#3d-modeling

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tulip shoal
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it's more about draw calls that have a hit on performance, like multiple materials per morel and mulitple textures/maps per material

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if you wanna lower draw calls even more, package your black and white maps, like specular, displacement and AO maps into different channels so you have it all on one texture (green is always roughness, blue is specular, red is AO)

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getting off topic already before I even started talking, nice

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@fossil inlet sorry to bother you here, but I don't know if you blocked me or i cant message you because you have the "no shared servers disabled". Just wanted to say, sorry for the rant, but i just needed to vent for a bit, but that's not why I'm (trying to) contact you. -
What I came to ask was what do you put into your contracts; someone from VRC traders tried to scam me, so i think it's time I invest into a contract

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also, it wasn't my client who said I had an attitute, he praised me in the review as hard as you cna praise someone whos' taking your money, it was the mods, but i'll stop about that topic, i vented it out now so i'm fine

sharp abyss
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i would say the mutiple texture avatars are the biggest things on performance hits since instead of one texture per avatar it some times 15+. i personally texture atlas everything that i dont need to use a diffrent shader on etc

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Though im not sure you can texture atlas normals havent tried

tulip shoal
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yea you can

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If it's only 15 textures per model, that's fine ish, but when you have multiple 10 avatars in one spot with 10 materials with 5 textures each, you'll soon get over the 2500 recommended draw call limit for modern gpus

sharp abyss
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Well yeah thats what i meant theres multiple places i go and everyone has avatars that are like 15 textures or materials each

tulip shoal
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i could be talking out of my ass, i make weeb stuff, i read this on an article how battlefield makes their games run butter smooth when looking as great as they do

sharp abyss
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I mostly make weeb stuff too lol. but yeah if people got into texture atlasing everything i think performance would go up a bit

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Ide say bring it down to like 3 mats/textures per avatar or something

tulip shoal
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yea.. my avatars are one mesh, one material and one texture

sharp abyss
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My anime avatars are like that. my nanachi is currently 2 but thats because i wanted glowing eyes and had to use a diffrent shader

tulip shoal
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yep, my current one has glasses

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wanted a seperate glass material on them

sharp abyss
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But my friends are like who cares and just uploads with 17 materials and etc

tulip shoal
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ignore the seams

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I mean, i do that too, depending on how much i get paid

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I won't charge less than minimum hourly wage just to atlas everything

sharp abyss
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Thats a pretty nice character. and yeah i say for upload to vrchat though it should be as optimized as it can. and seems lol friend hates that i have to remove seams from models i dont create

tulip shoal
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limit should be 8 materials imo

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even that's a stretch

sharp abyss
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Yeah but texture atlasing also isnt explained or talked about much

tulip shoal
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like, maybe for really complex avatars that you have plans to edit in the futures... So eyes, clothes, skin, hair, and accessories, but more than that i dont see why you would

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i got more really good avatars tho

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was reference

sharp abyss
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Thats really nice, i still havent uploaded any of my characters cause i havent finished them lol. i need to do that been playing like 3 months with public avatars cause im pciky about mine being perfect

tropic bear
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this is 5k for example. when you create something optimization always come after.
VERY late to this conversation, but I'm gonna say no to this.

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At the very least, as you're working on it, understand how you can scale UP

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It's very easy to scale the detail up, especially if you go so low poly that you can simply subsurf the details back in

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But scaling down is a lot more difficult

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Learn to scale UP your avatars

ripe lotus
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Mine is only two materials

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Three sorry

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Face, body/clothes, then i had to separate the eyes to make them glowy with a shader for the person i did it for

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Also that dragon boy is pree cool

radiant stirrup
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Oh hey isahibby

ripe lotus
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OwO

radiant stirrup
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OwO

ripe lotus
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Fancy meetin you here xD

radiant stirrup
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Yyyeeee, My vrc's still broke so...

sharp abyss
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when making something from scratch it should always in my opinion always be as low poly and optimized as can be. since you can always use smooth to add more polys a detail later if need be

thorny fractal
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i think that model only really gets away with only being 5k because of its unlit shading. if it had normal shading on it it would probably look pretty weird. and if you can get the same amount of detail with a lower polycount i would aim for that. since i started working on character models i have been gradually reducing the poly count while also making the character look better visually with normal maps and such. my current model is 35k even with the body under the cloths and everything

onyx juniper
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Normals are great and necessary, but they don't create smooth silhouettes.

marsh hatch
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Sounds like more of a topology problem..

void narwhal
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i can understand trying to stay as low as possible for the sake of optimization under the scenario in which you aren't utilizing normal maps otherwise this isn't the case unless you aren't baking

besides that adding polys to a 5k humanoid isn't nearly as simple as you make it out to be for topology with a bunch of triangles at'least not without losing shape&curvature
^-Not as much of an issue if you have very linear geometry but that can come at a cost
-Also weights would need to be smoothed out to make the most out of the additional polys
-edge flow can also be a big concern when subdividing a extremely low poly mesh aswell

also to note there is value in having a high poly and just doing a retop low poly for the sake of a game
that way you can have the best of both worlds

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end of the day for PC polys isn't really a big issue for optimization compared to other things

ripe lotus
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So 65k isnt a big deal when i optimized the materials and textures?

dense kelp
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Avatars are considered good up to 70k, so one can assume such, it can probably go much higher before it starts actually impacting performance significantly however

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The major points of performance impacts are as follows in terms of quantity, in order (based upon my own thoughts on the matter and what i've seen/heard), IK, Meshes, Materials, Dynamic Bones, Bones, Particles, Polygons
(In the terms of Amount of X = Y Lag, i.e 400 Dynamic Bones will lag less than 400 Meshes)

fossil inlet
dense kelp
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Lookin' pretty good

dull canyon
fringe rock
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you could always bake the normal of the sculpt to a lower poly mesh

dull canyon
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yeah but it's not really a sculpt is it

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like, he is doing individual hair strands via materials

void narwhal
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yes you can bake it to a basic retop of it

dull canyon
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okay

latent charm
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Way I'd do it is do the hair as shown in the video all the way, then duplicate it and bring it back down to the simplicity it was around the 8 minute mark, and bake details from the full one down to that.

dull canyon
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well the complexity never really changes once he's done with the hair in general

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what I wanted to know is if it's possible to use the materials like he did for vrchat

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to "simulate" all that detail without it actually being there

latent charm
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Yeah, you bake out the normals and since it looks like he's using the principled shader in cycles a lot of the inputs in that correlate to the unity standard shader.

dull canyon
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okay

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nice

thin bison
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Most things done by someone with experience will look easy from the outside

dull canyon
dull canyon
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okay, somewhere along the way her face got kinda masculine I just noticed...

hallow bough
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Might be her jaw line

dull canyon
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mh, maybe

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or there's too many details making her look old or something

void narwhal
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jaw line looks a little bad along with the cheek bone on the side from the front view
besides that seems like some details around the nose bridge&upper lip are emphasized a little too much
lips/mouth might be a little flat from the side and nose might be a tad too big but it's whatever

dull canyon
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but yeah, teh jaw seems the biggest issue

void narwhal
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mouth looks fine in terms of depth

hallow bough
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I think smoothing stuff out will help yeah

dull canyon
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okay

onyx juniper
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Big nose

dull canyon
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ok

fringe rock
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idk why i see a old lady

dull canyon
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yeah

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there's too many folds I guess, too much details for what's supposed to be a young woman

fringe rock
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like say up. smooth it alittle

dull canyon
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yeah, I'll try that when I get the chance

dull canyon
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yeah, definitely looks younger imo. I made the skin too "saggy" in some areas as you'd usually see in older people

fringe rock
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scult the iris. Just so its look more alive

spiral sigil
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i have a mesh that isnt symmetrical but it wont fit on my avatar at the angle i want it, is there a way to flip the mesh over an axis (z axis) ?

