prime zenith]

Does anybody have any good solution to the Unity bug, when you material swap Material Slot 2 it material swaps something else ?

I cannot seem to be able to rearrange material slots manually at all

[devout scroll]

#avatar-help

Not sure, search there, it comes up once in a while but i'm not sure if there's an easy solution

[spiral sigil]

that took you hours to think about that joke lol

found a way to do it now anyway

[untold schooner]

how do you know that that simple image edit didn't simply take hours

[devout scroll]

look up hair cards

[proud sundial]

new to modeling and using a quad sphere, it has artifacts in smooth shading. does it look better flat shaded, and if not, how would oi go about fixing the artifacts?

[night trout]

ngl
the more i look at my model
the more proud of it i am

[cinder cradle]

that's what 3d is about

[night trout]

just gotta figure out how to get started with my boi's clothing

[cinder cradle]

remember when making clothing to already have idea on your mind

[night trout]

oh trust me i do
its more just me not knowing how to start clothing lmao

[cinder cradle]

accessories leave for last thing to do

make first main outfit

[quaint jasper]

In the side menu, where your shapekeys are, there is a submenu for normals, you need to enable that andplqy with the value slider

Or you can mark those edges as sharp with Ctrl + E

Can also be done automatically with "select sharp edges" in edit mode

[proud sundial]

ill give that a look thanks. im learnin as i go haha

[quaint jasper]

[midnight valley]

does anyone know how to create good shape keys from xps rigs? the model has a bunch of bone groups but i cant make them look good no matter how hard i try

this is what im talking about. there is enough bone groups to make any facial animation but i guess im moving them wrong because they all turn out terrible

[thin shadow]

enter pose mode, pose the bone, then click pose to shape key

[midnight valley]

All the bones move in a group. I figure since it’s already like that there is a way to create easy shape keys but no. For example when I try to make a blink shape key it extends far too forward

[midnight valley]

I know how to create shape keys, thank you though. I was just wondering if anyone here who has more experience knows how to work bone groups in pose mode well. My attempts at creating shape keys look abysmal so far lol

[thin shadow]

Last time when i was working on that kind of model, I use the method of hiding and unhiding the bones for better visual

[languid fog]

Any tips of how can i make this blood look better?

[storm pike]

splash

drip

[burnt lake]

[solar fossil]

ey, that looks great

[craggy lintel]

Anyone have good tips on texturing jeans

I have been using procedurals but not a fan of how they’re looking rn

I’m thinking there’s a specific UV style I need to do

Rn my pants are UV’d not in a single piece (ofc)

so directions on procedural are in diff

[quaint jasper]

Either make your islands face the same direction, or use triplanar ?

[craggy lintel]

I’m going to try both one at a time

[night trout]

decided to add some very basic tongue shapekeys

and of course i had to use the new shapekeys to make a blep

[clear geyser]

I love him

[winter palm]

Hello. Any idea on whats going on with the middle line? its not marked sharp and cant smooth it out

[snow spoke]

Make sure clipping is turned on on your mirror and apply it before you apply your subdivision

[potent glade]

So what's a reliable method for consistent scale referencing? Does everyone use default Blender cubes or is there a better method?

[azure rain]

the blender cube is 2 meters tall

[potent glade]

ok

[glacial perch]

Thx

Thats actualy really helpful

Means im now 1.4m tall as i measured in cubes

[viral umbra]

Question on UV unwrapping I posted here https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/254378/unwrap-pack-uv-to-bounded-area-of-texture-space that you guys might have an idea on

The end goal is to have textures which can be symmetrically edited in an image editor in case the user does not own substance painter

[calm goblet]

for an environment/scene? i use a human

[calm goblet]

you might be able to do it with uv packmaster

you can definitely do it with rizom, but if someone can't/won't buy a proper texturing program they're unlikely to buy a proper UVing program either

i'm guessing topological symmetry is one of the many things blender texturing can't handle?

[viral umbra]

Thanks, I'll look that up
Yeah blender handles UV symmetry by stacking the mirrored islands. For 90% of use cases that is probably fine, but makes it super annoying for this where you don't want to force end users to make the texture symmetrical

Ah looks like uv packmaster has exactly what I need

+1 to Tieguaili

[calm goblet]

i meant topological symmetry for painting without needing mirrored or stacked UVs, 3d coat does it that way

[viral umbra]

Substance painter also does that, but since it is paid a lot of people don't have it

[calm goblet]

yeah i know a lot of people are either kids, or they're under the impression that paying for hobbies isn't a thing lol

[viral umbra]

Wouldn't say that necessarily, if you are just looking to once off retexture an avatar base you like, its a relatively large investment. So making symmetrical UVs so they can use the likes of gimp for basic recolours and decals is the way to go

[calm goblet]

true, or getting someone to do it for them

if it's a basic recolour that doesn't take much time i'm sure plenty of people would do it free in a few mins lol

[viral umbra]

Either way, the more accessible assets are, the better imo 🙂 Thanks for the tip on uvpackmaster again, will save me a bunch of time in the future

[calm goblet]

for my own assets i'm more interested in maximizing the UV space than make it easy for people to butcher them lol

people that want to mess with things are gonna find a way to do it anyway lol

[quaint jasper]

If you're planning to sell then definitely have to make it easy to edit rather than optimized

[calm goblet]

unless you're going for a style that's inherantly not easy to just attack with a fill bucket in gimp

[quaint jasper]

That probably covers the majority of edits yeah

[calm goblet]

it covers the edits that people are gonna try without knowing enough about 3d to work with a more optimized model

[prime zenith]

Guys, how do I shade smooth these extruded faces so it looks the same as the rest of the mesh ?

[calm goblet]

is it something that came with textures, that you now modified without altering the UVs and fixing the textures?

[prime zenith]

There is notexture

I also tried unwrapping again, no change

[calm goblet]

try recalculating normals

[prime zenith]

No change

[calm goblet]

mark sharps on the edges and use autosmooth?

[cinder cradle]

in edit mode ctr+v and smooth vertices

[prime zenith]

autosmooth you made "Shade Smooth" ?

