#avatar-rigging | VRChat | Page 110

final totem Apr 12, 2018, 11:08 PM

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@pallid tree like teh bucket said. the head and the tail are right on top of each other so rig the spine correctly by positioning it appropriately

gritty nest Apr 12, 2018, 11:23 PM

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@pallid tree it's CATS

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The newest update broke Fix Model for a whole bunch of models

pallid tree Apr 12, 2018, 11:24 PM

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As I figured.

gritty nest Apr 12, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Go back a version

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They're releasing a hotfix tomorrow which will allow you to use the old Fix Model (which is probably superior if you don't do full body)

viral stag Apr 13, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Oof

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Weight painting just keeps making me crash while I'm attempting to learn how to use it, lol

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 1:56 AM

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ertpsdk;lfk0gdfg

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can i just make all my weights red

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@novel palm

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i can still bend my arms and legs if my weights are all red right?

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:04 AM

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@fading verge It is still possible to bend your arms and legs if your weights are all red, but I can tell you now it isn't optimal. You can do it, though.

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:06 AM

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oh

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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I can show you an example of what I'd do with a model, but I can tell you now I don't know how to weight things myself

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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what is the most basic and easiest method for weight painting

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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At least, from scratch

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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core is heaviest

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limbs are 0

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?

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Zero weight just means that it doesn't move with that bone.

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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oh

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:08 AM

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If you want something to be very solid on the arm, apply the weight as the heaviest

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:08 AM

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no wonder my stuff was all glitching

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my hair was falling off

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my face was falling off

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my limbs were glitching out

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Yea, zero weight will do that to you

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:08 AM

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lol

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Just paint it to the arm and it'll be alright

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Or rather

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Paint it to what you want it to

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:09 AM

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should i just paint everyting 1 colour

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Again, not optimal but if you want to try that and experiment later, sure

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:09 AM

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well

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tell me, what is the ideal weight painting for a humanoid

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?

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limbs, head, body, etc

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:10 AM

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Well you'll need multiple vertex groups assigned to each bone. You have that sorted out, correct?

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:10 AM

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uh

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no idea

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my bones and limbs work properly when the mesh is joined

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i tested each bone

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Okay, it works then

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But I can tell you it's easier to weight paint when there are multiple vertex groups

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:11 AM

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limbs are all seperate

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Are you trying to paint the whole model as one?

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Ah okay

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:11 AM

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i just want my humanoid model to not glitch out

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what is the easiest way

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as long as it isnt glitching out and my hands are working properly

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and hair isnt falling off

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Well an easy way is to rotate the model's pose in Blender to see what vertexes need to be weight painted and apply it from there

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:13 AM

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what do you mean

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if i have it at 0 unity bugs out

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eveyrthing is at 0 blue

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:14 AM

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I was gonna post an image here as an example but I don't really like to upload screenshots online

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:14 AM

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ok

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:15 AM

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I was gonna show you how Trainer Red was painted

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:15 AM

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but can i have a normally functioning humanoid avatar if i paint it all 1 colour?

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:15 AM

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In theory, yes.

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:15 AM

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what are the downsides of having only 1 weight?

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:15 AM

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I'm just saying it isn't "optimal"

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One downside is everything will look stiff as a board.

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:16 AM

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oh

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:16 AM

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No, your model won't stay in a T-Pose

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:16 AM

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asdhakdhakdasdas

warm coral Apr 13, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Well it will in Unity

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But it won't walk around like a Generic rig.

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Is what I mean

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So when you put it in VRChat, it'll try to move around like a human

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Honestly I've never tried a 1.0 weight on every vertice on any of my models because they're always already rigged.

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Well anyway, I gotta head off. Hope to see you in VRChat someday.

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 2:18 AM

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ok

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thanks

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ok

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so from what i see from some charts

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joints are blue

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nonmoveable areas are red

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hands are blue?

random lotus Apr 13, 2018, 2:36 AM

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ok so i tried to fix my guys weights on his leg because it moves some of the jacket and when i did this happened

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https://image.prntscr.com/image/4cVbXPBtR8_DcM4F-nXqgQ.png

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i figured it out

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it had something to do with auto-normalize

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 3:22 AM

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hey guys

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if my model moves properly in pose mode it means my weights are fine correct

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?

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 3:58 AM

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anyone know how to fix my T-pose? my fingers have done a 180

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 4:05 AM

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enforce t pose doesnt work?

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 4:06 AM

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thats how there not in a T pose

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 5:54 AM

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asdaskdhaskdjasldjl;sdmas

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i just got that spine problem

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omfg

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ive been trying to get this thing to work for 12+ hours

tall dagger Apr 13, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Can someone help me with this? How do I fix this to not tear apart and just stretch instead? (kinda new to all this) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174444576071745536/434229926082904065/unknown.png

fading verge Apr 13, 2018, 5:55 AM

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im getting piossed

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im so mad

calm needle Apr 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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@tall dagger when it is not posed, is it still properly lined up?

tall dagger Apr 13, 2018, 6:05 AM

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@calm needle yes, it lines up fine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174444576071745536/434232417872642048/unknown.png

calm needle Apr 13, 2018, 6:05 AM

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try removing doubles

tall dagger Apr 13, 2018, 6:09 AM

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mm yes, that helped. Thank you! 😃
( https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174444576071745536/434233356394430474/unknown.png )

calm needle Apr 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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teaking the weight paint from there will smothing things out slightly

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:55 AM

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now i wonder what finger tips are and are not in the t pose http://prntscr.com/j4nera

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tall dagger Apr 13, 2018, 8:46 AM

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How do I attach bones to one another? I have this 2 hip bones somehow unattached (Spine4.001) and I want to attach it to spine (Spine4) but when I just set Spine4 as parent and connect, the Spine4.001 just attaches to its upper part.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174444576071745536/434272182663643136/unknown.png

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How do I fix this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174444576071745536/434273022426480640/unknown.png

south bear Apr 13, 2018, 2:45 PM

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just wondering how do i fix the bones shrinking vertices when rotating https://puu.sh/A2jV2/557bd0042a.gif

tall dagger Apr 13, 2018, 2:49 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430464553151758346/434359068279439371/unknown.png
How does one make a bone like that (or combine bones into this)?

tall dagger Apr 13, 2018, 3:49 PM

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nvm got it

viral stag Apr 13, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Blah, I hate how there's only clipping when I go into VR, just why

