Head mapped
#avatar-rigging
crude vortex
merry cape
thats okay, are you sure you're looking at the right model lol
crude vortex
No hands (knuckles model)
merry cape
Thats the only thing I can think of why it would say that
merry cape
that makes sense but that shouldnt break it in that way afaik
hey @hoary torrent, so you just went in and hit shift + c ?
crude vortex
but when I do that my model says it's fine but in reality has no animations in game
hoary torrent
in blender? ye
merry cape
is there more to it than that, or thats it?
hoary torrent
idk
merry cape
I'm certain this could be why my other character is set in the ground for no reason
hollow drift
So here's what CATS does
It makes this bone above the eye, and then rotates the eye according to it
topaz dune
look's bad tho
viscid jewel
ok guys... this is fucking me over... can someone help me with properly rigging a model?
cats automatic fixes don't seem to work
"spine hierarchy missing elements make sure that pelvis spine chest neck and shoulders are mapped" is what unity tells me
apparently something is wrong with the shoulders and i just can't figure out what it is and how to fix it
and i've been trying to fix it for 1 1/2 weeks now
hoary torrent
@topaz dune nope, didn't work......
viscid jewel
if someone would be willing to help me that would be great
topaz dune
it can be so meany probs.....
hoary torrent
what else could it be?
topaz dune
did you change the models position to 0,0,0 in unity? i see at one of the old pic you avatar is floating in the air
hoary torrent
yes, it's at 0,0,0 now and on the floor perfectly.
it doesnt say the avatar is below the floor anymore either
topaz dune
so that's one problem that has been sovled. now just what makes the weiv position so low...
hoary torrent
because the viewpoint is at the eyes, idk what else i could do lmao
is there a way to move the origin point up?
in blender?
towards the eyes?
hollow drift
Well there's the "Set Origin" button
crisp tendon
Your eye bone should be at eye level, same as viewpoint
hoary torrent
yeah i already done that.
hollow drift
Set 3D cursor to where you want origin to
cosmic swan
anyone know why my avatar shows up as a red hologram in game?
brisk bane
ey so i got something maybe a little advanced. im trying to attach the Body textures to the armature, but when i do "Ctl + J" it gives me "no mesh data to join"
hoary torrent
it is at eye level
brisk bane
@cosmic swan servers are having issues.
cosmic swan
ooh okay ty.
cosmic barn
Anyone here good with dynamic bones?
hollow drift
Damn, the lattices don't work when the eyes turn
modest tusk
Eren try attaching meshes to armature via parenting (ctrl + p)
cosmic swan
damn i really wanted to see my first avatar T.T
cosmic barn
@cosmic swan The red hologram means thers an error in your avatar
Blue hologram is server lag
brisk bane
ayyyyyyyyy
crisp tendon
Red is server issue too
cosmic swan
it would still let me build it if i had errors?
brisk bane
i tried doing that manually but it just wouldnt give me the option, totally forgot about CTL+P. thanks again ak<3
topaz dune
@brisk bane ctrl+ j is to merge all objects, it has nothing to do with texture
crisp tendon
Depends on the errors, some won't let you publish
brisk bane
yeah i was just bein a stoop
hoary torrent
i'm giving up on this avatar, nothing can fix the viewpoint. :/
cosmic swan
i fixed my parenting then it was able to let me upload.
crisp tendon
Ctrl + p is probably what you're looking for ?
crimson timber
Rubick is best hero
crisp tendon
Accurate
cosmic barn
@cosmic swan afaik its a shader error or something
devout isle
I've been having a similar issue to Eren's if someone can help,I've attached meshes to my armeture but the mesh completely disappears from object mode and only shows up from edit mode,any idea how to fix it?
brisk bane
Can you give screenshots?
crisp tendon
Press Ctrl + H ? @devout isle
devout isle
No nothing is hiding I made sure of that already
crisp tendon
It'd alt ? My bad
hollow drift
I can't quite get how to make the eye not pop out of the socket, but the way I was trying to make my eye might've been wrong too
crisp tendon
Are you viewing the mesh in solid mode ?
modest tusk
When you parented the texture to the armature, did you select the armature then the texture or the texture then the armature? Order matters
crisp tendon
Press Z
devout isle
Nothing happens when pressing z
crisp tendon
I don't think you have a mesh then
devout isle
I selected the mesh then the armature
crisp tendon
Or your mesh is somewhere out of your screen
hollow drift
Do I just have to make the eye completely round
devout isle
In the scene I can see the mesh under IdleSkeleton
hollow drift
though it seemed to pop out of socket even then
devout isle
but not on the scene itself
hollow drift
It's just minor movement but still, it'd be nice if it spun around the very center
modest tusk
You have to fiddle with the position of the eye bone relative to the eye @hollow drift
Ideally you want it in the very center
crisp tendon
@hollow drift yeah the bone dictates the rotation
modest tusk
Pointed up
crisp tendon
That's why it's easier with an eyeball
modest tusk
You still want to put it in the object's center, it's just easier to discern a center with a sphere/half sphere
hoary torrent
@topaz dune I FIXED IT!! i changed the model figure from female to male and it works now!
hollow drift
Right
hoary torrent
idk why that affected it tho..
hollow drift
but either top or bottom moves back or forward nevertheless
with this eye shape
I don't think it's physically possible to make that not happen
modest tusk
You could also try messing with the bone's scaling
topaz dune
there has been some issue with the female, but i'm sure it's being worked on
hollow drift
oh yeah
Damn I should've thought of that earlier
not that I have any idea how to make it anyway
hoary torrent
well im happy now thank god
i think im just gonna keep using male from now on
i did hear from somewhere female has some bugs too
modest tusk
thot-b-gon
merry cape
Wait pingu that solved it?
