#3d-modeling | VRChat | Page 42

small cloud May 9, 2018, 5:48 PM

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ctrl+TAB is shoftcut in edit mode for mode change

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 5:51 PM

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thx, this makes the work much easyier^^..

covert fractal May 9, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Anyone know where I could possibly find a TV remote control model (for free), that I can add to my world?

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 5:56 PM

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on all 3d model website you can download stuff for free^^ like sketchfab.com or turbosquid.com and so on

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and use the "downloadable" filter

covert fractal May 9, 2018, 6:01 PM

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How can I look for 'only free', when on those websites?

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 6:03 PM

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when you click on Free in the filters, on some website like turbosquid you have to click on Price and click on Free

solid shale May 9, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Messing with a friend's model for vrchat and wondered if 18K is really too bad a polycount

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I could remove some covered areas but it's a pretty clean and even mesh to begin with

zinc furnace May 9, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Nah

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Ignore those warnings, polycount has almost zero impact on performance.

solid shale May 9, 2018, 6:06 PM

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That's cool

zinc furnace May 9, 2018, 6:06 PM

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The difference between 10k and 20 will be absolutely negligible

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What matters is material counts

solid shale May 9, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Ran fine on mine but I was worried people on toasters would cry for my blood

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And yeah, materials is going to be tricky. There's a whole bunch of different textures on it

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/427506649511755777/443168014972485653/20180507224848_1.jpg

zinc furnace May 9, 2018, 6:10 PM

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That's fine, there's texture atlasing for that.

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Tupper has a guide on manual atlasing

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Not strictly necessary but I would absolutely recommend it if you have more than 4 materials

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Texture atlasing gets easier with less materials though, so I end up doing it anyway

solid shale May 9, 2018, 6:13 PM

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So far there's ones for the body and 'hair'

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But I may give the eyes their own since they're blurry and may need one for the metals

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https://i.imgur.com/6drVN3P.jpg It's the amount of 2048 textures that worry me

Imgur

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 6:27 PM

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what can be the problem when on some faces the new circles will not be there like on the picture?? https://abload.de/img/bild424ol6.png

solid shale May 9, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Looks like stray verts

latent charm May 9, 2018, 6:31 PM

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@flat oriole You've got a extra/double edge/face of some sort. Look at how the edge the loop cuts refuse to cross over looks different?
You might have accidentally split it, or split & filled with a triangle or an n-gon that the loop cut can't cross through.

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 6:31 PM

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what o.O

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ah yes, there was a single face inside lol

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 8:33 PM

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now i finish my rigging and weight painting, how can i add the viseme stuff/ shape keys?

blissful sleet May 9, 2018, 9:03 PM

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create shape keys and use proportional editing to shape the face

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 9:11 PM

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i dont have the value bar by shape keys? is the shape key function depending on some other stuff?

blissful sleet May 9, 2018, 9:22 PM

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click the plus to add shape keys?

flat oriole May 9, 2018, 9:25 PM

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no doesnt work

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an other question, because of i made new face parts on the mesh the texture is not looking correct on this new faces, how can i fix this?

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shape key problem fixed btw.*

blissful sleet May 9, 2018, 9:42 PM

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have to unwrap the new faces as well

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and do whatever texturing needs to be done

gusty crypt May 9, 2018, 11:15 PM

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so anyone know any simple way to make a curve like this. it is a Bezier curve and has no mesh so i can not joint it to the head. i tried creating a torus and editing it but having some trouble . https://s1.gifyu.com/images/blender_2018-05-09_16-13-27.png

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nvm sorry should have done some research i found out how to do it thank for those that saw

brave dune May 9, 2018, 11:27 PM

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should be able to jsut turn the bezier curve into a mesh

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Alt + C can be used to convert a bazier curve into a mesh

gusty crypt May 9, 2018, 11:39 PM

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yeah thank you very much. i will have to use that more often.

mental blaze May 10, 2018, 7:24 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353351685982388234/444036750524809216/LLENN_Progress_5.png
The face is okay for now, but I'll have to redo the hair again after the props are modeled.

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 12:03 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/81341dd9d5c659ab32be79ddb1579d18.png The Tiny Penetrator Robot Boy deserves a little six pack

mental blaze May 10, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Looks good so far.

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 4:31 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/dfcacd2a97427ecf8d0fc0cb9a074246.png sharing my progress here, because I want to show it to someone and noone I know cares about this.

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Ball jointed legs and hinge jointed knees.

hasty crane May 10, 2018, 4:49 PM

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could someone help me? I got a problem with wing where I added extra bones so I could lower them below my back, however this happens

static sun May 10, 2018, 4:49 PM

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looking good so far @spare fulcrum

hasty crane May 10, 2018, 4:49 PM

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https://gyazo.com/e4acd7e708f87f8ae4643ac37d5e5536

Gyazo

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https://gyazo.com/933def28d13063508ff8e057871fd182

Gyazo

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Thank you, @static sun

hasty crane May 10, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Would anyone know a way to fix this without getting rid of its thickness

static sun May 10, 2018, 4:51 PM

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np... im just fixing some topology on my character atm

blissful sleet May 10, 2018, 5:09 PM

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what's the problem @hasty crane

hasty crane May 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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That outline you're seeing normally connects the front side of the wing with the backside for added depth but moves out of its position

static sun May 10, 2018, 5:45 PM

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If you wanna keep it low impact, just use a flat plane and a transparency cutout

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 6:07 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/c5511a4ba9f2199e72b5cdf2f6bbb57b.png for a moment I freaked out because I thought some iron giant was peeking at me in Blender, but then I realised that's just the robot's thumb...

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 7:07 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/e83e4122ff024adc48fd3eac0f505b65.png The model is slowly entering puberty

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https://i.gyazo.com/e82ca2b4c4b202b4cc0d9b60b1871ab0.png has come a pretty long way

flat oriole May 10, 2018, 7:13 PM

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i know i can fill square gabs with bridge edge loops, but how can i fill triangle gabs?

indigo hatch May 10, 2018, 7:13 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/791896f162587bea6df0d9845f18b451.png

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can i make my sweater visible? lol

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it doesn't show up in blender 👀

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kinda need it cause i'm frankensteining something

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 7:14 PM

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@flat oriole Select only 2 edges and it'll make a triangle.

flat oriole May 10, 2018, 7:16 PM

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i get everytime an error: "Select at least two edge loops"

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 7:16 PM

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What program?`

flat oriole May 10, 2018, 7:16 PM

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blender

spare fulcrum May 10, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Select two edges and press F in edit mode

flat oriole May 10, 2018, 7:17 PM

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ah ok, thx

indigo hatch May 10, 2018, 7:26 PM

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nvm found it

green terrace May 10, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Eyy

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I'm new

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Mostly here for announcements but if anyone here ever needs help with Blender, feel free to ping me

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I'm like a walking encyclopedia 👍

static sun May 10, 2018, 9:27 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/444246375807320064/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/444246514328403968/unknown.png

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19k with detailed teeth, fingers and toes <. <

static sun May 10, 2018, 9:48 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/444254107801354251/unknown.png

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added eyelashes for more sex appeal close up <. <

green terrace May 10, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Oh I remember my LiS days

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I've worked a lot with the models

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Haven't even played BTS yet

static sun May 10, 2018, 9:49 PM

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do et D:

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and bring tissues for Farewell

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also i created the character from scratch <. < didnt pull it from the game ^- ^"

green terrace May 10, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I've done a few level commissions for fan projects here and there but mostly it was during my 3D learning phase so I didn't create a whole lot of original content other than an HD re-texture of Chloe

static sun May 10, 2018, 9:57 PM

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i do all my stuff from scratch

green terrace May 10, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Nowadays I do that too of course 😄

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That was over 2 years ago when I wasn't confident enough with that

static sun May 10, 2018, 9:58 PM

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awesome

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i have 4 years in the games industry as a 3D artist and nearly 10 years total 3D experience

green terrace May 10, 2018, 10:00 PM

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I'm at about 5 years now. Started working on my first large scale Game project in January

static sun May 10, 2018, 10:00 PM

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awesome

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im coming round to the end of my first commercial project that should be out by the end of the year

green terrace May 10, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Would love to know more, maybe ping me a link in the lobby channel, I'm heading off for today so I can look at it tomorrow

static sun May 10, 2018, 10:05 PM

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we dont have a discord ^- ^" maybe after launch

green terrace May 10, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Ah so it's all confidential still then

static sun May 10, 2018, 10:06 PM

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yus

flat oriole May 10, 2018, 10:42 PM

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how can i connect single mesh parts together? in blender

eternal crow May 10, 2018, 11:10 PM

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i really wanna make this one but its got so many tiny pieces https://image.prntscr.com/image/y7c7zhctTquk8Gz1D7F4eg.png

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just the weapon not the character

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but for now ill just work on the sword

static sun May 10, 2018, 11:17 PM

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not really

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thats hard cause of the style not the parts ^- ^"

eternal crow May 10, 2018, 11:37 PM

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well im still kind of new to hand modeling so its a bit difficult on my skill level

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http://prntscr.com/jgcjl7 i also have a image of it at a upwards angle

Lightshot

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Captured with Lightshot

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 12:21 AM

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between two mesh parts i have a gab, how can i fill the gab? (blender)

static sun May 11, 2018, 12:23 AM

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bridge

eternal crow May 11, 2018, 12:26 AM

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kinda how like this one lacks a lower torso and shoulders?

