avatar-rigging

[tame coral]

adding the symmetrical oppsite side doesn't seem to fix the scewedness and its a problem that non of the rigging tutorials ive seen ever mention so was hoping someones experienced the same and figured a sollution

[ashen blade]

@tame coral Chain length 0, it means it will track IK until its out of bones

set it to 2

[tame coral]

omg thank you

glad there's people out here who spot this stuff right away cuz ive already spent most of the day tryna figure it out on my own oof

[fading verge]

hey guys I need help with a riggin issue

in full body my avi does this

know what could cause it ?

[finite silo]

is your hip bone aligned with your leg bones?

if so, you'll want to raise it

[fading verge]

hold on I'll post a picture of my armature real quick

[finite silo]

you want to raise the ball of the hip as far as possible

[fading verge]

let me check and thank you

you're right

will this do ?

[finite silo]

it should be better, but from what i've experienced

if it's even close to being aligned, the hip issue will be watered down, but still slightly abnormal

[fading verge]

alright does it matter how small my hip bone is ?

or would that introduce other issues

[finite silo]

i dont believe a small hipbone will cause issues, just might look weird inside Blender

i would move the ball of the spine to where the belly button would be

[fading verge]

alright thanks I'll make it as small as possible un moved the spine tail a little

that should do i guess

[finite silo]

that should be fine

[fading verge]

alright sweet thanks man

[finite silo]

let me know how it turns out

hope it helped

[fading verge]

will do thank you

[naive tree]

small hip bone does cause issues, and it doesn't need to be small, just above your legs

[fading verge]

alright thanks also anyone know what causes being bow legged in desktop ?

@finite silo It worked thank you so much

[still tartan]

hey guys, i asked this a few days ago already but we couldn't really figure it out, and i still havent till this day. does anyone reading this have an idea what could cause this "neck snapping in place" when going from movement to stillstand? example video below

[fading verge]

do you have a different walk cycle?

[still tartan]

no, all default right now

[rapid mauve]

Did you add anything to the original models head in unity?

[still tartan]

no, everything is as basic as it can be

only avatar descriptor on the model right now

i noticed this on many models tho, its not just mine.

the IK seems to align something forcefully

and uses the neck for that

[rapid mauve]

What’s strange is the head looks so static on the body - looking at the ears the head does not move with them like it should

[still tartan]

well the head is the master bone in desktop mode i assume

funny enough, i tried this with the example rig that comes with the SDK

and it does the same exact thing with the neck

[fading verge]

might be something caused by a new update because I had the same issue with one of my model where I made a custom walk cycle and the head stays in place

when moving that is

[rapid mauve]

In the vid you hold up your arm before moving / that’s not a standard animation is it ?

[fading verge]

thought they were picking a prop up

[rapid mauve]

Yeah that’s possible

[still tartan]

yeah picked up a prop by accident

does maybe anyone of you have a rig laying around that doesnt do that? that i could maybe use to try and figure out what is causing it?

[rapid mauve]

I’d love to play with this model / is it custom ?

[still tartan]

yeah its my character from another game

but i'm kinda stuck, since i dont really wanna continue with doing clothes etc before i figured out the neck thingy

[rapid mauve]

That’s understandable - if you figure out the problem please don’t keep it to yourself -

[tepid spade]

mh , beautiful day , isn't it ?

ok so i checked in blender , and all the vertex groups decided to go somewhere

[opal aurora]

Did you by any chance apply the armature modifier?

[tepid spade]

nvm i figured out

the model was fucked

i just used one my backup file

[old mantle]

Is there a way to rig multiple models to one armiture?

[tepid spade]

mh , seems still bad

in game , my view is too much higher that it should , the hand position are like 30° more

and the lip anim is awful

@old mantle wdym

[tame skiff]

Any tips for rigging clothes like this?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508003958783082523/736703413815083081/unknown.png

[stark jetty]

Hey so im working on weight painting the rigs etc, is there anything i should look for what certain bends etc

[fading verge]

alright, i've ran into a very annoying issue, so i've gotten this lol model. fully rigged and is humanoid all parts seem fine, but whenever i give it a a anim in unity the head and body just spins 180 degrees, why is that?

[crisp tendon]

@tame skiff Weight paint tools addon has the project weight function

[heavy tinsel]

@fading verge Your not supposed to discuss content ripped from other games. Rule 13.

[fading verge]

Yes Police officer, sorry

[amber kestrel]

Would you rather a community member warn you, or a mod strike you down?

[north wadi]

Yu

Ty

[oblique latch]

@tepid spade force t pose in unity maybe that will fix it

[tepid spade]

ye i did it this morning and it worked

[torn hatch]

Despite my view position being perfect, my model is offput waaaay to the right. Anyone know how to fix this (bonus points for also telling me how to fix what i like to call "the stanky leg". See the right calf.)

[sleek isle]

your origin point might be not center

the rig should resemble this https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/sGZCXnYkAVg6K-JtoN9OfA7NYbF13fp-5unM0wL54vY/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/390924372782612480/732117891591307314/unknown.png

[wheat tulip]

Ur view point ball is offset

[balmy solstice]

Um

question

when i parented my armature to the mesh, with weight painting, the waist bone wasn't included, and attempting to weight paint one doesn't work

Do I need to now make an extra bone just so I can edit the weight paints of the waist?

[opal aurora]

Is the bone part of the same armature?

[balmy solstice]

Yes

[opal aurora]

Odd...

[balmy solstice]

it does move the model when I parent to the mesh with weight paints applied, and all other bones are able to have their weight painting edited

It's just the waist

[opal aurora]

You're applying automatic weights right?

[balmy solstice]

the waist doesn't appear in the vertex groups, and attempting to add it in does absolutely nothing, and yes I am

[opal aurora]

For something like that to happen it either isn't part of the armature, or it was somehow told to not get weights relevant to it

I forgot the exact process to allow automatic weights on specific bones, but you could remove that one and extrude a new one

That should fix it

Afterwards you can just re-weight the whole mesh

[balmy solstice]

attempting to make another bone in the same spot as the original waist, causes that other bone to banish itself into oblivion

[opal aurora]

How?

[balmy solstice]

nvm got it

[opal aurora]

Like, does it stretch to oblivion, vanish from existence, disappear in the exact same spot (it's just hidden at that point)

Ah alright

[balmy solstice]

my first attempt to replace the bone caused the bone itself to vanish from existence

[opal aurora]

Well hopefully it works, if it doesn't, i'm sadly out of ideas

[balmy solstice]

it did

so this model has two seperate textures, one for clothes and eyes, and one for the non covered up parts, which unfortunately produces results like the pic

is there a way to connect the meshes without screwing up the texture files?

[turbid spear]

just join the vertices

select 2 then press M and at center

Textures shouldn't be affected as it will just stretch them a bit

[balmy solstice]

anyway to have the mesh maintain it's pose so I know which spots to connect?

[turbid spear]

https://puu.sh/GbuVk/92e1b603a5.png

[torn hatch]

@sleek isle How do i check/change my origin point?

[balmy solstice]

Question, How would the eye "Bones" be set up on a head?

[turbid spear]

Look at how other models have them setup

They're usually just poking through the middle of the eye

[balmy solstice]

um... is there like an image I can use for reference, so I don't feel stupid ._.

[turbid spear]

Well, I think it depends on the model

on my current one they look like this

[balmy solstice]

because I'm unclear what one means by that, I mean, like are the bones angled or are they straight forward?

[turbid spear]

Cats bones only https://puu.sh/GbwrH/9af6a32fe4.png

With eyes bones, tho I think they should be lower https://puu.sh/GbwtA/981365c944.png

[balmy solstice]

Ah

[turbid spear]

The bottom part of the bone is usually the pivot

I don't think it matters which way the bone is pointing

But the eyes will pivot around the bottom of the bone

Cats creates these extra bones for you that it lets you change the range of

Which essentially moves them further and closer away from the eye

[glad bluff]

Hello! I’m looking for someone who can rig this model my friend made for me. I can offer art and/or character designs. I don’t need any special animations or anything, I just want him to be able to walk around and having the mouth move when I talk. If you can help, hit me up! ❤️

[astral warren]

the root of the eye bones should be the point in space eye will rotate around. The tail should be directly above that point so the bone points directly up

[torn hatch]

So some funky stuff has been happening to my left leg. I checked the rigging for anomalies to realize it was this fucker all along. How do i deal with it?