hoary torrent
yep!
merry cape
Weird I’ll try that too
brisk bane
Vrchat doesnt allow thots
devout isle
So took a pic of how the scene is set up and under idle skeleton my mesh is showing but only in edit mode,in object mode it completely disappears .Any ideas on what to do?
topaz dune
@hollow drift problem's increasing the size of the bone?
hollow drift
I have no idea anymore
Could it just be the center of the eye isn't at the center of it
How would I even fix that
topaz dune
select it and press s to scale
brisk bane
@devout isle do ALT+H
and also idk if that view is intentional but if you press NUM-0 then itll fix things
modest tusk
@devout isle try going into edit mode, selecting all of the mesh, and hitting CTRL + N
You have to keep playing with it Rezzie
devout isle
@brisk bane Yeah it actually made everything disappear after rpessing 0
meager kiln
can I stop my character from moving knees if I will add a rotation limit?
hollow drift
red line is where the pupil etc are in the original position
brisk bane
thats odd..
devout isle
@modest tusk I've hit Ctrol+N but there are multiple options to choose from
modest tusk
What are the options?
glad jolt
Someone told me I should come to this discord if I'm poor and searching for dynamic bones 
modest tusk
@hollow drift are you rotating the eye by itself or via the bone paired to it?
devout isle
@modest tusk Active bone,view axis,cursor, and alot of local and global tangents to choose from
hollow drift
@modest tusk Via rotating to do that just now
meager kiln
what is a rest position and how do i disable it?
modest tusk
@hollow drift don't try rotating it by itself. Parent it to an eye bone and work from there because then you can influence the axis of rotation
hollow drift
if I rotate via bone it kind of works I suppose, but only if I make the eye spherical again
I wanted it to be flattened in which case it won't rotate around its "center" completely because the top and bottom will want to move
modest tusk
If you don't want to rotate about the center then you should definitley rotate it around an eye bone
topaz dune
@devout isle if you press ctrl+z enough times you might be able un*uck
modest tusk
@devout isle you're not doing something correct. You should go into edit mode, select all of the meshes by hitting A twice, then while your mouse is still inside the same window the mesh is, press CTRL + N
hollow drift
opal cliff
hollow drift
See this is the problem
If the eye isn't spherical it turns like that
Now if you look there you sort of see what I want
devout isle
@modest tusk Well not sure what i did wrong but I could just start over,I have a save from before I tried to join the mesh and armeture,since when i select the mesh and press CTRL+N i still just get alot of options to choose from with no idea what to do
modest tusk
Are you in edit mode woofington?
devout isle
yes
odd void
Okay, my most recent model (which I will buy assets for later because it requires dynamic bones) somehow got messed up when I rigged it, and now whenever it moves its head it gets distorted in the facial region
fervent jasper
just a random question. Is it possible to have too many bones on a model? if you dont mix weights on long hair bones / long shirts / etc, does anything actually happen ingame?
topaz dune
ah, @hollow drift make an iris, yeah that'll fix it
modest tusk
I'm not sure what's wrong then Woofington
devout isle
ah
crisp tendon
@fervent jasper It can impact performance, but not by a great deal afaik, still better to optimize
hollow drift
@topaz dune You uh got a good guide for that?
devout isle
Well guess I'll just load it before i connected the mesh to the armeture,mind guiding the steps since when I did it I messed up somewhere?
topaz dune
never had the problem myself, so i never looked it up, but it'll easy to find something that might help
devout isle
@modest tusk ok so I have the mesh and armeture seperated right now,first I have to make the pose position of the armeture the resting position as well right?
hollow drift
The guide uses a lattice as well, will that work even once exported?
devout isle
1 sec
odd void
Okay so I found a good reference picture for what happens when I look up using the model I am trying to work on
topaz dune
praise the sun!!
oblique cloud
wow do you guys help people with rigging?
modest tusk
Need to adjust weight painting on that model @odd void
I'm probably going to make a tutorial on basic avatar rigging this weekend but I can help, yes
oblique cloud
I rig in blender with cats
modest tusk
I do it manually
hollow drift
ERMAHGERD I JUST HAD TO MAKE LATTICE BE AFTER ARMATURE
odd void
Good, because I need to learn rigging properly
oblique cloud
I can do it too, just takes a bit more time
devout isle
@modest tusk here it is in the pose position,the rest position is different from it though
oblique cloud
does blender have dynamic bones or is that only in unity?
modest tusk
Show me the armature with the mesh
You still need to apply the bones in blender
Dynamic bones is just the script that makes it work in unity
modest tusk
Depends on what it is
oblique cloud
i'm trying to add 2d animation for my mouth, like a viseme and i have it pretty much set up
right
but in game
when i talk it doesn't animate the mouth
meager kiln
what is a rest position and how do i disable it?(blender
devout isle
@modest tusk Here's the mesh with the armeture in pose position
topaz dune
yeah, i read what a lattice is, aaaand i'm pritty sure you dont want to use it
oblique cloud
on unity when i set the value of the keyframe i use for an openmouth it doesn't show up till the value is at around 90
do i need to extend it more out
in blender?
modest tusk
@devout isle you may want to remake your armature to fit with your mesh in the position it currently is. I see a lot of clipping already.
