@tawny silo just in unity, that should fix it.
#avatar-rigging
topaz dune
tawny silo
I move my hips and the whole body moves with it
topaz dune
if it looks good in blender, you might just want to make small changes in unity
fading verge
Why does this model look like its squatting?
tawny silo
@topaz dune
looks like this in blender
how do i pop up animation mode in Blender again?
topaz dune
select the bones and go to pose mode https://gyazo.com/609e19eb0d34d9328ce9f69a45fb3394
crude vortex
fading verge
Please can someone help me
topaz dune
is it optinal in unity?
crude vortex
Dunno
crisp tendon
If you want animations you need a hand with three fingers
topaz dune
but i think you wanna re work it tho XD
crisp tendon
@crude vortex you only need one hand bone
topaz dune
took me some time but now i see what you did, haha
crude vortex
fingers
fading verge
Niko could u help me?
topaz dune
yeah
crude vortex
alright
topaz dune
@fading verge what's ya problem ma friend
crude vortex
spine straight?
crisp tendon
@crude vortex yep
crisp tendon
Parented, not connected
crisp tendon
It's good on your image @crude vortex
@fading verge the rig isn't going to work like this, probably need to fix it
fading verge
Wdym @crisp tendon
topaz dune
@crisp tendon would it be a qick fix in blender?
crisp tendon
The IK system needs one specific skeleton to work, I don't think gmod characters have that skeleton by default
crude vortex
Do I need to combine these all together somehow?
All the body parts of this model are seperate
crisp tendon
@topaz dune With cats plugin or with mixamo from scratch sure
crisp tendon
@crude vortex use cats plugin or Ctrl + j
fading verge
Hmmm, the thing is
fading verge
its only with this model
I have another gmod model
and its normal
also fingers are screwed on all of them
topaz dune
just to be sure, can we have a look in blender?
crude vortex
Ohdangit wish I'd know it was a destructive edit
fading verge
Sure lemme load the model
ebon prairie
What is this error
What the hell do I do with it
What does it mean
It's gibberish
It doesn't mean anything
How do you deal with gibberish
How does one do
topaz dune
@crude vortex the texture's are still on a hidden uv map
topaz dune
@ebon prairie first you want to make sure the paranting of the bones are right.
ebon prairie
I tried
topaz dune
as in it confusing, and impossible to figre out what's what?
ebon prairie
This happens
topaz dune
I've never seen that before...
cerulean dawn
does anyone know how to manualy make a jaw bone, I tried doing it with automatic weights in blender and it moves the entire face downward instead of just the lower part
fading verge
ebon prairie
I just want some expert to make this avatar in like 3 minutes for me just so I don't have to spend any more time besides the 8 hours I've spent today
I'm getting this error that is nowhere on the internet to be found
Nor a fix for it
I don't understand
topaz dune
oh i see @ebon prairie, i'm not sure what causes this, but i can atleast see what could be wrong....
ebon prairie
What's wrong?
topaz dune
@cerulean dawn make viseme's instead, they are alot better.
cerulean dawn
are there tutorials on that
topaz dune
hehe, give me a sec
cerulean dawn
morph what is the model of
ebon prairie
As in?
cerulean dawn
what is the model
topaz dune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luYoj9FM2UM i think this was the one
topaz dune
@fading verge can you take a pic from the side?
fading verge
ebon prairie
No
I had to do it myself
And obviously I have no clue of what the shit I'm doing
I need guidance
;-;
fading verge
Skeletons are oof to do from scratch
topaz dune
@fading verge try and line up the kees, and feets with the hip, remember to make a save before you do so.
fading verge
How do i select a singluar bone
topaz dune
i have the same problem with my model, but i havent gotten around to fix it.
select the bones and press tab to go to edit mode
fading verge
how do i select it though
tawny silo
topaz dune
right mouse button
fading verge
thank you
cerulean dawn
@topaz dune that video u sent is if they already have visemes
this one is one where I would need to make them myself
topaz dune
ah sry
ebon prairie
...
Should I just start from scratch and use Mixamo instead...
Or can someone actually help me...
topaz dune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlf959QT9VI @cerulean dawn
@ebon prairie maixamo is good to use depending on the model.
fading verge
is it ok that they tilt a bit niko
ebon prairie
ghdfighdh
topaz dune
@fading verge sure.
topaz dune
@fading verge give it a try, if it didnt help try and line the hip with the rest of the skeleton
ebon prairie
Do I fix this in Blender or in Unity?
Because if I try fix it in Unity I get this error
topaz dune
go to blender and take a look at the paranting
ebon prairie
Well
Thing is
I can't fucking change the parenting in Blender for some odd fucking reason
Wait, now I can
I'll try that I guess
Still doesn't work
I get the same error
I don't know what "neck" means
There is no bone named "neck"
topaz dune
that can be the issue.
ebon prairie
So what am I supposed to do then?
topaz dune
well a nomal body has a hip-spine-chest-neck-head paranting order. you gotta change it to that
topaz dune
so it looks somewhat like https://gyazo.com/2d8635735391c478e7a8e201e94e49c6
ebon prairie
I have hip-spine-chest-NECK GOES HERE BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS NO NECK IN EXISTENCE WHAT DO I DO HELP PLS I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR SO LONG IT'S PROBABLY EASY BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT WORK CAN SOMEONE HELP ME SOMETIME IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW, BUT PERHAPS LATER
ebon prairie
Yeah?