[prime zenith]

That does not help

[cinder cradle]

try doing f3 and merge by distance

[prime zenith]

not much change

[unborn acorn]

Probably something to do with custom vertex data, try deleting it but make a copy first to test it

[prime zenith]

If I apply subdivision modifier it fixes it, but I don't want to double the amount of vertexes

[unborn acorn]

Strange, no idea then

[prime zenith]

I am not deleting my weight painted weights if you mean this

[unborn acorn]

Nah, vertex data is whats used to make custom shading like you see in guilty gear

[calm goblet]

how about applying a subdiv then removing the extra verts?

[prime zenith]

By hand ?

[calm goblet]

yup

[prime zenith]

Jesus

There has to be a better way

[calm goblet]

well you've been asking about this problem for at least a couple days, you could've already tested the manual cleanup method by now

[prime zenith]

I did not spend time on this for days, I just came back to this because I have time

And I like to learn more time efficient methods when possible

[calm goblet]

have you tried a weighted normals modifier?

[cinder cradle]

what about mesh-weights-smooth

[prime zenith]

Weighted normals modifier works

[calm goblet]

there you go, use weighted normals

[prime zenith]

Cheers

[calm goblet]

if that hadn't worked though, you'd be down to manual cleanup 😛

[prime zenith]

Yeah fair, we did try like 6 things

[cinder cradle]

one option would work for sure manual clean up is like last thing

[calm goblet]

for me i only try 2 things before manually fixing

recalculate normals, merge by distance, and weighted normals modifier

3 things

[cinder cradle]

i try 10 things

can't name all them but i know how to find each

[calm goblet]

if i have an obvious normals issue and one of those 3 things doesn't fix it then manually cleaning is gonna be the fastest fix

[prime zenith]

I mean I can imagine Whire is like speedruning all those 10 options in like 45 seconds

[cinder cradle]

yeah

ding ding ur winner

[calm goblet]

i can't think of 10 things or fixing a normals issue

only those 3 lol

[cinder cradle]

if you like your methods than you are fine i won't force anything on you

[calm goblet]

you could tell me what the other 7 things are 😛

[cinder cradle]

i have them inside text file i'm not on pc right now

i have more like muscle memory now

[calm goblet]

fair enough

[prime zenith]

Yeah bro this is not a competition

[calm goblet]

who said anything about competition? i wanna know what 7 things i don't know about

[prime zenith]

Chill, your messages sometimes come a bit smug

[exotic obsidian]

Work in Progress of a Mini Warden (Minecraft)

[tight quartz]

👀

[fallen bluff]

as im working on the textures for this model im seeing and thinking of ways i could have like modeled it a bit better here and there, and im like fighting the urge to like go back and redo big chunks of the model, lol

like, for the most part they're parts i haven't textured yet, so its not like i'd lose texturing progress, but it would add time on the project from making new models and organizing the UVs again

[blazing belfry]

does anyone do custom avater for people

[untold schooner]

yeah im sure some people do it..

[tough plover]

alt + N > Reset vectors

[ruby thunder]

Someone knows who I can ask for an avatar to do it to me is that I don't know how to make avatars for vr chat

[steady zealot]

3d models for a commission I did

Some cleeeeaaaaan bow flex

[quaint jasper]

They look amazing !

[steady zealot]

Thanks!

[somber garden]

Does someone know if a Blender v 3.0.01 model work in unity 2019.4.31?

[spiral sigil]

Doesn't matter what the blender version is

Doesn't even have to be from blender

Just has to be one of them model formats Unity is okay with for the most part

[somber garden]

thx

[calm goblet]

well that's the thing about just words on a screen, you say something that should be taken completely at face value and cause it's much harder to actually detect the tone people go projecting whatever shit they want onto it

[fallow fable]

https://www.artstation.com/dnyys

[spiral sigil]

Oh wow Crit your still going at it I se

Must have a real collection by now

An army

[kindred plover]

Halp. Halp me. Someone. Anyone. Before I destroy my laptop?

[cinder cradle]

you need to say with what ..

just saying help me is not the way here.

[kindred plover]

That was just my way of saying "hello I'm having issues, is anyone available to assist me?" but you know, with style.

I marked all my delicious seems and when I went to unwrap them there is a spot that refuses to seperate. I tried a bunch of stuff, last of which was to completely deleting the section and rebuilding it out of frustration but it still is this

Oh oop

One sec

It's a shoulder seam, the one that circles the arm and seperates it from the torso. I merged vertices, I deleted faces /vertices /edges looking for the problem. I removed the whole seam and re-marked it

(And it looks all poopy now because I literally deleted the whole chunk and reconnected it then remarked it before giving up and seeking help)

[quaint jasper]

Make sure there's no hidden geometry (Alt + H), and that everything is actually marked as a seam, I can't think of anything else that would result in that

You can also Press U to reset the UVMap, save, and restart blender to attempt another unwrap

[kindred plover]

I definitely did not save this mess lol. I did look for hidden stuff with all my maximum effort, but I'll try to reset the UV map next, thank you!

I even tried remarking the seam at a lower place. I am going to take an ice cream break instead of throwing this laptop first, but if I figure it out I'll share the mystery

[uncut imp]

Definitly sounds like theirs some weird geo in there that's making that. if you select points and go merge by distance does it merge anything? you might have multiple overlapping points on the same place there.

[kindred plover]

I did try, and nothing merged. This is what it looked like originally, a tangled mess

(Oop. My phone can't send its actual pictures for some reason and I'm not about to make anyone download anything) so I untangled it, right? And find these prime suspects

But merging didn't do anything, and neither did completely destroying it and reconnecting (the first picture I sent. It actually looks like it made it worse maybe lol)

[untold schooner]

substance smart material going hard

looks great

especially the bow flex 🥴

[kindred plover]

What about my shoulder? Does it look great?