@oblique cloud I haven't actually dealt with visemes/face rigging too much yet. Plan on digging into it this weekend. Unfortunately can't help you there (yet)
oblique cloud
ah ok
its really cool
but its only 2d that i'm talking about so ye
you just use textures basically
opal cliff
How would I fix this error? I think the spine hierarchy is correct and everything is rigged properly.
oblique cloud
you need to set it as humanoid when rigging
modest tusk
^
devout isle
@modest tusk Like this then?
topaz dune
oooh, no, yeah @hollow drift it's a tool to deform an object, never used it before. but i'll find just the right guid
oblique cloud
@devout isle that looks better
oblique cloud
@devout isle as long as u put the bones into the mesh
hollow drift
Well I was using lattice until now
oblique cloud
yes aperture
opal cliff
It is like that.
oblique cloud
click configure and if its all green click apply and okay
it may glitch sometimes
so just redo that step
opal cliff
All is green.
modest tusk
Woofington as a general rule of thumb you want your armature to looks pretty damn close to what a skeleton would look like for that model. Joints where joints would be, etc
modest tusk
I don't have experience with non-humanoid armatures though so I can only help so much
devout isle
I've been able to attach the armeture to a mesh already when in rest position
but not in pose position
Since that armeture has a animation and I want to attach the mesh to make sure it looks fine
opal cliff
try what? @oblique cloud
oblique cloud
try to upload it after you've reconfigured and applied etc
topaz dune
@hollow drift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ozlmgvesc
oblique cloud
it a glitch that may happen
hollow drift
????? that's lattice as well
but probably a better guide because that one I found was awful
topaz dune
it'll give an understanding of what lattice is, what you do with it is up to you
devout isle
@modest tusk So yeah the pose position has the animation but the rest position doesn't,I'm trying to add meshes to the pose position to show the animation with the mesh instead of just the bone
modest tusk
You mean the armature has animation?
hollow drift
@topaz dune Yeah my biggest problem literally was that Armature modifier had to be before Lattice
modest tusk
You're going to have really wonky mesh movement if you parent that armature to the mesh you have there. The joints aren't where they need to be, some bones are outside the model, etc
devout isle
hm
modest tusk
You have to change something
Usually you work with the mesh first
Then build the armature around that
Then the animation around the combined pair
Things get rather hairy when you dont work on them in that order
hollow drift
But I'm still confused why the eye bones by CATS get added way above the eyes
modest tusk
@hollow drift That's why it's good not to rely on automating software
topaz dune
you can move the eye bone down so it fits the eyes.
hollow drift
I was just expecting cats to like
work
I wouldn't be using it if I hadn't been told how great it is
topaz dune
haha no way hosay, Cats may help, but it's no where near a perfect program.
the problem is the program dont see the way we do and just does what it's told
you can move the hips up in unity. it can fix it
merry cape
ian I have the same issue with one of mine
Still haven’t figured it out yet
But is it set as a female?
Move the hips up?
Can you elaborate
fading verge
Hey guys, how would i rig a character that isnt human? I'm really new to all this aha
topaz dune
does it have 4 legs or something @fading verge
merry cape
Ohhh I see
livid raft
hey guys ill pay someone 5 bucks to fix my spine hierarchy
merry cape
Make it $50 and you’ve got a deal
modest tusk
500$ final offer
livid raft
boi im poor
topaz dune
hmm it'll be pricy but i'll say for free.
livid raft
it should take like 2 minutes if you know what you are doing
modest tusk
Let me see the model
brisk bane
doesnt the pinned video teach you?
modest tusk
I wasn't going to demand payment either way
livid raft
you guys want the fbx?
topaz dune
yeah
modest tusk
fbx or blend file will work
fading verge
Would anyone know why the build and publish button is greyed out?
topaz dune
discord ins't very good with blender. the files are too thick.
modest tusk
lul
left hound
how to rig? xD
livid raft
in league game gimme a sec
pure veldt
Question. If I have an avatar setup with 2 humanoid skeletons, mapped to a humanoid rig in unity, does VRChat read them both and animate/track them?
modest tusk
Shlummie this model has far more issues than just the incorrect spine. I'm defaulting back to our 500$ agreement
modest tusk
Nah im just messing
teal spruce
How can i make to keep the bones and joining the 2 meshes ?
topaz dune
A select all and ctrl + j to join all meshes it wont change the assaigned bones
modest tusk
@livid raft will you be using this in VR or normal mode or...?
crude vortex
Can I skip shoulders?
livid raft
normal
narrow ermine
When I use CATs tool to atlas, all these buttons, the bow, and the chain for the whisle thingy all turn light blue. Is there any way to avoid this?
fervent hatch
do any of you know how to make the armature of a model invisible for a moment? I'm actually jsut trying to take screenshots of a model
topaz dune
you can turn off the x-ray if you have it on.
topaz dune
select the bones and go to your tool bar on the right and https://gyazo.com/10c0176020dc64c415ae5b34307ed11f
modest tusk
In the bottom right window, scroll down until you see the x-ray. toggle off.
fervent hatch
should they be under a specific tab?
modest tusk
@livid raft https://puu.sh/yYzXb/8ae9a761dd.blend
devout isle
@modest tusk I've fixed the issue now ty for helping,had to go back into the original nif files and change things from a older version of blender
modest tusk
Interesting. What was wrong?
fervent hatch
this is what I see
devout isle
so
livid raft
ak3120 should i just export as fbx?