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http://prntscr.com/jgcwr3

Lightshot

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which are basically huge ass gaps

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 12:54 AM

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@static sun how?...

static sun May 11, 2018, 12:55 AM

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select 2 edges and hit F

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 12:58 AM

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there are two different meshes, i can only click on one mesh to edit

static sun May 11, 2018, 12:58 AM

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join them together first

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 12:59 AM

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probably you mean ctrl + j?

static sun May 11, 2018, 12:59 AM

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yh

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 1:00 AM

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ok but then i have a new problem with the material, because i can see the texture only on one part of the new mesh

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:00 AM

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i cant help you there

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 1:00 AM

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jea...

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:01 AM

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sorry... i make all my stuff from scratch and dont get these issues

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:01 AM

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he's working with a mesh that already has uv mapping on it.

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so whatever is on the mesh is being distorted.

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:02 AM

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just UV the newly added faces then

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:02 AM

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^

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Maya auto UV's

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 1:03 AM

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easy to say.. i dont know how to work with uv mapping

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:03 AM

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results arnt clean but its there

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select the faces, hit U

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then in the UV panel hit "G" to move them around, "S" to scale, "R" to rotate

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:04 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353351685982388234/444303801403310081/LLENN_Progress_6.png

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:05 AM

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that looks kinda creepy o. o

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:05 AM

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The face doesn't match the reference, but it's a start

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 1:09 AM

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after pressing u i dont see a new panel

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:09 AM

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I'm not used to modeling moe anime faces.

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watch a tutorial on uv mapping, m8

flat oriole May 11, 2018, 1:11 AM

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i did, but i cannot comprehend it for my situation

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:13 AM

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fuq, even my bro said the model looked creepy.

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im doing something wrong

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:13 AM

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its the area under the nose

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:14 AM

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I modeled exactly what the side of her face looks

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no extruding nose

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:14 AM

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the reason why i sculpt and retopo instead of freehand model characters is cause you get the face planes and forms down properly and avoid this level of creepy <. <

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the issue is you box modelled it

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:15 AM

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is edge and box modeling the same thing?

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:16 AM

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Box modelling and edge modelling are the same

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its basically where you extrude faces, verts, edges and form a shape

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good for things like cars, buildings and weapons

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bad for anything organic like characters

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhkmwB10-WM

YouTube

He77ga

3D Character Design Contest 2016 - Character Creation part 1

sculpting (zbrush) modeling\retopology (3ds max\3d-coat) texturing (substance painter)

▶ Play video

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you get a more natural feel if you sculpt then retopologies

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:19 AM

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I'll give it a try after I make the p90 and combat knife

static sun May 11, 2018, 1:20 AM

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blenders sculpt tool is half decent... look at Yan's work on youtube for tips and tricks

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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mouth/nose area cleaned up and ready for sculpting

quasi flame May 11, 2018, 4:28 AM

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sexy robot legs, check!
https://i.imgur.com/6VJYhrK.png

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hot flint May 11, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Looking clean as heck!

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well done!

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also noticed that you bumped up the tris on the chest, haah

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it was originally very deprived

hallow shore May 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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https://imgur.com/gallery/JQ5lSUE you can probably guess what this is

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Mario progress

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Any tips on making right and left hands symmetrical?

quasi flame May 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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mirror modifier if that's blender

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:37 AM

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And if you have no keyshapes

hallow shore May 11, 2018, 5:43 AM

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i use maya, but thanks anyway~

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:44 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353351685982388234/444373924059414538/LLENN_Progress_7.png
I found her sheet reference, now the colors are set. (p90 model placeholder used)

hallow shore May 11, 2018, 5:45 AM

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👌 cute

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Your models face isn't cartoon or real enough

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That's why it looks off

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It's in uncanny valley

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:55 AM

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that was an interesting google search, m8.

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:56 AM

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The eyes are too open for the iris and co the hair shading is weird and the middle of the nose/mouth is extruded too much

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:56 AM

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but yeah, the face will get a do-over in sculpt mode after the other props are made.

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already fixed the nose/mouth disfiguration

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Dunno what you mean by google search

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:57 AM

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never heard the term uncanny valley

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Ah ok

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The body seems mostly fine

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Oh, I had no problem working with the body

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it's just faces is where I'm lacking

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:58 AM

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But the shoulders might be for too high for a childish character

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:58 AM

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I'm working strictly from the character sheet reference

stable edge May 11, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Unless their arms are usually that stiff

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 5:59 AM

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I'll give a look at the proportions though.

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thanks for the feedback, dude :>

stable edge May 11, 2018, 6:00 AM

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All g!

hallow shore May 11, 2018, 6:00 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/CHqEvCN make this next

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mental blaze May 11, 2018, 6:01 AM

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:<

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The sound effects of his mouth...

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I remember it

hallow shore May 11, 2018, 6:01 AM

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smack

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Just checked the sheet, I have to scale up the head ._.

stable edge May 11, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Make sure the eyes look good

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Like overall

mental blaze May 11, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Oh I know, the most important element of all

stable edge May 11, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Right now they just kinda stare soullessly

quasi flame May 11, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Maya has the same thing, you make an instanced duplicate special across the axis

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@hallow shore

junior idol May 11, 2018, 9:01 AM

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anyone have tips on how to model a face?

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 9:38 AM

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I did it like this - start with a ball, then for the chin, then the jaw, and then the cheekbones. You have the basic front shape then, and going from there should be fairly natural.

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https://opengameart.org/sites/default/files/human_male_face.png for a low poly example.

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https://s3.envato.com/files/18241030/Human Head Base Mesh - Preview Image1.jpg for a slightly higher quality example.

junior idol May 11, 2018, 9:49 AM

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thank

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 9:50 AM

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Damn, that low poly example is hot, I'm definitely going to take some guidelines from that to my own model.

static sun May 11, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Just look at face topology examples

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 10:15 AM

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http://cryrid.com/3d/temp/planes.jpg for some reason the low poly faces look amazing to me

junior idol May 11, 2018, 10:19 AM

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👀

static sun May 11, 2018, 10:27 AM

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The ngons don't help it

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Only the last pic seems to have an ngon

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The rest are all quads.

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And that one ngon could easily be divided into two quads.

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Or even triangle+quad.

junior idol May 11, 2018, 10:31 AM

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wtf is a ngon

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Faces with 5+ vertices

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For animations quads work the best(4 vertices)

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Triangles are better than ngons in most cases, but still not as good as quads.

green terrace May 11, 2018, 10:54 AM

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triangles are the only stable faces so they're recommended as a baseline until you know what you're doing when moving to quads

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 11:26 AM

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Common workflows that take advantage of quad-dominant meshes. Triangles have limitations they do not. In most cases triangle heavy meshes are not ideal, but it all depends on how you model the character.

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https://i.stack.imgur.com/3Wbkm.jpg

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Triangles are not good for smoothness.

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Ngons subdivide smoothly and therefore deform better.

green terrace May 11, 2018, 11:32 AM

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I avoid triangles where I can

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because it disables edge loop detection

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which speeds up modeling workflow by the hundreds

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ah your image shows exactly that

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 11:36 AM

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In short: quads > tris&pentagons > everything else

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Tris are okay if:
They're on a non-deforming area of the model (like a gun barrel, etc)
They're evenly sized, because long thin tris can cause weird smoothing artifacts
The engine is automatically converting a n-gon to tris with the edge going the wrong way

Otherwise yeah, try to avoid them for reasons shown above.

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:45 AM

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regardless of if it shows in VRChat or not... unity will automatically triangulate the mesh cause it deforms better.
quads are just easier to work with

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triangle deform better, quads are easier to work with

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work with quads.... but dont avoid tri's

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:46 AM

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I think the reason is GPUs can't actually work with anything but triangles (last I heard anyway) so everything gets converted down to tris eventually.

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:47 AM

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its mostly to do with textures

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:47 AM

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probably because tris cannot be nonplanar. (seriously, try to imagine a nonplanar triangle. It'll blow your mind out. :D)

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

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the CPU is the bit of hardware that handles topology... the GPU just adds the textures, shaders and post processing

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

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I... what. The GPU absolutely handles geometry. How else can the model even be shown on screen?

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:50 AM

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the main reason why the poly limit on characters in the SDK is 19,999 poly is cause the world average of players means it wont screw over people frame rates in VR as much

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you say that... but Zbrush is CPU based and doesnt touch the GPU in any way other than for display output... and can handle millions of poly

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:51 AM

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That's completely untrue. GPUs are amazing at handling polygons. The framerate killer is people using too many skinned mesh renderers and too many materials which slows the CPU down.

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:51 AM

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again now

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:51 AM

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ZBrush does really weird shit to do its stuff.

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:51 AM

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materials and textures are VRam dependent... poly are CPU dependent

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the reason why Vram gets eaten in VRchat so much is cause so many people think its ok to have a character at 19.9k poly with 20+ materials

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A world of people in VR with correctly done characters wont have any lagg

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:53 AM

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The problem with having 20+ materials is that for each material the CPU has to switch from one to the other. That switch time is what contributes to fps drops.
20k polys is nothing to a vr capable GPU, even at the lower end.#

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Specifically, in unity 5.6, a well made avatar will have 1 skinned mesh and 1 material and a well made shader.

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And up until somewhere around 64k polys that will have minimal impact.

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:56 AM

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multiplayer games require lower poly because of the CPU strain.
and yes... few materials mean less GPU strain

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its better to have 1 material with 20 texture layers than 20 materials with 1 texture layer

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:58 AM

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https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/OptimizingGraphicsPerformance.html

The unity docs literally state that a PC GPU will only begin to struggle over several million vertices.