ebon prairie
What do you mean mapping?
topaz dune
@tawny silo there is no bone called neck on Morph's model
tawny silo
ah
ebon prairie
topaz dune
is what i think is the problem
tawny silo
that could be it
fading verge
you shouldn't have upper chest defined
fading verge
what does it say about head when you click it open
ebon prairie
Empty
topaz dune
@fading verge it goes -neck then head
fading verge
his screenshot doesn't show that
ebon prairie
her* :P
topaz dune
yeah, there is no neck, that the problem
topaz dune
yeah
is there more than one jaw bone?
if i had that model, i would delete all the bones, get maixamo to rebone my model or make a new skeleton in blender
topaz dune
i'll take that..
vernal gale
when I set the automatic weights on a model, do I need it to be one entire mesh
or will the bones meant for other meshes work fine
ebon prairie
dreamy zinc
well, I need help in blender. The arms are somehow wierd and make the shoulder broken
ebon prairie
@topaz dune
crisp tendon
Pictures would help @dreamy zinc
vernal gale
@dreamy zinc that'd be the weights
dreamy zinc
well, it's my first rigging and I dont know what to do, one sec
The Left Arm
The Chest too?
dreamy zinc
these are the IK bones
crisp tendon
Why are your bones outside of your body and you hips between your knees ?
dreamy zinc
I followed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGvalWG8HBU
these are basicly the IK bones for moving them
dreamy zinc
They are in the body
vernal gale
right right
go into object mode
select the armature
go into pose mode on the armature
then shift + select the mesh
then in the mesh, goto "Weight Paint"
right click a bone
if it's blue, it's got 0 influence on that vert
if it's red, it's got 100% influence on that vert
you need to make it not pull stuff that it is pulling
also, if all you see is either Pink, Black, or Blue
you haven't set any weights yet
still lark
hey guys, I have a finished avatar rig based off of mixamo, i imported it with VRCSDK, but my model is stuck in a T-pose ingame. what2do?
dreamy zinc
ok, trying it
vernal gale
you didn't set the actual bones in unity
in the sdk
it should've been automatic for the most part
crisp tendon
The parenting is incorrect and there's bones missing still
still lark
everything is fine, right?
crisp tendon
in game ?
still lark
yes
crisp tendon
Can you zoom in on the model on the left
still lark
is this what you mean?
crisp tendon
Could you be missing the head bone ,
still lark
I have it on the model in Blender though
oblique cloud
woa
still lark
it's kinda wierd but this is how mixamo exported
still lark
So the problem might be the head bone?
main sage
if somethin is purple in weightpaint mode
what does that mean
neon shard
Do shoulders work better angled down (coming from high on the chest bone) or angled up (coming from low on the chest bone) in yall's experience?
neon shard
I get weird shoulder deflections
main sage
like i select a bone and instead of being like
vernal gale
when you do automatic weights, it also creates automatic vertex groups
vernal gale
is the face a seperate mesh?
main sage
then again this is on the dummy bones i made
dreamy zinc
I got the problem, but not the solution. I tried to manually attach the weight like you said, but the two arm bones are fully rotated because of the Inverse Kinematics
oblique cloud
holy fuckamoloy @dreamy zinc
dreamy zinc
😄
crisp tendon
@dreamy zinc Your bones are simple bones in blender
They have rotation if you gave them rotation
neon shard
Do not do any sort of IK setup in blender unless you intend to do all your own animations from scratch
IK setups will apply rotations to your pose
which will do very bad things
dreamy zinc
k thx for the help ^^
river kraken
I uploaded my first model (had to make a new VR Chat account etc) Everything was uploaded right, but I don't even have personal models in the game
cerulean dawn
so I just made some visemes to test out and my mouth isn't moving in game
I have the right mesh selected too
crisp tendon
@river kraken use your vrchat account not steam
still lark
Should finger bones be set as keep offset or connected?
river kraken
@crisp tendon does it just take time to update it?
jaunty flowerBOT
There are 18007 users in VRChat currently
crisp tendon
Yeah lots of people
river kraken
okay thanks
steep sonnet
river kraken
just thought it odd that my VR chat account wouldn't have the personal tab
crisp tendon
they shouldn't be no
If that's your first model and it doesn't show up, the app probably sees it as you don't have a personal tab
It'll show up
neon shard
@cerulean dawn I heard you cant reuse visemes
You will need to duplicate them in blender to make each viseme
they can be duplicates, but they need to be duplicated in blender, not just assigned all to the same shape in Unity
(this is a rumor, so maybe wrong)
main sage
despite putting the viewball in the head on this static / generic rigged avi, it defaults my view to the middle
crisp tendon
Still the same issue ?
cerulean dawn
@neon shard u confused me with that
main sage
naw i tried with a version that actually had dummy bones
crisp tendon
Have you tried resetting your user preference in the sdk ?