modest tusk
Either as fbx or unity actually works with .blends too
devout isle
I had to connect the armeture via bone heating
livid raft
oh ok cool
hollow drift
Oh hey CATS crashed my Blender again
devout isle
The mesh only connects to the armeture via bone heating it seems
fervent hatch
@modest tusk am I missing something? because I don't see it
devout isle
so after doing that the animation plays with the mesh perfectly
topaz dune
@fervent hatch https://gyazo.com/10c0176020dc64c415ae5b34307ed11f
once you have selected the bones, that's all you have to look for
modest tusk
Kind of what Niko is doing but on the side panel select the button that looks like a blue dude t-posing
There should be an x-ray checkbox in there
Check that off
In the same panel you were looking for look above everything
Should be a group of buttons
An earth, a photo, a bone
And a blue dude
hollow drift
The eyes hardly turn at all with the CATS thing
I think they would turn more if I didn't have to move them inside the eyes
Maybe I'll just do the whole thing manually
topaz dune
@hollow drift if you do so here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BvX_OdEilbJ7wEcvd5MRA1g29NGCAp3G3nHGp73t_CQ/edit#
wild arch
question...... everything appears normal in blender and unity... but when i bring my avatar into the game, her toenails exist outside of her shoes?
modest tusk
Simple fix would be deleting the toenails if you never plan on having them ever be seen
fervent hatch
@topaz dune let me see if I can select all the bones, thanks
wild arch
true
modest tusk
I still want the 1st iteration of the knuckles avatar
It was so much better than this newer generation
livid raft
hey @modest tusk why isnt the texture there anymore?
heady forge
: http://a.pomf.cat/jqszoh.jpg anyone know how I could fix this?
topaz dune
just reapply them in unity
topaz dune
mabye join the intire mesh will fix it?
cold shuttle
Is there a way to change a models viewpoint from in unity? Or do I have to go back to blender
modest tusk
You use the avatar descriptor in unity
cold shuttle
Cause in game the camera is from under my avatar
topaz dune
what gender did you select for the avatar? @cold shuttle
that's the vertex showing throug the mesh?
timber python
yep
topaz dune
@timber python well they are not visible in the game or if you aint working on the mesh
timber python
i just made it skin color
seems to look fine
i bet it's for expressions
like blush and such
spring heart
there a tutorial on how to get creatures (such as scooby) into vrchat? I have dragon but dont want it to walk on back legs all the time. I've seen someone got scooby to stay on all fours.
topaz dune
well do you have a tool panel with shape keys for the expressions some where?
topaz dune
@teal spruce looks like you are missing some weight paint on you model
spring heart
on right under the list
the shape keys will be in that list, if you click the upsidedown triangle
cold shuttle
@topaz dune I picked female
topaz dune
The female option has a few problem atm, try and choose male instead.
cold shuttle
Okay is there also a way to force back to default avatar? As the one on my game atm i can't get into the menu
fading verge
oh it was scrolled up
crude vortex
it's not moving with my knuckle's head
topaz dune
you have to redo the avatar options or maby Ruuubick knows if you can change things at unity and it'll update the avatar @cold shuttle
hidden rapids
anyone know how that kinda famous can of beans avatar was made? i'm trying to do something similar but apparently i need a head and it's distorting the model
topaz dune
@crude vortex add the nose to the head bones weight paint
@hidden rapids you can make an object inside the can, and add it to the head bone.
crude vortex
TY
topaz dune
Yw
hidden rapids
@topaz dune i'd try but i rely on mixamo for my bones, so i hope that's doable in unity xd
im horrible with blender
topaz dune
you gotta get used to blender, it fixses all your problems.
topaz dune
there are meany problems using mixamo for rigging. there are loads of problem with mesh if the program chooses the wrong vertex's to the wrong bones
I dont know the issue, but you can fix it by using shape key's instead/ visemes
summer sequoia
is there any way to make a model that has no feet bones not sink into the ground
this model has ankle bones but they don't acctually cause the model to use their feet
topaz dune
shape keys are all mesh controlled
@summer sequoia try and move the hips up a bit in unity
summer sequoia
ok
fading verge
Can someone help me please?
http://prntscr.com/hyqsp0
I've got an issue apperantly, it's giving me this error.
http://prntscr.com/hyqs77
Thanks 😃
topaz dune
@fading verge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlf959QT9VI&t=9s if you need some info
@crude vortex looks like a bad case of weight paint gone wrong
fading verge
Can someone help me please?
http://prntscr.com/hyqsp0
I've got an issue apperantly, it's giving me this error.
http://prntscr.com/hyqs77
Thanks 😃
topaz dune
@fading verge you have to rearange the bones
crude vortex
Niko, what's the best way to reset weight paint?
topaz dune
if you see what i do here, i go to edit mode. select all the vertex and unasseign the weight paint https://gyazo.com/350bcf06d676181f288c7f08f666d5a1
teal spruce
@topaz dune I already do the weight painting
cold shuttle
@topaz dune I swapped it to male, and re-published. THe camera is still at the feet. I should probably bring the model back into blender then right? Or can i change the viewpoint in Unity?
topaz dune
you can change the weiw point at unity. but if it dosent work, try mabye change the origin of the model and what not
cedar sequoia
Where can I go to pay someone to rig a model for me?
teal spruce
cold shuttle
Like, i have my model at 0.0.0, and the view position at 0,0,0. So i must have to change my origin
teal spruce
Only the hairs are bugged
cedar sequoia
@modest tusk I'll pm you
crude vortex
that's a lot of bones
topaz dune
first if it hasnt been done. reparent the hair bone to the head bone.
teal spruce
I have taken the hair from an other mode l
And i have tried to join the 2
I parent the bones and i make weight paint
topaz dune
i can think of one thing that clound have gone wrong. is the weight paint assaigned to the right bones?
eternal pond
I ported a model over but his toes are wonky. They flow freely for some reason.
teal spruce
I assigned to the head
topaz dune
you can remove the toe bones, you dont need them unless you added an animaiton to them
eternal pond
Gotcha. That'd be in Blender, right?