[crisp tendon]

You'd have to remove that bone in blender

[opal aurora]

Consider parenting the bone to the head, if it has weights on the head

Though that is very weird

(And i mean the bone that's around the head area that's apparently parented to the leg or vice-versa)

[torn hatch]

Ok, so something very odd, but that bone IS the head

[opal aurora]

Make sure the head is parented to the neck, and that all the leg and feet bones are parented to their respective parents

[torn hatch]

Does that mean the head is in the neck, or the neck is in the head?

[opal aurora]

In terms of armature, head in neck

[torn hatch]

yeah, all the parents are correct

[opal aurora]

Hips
  |_Spine
      |_Chest
          |_Neck
              |_Head

To be precise

[torn hatch]

yep

[opal aurora]

What is the head bone going into then? o:

[crisp tendon]

head has to be the first child

[torn hatch]

How do i move it?

[opal aurora]

Actually, talking about that, is there any way to reorder the bones without unpacking the prefab on 2018.4.20f1?

That has been the bane of my existence since updating

[sleek isle]

Have then in alphabet order. And preserve the order on import

[solar mist]

hey guys! i was trying to edit an avatar to remove its legs and add armor instead, than reassign the bones to the armor
i added the right mesh to each bone and it even show that it works fine in blender. but when i use the same model in unity and use an animation it ignore a part of the armor. here are some photos for better understanding

in blender it worked fine. and i assigned the right bones in unity. but the result show that it doesnt affect the upper part of the armor. does anyone know whats the problem and how to fix it?

[crisp tendon]

omg pls remove some bones from this skirt, that's going to kill someone

Did you reupload on top of something in Unity or was it a full reimport ?

[solar mist]

yeah i didnt make all these bones for the skirt lol

its a full reimport

the same fbx file that i exported from blender

[cunning pawn]

anyone know the bone effect limit for vrchat? is it just unity's max 32?

[hasty scarab]

I'm having this weird issue in Blender 2.8 where I can't weight paint clothing meshes because even if I shift-click a bone it doesn't actually select it.. Not sure what to do

I can weight paint the body mesh fine by selecting both the body mesh and the armature and going into weight paint mode (then shift clicking each bone), but for some weird reason I can't do this with any other mesh

[crisp tendon]

@cunning pawn bone effect limit ?

[cunning pawn]

how many bones can effect a given vertex

[crisp tendon]

@hasty scarab Your meshes needs to be joined to the armature

[cunning pawn]

in terms of influence for the skinning/binding anyways

[crisp tendon]

oh, can't remember if that's 4 or something else

[cunning pawn]

i'll just go with four, makes sense i suppose, thanks a bunch

[crisp tendon]

But you're right the max is technically 32, but i think there's a much lower limit in place

[cunning pawn]

i wouldn't put it past them to set a much lower limit, performance n' all

[sleek isle]

Ban

[solar mist]

so no body know how to fix it? :\

[crisp tendon]

To me you did it correctly, so i'm not sure what the issue could be

[solar mist]

yeah its pretty weird..

[hasty scarab]

@crisp tendon how do I join a mesh to armature?

found it, nvm thanks

ctrl + p

how do you check which armature a mesh is currently parented to?

[crisp tendon]

i usually move the armature

[hasty scarab]

hmm.. now the weight painting mode seems right and I can select bones, but after applying automatic weights, I can no longer edit the weights. I click to add and the color doesn't change

wait.. I have to have the verticies selected in edit mode first?

[crisp tendon]

If you use the vertex masking mode yes

[astral warren]

That curtain of bones scares me

[hasty scarab]

@Ruubick what is vertex masking mode

[wheat tulip]

Blender 2.8

[crisp tendon]

it's great

[wheat tulip]

I'm gonna stick to 2.79 I'm no pro

[heavy tinsel]

2.8 is just better than 2.79 in almost every way tho.

[crisp tendon]

It's very lacking in VRChat tutorials for beginners still, hasn't been out for that long

[wheat tulip]

ill move to 2.8 if i figure out how to change the white model mode to texture

but idk how

also im getting use to 2.79

so its hard to make the change

if i did make the change idk where where the tools are i dont even know how to install cats on blender 2.83

[astral warren]

Current blender is much easier to learn. 2.79 will just lock you out of updates and eventually you won't find any tutorals for it anywhere.

You'll be forced to update eventually, might as well stay current now instead of wasting time learning something you eventually won't be able to use.

[wheat tulip]

Hmm there's barely any video on blender 2.8

[crisp tendon]

You can learn on the fly too

and most things from 2.79 are there

[wheat tulip]

Hmm

You might need to guide me through some stuff such as adding cats and the zoom cam so I don't get stuck

Also the transition to white mode to texture

[crisp tendon]

Those tutorials exist

[burnt goblet]

Yes YouTube and random wiki websites are your friend when it comes to 2.8 you’ll get it down fast n easy in no time

Also a recommendation is to literally click every button on the screen and or hover over it to read the description of what it does

[sour brook]

Question, My model seems to cross eyed quite frequently and look down like this? Is this how the eye tracking just is or is there a way to make it look less jank?

[wheat tulip]

Do have eye tracking?

That might be blender

[sour brook]

Also this >_>

hmmm dunno what it would have to do with my rig from maya

[turbid spear]

They mean you might take it back to blender to fix it, but since you're using Maya, to that

[sour brook]

I did try to mess with the muscle settings in hope to reign in the cross eye

but that seemed to have caused the desync on the eyes

[crisp tendon]

Cross eye is a bone roll issue

[sour brook]

interesting, I have my bone roll(I assume join orient in maya) all to zero for the eyes

does the view position have any effect on if the player will cross eye or where they look?

[crisp tendon]

nope

[sour brook]

hmm

[sour brook]

from my understanding you can't freeze bone translations and rotation. I've tried unbinding the skin and freezing but maya isn't allowing that

[crisp tendon]

Worth a trip in Blender city then

in edit mode on all bones > Clear rolls

and on everything in object mode > Ctrl + A > Apply all transforms

[sour brook]

aren't rolls different than rotations and translations?

[turbid spear]

They are

at least in blender

[sour brook]

okay so why would my translations and rotations have any effect, Also as far as I can tell joint orient which is seen in the joint tab is the maya equivalent to bone roll, and if I'm not mistaken that's just the rotation axis of a bone, correct?

[crisp tendon]

I don't know what a joint is in Maya and it's equivalency in blender, but the transforms tab shows inherent rotation

[wheat tulip]

Hmm

If you assign eye bone in cats

You can limit the movement

[ionic sedge]

I'm having a particular issue with the hand bones. By default looks like that the model I imported needs some work on them, as noticed by testing ingame as well. I usually get some problems solved by using the CATS Fix Model option. However in this case, it appears that it actually fixes only the right hand, meanwhile the left one, as long as the rest of the body, gets totally screwed up. Is there a way to force this fix on only the hands and not on the entire model? Otherwise I was thinking about moving them manually, however I don't really know where to start and how to do that properly...

[wheat tulip]

Wrong

It's not connecting to the single bone

Asko why is ur hand offset yo the arm

One of the finger bones isn't even offset

[ionic sedge]

This is the original bone structure of the model, I haven't touched it yet, not really having idea how they work

[wheat tulip]

Well you'll need to do some work on it

First thing first apply fix model

So the bones are bigger

. And easier to see

[ionic sedge]

Done without any option selected

[wheat tulip]

You see those lines

Where ur fingers connected to those are unwanted

Lines

What you need to do is disconnect the bones and properly reconnect them

The thumb looks good

The example in that picture is that they should look like the thumb

[ionic sedge]

As you pointed out, except the thumb, the others doesn't seem to be properly connected.