[untold schooner]

an interesting way of showcasing it but apart from those meaningless tris in the center yeah

[sterile creek]

there is no vrchat button

i imported it but

[devout scroll]

Wrong channel, ask in#user-support-old

[molten zephyr]

makin a dude

[spiral sigil]

that is actually kida epic lookin

[molten zephyr]

thanks haha

[unborn ingot]

Does anyone know to make a rexonium avatar, like where can I get a free base for rexonium avatar, pls I need help

I do have blender and unity

[calm goblet]

try google

[unborn ingot]

I did I couldn't find

[tough plover]

the Rex model is not free, you can find it on Gumroad

[kindred plover]

Lol I just made those so I could identify what was happening to them in the unwrapping. Which I'm about to put my brain back on figuring out. Pray for my sanity.

Also that's a super cool looking dude.

[craggy lintel]

Rex = most common avatar you see.. LOL

[minor acorn]

Very true lol

Got some questions though, I know it's most likely a no, but is there anything you can use without a pc to make avatars? Like something html or something? I know of a few web 3d modelers, but I know you need unity for making avatars, any suggestions? I have a chromebook but I can't install on it and well..its a chromebook lol

[azure rain]

uploading with unity is the only option for the avatars

[minor acorn]

Aw man that sucks

I'd love to get into making them

[azure rain]

doing some Googling it appears folks have got blender and Unity running on a Chromebook but that requires doing some playing around with developer settings

[spiral sigil]

yea make it do linux

and then get the linux version of blender

[minor acorn]

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to do that with mine sadly

I feel like maybe I could figure some janky stuff out with using a cloud computer service lol

[night trout]

fuck me
my brain legit doesnt know how to do clothing for my model

[minor acorn]

Lol I felt that

[somber garden]

Does someone know how do you wrap around the face with a mesh? It's a disaster for me 💀

[foggy granite]

The shrink wrap modifier and face snap should do the job

Then just work from there

[somber garden]

How do you do that exactly?

Is there a shortcut?

@foggy granite

[foggy granite]

Give me a second I take a screenshot for the face snap

But for shrink wrap it just in the modifier tab

[somber garden]

k

thx

[foggy granite]

dont forget to click on the magnet to enable it

[somber garden]

Do i have to be in layout mode?

I'm in modeling mode

@foggy granite

sorry for ping

[foggy granite]

the ping find you have to be in edit mode for it work thats the mode i was in when i took the screenshot

[somber garden]

oh

not that

like

i'm modeling

you were in layout

[foggy granite]

oh it shouldn't matter

because it's available in both

[somber garden]

But i can't see the magnet button

1 sec

the magnet button is not there

[foggy granite]

odd

[somber garden]

0-0

sooo...

what do i do now

what version are u on

[foggy granite]

3.0.1

[somber garden]

me too .-.

wait

it does matter

look

in layout

it does appear

[foggy granite]

yeah but im in modeling and it appears

\

[somber garden]

weird

maybe because we're on different operating systems

i'm on mac and u on windows

[foggy granite]

probably

[somber garden]

ohhhh

how am i so stupid

i have 2 screens

well

sides

the toolbar can't fit all in one side

so it cut off

[foggy granite]

well that funny

[somber garden]

🤦‍♂️

lol

[foggy granite]

well i hope the face snap helps

[somber garden]

It's going through the head

[uncut imp]

You dont need to click the magnet to use face snap, you just hold shift while you move the thing to enable snapping while your holding shift, if you dont want it always enabled.

[spiral sigil]

It's control key for me I don't remember shift working too

I have windows

[devout scroll]

It's control yeah, shift makes movements more precise (lower sensitivity basically)

holding ctrl basically just swaps whatever your snapping is set to. if it's on holding ctrl will keep it off while you keep holding, and if it's off it will be on

[spiral sigil]

Oh yes I remember now

Thank

[fallen bluff]

blender is this close to being my villain origin story, why did an object in my scene just seemingly randomly revert an earlier state from before i cleaned up the geometry on it, i managed to get that work back by going back to an earlier save but what the hell???

[spiral sigil]

U can always make duplicates of objects ur working on and periodically send them to collections as save points

Make sure to colorcode

[devout scroll]

and also blender autosaves every two minutes to backup

[uncut imp]

maybe im just misremebering the key, its kinda muscle memory at this point XD

[wise mirage]

The arms will not join the mesh for some reason. I am new to blender, so go easy on me. 😅

[lunar steeple]

Are you able to create avatars for quest 2? I really want to start creating avatars. I do have a PC if that's required

[devout scroll]

Yeah it's the same process as for pc just that the requirements are more strict

Because the quest is less performant

[lunar steeple]

Ah alrighty thx

[thin shadow]

There are many ways of creation but only 1 way of uploading it

[lunar steeple]

Good to know

[spiral sigil]

i get you I dont remember some keys

so many it seems impossible to remember

[spiral sigil]

i dont see why youd want to export your project in multiple files seems like a hassle unless there is some select special reason

[calm goblet]

i can't think of why to export as multiple files either, FBX lets you keep all the information you'd need including separate objects, mateirals, armatures, all that

[fallen bluff]

before

after

[upper canyon]

Noice

[fallen bluff]

re doing this room may have added more stress and time on this project, but im so happy with how its looking now

[upper canyon]

If it looks good, it was worth it.

[compact halo]

hey uh can someone help me optimise my model for quest?

ive been trying for the past few days and im getting nowhere

I still want to keep my clothing toggles though

also for some reson my shape keys arent porting over

[spiral sigil]

What Quest Performance Rating are you aiming to get your model to?