main sage
had more problems then i solved
neon shard
Sorry, ill rephrase
@cerulean dawn You have the same blendshapes assigned to all sorts of visemes
They all say the same blendshape
You will need 19 unique blendshapes
They dont have to all necissarily be different sculpts, but you will have to make 19 blendshapes in blender to use visemes
vernal gale
you don't need the eye ones if your model doesn't have eye tracking
but if you have pupils that move, you need those 4
main sage
sooo
something i want to be static starts moving around as if attached to my body. i made dummy bones so i can still have a humanoid rig, yet have the actual model itself be static
and i THINK its because the model itself is a child of Hips
tho idk
would that be something that causes it?
neon shard
The model should be parented to the armature base I believe
the hips will move around when it is animating
main sage
k
neon shard
Or to the base object in unity
But I think it might need to be the armature base to correctly orient
main sage
tho how would i move it out of the hips?
cuz Shift-clicking on the Armature in the hiearchy in blender just selects the whole thing / enters object mode
cerulean dawn
@neon shard so is there an easy way to duplicate them without remaking them
neon shard
Yep
Drag the one you want to copy from to full power
So it shows on the model
then click the down arrow on the right of the blendshapes and choose "create new from mix"
It will make a duplicate
You can also actually make mixes with that tool, its a great technique
still lark
@crisp tendon i used VRCat's blender plugin and it fixed everything 👌
fading verge
@oblique cloud do you mean enforce t-pose?
oblique cloud
yes
crisp tendon
@still lark Nice !
fading verge
anyone run into issues where the entire avatar turns with the head?
crisp tendon
@fading verge One of the feet bone isn't connected, IK might not work
fading verge
@crisp tendon thoes two?
on the left
im going to hope for the best
if it dont work ill ask for help but right now ill just do everything i normally
main sage
the size of my avatar bounding box is screwing me over for the size limit
hallow bay
is there any assets alternative for dynamic bones?
granite kestrel
@hallow bay Dynamic Bone is the only physics asset beyond cloth physics I believe
Cloth physics is default in Unity
dry marsh
Hey all! I've got an object alligned with my avatar model, in this case, it's a collar of sorts. When I export to VRChat, the collar ends up moving seperately from the rest of the model, lagging behind movements a bit. Any suggestions for how I might fix this?
mild heart
join it with the mesh what it parent is, get a backup before you do though
main sage
whenever i try to move / resize the bounding box in Unity, it like makes my model vanish
crude vortex
The arm slips out of the sleeve
dry marsh
So place it within the same model in unity, then join it? Can you join within unity?
crude vortex
Not in unity, this is blender
little inlet
ah
dry marsh
No no, @crude vortex I'm talking to someone else
crude vortex
No no, @dry marsh I'm talking to @little inlet
crude vortex
Yeah, problem is I figured this out when I got as far as using the model in game
little inlet
o
crude vortex
fading verge
does anyone how to make the head separate from the body? so i got 2 big meshes? body and head? i want to make my head invisible ingame
@vocal quiver Maybe you there? o:
dry marsh
@mild heart So place it within the same model in unity, then join it? Can you join within unity?
main sage
why does setting my lip syncing to jaw flap blend shape NEVER work?
mild heart
no, gotta be blender
dry marsh
I did try that, but then my texture mapping broke
mild heart
HMMM
mild heart
oh, that is why
ok, get the model where it isnt joined
then get a bone connecting the arm and bracelet
dry marsh
It's not joined to begin with, it's a piece from another model
mild heart
->
dry marsh
Here, I'll send a pic
mild heart
now i get it, had the same problem with my leon that used the ISE guns
get both being seperate fbx files
mild heart
then get both in unity
mild heart
move the bracelet where its supposed to be and connect it to like your neck/ make it the parent
dry marsh
Okay, it's under the hierarchy
mild heart
test it (you dont even have to be in the game itself)
dry marsh
How so?
dry marsh
Okay, I'm in the test, but it's just standing in a t-pose
dry marsh
Yup yup
mild heart
then select your entire avatar and move it around
see if it is delayed
then press the play button again when finished
dry marsh
Doesn't seem to be so far?
dry marsh
No, but if I move them together without the hierarchy stuff, that's still the same case
mild heart
yeah, but when you did the hierachy stuff. it is stuck right?
main sage
when i rigged this static model to some dummy bones
whenever i start to walk / move
it like slightly lifts the model up abit
not supposed to do that x3
mild heart
hm, it is supposed to move WITH the neck while having done the hierachy like that
you sure you connected it to the RIG NECK and not the MESH?
dry marsh
In this case, it moves with the whole body as it should
And it's not really connected by anything
In unity, it's just on top of the model
And within the primary hierarchy of the model
mild heart
can i get a screenie of your hierachy list?
then i can tell you where you can put it so it moves with your neck or chest
dry marsh
Sure, one moment
main sage
=U
dry marsh
Untitled is the Collar
chilly remnant
How can I fix this? Its my first time adding things to a model so I probably havent done a very good job. The helmet doesnt show up at all and the shoes are screwed in game
mild heart
urgh, mixamo bones
go into the mixamo hierachy and look for upperbody 2 or neck
then put it in that hierachy
upperbody 2 being the chest
and it depends on you where you wanna have it
mild heart
how many spines you got?
dry marsh
Spine 1 is unused because of how VRChat handle upperchest bones
It is essentially skipped
dry marsh
Got it. Testing now! May take some time. Thank you for all the help! I'll let you know the result
main sage
whys it do that.
charred sorrel
how do you go about giving a character a hunchback?