[wheat tulip]

Where's there's only on line connected to the had bone

Yeah that bone isn't connected

Select the two bones and offset them

I think it is ctrl p

[ionic sedge]

Now with the correct parent

[wheat tulip]

Yeha there we go

Now go in pose mode and see if it moves with the hand

If the bones move together but body doesnt then I'ts weight paint missing

If the bones arent moving together you need to connect it properly

[ionic sedge]

Yeah I'm noticing the difference between offset and not

[wheat tulip]

The offset thing basically connects ur bones

I use if all the time

[ionic sedge]

For this option is it suggested to do that with only the hand ones, or for the entire body?

[wheat tulip]

?

Wdym?

It's just for connecting bones u don't need to do it if

The amaatures working

For example today my avatars arm won't move with bones

So I weight painted it on

As long as it moves with the bones

When moving parts of the body

[ionic sedge]

I mean that I noticed that with the offset option, moving a bone makes the connected one react. Checking the entire bone structure, every single bone seems disconnected from each other

that's why I asked if it's better if I do this whole process on the entire avatar

[wheat tulip]

if its disonnected then yeah sure go ahead

but doubt all bones are broken

if it moves it good

u dont need to change anything

[ionic sedge]

I guess might help for some situations

Also on the twist bones?

[wheat tulip]

for example

[ionic sedge]

Doing a quick test right now, however the rest of the rig got entirely screwed up by the CATS fix

[fallen jungle]

This rig should be fine for VR chat yes?

[tepid spade]

this looks good

check if you got the neck

[forest igloo]

See the pins

[fallen jungle]

there a few for the neck

[astral warren]

Jack seems to be missing a few bones and they might not be patented correctly

[hasty scarab]

Does anybody know how to solve this?

For some reason, when I export my model from Blender (2.8) to Unity, it creates a hole in the mesh on the bottom of the torso. The hole does not appear to be there in Blender, and all of the normals appear to be fine. It looks as if one of the vertex faces off the bottom of the mesh gets deleted for some reason. Send help.

助けて

[crisp tendon]

enable wireframe mode ?

[hasty scarab]

@crisp tendon yes, with the face orientation display, all of the normals appear to be outward (blue). But with the vector display for the normals, some of the normals appear to be rather parallel (rather than perpendicular) to the face.

[crisp tendon]

Any chance the face on that texture is now on transparency ?

[hasty scarab]

how would I check that? ❤️

[crisp tendon]

Check the UVs in blender ?

[hasty scarab]

I've never done that before :p

[north wadi]

How can you get the muscle editor work on unity?

Also what is good settings dyramatic bones for Kon ears and tail

[hasty scarab]

I have something with no weights that still moves shit..

[ripe talon]

damn

[hasty scarab]

what the fuck?

[ripe talon]

tf

[fallen jungle]

Does this first half look fine?

[turbid spear]

Assign eye again in the configure menu for the humanoid rig @hasty scarab

[fallen jungle]

so I just finished my rig. First time doing so

[hasty scarab]

@turbid spear ty

[gleaming arch]

This is more of a Blender question than a VRChat question, but maybe you guys can help me out. I have a bone structure more or less like this:

BoneA
|- FutureParent
BoneB
|- ProblemBone```
I need to make ProblemBone behave as if it was a child of FutureParent, and ignore BoneB entirely. I've had *some* success with the bone constraint "child of", but while that makes the ProblemBone somewhat follow FutureParent, it doesn't make it ignore BoneB entirely. Any idea of how I can achieve that without changing the bone tree?

[fading verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/738225855737626644/unknown.png

[amber kestrel]

I don't think that's doable in blender with the blender -> unity -> VRC workflow, but you can probably parent constraint it in a copy rig (can't do it in the avatar's rig because IK overrides pretty much everything movement-wise)

[astral warren]

@gleaming arch a bone is going to be influenced by it’s parent no matter what. If you don’t want this it should be re-parented, what’s the reason for not wanting to?

[gleaming arch]

@astral warren I can't change the animations I got, so I gotta do my best for it to work even as I reparent/rename bones to obey VRChat's restrictions lol. So basically I wanna reparent my bones but make them follow the parenting of the old ones where the animations are. I had success in Blender with the Constraints system, but I can't export that to Unity so I'm looking for a workaround now

[astral warren]

I’m pretty sure you should be able to modify the animations

But now there’s no way for at least to my understanding make a game object ignore the transforms of its parent. That’s the whole purpose of parenting.

[fervent hornet]

Just use unity constraints with a negative value towards its parent

[astral warren]

That would stabilize it and keep it stationary?

[fervent hornet]

Testing rn to make sure im not talking out of nothing

Yeah so if you have a child parent constrained to its parent with a weight of -1 and total weight of 0.5 it does half of a mirror of its parent which results in no movement

Oh thats just location though rotation needs to be -1 total I think

I'd look at the VRLabs world constraints as its basically what I'm doing: https://vrlabs.dev/item/world-constraints

This will completely nullify a parents influence:

Unless you constrain it again to something else though itll be stuck in world space

[gleaming arch]

But can you do that to the bone level?

[astral warren]

Yeah after all that you then constrain it to the grandparent

[gleaming arch]

I'm having some success on Blender with the "Bake Pose" function, it's adding the constraint data without breaking everything

If it ends up not working in the end I'll try this plug in

[astral warren]

Constraints don’t always perfectly import into unity

Best to set them up in unity

All unity constraints work in blender but blender has extra options that unity can’t do

[gleaming arch]

Yeah I was reading about how most software can't read constraints from others

But what the Bake Pose thing does is delete the constraints while incorporating what they do in the keyframes

So that might work if it doesn't break all my animations lol

[fading verge]

Im not sure if this is possible but Id like to be able to move many meshes with one rig (have the arm go up for all when I put up the arm or whatever) Ive only made a couple of vravatars before and this is a little confusing for me how it would work in blender and then in unity vrchat sdk

I only want to have one rig since I want to be within the "good" performance category

Considering I just read above that constraints do not transfer well.

[ocean bison]

please. anyone has an idea what would be causing this and how can I fix that?

the IK somehow moves the body to the front. I tried moving the bones around to no avail...

[turbid spear]

did you move then in unity or blender

[ocean bison]

blender

seems the problem is primarily with the hip bone placement. 😕

[lament shard]

Anyone can help me

I need to equip and unequip

[ocean bison]

trial and error does not seem to work. any idea what is wrong?

[robust crescent]

try moving the neck bones more in the middle

[ocean bison]

which bone should I move in order to straighten my avatar? I tried moving the hip bone around but it does not seem to have any effect.

[crisp tendon]

in edit mode ?

You can't do that in unity

[ocean bison]

unity shows how my avatar looks in game when I upload.

[crisp tendon]

Have you tried another idle animation ? Your spine is rotated forward and your neck is a bit too far back

your legs might also be too straight

[ocean bison]

thank you very much for the help!

[meager mist]

Is there a way to animate the vrc avatar descriptor so that when you prone your view position moves up a bit?

[turbid spear]

don't think so as the avatar descriptor is only used to set your avatar up, after that, you'd need to move the camera, which you can't as far as i know

[meager mist]

thats what i mean

with custome prone anims

[turbid spear]

i don't think it's currently possible

[half shadow]

Yeah - i don't think there is a way to do that the only thing you can do i think is move avatar back in the animation slightly so it doesn't cover your viewpoint, i don't think you can do anything with it apart from that

[meager mist]

:c

[turbid spear]

maybe with avatars 3.0 you will be able to have a crouch anim

instead of prone being so high

[half shadow]

Yeah, you can in AV3 - they provide an ability to change viewpoint position on the fly

[meager mist]

i cant wait ;c

it cant come any sooner

[half shadow]

Yeah a lot of people who touched AV3SDK are stuck waiting including me, there is so much new stuff that i just don't want to go back to LIVE haha

[astral warren]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, 3.0 should be able to control at what point your prone animation triggers

So that you can trigger prone sooner when you aren’t so close to the ground

Desktop users still can’t fix that though since the set height is not defined by avatar

[fair bluff]

Anyone know how to fix this?