[upper canyon]

xD

[spiral sigil]

lmao yea i dont imagine it being any less if they want to keep all their clothing toggles since that adds polygons/triangles

[upper canyon]

My avatar is, but I'm working on an empty fallback version

I've excused myself to so many quest users. Most of them don't care when they unhide my avatar (Mainly because most mesh renderers are disabled 90% of the time, and the poly count is 19 947)

it's not super optimised, but at least I'm not the one making there quests turn into spaceships

[spiral sigil]

Id reccomend u choose like one clothing or costume and retopo it

[upper canyon]

nah I have other plans, thinking of splitting all my things up

[spiral sigil]

sounds like you decimated which is far quicker to do but also far shittier than Retopo

[cinder cradle]

yeah retopo is good but takes time

[compact halo]

Atleast good like just 8000 polygons

[upper canyon]

The evolution of my avatar in performance rank:
PC:
Quest:

It's funny because when you think about it, this just shows the contrast between pc and quest

[spiral sigil]

yea you are gonna have to manual retopo unless your model is already low geometry

decimating to that will get your medel bending like a broken straw

[compact halo]

Yeah

I guess I’m gonna have to redo the clothes

[spiral sigil]

what are the stats of your model now

materials triangles meshs everything

[compact halo]

It was somewhere around 12000

[spiral sigil]

not decimated?

the original model

pc

[compact halo]

The original model after I did some manual decimation

[spiral sigil]

edge loop dissolving? thats fine yea

[calm goblet]

you shouldn't call manual cleanup decimation, decimation is never a good option for a character model

[ashen stag]

Why are you going in the wrong direction 😭

[rain fjord]

can texture seems be painted out in Zbrush and Mudbox like they can in Substance Painter? i've been looking for tutorials but i can only find one for Substance

[gloomy pawn]

More of a general question but I could use a hand

Provided all these textures for a project. Any idea what "OM" is an acronym for?

Not sure what it's meant to be

[spiral sigil]

Maybe Occlusion Map

My guess

[gloomy pawn]

That's what I was thinking? It doesn't fit anywhere on a bsdf though

ah wait i see now. it's not meant to be part of the material it's an external render pass. essentially unused for this scenario

[uncut imp]

That's intended, blender doesnt really have an ambient light to occlude and when rendering in cycles it effectivly calculates it

but would be for putting into your material into vrc to simulate it n make stuff look nicer 😄

[spiral sigil]

I think the standard unity Shader has a field for Occlusion

Or the Autodesk one

[uncut imp]

Indeed it does

[gloomy pawn]

Considering though it's gonna end up on a vrc model, i'll just ignore it

[spiral sigil]

Is it bad to have a bunch of maps on your materials

Does that stack up in vram quick

Yknow having all those textures

[uncut imp]

yea it can, but you can lower the resoltion on all the less important textures in your materials to save on that

[spiral sigil]

swag

Tieguu how have you been

[calm goblet]

only if you convert to polypaint i think

at least for zbrush

why not just texture in substance though?

[spiral sigil]

where is the video to make your own avatar from scratch

mention me when you see this

[rain fjord]

can't afford it

[calm goblet]

try quixel mixer

it's free

[rain fjord]

@calm goblet quixel has that feature too? is it just as good?

[calm goblet]

it's not bad, the painting isn't as fluid as something like 3d coat but it isn't terrible

[rain fjord]

fluid?

[calm goblet]

quick and responsive to your pen

like 3d coat is just like painting a miniature

quixel's brush engine isn't that good

[rain fjord]

k

[calm goblet]

it works though

and the materials and generators are solid

kinda hilarious that you can afford zbrush/mudbox but not substance though 😛

[rain fjord]

i was using the free trial but it ran out, thought about using zbrush's free trial

[calm goblet]

ahh

[untold schooner]

student trial 😈

[devout scroll]

yeah just get a perpetual student license

[spiral sigil]

idk might aswell post this

[brisk maple]

@upper canyon https://thecum.zone/ZW0O.webp I see

[upper canyon]

Yep, that's what it does constantly

[brisk maple]

fix model fixed it up though

[upper canyon]

I really need to get it working in blender so I can modify that damned plug on the back for quest

i've heard enough dick jokes

[brisk maple]

aight so merging mesh was easy, I've lost the textures but thats probably because they're external and linux is odd

hardest part would be weightpainting the eyes again, but that's fairly simple since they're all not attached to the main mesh

[upper canyon]

Alright, seems easy enough for me

my issue was just getting it imported and exported, the rest could easily be fixed by asking advice or tutorials

[brisk maple]

https://thecum.zone/fEH8.webp

just gotta set that in export settings and the bones/model will be orientated right

and oh boy opening unity editor drunk was a bad idea, cleaning this mess up is gonna be fun

[rain fjord]

how?, they'll just accept anything you enter in?

[devout scroll]

pretty much

[rain fjord]

ok well what small amount of effort should i still put in?

[devout scroll]

I'd still put in correct details, it's the student id picture that doesn't matter much

[frosty sedge]

Yo i search someone ! I have a 3D modèle but i want to have im on my quest 2 but i dont know how to make this avatar for quest 2 and i can't post im... Someone can help me?

[rain fjord]

correct details? i'm not in school anymore

[devout scroll]

I doubt it's checked anyway

You'll get a license the second you click ok

[snow spoke]

if I want a model that uses the emote menu to change clothes, do I make the clothes in blender, separate them ( like make a shirt for my avi, separate it to its own blend file ) and upload them as thier own file to unity

[spiral sigil]

why would you need to seperate the blend files

when you export your blender project (fbx) into unity all the meshs are seperate gameobjects so why bother the trouble

[cinder cradle]

they would also need to be rigged

having all in one blender project is better

[untold schooner]

i put in school of uganda and a picture of a gnome as the id

its automated

and now that they’re owned by adobe it’s morally correct to do this

[devout scroll]

true

[dry rose]

Hello, out of curiosity it seems my button for cloth physics dosen't do anything, and no way to constraint it via the pop up.

Help?

[snow spoke]

So if I wanted multiple styles of shirts would I just hide the last shirt I made and make the new one right over it

[cinder cradle]

make it as toggle

[snow spoke]

You may also be able to answer this ^

[cinder cradle]

where you hide one and show another

[snow spoke]

In blender ?

[cinder cradle]

no unity

[snow spoke]

But thats what I'm asking how do I get them all in there, where should they be placed with my model if they are in the same file? All right on the skin and you toggle them individually in unity ?

Like should the shirts be " stacked" in blender

[spiral sigil]

They would be stacked yes but that's why you only have one active at a time

[cinder cradle]

yeah

[snow spoke]

Okay thanks yall so much

[spiral sigil]

The toggle would work that out

[cinder cradle]

you will have default animation

that shows one shirt

played on beggining of avatar

in every instance

i'm bad at explaining sdk3 sorry hehe

[snow spoke]

That's kinda what I figured I just didn't wanna waste a bunch of time building stuff I didn't need. And yes, default set to one then the toggles turn that off and apply another

[snow spoke]

You did great :) ty so much !