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fringe rock
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you can press R

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and after z

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and rotate or enter a value like 90

spiral sigil
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but i dont want to rotate it. it has that flat side on the right but i want it on the left so i was wondering if there was a way to flip the vertex values so that the flat side is on the left and its still pointing the same direction

fringe rock
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you could delete half of it an apply a mirror modifier and select z the the axis

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another technic would be to place the 3D cursor in the middle and shift S(cursor to selected). change the pivot to 3d cursor on the bottom . Duplicate the part you want with shift D. After ctrl M( chose the axis you want to mirror and press enter

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the normal might be inversed so press W in edit mode and select flip normal

visual vigil
dull canyon
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cute

feral steppe
dull canyon
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BAT

dull canyon
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(big anime tiddies)

dull canyon
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so apparently blender 2.8 should get released around July

subtle jackal
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I'm really looking forward to using it, but not at all looking forward to re-learning a bunch of it lol

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worth if it gets more people to give it a shot though. Really tired of people under-estimating it and writing it off just because it's Free Software.

dull canyon
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yeah

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I tried using it a few days ago

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it's... definitely different

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lots of hotkeys removed/changed

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now they actually want you to use right click for context menus

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at least in the version I had basically none of the sculpting brushes have hotkeys

subtle jackal
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yeah, un-learning right-click select will be an effort. Once you get used to it it's so intuitive

dull canyon
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I always used left click select from the beginning ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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since I started with 2.79

thorny fractal
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for the hair i dont think getting the look in vrchat is really possible but you could bake the lighting information to a texture and use it that way. as far as like dynamic hair hylights and stuff tho probably not possible in vrchat

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if you reduce the resolution of the curves in blender that reduces the poly count of them before you turn it into a mesh. and then you could bake out the textures generated from the material, the normal and alpha. you could probably replicate a similar look with an anisotropic shader then. but i dont think it would work in vrchat or work well because of vrchats lighting

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baking procedural normal maps in blender can be kinda a pain but you can plug the generated alpha into an emmisive channel or somthing and bake the object to itself to get the texture from that

dull canyon
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okay, I understood a few of those words

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so in short you're saying using the material for generating hair detail won't work/be a big hassle to do

thorny fractal
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i saw the video awhile ago. you can easily convert the curves to meshes that are already unwrapped. and reduce the polycount of them to a decent amount and the material uses procedural textures that you can bake to images. i replicated the look to a decent extent in ue4 and marmoset toolbag. I just dont think its really possible in vrchat because of the limitations to what shaders the game allows and the lighting setups of certain rooms. its totally possible in unity tho with a custom shader

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most things in vrchat use some form of a cel shader or unlit shader and those that use the default unity shader usually end up really bad because of the way a lot of scenes have lighting set up. you could bake out the lighting in blender to a texture to be used with an unlit shader in vrchat. but thats up to you to decide if you want to use that method and if you think it would look good

visual vigil
dull canyon
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thicc 👌

spiral sigil
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=c

opaque jolt
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Bad question but is it very difficult to 3d model? Also should i download the newest version of blender? (mine is 2 years old). And can i update blender in the programm somewhere so i can keep my plugins?

subtle jackal
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If your version of Blender is 2 years old there's a good chance some plugins might not work, but yes, blender will automatically give you the option to re-import your add-ons and settings when you install and start the new version. As for if it's difficult, that's hard to answer. Some find it easier than others, but anyone can learn if they put in the time and effort to do so.

opaque jolt
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Thank you, i will update my blender today then and watch the pinned avatar creation tutorial iris

silent acorn
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It can be difficult to learn the keyboard shortcuts at first, but once you've done that, it's very easy to create things through the program.

opaque jolt
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Mhh strg+h to hide stuff and strg+a to select all parts of a body are all I can remember

hallow bough
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Getting strange lines on shadow bake trying to post a clear image of it<

thin bison
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Do you have parts of mesh intersecting? @hallow bough

hallow bough
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Not at all it seems to be doing it even without double meshes or wrong facing normals. I'm trying to grab a clear image.

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Seems fine at first look but on my monitor i see the lines clearly. If you look closer you see alot of seam looking lines.

thin bison
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Yeah I can see them

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Did you use the subdivision modifier?

hallow bough
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I've tried alot and am pulling my hair out trying to solve this issue. I've had it with about any object and haven't succesfully done an ao bake yet.

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Let me check

thin bison
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Are you using the Blender render or Cycles?

hallow bough
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Blender render

thin bison
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Try using cycles

hallow bough
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I'll give it a go right now!

thin bison
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Infact, always use cycles

hallow bough
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Ah alright, i've seen people say otherwise for some reason so i just didn't consider. Let me try it and i'll post the results.

thin bison
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Blender Render is decrepit

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It's so freaking outdated that it's being removed in 2.8

subtle jackal
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lol. Blender Render is fine for plenty of stuff. It's really more to do with how Blender calculates lighting in general. High level subdivision helps but if you don't set up your object right it will give you inaccurate bakes. Even so usually the result isn't too noticeable in the final item. You can also clean it up manually with a bit of blurring

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more concerning rather is what is up with that UV job? why is the island twisted that way when it would be better coverage to rotate it to fit squarely, it seems

hallow bough
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@subtle jackal I didn't pay attention to that as I was just testing it out considering I've had that issue with any object even if correctly uv mapping the object and making optimal use of the uv space. Right now the issue has been resolved with the help of @thin bison by making use of Blender cycles instead. Perfect bakes now.

spiral sigil
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@urban acorn is your model rigged correctly?

urban acorn
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yea

spiral sigil
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then, wheres the problem with making keyframe animations?

urban acorn
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im tryimg to move my sholder down but every time i do it just pops back into place

spiral sigil
urban acorn
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@spiral sigil i think im just going to give up

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the stuff they use i can't use because im not going to drop 30 on 1 animation

thorny fractal
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i dont like blender internal renderer but you can do a lot of cool stylized stuff with it that are not possible or a lot harder to do in cycles. kinda a shame its being removed in 2.8

subtle jackal
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They're adding several new renderers to compensate. And grease pencil is super powerful to boot

stable edge
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noice

visual vigil
ripe lotus
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👌

warm jetty
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I just made my new legs 😆

silent acorn
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those look fantastic!

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VRC needs more cybernetics

dull canyon
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very cute @warm jetty

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did you use some sort of template or something for the general body? or is it all made from scratch

warm jetty
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@dull canyon you mean the Leg?

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if so, its all from scratch

dull canyon
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nah I mean the whole body

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or, the rest of the body

warm jetty
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oh, that body is not from my work.

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you can buy it from here : )

dull canyon
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ah, okay

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so, are most of the models that are in this style MMD ones? anyone know?

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like, they all look very similar

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(not judging btw, just curious)

warm jetty
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yea most of them have smilar amatures.

dull canyon
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mhm

hollow radish
dull canyon
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shiny spikey hair

hollow radish
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yeah not using substance painter for hair and skin texturing

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its something I still need to think about, for will use 3d coat and flat colouring

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looks pretty good though

dull canyon
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yeah, with the right textures/shading it can look good

velvet fable
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@warm jetty thats cool

velvet fable
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is it like a private avatar or public?

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it would be cool to make an avatar with a prosthetic arm

spiral sigil
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anyone knows some tricks with c4d?

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if i want to export it

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it should convert the "Clone" object automaticly to a big mesh

velvet fable
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i want to start doing some 3d modeling for vrchat how do i start?

subtle jackal
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Do you have any experience with 3D modeling?

velvet fable
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Meh

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Not that experienced

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But i know what it is

tropic bear
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You should start with downloading blender; it's a free, open source 3D software that lets you model. Once you have that, YouTube is your Ally. Learn the interface and navigation, then you're set!

lean mason
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anyone know someone that makes good avatars that can make one for me

spiral sigil
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i now use Modo Indie

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much better

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blender is cancer for UX

fringe rock
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Yes

spiral sigil
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hey can someone here get in a call with me and tell me something

spiral sigil
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yes

velvet fable
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yea im installing blender rn

dull canyon
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you might wanna download the 2.8 beta though

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it should get stable released in July and it's quite a bit different from 2.79

velvet fable
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oh

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i installed the not beta one..