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:58 AM

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each material set has a shader call and thats more gpu intensive and VRam heavy

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VRchat needs LoD implimented

latent charm May 11, 2018, 11:59 AM

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In worlds LOD groups work as expected, and on avatars too but all LOD groups show at once in mirrors.

static sun May 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

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from my experience LoD only shows up with dynamic bones

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if LoD with avatars where implemented correctly, you should need to upload a high poly, mid and low poly for 1 character

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high poly being around 65k poly, mid being 20k poly and low being 5k

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means more detail and less performance issues

green terrace May 11, 2018, 12:05 PM

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@latent charm Yeah that's right but if you're working with it it's easier to have quads

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Doesn't VRChat make the animations before turning the end frames into tris?

cloud verge May 11, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Quads are a nice organized way to keep track of the topo when modeling and allow you to quickly add detail with edgeloops...they typically deform in animation a little better

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But I also come from an animation background so they were quite essential if you were putting smoothing on them for rendering

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So to this day I still avoid orphan tris and 5 poles whenever I can (though sometimes neccessary)

tepid mirage May 11, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Can we upload avatar with +20.000 Polygons ?

static sun May 11, 2018, 6:16 PM

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19999 poly

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 6:16 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/4646d8f1ff4aeb4a525ed4a151f639f3.png making the face too human makes the robot lose its charm =/

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https://i.gyazo.com/0857dfbb0834d6c884f84a8feb56a996.png when she finds out your fetish

tepid mirage May 11, 2018, 6:20 PM

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@static sun it's not possible to have more ?

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 6:20 PM

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It is, but it's technically hacking and a bannable offense.

tepid mirage May 11, 2018, 6:20 PM

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😐 fu

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Just learn to model.

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Over 20k isn't really needed.

static sun May 11, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Stick to under 19k poly

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TBH 15k poly is the industry standard for most games

tepid mirage May 11, 2018, 6:21 PM

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The quality is not WOW at 20k poly 😐

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Triple A games have under 20k models

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Batman from Arkham City and main character from Crysis 2 are two good examples

static sun May 11, 2018, 6:22 PM

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My character is at 19k poly ATM

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 6:28 PM

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It's not about the poly count, it's about how you use them.

harsh jacinth May 11, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Triple A games have modeler who know how to optimize for game sake, with millions of polys accumulating in game at one time, they have to optimize.
Also SDK modification is not against the rules and isn't bannable, that is misinformation.
This is posted in Announcements; and it's also stated in the EULA section 5.
https://i.imgur.com/X4QfgrY.jpg

Imgur

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I mean its cool if you have the aptitude to manually go and reduce your polys, props to you. But decimation just sucks because its the computer trying to calculate how to reduce the polys, and can look terrible as a result.

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Just optimize your materials and atlas your stuff.

modern mango May 11, 2018, 6:49 PM

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that is a little dated eh? 😄

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Also you seem to confuse reverse engineering the API (e.g. communicating with the servers) with modifying the SDK which is 2 completely different things.

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This text says absolutely nothing about tollerating SDK manipulation, if at all, it says the opposit.
The SDK is part of the app and thus manipulation is strictly forbidden

modern mango May 11, 2018, 7:14 PM

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The only thing that might be allowed according to that text is if you would write your own uploader that uses the API without using the original SDK and parts of its code.

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But even with that, when you use it to upload content that is limited and forbidden by the original SDK, it is malicious use and thus forbidden.

harsh jacinth May 11, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Understood, thank you for clarifying! 👍 😄

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 8:51 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/84eb19789e69ee71ef3d65d45cc9b2a8.png just some more progress on the botboy

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He now has five fingers!

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And finished the face too

static sun May 11, 2018, 8:51 PM

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awesome

spare fulcrum May 11, 2018, 8:51 PM

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The hands, chest, and feet still need a lot of work.

static sun May 11, 2018, 9:14 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401754187425382402/444607151730589707/unknown.png

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almost done Uving

static sun May 11, 2018, 11:08 PM

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whats everyone up to?

lament pond May 11, 2018, 11:15 PM

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Streaming

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 12:08 AM

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derping

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should probably make something

eternal crow May 12, 2018, 12:22 AM

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being tripped out by this freaking thing in 3ds max

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387443655687798786/444655174565363712/unknown.png it looks fully scaled right?

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while in reality

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387443655687798786/444655281071325184/unknown.png

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its flat on one axis

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 12:32 AM

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is it just splines? D:

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 1:09 AM

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I'm currently working on school assignments :<

eternal crow May 12, 2018, 1:12 AM

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no its not just splines, its the meshes, i just have to fix the z-axis' scale, the parts are all in seperated pieces

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it would be helpful if 3ds max would stop freezing all the damn time

eternal crow May 12, 2018, 1:37 AM

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http://prntscr.com/jgtkgw see

Lightshot

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Captured with Lightshot

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http://prntscr.com/jgtkmh

Lightshot

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Captured with Lightshot

static sun May 12, 2018, 1:38 AM

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That happens when the history builds up

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 2:10 AM

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like maya

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oof

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fuq, I forgot that I was going to 3d model maya-chan next.

eternal crow May 12, 2018, 3:04 AM

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hell i only have him in it right now and it just fucking crashed https://image.prntscr.com/image/reAlLVmwScu1pzaoIxCcig.png

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again

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 3:35 AM

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oof

eternal crow May 12, 2018, 4:45 AM

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yeah might also be cause i was messing with the uv's too

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i might as well just finish the character i got earlier first then move on to him

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 5:52 AM

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hey If I purposely made a model without hands,will unity complain me for not havig enough bones?

modern mango May 12, 2018, 5:53 AM

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if you want to humanoid rig it you should make fake bones

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else you'll get issues

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 5:53 AM

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fake bones as in?

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not puting anything there?

modern mango May 12, 2018, 5:53 AM

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make bones like there would be a hand

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weighted to nothing

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 5:53 AM

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owh

modern mango May 12, 2018, 5:54 AM

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so you can map them and the IK wont yell at you

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 5:54 AM

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will I still need to asign em?

modern mango May 12, 2018, 5:54 AM

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yes

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 5:54 AM

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owh

modern mango May 12, 2018, 5:54 AM

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unles you want to T Pose all the way 😉

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 5:55 AM

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haha, I just wana make a simple model and call it a day, Wanderer inspired... since I just visit worlds randomly

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thank you btw @modern mango

spare fulcrum May 12, 2018, 6:31 AM

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@alpine merlin When you're finished with your model just make like 3 double joint bones to the end of the hand and assign them thumb, index finger, little finger. Don't add weight or anything, just let them be there and assign them as the fingers in Unity. That way there will be no actual fingers, but everything will still work.

alpine merlin May 12, 2018, 6:33 AM

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alrighty thax

junior idol May 12, 2018, 10:16 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437955996048949250/444796841691971584/5dbcb25f694289859498ac9b0b72edc7.png

rustic loom May 12, 2018, 6:12 PM

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https://imgur.com/l8FZYg0

Imgur

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I have this issue with my model, there's some kind of outline on it that I can't get rid of and it carries over to Unity

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I've tried to recalculate normals but it did nothing.

spiral sigil May 12, 2018, 7:07 PM

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I need some help with the lipsink on a model

spare fulcrum May 12, 2018, 7:09 PM

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State your issue.

spiral sigil May 12, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Ok so I have a model of Niko from oneshot

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And it has a lip bone of sorts but I can't set it up so that it moves when I talk

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The model was ripped from Garry's Mod

spare fulcrum May 12, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Ah, I didn't want to touch jaw bones, because people say it keeps messing up. I use visemes instead.

spiral sigil May 12, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Ah

shy thorn May 12, 2018, 9:01 PM

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where can i find a hoodie to throw on my avatar

frigid elbow May 12, 2018, 9:09 PM

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I'm modeling the old Disney Parks Mickey Mouse costume. I believe everyone that doesn't use a mic should use a mascot costume avatar.
https://i.imgur.com/MOyZRAf.png

Imgur

static sun May 12, 2018, 9:46 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/444978387736592384/unknown.png

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just under 19.8k poly with extra details around the eyes, and staff <. <

lament pond May 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Dat uv map

spare fulcrum May 12, 2018, 9:56 PM

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That is hawt

static sun May 12, 2018, 10:06 PM

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thanks

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exploding it for Texture baking atm then i can start texturing on Monday

vocal ridge May 12, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Ok so I’m about to import a model into Vr chat but it says that I have to spend more time enjoying the app.
How long do I have to be in the app? Also which app? The VR Chat SDK app or VR Chat it’s self? I need help xd

static sun May 12, 2018, 10:41 PM

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i uploaded my first avatar after about 30 mins of playing VRchat

vocal ridge May 12, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Thanks

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Thanks!

hot flint May 12, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Very clean!

static sun May 12, 2018, 10:52 PM

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thanks @hot flint

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Are you planning to put the ratio to 1:1?

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:20 PM

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i've put it in to a 1:1 ratio... but when i put it in to Substance i will set it to be a 2:1 Ratio to reverse the stretching

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Ah.

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:22 PM

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the test i did worked well so

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:22 PM

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I'll definitely work with Maya for the next avatar

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Need to get ready for summer semester (3D modeling for games 1)

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:23 PM

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i'm trying to stick away from Blender

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:23 PM

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Stay with Maya:P

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:24 PM

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well blender is my safety net... and i used to use it for everything and im trying to move away for productivity reason

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:24 PM

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I see

lament pond May 12, 2018, 11:25 PM

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why all the blender hate

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:25 PM

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i dont hate blender

lament pond May 12, 2018, 11:25 PM

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https://gyazo.com/e7a810d85f1d87165e74deb26df9423c

Gyazo

modern mango May 12, 2018, 11:25 PM

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isn't blender usually very good for productivity once you know how to work with it and all the hotkeys?