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What's t he deal with that

frigid rain Apr 13, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Lol beats me

calm needle Apr 13, 2018, 4:26 PM

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what part is clipping?

viral stag Apr 13, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Like

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Ok one sec

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https://i.imgur.com/xhuIdgn.png

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The clavicle starts poking out when I'm in VR

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But it's normal in desktop @-@

naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 4:56 PM

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best way to fix that up is to merge skin with the sweater

viral stag Apr 13, 2018, 4:57 PM

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hhh yeah

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guess i'll do that

naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 4:58 PM

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then anything outside of red line can be deleted http://prntscr.com/j4v4mv

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and no clipping

viral stag Apr 13, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Yeah, I just cleaned up the edge and I'm gonna test that before merging vertices

opal dew Apr 13, 2018, 5:22 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420183681798242304/434402785438728192/unknown.png help

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the thumb not attached to mesh fully

opal dew Apr 13, 2018, 5:42 PM

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sorry palm hand fully red on bone hand, ... all clear now

opal dew Apr 13, 2018, 6:17 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420183681798242304/434416712536948736/unknown.png @fading verge help

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i dont remember which weight

raven reef Apr 13, 2018, 6:46 PM

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ehmm short question, my avatar has his knees going above the hip bone, when that happens the legs start behaving weird, is there some way to constraint this?

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more specificly is there a way to constrain the bones to not go/bend above a certain angle?

limpid kettle Apr 13, 2018, 7:03 PM

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umm.... how do i fix this http://prntscr.com/j4wumv

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i mean this is how it looks like so far

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http://prntscr.com/j4wvhz

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...

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D E A D C H A T

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:23 PM

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its not dead its jsut people got other things to do then help the noobs

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speaking of help

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http://prntscr.com/j4x4nl i require assistance attaching these bones and getting the switch head to be my head

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naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 7:25 PM

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if they all are head bones, then parent all of them to new head bone

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and hit mix weight on each of them

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join meshes, then armatures

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then change parent > mix weight, do tghat till u have just 1 head bone left

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if any of those = neck, then change parent of that to the neck u want to stay

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and mix weight too

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:29 PM

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im going to need a more basic guide for the bones

naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 7:30 PM

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that';s as basic as i can go

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sorry

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:30 PM

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i see

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down to my own stubberness to work it out

naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 7:31 PM

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u can check #tutorials ,first 2 videos are about transplanting

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mix weight is basically transfering all weight to parent and then deleting the bone

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:32 PM

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its the starting part i havent got down

naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 7:33 PM

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if armatures are joined, select armature> enter edit mode, select head bone of the older ones>go to bone tab, change parent to the head u want to keep

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hit mix weight in cats plugin

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:34 PM

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http://prntscr.com/j4x9he

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naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 7:35 PM

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need to parent just head of the switch

raven reef Apr 13, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Back to what happened to me, what I did was normalize the bone lengths, aka both leg bones should be around the same length.

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now it works a lot better

naive tree Apr 13, 2018, 7:35 PM

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then all buttons will be parented to the new head after mix weight

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 7:54 PM

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STUPID ARMATCHURE NOT MERGING

robust gull Apr 13, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Anyone know a site where i can edit a sound need to give it an delay, can't find a way to do it in unity

feral moss Apr 13, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I'm still kind of new at this and working in MAX. How do I fade this out? https://imgur.com/tYdTcPO

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ionic sail Apr 13, 2018, 8:55 PM

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hey do any of you guys know how to make an avatar with lip sync with bones? i found a couple of models that have several bones around the mouth and i was wondering how to do it with the shape keys

patent edge Apr 13, 2018, 9:22 PM

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well... the bones dont matter anyway

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one can just instead turn off the jaw bone in unity

wooden elbow Apr 14, 2018, 12:50 AM

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@feral moss Usually, what I do is turn the weight paint strength down to lower numbers and paint over the areas you need to tone down to "erase" them.

feral moss Apr 14, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Turns out you can enter negative numbers. But it buggy

smoky wharf Apr 14, 2018, 2:45 AM

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so who here can help me figure out how to rig this in unity. I'm confused which bones would go where. trying to make this a humanoid character if possible, though if it's not possible, i just want it to walk decently. worst case scenario, i change it to not have weird legs, and instead just make it normal legs.

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https://imgur.com/a/6bUJX

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heavy pasture Apr 14, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Someone else might have a better solution but why not shortcut the shins and have one bone from the knee to the foot and see how that looks.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 3:26 AM

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anyone know where i can get the pokemon 3d model animations?

formal thistle Apr 14, 2018, 3:49 AM

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@ionic sail I may be late on the response but you can use pose mode with Cats on blender, and pose the bones how you want then click something like "Pose to shape key" which is also in the cats menu.

limpid kettle Apr 14, 2018, 4:24 AM

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how do i fix this? http://prntscr.com/j52egx

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when i uploaded the avatar. the viewpoint is forced to be on his crotch for some reason, and my entire body is twisted.

naive tree Apr 14, 2018, 4:31 AM

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@limpid kettle drag lower arm above the whatever bones so it's the very first http://prntscr.com/j52fwc

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same for lower leg

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main bones first then everything else under them

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like in my screen you'd have 2 bones that are parented to leg and knee is not #1, it's #2

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and u drag it above the current #1

limpid kettle Apr 14, 2018, 4:33 AM

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this is how it looks like currently http://prntscr.com/j52g8u

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naive tree Apr 14, 2018, 4:33 AM

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in hierarchy

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when u expand bones

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not in rig

limpid kettle Apr 14, 2018, 4:33 AM

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oh.

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roblox_death.mp3

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http://prntscr.com/j52gfw

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fickle pollen Apr 14, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Do bones matter for anything? I was thinking of just using a metarig and i'm not sure if all of them are necessary for a humanoid model to work.

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I have a nonhuman avatar but want hands and stuff to work

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 6:19 AM

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i'm pretty sure you need to have a humanoid rig to control the hands and head tracking and also use hand gesture

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 9:08 AM

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So I was going about weight painting

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And was met with my material being... invisible on one side?