how would you position the spine
mild heart
try flipping the hip bone/lowerbody in blender
charred sorrel
in blender?
mild heart
yes
oblique cloud
charred sorrel
i don't know if that'd create a hunchback or jerk him forward
steady sonnet
anyone know my eyes sometimes go crosseyed with cat's eyetracking?
mild heart
@charred sorrel try to make his spine straight. vrchat doesnt like bended spines
mild heart
make his spine a bit bended forwards, vrchat will force it backwards and thus create it
mild heart
oh god scraze
charred sorrel
i did that with my goku model and it gave him a funky pose
mild heart
you will have alot of fun with that
oblique cloud
hahahah
mild heart
you gotta flip ALL the bones back in place
oblique cloud
fuck me
mild heart
select the arm/rig, go to the bone symbol below
charred sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378761490599116800/401176468429733888/unknown.png that's what it did when i curved the spine a certain way
mild heart
then select edit mode instead of object mode
@charred sorrel that is a upside down lowerbody bone
oblique cloud
cats didnt even fix it
charred sorrel
wait so im confused
how do i get the hunchback effect? curve his spine backwards?
oblique cloud
aaregon
mild heart
no, make it so it goes a bit forwards. but just a tiny bit
oblique cloud
select the arm rig?
mild heart
yes
oblique cloud
right click on the bone?
mild heart
should i show you it via screenshare?
charred sorrel
oblique cloud
why are they transparant
charred sorrel
?
mild heart
now use the tools to rotate it back in place @oblique cloud
oblique cloud
ty
mild heart
cause it is blender being wierd
@charred sorrel that is nearly good, try to make the bend in the middle of the back
shrewd timber
im trying to do the unity part but its kinda hard if someone could help me (i screenshare) i would be very happy
mild heart
no, just rotate it back in place
and remember its name, you will need it for the unity humanoid part
oblique cloud
oaky and should i lower it into the mesh more?
mild heart
each part of the body can only have 1 being as "active"
oblique cloud
mild heart
no, just rotate it
_>
dafuq
that is the wrong bone for the shoulder
you see the one that is lower and actually in the shoulder?
that is the right one
mild heart
wanna just screenshare? it is easier that way
mild heart
ye, then i will show you how i mean it through my blender
oblique cloud
ok
honest sage
so I have a problem...legs are fused together...how do I fix this?
mild heart
sdk might have selected the wrong leg bones in the humanoid config
stuck jasper
If I have a non humanoid model how do I make it so the head moves when i look up and down
mild heart
either custom animations or make it humanoid regardless
charred sorrel
im having a very strange problem
i imported this model from dA and it has a flapping mouth but it's like halfway down his beard
all bones work fine and everything it's just... that random mouth wtf
how do i move it up?
main sage
i feel like the problem with my thingy is the feet and such may or may not be in the floor
idk how that would affect it abit considering the model is in the Armature / not connected to the hips or any part of the skeleton
but meh
can i rip the skeleton / armature from a different model and put it in another?
main sage
HUZZAH may have just found out the reason for my probs
...ok maybe not
why'd unity like
lengthen the bone
or thats what it looks like atleast
turbid tinsel
hey guys, im having some problems with differences from what i see in game and what i see in unity, is anyone able to screenshare and help?
crude crag
try posting screenshots of each
main sage
heres the prob, or atleast what i think it is
see how unity made the Tank bone like clip under the scene
owait thats apparently the whole armature
turbid tinsel
So my arms are really streched, im floating, and the walking animation is really messed up, it looks really wierd
also my fingers are really messed up
and this is what sitting looks like xD
any ideas?
main sage
may be a rig issue or such
turbid tinsel
let me try to make another character
one that is simpler
now vr chat wont even load, its in a constand loop
main sage
yep
tropic roost
so i made a character who is one handed
his right hand is a drill but the left hand is fully mapped
however, it says they arent mapped so its disabled, does anyone know if there is way to enable the left hand
muted helm
@fading verge did you get the rig like that
I really not sure why people are deleting the toe/metarsil bones in rigs..
feet/shoes/boots do bend unless you want to rig everyone with skiboots.
crude crag
@tropic roost make bones that do nothing
that's the best way to do it from what ive heard
fading verge
can someone help me rig up mimikyu here, i've tried and failed
i can normally do it but because its not a human it makes it difficult and would like some help
supple yew
There aren't legs.
supple yew
So I don't think you'll be able to rig it properly without legs
fading verge
there are people who have added fish into the game and they dont have legs so i imagine there is a way
supple yew
Yeah but there are likely weightless bones or something
I doubt you can just add invisible legs
fading verge
well iver way, if theres anyone who can help with my problem please do
just remove them
i imagine
yea you can still do that and have it humanoid i think, unless you've tried
crude crag
clade is right
oh! clade, as long as you have leg bones, make it so that they have no weight assigned to them
tardy schooner
someone knows how to make the sleeve to follow the arm? I've tried using the weight paint but it's hard, it has 3 layers that sleeve and I don't know how to make it work, any idea,? or send me a link to a video where they explain that correctly and for noobs? or maybe, could a really generous person do it for me?
unkempt dome
I just uploaded my first avatar and backwards and sunken into the floor. What do?
crude crag
post a pic of the mapping in unity. i wonder if something went wrong there.
unkempt dome
ok
crystal vector
@cerulean dawn The selected mesh has no shape keys
unkempt dome
I've tried rotating the model 180 degrees since the avatar camera starts out rotated but that didn't help.