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:25 PM

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but for work reasons i need to know this software

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:25 PM

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What I usually do to stick with a specific software is to use the same hotkeys from blender

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That's how I got used to 3ds max and maya

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Now I have to force myself to learn zbrush

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:26 PM

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blender needs little work arounds that use up time...

lament pond May 12, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Work arounds?

mental blaze May 12, 2018, 11:27 PM

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I hate zbrush orthographic view

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Shit, break is over. Will come back in 3 hours

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Booleans need extra work, its easy as hell to overdo Retopo, the UVing tools are sub par leading to a fair amount of texturing, the Sculpting brushes are kind of ugly to work with <.<
and a fair amount of the shortcuts are confusing

lament pond May 12, 2018, 11:29 PM

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I'm not much of a sculptor or retopo guy so I wouldn't know much about that

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:29 PM

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its not bad... its just a lot of extra work to get everything right

lament pond May 12, 2018, 11:29 PM

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I do remember seeing a really nice plugin for retopo in the past

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Plus you could always just snap to surface

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:29 PM

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even with my 8 year background in it can only go so far

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Maya has a specific tool for Retopo

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thats nearly as good as standalone tools like TopoGun or 3D coat

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i usually use 3D coat to retopo... but if its a small piece i use Maya to save time

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:50 PM

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I could never get used to the blender UI

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I should though

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mainly I use 3ds Max because I own a license of 2013

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:51 PM

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wait for 2.8... the GUI has been cleaned up a fair amount

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Oh hmmm, need to check it out

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Yeah, but CATS is only optimized for 2.79 at the moment

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The devs said they're excited for the 2.8 changes though.

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:51 PM

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yeah and will get an update when 2.8 gets released 😉

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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is CATS required for vrc work, or is it more of a "nice to have?"

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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hopefully it streamlines workflow a fair bit... but know Blender it will be 2.82 before its stable

spare fulcrum May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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"Nice to have"

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Gotcha

spare fulcrum May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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I only use it for visemes, nothing else.

modern mango May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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its not requred at all mainly for MMD's but also can make some things easier

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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CATS is good

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Even if you're not doing MMD work

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It automates so many things

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You can enter pose mode, pose the face, then turn that pose into a shape key, to name one thing.

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:53 PM

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I won't have time for awhile to mess with vrc stuff, but I'm trying to figure out if I can do 3DS > FBX > Unity easily

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:53 PM

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You can autogenerate all lipsync visemes with only 3 shape keys to start with

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:53 PM

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you should @cloud verge FBX is Autodesk based

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:53 PM

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oooh

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:53 PM

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Well, you could do everything in 3DS Max, but it's pretty hard to optimize stuff for VRC in there

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Still, it works fine

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But lipsync and eye tracking might be difficult

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:54 PM

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yeah, I want to reduce as many steps as possible

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have a few from scratch avatars I want to build, and a map or two to make

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:55 PM

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depends on your skill leve @zinc furnace
if you do everything yourself then its actually faster

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:55 PM

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I have a few game rips that I can only import in 3DS Max. Despite all that, I still prefer doing the last steps in Blender. Especially texture atlasing, mesh joining, and visemes.

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:55 PM

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when you say optimize, what do you mean specifically?

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oh hmm

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Well, CATS Blender Tool automates a lot of stuff in the exact way that VRC expects.

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For example, eye tracking.

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:55 PM

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gotcha

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Doesnt mean the results are decent <. <
automating processes kills a lot of quality

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:56 PM

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It creates the eye bones in the right places, and makes the correct shape keys for blinking and lower eyelid movement. To name one thing, VRC expects the blinking shape keys to be the first two, otherwise you get wonky stuff happening. CATS does that for you. It can also fix your bone hierarchy to match the hierarchy VRC wants.

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:56 PM

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though, I suppose I could create some scripts/utils for Max if none exist

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:56 PM

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@static sun not necessarily at all

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Yeah I like control over everything

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Eye tracking is just as good with CATS as it would be if you manually positioned the bones, or manually moved the shape keys into slots 1-4.

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Since I build stuff from scratch

zinc furnace May 12, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Sure, lipsync visemes are slightly lower quality if you don't hand-make all 12(?) of them.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Nobody really notices

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Like, I have a few MMD models that are a good start, but I will probably retopo them, adjust them to be my size, re-texture and re-rig them as well

static sun May 12, 2018, 11:58 PM

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i make about 30 morph correction drivers per limb so 12 for basic lip sync isnt much hassle

cloud verge May 12, 2018, 11:58 PM

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Yep, same here

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Perfectionist.png

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D:

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Mainly where I'll be asking questions is on the import into Unity since I have never created anything for it

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:00 AM

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Unity natively supports FBX, it's probably the easiest format to import

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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But we'll see...busy with work for a month, and I have new computer parts just waiting on a mobo that I need to get set up and all my stuff reinstalled on

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Including baked animations and embedded textures

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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oh neat

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Most Game engines use FBX

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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that's good

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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even 2D engines use FBX

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:01 AM

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On top of that, Unity also supports importing some stuff that Blender doesn't, I noticed. I have had constructs that I had to turn into editable meshes in 3DS before exporting to Blender

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Going from 3DS to Blender is... questionable, to be honest

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Blenders FBX is outdated by 4 years now

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:02 AM

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hehe

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Oh yeah, I noticed that I had some version errors too

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But then again, 3DS Max has some weird issues with FBX exports sometimes

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No other program has crashed more often than 3DS Max for me.

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I have had models that I physically couldn't FBX export without removing the bones first.

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:02 AM

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thats mostly due to Unity not being up to date with FBX updates

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Nah, I mean before even importing into Unity

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:03 AM

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hmm

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I'm really glad I bought max when I did...seems like newer iterations have many more bugs

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or maybe I just got lucky I dunno

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Yeah, newer versions are buggier. I'm sticking with 2015 and it seems to work just fine.

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2018 crashes a lot

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:04 AM

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the bugs in the new versions are due to new tools being added

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:05 AM

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I have friends that used Maya often, and they've told me that they have had nothing but problems since Autodesk acquired Alias

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:05 AM

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i use Maya LT cause its less buggy cause it has none of the bloat that comes with the full version

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:05 AM

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oh hmm neat

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I didn't realize there was a lite version

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:07 AM

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its 1/6th the cost and 100x less buggy

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really need my new computer T- T

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:21 AM

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Lmao, I still have a Maya installation from 2005 somewhere

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Came with the UT2004 ECE I think?

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:25 AM

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lol

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:27 AM

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I'm working off an i7 990x from like... 2010?

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loooong overdue haha

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gonna build a Ryzen 2700x machine

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:28 AM

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just figured out that the High Poly version of my Character is freezing Maya but is exporting still <. < so im just gonna watch some YT vids and wait for it to respond

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and im on a FX9590 <.<

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:28 AM

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ohgod

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:28 AM

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im moving for a i9 7920x early next month

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:28 AM

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let's hope it exports

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:29 AM

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it is exporting 😐

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:29 AM

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"don't touch it, maybe it will do something"

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:29 AM

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but its 34m poly XD

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:29 AM

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yeah that'll do it

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:29 AM

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yup

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34m down to 19.8k

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https://giphy.com/gifs/hehehe-hehehehe-9MFsKQ8A6HCN2

Giphy

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:31 AM

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I really want to build a threadripper machine or maybe a used dual xeon box later on

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:31 AM

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2.4gb obj file D:

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:32 AM

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mainly just for CPU rendering

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D:

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and then get off my arse and animate things

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:32 AM

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im getting the bulk of my hardware next month#

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but i will be getting Duel GPU's when the next gen Nvidia Ti cards come out

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:32 AM

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I have literally $2500 of parts sitting here waiting on a motherboard that was supposed to be released on the 8th 😐

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:32 AM

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and then liquid cool it all

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:33 AM

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niiice

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and yeah I can't wait for the next gen cards

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:33 AM

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reports on the specs are looking sexy af

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:34 AM

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indeed, I can't imagine how fast Quicksilver renders will be 😮

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:34 AM

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i use Marmoset so its all realtime

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but i will be able to do multiple passes faster and video renders

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:34 AM

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I can do AO passes faster than dual xeon CPU based AO passes....that will be insane

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yep

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I'd like to do some kind of short animation project but rendering has always been a constraint

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not anymore haha

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:36 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/445021398268903444/unknown.png

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exploded side by side of the high poly and low poly

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:37 AM

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looks good

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I love the mask with horns

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:37 AM

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really want that to come out well <.<

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:39 AM

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hmmm

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:39 AM

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tbh i want it all to come out well

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:39 AM

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maybe some texture on the horns, unless you're going for a smoother style like a cow horn?

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but yeah, looking really good so far

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I wish I had stuff to post that wasn't... well... I guess I'll just post it haha

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:40 AM

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this is for bakes... i will be texturing in substance after

cloud verge May 13, 2018, 12:40 AM

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unrelated (to VR Chat), but this was my latest endeavor

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw2cpbZchmw

YouTube

ZephyrStar

daydream | return

A little over ten years ago, I made an AMV called "daydream" which was the first video I ever uploaded to Youtube. This video was the very strange combinatio...

▶ Play video

lament pond May 13, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Most silent clap ever

static sun May 13, 2018, 12:43 AM

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https://www.artstation.com/artwork/voVmE

ArtStation

Max Fanart, Catie Beresford

This was a 6 weeks personal project to get my head in to the new year.
This is a Fan art of Max Caulfield from the Life is strange Franchise.

This is my first project working with haircards and using Maya, I genuinely had to relearn a fair amoun...

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my last project... didnt end up in VRchat cause the eyes looked creepy AF 😐

granite dew May 13, 2018, 12:50 AM

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How would I go about setting up a mouth for lip syncing on a model where the lips are meshed together?