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i am already confused

latent charm
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You'll be fine with 2.79, just remember that when 2.8 is released and if you upgrade to that there's some interface stuff to re-learn. The important stuff is mostly staying the same.

velvet fable
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sooo

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where do i start?

dull canyon
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hotkeys also changed quite a bit

latent charm
velvet fable
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ok thanks

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uhh the written dosent work

latent charm
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Should now, the trailing slash did weird things with the site. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

silent acorn
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finished a few more avatars for a lowpoly 90s-themed project!

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dull canyon
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nice

silent acorn
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thanks!

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this whole thing's been really great for learning to texture properly

dull canyon
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I can imagine

spiral sigil
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I wish this prop item stops shaking though and it actually collides in the ground lol

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stable edge
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he shonk

spiral sigil
sage grail
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Nice

sage grail
sage grail
onyx juniper
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That topology looks like it's going to be a pain for you later

hallow bough
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Yeah you're making it a tad to complicated for what could be a relatively easy character to model. Think in the basic shapes.

onyx juniper
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You should try an approach that works on any humanoid. It looks to me like you think you need a wild approach for such a wild shape, but the character is human enough for conventional wisdom to apply.

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Use the mirror modifer for starters

subtle jackal
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Beyond that the overall design itself seems a bit difficult to realize in 3D. It doesn't look very anatomically sound, which makes it hard to use more conventional humanoid edge flow as well.

onyx juniper
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I disagree. The worst this design can offer is the puffy jester pants thighs, and all you need to do is make thighs, but puffy.

Everything else is cat peach with chicken legs

sage grail
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I thought I was doing pretty good.

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🤔

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Those are just normal Impim thighs, I'm trying to keep it looking like your usual common impim

subtle jackal
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looking at other drawings of these "impim" things I suppose it might just be the front-on angle

onyx juniper
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I wasn't saying the thigh design was bad, I was talking in terms of modeling difficulty.

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The thighs would be the most ornery to deal with

sage grail
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Ah

silent acorn
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I might personally cut down on edge loops around the head / thighs. You can always re-add them later, but having just enough to get your point across makes the model much easier to work with.

sage grail
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Ok I'm sorry this is my first proper model.. thing. What's an edge loop?

subtle jackal
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an edge loop is... well, a string of edges that loops around a model, they're sort of the main way of visualizing the topology of the model and how it will deform

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I took a different image of one of these impim characters and tried to visualize how the edge flow might go on some areas. It's doable but it's certainly challenging as a character model, especially if you aren't accustomed to 3D modeling.

sage grail
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Alright. Should I stop and tackle something easier for now?

subtle jackal
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That's a decision only you can make really. Some people learn best by diving in head first and sort of slamming into a challenge until they break through. If you aren't afraid of screwing up a few times before you get it, there's no real reason for you to stop.

sage grail
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Ok! I'm just doing this for fun right now, so I'll continue.

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Thank you for the help

subtle jackal
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One thing I will suggest though, is make sure you use lots of reference. If you drew the front view you have there, I'd start with doing side views and maybe top or bottom as well, as your edges really don't seem to take those into account. Also I personally (and I suspect many others) like to look at lots of different models to get ideas for edge flow. I'd especially see if you can find others who modeled one of these creatures or a similar one, and see how they did it and try to work out why they did it the way they did. It'll help you learn how to best approach specific forms.

sage grail
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Thanks. I will keep this in mind as I progress. :0

silent acorn
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Good luck! 👍👍

foggy maple
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The filepath error?

spiral sigil
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yea

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nonetype object

foggy maple
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@spiral sigil That's fixed in the dev version of cats

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Use the updater

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@spiral sigil Oh, can you show the complete error?

foggy maple
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thanks

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@spiral sigil It's fixed, pls update again

spiral sigil
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thanks

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what was wrong with it

foggy maple
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@spiral sigil well it was checking if the attribute "image" exists but not if an actual image exists

spiral sigil
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oh

foggy maple
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well it's because it could not find them. Are they actually there?

edgy crane
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Hey would anybody mind teaching how to hair in blender

dull canyon
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so, apart from normal maps, are there any other maps you can use for avatars?

foggy maple
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I have seen some cool Mario maps

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But you can also use specular maps ^^

thin bison
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Roughness, metallic, height and AO

thorny fractal
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Depends on the shader your using

thin bison
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And yes, depends on what shader and what kind of workflow you want

dull canyon
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ah, okay

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thanks

desert crown
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rigging in blender is easier than i thought it would be.

smoky heron
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Anybody know why this happen? The lines in the image editor look weird and a lot more saturared. What can I do?

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brazen wigeon
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would anyone be willing to help me out a but with a model real quick? Id like to know how to split a tie into two parts so i can have two different shaders on it

mint prawn
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@smoky heron it just looks like that to show you where the texture has changed it wont look that dark if you save it

cursive wedge
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you sure? when i did save those things it saved like that

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think its just the color palate being wrong

brazen wigeon
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anyone willing to help me split this tie into two so i can add 2 shaders?

onyx juniper
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How do you want it split? In half? Separate the long and short end?

brazen wigeon
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Id like an outline so i can have a rainbow shader out line it 😃

onyx juniper
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Do you mean you want to copy it?

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Make a duplicate?

cursive wedge
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You can use an shader to create the outline with whatever you want in it, dont need to change the mesh at all, but oh well.

rose geyser
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question for whoever because I used to know way back, but i can't remember for the life of me

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How do I blend to the basis shape key

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without ruining all the other shape keys

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oh wait

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I can just do it in unity right?

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without ruining the mesh in blender

onyx juniper
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@cursive wedge What about an outline on a poly group with no depth?

cursive wedge
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You can do it with another mesh with the opposite normal direction to simulate an outline

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But it creates another material to be added

onyx juniper
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But if the mesh is flat, that would cause z-fighting, right?

dense kelp
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@brazen wigeon press L to select all connected vertices, i assume mousing over the tie and pressing L will select the tie alone, after the selection, you can then press P and separate by selection

cursive wedge
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@onyx juniper youscale it as much as the outline you want it to be

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The only think this does is that it creates extra vertices that you could have been without, but it could be better performance wise if you have a bad shader for creating the effect you are looking for

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Just need to assign the new mesh to its own material, no need to split it from the main body, if you do just join it after you have done what you wanted

dense kelp
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Oh right i forgot the rest of it, a tad drowzy it seems

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After separating the tie, confirm that all of it had been selected by pressing H to hide it, if anything is left, you need to go back to your main mesh and repear the same steps, if you got multiple tie meshes, select them both at the same time and press ctrl+j to merge them, after that's all done, go to the materials tab, make a new material, name it whatever you want, delete the old material and the new material will be applied onto it, don't forget to add a texture to said material, afterwards, just merge the meshes all together with ctrl+j

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Oh and, alt+h to unhide everything

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Basically a relatively convoluted but foolproof way to set it up

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Easiest way to set it up, if you can select everything you want consistently, is by making a new material, selecting what you want on that material in edit mode, selecting the material and hitting assign

dull canyon
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does anyone know of some youtubers or streamers who sculpt characters and stuff in blender? apart from YanSculpts

spiral sigil
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So... I'm trying avatar uploading for the first time with a zero two avatar however whenever I load the avatar package up on on unity it is completely pink. So I looked up some tutorials to try and find out what to do and they simply dragged the appropriate materials to the appropriate spots. So then I tried that but when I opened the materials folder everything except the body material were all pink blobs and I have no idea what's going on. Is it my computer or the files themselves or something else? If anyone knows something please DM me.

zinc furnace
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You're probably downloading a premade avatar but you don't have shaders imported (such as Cubed's shaders)

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@spiral sigil

spiral sigil
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Oh. How do I get that and add it to my unity?

zinc furnace
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You just get it off Github

spiral sigil
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Oh, well I was going to go to sleep but if it's that simple of a fix I guess I'll stay up longer

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And yeah I'm trying to use a premade avatar

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One question. Does the shader have to go in blender or can I add it to unity? I just downloaded Noe Noe shader

zinc furnace
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In Unity

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Shaders in Blender are another matter and Unity shaders won't work in Blender

spiral sigil
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Okay

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Do I install the shader the same way I installed SDK?