[spiral sigil]

I'd make an INT var and then your toggles can set the values to 1 2 3 and 4

One number for each shirt

Or u could do a Bool var for each shirt

[cinder cradle]

making a hue shift is good idea too

you have many options

[pearl goblet]

so ive been trying to flatten this hoodie but it seems everything i do makes it end up distorted, is there a better way to do this that idk abt?

and i mean completely flatten so its up against the body

[cinder cradle]

try sculpting it

[pearl goblet]

i have

[cinder cradle]

there is no really better way

you could try moving edges etc but that will take more time

[jovial turret]

shrinkwrap modifier. assign vertices that you want to move to a vertex group and use that vertex group in the modifier so it only moves those

[pearl goblet]

you got a video i can watch ?

[jovial turret]

I do not sadly.

[pearl goblet]

damn

hmmm

maybe if your able to you could show what you mean and send it

like step by step or smth

[cinder cradle]

dk if that will be better for you but it's good tutorial on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDM3UiNm7GM&t=524s&ab_channel=GENVFX

[pearl goblet]

alright thanks

[dusky trout]

Are there services out there that can make custom avatars for you?

(I don't have the time or patience to learn but if there are people out there that can do it even if it's at a price, I'd be interested in that)

[willow timber]

fiver i guess could be your solution but i personally make my own avatars but with fiver you would just pay a person

[spiral sigil]

NO NO don't do fiver there is a discord server that generally has more reputable people in it

#community-servers-old it's called VRC Traders

[crisp barn]

@neat viper nah i switched to edit mode

https://gfycat.com/ClumsyEmptyFalcon

[neat viper]

ah, you're in the object panel (edit for the future - I smoothbrained, there isn't a bone rotation menu in edit mode, skip down to the non-strikethrough text)

Switch to the bone panel lower down, it'll have a green bone icon

[crisp barn]

https://i.imgur.com/u100WBM.png

@neat viper what should i change there now?

[neat viper]

that's..odd

there should be rotation options there lol
welp alternatively, grab the hip bone and hold ctrl to snap turn, then rotate it 180 degrees to be facing up. If it's connected, you'll have to disconnect it first in the Relations tab, in the bone menu

[crisp barn]

uh

[neat viper]

Select the bone above it and go to the Bone tab, go down to Relations, and click the X next to the hip's name:

Grab the hip bone and flip it as noted above, then select the bone above it, and set it's parent back to the hip

You can search at the top of that list, or scroll through it to find the hip bone c:

[crisp barn]

there is no bone above it

and there is no x

[neat viper]

I mean the bone physically above it, i.e in the spine

[crisp barn]

https://i.imgur.com/2W4CMRt.png

oh ok

ok i did

how do i grab stuff?

[neat viper]

Click the bone, and switch to the rotation tool at the top-left

alternatively, press r

[crisp barn]

i think i got it now

[neat viper]

cool! Make sure to set the spine's parent to be the hip again
When you're ready to export the avatar, go back to Object mode, select both your avatar's mesh(es) and it's armature, go to File > Export and click FBX
Limit it to the selected objects as well, otherwise you'll have the light and camera in the export too

[crisp barn]

@neat viperthere are now way more bones

like i have 70 on old version and 106 on new

but it actually worked

[neat viper]

not sure what'd cause that, make sure your old armature isn't still in the project maybe?
glad to hear it worked though! o:

[crisp barn]

there was only one armature

oh nvm

its objects

[snow spoke]

some how disconnected all my meshes from my armature, i heard there was a way to easily fix this, some apply to empty groups thing i just cant figure it out though, everything is still named properly

[sour sorrel]

anyone know any good plugins for avatar optimization in blender

[neat viper]

CATS mainly, though I'd recommend looking into edge loop dissolving, and atlassing. CATS can do automatic atlassing, but manual atlassing gives you a lot more control over the process, and can produce better-looking results. Edge loop dissolving is a way to reduce polygon counts, and I'd highly recommend it over decimating. Decimation destroys your topology, and it's shotgun-blasted to the entire avatar - edge loop dissolving gives you a lot more control, doesn't destroy your topology, and if you do it well you might not notice that polygons have been removed

Here's some guides on atlassing and baking, respectively:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211102075907/https://vrcat.club/threads/kattsunes-guide-to-a-manual-texture-atlas-in-blender-2-8.3359/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9airvjDaVh4
(helpful if the above guide doesn't produce good results, or if it doesn't bake all materials. Specifying the UVMap to use is vv important)

[snow spoke]

i wanna punch topology in the face. that is all

[gusty shard]

ty for vids on atlasing, I'll have to see if I can do that in maya or if I gotta pick up blender just for that cx

[spiral sigil]

you should be able to do it in maya as long as it can manipulate UVs and you can use photoshop to combine textures into single images

cuz its just basically putting a bunch of textures on big image and then adjusting the UVs to the new image

so the UVs line up wit the textures they used to be alligned with, but now on that one single atlas

[cinder cradle]

yeah cats can do that for you but it doesn't consider if you want one texture to have more details or not.

so manually doing it is better way

[calm goblet]

do it manually, you'll get better results

cats just decimates your model to reduce polycount, which gives you shit results, you have no control over how it re-does your textures and UVs so your texel density is all fucked, there's no good reason to not either learn how to do the stuff yourself or find someone to do it for you

[young vault]

When you do material combine in cats and suddenly your white eye texture is 10x bigger than before

[calm goblet]

eyes have 60% of your used texture space, everything else has 40%, perfect

[young vault]

It is truly the ideal texture layout.

[calm goblet]

although i do think it's unwise for people to try always putting everything on a single UV map

absolutely nothing wrong with using up to 3 if you have enough detail in your model to warrant it

"if you have enough detail to warrant it" being very important lol

actrually, i guess that's kinda balancing draw calls against vram usage

what's more of a performance hit, 3 draw calls for 1k textures or a single draw call on a 4k texture?