I can post blender screenshots as well
crude crag
@unkempt dome you have a number in the Z axis
make it 0
and that WILL fix it, trust me
lucid isle
hmmm my models foot isnt moving with the bone even when weight painted
main sage
ohai @crystal vector
fading verge
so no one is familiar with why an entire model would turn with the head? :<
topaz dune
@fading verge what's ya problem?
fading verge
@topaz dune i have a few models in which when i turn my head the torso/hips turn too
unkempt dome
@fading verge Not a 3D modelling expert but I think that'd happen if you placed the head bone first
fading verge
the bone structure seems fine though which is weird, i'm thinking the root for the model is off but i dont see any way to adjust that
oooh
hmm
topaz dune
you found the problem?
crude crag
when you reopen it in unity, does it reset the Z coord or is it still 0? tetra
fading verge
anyone know how i could remove these trident arm things
topaz dune
@fading verge make a quick chek of every thing, weight paint and parenting.
crude crag
@ tetra you did the reupload and everything, yeah?
unkempt dome
maybe? I reuploaded but I'm honestly not sure if It went through
probably should check that
topaz dune
@fading verge select the bones, and go to edit mode. choose a bone and press x to delete.
gleaming needle
Anyone know good values for gravity in dynamic bones?¨
unkempt dome
ah you're making an artorias model too my dude
tawny silo
yeah
unkempt dome
cool
fading verge
i think i just realized that i wont be able to use my model without re-opening blender and dealing with bones again
main sage
mhmm
unkempt dome
@tawny silo are there leg bones? I can't see any
fading verge
makes 3 bones in each leg
tight forge
I heard that you can add props to your avatar for custom emote purposes, even if your avatar itself is at the poly limit, is this true?
Whoops. Meant to ask that in #avatars-2-general , but I'll just leave it here.
main sage
AHAH. found out some info
meager fern
guys i have a question, i rigged my character, tested it, saved it, then exported to unity where i found a couple of problems, when i went back to fix said problems, i noticed that my mesh wouldnt move anymore in pose mode, only the bones, already checked the parenting and paint weights and everything seems to be ok
main sage
the model only rlly lifts up and such when i look around
like if i look up it pushes it into the ground abit
same with looking down, raises it up kinda
idk why it does that
meager fern
https://gyazo.com/be9d87b677c864d510efe83668a1c4b7 and my meshes refuses to move along with the bones
topaz dune
@meager fern did you applay the amarture?
meager fern
so, what can i do to fix it without destroying what i already have? 👀
topaz dune
you know how to parant the skeleton to the mesh using the armature tool?
meager fern
you mean, select the vertex that you want in the mesh and assign it to a bone?
im kinda new to blender, started messing around with it 2 days ago
topaz dune
no, just when you have made the armature tool, you select the mesh then the bone. ctrl+p and there should be an options to parant to the mesh with the exsisting weight paint
fading verge
where did the other button go? https://gyazo.com/a1a58e77955eaa0d0236ff78bc075075
unkempt dome
you've been hacked
topaz dune
@fading verge mabye update?
fading verge
update?
fading verge
im at 5.6.3p1
topaz dune
no idea just guessing
bitter ridge
im having a problem where my jacket does not move with the arm. it does move with the shoulders tho. i know you have to do some mix weight stuff but im not sure exactally how it works.
topaz dune
@meager fern how does it wiggel around?
meager fern
i mean, its a box, when i apply the humanoid animations in unity wouldnt it start wiggling around if i went with automatic weights?
i guess ill just delete the armature and start over
topaz dune
no, if you apply the weight correctly it'll be stiff. you can try and weight paint the hip to the intire mesh's body, then make dummy object inside the mesh for the ohter bones to follow.
@bitter ridge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3gIN4dJYw4&t=
this one contains how to weight paint
@meager fern make a save, and try to make some driffent test with the weight paint.
blender and unity really want's the bones to be mapped, and right now i dont think there is a way around it.
timid ether
Hello. When I use root of avatar for creation animation, they always stucking in the mantis pose. But if I use sub root, animation is creating fine. Can I some how use subroot animations for emotes?
unkempt dome
Ok so it turns out if I flip the model around the armiture so it's backwards then it faces forward, so I somehow placed the armiture backwards. obviously flipping it fucks up the weighting. how the hell do I fix this
topaz dune
use the animation channel, i'm sure they know more about it.
signal ravine
I know how to rig, but I just have a quick question, is there a limit to how many joints you can have in one model? Do they have to be set up in a very specific way?
Like, there are more advanced models out there with more controls, wondering if it needs to stay basic for it to work in-game
topaz dune
keep your bones to a minimum if you can, too meany bones make our pc's angry.
fading verge
can some one just guide me thru bones, it been 3-4 das now, haven't upload a single char
crude crag
@fading verge have you tried mixamo and CATS?
fading verge
no matter wut i do, it just always wrong spine, or missing elements
and i never touched modeling before, so idk how to bones
crude crag
did you try mixamo and CATS?
fading verge
yeah
topaz dune
what you wanna learn is how to rig it all your self. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2MGttB1E7U this way you'll only need half a day to rig a model
crude crag
okay and did you get a good skeleton from mixamo? animated properly in the window?