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Just drag it into assets

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So I got cubed as well but it's appearing as a zip

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Ugh.... I don't know what I'm doing at all. I installed NoeNoe shader but the materials for the zero two avatar are still appearing pink.

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And it is six in the morning for me

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Just, someone please DM me info and help and I'll check the messages later. I cannot continue to deal with this stuff right now. Especially when I'm so tired.

zinc furnace
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@spiral sigil you need to manually change the shader on the material

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Select the pink materials and select a new shader, such as Standard or Noenoe Toon Opaque

mental coral
dull canyon
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is mapping the same as unwrapping?

tropic bear
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I don't think so, I've never heard it be referred to as mapping

latent charm
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Generally yes.
They both kinda refer to the act of mapping 3D geometry into 2D space.

dull canyon
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mkay

dull canyon
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@mental coral did you make that?

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wait

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goddammit discord

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stupid tabcomplete is so useless

spiral sigil
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I'm thinking that maybe I didn't install NoeNoe's shader correctly. All I did was drag and drop it into the assets folder of unity

modest mesa
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Anyone know why importing an FBX to blender that was exported from maya would cause it to become scuffed like this?

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the FBX imports A-OK to unity

gentle forum
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Like why it isn't flat

modest mesa
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Triangulate faces.

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it'll create an edge there.

mental coral
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Unwrapping / UV mapping are pretty much the same deal, yes. You are literally unwrapping the 3D mesh as if it were a flat surface and mapping pictures onto it. @dull canyon

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Also yeah I'm working on it now.

vast spire
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@mental coral adorable

sharp abyss
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That looks cute and weird at the same time. i need to find someone who can drawn and is willing to do some free work for a updated/ better nanachi model

mental coral
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What show is that character from?

sharp abyss
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The nanachi model?

mental coral
sharp abyss
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Yeah lol made in the abyss is a great anime

mental coral
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Oh it's called Made in the Abyss. I see.

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I follow like 1500+ accounts because I just like seeing all the art. 🤣

sharp abyss
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Still butt hurt i spent 32 bucks to go watch a recap movie because the theater didnt post any of the stuff realted to the movie

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but it had really nice audio and i got to rewatch the anime again lol

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Yeah its free on amazon if you have prime, not gonna spoil anything but it can be pretty dark and fucked up

strong thistle
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@modest mesa what's it look like in Unity wire frame

modest mesa
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Looks fine now, I got some help in a different 3d modeling discord, the problem was this...

"it was bad transforms from the geometry being parented directly to joints and not having the transforms frozen afterwards. Solution was to either unparent and skin geo as normal, or freeze transforms on those objects in hierarchy."

strong thistle
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kk

dull canyon
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@mental coral nice

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somehow all my faces look kinda old

hallow bough
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I don't think they look odd it just depends on what you're going for. You might have defined some features a bit too much though if going for realism I think it looks good :)

dull canyon
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well, at most I wanna go for semi-realistic or even more in the manga style

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

dull canyon
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but I guess I'd first have to just get any avatar into vrchat to see how it looks and how much more realistic or comic-y I wanna go

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guess it's really easy to fall in the uncanny valley with this stuff, especially when you don't know what style exactly you wanna go for

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if it's a manga styled base with realistic features it looks just as weird as a realistic base with manga styled features I guess

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and all I think I know is that I don't want to make yet another MMD like avatar, but also not one of these photo textured weird looking ones

dull canyon
silent junco
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thats disturbing

dull canyon
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thanks, I guess

silent junco
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its good

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but also disturbing

dull canyon
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what exactly? lack of ears/eyebrows/iris? or altogether? uncanny valley?

silent junco
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uncanny valle

dull canyon
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yeah, not surprised then

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I come from a very heavy manga/anime background so doing this stuff in 3d will bring some weird results in the beginning as I try to find the style I want to go with

radiant latch
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rip criticism

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It might definitely come together more when you add more features to it, as most textureless, bald and eyeless figures tend to look odd. Anatomy isn't something I've looked into a heck of a lot, nor do I draw it, but maybe the eyes are a bit big which gives off a more alien look

dull canyon
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yeah, every comic/manga character looks basically like an alien if you remove the hair and ears 😄

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but yeah, eyes could be smaller I guess

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thanks

radiant latch
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yw, good work on it so far

dull canyon
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yeah

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but yeah, lots of things to learn still

radiant latch
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you'll get there

umbral notch
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It looks amazing and very close to real life characteristics of the human face. Good job 🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻

dull canyon
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thanks, but it's far from good 😄

subtle jackal
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the trick to characters like that is more to remove detail and just exaggerate some major features like eyes

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looks similar to Danny Mac's characters.

gleaming ridge
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anyone know how to add a material on blender also anyone have a not so busy blender ui template for a novice 3d modeler thats why i dont use it too many buttons

ripe lotus
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I believe in you @dull canyon

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:D

dull canyon
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thanks 😄

dull canyon
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am I weird for actually looking forward to doing/learning retopology? 😮

subtle jackal
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Only if I'm weird for kinda liking UV mapping

gentle raptor
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Uhhh i accidently got myself into the animation scene in blender and idk how to get myself out

dull canyon
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shift + z

gentle raptor
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Tysm💖

dull canyon
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or bottom left to the right of "object mode"

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you have the different views

gentle raptor
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Got it. Tysm😅

dull canyon
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yw

alpine merlin
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can anyone give tips on texturing?

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so.. I just went in blender ..go to texture paint... add a new layer... made it gray.. add spots n smear them over... is this Im suppose to do it.. n then take my time doing every part or is there a better way

azure adder
dull canyon
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nice

silent acorn
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looks really great!

ripe lotus
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I dont hate retopoing but I dont think I like doing it either

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i guess its kinda relaxing if you have music on and just kinda go at it

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weird meditation xD

dull canyon
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well, personally I kinda love optimizing and tweaking things and stuff, and retopo looks basically like that

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take a messy complex sculpt and simplify and optimize it

silent acorn
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isn't retopo basically creating a new model with the old one as a template?

dull canyon
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it's creating a low poly optimized mesh on which to project the high poly sculpt

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a mesh that you can actually use for animation/rigging

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and games, by extension

silent acorn
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oh, that's really interesting! I'll put some research into it.

dull canyon
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just search retopology on youtube

silent acorn
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I've got this weird habit of making my models too low-poly anyways, though.. :P

dull canyon
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blender guru and flipped normals did some nice explanaion and examples

onyx juniper
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@azure adder That's not a robot

azure adder
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nope

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i can do more than robots

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i aint no one trick pony

storm kelp
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does anyone use 3d studio max?

stable edge
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no

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all 3dsmax users have been burned off the face of earth

fringe rock
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Change program 3ds max user. Its cool that you have scrip to convert rip game file. But in everydat life . You get fuck

desert crown
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@storm kelp i actually uses 3dsmax. But probably not for converting to fbx or creating bones or animation.

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its good for optimized, mirror edits, fixing model gaps and imports from other game models.

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use blender for basic import and editing instead

small cloud
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blender works for those things too.. what

spiral sigil
stable edge
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thats not how you spell piece

spiral sigil
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One thing I don't get abou this Wano Arc -- a bunch of people are super short for some odd reason I wonder if it's a Devil Fruit ability that turns people into small chibis.

spiral sigil
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hey guys, I want to make my avatar from my tenno (from the game Warframe), is it still recommended to use blender ? I do have C4D too

dull canyon
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pretty sure it's mostly a case of "use whatever you're comfortable with"

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but Blender has the Cats plugin which allows you to very easily prepare a model for vrchat

thorny fractal
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The tenno have very organic shaped pieces. Their armor look more biological then like hard metal pieces. I would look into sculpting them for getting the base model down.
Whatever you wanna use for sculpting it doesn't matter. I prefer zbeush but a lot of people use blender, 3d coat and mudbox are also options

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I don't really see the point in using cats for hand made models. I only ever use it for porting stuff

spiral sigil
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thanks @thorny fractal ! I will be looking forward to that, with learning the basics beforehand, and will be using a tenno without armor so it's almost only organic

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good thing is that I can use captura IG

onyx juniper
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I'm certain that "tenno" is an abstraction of the phrase "ten-year-old"

spiral sigil
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nah bruh they could quick yar arse without even being seen

ripe lotus
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In progress

onyx juniper
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You can master MY sword heh heh heh Not bad

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Is her head too long or does her scrawny neck make it seem that way?