[tough plover]

one 4k texture would use a little more VRAM, but less drawcalls

good question

[calm goblet]

exactly, what's actually more of a performance hit, the 2 extra draw calls or the extra vram used?

[tough plover]

i would say it depends

in a non crowded instance? draw calls would be worse

in a more crowded instance? probably VRAM

[young vault]

If you got a multiple of 2 in drawcall I feel like dividing it is always good.

But, otherwise, it's circumstantial

[spiral sigil]

Does it matter if the draw calls are a multiple of 2

Besides ocd

[azure rain]

no not really. that's texture resolution that's better to be powers of 2

[spiral sigil]

Oh ok I see

[young vault]

What I mean is

If I have 2 1024x1024 textures that contribute 2 drawcalls

Why do I not make them 1 2048x1024 texture that contribute 1 drawcall?

If it's power of two in drawcalls, might as well make it not

If you can make the texture a pot and decrease drawcalls, do it.

3 drawcalls can be two with two pot textures.

Without losing visual clairty

clarity

[azure rain]

2048x1024 is a acceptable a powers of 2 texture

[brave storm]

dont tell me that you need neck, arms n shit n blender

in blender**

im trying to make a character that is like the default one

no arms, no legs and feet, no neck

[pastel condor]

You may need those in your armature, but you dont have to have anything weighted to them.

[regal hemlock]

Hi I would like to know if anyone with rigging knowledge could look at my test rig and give me any tips and generally tell me how stupid I am. I will send the file. I am using blender

[spiral sigil]

Why am I dumb I don't understand blender

Apply All Transforms for the meshs you are trying to merge

Individually apply transforms per mesh

control+A

That's my guess

It might be something else

Oh wait are you doing a CATS feature

The problem is actually a piece of clothing with bones and it won't merge with the avatar.

OHH

Ok wait one second

I got to do this more... like it's not hard but these little errors drive me nuts

Yea they are funky

Almost got the video

I have to compress it under 8MB because no nitro

Hold Shift and drag on multiple boxes if you want to input the same value into multiple fields

you could also press n while your cursor is somewhere in the viewport to popout the Properties menu

im applying 0 location, 0 rotation, and 1 scale to the Parent armature and then joining the Child to Parent

make sure you select the Child first, and then the Parent so the Child ---Merges onto---> Parent; not Parent---Merges Onto----> Child

Thanks I am pretty new with blender it's so much more simple when someone just tells you how 😅

👍 👍

[quiet moss]

so i got a vroid model made but i don't feel like relearning blender or unity and i was wondering if someone could do it for me?

[spiral sigil]

Go relearn it and be proud of your work

Both of those programs are much better and easier to use than they used to be years ago so you will be fineeee

[quiet moss]

it updated and everything scattered

idk. i guess i'll at least try

[spiral sigil]

Thats the spirit!!

go my boi

[tranquil fable]

anyone know where i can get a 4x4 ute 3d models free plz

dm me

[snow spoke]

https://youtu.be/LbXkxWF9pfs

looks great

[cinder cradle]

tbh those who make models without sculpting won't use it but i use zbrush so it's gonna be must have for me

so yeah hope it will be fun

[calm goblet]

or you could be smart and get topogun

[snow spoke]

i hardly use sculpting, ever

hard topo all the way

[cinder cradle]

first time i hear about it gonna check it out

[calm goblet]

it's insanely good, makes retopo much less painful and much much faster

[snow spoke]

but this will change how i think ab my work

because the way my work flow is right now, i still use refrence pictures and this will allow me to use reference models

[cinder cradle]

using reference and doing topology of model is best way

[snow spoke]

i agree

[cinder cradle]

but yeah topogun i will use it when i feel like sculpting

wow 100$ is good price

for license

[snow spoke]

meh i kinda like the trials of learning ab getting the perfect topo

its actually challenging lol

[spiral sigil]

Use brain

[cinder cradle]

there is always room for improvment

[spiral sigil]

Always room for bigger brain

[snow spoke]

what EXACTLY does the topogun do?

maybe i could use it

[cinder cradle]

i watch now videos about it and it looks pretty promising

[snow spoke]

im tryna figure it out but ?

seems like a way to route diminishes

?

[cinder cradle]

well you can always read about it probably on their site.

[calm goblet]

i'll link you to some vids

https://youtu.be/-tgtS1uAMnc?t=1

this is pretty old but shows most of it

[gusty shard]

I do sculpt in zbrush then make the lowpoly in maya by using live surface and quad draw

[calm goblet]

quad draw doesn't look too bad from what i've seen, not as well rounded as topogun tohugh

but then topogun is a program made specifically for that one job, makes sense that it has more tools for retopo than a generalist program

[wanton helm]

I want to Improve my UVs so i can Properly Texture it, can someone give me some advice on doing it, FYI this avatar is supposed to hit Quest Med performance so no Cheats of more Material Slots or extra skinned meshes.

[neat viper]

like 90% of your UV space is wasted lol, if that hair is just one solid color, you could shrink it down to just a couple pixels at the bottom of the atlas

[neat viper]

See this: ^

a lot of your avatar's texture consists of solid colors, which could be made tiny in the texture - that'd also leave you with a lot of space in the UV dedicated for actual textures

[wanton helm]

I want to change the texture to be actual details instead of solid colors, and the hair normal is always blurry if the uv is small

[calm goblet]

learn about texel density and how to scale your UV islands

you could square up those hair islands and either stack some or just pack them close together, and like zuvali said you're literally just not even using most of your texture space there

huge wasted areas

all this is stuff you could be using to increase the effective resolution of your texture

[tough plover]

UV > Average island scale is a very useful tool

[sterile mantle]

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[quaint jasper]

A place where you host all your models, like sketchfab/artstation

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

wow cool

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

do you have render with lights on ?

or you haven't made them

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

ok anyways cool

[sterile mantle]

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[quaint jasper]

Any official response you'd want from vrchat should be coming from the support

[cinder cradle]

i doubt it's about vrchat

trakso want to ask you about hosting models

i think

[neat viper]

9 day necro :monkas:

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

you mean your 3d models?