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When I set up weight painting and a vertex group, I can get the jaw to move down but between the lips just turns into a stretched mesh with an ugly texture

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Do I need to find the vertices between the lips and essentially slice them so the top and bottom lip aren't sewn together?

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Yes

brave dune May 13, 2018, 1:05 AM

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the inside of the mouth could be anything you want as well. A simple black void or you can try modeling the inside

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:07 AM

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arg this is hard af

brave dune May 13, 2018, 1:08 AM

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its not too bad once you get used to it

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:11 AM

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its such a damn tight space to work in XD

static sun May 13, 2018, 1:12 AM

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@granite dew Character artists have years of training and background to produce a lot of their work... its not easy XD even for trained people it can still be hard

brave dune May 13, 2018, 1:12 AM

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hiding part of the mesh is handy as well

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https://i.imgur.com/F9eIIaV.png
when i did the mouth for this, i just cut a slit into the afro extruded the cut to make a minor inner lip, and then went from there. Hid most of the fro to get it out of the way. This image is the AH viseme 😛

Imgur

static sun May 13, 2018, 1:15 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/445031058732482597/unknown.png

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im happy with my bake results ^- ^

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im scaring myself a little cause it worked flawlessly first time

brave dune May 13, 2018, 1:16 AM

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i look forward to seeing the final result

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:16 AM

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is there a way to stop blender from culling faces when zoomed in "too close"?

brave dune May 13, 2018, 1:16 AM

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yes

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:16 AM

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is it in preferences?

brave dune May 13, 2018, 1:16 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/dff020Z.png

Imgur

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hit N in the viewport

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it will bring up this menu

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:17 AM

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You are the man

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❤

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set it to zero and it works now thanks

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like this task isn't hard it's just tedious because it's such a tight area and so many verts/faces

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i know exactly what i need to do but it's gonna take some time...heh

lament pond May 13, 2018, 1:41 AM

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If you have your mesh mirrored you can just turn off your mirror modifier while you work in there

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:42 AM

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If I want to weightpaint only a specific vertex group how can I ensure I'm selecting only that group when weight painting?

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select the respected bone?

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er. cause that doesn't seem to work

lament pond May 13, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Do you have the vertex group in the mesh

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Because if you select one it should only be painting to that one

granite dew May 13, 2018, 1:56 AM

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i was doing something wrong in the order of switching from the vertex group to clicking on pose mode

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i don't know quite what but I think I fixed it.

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i am learning blender is very specific in order of operations

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just need to learn how it works properly. I've only done basic editing and stuff with already created models, first time really trying to do anything like adding a mouth so its just all new for me

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uhhhh does using the gradient tool in weight painting ruin a vertex group?

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certainly seems to...

granite dew May 13, 2018, 2:25 AM

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And now Unity is saying "failed to initialize unity graphics" wtf

quasi flame May 13, 2018, 8:58 AM

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robutt, poly's where it counts
https://i.imgur.com/gRKlXh0.png

Imgur

spare fulcrum May 13, 2018, 12:18 PM

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A man of culture.

nova acorn May 13, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Can avatar animations have appearing and disappearing polys?

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Oh man, now that I think about it, it's going to be hell to texture isn't it?

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 1:45 PM

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Well, you could probably do that with shaders

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You can switch materials in animations, or switch to a different body mesh

slate axle May 13, 2018, 2:57 PM

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I have a question, When I put my model into unity everything is find but my models eyes are like this grey/puprlish blobs covering my models eye's and my models eyes are behind this blob. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm very confused over this

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Set the material of the eye to cutout

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Then maybe change the cutout slider

slate axle May 13, 2018, 4:04 PM

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How would I set the material of the eye to cutout? Sorry kinda a noob at models and unity.

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Go to your model's materials in unity and change the rendering mode to cutout

slate axle May 13, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Okay, i'll go do that now. I did find out it's and expression that's blocking my eye's is there a way to just delete it?

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 4:19 PM

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If it looks fine in Blender but looks bad in Unity, it's almost certainly just a transparency issue. Just set the material of the expression to Cutout, and move the slider until it disappears.

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You can also select this expression in Blender, press P to separate it into its own mesh, then delete it.

slate axle May 13, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Okay thank you. Mind if I send a picture to show what it looks like?

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Sure

slate axle May 13, 2018, 4:22 PM

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https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/32395186_2092999620729489_8179686789129175040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHhXJeNUKL4B2f13i8yfOzXeVyH7DNcwbZyOH49PZEmxWX3uA530brWyu3Dgxri3x_pHRzT8TTHhgEX24brjSHKTyJa421THh6DnNmO-1nE1A&oh=013d5cb37b78e6d9fc4f9a654569daa9&oe=5B866A5C

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https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/32453842_2092999947396123_6788277853793288192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeGfbht93PUXDFjJXVrVff4EhOXbI2ef0TgDDl2_J0_Vxe59hpohiOeLIOusGnqvSIG8gh9hndWrs4IYReKy4fE68sVAKsJMYczqmQwz35bBpQ&oh=b57db7737524c449dc037082f3474d07&oe=5B7F15B1

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Oof, that looks rather creepy

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Wait

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First of all, please join your meshes in Blender

spiral sigil May 13, 2018, 4:24 PM

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that's the expression meshes

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just need to put to cut out or fade

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and play with the alpha cutoff

zinc furnace May 13, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Actually, you can probably delete that mesh or fiddle with the material's cutout.

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Either way, join your meshes please.

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You're gonna cause lag

spiral sigil May 13, 2018, 4:24 PM

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and unnecessary fuckery with your model

slate axle May 13, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Thank you for helping me with what I messed up on. and I'll go back into blender to join my meshes as well. and then try to fix the eye issue

slate axle May 13, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Thank you "ROKK & Svelsien " For the help I finally fixed my model and i joined the mesh together

hot flint May 13, 2018, 8:04 PM

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@quasi flame looking really good!

slate axle May 13, 2018, 10:23 PM

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I have a question, so I click build and import to VRChat but it's telling me i have to spend more time enjoying the app and they will email me. So I just have to spend more time in the game for an email??

modern mango May 13, 2018, 11:11 PM

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no it tells you that you need to do it because its funny...

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If that was a real question.... Yes 😉

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word around is 24h+ (playtime) but it can be more. Time is not the only factor so you shouldn't just idle around

static sun May 13, 2018, 11:32 PM

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VRchat is about socializing... go nuts

hallow shore May 13, 2018, 11:52 PM

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i love how people just move there heads to talk when they dont got a mic or vr

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is text chat ever gonna become a thing in the future?

modern mango May 13, 2018, 11:53 PM

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text chat very likely no
but a mail like messageing system propably?

spare fulcrum May 13, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Text to speech mayhaps.

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Some already have that.

modern mango May 13, 2018, 11:54 PM

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pls no

spare fulcrum May 13, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Microsoft Sam era was early 2000s. There are text to speech programs that sound very good now.

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Hell, vocaloid songs are technically text to speech.

modern mango May 13, 2018, 11:55 PM

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eh. its not exactly that easy

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vocaloid is more then just typing what you want and pitching it

spare fulcrum May 13, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Hence the "technically" :p

modern mango May 13, 2018, 11:55 PM

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no it also isnt

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unless you pitch and speed up the text and deal with pronunciations 😉

hallow shore May 13, 2018, 11:56 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wcyZORjYc

YouTube

Senoishi

Miku Delivers the (Vine)Sauce

First time using Vocaloid and it's great! Looking forward to use it again. Idea for this video from Vinny's "Yo! Noid 2" stream: https://www.youtube.com/watc...

▶ Play video

spare fulcrum May 13, 2018, 11:56 PM

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It's a japanese text to speech mainly.

hallow shore May 13, 2018, 11:56 PM

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sorry it reminded me of this

spare fulcrum May 13, 2018, 11:56 PM

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But with fiddling can be made to simulate Engrish

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There are some English vocaloids too

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Cyber Diva, Ruby, Dex/Daina, and Cyber Songman are all English.

hallow shore May 13, 2018, 11:59 PM

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https://www.naturalreaders.com/online/ another good text to speech if you dont got the moneyz

text to speech online

spiral sigil May 14, 2018, 1:31 AM

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does anybody have the TDA len base. The links are dead now

spare fulcrum May 14, 2018, 2:18 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/48060351817146d28b01f1afcadbf20f.png sexy robot finger segment

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Inner cylinder connected to the root part, and the two outer cylinders to the extension part.