It does that with most avatars I try to make

[astral warren]

The game will decide which way the knees should bend by looking at which direction they are already slightly bending, and exaggerate it.

So the knees should be bend slightly backwards rather than slightly inward

[fair bluff]

And I have to go to blender to fix that I assume? No way to do anything about it in Unity?

[sleek isle]

eye ball the rig to look strait

[astral warren]

@fair bluff you can do it in unity

[fair bluff]

Didn't know I could mess with bones in unity

[astral warren]

You can’t mess with bones but you can pose the avatar and that’s all it’s looking at

[fair bluff]

Oh, sooooo where would I go to do that?

[astral warren]

Bend the knees backward a little so they bend backwards instead of inward

Regular unity view with the avatar

[turbid spear]

You sure? I thought that the default view pose doesn't matter and the pose in the rig does

[astral warren]

The regular scene pose decided knee movement alone. Anything else is probably works as well

[fair bluff]

Even then, I'm a bit of a dummy dumm and dunno how to "bend the knee backwards" like, I move it, or rotate it, or.. I'm confused. x)

[astral warren]

You rotate the knees

You have a bone list on the left to select them

Position rotate and scale buttons are top left

[fair bluff]

Yeah I'm on there, so I just drag the red circle to make the leg go back

[astral warren]

I’d use the numbers personally

Red is X

[fair bluff]

They look terrifying

[astral warren]

It’s just x y z

Red circle is X

[fair bluff]

Yeah Ik

[astral warren]

Add 3 to it or if it goes wrong way subtract 3

You can just add “+3” to the end of whatever number is there already

[fair bluff]

I don't gotta twist y at all since the legs were bending inwards?

[astral warren]

You can. I’d just tweek with numbers so you can be sure it’s a symmetrical edit

[fair bluff]

mhm mhm

Time to test now, sry that you had to hold my hand through this. x)

Hmmmm somehow made it worse. Welp, back to unity

[gleaming arch]

If I rename a bone in Blender, is there a way to automatically rename it in the animations where it shows up? So I don't end up with this

[old quest]

okay, what do I need to do to fix this

do I have to mess around in blender for the billionth time

how do I put the foot bones as childs of the shins

never mind fixed it

[sleek isle]

parent the foot to the shin

[old quest]

and now the feet are facing inward in unity

should I just delete the stupid IK controls

the tutorial I watched had the person making IKs and I feel like it's ruining this model

I think I had the poles or whatever facing the wrong way

[sleek isle]

reaply the humanoid

from none

[old quest]

it looks fine but I got the feet stretching so I guess my weight painting is bad

[fair bluff]

Im starting to think I cant fix the knees in unity

Am just confused

[rose mountain]

How can I prevent my body from twisting when up side down

[crisp tendon]

when upside down ?

[rose mountain]

Doing hand stands in VR @crisp tendon

[crisp tendon]

yeah that's sadly a limitation of IK

nothing that can be done for now

[rose mountain]

:C T..T 😢

How about my rig??? does it look better??

@crisp tendon

[crisp tendon]

Chest bone is still very large

and neck bone is too far back

[rose mountain]

so chest too big spine too small??

[crisp tendon]

Yeah

[rose mountain]

ok thx

[fading verge]

Is there a way I can control multiple meshes with one rig in unison?

Like a bunch of clones with a constraint from blender to unity?

[crisp tendon]

a single constraint ? no, a lot of them ? maybe, but that's going to be a pain in the ass

[fading verge]

I had something going on in blender but the rotation was off, cant reproduce it right now

duplicating the mesh allows me to control it using the rig, but with major deformation

this gives a loose idea of what id like

[crisp tendon]

Much better

[crisp tendon]

maybe move the bottom of the head bone down a bit

for nicer rotations

and you're gucci

[rose mountain]

thx

How far down???

[crisp tendon]

2

[rose mountain]

Better??

[crisp tendon]

I think so !

[rose mountain]

Thank you.

[rigid narwhal]

hello! i'm having trouble with assigning the eyes to the unity rig, and i'm not sure how to find where the issue is/fix it. moving the eyes under head in the armature hierarchy made the error go away but saving reverses it.

[crisp tendon]

You need to fix this in blender

[rigid narwhal]

ohh!! thank you so much!

[amber trench]

is there an easy way to add noodle arms and legs to a 3d model i made

[still fossil]

@amber trench You're probably gonna have to make them from scratch

[haughty pilot]

Howdy :) I'm having trouble with these bones :( 100% user error for sure. is there any way to "adjust" how much hold that "hoodie bone" has on the back of the helmet? the first iteration I had the helmet joined to the body mesh, but this time i did it as a separate object, thinking that hoodie bone wouldn't effect it. This is a poopoo kitbash of a vroid body and a helmet object I made.

Well, i deleted the hoodie bone, moved the helmet off the bones, and its still doing this slicing in posing 🤔

[amber kestrel]

Weight painting

[earnest valley]

Hey! Does anyone have any tips and tricks for avatars creation?

[glass panther]

There are many :) Best thing is to start with tutorials and go from there.

[tame skiff]

Oh heck, my model has a huge chest bone too

[astral warren]

for new avatars it’s probably better to start using a four bone backbone (hips, spine, chest, upper chest) since it’s fully supported on AV3. In that armature the four of them tend to be about equal lengths each

Since av3 will probably be out soon

It doesn’t bend much but it’s an extra degree of twist to make the spine/chest twist less dramatic

[tame skiff]

but muh rib cage

[astral warren]

They bend. That’s why they are ribs

Sternum and up is upper chest

All vertebrae opposite and below the sternum are not actually connected to the rib cage and twist freely

Try it yourself. Your upper torso is not locked lol

You can’t bend much but it can twist. IK works the same

[fervent hornet]

Yeah, floating ribs allow a lot of movement, false ribs a little less, and then true ribs have the least flexibility

[haughty pilot]

@amber kestrel Thanks buddy :)

[bronze briar]

hi i am having an issue where cats generated two shoulder parents. if i delete one or the other it destroys the model. does anyone have a fix for this.

i believe the duplicate shoulder parent is causing this issue in unity

[heavy tinsel]

That looks painful...

[bronze briar]

it feels it lol

[heavy tinsel]

That issue usually means those parts don't have any weight paint.

[bronze briar]

ill check that out

i think you might be right

[hasty scarab]

does anybody know how to rig an avatar that wears heals? I feel like the foot bone is too tilted and it becomes hard to walk correctly in full body

[haughty pilot]

I'm a huge nub, but what if you did something like this? : @hasty scarab

[turbid spear]

Usually the foot bone is diagonal

From around where the heel in the shoe would be

to where it ends now

[haughty pilot]

What would you guys recommend doing to keep the fans with the head through movement? when I rotate the head bone, they stay where they are. the plan is also to animate them.

[turbid spear]

Weight the fans to a bone then parent the bone to the head bone

You could probably use one bone for both fans

[spark thicket]

hey does anyone know how to fix this avatar that ive been trying to upload. The FBT works but the hip/pelvis bends to the side even when standing straight. ive tried fixing the bones but that did not seem to help it. I've have also weight painted back over it to fix it but im not too sure what could be the problem. Some advice would be well appreciated as I am still roughly new to diagnosing these things.

[robust crescent]

Spine look abit odd

saw this one awhile ago,

[copper juniper]

I have an avatar with blend shape visemes for lip syncing but it barely works in game. it seems like the blend shapes are only activating a tiny bit, like 25% or less.

Is there a way to change the sensitivity of blend shapes?