@fading verge
signal ravine
https://docs.vrchat.com/v1.0/docs/rig-requirements Ah, this is useful for the requirements ;p
topaz dune
nice @signal ravine this is great, when ppl ask we can make quik trouble shooting and help them faster.
sand patrol
Anyone know how to add Hair bones?
topaz dune
Hey anybody know's if dynamic hair, is made from regular bones?
timid ether
Can I some how edit bones weight in Unity?
low tinsel
Could anyone help with this predicament?
crude crag
@timid ether i think you have to do it blender
fading verge
fixes spine hierarchy issue
crude crag
:thonk:
fading verge
mfw
topaz dune
Dont hate on blender. blender is great. hate on ppl who make too complicated rigging
tardy schooner
@low tinsel It's easy, you just have to move the arms and every part in red so it looks like a T, go to the rotate section
fading verge
theres also a button under the pose drop-down that enforces T-pose
tardy schooner
and start moving the bones for the model to look like a T
ashen perch
anybody know how to move the point of origin where the feet stand?
its at knee level for some reason
topaz dune
there were a girl some time ago who had the same problem @fading verge she rerigged, removed unnessary bones and renamed the bones.
@ashen perch try and move her hips up in unity, that works for some ppl.
low tinsel
@tardy schooner in blender?
fading verge
as a sidenote i just noticed but your username moves up and down a little bit (next to settings button) whenever a message is sent in a channel
topaz dune
oh so that's what it does
ashen perch
whats the dynamic bone limit?
topaz dune
non, but dont be an ass.
ashen perch
well every time i add dynamic bones they disapear upon uploading
topaz dune
are they asseigned to the mesh?
ashen perch
no they're assigned to the bones.
i go back to the avatar after uploading and they're gone in the inspector
its like the uploader just removed them from my rig
topaz dune
yeah but did you map them onto the mesh with weight paint?
ashen perch
the dynamic bones work
but they got removed upon uploading it
i go back to unity and they're gone from the inspector
the dynamic bone component i added to the bones is just gone
its happened to me before, there must be some limit to dynamic bones
topaz dune
the bones can dissapear if they aint weight painted onto the mesh. ohter than that i dont know.
tardy schooner
@low tinsel in unity
This, then select the bones in red and start rotating them till they are green (it may take some time
low tinsel
alright
fading verge
is there anyone who can help me rig up the avatar im working on?
patent cosmos
question- if i use custom animations, i don't need to follow vrchat's armature guideline, right?
topaz dune
@fading verge this is all the help i can give you right now. but if you are here tomorrow, i can somewhat guide you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2MGttB1E7U
fading verge
@topaz dune thanks but its not a human its a pokemon that has no lags and ive been trying so hours to get the animations to work
near gull
In blender, how do I turn a .blend file into a .pmx? I click the option but I never received a .pmx file
last niche
Can someone tell me why my hip is like this ? And if there is a fix?
unkempt dome
what's wrong with it?
topaz dune
@near gull blender can export fbx, dae, abc, 3ds, ply, obj, x3d and stl.
near gull
dang, alright
fading verge
guessing i have to use blender to change bone parenting?
topaz dune
allright, i'm off. i hope you guys fixes your problem. and yes, i havent heard if you cloud do it any ohter way.
fading verge
k
crude crag
@topaz dune ☁
torn isle
!online
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last niche
@unkempt dome the hip pops out lolll
unkempt dome
oh right i see it
last niche
im not sure what to do
grand drum
hey guys i have a question about dynamic bones, does dynamic bones require weight painted area?
meager fern
https://gyazo.com/e6104ae3ba0aec13e0d45721674a0e4b tfw when you cant finish your model because of this..... any solution?
its perfectly aligned when closed, but when i open the cover with the bone, it rotates for no reason
tawny silo
ok so i had to redo my leg bones
they map in blender
but they don't move in the muscles & settings
what did i do wrong?
also he is in the floor
in Vrchat
up to his hips
just a little under
and i don't know what to do
Does anyone got any idea on what to do?
tawny zephyr
if i was to make a non humanoid avatar that has arms, would they still track with my VR controllers by default?
i know for non humanoid avatars you need baked animations, do i need that for my arms too?
tawny silo
Well chances are they would not
tawny zephyr
dang, ok
sweet topaz
Pupils are clipping into my character's scleras help
oblique cloud
guys
i have question
if i want to upload an avatar for a frienjd
how can i go about doing that?
tawny silo
Compress it
make sure you have the .unity
get him to unpack it
and click on the .unity
oblique cloud
will it have all the shaders and everything?
do i compress the project file or what?
main sage
got a picture of evidence / source what happens
oblique cloud
export package?
main sage
grand drum
nobody answered my question...do i need to weight paint for dynamic bone?
oblique cloud
im prertty sure dynamic bone is all automatic
grand drum
so i just put the bone and thats it?
oblique cloud
ye
oblique cloud
oh im not sure about that
grand drum
do i need to put a bone and weight paint it and put dynamic bone on unity?
sorry i dont mean to be annoying
oblique cloud
ok its in my documents
the assets and project
i ask him to go into unity
and open the project?