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https://i.gyazo.com/3bf96f2e359ec681e988378a996a9ad7.png

rare crystal May 14, 2018, 5:09 AM

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@static sun That's super awesome! I also use Maya but I'm still learning in it.

hollow tide May 14, 2018, 9:10 AM

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anyone that accepts commisions?

modern mango May 14, 2018, 9:29 AM

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you'll have best luck in the vrc-traders discord found under #community-servers-old

hasty crane May 14, 2018, 1:48 PM

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hey guys, how does one fix your hips being thrust forward?

mossy quail May 14, 2018, 1:49 PM

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if i remember correctly, people were either saying making spine longer or shortening the spine

hasty crane May 14, 2018, 1:58 PM

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hmmm I'll try playing around with that then

stable edge May 14, 2018, 2:17 PM

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iirc its hips shortening

hasty crane May 14, 2018, 2:23 PM

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I'll guess I'll try both xD

hasty crane May 14, 2018, 3:26 PM

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both didn't work T.T

static sun May 14, 2018, 3:50 PM

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E3 is almost here... what games are people expecting?

mossy quail May 14, 2018, 4:13 PM

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@static sun hopefully Pokemon Switch but ive lowered my expectations quite a bit over the last few months

vivid crater May 14, 2018, 4:38 PM

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I'm not sure what to expect

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But I'd like to, one day, see another Jumping Flash

static sun May 14, 2018, 4:40 PM

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i didnt see a PC or VR conference on the list... but id love to see VRchat

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<. <

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saying that, The last of us 2, Final Fantacy 7 remake and maybe a new life is strange

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/445626235071234058/unknown.png

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Progress of the textures for my character project

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Material ID - Ambient Occlusion - Normal map (BC5 Compression (no Blue Channel))

mossy quail May 14, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Ok, imma be honest

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The face scares me

vivid crater May 14, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Faces are always scary

static sun May 14, 2018, 4:48 PM

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if they dont look creepy in UV then you UV'ed wrong

mossy quail May 14, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Tru

vivid crater May 14, 2018, 4:49 PM

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tanabae that makes sense, I mean, you're literally peeling a face off

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Truly terrifying work you do

mental blaze May 14, 2018, 5:04 PM

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I've seen some disgusting images when I disassembled unity games

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i.e. mouse's mouth

spiral sigil May 14, 2018, 5:52 PM

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tA3yfbWw_JBArnVOCv0G0B3LN0dDCLZC

Google Docs

untitled.14.jpg

spare fulcrum May 14, 2018, 5:54 PM

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10/10 would show da wae again

spiral sigil May 14, 2018, 6:54 PM

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@spare fulcrum My brotha

cloud verge May 14, 2018, 7:03 PM

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get swole my brudas?

spare fulcrum May 14, 2018, 7:04 PM

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do u kno de gain

lament pond May 14, 2018, 10:13 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245923434738089984/445709750404120607/unknown.png

lament pond May 14, 2018, 11:06 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245923434738089984/445723316481949706/unknown.png

humble pecan May 14, 2018, 11:17 PM

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In blender how do I combine bones, like if I wanted to put weapons on a models back?

foggy maple May 14, 2018, 11:23 PM

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@humble pecan There is a new feature in cats to do exactly that, try it out

lament pond May 14, 2018, 11:28 PM

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If you're just trying to combine armatures use ctrl j to join @humble pecan

humble pecan May 14, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Shouldn't I position them first?

lament pond May 15, 2018, 12:16 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245923434738089984/445741111265460224/unknown.png

zinc furnace May 15, 2018, 12:47 AM

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In Blender, is there a way to use the knife tool on the UV map/texture instead? I've got a phone model and I want to put something on the screen, but the screen is just part of the same front side of the phone. The screen doesn't have its own verts. I can use the knife tool on the model, but I would rather mark the new polys onto the actual texture, for more accuracy.

eternal crow May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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does anyone know why when i try to scale my uv's they turn into this box thing and even when i have the snap to grid and stuff disbaled it behaves like it is enabled? https://image.prntscr.com/image/fWY8gvEISTGzDo9_JW66mA.png

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 1:40 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385085826528444428/445762301295853568/Screenshot_89.png So this happened and I'm not sure why

zinc furnace May 15, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Can you be a little more specific?

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Well last time I remember Models are not meant to look like that.

eternal crow May 15, 2018, 2:02 AM

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idk whats going on anymore

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it seems this thing is just fucked

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because now his ears and stuff wont texture http://prntscr.com/jhy9j7

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

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but the rest does

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Think something went wrong or I forgot to do something in blender.

twilit tree May 15, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Omega, looks like you haven't assigned your textures to the materials

lament pond May 15, 2018, 3:24 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431134663667351564/445779974947995658/unknown.png

spiral sigil May 15, 2018, 3:43 AM

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The blood's on the wrong side i think

brave dune May 15, 2018, 3:43 AM

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@zinc furnace For your screen, if you dont want to cut the mesh itself, you could use a texture mask. And depending on how you want to go about doing it, use a second uv for positioning

proper niche May 15, 2018, 4:25 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/dcaedc152df132f37e9ae54cab8108d7.png thanos head v2

spare fulcrum May 15, 2018, 5:22 AM

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@spiral sigil Only novice swordmen use the sharp side.

winter wigeon May 15, 2018, 6:41 AM

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how hard would it be to make a dabi character from my her academia?

spare fulcrum May 15, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Looks fairly detailed.

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If you have 0 modeling experience then many dozens of hours

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 12:10 PM

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It's still happening and I have no idea how to fix it.

mossy quail May 15, 2018, 12:12 PM

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@humble pecan isnt it fine? o.o

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it just has no textures on its materials

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 12:13 PM

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No.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385085826528444428/445762301295853568/Screenshot_89.png Said problem I mentioned before. Some of the model seems to be non-existent at every angle and I have no idea how to fix it because I don't know what's happening.

mossy quail May 15, 2018, 12:15 PM

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you mean like see-through?

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@humble pecan do you plan on using cubeds shaders?

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Cubeds shaders fixes nothing.

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They look fine in blender. It's just in unity.

mossy quail May 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

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it does

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apply cubed shaders

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apply an outline

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set it to 0

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and if that doesnt work, you may need to get a double sided shader with backface culling

humble pecan May 15, 2018, 12:42 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391590472898052096/445928512772374529/Screenshot_93.png Glow is on front but not back? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391590472898052096/445928554958684160/Screenshot_94.png

mossy quail May 15, 2018, 12:44 PM

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try and apply the standard shader for the glow material

zinc furnace May 15, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Maybe set the zero-width outlines on the glow too

lament pond May 15, 2018, 7:12 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/446026818173009931/unknown.png

vivid crater May 15, 2018, 7:33 PM

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insert every smug emote here

dense kelp May 15, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Lemme see if i can find smug wolfy

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This'll do for now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272468027579170818/419560379543191552/20180303192244_1.jpg

spare fulcrum May 15, 2018, 8:31 PM

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@humble pecan Recalculate the normals in Blender.

spiral sigil May 15, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Is that under the spacebar menu

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@spare fulcrum

spare fulcrum May 15, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Select all -> Ctrl+N @spiral sigil

spiral sigil May 15, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Ah

spare fulcrum May 15, 2018, 11:41 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/105267748a565df40a276582052573a7.png tfw 250k polys on a face

modern mango May 15, 2018, 11:41 PM

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could be worse

static sun May 15, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Yeah... could be 6.4m poly like my characters heads tend to be <.<

spare fulcrum May 16, 2018, 12:29 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/1bca71270a3bfb97122fdee733e9010d.png any ideas how to easily un-nightmare this horrible creation?

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Ohwow, decimate tool is way better than the modifier

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Down to 4k ez

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https://i.gyazo.com/e06d19be7fcc6fd8916fabb2eb7f7b42.png gewd nuff

zinc furnace May 16, 2018, 12:35 AM

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The decimate tool? That's new. How does that work, where would you find it?

spare fulcrum May 16, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Select all, mesh -> clean up -> Decimate Geometry

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Then change the ratio lower

spare radish May 16, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Do you want to animate it?

spare fulcrum May 16, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Not really planning to, other than lip sync eventually.

spare radish May 16, 2018, 12:37 AM

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Then maybe getting the proper edge flow around the lips would help with that.

spare fulcrum May 16, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Nowait, it's 2k. For some reason there was double layer of face

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..and if I remove the unnecessary flat back it's actually 1449...

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How many polys do you guys usually keep in a realistic face?

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Feel like I over-did it with decimation

zinc furnace May 16, 2018, 12:47 AM

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1.4k for a realistic face sounds low, but it's still within the realm of possibility

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It's 1/15th of the poly limit for just the face, after all

spare fulcrum May 16, 2018, 12:50 AM

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The face is the most important part of a character I find.

zinc furnace May 16, 2018, 12:51 AM

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True

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So yeah, you could probably decimate it a little less where it counts

spare fulcrum May 16, 2018, 12:58 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/dd92a71a8fde4f6b2ba19441d32d32f4.png 9.7k does give a lot more detailed face

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Less "generic 3D model from the 2000s"

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Alright, putting that aside for my next project.

deft fog May 16, 2018, 7:52 AM

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https://gyazo.com/18c28aff0c675a2e044d6049078fd9cd

Gyazo

▶ Play video

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What would be causing such a strange issue? this has never happened before and all I did was open a file that never did this before

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Seems to only do it when I fix the model in CATS

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I will report it, there

chrome arrow May 16, 2018, 8:11 AM

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I sometimes get that issue with certain models i have, so i try to do most of it manually, if its only occuring when you're "fixing" the model then i'd advise going the slow route

deft fog May 16, 2018, 8:50 AM

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I had found a fix

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Now, whats going on with my shit now is THIS

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https://gyazo.com/a9302707d363c29267c8d5b5b99b2379

Gyazo

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Blender you pile of shit

gusty wyvern May 16, 2018, 9:58 AM

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Im having this issue whenever i try to upload this. does anyone know this problem by any chance ;~; https://gyazo.com/a326d55e713d7eac7ca9c043261e9bd6

Gyazo

static sun May 16, 2018, 10:04 AM

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@spare fulcrum manual retopo is a better method

zinc furnace May 16, 2018, 1:22 PM

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@gusty wyvern look in your console

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Do you have any 429 errors?