topaz dune
yeah
modest tusk
np
eternal pond
What about his mouth hanging open? Is that a Blender issue or Unity? @topaz dune
livid raft
i might have to ask you to fix other models lmao
fading verge
which group do I ask regarding to a error with bone's?
topaz dune
something made in blender mabye got assainged wrong in unity.
here would be the bone problem
@eternal pond if you use a jaw flap or a viseme that could be assaigned wrong
eternal pond
I could assign the toes in Unity but I get parenting issues.
fading verge
https://gyazo.com/d2e02e7fb04b0e356917edd14de91a70
https://gyazo.com/c1f1934b9f68f57042592549408b09b0
I don't read japanese so Idk what's going on
eternal pond
I'm using visemes
topaz dune
@fading verge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0ljQ6hU0A get Cats
coral oar
Hey, I'm having a Unity issue, and I have no idea why it's happening. I can't configure the rig for any avatar in the editor; it used to work, but for seemingly no reason in particular, clicking the "Configure..." button to set bones just causes Unity to hang for a few seconds, then select the avatar in the project folders without actually opening it to edit. This happens with any model, even ones that used to work fine. I've completely uninstalled and reinstalled Unity, as well as created a new Project, and it's still happening.
fading verge
are bone suppose to look like this? (fbx file)
topaz dune
@teal spruce mind taking pic of your weight paint and bone hierarchy?
fading verge
topaz dune
yes, that is the correct shape.
the size is a little big tho. select the bones go to edit mode and select the bone
then press s to scale the size
@coral oar try and ask in developmend-advanced i think it's unity that is giving you trouble
coral oar
Yeah, this doesn't seem like a VRChat issue. it's awfully frustrating, though...
eternal pond
Hey Niko, you ever get Unity telling you that there's hierarchy issues even though you did it right?
topaz dune
wish i could help you, but i'm only trained in blender
topaz dune
@eternal pond that is a blender/unity problem
hazy ridge
So Im having a lil bito trouble with my model. It works fully fuctional in VRchat, everythings rigged except mouth, but....his nose blocks the entire screen
crude vortex
Whenever I move around on the timeline it snaps back to this, ignoring any chages I made to the animation.
Any ideas?
topaz dune
@crude vortex there is a animations channel try and ask there
fading verge
wat do i do here to get the spine into the chest? https://gyazo.com/9f1457822b686104cff32feb5f881c29
idk what to look up,. is there a vid for this ?
topaz dune
toe bone isnt that great, meany ppl are removeing it when they use vr
eternal pond
Is there an easy way to explain how to do it?
topaz dune
select the bone in edit mode press x and delete. and repaint the foot bone to the toe area
eternal pond
You rock, thank you.
hazy ridge
How do I add bones? Specifically Eye and Mouth
oblique cloud
Y do ppl usually remove feet or toe bone
topaz dune
select bones, got to edit mode- shift + a and you will create a new bone
@oblique cloud yeah, the issue with the hight scale, makes you stand on your toes
cold shuttle
@topaz dune I went into blender and changed the origin point to the head, and the camera is still under the body.
oblique cloud
What do you mean his nose blocks the screen?
Make sure your camera is set accordingly
With an absurdly large nose like that
eternal pond
I'd really just like to assign the toes and not have to go into blender again but Unity REFUSES to save the hierarchy
oblique cloud
You may need to set the camera to be above it
cold shuttle
Does anyone else have any other advice if the avatar in game has the camera on the feet. Even after i changed the viewpoint, and went into Blender and changed the origin point
modest tusk
the position of the descriptor is eye level on the model, yes?
oblique cloud
Ya ak if u look
cold shuttle
oh shit no. I have character on 0,0,0 and viewpoint on 0,0,0
oblique cloud
It's between the eyes
modest tusk
😃
oblique cloud
Lmao frendo
topaz dune
badabing fix
modest tusk
Its the simple things that get ya
topaz dune
nah most ppl here i think are new to blender
modest tusk
Too much of a babby to try to get my feet wet with animating the face
oblique cloud
Ye I had camera issues in blender too
cold shuttle
THe only issue i have left then is that the mouth just hangs open, WHich is also probably an ez fix
oblique cloud
Hangs open?
topaz dune
yeaaaah. do you use a jaw bone?
cold shuttle
I used Mixamo to rig it
oblique cloud
There is no way to add tracking eyes to a 2d texture correct?
topaz dune
if you want lip sync. use blender to make shape keys
oblique cloud
Niko do u know anything about 2d viceemes?
topaz dune
My biggest problem is the eye tracking. i feel like i'm doning everything right, but i cant make it work
@oblique cloud tutorial coming your way
oblique cloud
I have all shape keys set up for different mouth openings
limber compass
Yo i'm having issue with bones not saving after adding them to a rig - anyone know the issue?
oblique cloud
Like oh and normally
oblique cloud
And it shows up in unity but only after I set the value to around 90
So I don't see my mouth move when I talk 90% of the time
topaz dune
this will help.
oblique cloud
Do I need to bring it out more on the model?
topaz dune
no, it something about when you make the viseme. where you put the face expressions and the start strengh and end strengh of the shape key
hazy ridge
Is there a way to cull out a characters nose when in first person?
merry cape
Does anyone know why when I stop walking my character shifts to the side a little bit?
they just like move their arms a little in a weird way
cold shuttle
Got it in the right place, but its actually scary af. Its unblinking, mouth wide open and like 9 feet tall. LOL
topaz dune
@odd plaza it looks bad, and i would figure out what is not supposed to be there. or let the client remove it
odd plaza
I was just trying to add an image to my model but I guess i'll have to remove it
odd plaza
i'll give it a shot thanks
topaz dune
Yw
fading verge
I'm adding some external shoulderpads to my model. what should I add them to, the shoulder bone or chest bone?