I'd prefer if it was just either on or off if that's possible

[robust crescent]

Shape key mix intensity in blender/cats , maybe if you set that higher

[copper juniper]

doesn't seem like i can because my mesh isn't attached to the armature

https://gyazo.com/fe9fda123e0b8832be14015399cf2b0f

[glacial anvil]

My friend has helped me put together something in Blender, and I'm trying to take care of the Unity aspect. I'm still learning. I have a coat on the model, that I'm guessing I want dynamic bones to stop it from clipping through my model. I have 3 pictures here showing what I've done

does anyone see where I've goofed? I applied dynamic bones to all of the lower coat, and applied colliders to the legs. But In game, full body, the coat is still a solid object, that cuts through my avatar

[robust crescent]

You have nothing on the root transform ?

[glacial anvil]

I'm not sure what that means yet

[robust crescent]

You need to add first bone of the coat to the "Root" in dynamic bone, right now its not using any bones

[glacial anvil]

oh man, see I knew it was something right in front of me

sorry, still learning the UI

[robust crescent]

if you fiddle with radius, you can see where the colliding parts are

but its gonna be wonky, it will clip 99% sure :p

[glacial anvil]

lol I'm fine with wonky, just enjoying learning as I go

[robust crescent]

you need to add collider to the 'collider' tab in dynamic bone too

[glacial anvil]

so for each coat piece with a dynamic bone, Also 'add component' for colliders?

[robust crescent]

see > colliders on the bone , expand it

[glacial anvil]

ok, gotcha found it

lmao

I just applied the left/right leg as the collider element for each bone. what is causing them to treat my leg colliders like a sphere?

[tepid spade]

why did i get flashback of big chungus of that ?

[glacial anvil]

lol

[tepid spade]

does there is something in coat... stuffs ?

if there is something with .end delete it

it could work

(it could)

[glacial anvil]

I think I figured it out, tweaked the radius of the leg colliders

only issue I'm having now, pressing play, I don't see any movement when moving the model around

trying to move when pressing 'play' doesn't animate any of the bones, and looks like it leaves the bones behind. Is this something I can fix in Unity?

[sharp lily]

Does anyone have any advice on rigging a spider avatar?

I know having a empty skeleton for movement is a good idea but unsure about what to do for animating the legs and actually torso.

[shut coyote]

would you say bones have to be 100% perfect or just good enough to work?

im not amazing with bones but i can make some

[sharp lily]

Hm

[polar fox]

https://i.gyazo.com/24a15545d3c5fff3d1d7f2d4edf79f06.mp4

i dont claim to know much

[deft snow]

I asked this before on #avatars-2-general but it was very busy. I've been having an issue where my right leg sinks through the floor a bit. The odd thing is it's only visible to other players not the wearer. It looks completely normal to the wearer. It only does it in FBT.

Could just having a dynamic bone script on the hips even though it doesn't reference the hip bone cause this?

[haughty pilot]

@turbid spear Thanks a ton :)! I got it working thanks to your advice <3 I keep getting caught up on not adjusting weights!

[sleek isle]

Eye and hair bone seen to be pair the the leg

[shrewd breach]

help

whenever I remove zero weighted bones on blender . it breaks the whole rigging of the model

[fading verge]

i got an issue, when i shift it all to unity, the hands are shifted slightly forwards, im thinking its a bones issue, anyone?

[drifting gull]

is there literally anything about this rig that would make it not work with fbt

i've been struggling with this for decades it feels

ingame image for ref

[crisp tendon]

That rig looks perfectly fitted for fbt

[drifting gull]

then im so confused as to why it just wont work 😦

[daring rose]

oh god dammit

[drifting gull]

iuts annoying that the feet tracking is always so close to the feet, but never seems to be at the fe-

<IjqfioJgwhijw ohm y god

those legs

[daring rose]

i really have no clue what happened

[fading verge]

aw

what the fuck

[daring rose]

the bones are fine and walking animations are fine

some magic has caused the idle animation to break my knees

[drifting gull]

nah just some built in ventilation

[daring rose]

i guess

can i manually fix that in Unity? im not rigging this all again >:(

[drifting gull]

hnmm

first you have to find out why this happens

this is pc, correct?

[daring rose]

yes

i can check the model again

the knees are a bit too low but i dont know if thats just the preview

[drifting gull]

how does it compare in blender?

[daring rose]

i can check

Exactly the dang same

[drifting gull]

uhhhh

ok so

im suspecting its the very widened pose

go into pose mode and make them more straight

[daring rose]

right

[drifting gull]

then apply as rest pose

[daring rose]

can i export a model with materials on it so i don't have to put them back on?

[drifting gull]

If you made your material in unity you should be able to just plop it back on

[daring rose]

i dont know how to merge materials

[drifting gull]

You created a new material didn't you?

[daring rose]

no i just made every texture i needed a material because i dont know how to link them and they need different settings

[drifting gull]

wait so

are each of these categories just

put into unique materials

[formal temple]

Is there anywhere I can download a good fullbody rig to put on one of my human avatars? Its not that I can't make one I'd just like to have a good 3D reference to look at and mess with

[drifting gull]

I think the testrig.fbx one in the sdk is a good base

you can diverge a little bit but it does provide some insight

[formal temple]

Where can I grab that? I wanna try and put it in blender

[daring rose]

are each of these categories just
i guess so, i have a material for:
the body, the dress, the dress top, the eyelashes, the eyes, the flowers, the skirt, the hair, the head, the scalp, the teeth and the underwear

[drifting gull]

project location\projectname\Assets\VRCSDK\Examples2\Animation

[daring rose]

its really poorly optimised in that front. its giving me a Medium rank avatar overall but i wanna make it all one big thing ideally

the amount of materials is my only optimisation issue and i dont know how to combine them

[drifting gull]

Read up on making materials in unity, and using the CATS plugin to combine texture

[robust crescent]

Do you have the plugin cats ?, then make an atlas (it mashes all the textures into one pretty much) , very easy to use

https://github.com/GiveMeAllYourCats/cats-blender-plugin

[daring rose]

i do have the cats plugin, i'll download the atlas and material thing now

i havent done that yet

[robust crescent]

as for normals, you have to manually make that since it wont merge that, into pretty much the same atlas/texture it make then save it as another texture if you want to use it

[daring rose]

wait are you saying to make a normal map atlas too?

[robust crescent]

if you are using it, yeh

[daring rose]

oh i have to install the material combiner and this other thing

maaaaaan

oh i just have to click the button and restart blender, nice

[daring rose]

hello?

[formal temple]

For some reason my avatars thumb and index finger were swapped when I went to configure the humanoid rig in unity like this

So I fixed em and then enforced t-pose but now they are still weird just in a different way

Also all of the other fingers are clawing down for some reason lol, any ideas?

[daring rose]

zombie fingers

have no clue, sorry

[turbid spear]

Bones not reaching the end

Do you have more finger bones at the end

[daring rose]

can you manually change the angle of the PIPs?

[turbid spear]

Normally not a problem, but if those parts are not weighted or are weighted to different bones, could cause issues, but generally not

[formal temple]

Oh alright yeah I'll extend the fingers

[turbid spear]

Shouldn't be an issue unless the weights are weird tho

How long the bones are should only matter to bending, since they bend at the root of the bone

[formal temple]

The bones do have a really weird look

I got this model from a gmod extract so the rig is not exactly the finest work

[turbid spear]

looks like they all need to be rotated 90 degrees each

[glacial anvil]

is this a bug with unity? or have I not selected something properly here. I have added dynamic bones to the lower coat, and pressing play my model just flat out moves away from the bones as if they aren't connected. They work when uploaded to VRChat though, but it makes testing impossible if I can't get the Play button to work.