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So I cant even see weight painting

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And everything is double-sided

light kindle Apr 14, 2018, 11:19 AM

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just flip the normals

sinful sundial Apr 14, 2018, 1:41 PM

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hey guys a question about automatic weights

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I just made finger bones for my character

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he's already got the other bones set and weighted

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can I actually parent with automatic weights and still keep the old weights?

midnight pike Apr 14, 2018, 5:14 PM

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https://imgur.com/iCf6B0B

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How can I fix this I added colliders

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Hey

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Did some rigging in Mixamo for my avatar, and most everything seems to check out save for an exporting warning.

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I'm in the Unity Stage right now by the way.

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The warning is 'Your rig has the UPPERCHEST mapped in the humanoid rig'

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Anyone know how to make it go away?

shadow shoal Apr 14, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Remove upperchest in humanoid rig, or set upper chest as chest

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Gotcha, thanks

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

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still having that same problem where only blinking shows up in my idle animation. I cant tell if its not working or if the mirror just isnt showing it. I hate that we cant trust the mirrors.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 7:47 PM

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anybody use rigify to make base armatures? I just want to know if bone layers cause problems in vrchat

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@cosmic mica are you using cats eye tracking set up or did you manually rig?

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 7:48 PM

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there is no eyetracking. the idle animation is blinking (bone rig for the eyelids) ear twitch, and tail sway. only the eye blink is showing up, which is weird cause its rigged the same way the ears and the tail are.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 7:49 PM

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you have all of those things on the same animation timeline?

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 7:49 PM

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on my vrchat avatar menu it IS doing the full idle animations, but its not showing up in the mirror, so again i dont know if its not working or if its not shoing up in the mirror

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 7:49 PM

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did you ask anybody if they could see it? I usually have others tell me if my stuff is jacked

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

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no one i know is online and so far passerbys have been too distracted to give me a full sentenced answer

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guess i gotta wait

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

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is your vrchat the same as discord?

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

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aye

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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request sent

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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k

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i just uploaded a different approach avatar so imma test that out now

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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join on me and go to the mirror

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and ignore my jacked up avatar

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kek

cosmic mica Apr 14, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Oops

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 8:17 PM

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no worries im working on a model right now so im not in game

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@cosmic mica @ me if you want me to check your animations

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 8:58 PM

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any easy way to move bones?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:09 PM

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like the whole amarture or just a bone

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:11 PM

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just a bone
need to move the eye bones back into his eyes

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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select the middle of the bone and use G

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S R G

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learn them

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love them

neat furnace Apr 14, 2018, 9:15 PM

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how do i make weapons show up when i do a finger gun

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:32 PM

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is it fine i cant see alot of the bones now
like they are there just not rendering in object mode

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:32 PM

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turn on xray

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:33 PM

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in the tab on armachure?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Properties panel / Armature Tab

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:34 PM

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it is on

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:34 PM

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select all and press alt H. maybe some are hidden

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:35 PM

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http://prntscr.com/j5byb8

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fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:35 PM

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yeah looks like you hid everything else

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:36 PM

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thats what it looked like after doing that

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:36 PM

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check the outliner and see if your bones are still there

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if so they are hidden

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the little eye icon will be grey

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:37 PM

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they show up fine in edit mode

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:37 PM

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are you in pose mode

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:37 PM

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so thats where there being hidden

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:37 PM

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yeah but u can do alt+H and unhide everything in the viewport

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:38 PM

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ty

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:39 PM

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select bone and press Shift H

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https://snag.gy/79zbdL.jpg

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Hides all about that bone

sturdy geyser Apr 14, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Could someone help me? I know how to fix the fingers but I can't seem to move them the right way

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Press Alt+H

sturdy geyser Apr 14, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I try to turn the fingers into the right spots but they're so difficult to see

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:39 PM

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https://snag.gy/XiO2pR.jpg

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Unhides all

sturdy geyser Apr 14, 2018, 9:39 PM

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?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:40 PM

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use quad view

sturdy geyser Apr 14, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I don't know what you mean

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I'm in unity

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:40 PM

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dont rig in unity

sturdy geyser Apr 14, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I need my fingers in the right place thats all

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Can I screen share with you?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:41 PM

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just post a screen shot cuz im busy atm

sturdy geyser Apr 14, 2018, 9:41 PM

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That won't fix anything

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You'll just tell me that I need to click this and that and mix and match

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Unhelpful

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Anyone else

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I'm stuck here

patent edge Apr 14, 2018, 9:45 PM

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are your fingers also doing a 180

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it would be nice if in unity you could do something like "set default position" whitch would set its 0 point in that position

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 9:49 PM

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its because the bones are rolled the wrong way most likely

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heko oks

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help pls

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why is my right leg binded to my right arm but the weights are correct and armature is correct

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my left side is fine tho

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its possible it has something to do with the vertex group?

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how do i remove the right arm vertex group from the right leg vertex group

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only part of the right arm is linked

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select right leg parent bone go to bone properties and change parent to hips

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https://imgur.com/a/xFPFq

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you have a red zone in the leg

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erase the weight paint

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its fine tho

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im talking about the arm

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see the arm

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when i move the leg

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the arm gets messed up

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oh its part of the vertex group

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yea

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for some reason

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how do i remove the upper section of the arm

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from the leg vertex

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select the arm mesh and remove it from the vertex group in the properties panel

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should solve the issue

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ok

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https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/modeling/meshes/properties/vertex_groups/assigning_vertex_group.html

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hm

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its not working

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deselect everything

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go to vertex groups. select one at a time until you find the one that has both the leg and arm in it

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yeah i know

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i selected the vertices

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and clicked remove

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do it the other way from properties

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so u know you're on the right group

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because if u removed the arm from a vertex group it wasnt on in the first place, nothing will change

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yeah my vertex groups are broken

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easy to fix man

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You can wipe them all and remake them from the bones alone

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automatically, but you'll have to touch up every weight paint

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This is the reason I'm manually rigging my avatars from here on out

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so just throw a basic human rig into it and resize

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?

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u dont need to change the rig

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just blow out the vertex groups

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yeah the mmd vertex groups are a mess

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so many groups

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all i need is the limbs and body thats it

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if u dont want the dresses and hair to move thats fine

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probably leave the hands alone

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https://snag.gy/fwKXJa.jpg

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Hand crafted Armature

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100%

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why not just spawn a basic armature

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because I'm OCD

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lol

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and i want the least amount of bones possible to get the job done

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u should've seen the armature on her when i imported her. Made me cringe

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lol this model has a cameltoe

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XD

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i should fix that

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lol

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Moose Knuckle

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hahaha

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how do i mirror vertice selection

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?