sinful spire
hey! I dont have the money for dynamic bones, so I was hoping to use cloth which comes with unity to allow the hair to move with the root, but i heard someone mention that cloth isnt really vrchat supported? is that true? My main issue though is that i cant find any tutorials on how to use cloth in unity ;-;
The tutorial I used was great for teaching me how to do eveything in blender, but I feel stuck just because i dont have 20 bucks to make things simpler(god i wish i had 20 bucks ive been working on this for days i just want a cute anime girl blease)
unkempt dome
@tawny silo I ran into the same issue, make sure your avatar is at scale 1 in blender and then move them so their feet are at the origin
tawny silo
Where is that?
tawny silo
it says his scale is all one
yep
everything looks right
is it because nothing is weighted?
if that is the case then why do my arms work
lament pulsar
Is "BustN" Bone okay to use for the chest? Or do I have to use "Spine_2" like most guides recommend? Pretty sure my model doesn't have a Spine_2
tropic roost
so im tryna make an animation for my avatars fingers but everytime i click off the keyframe, it reverts back
neon shard
Whelp, now my mouth is stuck opoen
tawny silo
neon shard
not even using the jaw, mapped or no
always open
using visemes
closed in unity
open always in game
sinful spire
thats so weird .o.
sinful spire
you didnt mess with any of the face keyframes?
near gull
These all share the "main texture," but is there any way to make these 3 have seperate colors of their own?
this is in unity btw
When I change one's color, it changes the other two
unkempt dome
this is going to sound ridiculous, but for some reason my avatar is backwards and the only way to fix it is to make the model and it's armiture face 180 degrees in opposite directions, but i've already weighted it and stuff, is there any way to sort of flip the armiture horizontally without redoing everything?
plucky terrace
does anybody know how to make your avatar go past the hieght or scale limit
like i see people with giant avatars and when i try it says too tall on one axis
sinful spire
maybe try scaling it up in unity?
are you doing that, or just changing its height in game
silent marlin
anyone know how to fix this? The bones look fine in blender, but that one leg is really messed up for some reason in unity
bronze island
Alright, finally a place where I can directly ask a few people.
I'm trying to learn how to get a custom avatar into this game, however I keep running into problems I'm unable to fix without someone who knows how to actually model and rig properly. For now I'd like help with two models, an N64 one and a Non-Humanoid one. I wanna start with the N64 one, as it being Humanoid somewhat I feel would be easier to do. So with that being said, I was following this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQG_a8AW1CI with the N64 Model of Mario. I came across the problem of the sides of his body would stick to and be stretched by his arms, and the bottom of his head would stick to his body. Can someone help me out with this?
daring wadi
guys
I can't find the vr c script
not sure if it belongs here
wait nevermind
im dumb
I didn't even import the sdk
lmao
feral spoke
Can someone help me understand why Unity is saying Spine Hierarchy missing elements? when everything is mapped on the model except "Upper chest", because there's no bone for it anyway?
silent marlin
is your bone hierarchy in Hips>Spine>Chest? Because it's really easy to overlook that
feral spoke
I'm guessing it's bad that there is no bone labeled Chest?
silent marlin
it helps for the convenience, but you don't necessarily need it named that
copper merlin
Hey guys, are there any alternative similar to Dynamic Bone that add physics to the model but is free??
feral spoke
There's one labeled Spine2 that is the spiky looking bone in the middle of the chest
cosmic mica
my avatar works fine but is floating 20 feet off the ground, is it because i stretched the bones a bit?
grave eagle
does anyone have experience of using a single bone for lip syncing?
fading verge
Not sure if this is a question to ask here. I opened the VRChat SDK build control panel and these 3 errors pop up. I checked the mapping and it looks fine. Any idea what's up?
crisp tendon
@fading verge Probably rename your bones
fading verge
What bones need to be renamed & to what?
crisp tendon
Is it a really tiny bone ?
crisp tendon
i can see the long foot bone, not the end one
and you shouldn't map the toe bone btw
fading verge
The end one is what's selected (Looking at the hierachy it says left ankle_end)
crisp tendon
it'll cause problems in app
fading verge
Ah, okay
crisp tendon
Same with jaw
fading verge
Jaw is front hair 2, with the back one being head
crisp tendon
Yeah if you don't have a proper usable jaw bone you want to unmap it
fading verge
On all of my models it's been that. What should it be mapped to?
crisp tendon
to nothing
silent marlin
been messing around with this for a bit in both blender and unity and still can't really figure out how to fix this
calm needle
looks like weight paint issue
silent marlin
that's what I thought too but
static iris
Hey how would I get valve rig models to blink and have lip syncing?
calm needle
there arent any hidden bones?
static iris
The eyes and mouth arent bones
silent marlin
there aren't any hidden bones to my knowledge, considering I rigged the model myself
it didn't have any bones like an hour ago
calm needle
since its manually rigged, that is odd
silent marlin
yeah, I know; that's why I'm really confused as to how the leg ended up getting so twisted and deformed
low tinsel
My model is missing the neck, l-shoulder and r-shoulder bones but everything else is there
How should I go in getting them?
near gull
Is it possible to change textures to parts that are already attached with a main texture? For example these 3 parts share the main texture and when I change one of them, it changes the rest. can I stop this?
calm needle
hmm, odd thought, is the dress getting picked up as a leg part?