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candid ocean
onyx juniper
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@candid ocean In blender?

candid ocean
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yea

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Messed it up...

onyx juniper
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Move the 3D cursor to where you want it first. If it's in the center, use Shift + S > Move Cursor to Center

candid ocean
onyx juniper
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Oh, you need the model moved back to center?

candid ocean
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yea

onyx juniper
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In that case it's Shift +S > Selection to Cursor

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With the object selected

candid ocean
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Doesn't do much but I gtg and brb in 15-20 min if you're still around

onyx juniper
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Okay

candid ocean
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@onyx juniper back!

onyx juniper
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Okay

candid ocean
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yea.. its f ed

onyx juniper
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Maybe you need to reset the origin, and then move the object

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Let me see where the object's origin is

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It's the orange dot you seein the viewport when an object is selected. Like this

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candid ocean
onyx juniper
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Or blue, right

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Yeah that'll do it

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Select the object and then use Shift + S Cursor to Selected

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@candid ocean

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Wait, I'm sorry

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Go in edit mode and select a vertex from the center of the model

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Then Shift + S Cursor to Selected

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Then in the Transform panel on the right look for the 3D Cursor location

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Change the Z and Y values to zero. For sure

candid ocean
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got it

onyx juniper
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Then go back into Object mode with your model selected, and go into the Object menu (right next to where it says Object Mode) and Select Object -> Transform -> Origin to 3D Cursor

candid ocean
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That 3d cursor thing always seems a bit weird

onyx juniper
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Now Shift + S -> Cursor to Center

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and then, finally, still in object mode with the object selected, Shift + S -> Selected to Cursor

candid ocean
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With everything selected?

onyx juniper
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Yes

candid ocean
onyx juniper
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Oh, whoops

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I guess you do need to do all that with the armature too

vapid portal
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Hey guys I new to avatar modeling, what version of blender do I use

onyx juniper
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@vapid portal 2.79 is the latest stable build, 2.8 is experimental

vapid portal
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Alright thanks for the help, really appreciate it

candid ocean
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ffffff it is weighted to the model

onyx juniper
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I should have told you to change the armature instead of the model, sorry

candid ocean
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ah

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:/

onyx juniper
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Problems still?

stable edge
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we will never know

velvet fable
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ok guys sooo

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um i am takking the hand of it

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of blender

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and im making stuff

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and i made this prostetich arm (sorry for my bad english im italian)

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the only thing that is left is the arm

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i added bones

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holdon how do i connect bones?

dull canyon
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connect them to each other?

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or to the mesh?

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in both cases you have to parent them

velvet fable
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h o w

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im a noob to blender

alpine merlin
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so I coundnt get a proper help or tips on texturing.. cant afford expensive programs to do textures..
am I doing alright right now?

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i just smudge them in blender

velvet fable
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nice

alpine merlin
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thank u.. but I need feedback.. I really dont know about doing textures.. or a proper way of doing it.

velvet fable
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it looks gud

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but im not that good at blender

stable edge
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ah, theres a lot of free image editing software so

alpine merlin
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..im not searching for a image software.. more like a 3d object painter.. but I give up looking for one so I just used blender..

stable edge
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I mean there are plenty of ways to do it so

velvet fable
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btw how do u connect bones 2gheter?

stable edge
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pretty sure cats can merge bones

velvet fable
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im new lmao

spiral sigil
alpine merlin
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already finished.

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but thank you.

velvet fable
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can someone help me telling how to connect bones plssss

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ok i did it

thorny fractal
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@alpine merlin good uv maps can make texturing a lot easier. So I would make that a focus. I've textured things straight in Photoshop before without the 3d viewer with some good success just with planning out my uvs. You can also do procedural node based textures in blender too and bake them out to the uv texture. That sculptris method that was linked might be referring to another method which is veetex painting a high poly version of the model then baking the vertex paint to the low poly. Which can also be done in blender

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Also painting in blender isn't that bad you can't have layers but there's things you can do to get around that. The biggest downside is probably when it comes to pbr painting

spiral sigil
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what's the count to look at in blender to not go past ? faces, tris or verts ?

dull canyon
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I think it was tris?

zinc furnace
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Tris, yes.

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Under 32k/70k tris

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The others don't matter as much

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Although for cloth, verts matter.

spiral sigil
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oh cool I thought I was already going a little bit too detailed on certain parts but i'm at 20k with subdivision on so it should be alright

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thank you @zinc furnace

zinc furnace
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70k is the upper limit and 32k is the suggested limit for "excellent" rank. As always, the lower the better

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But within 32k you should be absolutely fine, don't skimp on the details within that range.

spiral sigil
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i'm trying to get the body to look as right as possible at first, i'm at 20k without the head, hands and feet. it's my first hand made avatar so i'm pretty sure it won't be as optimized as it could be but i'm still doing my best

spiral sigil
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okay the head is a true pain to make

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in general, what level of subdivision do you use for your avatars ? just to count the tris to make sure i don't have too many

subtle jackal
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I generally don't use subdivision

ripe lotus
thorny fractal
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subdivision can make it really easy to hand model soft edges and organic stuff. with my last character i hand modeled the face with subdivision to give myself mroe control then went back and retopoed it to get better topology and make the poly count a lot lower

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i may be mistake but dosnt a mesh over 65k get automatically split in unity into 2 objects

dense kelp
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That was due to the old unity limitations, the current upperlimit for polygons is ridiculously higher

radiant latch
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Current is right version

onyx juniper
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Progress! Look at those shapely legs!

spiral sigil
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hey

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anybody got tips for modelling human lips, eye sockets and ears by hand ? i'm hand making my avatar and got the body shape already

lament pond
dull canyon
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sighs

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I should really spend more time working on my thing

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it's always the same, I feel like I wanna be productive, but then I can't find the energy or inspiration to, so I feel bad for not doing anything, so I have even less energy to do anything

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_>

radiant latch
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Get someone to always nag you to work on stuff

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Work on your stuff!

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I wanna see more!

dull canyon
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thanks. hopefully I'll get to do some stuff this weekend

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during the week I'm just never in the mood after work

lament pond
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Work on it now

radiant latch
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Dooooo it

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I definitely know the feeling though

dull canyon
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gonna make me some lunch now

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after that, hopefully

radiant latch
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You mean definitely

dusk creek
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hello

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is there a way to get dynamic measurements that can get modified? ie. click on the number and change the measurements of an objekt within the measurement? (if that makes any sense)

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because i know that in blender 2.8 you can measure stuff, it's just that those measurements cannot be affected/written and they don't change when the objekt does. also you can only have one of them at a time (as far as i know)

radiant latch
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Are you asking if you can display edge lengths?

dusk creek
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kind of yes

radiant latch
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What're you trying to measure? Is it like, an entire object, say, a gun from butt to the barrel kind of thing, or just to be able to always see the lengths of each edge?

dusk creek
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i think i am basically asking, if you can turn blender into something like a CAD program, where you can put in lengths and diameters and stuff

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i.e. i want my charackter measurements to be my real measurements, to get a more perfect fullbody experience, and for that i'd like to type in the measurements into some kind of grid (hop it makes sense)

radiant latch
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I get what you're asking. Give me a moment to get home and I'll see if I can help. I don't know how to do it off by heart

dusk creek
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ok nice 😃

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btw: i know that '3D MeasureIt'-Add-on exists, but there you can't 'type in' measurement ^^ that's kinda the only issue. i gonna wait, no hurry though 😃

radiant latch
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hmm, yeah, I thought that they had an option to just enable it like the edges, which it doesn't seem like they do for bones

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I've never dealt with addons myself, so I don't know of one that would help you, but you could always do a kind of work around to get the bones the exact length you want. Make a cube, or even just 2 vertices the length that you want, then set your cursor to one point, then select the end of one bone, and move that to the cursor. Then you do the other side too, and position the whole bone to where you need to, after that. That's all I can think of for it though. Someone else might jump on later who knows more

dusk creek
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that's kind what i would be doing, but it has to be easier, couldn't it? 😄 ok, hopefully there are gonna be more ^^ thx anyhow

radiant latch
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you would hope it was easier, lol. But yeah, good luck

velvet fable
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hello, is the bone arrangement ok for this model? (yea im still working on the hands and the head)

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(its not nsfw i didnt add textures)

zinc furnace
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You need Hips, Spine, Chest, Neck and Head in the spine hierarchy

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And each arm needs a shoulder, upper arm, lower arm and hand bone

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The legs seem fine

velvet fable
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so in the hierarchy i set those bones?