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Can someone help me with learning the hot keys to add bones in manually

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you copying>/

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I wanna make my own from scratch but I forgot the commands

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i need to select the right leg symmetrically

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i guess on the x axis

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and assign the vertex group

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shift ctrl m

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or use the select menu

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doesnt work

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im in edit mode

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werks 4 meeeeee

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use the select menu that works too

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asjdgaskdkadha

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u can use a modifier too

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the limbs are all on the same mesh

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wtf

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makes everything u select merror

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you mean vertex group

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no

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the mesh

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well yeah the body is one big mesh lol

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https://imgur.com/a/puhuF

Imgur

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no

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the limbs and neck

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are on their own object

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i should probably seperate them right

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or merge everything

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yes but my vertex groups are messed up

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if your meshes are unjoined join them back before doing any vertex assigment

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if you're using cats

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i have to assign the right

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leg

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what im saying is it looks like you seperated meshes by materials in cats

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put them back together

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i did

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then do this shit

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o

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otherwise its gonna be a milk chocolatey cluster fuck

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ok

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full of peanuts and fuck

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yeah

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but i cant do it now

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because i cant hide the clothing

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thats why i had to seperate

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now i cannot change the vertex groups

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because now im selecting the entire mesh

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and i cannot hide the clothing

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u need to put the clothing in on the shoulder

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its gonna look weird if you dont

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?

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everything up to the ball of that bone needs to be on that vertex group

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but u shouldn't be doing that manually

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https://imgur.com/a/M0mAE

Imgur

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did you erase all of your vertex groups

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no

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should i

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?

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SAVE your model as a copy now so you dont lose her

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i just need to fix the leg

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i dont think i should erase all the groups just for 1 vertex

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did you find the vertex group that selected both the leg and the arm

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yes

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ok select the whole group

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and highlight the vertex group in the properties panel

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now press c and select all of the arm. you can over select it doesnt matter

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then press remove on that vertex group

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problem solved

calm cradle Apr 14, 2018, 10:22 PM

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What's the best way to fix the 'bone length of zero' error?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:23 PM

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delete the bone that's causing the issue

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asmndhbaskdhaskjdhasklhasd

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i cant hide the skirt

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omfg

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my vertex group is broken in merged mesh mode

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why are you hiding the skirt

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i cant select the vertex group in full meshmpode

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dude

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because there are groups on top of it

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u dont do it in the viewport

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and i cant select the vertices with all the clothing in the way

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you select the group in the properties panel

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and it selects the verticies for you

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i did it

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sec

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rip

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my right leg

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is apparently

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3/4 of the body

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wtf

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https://imgur.com/a/J6Zd7

Imgur

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https://snag.gy/D57CIx.jpg

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so my guess is this is what it looks like when you select your leg

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you got two parts and one part shouldn't be there

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i have 3/4 of the body as the right leg lol

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ok so u hit that select button i highlighted and thats what you see

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then you deselect everything and use C to select the arm

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i posted the picture

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ewww

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yeah i gotta merg the cameltoe

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just remove all of it and reselect the leg and assign

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lol

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much faster

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ok its fixed

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ty

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it doesnt have to be a perfect selction

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rght?

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tbh i'd select the left leg and mirror that selection then assign to right leg

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way faster

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vertex group --> left leg --> select --> ctrl shift M --> vertex group --> right leg --> assign

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i dont think its ctrl shift m

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sorry that is for bones

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use select menu then mirror

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there is not hotkey

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there

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it worked

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ty

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np

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workflow is a bitch

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dont forget to SAVE right meow

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hm

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its broken

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oh and check your weight paint

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it didnt select the vertices

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u may need to reparent those bones

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only parts

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is the left leg messed up too

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the vertices in the legs are not completely symmetrical

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that's probably why

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use C after mirroring to select the missing parts

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no biggie just reselect in vertex groups add the missing parts and assign

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hm

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it wont let me select some parts

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switch to face mode --> hold shift --> select one at a time with mouse

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https://imgur.com/a/Yf6w9

Imgur

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it's not selectable

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you're in vertex selection mode

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https://snag.gy/Z02Uw6.jpg

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id id ti

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yayay

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https://imgur.com/a/VaREQ

Imgur

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wireframe mode u meant

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C is nice too

storm geode Apr 14, 2018, 10:43 PM

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how did you even do that

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:43 PM

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no

storm geode Apr 14, 2018, 10:43 PM

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3/4 of body as right leg

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:43 PM

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it was like that apparently

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broken mmd model thats how

storm geode Apr 14, 2018, 10:44 PM

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👏

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:44 PM

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build your own armatures for days imo

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thing is

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i only need this model for an animation

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lol

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😐

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 10:44 PM

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Hey

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:44 PM

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i know im just being silly

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im trying to do my maid harem animation

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and this is onlythe first 1

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lol

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fml

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 10:45 PM

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I'm wondering about implementing something. I'm planning on using a large disembodied head and I want to implement eye tracking without blinking or a fullbody skeleton.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:46 PM

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I'm self-inserting as the MC from Akkun to Kanojo this season

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I am a real life tsundere

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Just name your eyes lefteye and righteye and make sure they are on the correct bone structure. Set constraints in unity rig and it should work automatically

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is there a default sitting pose in the sfk

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sdk*

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might be one under the examples

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well

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i guess i could just make my own

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i have muscle animator

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but

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 10:48 PM

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I'm not sure how I should use it though. There is no body I can use for a structure, just a massive head and I don't want any blinking or lipsync.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:48 PM

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i dont know where the axis is

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for the sitting part

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its not at 0 is it

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your bottom touches the 0 axis

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or

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your feet

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?

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for sitting

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:49 PM

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I have two breast bones that aren't taking to dynamic bones at all. Everything is solid for whatever reason

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:49 PM

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or should i just throw the t pose default on and force it into a sitting pose

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and then reassign the default sitting animation

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tit bones should be pretty horizontal from the nipple and set to the chest bone without being connected

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but the thing is your origin changes when you sit

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actually

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i thing the feet stay on the ground axis

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:50 PM

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My issue seems to be that the bone isnt workign in any way, what so ever

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:50 PM

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so its just the upper body that changes vertically

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:50 PM

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But the bone is there, AND it's weight painted.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

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hm

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dynamic bones doesnt move the tits on my models much. you have to really loosen the inerts up to see anything

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fk

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do i need to decimate a 100k model if its only being used for an animation

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

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No

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

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nope

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sweet

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only need to decimate it if you wanna use it in vrchat

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ok good

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yeeeeee

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

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This makes no sense. I can place a dynamic bone on literally anything and it will move.