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You might be uploading too much

static sun May 16, 2018, 4:03 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/446340703593824256/unknown.png

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texturing progress (exploded the mesh to make things easier)

gusty wyvern May 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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@zinc furnace thats the only error i get in console https://gyazo.com/2728db2d950f3ed4e77effe9a1147876 :c tried searching it but with no luck on a fix

Gyazo

zinc furnace May 16, 2018, 4:55 PM

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This means you don't have upload rights yet

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Play more and update your SDK while you're at it

gentle forum May 16, 2018, 5:30 PM

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what makes it so the UV's on a model are out of the box

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but being able to still select them and move them around, they're just not in the correct spot visually

static sun May 16, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Tiling and Udims

zinc furnace May 16, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Yeah, that's a good question. I've had models where they were exactly one box length out of the box, so to speak

static sun May 16, 2018, 5:35 PM

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my current project is 2x1 but sits in a single UV space

severe hill May 16, 2018, 9:11 PM

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i recommend you guys "Substance Painter" if you want to paint your own model 😃
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443440215814701066/446414295660625920/RoboFinal.jpg

static sun May 16, 2018, 9:17 PM

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@severe hill Substance for PBR or 3D coat for a more hand painted feel 😉

severe hill May 16, 2018, 9:17 PM

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sure :3

static sun May 16, 2018, 9:20 PM

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the price of 3D coat is nothing to shrug about tbh ^- ^"

gentle forum May 16, 2018, 9:23 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/JMJzMZa.png

Imgur

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Why is it doing thaaat

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It's normal on the model too

gusty wyvern May 16, 2018, 9:24 PM

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@zinc furnace Thank you for the info ❤ I had a friend tell me that they did a update were you have to play for 24hrs or something like that but wasnt sure if that was true. the model uploads fine under my account but not the persons acc im trying to upload it under. I guess that update holds true o3o

regal belfry May 17, 2018, 12:27 AM

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http://prntscr.com/jiskey ;-; my work vanished because of my crappy computer and it was my first time to

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

hollow radish May 17, 2018, 6:25 AM

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https://gyazo.com/4e5e52d7974b196dbf25c78dfd22407f
this is going to be hard to cut down polies

Gyazo

jolly linden May 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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anyone around? I have a question with blender

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can't exactly find an asnwer with google

lament pond May 17, 2018, 6:46 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/446563717245829131/unknown.png

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@jolly linden what is your question

jolly linden May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM

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I'm trying to import a model thats model is a IQE type

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into blender in specific

lament pond May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM

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What on earth is an IQE

jolly linden May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Inter-Quake?

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I mean

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I found a script for python I guess

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but Idk how to apply or put it into blender so i can move the model over @lament pond

lament pond May 17, 2018, 7:01 AM

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You just need to import the addon

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Or put the python script directly into your addons folder

jolly linden May 17, 2018, 7:02 AM

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uh, do I need python to do that

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I just have a the script in text form

lament pond May 17, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Just save it as a .py file

jolly linden May 17, 2018, 7:12 AM

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does notepad work with that?

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@lament pond sorry to keep asking u

lament pond May 17, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Yeah just save as

jolly linden May 17, 2018, 7:28 AM

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ok now i'm having trouble finding where to go in blender to make it grab the IQE file

spiral sigil May 17, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Hello

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Any1 here

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Is there an easy way to chop off excess vertices from doing a hair swap

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?

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The hair that gets inside the head

mental scroll May 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Posted in the wrong area, so I'm going to copy-pasta it here.

I've been working on a model for quite a while now and, blender being blender, one random part of a mesh decided to randomly delete itself when I wasn't aware.
I've tried to restore it via saves and etcetera, but the progress lost versus the process re-gained doesn't balance out.
Is there a way to just import the same model back in and just fill in the hole, deleting the useless excess? I've tried creating and manually filling in the faces, but the textures don't fill in properly and looks incredibly off.

https://puu.sh/Ao0F8/a42e8a5409.png
Or rather what I should ask; How can I re-assign this area to the correct texture?
https://puu.sh/Ao132/3ef46b6e07.png
https://puu.sh/Ao149/7ecda42790.png

high jetty May 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I guess you could import a second version, delete everything else then join and merge the meshes. Or you could fill it back in and reassign the new mesh on the UV map

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If it’s just a flat color it’d be much faster just to reassign the texture on the UV map I think

static sun May 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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or... hit "U" and place the UV's by hand <. <

static sun May 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/446773998035009536/unknown.png

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render test

static sun May 17, 2018, 9:49 PM

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i have a lot to finish still T- T

hallow shore May 18, 2018, 12:25 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/1MGyC5D

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mario model 2

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now to uv, fun time

spare radish May 18, 2018, 4:05 AM

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Would anyone have tips on modelling curly polygonal hair? Would doing it that way be the best option?

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Using Blender 2.79, by the way.

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Also would be interested in adding eyelashes. I think I can handle the modelling and texturing, but how would you make sure the eyelashes would stay attached to the eyelids?

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Modelling long ones attached to the mesh wouldn’t be an option since the male character I’m making doesn’t have very visible lashes.

static sun May 18, 2018, 5:06 AM

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@spare radish use smooth grab, play with the curve and fine tune the drop off

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Also think leaves

lament pond May 18, 2018, 5:17 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/446904106544791552/unknown.png

hallow shore May 18, 2018, 5:33 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/Sechv0y ignore the lazely done UV's

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stable edge May 18, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Hands look a lil bumpy

static sun May 18, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Set the surface to soft T- T

hallow shore May 18, 2018, 7:59 AM

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i like my hard edges

stable edge May 18, 2018, 8:10 AM

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*hands verts seem too high to look natural

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Only need to move the top ones

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But it looks like the hands just really weird on one side

hallow shore May 18, 2018, 8:11 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/oXjq5lv how's this?

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mario 4

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again i know the uv's are lazily put together

stable edge May 18, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Better, but you should look at Mario's hands more

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I usually do more animeish stuff so I don't real use Mario as a ref

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Just compare your hands and Mario's to 3dmarios

hallow shore May 18, 2018, 8:14 AM

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yeah i probably have more polys in his hands then i should

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thanks for the feedback

stable edge May 18, 2018, 8:15 AM

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All g 👍

lament pond May 18, 2018, 10:50 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/446987542966042624/unknown.png

lament pond May 18, 2018, 11:22 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/446995854063173632/unknown.png

daring fog May 18, 2018, 12:19 PM

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https://twitter.com/artsyomni/status/976601700218916864

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hot flint May 18, 2018, 1:43 PM

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@static sun Looking really nice Catie!

static sun May 18, 2018, 2:20 PM

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Hand Topology is fairly simple to get Low poly.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/447040725981593600/unknown.png

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you get to a point with Retopo where you can just do it 😐
its sort of clicks randomly over night and sticks

brisk pasture May 18, 2018, 8:44 PM

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can someone help me with something?

tepid mirage May 18, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Can anyone explain me this problem ? (I have the texture in the folder i check it many time) but still doesn't work ! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443920387164733440/446756271308275732/unknown.png

Come DM 😢

lament pond May 18, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Make sure the textures are set up correctly in the materials

zinc furnace May 18, 2018, 11:40 PM

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@tepid mirage extract the file again with japanese encoding too

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Or do "find missing files" in Blender

tepid mirage May 18, 2018, 11:44 PM

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@lament pond i dont know how do this im looking for tutorielnfor make avatar im totally noob in blender.... @zinc furnace i try to find missing and still doenst work ... Ill try later to extract and i come back here for say if its work or no...

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Thanks for subjections

grizzled anvil May 19, 2018, 12:49 AM

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pivot point is now any game object in armature despite what is being rotated, any ideas?

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390994852797743134/447198817645756427/pivot_point.JPG

eternal crow May 19, 2018, 3:19 AM

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@spare radish i have a model who's hair has giant curls, would it possibly help you reference wise?

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http://prntscr.com/jjsj62

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spiral sigil May 19, 2018, 3:23 AM

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@WaveMeow#9414

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Your weight painting is broken

spare radish May 19, 2018, 5:13 AM

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@eternal crow Thanks, but I’m not sure the method would be applicable to the one I’m working on.

eternal crow May 19, 2018, 5:13 AM

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is it like the hairs all curly on yours?

spare radish May 19, 2018, 5:15 AM

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I’ve also kind of solved the problem by giving the character an elevated ridge on their forehead with which I’m hoping to add a curly hair texture on. My character has short curly hair and is done in a semi realistic art style.

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I’m still considering polygonal hair with more detail though.

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I’m wondering if I should take the approach of modelling a cylinder and then giving him curls that way, but I’d like more detail.

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At the same time, I run the risk of making the UV unwrapping a complete and total nightmare for myself.

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So to recap I can imagine 3 viable options at the moment:

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Low detail, very low poly, easy to unwrap

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Medium detail, low poly, harder to unwrap

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High detail, medium-low poly, extremely hard to manually unwrap (possibly resort to Smart Unwrap)

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Maybe also hair cards?

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Although I’m not sure how many it’d take.

grizzled anvil May 19, 2018, 6:16 AM

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@spiral sigil it's with all models, even ones I've uploaded with massive amount of weapons and everything that works, till now

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Can drop down a 100% base ooka Miko with any fbx as game object to test. Same result

proper niche May 19, 2018, 6:50 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/d07fe2053ac09a7ce455b7ce7022f85e.png finally got my model to work properly

grizzled anvil May 19, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Also tried creating game object > 3d cube under wrist to test and that also makes my elbow and arm rotate AROUND the gun. So it's not gun files or models

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Tested it with a few by now

cursive wedge May 19, 2018, 8:40 AM

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Origin point wrong?

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On armature

deft fog May 19, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Any time I do anything like merging or joining materials or bones, the armature or the materials will flip on both its Z and Y axis

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How can I fix this? I need to apply the eyes to the armature and now everything flips when attempted.

deft fog May 19, 2018, 12:11 PM

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WELP

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I fixed it.

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Only to discover this

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https://gyazo.com/01e7f2f846aca7d93620baecd5ec01a2

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ebon bolt May 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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@tepid mirage your issue is the shader is unassigned or corrupted, try adding the shader again or troubleshoot with standard shader. Might need to re-import cubeds shader if you use it as old versions can do that

zinc furnace May 19, 2018, 4:04 PM

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In Blender, how do I scale UV maps with a different origin point?