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

in vrchat it isn't possible, you can make world where you link your booth or gumroad page

to them

that is what most people do

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

it is allowed

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

make gumroad or booth page with them

[untold schooner]

buy real cars through a vrchat map finally

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

what you suggested there is kinda not allowed

[sterile mantle]

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[cinder cradle]

like i said make your store on one of these websites and u good to go

[sterile mantle]

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[uncut imp]

I believe the virtual market get some sort of special stuff going on that lets you have the links taht work. That's not something you can do with the normal SDK. 😦

I understand why but it'd be nice if i could make my discord link clickable in my world

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[uncut imp]

imo the whole scanning qr codes in vr is weird. How am i supposed to do that? take a photo of it and scan the screenshot later I guess?

[untold schooner]

you could setup a showcase world and have your discord just about everywhere

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[uncut imp]

True. Up until today my pc was in a different room to my VR so i couldnt just scan my screen while in VR.

But i guess i can look at the thing and scan my screen now (since i moved where my pc setup is)

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[night trout]

man
looking back on my model
i feel like i should have done more to improve it
cause the head (when no subdiv modifier is on), specifically the back
still looks too low poly

[devout scroll]

add more loops and smooth it out where it's noticeable

[compact halo]

hey how can I get both my eyes

I just did object mirror mirror X global

and then changed the shape group names to the associated bone

also all the vertex faces are right

[supple glen]

So I'm using blender 8.80+, and (since I haven't used it in such a long time) I forgot how to display textures/import them properly. I asked my friend, and he also forgot.

[cinder cradle]

blender 2.8 probably and also you need to open armature hierarchy

alt+h to unhide

[supple glen]

Wait I just realised I said mesh instead of texture

crap sorry

[cinder cradle]

hold z and material preview

[supple glen]

thanks!

[heady stirrup]

how would i go about making a cd case in blender

i would like it to be open with the cd poking out a bit

then putting in the scans for the slipknot self title cd for textures

[heady stirrup]

also i would like it to play the songs from the album from the expressions menu if possible

[devout scroll]

it's possible but you'll need to learn a bunch of different things for that

[heady stirrup]

i already have the model now but the textures are a bitch

its hard to tell but the album cover is there

just broken as hell

jesus christ its purple now

Yes i need to yell bot

why is it purple this isnt source

got the front cover to work finally

back still broken tho

[cinder cradle]

check uv's.

[heady stirrup]

where do i find that

im about to give up on the back all together because im impressed i made it this far

[cinder cradle]

open new area in blender and from 3d viewpoint go to uv editor.

[heady stirrup]

why wont vr descripter show up in unity? ive installed sdk

[cinder cradle]

you have right unity version?

[heady stirrup]

yes

2018

[cinder cradle]

new sdk works with 2019.4.31f1

[heady stirrup]

oh ok

ill install and pray it works

[misty valley]

@neat viper how do i see if any bone needs the 180° rotation?

i dont know anything about blender, i dont know how to get those weird lines displayed

[cinder cradle]

what weird lines you mean? the parenting ones or something else?

[misty valley]

outlines like in those msgs #3d-modeling message

how do i find out if i need to rotate a bone, which side is supposed to be up? i'm completely new to armature setups

apparently some avatards need to be fixed bc they have rigging hacks or something

[cinder cradle]

the rig you screenshooted is like that by default?

[misty valley]

it's a modified version of the base with 5 fingers, but i didnt really have any issues with any of the 3 lockmodes

but i read you need to adjust those as Octofloofy also had to edit his hobkin

[cinder cradle]

ahh i see the hips

[misty valley]

this here is a Rantichi which had a broken spine when head lock was enabled

[cinder cradle]

you need to rotate hips by 180

[misty valley]

on this one? aight

oh both i see

[cinder cradle]

so it looks like this

just in edit mode click on hips and r and click y and hold ctr when moving bone

if you gonna miss it you can always fix it in window that will pop up

[misty valley]

oh didnt know you could actually select singular bones, thx

[cinder cradle]

well now you know

[misty valley]

still cant find the angle window

[cinder cradle]

it should pop right after you rotated it by hand

[misty valley]

for me the affected field in the item popup was "roll"

[cinder cradle]

what blender ver you use?

[misty valley]

still 2.9

what am i supposed to do now, just drag it down?

[cinder cradle]

weird that you bone moved up when rotated

it should have stayed in it's place

you can lower it by clicking g + z

[misty valley]

i swapped the z offset and base position, would that work?

[misty valley]

well it was rotated from that one ball as a base

the upper ball stayed in position and became the lower one

[tough plover]

@misty valley hip bone is way too low

never have it below the legs

[misty valley]

:c

[cinder cradle]

yeah it's too low now

[tough plover]

grab the ball at the bottom of the hip bone and move it up

[cinder cradle]

the lower ball needs to be higher than upper ball of upper leg

so it won't break

[misty valley]

is it supposed to overlap the spine tho

[misty valley]

alright thx

[tough plover]

not really

you should set all bones in the spine to Connected

so that it forms one continuous chain

[cinder cradle]

yeah i disconnected spine and hips bcs i was testing something

[misty valley]

ah

so this is borderline ok?

cant put it higher without resizing it

[tough plover]

resizing it is perfectly fine

[cinder cradle]

you can slighty put lower ball higher

of hips

[tough plover]

also, spine seems crooked now

select all bones from hips to neck, and do S > X > 0 > enter

[misty valley]

🤨

[cinder cradle]

ah i see what sacred see

spine isn't aligned with hips

with full 180 angle

[misty valley]

it did straighten the hip bone or sth

[cinder cradle]

yeah ur good now

[misty valley]

👍

thx for the support @cinder cradle i had like zero experience with blender bones

[cinder cradle]

np ur good

[misty valley]

now i have a bit

[cinder cradle]

this change will improve your avatar

[misty valley]

yeah i bet, i never messed with armature stuff before other than renaming or re-parenting a group. i wouldnt want to mess too much with this tho as most models i got seem to work well. is there anything else related to the new ik i must keep in mind regarding the avatar skeletons?