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Yet these two bones, specifically, are unaffected by anything.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:52 PM

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100k model no decimation only used for 5 seconds

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XD

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:52 PM

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It'd make sense if I forgot to weight paint and it wasn't moving because of that. But this is showing the controller not moving as well

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:52 PM

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take a screenshot of the two bones with everything else hidden in octahedral mode

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I'm reimporting the model

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Some modern games actually go for 100k. As an example, a character model in Resident Evil 7 weighs in at about 100k tris.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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if its not a cpu heavy game tris dont matter much

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i want to make the model i did to sit on my lap with her arms around me when i sit down

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XD

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ty for reminding me to put tit bones in to my rig

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I thought I was gonna be a cool kid and bring in a Halo 5 model

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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XD

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Turns out those models are too damn big

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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coconut has thicc plot

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:54 PM

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https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/578/484/large/kyle-hefley-chief-page-01.jpg

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 10:54 PM

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I'm currently using an Uncharted 3 model for that reason.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:54 PM

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XD

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just scale it

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Blender doesn't like trying to decimate a 890k model.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:54 PM

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build your high res normal map

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and atlas it that way

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then reduce it manually. the texture will create the illusion

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Also, if you're experienced enough, you can use the original model as a base and retopologize it to fit within your limitations.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:56 PM

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thats the word i was looking for retropologize

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:57 PM

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https://gyazo.com/a668bb007adb2f41671d0da367a9c90d

Gyazo

▶ Play video

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What could be causing a bone to not move no matter what

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:57 PM

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you need actual tits XD XD

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:58 PM

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She's easily a larger C cup my dude

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Either way, this makes no sense.

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The bones are placed. They have parented material

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Even without parenting, the bones themselves should still be moving.

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Even if they didn't have a material to move with it.

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This makes no sense to me.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 10:59 PM

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did you weight paint?

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dumb question but u gotta ask

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Yes

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But thats not the point.

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Even without weight painting, the bone would still move even if it had nothing to control

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The bone is absolutely not budging no matter what I try to do

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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does it work when you pose it in blender?

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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I have the rotation tool out trying to rotate the breast and its not moving, too

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Lemme check. Honestly I should have before all this

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Works in blender

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:01 PM

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which direction is the bone

#

skinny part on nip or fat part

#

gdi

#

my weights are all messed up now

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 11:01 PM

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All of it works in blender

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And it faces outward. Skinny part out

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:01 PM

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loosen up your inertia on the dynamic bone

#

Anyone have an idea how to get an audio source and particle systems to work on a separate animation? I have the first animation for a gun and a cocking noise, and the first for a gun fire and 2 particle systems, but the second doesnt activate.

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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I did

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I even removed inertia.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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wrong room megumeme

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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https://gyazo.com/017298b311c7499323e9c2215ade30d2

Gyazo

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Even the rotation tool does nothing

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Like, I cannot edit or alter this bone in any way

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Cant move it

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:03 PM

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weird

mental lynx Apr 14, 2018, 11:03 PM

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This is... something I've never come across before

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https://gyazo.com/0d3e58236637e55b9a9ef5772c4cbde1

Gyazo

▶ Play video

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Look at that. I cant move it in any way

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:04 PM

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thats unity problem

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wonder why its locked

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:04 PM

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@fading verge You mentioned to make sure that the eyes are on the correct bone structure, but how would I structure a model made of only a disembodied head? Should I have a bone for the head and two bones for each of the eyes and then parent the eye bones to the head?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:05 PM

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hmm just try it with it named lefteye and right eye

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are you setting up the rig as generic?

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or as humanoid

#

one word lefteye/righteye

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Probably generic. It's not a full body.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:05 PM

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can u post a picture of the shaded model

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im not really familiar with rigging generics

#

yet at least

#

i plan on making some beasts later

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:06 PM

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I've not textured or rigged the model yet. I'm trying to get everything figured out ahead of time.

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But I'll post it in chat hold on

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:07 PM

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well if its a disembodied head

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and its humanoid

#

you may as well use a humanoid rig

#

like if it was just a floating head in the sky

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aseasdasasdas

#

when i merged the meshes

#

it reset the vertex groups

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iuno

#

something in cats

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reset my groups to the broken ones

#

u dont need to touch cats again

#

i mean at this point you are manually rigging shit

#

cats is like a quick lazy converter

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:11 PM

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here's the full model:

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https://imgur.com/a/5HB0w

Imgur

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:11 PM

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are you gonna have it floating at head height?

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or on the ground

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:11 PM

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I'll have it on the ground, most likely.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:12 PM

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well i would use a basic humanoid rig

#

just shrink the bottom part down

#

that way you can still grab shit

#

dont forget to move the bottom of the model to 0,0,0

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:13 PM

#

How would I set it up for rigging? I relied on Mixamo for my last one.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:13 PM

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if you wanna be fast blender has a plugin called rigify built in

#

google how to use it. pretty quick

#

it gives you a fully loaded armature and u just scale it

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:14 PM

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I've tried using it before. So I guess what I should do is ignore all the bones except for the head and create some custom bones from scratch for the eyes?

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:15 PM

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oh man

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i have so many broken vertex groups

#

omg

#

you'll have to set manual vertex groups for the eyes and then just weight paint them

#

you're probably gonna want to make shape keys for the mouth or no?

#

you could just rig eye bones from scratch and try importing it as generic

#

i dont know if that will work though

#

agh

#

i should just remove all the vertex groups

#

lol if you're gonna do that

inner cedar Apr 14, 2018, 11:18 PM

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I feel like all of us are going agh for different and similar reasons.