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can u show me how i make the hips, chest, neck and head?

radiant latch
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You essentially just need to break up the big bone you've got running through the body from waist to neck into 3 bones

velvet fable
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mhhk

radiant latch
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you can do that also by clicking the bone pressing W and then click subdivide

velvet fable
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fuck i cannot link the legs bones with the model

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cuz the upper part of the leg and the lower part of the leg is all one thing

radiant latch
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like, two separate skeletons?

velvet fable
radiant latch
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Oh, do you mean the model itself? You'll just need to rig it to the mesh

velvet fable
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w h a t ?

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im a noob

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can u help me?

radiant latch
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I can do my best to

velvet fable
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if i send u the model?

radiant latch
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well, I have stuff I'm working on at the moment, but I can try help you by telling you

velvet fable
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ok so as u can see the legs are all one part

radiant latch
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mhm

dull canyon
radiant latch
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looking much better Szena

velvet fable
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so how do i divide the legs in separate parts?

dull canyon
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thanks

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but I think I made the eyes too small/closed now?

radiant latch
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Or is that not what you mean?

velvet fable
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yeah

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and divide the legs two

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the two legs*

radiant latch
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So each leg is it's own model, is what you want?

velvet fable
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yes

radiant latch
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ok. Can you just go into edit mode (Tab) and get a closer screenshot where the legs meet the shorts, or whatever they are?

velvet fable
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right where the pants start

radiant latch
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and @dull canyon, I think the eyes look a lot better than before, definitely. I think from there it's personal preference, or character design as to what shape they are

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ok, are they connected to each other, maeio?

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Like, if you go into edit mode while the mesh is selected

velvet fable
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im in cofusion

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confusion*

radiant latch
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you should see the wireframe-ish look on it. And that's okay

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just do your best

dull canyon
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mkay

velvet fable
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mh

dull canyon
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so, when I sculpted the ears (cause I wanted to try sculpting instead of modeling) I learned that "only front faces" is your best friend when sculpting thin surfaces

velvet fable
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oh and i wanted to split the foots too but ok

radiant latch
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Yep that's the mode, but I want to see if you need to split the legs from the rest of it. So while in that mode, hit A to deselect everything (should remove all the orange) then zoom into where the legs connect with the legwear and try and select one edge at the top of the leg part, and then move it with G. If the model stretches from the legwear to the actual leg, they are connected and need to be split

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and yeah, Szena. I haven't done a lot of sculpting, but I learned that at one point too

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was pain before then

dull canyon
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yeah, I just randomly remembered hearing about that option before

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though I might try modeling them instead after all

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so they have a cleaner shape

velvet fable
radiant latch
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more like that

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pretend that's your leg

velvet fable
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mhk

radiant latch
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On the right track, but wrong spot. Do it where I did on mine, right at the top of the leg, where it meets the clothing

velvet fable
radiant latch
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Yep! So from that, it looks like the legs are connected with the pants, which is what I wanted to find out

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one sec

velvet fable
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ok

radiant latch
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Firstly, make sure edges are selected with that

velvet fable
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ok

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ok im ready

radiant latch
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Now try select around the leg like that, right at the point where you want to split them

dull canyon
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(holding shift)

radiant latch
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If you click one edge, you can hold Ctrl and click another one and it will try connect a selection between them

dull canyon
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or that

radiant latch
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But yes, also that, lol

dull canyon
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assuming the topology is clean enough

radiant latch
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Yeah. Be careful not to go too far with the separate clicks, as topology (the geometry of the lines), might be a bit weird and it will do some weird paths

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after you have it selected, hit ctrl + E, and edge split them

velvet fable
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one leg or all of the legs?

radiant latch
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One leg at a time, if you want, but you will do both

velvet fable
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ok np

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now?

radiant latch
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But after you split then, it will have both edges selected, so deselect with A, and then hold Alt, and click the very top of the edge again

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if it loops all the way around, that's good, try drag that too see that it comes apart like mine did

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But anyway, now that that's split, if you hover your cursor over the lower leg part, you can press L to select all the connected parts of the model

velvet fable
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yay it comes appart

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ok

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so if i want i can do that with the foor?

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foor*

radiant latch
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hang on a sec

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one more step, kind of

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Press L on that lower part to select it all, and then press P, and separate it by "selection"

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That will make them two separate models

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doing that, you can hide that leg part with H and then do the same with the foot if that's connected

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But you can always check what's connected to what by pressing L

velvet fable
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ok

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i did that with the other leg too

radiant latch
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alrighty, good work

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So you can do that for each foot, too

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If you just have the feet selected, and they're both the same model, you just select one whole foot and then P to separate it

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if you did them 1 by 1, that shouldn't be needed, as they'd be separated anyway

velvet fable
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so basicaly i do the same thing with the feets?

radiant latch
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Yep. If you need to

velvet fable
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ok

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lemme try to solve this my myself

radiant latch
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go for it, good luck

velvet fable
radiant latch
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What's your goal at the moment? I assume you're breaking these up to attach them to the skeleton

velvet fable
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yes

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ok it works

radiant latch
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Ok, you shouldn't need to be splitting the mesh like that to prepare it for rigging

velvet fable
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if i want to merge the foots with the shoes

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sooooo

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i didnt need to do that P and then select ''selected''?

radiant latch
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well, that is a really helpful and important thing to know with blender, so I'd say whether for this task or not, it's still something you should know, and separating the legs from the pants might help make things tidier

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But no, for rigging, you should have everything that should be connected, connected

velvet fable
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@radiant latch

radiant latch
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The way rigging works, is it has weights on the different parts of the model. The weights are essentially how much of the mesh a bone is going to manipulate. So if you have 100% weights on the foot applied to the foot bone, it's going to go where the foot bone goes

velvet fable
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so for vrchat i dont have to do that P thing?

radiant latch
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vrchat isn't really considered at this point. This is making sure your model is working and moves correctly, which in the end, can be related to anything you need to bring the model in to

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the P thing is just splitting models up which can help in all sorts of areas

velvet fable
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oh ok

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how do i merge the foot with the shoe tho?

radiant latch
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So that one is pretty easy. If you select two objects, you hit Ctrl + J

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that one's easier to think of, as you can imagine the J as part of the word "Join"

velvet fable
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i want to split these two parts

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h o w?

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what about we talk in dm?

radiant latch
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sure

tropic bear
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here's a question for you lot

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are there any free/paid video tutorials on texturing a character from start to finish in substance painter?