eternal pond
I can't get rid of these toe bones. ._.
fading verge
topaz dune
if it's like armor, go for shoulders bones
cold shuttle
Does the VRchat animation defaults not have blinking for the eyes? or did i screw something royally
fading verge
@cold shuttle Eithor your eyes are not mapped correctly, or, you deleted the shape key on the face
topaz dune
@eternal pond hmm should be easy, they are the last part of the bones and dont cours any problem when removed
warm gazelle
HELP. all bones besides BreastUpper2_L and BreastUpper2_R move with the materials. When in play mode, the bone seems to be moving with the dynamic bone script, but not the material or mesh ur wut ever...
eternal pond
@topaz dune I mean I can't figure out how to get into edit mode. 😛
topaz dune
tab
warm gazelle
tab @eternal pond
eternal pond
Gotcha. And what button deletes the bone when selected?
topaz dune
x
oblique cloud
@cold shuttle depends if the model had an animation for them
warm gazelle
or the delete key on the keyboard
brisk mesa
i use the delete button
topaz dune
ctrl+z if you make a upsis
eternal pond
Weird. I click delete bone after pressing X and it does nothing.
brisk mesa
@warm gazelle it sounds like you didn't assign vertex groups of your mesh to your titty bones
or parent it correctly or whatever
brisk mesa
lol
warm gazelle
I have a root but I guess something went wrong :/
topaz dune
HAHAHA
brisk mesa
you can make dynamic ass too
oblique cloud
lmao
warm gazelle
unity
warm gazelle
I acquired mine without a fee 😉
eternal pond
Lmao one of them goes and the other just won't cooperate
warm gazelle
a friend bought it for me and gave it to me through ts.. not a big deal tbh
brisk mesa
i hope you made a model for him with titty bones
oblique cloud
yes titty bones are life
oblique cloud
lmfaoo
warm gazelle
lacking exclusions XD
brisk mesa
lol
desert crater
So right now I'm trying to make the arms of my avatar static, do I need to remove the animations in Unity or do I need to edit something in blender?
oblique cloud
u use dynamic bone plugin?
desert crater
Negative
desert crater
Specifically in this case I'm having my avatar reach out at a piano
So ideally the leg animations and such would stay
oblique cloud
mk
fickle sand
Is there a Fix for Unity (5.6.3p1) crashing when importing SDK?
oblique cloud
im not sure of an exact way to stop unity from animating it when you rig it
so unless u can delete the bones
and make the mesh of the arms
stay up in the air
reaching the piano
then i'm not sure
oblique cloud
ah okay
brisk mesa
god i hate weight painting so much
desert crater
GLHF
topaz dune
@brisk mesa same
deep hollow
i cant seem to get the view in the right place
is there a tutorial on placing the view position?
cause every avatar ive done has had a fucked view
crude crag
@deep hollow does placing it just in front of the eyes not work?
topaz dune
pic's?
topaz dune
wohoh, you are scaling you model way to high
deep hollow
hes a small boy
eternal pond
Deleting the toes from my model fucks the feet up. 😦
I'm gonna have to work with them I think.
deep hollow
wuh
topaz dune
yeah, you gotta repaint.
deep hollow
the view thingy is still miles away
ive done the repostitioning for a bunch of different avatars and its been incorrect each time
topaz dune
plz lemon change the scale's of you'r avatar to 0.8,0.8,0.8
deep hollow
im trying to see if it starts above your avatar's model normally
topaz dune
and set the weiw point to 0. 68 or something
fading verge
we should stop calling people who only rig and import models "modelers"....it does a disservice to the ones who actually spend the painstaking weeks making every vertex perfect
crude crag
call em converters 😛
topaz dune
yeah, they are trying to convert model to vrchat.
well i would only call some a modeler if he made a model from the start
cosmic mica
i have a silly situation, just made a luigi avatar but i cant see passed his nose and if i move the avatar descripter passed his nose his arms are then held straight out cause the center is messed up. Is there a way for me to make his head model invisible just to myself?
fading verge
I literally have no clue what 2do
topaz dune
@cosmic mica can you take a pic?
hollow drift
What are these about and why don't they seem to affect anything
cosmic mica
sure, hold on, it takes a while to get a pic.
topaz dune
@fading verge this can give you insight as what you can do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2MGttB1E7U&t=138s
topaz dune
@hollow drift what are those?
hollow drift
Unity, muscles and settings
topaz dune
so dynamic bones?
winged zinc
ok so my avatar was working and my view was too high up so i went to fix it and when i did it suddenly didnt work in vrchat it became a red hologram thing any ideas why and how i can fix
hollow drift
When you're choosing which bone is which part in the body, you can go to second tab to try out adjusting restraints for the muscles, and there's additional settings like that, I dunno
merry cape
maybe it doesnt work with vrchat
topaz dune
it might tell how wild you want the dynamic bones to move
hollow drift
When you click on your model in Assets
topaz dune
ueeeh, i dont like that..