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:18 PM

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you can rebuild them super quick and just adjust

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object mode -> select mesh --> shift click select armature --> ctrl P --> with automatic weights

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and then just touch up the goofy spots one bone at a time

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well

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i can remove 1 entire side

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and fix 1 side and mirror select

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and assign

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im going silent for a bit. i just parented my armature and now its paint:30

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nope mirror doesnt work because of the non symmetrical vertices

vivid quiver Apr 14, 2018, 11:24 PM

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https://imgur.com/nusnETI

Imgur

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I'm having a problem with this

fading verge Apr 14, 2018, 11:34 PM

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wtfff

#

wow im retarded

#

i didnt even have to do all that shit

#

the material seperation broke everything when the model was fine

#

i found out by just reloading and not seperating the materials

#

ffkkffk

#

all i had to do was click fix, merge mesh and reparent the legs

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wtfffff

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 12:08 AM

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hahah yeah cats plugin

wary sparrow Apr 15, 2018, 12:37 AM

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is anyone here good with dynamics bone and everything?

#

im horrible at it. i have my avatar made and everything. jus need to use blender but its to complicated for me and i cant make it work right if someone wants to help me out if thats cool?

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 12:57 AM

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yesss i think i have fixed it

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wooo

#

nice

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no errors on my model

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😄

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 1:48 AM

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hey guys

#

whats the easiest way to add the blink right if you only have a blink left

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but have the vertex groups for both eyes

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and the blink for both eyes

#

is there a way to copy/seperate the blink?

#

blink does both

patent edge Apr 15, 2018, 1:49 AM

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thats a wink dude

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 1:50 AM

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i know

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but i need the wink right and left

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but i only have

#

1

#

i only have wink left

#

i need both right

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for the eye tracking to work

#

i cant use blink both for blink right

#

it doesnt work

#

wink is blink left

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what do i use for blink right

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if i dont have it

#

i need to create it right

#

or do i just use blink left as blink both and basis the rest

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?

brisk mesa Apr 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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once i just used the overall blink for both slots.

#

but anyway you'll need to translate what those keys are if you're looking at which is wink

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eye tracking seems to work even if you have broken keys tho

boreal trail Apr 15, 2018, 2:13 AM

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https://ibb.co/eTn96n I've had this issue for a while now and can't seem to resolve it. When resting my arms by my side, the avatar has his arms forward for some reason. The shoulders use to be inside of the body like in the image but I fixed this by moving the bones for the shoulder and upper arm to the shoulder, scaling them down, and keeping the offset from the parent. https://ibb.co/gbY0e7 Here's the terrible weight painting I've done https://ibb.co/eBu6K7 https://ibb.co/mXLDz7 https://ibb.co/f0aP6n

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wary sparrow Apr 15, 2018, 4:00 AM

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no one can help?

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:10 AM

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I need help tryin to apply the bones in my model

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an also my blender with cats is not seperating my materials...

fickle pollen Apr 15, 2018, 7:17 AM

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anyone on here that can help? I tried moving my model and it contorts weirdly

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https://imgur.com/WwnoYHB

Imgur

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I tried repainting but it only fixed some of them.

fickle pollen Apr 15, 2018, 7:39 AM

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nevermind

#

eh, still happens, just less...

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Is there a way to transfer the bones from 1 amature to another in blender?

lilac moss Apr 15, 2018, 10:05 AM

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@fickle pollen the normalize all button in tools tab of weight paint mode is what you need

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the issue is they're weighted to multiple bones

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er the total wegiht from bones is more than 1 for those vertices

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@fading verge ctrl-j will join 2 entire armatures

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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its not workin @lilac moss

lilac moss Apr 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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in object mode, select one then shift select the other

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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jfsiag oeij goij FINNALY!!!!

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ty sooo much! Dx @lilac moss

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Now i just need to reparent these skirt bones to the hips..

lilac moss Apr 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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bones of the same name will keep the same weight

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the weights are stored in the mesh corresponding to bone names

#

oh nevermind

#

im tired

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 1:38 PM

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So I just tried to make eye tracking for an avatar that I had to self-rig, everything works fine and stuff with everything else but when I try to create eye tracking, the LeftEye and RightEye bones that I made do this. http://prntscr.com/j5j21y anybody have a clue why o_o?

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naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 1:59 PM

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@fading verge ctrl+A > scale/location/rotation

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then createeye tracking

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:00 PM

#

Tried, doesn't help, i set them back into place but whenever I try to create eye tracking again it'll do the exact same thing

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:00 PM

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select mesh + bones > ctrl+A

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:00 PM

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just shoots up into the sky lmao

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:00 PM

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i'v eonly had this issue with not applied scale

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Aye i'm creating eye tracking from scratch and it's a pain uhhhh

#

Wait the last step actually worked

#

tysm!!

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:13 PM

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excuse me, I wanted to try my hand on weight painting, i'd like to select the shirt mesh and the legs and nothing else, how do I do that, can't seem to find what i'm looking for 😞

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:14 PM

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seperate legs and shirt

#

either seperate by materials, or if just need those two

#

enter edit mode, hover mouse over shirt > press L (can change mod ein operator bottom left by what selection is made(UV, material, etc)) > P > selection

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do same for legs, then select shirt, select legs and ctrl+J

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then u can select bone in pose mode, shift select legs+shirt and enter weight paint

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:19 PM

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thank you, shall try @naive tree

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I'm not sure if ctrl j does anything to me

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:20 PM

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ctrl+J joins meshes

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:20 PM

#

oh

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:20 PM

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and P > selection seperates the selection as a different mesh

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so u seperate legs and shirt as new meshes and then join them as one

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if u want just them two in weight paint

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:22 PM

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assuming i don't want my shirt to clip trough my legs, i'll just need to weightpaint these two together right?

pine harbor Apr 15, 2018, 2:23 PM

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if you weight your skirt to the leg bones properly, then the legs shouldn't clip through, yeah (whoops, it was "shirt" you said)

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:23 PM

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depends on how they are layered

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if you paint the shir to legs then yes

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:23 PM

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but you can get other problems if you do that, like mesh stretching

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:23 PM

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😞

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:24 PM

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or you can try dynamic bones + collider

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might help 🤷

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:24 PM

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i did try that, didn't work

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:24 PM

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or cloth component if you are crazy enough

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:25 PM

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i did try cloth too, it separated the shirt in the middle and i've had a constant hole because of it

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https://imgur.com/w40rSww

Imgur

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do i want the bottom shirt to have similar colour as the thighs?

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also the cloth method made my mesh invisible from time to time, not sure why

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:28 PM

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in game or in unity?