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im looking for something quite extensive because i'm very basic at it

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so far i've found one on flippednormals for $70, but if you guys have any other reccomendations before i go and buy one i'd love to hear

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already took a peek at skillshare but there's nothing really extensive on there about substance

subtle jackal
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Nothing that in-depth naw

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To be honest though unless you're doing realistic textures I wouldn't recommend substance for it

thorny fractal
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ya i only ever use substance for pbr texturing. the brush engine in it is really bad too so dont expect to do WoW like hand painted textures in it. most people use 3dCoat for that. i usually just use a mixture of photoshop and blender texture painter for stylized stuff. and if i want to make pbr textures for it later on i bring my diffuse maps into substance and make my metallic and roughness in there

tired bay
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lol

alpine merlin
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yeh subtance would be best.. but I coundnt find anything I needed so I just painted it myself in blender... u know smudges n dots

📎 unknown.png
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n learning to layer

dull canyon
thin bison
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You should look into doing a retopo and then use the multires modifier if you're to work at high polycounts

dull canyon
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that feels like a lot of extra work

thin bison
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May feel like it, but dyntopo isn't very good for higher details

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It works best for blocking out the form of the model

dull canyon
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hm, I see a lot of people use it for this stuff tho

thin bison
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If you're talking about Yansculpts and others they tend to have lower res on the dyntopo

dull canyon
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mkay

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around what value tho

thin bison
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In Yans daredevil video you can see the dyntopo value clearly

dull canyon
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yeah but he's using relative detail

subtle jackal
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just make sure you set the dyntopo mode to collapse as well as generate

dull canyon
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well, guess time to start over then

thin bison
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No need to, you can easily change the settings and fix it

subtle jackal
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Yeah the dyntopo mode can be changed at any time, it just sets it so that as you go over parts it will also collapse unnecessary triangles back to bigger ones

dull canyon
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I know

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but I feel like that'd just fuck things up

subtle jackal
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not really

thin bison
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It might kill some of the details you've worked in but that can easily be fixed

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This is one of the reasons why sculpting is so widely used now. You can easily rework stuff

dull canyon
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mkay

dull canyon
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so, would it be possible to use blenders hair particles with a custom shape to do something like fur on a tail?

thorny fractal
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@alpine merlin idk if you read what i said. but if your going for a kinda hand painted cartoony style i honestly wouldnt use substance because of how bad the brush engine is for actaully painting. although the program is called sutbance PAINTER you dont do that much actual painting in it

alpine merlin
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Oh I wanted a mmd, cartoon style.

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So lm slowly learning to hand paint one. I mention substance cause u know... Its for making realistic stuff but idk.. U could get some cartoon idk much

thorny fractal
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if you really need to be able to paint on the model itself then i would stick with blenders texture painter, and try to work around its kinks. or maybe try somthing like 3d coat since its brush engine is a lot better

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i usually just use photoshop and hand paint the texture and theen i bring them into blender texture painter to patch up the seams

alpine merlin
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Nah I'm getting used in blender atm

thorny fractal
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theres a plugin for texture painting in blender that looks pretty cool and adds layers and stuff but its like $40 and idk if its tgetting a 2.8 version

dull canyon
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don't all blender addons have to be open source/under the same license as blender?

thorny fractal
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im not sure

alpine merlin
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Bpainter?

thorny fractal
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i usually am hesitant to buy addons tho unless i know they are getting a 2.8 release since 2.8 is just around the corner

alpine merlin
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Owh in have it already haven't mess around yet

thorny fractal
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i think blenders brush engine for texture painting is decent. its a hell of a lot better then subtasnces/ i just think its workflow/ tools and lack of layers and stuff is just awful

alpine merlin
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It's everywhere.

thorny fractal
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if your gonna do texturing in photoshop or somthing too then you need to think carefully about how your gonna lay out your uvs to make it easier on yourself to texture them too

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and maybe tryu backing around like a curvature map or somthing uz you can overlay that onto your texture and color tint it to get some neat effects

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same with an AO map

alpine merlin
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I havent went deep in texturing yet..

thorny fractal
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but its really dependant on how you want it to look

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im gussing you dont have a highpoly model to bakje from so backing out a curvarture and AO probably wouldnt look all that great for your case but you could try

alpine merlin
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Yeh that's true. Im already happy enough I can layers now in blender.. Than me smudging stuff

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Nope not high poly... I just stretch them make them low poly n color em

thorny fractal
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for doing other textures in phoptoshop the UV squares addon can help a lot. even tho it can bring in some uv strething some times its a sacrifice to make it easier for you to texture things by hand

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this is the texture for my last characters cloths. and i made the whole skirt one big block. it has some stretching but it made it really easy to put the stripes in it and stuff

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just some things to think about

alpine merlin
spiral sigil
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@dull canyon There is a plugin that streamlines the flow of baking particles to hair cards in Blender, you can find it here: https://gumroad.com/l/hairtool but I think that's doable manually as well. I'm getting some results for this query: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=blender+particle+hair+to+hair+cards

Gumroad
Hair Tool for Blender

I developed Hair Tool, addon for Blender, to simplify creation process of low/medium poly hair models. This addon will help you generate hair mesh ribbons with uv's from bezier/nurbs curves. It is how most current games are doing hairs for characters. For blender 2.8 use Hair...

blender particle hair to hair cards - YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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didn't check any of those tutorials so can't say for sure, I just remember this being done somewhere.

dull canyon
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ok, so it's advanced stuff then. I got no idea what hair cards are

spiral sigil
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Hair cards are planes with hair textures. Most effective way of faking hair in engines.

dull canyon
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ok

spiral sigil
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there are some cool breakdowns and a link to a paper from Shadow of the Colossus, if you're looking for more recent stuff, https://www.artstation.com/lithvall has released a detailed tutorial for Maya with hair methods they used in Horizon Zero Dawn. From what I've seen a lot of that can be applied to Blender.

ArtStation
Johan Lithvall

Freelancing hair specialist

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have a nice 8 weeks of learning stuff 😆

halcyon citrus
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inspired by the real one so I had to make it.

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If anyone wants one, let me know. It is my gift to everyone.

onyx juniper
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Womp womp

fleet frigate
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Anyone know any good 3d model websites that I could use? I'm currently using model-resource.com as my main source.

random tartan
marsh hatch
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@fleet frigate Learn to make your own, unless you happen to just want to be [insert existing game character].

ripe lotus
ebon willow
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Does anyone have a model for "tom" from toonami?

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the model I've been working with has bad hands

thorny fractal
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on the topic of hair cards, i found this the other day. looks neat

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and the video of hair szena linked before wasnt particle hair, it was curves with an anisotropic shader and an alpha to feather the edges.

small valve
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hello, i have a question about model UVs and what not

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so im currently working on making a minecraft character rig from scratch half as a meme, half as a quest avatar, and half as a fun project to wet my feet with 3d modeling

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and im using an upscaled image of a normal minecraft skin for my texture in case i want to add certain details here and there after the fact, like normal maps

harsh torrent
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what do i need to make my own model?

small valve
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it looks blurry as hell in blender though

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whatever tools you need. blender is a must have unless you've got your eyes on other programs you might like, and keep an image editor like photoshop on hand just in case

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normal map generators are also nice to have if u want

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thats my 2 cents tho since im just starting

harsh torrent
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i just need a model creator

small valve
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those are model creators. you use the tools to make a thing. you're not gonna have one tool that just does everything for you, unless thats exactly what you want?