hollow drift
and go to Configure
oblique cloud
Yeah
brisk mesa
lol it looks like a compound fracture
oblique cloud
LOL
hollow drift
What's that about connecting bones
I haven't connected all bones, just parented
Like fingers to hand
topaz dune
haha
brisk mesa
well in blender you can select a bone and go to the right options and in the little bone symbol menu, there's a "parent" textbox
i just do that for all limbs
the only bones i haven't connected are titty and ass bones
oblique cloud
What's wrong now
brisk mesa
dang unity won't even lemme load my Arnice-sama, fuq
topaz dune
nah i think you misunderstood @hollow drift we are talking about june's model
oblique cloud
Arnice-sama
hollow drift
Yeah I know I was just curious about it since
oblique cloud
LMFAO
hollow drift
I have unconnected bones too
topaz dune
not to worry you can have all the bones disconncted, as long as they are paranted there wont be an issue. Plz fix me if i'm wrong
cosmic mica
@topaz dune nevrmind i fixed it, i moved it farther back in his head and it corrected it
topaz dune
nice
cosmic mica
Is there a way to align the hands differently to the controller? its annoying that the avatar hands are at the base of my controllers, makes it difficult for propper hand movement.
topaz dune
that's off my table. there might a tool that sets the controllers where you want them to be
oblique cloud
Can't wait to buy VR and play with my tits
odd bronze
how do i add shape keys/visemes for 3d mouths? https://i.imgur.com/VmVoWzs.png
cosmic mica
i notice the occulus controllers have a different hand alignment, hope im not stuck with what the vive has for its settings
oblique cloud
There is a tutorial
topaz dune
@odd bronze https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlf959QT9VI&t=9s
mental stream
Im having a pretty bad issue with one of my models, in unity it looks fine but once put in the game there are a lot of physics issues, eyes popping out of head or not being visable, hair moving all over, etc. Deleting bones seems to work but a few of the necissary ones are part of the problem. any ideas? (Note: its an XPS imported into blender using a plugin, then converted to FBX, also I do not have dynamic bones)
oblique cloud
His face
topaz dune
looks like his asking, if he has to be in that tutorial
mental stream
I mean it looks absolutely hilarious but its still not what im looking for lol
sharp raptor
can someone help me with visemes and eye blinking
brisk mesa
eye and hair need to be properly assigned to that head bone, cause my model also had her face, eyes, hair move all over the weird place
you didn't check with the pose mode
crude vortex
Loading it results in this
brisk mesa
you appear to be knuckles erryday
topaz dune
@sharp raptor look a little futher up the chat chain there is a good tutorial
obtuse seal
how many ussr knuckles do you need
sharp raptor
okay
crude vortex
Just different versions
topaz dune
Enough to take over eu
crude vortex
brisk mesa
it fixed it, also i reassigned to head bone properly.
oblique cloud
USSR knuckles takes over USA (colorized) 2018
brisk mesa
basically the face and hair for me and eyes were being "dragged" and influenced by other shit
obtuse seal
lmao
mental stream
Yeah that sounds about right, it happens a lot more dramatically when I sprint then stop
topaz dune
@brisk mesa i dont know why but the last part was halarous
brisk mesa
that's cause i humorously jiggled her head bone xd
i was going 'hue hue hue hue' irl as i moved her
mental stream
Lmfao
topaz dune
hahahaha
fickle sand
Do we need a specific version of Blender? or will the most recent ver. do?
topaz dune
@fickle sand just the most recent
fickle sand
Ty Niko
brisk mesa
i think cat's plugin is fine with latest blender
swift radish
Does anyone have a solution or converter for models that have .obj and bone files?
topaz dune
well if you have blender you can move it there and change it
oblique cloud
import the obj into blender
graceful edge
I tried uploading my model but I got this message, can anyone help?
oblique cloud
export as fbx
oblique cloud
i auto rigged
topaz dune
@graceful edge deselect the upper chest in the rig menu
brisk mesa
auto-rigging gave me cancer when it messed up my arnice-sama
and then i spent... the last week on her manually
mental stream
is there a way to delete bone straight in unity? I think I found the issue and Id rather not have to go back into blender and redo all the mapping
light wedge
did u check the weight painting @brisk mesa
swift radish
Deleting bones in configuration just kicks me out of configuration mode for me
mental stream
whenever I hit delete it just takes me back to the view mode and undos it
yeah same vex
swift radish
Yeah that^
oblique cloud
lool
brisk mesa
yea i don't need to weight paint, i hated doing that, so i assigned everything and she actually came with like... different mesh bits so i was liek FUUUUUU
i'm fine now except Unity crashes upon importing her :V
SHE'S TOO BEAUTIFUL I GUESS
mental stream
Lmfao
topaz dune
@brisk mesa you need to learn ctrl+j
brisk mesa
earlier upon import, Unity messed up her hair and skirt mesh, ripped holes in it lolll
nono i definitely did that all already
i even strategically joined hair to hair, -some- clothing to clothing, leg bits to boots
brisk mesa
nope.avi
topaz dune
feelsbadman
brisk mesa
i still feel satisfied somehow
topaz dune
well i'm sure you learn a few tricks.
tricks like it's easyier to make your own model.
graceful edge
I'm new to unity so I don't even know how to deselect, I don't see an option to
mental stream
this is both hilarious and mortifying
brisk mesa
she's like HI I'M STUCK IN BLENDER, HELLO, RIP
fading verge
so i tryed adding a mask in unity to my char so i could animate it later so why in mirror am i seeing this
then my frinds see this
topaz dune
@graceful edge from the start make you model a humaniod. and dont choose the upper chest, if it is already rigged. press the dot to the left of the upperchest window and select the top options -none-
topaz dune
allright i'm off, i hope you guys can fix your problem's
low river
que
graceful edge
I just removed upperchest now this happened
mental stream
Lmao ikr rez
shadow shoal
Make sure chest is connected to shoulders and neck
brisk mesa
yea your bones need to be parented correctly
fading horizon
I have a bit of a weird problem. Other people say my avatar looks messed up, but in mirrors my avatar looks fine to me, any ideas as to what to do?
graceful edge
How excatly do I do that? I read that renaming Upper chest to something else would work
fading horizon
Everything needs to be moved up one level, so to speak @graceful edge
crimson timber
I have a bone in the eye, is there a certain way i need to adjust it to the mesh?