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:28 PM

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in game

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 2:29 PM

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could be because of high wolrd acceleration and it got thrown behind your colliders

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where it was stuck

#

keep world acceleration at 0.2 or lower, keep stretching high

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:29 PM

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well the whole shirt did dissapear even the parts which i set to not animate or whatever it was called

#

apparently people saw it dissapear when they came closer and it returned when they made a bit distance

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why can't everything work without hours of trying 😞

pine harbor Apr 15, 2018, 2:31 PM

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is the shirt a separate mesh?

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it's making me think of a bounding problem, but i don't think that should usually be happening

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:33 PM

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yes

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it's a bounding problem

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the cloth component is fucked in the unity version we need to use

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and it's often offset by a certain distance

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this is the bound box of my skirt
https://i.imgur.com/E235Ppc.png

Imgur

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i can't resize or move it for some reason

pine harbor Apr 15, 2018, 2:36 PM

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thaaaaaaaaaat would probably about do it if something like that's happening, yeah -- if the bound box is completely behind another solid object, awoo's shirt is going to vanish

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(and we should probably be averting our eyes >_>)

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what happens to the bound box in play mode? my cape's one actually changes shape/dimensions as it falls to the ground

reef skiff Apr 15, 2018, 2:37 PM

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lewd shirt problems 😞

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:37 PM

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it stay in the same place

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i didnt find any way to move it

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but sometimes it move back in place

pine harbor Apr 15, 2018, 2:39 PM

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hmm, yeah -- mine's showing similar behaviour when the scene's not playing, but it behaves as expected when played for some reason

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scene not playing:
https://snag.gy/4WmFuZ.jpg

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while playing though:
https://snag.gy/qEHGid.jpg

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i'm not sure if it might have to do with any settings visible in the screenshots, though it may be worth mentioning that the entire cape is a separate mesh, and only a thin row of cloth particles at the shoulders is constrained not to move

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 2:47 PM

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kinda weird that it bugs out in game then

pine harbor Apr 15, 2018, 2:51 PM

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my current one doesn't seem to bug out in-game, but i don't know what about it might make it different from yours or awoo's

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currently thinking along the lines of what might possibly screw up unity's sense of where the center of a mesh is

leaden moth Apr 15, 2018, 4:40 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/1EgzO i have some really problem here..

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spine transform 'spine' has bone length of zero

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 4:51 PM

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you can ignore that

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how do i fix broken hands where the actual mesh is broken and not the armature or weights

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not decimated

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both of them are broken ?

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no

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just the left hand

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delete it and duplicate the right hand

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and mirror it

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ah

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modifier?

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no idea, never had to do that
but if i can't fix something immediately with mesh moving or weight paint i'll just delete the thing and redo it

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there are some option to mirror selected mesh i think

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:21 PM

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cant get mirror to work

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dont think it works on meshes/vertex groups

fickle pollen Apr 15, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Thanks @lilac moss

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:39 PM

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ok

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it wont let me attach the bones to the new hands

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automatic weights doesnt work

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it wont let me weight paint it either

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:42 PM

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is the mesh even joined to old mesh

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:42 PM

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yes

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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and are the armatures joined

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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yes

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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if u want to autocalculate then u need to seperate

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cuz sometimes it doesnt work

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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what is autocalc

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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weight paint has to work

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if not the u are missing something

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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i just wanted to clone my right hand to put on my left hand

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but it isnt working

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:44 PM

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mirror it

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:44 PM

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i did

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but now it wont join

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i clicked automatic weights

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doesnt work

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https://imgur.com/a/iwE9z

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https://imgur.com/a/tyhYJ

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select vertices mirror x y and z

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manually drag the new hand to the other side

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manually select the old mesh and then select the new hand and ctrl j

worldly creek Apr 15, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Ok so I know the textures are messed up i know how to fix i have imported many of mmd models to unity but ive never had this the armature some have is how not connected to the body its self

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:50 PM

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is my process correct?

worldly creek Apr 15, 2018, 5:50 PM

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http://prntscr.com/j5lx9n

Lightshot

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naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:50 PM

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no

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you apply mirror modifier

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:51 PM

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no

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i clicked object mirror

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at the bottom

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meshmirror

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duplicate

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:51 PM

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no, you seperate the hand

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then u mirror

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not duplicate

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jezus christ

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duplicate = same weight

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:52 PM

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ok i selected the vertices of the hand in edit mode

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:52 PM

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@worldly creek change localization to japanese when extracting rar

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ctrl+E

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@fading verge P> selected, then delete all keyshapes from hand, then add modifier: Mirror > apply

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:55 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/KC3zE

Imgur

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:56 PM

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apply

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 5:56 PM

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ihad the wrong object

naive tree Apr 15, 2018, 5:56 PM

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if u mirror the hand, it will carry over the weights too, and if it mirrors in wrong pos, you can always move it

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:00 PM

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ok it worked

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however

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the bones are not joined to the hands

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oh

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the bones on the right hand move the mesh on the left hand

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automatic weights didnt work

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anybody experienced with rigging generics

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i fixed it

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i dont need to rename the new vertex groups right

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fk

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stll broken

cosmic mica Apr 15, 2018, 6:34 PM

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Is the new sdk still bugging out or does everything work well now? I notice people have stopped complaining about it now but im still afraid to update.

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:36 PM

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SDK always worked fine for me

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:37 PM

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damn

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i fixed it

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all that work to fix a hand

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im pretty sure those mmd creators intentionally break their models

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Perhaps some do

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I've seen MMD creators "lock" their models because of lewd edits, only for it to work fine in Blender

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Artists are catching on to the fact that their models are used in VRChat. Some are fine with that, others put insane passwords on their models and add a "no VRC" disclaimer

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:40 PM

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not much they can do when their model gets heavily modded

lofty nacelle Apr 15, 2018, 6:40 PM

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So I'm working on a model Currently, and everything is fine, but does anyone know why when in Blender the model has 1 mesh, but when I import to unity it has two? it seperates the skin and face from the clothes, with gives two sub meshes in the body of the model and causes me to not be able to use mouth visemes and such because of it

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:40 PM

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unless it is a blatant import - upload

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i heavily modify any mmd model i get

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:41 PM

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@lofty nacelle your model has too many polys

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:41 PM

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its unrecognizable

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:41 PM

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It does that above 65k

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:41 PM

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@lofty nacelle ehhm when your model has more than 64k polys it splits up

lofty nacelle Apr 15, 2018, 6:42 PM

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hmmm okay thanks for the info!

cosmic mica Apr 15, 2018, 6:42 PM

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that explains one of my avatars.....