[cinder cradle]

hmm right now i think there isn't something i noticed anymore that need to be fixed on armatures

tried testing armatures with added upperchest and it's still kinda useless.

[misty valley]

[bold urchin]

My nose (and lip) shading is being odd here, I haven't been able to diagnose it

[plush bone]

most likely misplaced UVs

could also be flipped normals

[cinder cradle]

or unsmoothed vertices

that would need to be checked more in blender.

[bold urchin]

Face orientation is consistent, nose UV's are with nose UV's.
Unsmoothed vertices hm

[cinder cradle]

can you try doing f3 and finding merge by distance ?

if that won't fix it check uv

[bold urchin]

0 merged.
Nose UV's are with nose

[cinder cradle]

well dk

the nose looks bad in unity or in blender too?

[bold urchin]

I know right, I've been stumped too.
Blender is fine, Unity is fucked.
Even removing any source of shading on material.

[cinder cradle]

hmm yeah weird.

did you checked if you have vertex colors?

[tough plover]

could be split normals

select the area and do alt + N > reset vectors

[bold urchin]

Good point to check vertex colors.
Wish Blender didn't keep fighting me.
I feel as if I've reset vectors a lot now but I'll try it again

My nose is better.
A little crusty though

[cinder cradle]

well looks better

so reseting vectors helped?

[bold urchin]

Though now I'm getting this warning again that I tried to fix originally. a x12

It was split normals, apparently I wasn't exporting with split normals because it was giving me some trouble.
I'd like to clear those split normals but then things fight me more trying to make it look good again

[cinder cradle]

do you use different meshes for your model?

or it's one mesh

[bold urchin]

It's one mesh but kitbashed together pretty hard

[cinder cradle]

hmm weird that unity now have problem with blinking, other blendshapes work?

[spiral sigil]

if blendshape keys dont work in unity, I remake the key as a mix and then use that new one i made adn it usually works

[cinder cradle]

yeah same

but sometimes i'm able to fix it.

[bold urchin]

It's complaining about all my shapekeys lol

[cinder cradle]

oofers

maybe you are able to fix it manually with little bit of messing with vertices

[bold urchin]

Messing with vertices?

[languid fog]

I hate the texture part ,_,

[spiral sigil]

u will get better at texturing over time dont worrry

its the real struggle brother

[languid fog]

[quaint jasper]

wdym by "everything" ?

Unpack the prefab and rename it

[vocal anvil]

have to do textures now

[devout scroll]

Unity doesn't really have a notion of bones

You're just renaming game objects

The mesh object that goes into the skinned mesh renderer just knows which objects affect what verticies

So weights are just assigned to objects

[steady zealot]

Latest Commish

[quaint jasper]

You can edit the .anim in a text editing app like notepad++

[quaint jasper]

Looks amazing 🤩

[steady zealot]

Thank you!

[plush bone]

w o w that's beautiful

what's the poly count?

[steady zealot]

40k

Highpoly mesh was like 1.8mil

[visual vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857676254412275774/948166897675960370/VRCoutfitcollage.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857676254412275774/948166863152635924/Bikinioutfitcollage.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857676254412275774/948166832043475004/Catoutfitcollage.png

making shit for sites

[thin shadow]

text editor

[thin shadow]

it's possible to edit it with text editor, but why not use the duplicate and temporary controller routine

[solar fossil]

more prop modelling, lets go

[spiral sigil]

thats sick

i got to model the telescope i got

with working mirrors (tm)

[devout scroll]

cute tiddy tupper

[plush bone]

...

calm thyself

did you build your armature in unity?

cool work with me here buddy

where did you rename the armature?

ok so you renamed it in unity

so can you just reimport the armature from blender then?

how's that

calm downn

you can fix this

if you say so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'll bet you can fix it though

calm the fuck down

no

you don't get to blame the people here

we are trying to help you

you can make backups

and we can help you fix it

[plain garden]

how much should i weight paint this shoulder bone

[plush bone]

then leave

[plush bone]

you're probably gonna want to blur that a bit

[plain garden]

How do I do that im still new to blender and this is the first model Ive had to do this much weight painting for as i put clothes from one model on another

[plush bone]

how do y'all do finger topology so that they bend nicely?

I've seen things like the below gif, but I've had mixed results applying it

[spiral sigil]

There is some weird ass frickin oval ring of topo around some knuckes that some models have

[plush bone]

got any pictures?

[spiral sigil]

Not that I have no but I have looked at human models from uhhh whats it calledd

Daz3dStudio

I was told the topo on their models is pretty good to model off of

I'm very certain those models do the thing I was saying

[plush bone]

are those game ready models?

[spiral sigil]

Id say so yea

Look up Abt it

There are free models

[plush bone]

gotcha thanks

[azure rain]

They might not necessarily be game-ready as Daz Studio primary use case is offline image and video rendering

[spiral sigil]

True I'm not sure what extent they are rigged

OH wait one thing uh their material count is insane usually but it's definitely because of the whole super easy customization thing

[azure rain]

oh they're definitely rigged I just note they might be a bit too high poly

[spiral sigil]

That too

[visual vigil]

anyone familiar with this FBX export issue

[quaint jasper]

Exporting with modifiers ?

Did your shapekeys work before export ?

[visual vigil]

nope

[visual vigil]

yes

[quaint jasper]

Same issue if exported as an obj ?

[visual vigil]

will try

[languid fog]

That happen to me one time, i applied all transformers and some way fixed it

[solar fossil]

It's not worth it man

Now I'm wondering, been modelling a bunch of props for worlds, if I were to make them into a pack would anyone be interested in it

[spiral sigil]

are they all of similar theme or

just like random stuff u made for a bunch of projects

if its all to a collective theme then its alot better

[solar fossil]

It's a bit random, still for a single world tho

On mobile, so only got this pic, the ultimate prop stacking

[spiral sigil]

what the fuck

pls give me the applicTion of attaching rope to random objects

are you making a getting over it with bennet foddy game