The only other bone in there is the EyeRotationErase_L
crimson timber
I dont think it is
shadow shoal
Make sure to map Neck
crimson timber
Is there a way to assign those bones to that mesh?
light wedge
So when I load this model into the game, the model has a strange problem where it shifts between the top half of the model shifting backwards and moving forwards, i think it may be a spine problem but I have no clue, And everything is properly rigged
fading verge
hey how do i make it in blender where i view only certain parts of a mesh and not all
oblique cloud
can i send the project to him once i am done
and then he just goes in and uploads/
crude crag
yep, sending the whole unity project file should work @oblique cloud
fading verge
help pls
crude crag
I'd advise screensharing with them so you can walk them through it, if they aren't experienced with uploading models already
oblique cloud
will he need to import the sdks?
crude crag
yes they'll need the VRchat one
fading verge
@oblique cloud how do i make it in blender where i view only certain parts of a mesh and not all
crude crag
@oblique cloud wait, that might already be included in the project folder. not sure
fading verge
https://gyazo.com/8b4ea460053d38c2234ffc540f7650df
https://gyazo.com/642d7e491dce76f0d5d5089d898b23a7
?
oblique cloud
you can hide them all except the one your targetting
i forgot the bind
or u can manually unselect them i nthe top right
oblique cloud
its an eye icon
fading verge
i dont see one
narrow ermine
Anyone know how to fix the massive amount of reflection in the eyes?
crimson timber
I linked eye_l to the mesh but Im still getting this error 🤔
crude crag
I don't quite understand your filenames, make sure that this is similar to your model though.
maybe it doesn't like that the shoulders aren't first??
crude crag
would be better for #avatars-2-general shawn. I'll help you there
white nimbus
ok
patent oasis
hiho
i've got a problem or something with my avatar's upperchest that will be problematic for the IK?
urban eagle
Hello, I would like to ask what to do if my jaw is incorrect in Unity, it automatically selects my front hair. Is there a way to fix it without removing mouth movements?
torn isle
delete whatever you have in jaw bone. @urban eagle chances are it's the hair.
urban eagle
okey
torn isle
Delete the hair from the mouth and visemes should still work.
urban eagle
I did that earlier and they didnt work, but third time's the charm.. amirite
torn isle
Basically if it isn't a jawbone in its place then delete.
fading verge
how 2o connect em ?.? https://gyazo.com/b42f2273b6a6f0b598a0be4aeca17a6c
torn isle
Add shoulder bones to their respective areas?
On the diagram on the right? @fading verge
fading verge
u talking bout blender or unity?
torn isle
unity.
When you are rigging in unity, make sure that the bones are in the right place.
In this case, look at the diagram on the right.
And look for where the shoulders should be.
fading verge
torn isle
Then, drag the bones from the left into the respective slots.
Show the bone hierarchy on the left.
Just upload a ss of the entire screen.
odd bronze
cat's tools isn't detecting my shape keys, why is that?
odd bronze
yes
odd bronze
do i have to? it's well under the tris limit
odd bronze
i didnt
torn isle
Because if you decimated your face, your mouth won't work.
So moving the shape keys won't make the mouth work?
crude crag
oh i see the problem
torn isle
Click on the neck in the green skeleton?
steep sonnet
crude crag
your shoulders are children of the neck bone
steep sonnet
how do i move it to the hierarchy above
crude crag
you need to make the shoulderbones children of the chest bone
steep sonnet
i'm trying to change the hierarchy through blender right now
Do I have to rename the bones in order to edit the the parent
crude crag
nope
just go to the parent section on the bottom right with a shoulder bone selected
and select the chest bone
sage shard
Would anyone been able to help me rig an avatar? Benn trying to find a way to get the model I made in unity into blender to make the skeletons, but blender won't accept the .fbx I made of the unity model
crude crag
you did "import" right flak god?
sage shard
when I go to import in blender, it says invalid header
crude crag
hm! idk then
sage shard
yeah idk what to do
narrow ermine
Anyone have any idea on how to fix the massive amounts of reflection in my eyes?
brisk bane
so i have a issue- while playing the game in vr, my actual irl hands are longer than my characters hands, which becomes a problem when picking up stuff and staying immersed. how would i go about fixing this?
crude crag
extend the length of the characters arms :3
brisk bane
then that would look weird
hold on
could it be an issue on where i placed the player camera?
lemmie get a photo
crude crag
if it's more than a couple inches in front of the face then it might be
crude crag
what's your avatar that it has such weird proportions?
oblique cloud
The titties
crimson timber
So I managed the fix the eye vertices issue but now I have another one. The eyes only seem to rotate, they won't move to the left or right. Anyone have an idea on how to fix it?
fickle sand
Where do I find decimate in Blender? First time using, I clicked the wrench but there isn't an option to Add a modifier
brisk bane
https://gyazo.com/06e59c6c3e727f48b595f73073e8c0f4
@crude crag too far?
and its a highly edited kanna
crude crag
@fickle sand I think it shows it in this vid https://youtu.be/NCkqlW-JsGk?t=729
@fickle sand oh, do you have the model selected?
@brisk bane maybe a bit. You want it as close to the face as possible without being inside it once you're ingame
fickle sand
@crude crag I think so o:
if I select the one above it, the wrench icon isn't there at all
crude crag
I think you want to...right click? the model and then it might show up