[turbid spear]

Was the model moved to the side when you added the bones

It looks like your body mesh is moved and not the armature itself

[glacial anvil]

no, that was just a quick demo I screenshotted just now

pressed play, selected the model and moved it to the side

I'll try that, sorry I'm still a bit new to model building so the little things are catching me off guard

[turbid spear]

When you click on your avatar it likely selects the body mesh

Click on the avatar in the hierarchy

[glacial anvil]

so I can move the model/armature perfect without being in play mode, once I select play mode, the bones just say "peace" and don't come along with the model

[turbid spear]

They should if you move the right thing

[glacial anvil]

moves fine without play mode, I've got to be messing up something simple

[turbid spear]

Why are you trying to move it

[glacial anvil]

to see how the dynamic bones move

[turbid spear]

Well, move it in play mode

In play mode dynamic bones tend to stay where they were

[glacial anvil]

see picture 1

[turbid spear]

But if you move whatever's they're parented to, they should move as well

[glacial anvil]

that's what I'm really confused about

I still have the whole model selected like in picture 2, but something weird happens once I press play

[turbid spear]

If you grab https://puu.sh/GdGSK/e4f67b5da1.png and move it all, they should move too

Otherwise, I'm really not sure

[glacial anvil]

yep that's what I have selected in both scenarios

really weird

[fading verge]

I completely fucked my avatar by streching the shoulders instead of arms lol

[turbid spear]

you can revert it to prefab

but you'll lose all other changes you made

[fading verge]

ik

im too lazy so i made a new project

[turbid spear]

which takes longer

[glacial anvil]

so another discovery, in play mode, object rotation ONLY works when the full model is selected, individual children objects stay in play when trying to drag/rotate them

nothing is set to static though, so I'm not sure what's going on

[turbid spear]

That's just because of dynamic bones

You can't move or rotate stuff because they overwrite the position

You can still do it with an animation ingame

[glacial anvil]

ok, I'll see if I can try that

[analog sparrow]

Has anyone made a model in blender and when it's in Vrc it doesn't bend over and I clips through the floors I've been working on this model for weeks and I can't figure this out

[crisp tendon]

Weeks ? What does the error look like

[analog sparrow]

So this is what it says

I can't really see anything that would be a issue. And It took weeks cuz I was learning while I was making it

[placid lagoon]

Having this issue with my model's legs when standing. Spent a long time in #avatars-2-general figuring out how to get the leg bones posed properly but it's still happening. I think it's an issue with the rig at this point.

[analog sparrow]

And what it's doing in game is it's a raising and lowering the model based on my head height

[placid lagoon]

Getting these issues. The one of note is the pelvis/thigh angle one, when clicked on it selects the foot bones

[lost narwhal]

@placid lagoon you dont have hand bones, give your model fake hand bones they dont need to be weighted

and also your hip and leg bones arent 180 degree, its not bad but might wanna fix that idk your choice

[analog sparrow]

on every blender model i go into the floor like this anyone know how to fix

[placid lagoon]

@lost narwhal When I click the "select" button next to that pelvis error it selects the feet as if it thinks those are the pelvis/thigh

@lost narwhal also the model does have hands. I think it's a rig issue

[dawn bridge]

I’m having texture problems. I created my avatar in vroid studios and converted it to mmd through blender but when I ported it to unity the textures won’t show in the assets and I can’t add them on. If anyone has a solution please help

[placid lagoon]

I'm also having VRoid related issues

You're trying the method I tried last night which involves running it through CATS in blender

to get your textures in you're gonna need UniVRM to import the vrm file VRoid gave you so you can have a textures folder

Then you manually apply them to the materials

[dawn bridge]

Ok I kinda understand. If i can’t get get it I’ll come back

[placid lagoon]

I abandoned that method because I couldn't get animations or anything working with it, but I may just be dumb lmao

[dawn bridge]

Yeah me too I guess lol

[placid lagoon]

The method I'm trying rn is a little more successful but I can't get my legs to stop acting wonky

[dawn bridge]

Try messing with the bones

[placid lagoon]

But animations, visemes, etc are working fine

I have the leg bones spot on to what they should be, I'm beginning to think it's some kind of rigging problem

[dawn bridge]

Yeah might be

[placid lagoon]

which most people suggest blender for, but I'm trying to do this in unity cause my method involved creating a unity prefab as opposed to an FBX

[dawn bridge]

Idk I’m fairly new so learning this has been “fun”

[placid lagoon]

I've done a lot of unity stuff in the past but it's been a couple years

I'm basically a noob again lmao

[dawn bridge]

Yea i guess.

[placid lagoon]

Creating this cool custom VRoid character had me all hyped to get into VRchat as myself

but these issues with the legs are making me very unenthused lmao

[turbid spear]

vroid isn't exactly vrchat friendly

maybe if vrchat starts supporting vrm format avatars

[placid lagoon]

I found it on the VRChat subreddit, saw someone saying it was a good tool for creating models and it really is, I've never used a 3d modeling program more intuitive

[dawn bridge]

Yeah

[placid lagoon]

like even I was able to make a great looking model

[dawn bridge]

Yeah same this is what mine is supposed to look like

[placid lagoon]

woops wrong file

[turbid spear]

I think you should just figure out the whole blender importing thing

Because the leg fix would take a few minutes

[placid lagoon]

Yeah that's probably what I need to do

[dawn bridge]

Yeah

[turbid spear]

Unity should only be used for animations and materials

As the final step

[placid lagoon]

Creating a new unity project and attempting to figure out the blender stuff again

I just need to figure out how to get it through CATS without breaking stuff

Cause last time I ended up with an FBX and was able to texture it and all but the blink animation was gone, visemes were missing, etc etc

[turbid spear]

Check import settings

Ask in the cats discord actually

I think you will have more luck there

[dawn bridge]

so do you need to import your character into unity to upload to vr chat?

[turbid spear]

I'm sure there's someone there who knows how to vroid

yes

[dawn bridge]

ok

[turbid spear]

check the vrchat documentation

[dawn bridge]

i Have an ideah to fix my textures. im gonna go back into blender and see if i downloaded it wrong

[turbid spear]

you'll need to setup your materials in unity again anyway

[dawn bridge]

yeah

[placid lagoon]

Got him in Blender

Gonna try to follow this tutorial again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGX3-a6OGc

Used the "Fix model button"

[fading verge]

If anyone can help me with blender on a 1-on-1 call w/ screenshare, add me and dm me.

[crisp tendon]

can't ask questions here instead ?

[fading verge]

I let cats do the fix model thing after I named Neck & head myself with a simple human meta rig

and have some cruddy bone errors in vrchat sdk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/739701829495029900/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/739698308808835182/unknown.png

[wheat tulip]

is incorrect

[fading verge]

@wheat tulip got it, thanks! It works.

[wheat tulip]

yeah the bones shouldnt connect like that

[fading verge]

didnt recognize the disgusting mess for some reason at first. Very new to rigging.

[wheat tulip]

should look a bit like this

i think ur shoulder bones arent connectdd

[fading verge]

its connected now since the emotes are playing, cant test in vr atm, lots of bones on that one, looks so hard to do the cloth stuff

[wheat tulip]

na its okay

[topaz sandal]

I'm doing blender stuff for the first time, I'm trying to change the parent of these bones and it's not changing anything

Select one, shift+select the desired parent, ctrl+p, nothing changes. Anyone have a solution?

Oh no i think i irreversably messed up this armature from the start, i'll just try it all again tomorrow

[grave crest]

Hey there! I'm trying to test my model's eye tracking using the blender Cats addon. It's acting a bit strange, though D: When I try to adjust any of the sliders it cancels out of the menu, or the "start eye testing" function isn't available at all

[crisp tendon]

@grave crest Are your eye bones completely straight up ?

[grave crest]

Tilted outwards a little by the looks of it!

[crisp tendon]

They need to be absolutely straight

[grave crest]

Oh! Good to know :D Okay.. this is a really silly question, but how can I align them to the axis?

[crisp tendon]

you can either snap the 3D cursor to the bone location and then scale on the top the axes, or you can snap the top of the bone to the 3D cursor (bottom of the bone) and move it up on Z axis

[copper juniper]

My mesh is not connected to the rig, yet still moves vertically when i look up or down and when i crouch. The effect is only visible locally but can i disable it somehow?

the rig is a basic humanoid rig

[turbid spear]

It's probably always affected by a root bone

Usually hips

And your armature still animates

[copper juniper]

so there is no way around it?