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The "origin" of the scale is in the center of my selection right now. How do I change this to the bottom left?

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The 2D cursor is already in the bottom left. Setting the orientation doesn't seem to do anything.

static sun May 19, 2018, 4:06 PM

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s

zinc furnace May 19, 2018, 4:09 PM

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That didn't seem to help. I already got it though, I missed a button at the bottom of the UV editor window

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Just had to change the scale origin to the 2D cursor

brave dune May 19, 2018, 5:14 PM

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@zinc furnace place the 2d cursor at the corner and change the pivot point mode

eternal crow May 19, 2018, 5:38 PM

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@humble fern http://prntscr.com/jjz6ci whaddya think?

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i removed the white parts of the eyes

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http://prntscr.com/jjz6mu

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thin bone May 19, 2018, 10:16 PM

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anyone know how to fix the thing where in eye tracking, only one eye will blink ?
ive tried literally like alot of tutorials butim just horrible at this

static sun May 19, 2018, 10:38 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402634073907920897/447526640961060864/unknown.png

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still need to finish the makeup and probably tone down the clothes a bit <. <

mental blaze May 19, 2018, 10:38 PM

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looks great

static sun May 19, 2018, 10:55 PM

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thnkx

spare radish May 19, 2018, 11:04 PM

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https://imgur.com/wAsVCob

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https://imgur.com/BBVBrFL

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https://imgur.com/F8xvk8s

Imgur

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Some progress shots of my avatar.

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Around 8,000 tris isn't too bad.

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Something about the face though brings back Snake Eater/MGS2 vibes.

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By the way, I'm likely going to avoid the subdivision modifier because using it brings the model over 20,000 tris.

static sun May 19, 2018, 11:16 PM

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bake over the details @spare radish
my character (the model above) is 19.8k poly and that includes a fair few accessories

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but the details are mostly due to Baked normal maps and Ambient occlusion

spare radish May 19, 2018, 11:18 PM

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^Good idea, I made a very basic but flawed mesh which I used as reference for the character. I used the mesh only to retopologize the body and feet.

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I'll likely create a secondary mesh which will be a copy of the first and use Multires or Dynamesh to add further details.

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Also looking for a texturing tip.

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For the main body, would you use one UV Map or two segmented maps? I'm thinking of using one for the hands and feet and one for the rest of the underlying body.

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Also, would you work with a 2048x2048 resolution or 4096x4096

static sun May 19, 2018, 11:22 PM

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depends on how well you UV
i use a 2048x4096 texture resolution

deft fog May 19, 2018, 11:23 PM

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Okay, question. I have a model that looks like this.
https://gyazo.com/f3d97cae98aed421848724abab411cad

Yet the eyes do this when brought into Unity.
https://gyazo.com/43ceb576badf7a815937660b2d955c22

Gyazo

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It has UV Mapping, but Unity wont read the second UVMap

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What would cause Unity to not read a UV?

static sun May 19, 2018, 11:24 PM

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unity will read it as a second material

deft fog May 19, 2018, 11:25 PM

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Oof.

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How would one fix this

spare radish May 19, 2018, 11:26 PM

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@static sun Would there be a way to gauge exactly what resolution would be a fit for my needs?

static sun May 19, 2018, 11:26 PM

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checker material helps

spare radish May 19, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Also maybe how well I can UV unwrap an object?

static sun May 19, 2018, 11:27 PM

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good UVing took me a solid year of practice.

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the Checker material helps a tone

deft fog May 19, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Someone wouldnt happen to have a new UV combiner addon, would they

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The one I found is old and the download link is down

lament pond May 20, 2018, 12:05 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/447549920694501386/unknown.png

deft fog May 20, 2018, 1:34 AM

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https://gyazo.com/276ee005a693bbab54c6f9116ad19031

Gyazo

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Anyone knows what causes models to import to unity all bent up?

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Weight painting is fine on Blender's end

crimson cove May 20, 2018, 2:17 AM

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check bone roll

deft fog May 20, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Bone roll was manually set to 0 for all of these, still happens

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https://gyazo.com/c6384e3bc8a2efe128732302978a6282

Gyazo

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Could it have something to do with these in my timeline thing?

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I have no clue how to remove these, as its not an option for whatever reason

lament pond May 20, 2018, 4:32 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/447614243680944138/unknown.png

stable edge May 20, 2018, 6:40 AM

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brandon thats for animation

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make sure you dont have any arm bone modifiers set as arm bone

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notably it might be having the rolls at 0 thats the issue

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i rigged something myself and iirc the rolls werent 0 at the start

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so i zerod them out for unity

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and got results youd expect with having the wrong rolls

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best to find the model before any of cats interference

lament pond May 20, 2018, 7:49 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/279897177122275328/447666926903099392/unknown.png

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Donzo

hollow radish May 20, 2018, 10:40 AM

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@lament pond have any tips for long hair uving or just in general hair stuff?

lament pond May 20, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Usually for long hair I start by projecting the back part of it

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Of course it depends on the style you go for

hollow radish May 20, 2018, 10:42 AM

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do you only do one face then double side it with some shader?

deft fog May 20, 2018, 11:08 AM

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Wew

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After a ton of work

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I can only access the armature by clicking it in the overview menu. When it loads in, it loads in under edit mode. If I leave edit mode or do anything else with it, the armature stops being selectable

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So... what did I break this time

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Okay then, guess I fixed it by using CAT's eye test and then stopping it.

deft fog May 20, 2018, 12:16 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428371188402880522/447733258445127680/d0e87e3bee882ad3a257177793dbe5f2-png1.jpg

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428371188402880522/447733419921637376/eca67b9a1be8c2e767a292c7be14360c-png1.jpg

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The before and after to the hands I had to fix on this model.

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These models had some super screwed up hands. They didnt survive being ported out of the game, for whatever reason

austere harbor May 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/RfTKU7p.png Why not model a Band Mascot, So i am going to with this WIP

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austere harbor May 20, 2018, 7:45 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/6u7Ha3x.png

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stable edge May 21, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Nice

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Hope you've got a side view too

austere harbor May 21, 2018, 7:07 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/rzFBUVx.png
https://i.imgur.com/E6NUcqv.png

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finished

stable edge May 21, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Looking good 👍

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Unsure if this is intentional but the top of the head isn't round

austere harbor May 21, 2018, 7:19 AM

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i's intentional, I wanted to make it look rough.

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since as i know it's not meant to look naturuel

lament pond May 21, 2018, 9:00 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422424977728339972/448046904719310849/unknown.png

deft fog May 21, 2018, 10:58 AM

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So this is what my model should look like
https://gyazo.com/ed02510629992b27d1f6b5ccb182ba46

Gyazo

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Yet this is what I get
https://gyazo.com/f45725ebea8c0c2cb955375a1d78fdfe

Gyazo

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There is nothing set to make the eyes so small. I have no idea what could cause this.

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The small pupil shapekey looks like this.
https://gyazo.com/6d60f91aaf64f31557abd729775580a6

so it's something completely different.

Gyazo

stable edge May 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

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Uh id say that's a combo of shapekeys

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Make eyetracking/blink in blender again using cats

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Move to unity yada yada

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I'd think that there's a mesh behind the eye (forgetting correct name) for the eye whites so the eye being visible should be a big enough hint

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@deft fog

deft fog May 21, 2018, 11:47 AM

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I made these eyes, myself.

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And only really made the small pupils thing

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Though I can try just removing the eye thing and see if that works

stable edge May 21, 2018, 11:51 AM

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Remake blinking and try again

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Use cats

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Basis or whatever you want to use

deft fog May 21, 2018, 11:55 AM

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Blinking uses bones, while the eye uses visceme shapekeys

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That could still cause some problems like thsi?

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I'll try

stable edge May 21, 2018, 12:01 PM

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No if there isn't a shape key to blink vr will use the 1st four anyway

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It doesn't care if you didn't make any

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:02 PM

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No no I mean

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I made these blinking animations and I made the eyes, themselves. The blinking and facial animations are all built on bones because its a port from a video game. The eyes had to be custom-made because the model didnt port out the eyes for whatever reason

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In no spot should the eyes have their small pupil shapebey be active, and its the only shapekey.

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Plus, the shapekey that makes the eyes small like that are different from whats happening in game

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In game they're more... egg-shaped in a sense.

stable edge May 21, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Cats uses first 4 shape keys to blinm

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Blink

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So it might be combining

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Also you can use game blinking animations

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Just need to have the anims

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:04 PM

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I dont think blinking has anything with the eyes getting so small

stable edge May 21, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Again vrchat thinks first 4 keyshapes (not basis) are to blink

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:06 PM

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https://gyazo.com/bfd8820a73f261d0ae57ded8e4b55ab0

Gyazo

stable edge May 21, 2018, 12:06 PM

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And were these auto made

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:06 PM

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No, I made them by hand and named them

stable edge May 21, 2018, 12:07 PM

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They need to be auto made

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I did that myself and also got issues

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:07 PM

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I have no issues like this

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I have an issue with a mesh resizing itself

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And its not tied to any animation, because its a constant

stable edge May 21, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Try auto blink shapes and not assigning eyes in unity for upload

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See what happens

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:14 PM

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I may have found the issue.

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The eyes are controlled by two bones, with one major bone doing most of the work. They're using the secondary bone for eye movement.

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I'm gonna see if this fixes it.

deft fog May 21, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Made new blinking animations, made new shapekeys. Did the automatic thing. Changed to the correct eye bone.