silent marlin
I don't believe it is
calm needle
when you make changes the bones, are you overriding the old export or making a new file?
if you are overwriting, have you tried setting it back to generic and then humanoid again? i know i have to do that if i alter the bones of my models
silent marlin
I don't really overwrite it unless I noticed I messed up after saving it
chilly brook
hey how do you make the triple bone thingy that is in default rigs as the chest bone?
fading verge
@near gull create a new material, drag texture to albedo of new material, drag material with albedo to single mesh you want to change in 3d viewer
alternatively you can open up the body in inspector and assign textures through albedo by gonig through the different meshes
Deionxick scroll through all weigh tpaints
make sure no righ tleg paints are on the elft
@silent marlin
brisk mesa
so uh, how do you set up dynamic bone addon for Unity so that it only jiggles that one body part and not the whole body? lol
i've tried different 'root bones' and they seem to have the same effect >_>
fading verge
u need the $20 script
chilly brook
does anyone know how to make the triple bone?
silent marlin
yeah; there's no right leg paints on the left
lost briar
quick question from me if anyone can help. in unity, when i configure the rig, apply and click 'done', the changes aren't saving. ;-;
if i go back into configure, it's back to how it was before i made any changes.
clever hemlock
maybe try reseting it entirely, i had to a few times
lost briar
ah okay, will do.
clever hemlock
like for the animation type, hit none and then apply
and then go back to humanoid, apply, then configure
lost briar
i'll restart unity while i'm at it. sometimes that irons out weird stuff. i'll try what you said. thank you!
clever hemlock
np
So i've successfully setup my dynamic bones and they look fine in unity, but when i go in game it seems like the physics are all different and they look like they stutter when i walk sideways (hair specifically)? Any ideas?
lost briar
i've noticed that with mine as well, had to tweak it a bit. what's your inert value at
lost briar
ooh, try setting it to 0.2-0.4 ish and see if that helps.
clever hemlock
will do, if i can get my avatar to not show up red :/
lament pulsar
Anyone know a good way to rig avatars without uploading to mixamo? My model won't upload, despite exporting it as .fbx in blender, 3ds, etc.
silent marlin
so, apparently somehow the bone itself got twisted in rotation
chilly brook
@lament pulsar just gotta rig em urself
lament pulsar
@chilly brook Is it possible to do it in Unity? The only bone missing is "Spine_2"
chilly brook
i do it in blender
lament pulsar
Sounds good, thanks
fading verge
Can anyone help me 😦 got all the steps right, and then i get here:
and it gives me that weird error
when i click publish
fading verge
it says upload, but it never brings up the area to enter description after i click upload
torn isle
Click on game tab.
torn isle
You're saying that build publish doesn't do anything?
fading verge
yeah, it lets me click it and then it fills the green bar and finishes with that "mouse down error"
torn isle
I have no idea then. Haven't run into something like that.
fading verge
😦 and ive tried downloading, redownloading unity, all the files, and doing everything from scratch too
and i still get the same error
x.X
lost briar
i get it too occasionally, but it shouldn't stop you from uploading. mine didn't, anyhow
make sure you're set to Scene before clicking build+publish
fading verge
i never get the option to like add name or description so it won;t me upload it fully to vr chat 😦
neon bronze
Hey everyone,
I'm getting a message saying "LowerArm is not first child of UpperArm or Hand is not first child of LowerArm: you may have problems with forearm rotations"
Despite using CATS for that step it seemingly did something wrong I think, any ideas?
lost briar
yeah you just need to arrange the tree there so that Left elbow is the first thing under Left arm, and so on.
the armor's bumping it down to second place and that'll confuse it
neon bronze
Alright thanks I'll try that
lost briar
no worries. i'm still learning myself so if that didn't help feel free to call me out on it lol
neon bronze
Seems like it got rid of the error message, cheers
lost briar
👍
lament pulsar
Anyone know a good tutorial for adding bones in blender? I can't rig my avatar in mixamo since it won't upload
Or if anyone has the patience to step me through it, I would gladly appreciate it :x
timid ether
My avatar is half crouching on Idle. I seen this before on other avatars. How can I fix this?
peak stratus
gf is having an error where the SDK is saying that it cant edit the data while unity is running when she tries to publish/upload the avatar any idea how to fix this?
feral spoke
I've got a question about a playermodel i had to fix up a bit, I was able to get the model in game and tracking my body, but my feet go through the ground for one, and more importantly, my hands are tilted off by like 50 degrees, Like my hands are flat when i have my controllers IRL sitting up like my hands irl are sideways. Anybody know how to fix that?
neon bronze
So the entirity of my model is working except arm movements, The shoulders/upperarms move however the forearm and hands are basically locked in a straight position at all times.
I used CATS for the rigging.
Previously when prepping for upload I recieved the warning that since "LowerArm wasn't the first child of UpperArm and that since Hand wasn't the first child of LowerArm there may be problems with rotation." I moved the Elbow armor which had previously come before the Left/Right Elbows down out of the way and the error went away but the problem seemingly presists.
They seem to be mapped properly
unique agate
Hey guys. I'm having an issue with my character stuck in t-pose despite having the armature setup correctly.
Its Humanoid.
I'm at a loss.
any help would be appreciated
cosmic mica
quick question - the dot on my avatar descriptr isnt visible, i cant tell where it is what do i do?