[turbid spear]

not sure

could weight it to something yourself

[crisp tendon]

thumb index middle

[hasty scarab]

Why when I adjust the position of the neck bone, does it completely mess up the jaw? (but only when I rig)

[astral warren]

if you are just doing invisible dummy bones, 1 bone of each thumb middle and index.
But if your fingers are meant to be visible, you need at least 2 bones in each finger so it knows which way to bend them, Otherwise the result will be very asymetrical.

[sleek isle]

Oh. That explan an issue I have in the past

Thumb was going in the wrong direction on one of the hands

[elfin flare]

Hey, y'all

This should be a really quick fix

In Unity

How do I move the Right Knee to be the first child of Right Leg, etc...?

I'm pretty sure it was just like 2 keys or something

[mint sierra]

you right click the avatar in the hierarchy and unpack it @elfin flare

[elfin flare]

Already done

[mint sierra]

now try to move it under right leg

[elfin flare]

Tried. It just drops it at the bottom of the list

It's literally being organized in the system alphabetically.

[mint sierra]

under it not on it

[elfin flare]

THANK YOU

Lmao

[mint sierra]

Np xD

[elfin flare]

You've made me a happy man. I greatly appreciate it.

[safe slate]

Anyone know how to fix VRM avatar upload from crossing it's knees in game?

[misty ravine]

Sorry to message over you Belial, however I need to know, does the walking animation auto generate or do I have to animate one myself for my custom avatar

[crisp tendon]

@safe slate Make sure there is a slight bent to the knees in blender

@misty ravine it's auto generated as long as it's humanoid

[misty ravine]

So this should work?

[surreal orbit]

I tend to have a bone for the knee, instead of it just being thigh->shin

[crisp tendon]

Unity doesn't really like that

@misty ravine Hard to say without seeing the armature

[misty ravine]

I'm in bed right now so I cant provide a picture but I think itll be fine, the armature is pretty standard stuff

[balmy solstice]

Question

Have you heard of a model having mesh vanish as you try to clear bone roll?

[crisp tendon]

Nope, but you can apply all transforms to everything in object mode first to see if that fixes it

[silver bobcat]

hey

@fringe citrus please can send screenshot for correct fullbody bone show.

i can't find that and pinned there no.
this https://i.imgur.com/epL1niV.png

[fringe citrus]

@silver bobcat This was my rig around the time of the tutorial. I've made slight adjustments since then but now my rig is cluttered with bones for constraints. This incorporates all the rig hacks though, and for upcoming AV3 there well be other ways to address some of those issues. So I'd say only apply a rig hack if you directly see the issue without it and want a fix. If you don't have the issue don't take it as "correct" to use a rig hack.

Anyway, I think this is what you're looking for:

[silver bobcat]

Okay sir. Thanks!

[hoary mulch]

Hi! What do i need to do if i want to do custom rigged animations?? I cannot find any ways beside using muscle animator, or animation the bare bones without a rig. Is it even possible?

[turbid spear]

do them in blender or something

[hoary mulch]

yes, but using a full rig doesnt have the Vrchat rig hirarchy so it breaks

[turbid spear]

if you have all the bones for a humanoid animation you can just assign them in unity in the rig config

and it should work

[hoary mulch]

Basically everything works exept the reverse ik, for the feet and column, because those setups change the hierarchy it breaks i have tried

[rose mountain]

@fringe citrus any rig hack for the spine/chest from doing a 180 when headset and controllers are facing negative on the Z axis?

Basically when I do a hand/head stand my rig does this.

any hacks to fix it?

[astral warren]

Hacks are generally not recommended since updates will break them.. but you could add a twist bone

[rose mountain]

Twist bone??

Do you have an example or somewhere I can find more info???

[astral warren]

Yeah, it’s basically a double bone on the rig and you add a rotation constraint to it so it only copies half the rotation. Then you weight the model on a gradient to smooth out the twist. There is a guide specifically for VRChat you google like VRChat Twist Bone guide or something

It is a “rig hack” as far as full body goes though so updates may break i

[rose mountain]

I am reading this...
https://vrcat.club/threads/tutorial-guide-twist-bones-what-are-they-and-how-do-you-use-them.3622/
But I would still value input from @fringe citrus on my specific issue.

[astral warren]

That’s the one

[rose mountain]

Couldn't I just add a "Rotation Constraint". to the affected part in my back in Unity? None of my other bones need a twist bone. It's either my chest bone or spine that is doing a 180.

Leaning towards trying it on my chest bone 🤔

[astral warren]

I have no idea if they work well without editing weights in blender

[sleek isle]

You cant be upside down in vrchat. Ik get funky

[astral warren]

I’ve seen it work a lot!

[ornate coral]

Does VRC make use of Knee armature, or should I convert this to use upper/lower leg?

[crisp tendon]

It might work as constraints, but that depends of their original purpose

[ornate coral]

It's a humanoid, normal legs.
Don't know when they got in my model, but CATS was apparently okay with it

[astral warren]

Knee bones work good as bendy bones (similar concept to twist bones, similar setup)

However I am not sure if VRChat can deal with them

[ornate coral]

Welp, it doesn't lol

It animates properly, but the bottom of my upper leg was where my floor was

On that note, how do I even fix that?

[astral warren]

You’ll need to reparent the lower leg to the upper leg and leave the knee patented to upper leg as well. Then add a rotation constraint to the knee and make it follow the lower leg with 50% weight

The result is the knee will always be an in-between angle

[ornate coral]

Awesome, thanks. That sounds a lot easier than what I was about to do

[ornate coral]

On second inspection of my armature, the knees do work properly, it was a misparented bone on my boots that was causing issue. On a side note, my whole lower leg is called knee. Don't know if that's normal, but it's been working so far

[fringe citrus]

@rose mountain I've tried a bunch of stuff to address that, even going as far as making a ghost-rig for the upper body with constraints. It sort of worked but the head gets rotated in the live build. In open beta right now head consistency is much better so the head doesn't reverse any more. So it might be possible to solve with constraints, but it's kind of a big can of worms. In any case I would wait until the current open beta if finalized/released before trying to come up with a work around

for reference my attempt looked like this:

without constraints it looked like this:

So yeah, now that the head-spinning seems to not happen on open beta I might give it another try (if there doesn't end up being further improvement to IK before open beta releases)

(open beta for reference:)

that's without constraints, I didn't try my constraints avatar again yet

[vivid temple]

How tf do you setup eye movements without cats

is it just weighting the eyes to a bone in the middle of it?

[vivid temple]

got it (I fucking hope)

[silver bobcat]

@fringe citrus this still correct yes? https://i.imgur.com/HtHvUrK.png

[sleek isle]

FBT armature

[fringe citrus]

@silver bobcat It's correct if you want to reduce shoulder flop. But when the next update comes out I think fewer people will have floppy shoulders (I noticed mine were less floppy) And also there's a new way to do full body calibration that will lock the HMD to the viewball's height so you can't have a separate rotation point (view ball) and view height (hmd after advanced settings playspace adjust)

You can switch back to the old mode of full body calibration with a command line argument when starting VRChat, but if you're using the new system then you won't want to do the view ball trick for shoulder flop

[sleek isle]

why not having that option in the setting. It's not ideal to have to dig into folder like the dynamic bone limiter.

[silver bobcat]

ah ok

[fringe citrus]

@sleek isle Yeah that would be nice but I think it's because they're in the middle of a UI overhaul so it's pretty unlikely that we'd get new buttons and stuff in the old/current UI

[sleek isle]

For now I think its not a big deal. I think in general fbt people know that kind of stuff

[fringe citrus]

Yeah I'm just happy that the legacy option made it in as a command rather than not have it because of UI work timing

[astral warren]

is it just weighting the eyes to a bone in the middle of it?
@vivid temple yes. And also remove the head weights from them.

The bone should be positioned at the point you want the eye to rotate around, so if it’s a flat iris, move the bone back a little. If its a ball, center of the ball.