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:42 PM

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hey guys

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do you know how to fix the sitting animationwhen you stand up

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other than reloading the avatar ingame

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Never heard of that happening

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:43 PM

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I think I know what you're talking about but I've also never heard a fix

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:43 PM

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when i a spawn an object when sitting

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it gets stuck to me when i walk around

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:43 PM

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it happens when you stand up while emoting in a chair it gets stuck on your avatar

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:43 PM

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theres no fix?

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Don't stand up before you finish emoting

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And don't sit down while doing a gesture

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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I think it has something to do with the anim system unity uses

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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This is a game bug so there's nothing you can do to fix it

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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the problem is i spawn a maid that sits on me when i sit down

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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yep that would be the fix

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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XD

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Then don't do that

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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hahahaha

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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You could make that a shape key instead of a toggled object

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Toggling objects in idle animations doesn't work the way you want it to.

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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o

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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but would the shape key also stay then?

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Even though it might look weird as shape key

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No, because shape keys are usually handled properly for some reason.

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You'll have to figure this one out yourself, uncharted territory and all that

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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hmm weird but also interesting

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Just like how enabling objects on fist makes them stuck until you do another gesture, this is not the case for blend shapes

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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oh

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wait

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how do i do that

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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really I havent heard abouth that yet @gritty nest

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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but i have to shape the pose based on 2 models

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Like I said, you're on your own for that one. If you don't understand what I mean, you're probably not ready to attempt such a thing

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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pose to shape key

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would that work in blender

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so shape keys with 0/1 keyframe will disappear when you stand up?

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so i can just do the pose in blender

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Yeah, problem is that the maid will always be active

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You could just modify the IDLE standing animation to disable the maid?

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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ahhhh

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yeah that might work

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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I think you will also have to watch out with poly limit 🤔

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Be careful with the default standing idle animation, it has spread legs so you'll have to bring those back in. Also, the spine and head twist will have weird values, just set all of those to 0.

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Yeah, having a model always active will hurt you with the poly limit

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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no

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it is not always active

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:49 PM

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I know, but if you go the shape key route, it is always active

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Just really small

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:49 PM

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oh

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dammit

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ok so that wont work then

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ill have to manually pose it into unity

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:50 PM

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other fix would be that every time you stand up and sit down you make sure you don't have an emote enabled

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Problem is that he probably enables the maid in his sitting IDLE anim

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:51 PM

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but it should work in my standing animation if i set it to disable the maid

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Yes

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I've done stuff like that before

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:52 PM

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lol

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:52 PM

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ahh I get what you mean rokk, that would be quite smart if it worked. I would have just used an animation override

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:53 PM

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But as I said, the idle animations require slight amounts of tweaking. Otherwise, you'll have one of the following scenarios:

Uncontrollable stanky leg.
Legs are oddly spread apart, and then return to normal when you look down.
Your spine rotates in inhuman ways because the default values are messed up.

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I know quite a bit about idle animations, I used them to spice up my avatars since I was on desktop

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Makes a huge difference in quality

fading verge Apr 15, 2018, 6:53 PM

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so i can just put my idle animation with the tpose fix then drop my arms

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:54 PM

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I assume you used an animation component back when you were on desktop

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:54 PM

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For what?

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Idle animation

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:54 PM

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The override controller has an IDLE slot that you can use

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So basically whenever you're not walking

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:55 PM

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but wouldn't you also have to add all the values for the basic pose?

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:55 PM

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I duped the one in the sample animations

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:55 PM

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ahh ok

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makes sense

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:55 PM

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But as I said, it's imperfect. It's almost correct, but the legs are spread, and the head is looking off to the side a bit.

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The spread legs turned out to be fine on the first avatar I tried it on (it's actually accurate to her pose), but I had to fix it on some others. Just involved setting the leg spread to 0 and foot twist to 0.

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And the spine/chest twist and bend are all set to weird values like 5.86894375834, despite the Muscle Animation Editor saying that they're at default. Had to set that back to 0 too so I didn't look like an eldritch abomination.

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Interesting I really gotta get on those idle animations, there's a lot of playing room there

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Muscle Animation Editor makes it a breeze. I actually never bothered learning animation in Blender lol

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:57 PM

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or is it bad when you're using a vr headset?

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Well, there are some problems when you use a VR Headset, but that depends entirely on what your idle animation entails.

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And it's not even a problem necessarily, since in VR, the arm and hand movement in the animation is ignored

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:58 PM

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ohh yeah that's another big thing

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 6:58 PM

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But when I put my headset down, it had a tendency to revert back to the desktop idle animation except crooked.

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Oh, and the hand pose in the IDLE animation is the default one you'll always have when not gesturing, so you have to keep that in mind too.

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 6:59 PM

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hmm

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I think in that case I may just stick to the animation component

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 7:00 PM

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How so? That's gonna be even worse lol

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That's a legacy component, hard to edit animations, and they're always bloody active

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Unless you micromanage them

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 7:00 PM

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nah I mean with like adding moving parts to avatars

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Oh

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I usually use the Animator component for that lol

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I put an Animator on the object that I want to animate

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It's so much easier to let the object govern its own animations instead

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 7:01 PM

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yeah but If I want to like move parts of the base avatar

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Ah

raven reef Apr 15, 2018, 7:01 PM

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yeah for props I also use the animation controller

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But until now I haven't really gotten much use out of using the animation component, since I don't really have anything worthwhile to have a looping animation for

gritty nest Apr 15, 2018, 7:09 PM

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I think it's worthwhile for custom blinking.

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Or if you need to trigger a longer animation on a gesture and don't want to use any other workarounds

zinc heart Apr 15, 2018, 7:47 PM

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https://prnt.sc/j5nkze

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I dont know what happened to the ears on my model when i imported it into unity

rose shard Apr 15, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Are there blendshapes on your ears?

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I'm just guessing,

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._.

zinc heart Apr 15, 2018, 8:02 PM

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not that i can tell

rose shard Apr 15, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Hm,

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I think it could have something to do with the armature of the ears maybe

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I'm no professional,