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in which case i dont really know but i do know that things like that exist somewhere

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where you can just stick together parts here and there really easily and then bring it into mixamo for rigging

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but like ask someone who actually knows cuz i really am still at the surface here ^ ^`

harsh torrent
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well i was thinking about making a big smoke model

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but it would take a lot of time

small valve
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there's probably a ton of already rigged rips of him somewhere on the internet

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maybe on the steam workshop or on shadier websites

harsh torrent
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ive already looked. all there are is fake models that crash my interface

small valve
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if you strike gold you may not have to rig at all, and you can just import it as you would any other avatar that you take from deviantart

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oof. you're likely gonna have to do some frankenstining or make him from scratch then

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or you can commission someone!

harsh torrent
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well i figured but ive never made a model before

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i cant commission someone because i dont have the money

small valve
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oof. well, today's a better day then any to start learning

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i can give you some tips here and there since i think were the only people using this chat right now'

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id reccommend starting by learning how to do some basic mesh creation and edits in blender

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and working your way up to sculpting him entirely

harsh torrent
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well i know how to make mesh i make maps for games

small valve
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then learn how to make a rig (easy) and weight paint the mesh onto the rig (fucking hard as shit)

harsh torrent
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isnt there an easier way?

small valve
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and then texturing him. im not familiar with this part so you're kinda on your own, but it does involve unwrapping the poor guy onto a flat image and then messing around with that

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then stick him back together and you sohuld be good

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mhm! many

harsh torrent
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i thought there was an easier way

small valve
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you can rip assets here and there from existing models and slap them onto a base

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and like i said, there is probably many avatar creators out there that just make everything for you

harsh torrent
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i dont expect him to have many physics like maybe a little jiggle physics

small valve
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but once again, i wouldnt know since ive never looked for them, i prefer to do things from scratch

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but it shouldnt be too hard to look for stuff like that, i hope...

harsh torrent
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ill see wut i can do. im gonna send you a friend request so i can hit you up if i need any help sound cool?

small valve
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mhm

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^ ^

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anyway, miles above here is a screenshot of my blurry ass cancer minecraft character

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and my main things im asking for is

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1> how do i make the poor girl not blurry? ive already fucked with the texture image sampling and that hanst helped

harsh torrent
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rn im trying to also find 5 players with full body tracking who are willing to get a screenshot for me. i want to get a vr chat snapshot of the ginyu force

small valve
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2 > how do i remove some of the artifacts appearing at the edge of the meshes that are "bleeding" from the edges of the model parts?

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im assuming this has something to do with the blurriness as well

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and 3:

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i have another picture for this one because ii gotta explain

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if oyu havent played minecraft in a while (or ever), all of the skins have two layers

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one under layer that is basically your base where you can paint stuff

harsh torrent
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ever think of shortening it?

small valve
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and a "jacket" layer above where you can add cute shit like hair and, well, a jacket, and other clothes bits

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the issue is that im not sure how to make cutoffs properly work in unity when using things like cibbi's shaders

harsh torrent
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u shouldnt need shaders

small valve
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it works fine for letting the hair be transparent, but in-game the ends of my amrs and feet are see-thru, as well as the bottom of my head

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i mean its hard to avoid shaders when you have to use a material

harsh torrent
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add more of the model. copy paste the arms, legs and torso a few times over. it may work

small valve
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anyway, im wondering why its only letting parts of my models show through, and i hope that i dont have to start deleting parts of the mesh since i want it to be able to take any skin as an input

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and idk about that one. thats not gonna fix an issue with the material i think, and even if it did, it would just make it heavier on the system

harsh torrent
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can you add solid parts to the model?

small valve
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uh

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yes?

harsh torrent
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is that a firm yes?

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if you can add solid parts that bend with the model. it should work

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i gtg i can talk with you about this more tomorrow. have a good day

crude frost
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I told him what was wrong in DMs and sall good now

small valve
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motivational stuff for yall whether ur working on shit or new to 3d modeling and setting up an avatar:

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it took me 4 days to make a fucking minecraft avatar as my first from-scratch build but i did it, its polished, and i couldnt be any happier

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some of you might take longer or shorter to finish/start whatever infinitely more ambitious projects ur working on rn but the important thing is that you keep at it and you finish it

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cuz that feeling of seeing it in game is like no other

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i believe in yall

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^ ^

dull canyon
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yeah, I'm tempted to just finally get the one I'm working on done and in the game just so I can see it moving around 😄

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even if it's super bad

silent acorn
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my first from-scratch was terrible, but it still took the better part of a month

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I'd post updates here for every single bit of progress I made ;>_>

dull canyon
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yeah, same

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I need to kick myself in the ass more to work on it on a semi daily base, not just on the weekends

scarlet dust
stable edge
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that looks amazing, wow

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keep it up!

small valve
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question

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my elbows dont appear to bend properly in vrchat

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i set up full body IK for my avatar yesterday, and the way that i have my bones mapped means that only the bottom half of my arm should be twisting for my wrists

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but instead the entire thing twists if i twist one of my controllers, elbow and all

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and i cant tell if its a weight painting thing or if its a rigging thing

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the arm in question is this one so it should be an easy fix

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i just want my elbow to only rotate on one axis, as any normal elbow should

clever quail
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I've been following a modeling tutorial to get into 3d modeling, but the tutorial suggests cleaning up edges and vertices after using a boolean modifier so that it doesn't screw up a subsurf modifier. Hoping to avoid extra work, I was wondering if it's necessary to have a subsurf modifier or if it's even necessary to fix up edges/vertices after using a boolean modifier to establish proper direction on the mesh faces?

white crypt
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@small valve Do you have a screenshot of the issue?

small valve
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oof not atm

gritty bridge
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Made the Master Sword for my Classes and its looking mint👏🏻😩

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stable edge
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mmmm

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noice

small valve
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good shit

dull canyon
edgy fjord
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@dull canyon looks good

dull canyon
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thanks, but there's so many issues >_>

edgy fjord
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like ?

dull canyon
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feel like the whole anatomy is off

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no defintion of muscles and landmarks

edgy fjord
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but it looks good so far

dull canyon
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feel like the head is too small but I don't know anymore

edgy fjord
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no it looks good maybe just be bottom side is a little bit bigger than the top side

subtle jackal
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just use lots of reference and don't stress too hard. This is why I suggested going more simple in the beginning you don't have to learn everything all at once lol

dull canyon
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I guess

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well I am using reference

edgy fjord
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what is all your references

dull canyon
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a giant PureRef canvas and the anatomy for sculptors book

edgy fjord
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can you put the images up?

dull canyon
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erm, not really

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it's like 160mb worth of images

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most of them nsfw

subtle jackal
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Don't just use anatomical reference. Gather reference for everything. Look at models done in the style you want to aim for, etc. Look at what details they hone in on and which they omit. Ask yourself why and figure out where to focus your attention.

dull canyon
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yeah

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that's what I'm doing

subtle jackal
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alright good

dull canyon
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the main issue is probably that I don't have a clear direction where I wanna go with this

subtle jackal
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long as you stick to that you should be able to find out where to go from here honestly. You just gotta kinda use that all to envision what your finished project will be, and work towards that.

dull canyon
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other than a vrchat avatar

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yeah that's the issue I think

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I'm just sculpting away with a very blurry vision

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literally and figuratively... my eyes are giving me some issues again lately >_>

subtle jackal
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well, you seem to like the style of Yansculpts stuff. I'd maybe envision something like that and work at it

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I'd check out Danny Mac too, his style is similar and should work with your character

dull canyon
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mkay

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thanks

subtle jackal
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np. I mean obviously if you want to aim for something different then do that, but it's definitely important to have a pretty clear idea of what you're working towards. At least in style if not in exact design

dull canyon
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yeah, it's like that with all in my life really...

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I have no clear direction or a goal

subtle jackal
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The design itself can be tweaked pretty easily, but the style basically dictates how you should approach everything you do

dull canyon
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yeah

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on the one hand I feel like I should learn how to do "semirealistic" stuff first to learn the proper rules before I break them, on the other hand I'm already so much into the stylized that it all just looks creepy when I try to do that

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but I guess I should maybe just

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block everything in and get the general anatomy right

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and then slowly add details to the point where it looks good to me

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or something

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I have the tendency to just jump straight into detail cause that's where you see the most stuff happening so it's like immediate reward

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but then everything is out of whack

subtle jackal
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pretty much. But again it's not super necessary to go super realistic, especially just starting out. Hell in most forms of art people tend to start stylized first, then work at realism, then improve their stylized work

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nothing stopping you from doing another avatar later once you've learned more and practiced some

dull canyon
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well, again you should at least know the rules first

subtle jackal
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eh, screw the rules 😛

dull canyon
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cause all that style really is is breaking and bending the general rules in a way that is attractive to you

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no matter how cute or cool your "style" is, if the anatomy, the basic framework, is wrong it will always look off

subtle jackal
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well that's why reference helps. You can emulate other people and learn that way, then branch off into your own style as you improve

dull canyon
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mhm