[vivid temple]

Yeah I did that

Now I'm combining 10 textures into 1 manually

It's painful

[astral warren]

Yeah that’s when you want macros. Don’t reinvent the wheel here

No shame in cats macros to save a couple hours of clicking

If you want to do it truely manually you can try UV baking then you don’t end up with a grid of textures, and still don’t have to join them manually

Lining them all up in a grid is just doing it the cats way without the speed

[solid forum]

Not done an avatar in a hot minute, anyone know why the bones arn't moving when i play a scene and wiggle the avatar around?

the bone connects to the back of the bandana which in blender is all weight painted to the bone

[robust crescent]

Need 2 bones, or it doesnt do a thing, you can set up a fake one

[solid forum]

oh, so i'll make a dummy root bone?

which is just not weighted to anything

[robust crescent]

add a End lenght in dynamic bone

[vivid temple]

Couldn't use cats or mat combiner 'cause it just wouldn't work with the avatar I used it on.

Manually was kinda faster than I thought too

[solid forum]

Thanks Thulen, worked perfectly 👌

[hasty scarab]

When I export my textures from substance painter, it keeps the paint layer but for some reason seems to remove the smart material I layered onto it
for example,

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727571438873083994/740680611584278680/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727571438873083994/740680679502905411/unknown.png

[crisp tendon]

normal map ?

[hasty scarab]

the normal maps are fine

[crisp tendon]

where are they in the second image

[hasty scarab]

the second image is from unity

[crisp tendon]

and that's with normal maps ?

[hasty scarab]

hmm.. im pretty sure

is there a way to enable/disable normal maps in unity or are they automatically enabled?

sry noob question

I figured out you can select noraml maps x3

and there was no map selected

[crisp tendon]

Depends on your shader then

[formal temple]

I imported this SFM and it came out like this, is there any easy fix for fixing this rig other than manual moving of the bones?

[crisp tendon]

Fbx has import options for bones

[formal temple]

Import options?

I don't know what that means

[tepid spade]

or you can use cats

(if it is a humanoid avatar)

[mint sierra]

Yeah just use cats

[manic marsh]

@formal temple oh i see someone else making ion 👀

if you need one already fixed hit me up

[formal temple]

@manic marsh Please ;-;

Only reason I'm doing this is cause I found one that used cameras in the cockpit and its mega gross so I'm trying to make one like the system the Ogre uses in VRchat instead

[manic marsh]

im avoiding cameras all together on mine since other players wont see them

[formal temple]

Ye they are ugly

[manic marsh]

you will notice that the one i sent you is separated into parts weirdly, that is to allow disabling the front of the cabin so that players inside can see unobstructed

[lost narwhal]

@manic marsh if you make the front cull only the front side, people inside should be able to see the outside without cams, right? btw can I have that aswell? ^^

[manic marsh]

that is what i do, but there are parts that still can be seen if i do not disable the cabin front entirely

also lets move this to #avatars-2-general since its no longer rigging related

[nimble aspen]

If Final IK doesn't work except locally any more, how are people still making new avatars like the crab that shoots laser beams from its eyes? I mean even if they could upload it with an older SDK, I thought the issue was the network IK doesn't transmit the right packets to make it work, so all the IK avatars should have broken, and some did apparently, but not all?

[turbid spear]

avatar 3.0 likely coming this week

probably unnecessary to use final ik anymore?

[manic marsh]

😠

i am extremely offended by that pumkin

[sleek isle]

How to do spider in 3.0

Then

[manic marsh]

so a couple of things about the ik, it does work for other player but only if it is not on the avatar armature, this can be achieved using parent constrains, second is that av3 actually broke ik even more because some values changed in the execution order apparently, so av2 is where the spider is at

[fervent hornet]

I get a good laugh anytime someone thinks Final IK is redundant after an update lmao

@manic marsh You can't avoid it, any avatar in the AV3 update has its values changed, even if its an AV2 avatar

[manic marsh]

yeah, by av2 and 3 i was referring to build not the version which the avatar was made for, just bad wording

[fervent hornet]

Ah alright, regardless the only thing that will invalidate Final IK for VRC is when they black list it

Or maybe that new IK stuff for unity 2019. havent looked into it much

[manic marsh]

dont give them ideas please

[fervent hornet]

They cant remove FIK until they make their own system since they use FIK for normal VR users

Thats the only reason we can use it, since they need it

[manic marsh]

Really hope that the unity implementation will be better than fik

[fervent hornet]

I think the only thing is it wont have something like VRIK that does locomotion for you, but I'm not going to spend the time to look into it since we dont even know if we'll get it

Probably will for VRC but it would only be in 2019 LTS or something

[fathom geyser]

why does my avatar do this?

[tepid spade]

probably bc the finger's bones were not well placed

like this

and the hand could be deformed in blender like this one

[cobalt bronze]

I was working on my model and i noticed that my right shoulder was missing under the Vertex groups. Even though the bone exists under the armature, it doesn't seem to have any weight. I tried adding the vertex group named exactly like the bone manually, but it didn't seem to be parented to it. Does anyone know how i can fix this?

[crisp tendon]

If your model is symmetrical, you can copy this vertex group and use the mirror vertex group option on it

[cobalt bronze]

Right, so how do i copy + mirror a vertex group?

[turbid spear]

Everything is in this menu https://puu.sh/Gf6V3/22a2a43dcb.png

[cobalt bronze]

Right, i think i figured it out. Mirroring the vertex group did most of the work, thanks.

[ashen aurora]

I'm looking for someone to rig an avatar that i made in blender. I've been struggling with the rigging for about five days and pulling my hair out trying to understand outdated tutorial videos. Please help 😫

[crisp tendon]

5 days ?

You tried mixamo yet ?

[ashen aurora]

no I've never heard of mixamo

will it rig up the cable like a tail?

[crisp tendon]

nope, that needs to be done manually

but if the bones exist then all you need to do is auto weight paint

[ashen aurora]

to be honest I'm not good at doing this stuff. can i have someone do it for me, I'll pay for the time.

[ashen aurora]

okay i tried mixamo and it gave me this error

[crisp tendon]

isn't it facing the wrong way ?

[ashen aurora]

no its facing the correct way

[crisp tendon]

it seems different from your image above

i think it's facing the back

since the cable is showing in front of the hips

[ashen aurora]

no because the shirt pocket is showing in the front. this is how it looks as an .obj file

this is a side view

[tepid spade]

is this kinda of rig looks good ?

its the first time that cats created me toes rigs

[turbid spear]

looks fine

[tepid spade]

ok thx

[mental hamlet]

heey is there a good way in blender to make my front hair not clip into my chest area?

[turbid spear]

pose mode your armature shift select hair and weight paint mode, then you can ctrl+select a bone and R to rotate

rotate into a position where it clips, then weight paint it so it doesn't clip anymore

[mental hamlet]

it's basically when i run forward both of the strands just "disappear" into my body

[fresh island]

anyone have insight as to why my avatar's arms might be persistently bent? I'm a rather tall user and I had to adjust the height quite a bit over my actual height to fix the leg stretching issue but I can't seem to fix this and have my arms straighten properly at the same time.

[crisp tendon]

Incorrect proportions do that

[fresh island]

This is also happening to a varying degree on other avatars

bone proportions or limb proportions?

[crisp tendon]

well, they're kinda often related

but bone is the one that matters

[fresh island]

if the actual avatar has to have exactly my proportions that's...not a great limitation.

is there a reference anywhere for what bone proportions matter most for this?

[crisp tendon]

i believe that's hips/head length and arm span length

[fresh island]

ahh

the length of the head bone itself?

I'm trying to figure out what I can fudge here to not have to break my models

[crisp tendon]

no, the inbetween

[fresh island]

ahhh the hip/head distance

[grave crest]

Howdy! What's the best way to rig these legs to ensure I don't run into issues with stuff like the walking animation, etc?

[crisp tendon]

shin shouldn't exist

you can move the foot bone down a bit from the top

it might be weird though, but i've seen a lot of anthro models with this setup and it seemed fine for all

i'd suggest trying like that first

[grave crest]

Okay, sweet! So just empty space in the shin bit essentially?