avatar-rigging

[patent cosmos]

to just

upload this current version as an avatar anyway

because it's pretty hilarious

[crisp tendon]

Yeah it looks pretty hilarious backwards

[safe gate]

@crisp tendon I went through a couple tutorials, this is the best I have been able to get it https://i.imgur.com/9jQVSw9.png

at least the top part of the sock moves c;

[crisp tendon]

@safe gate the left foot seems to be backwards though

[safe gate]

Na the toe just moves inside out

[crisp tendon]

🤔

[patent cosmos]

ok how do i "run cats" on it

also why are there a lot of orange dots on the ground behind him 🤔

[crisp tendon]

Uh

Do these dogs have names ?

[patent cosmos]

oh i see the cats tab now

[crisp tendon]

Dots 🙄

[patent cosmos]

just click "fix model" and see what happens?

[crisp tendon]

Yep

[patent cosmos]

the dots are the post-rotation transformation

it's complaining that it couldnt find Hips

isn't that its job im confused

[crisp tendon]

Rename the hip bone to Hips

Do that for every bone it cannot find

[neon shard]

What are the minimum finger bone requirements to get the hand gestures?

Do I need three segments on each finger? Do I need 5 fingers?

[patent cosmos]

oh jeez that's gonna be renaming EVERY bone rofl

no and no

you need 1 segment on 3 fingers iirc

[crisp tendon]

@neon shard three fingers, thumb, ring and indexI think

[neon shard]

I have three fingers, and my hands just idle anim

I cant do any gestures

[crisp tendon]

@neon shard It will tell you which one you need in the error anyway

[neon shard]

hmm

oh elohel there it is

whoops.jpg

[safe gate]

@crisp tendon

;D

[patent cosmos]

uhh

[silver mountain]

aw now i got this

[patent cosmos]

every time i click "fix model"

it removes the hips bone

and then complains that Hips doesn't exist

..what the hell

[silk kestrel]

ha ha...CATs remove my entire hand and the last bit of the fingers... have to reconstruct them

[patent cosmos]

yeah CATS isn't helping me much

it's being very dumb

LITERALLY removing the hips and then complaining that Hips doesn't exist

w h y

[silk kestrel]

Looks like your model did not conform to mmd rigging standards, thus CATs got confused

[patent cosmos]

OKAY BUT WHY IS IT REMOVING HIPS

I HAVE THE "REMOVE EXTRA BONES" THING TURNED OFF

[chilly ridge]

its ur model

whered u get it from

[patent cosmos]

ripped from a game

[chilly ridge]

thats why

[patent cosmos]

that's why it's deleting the exact thing it wants to have?

[chilly ridge]

no

thats why youre having so many problems

mmd models that are already ready to be rigged go so smoothly

[patent cosmos]

downloading a model with a built in rig seems like it SHOULD be faster than rigging it myself but it seems like that isnt the case

[chilly ridge]

nah

[patent cosmos]

because everything hates my rig

[chilly ridge]

rigging it yourself is better

in blender

[patent cosmos]

well i have some with like, tails and stuff

and that would be kind of a hassle

[chilly ridge]

hm

[patent cosmos]

i also have no idea how to actually rig things myself

although learning would be fun

but i dont understand the level of stupid that cats is being right now

before i renamed the legs it said it was looking for those

[silk kestrel]

creating an armature is 100 times easier than rigging

[patent cosmos]

then i did and it started deleting the hips

[silk kestrel]

wait until you learn about no flips, gimbal locks...

[patent cosmos]

it really seems like i should just be able to tell it in unity

"no, you've got the spine backwards, flip that and you're golden"

[crisp tendon]

@silk kestrel Why is rigging more complicated in your opinion ?

[zenith plank]

ok since my bones are not parented

if i like parent them or whatever will it work

[crisp tendon]

Yes that's usually a good thing

[silk kestrel]

rigging = creating the controls for the animator to animate on

so you would need a good grasp of local/world space, your up vectors,

[patent cosmos]

idk i've spent a LOT of time building/programming on roblox in the past

the 3d vectors arent my issue

[silk kestrel]

of course most of it can be automated nowadays

[crisp tendon]

Nothing that can't be learned though, even more so now thanks to all the tutorials and documentation there is

[silk kestrel]

but I have animated on some unity assets and they are the worst rigged characters I have ever seen

[patent cosmos]

so i tried actually just publishing the non-edited model

and the only thing that's fucked up is my arms

my head is shockingly non-backwards

[silk kestrel]

programming 101, everything is broken, I do not know why. everything is working, I do not know why

[patent cosmos]

so if i just swap my shoulders around in the mapping, that SHOULD fix it? maybe? i'm lost

rofl

[acoustic pilot]

I have been facing with a problem as of late, but I have figured out the issue, but I need help with figuring out how to execute with fixing it propperly. My problem is that with my rig, is that one of my bones won't get weighted in blender, because when I attempt at weighting the bones to the mesh, all the bones but spine01 get weighted, how do I fix this?

[patent cosmos]

i expected this to be a totally different kind of messed up

[acoustic pilot]

That momment when you post your issue and everyone just stops talking

rip

[crisp tendon]

@acoustic pilot I'm not sure what your issue is, can you not paint that bone specifically ?

[acoustic pilot]

Whenever I try to do this, which pretty much connects the bones to the model:

It gives me this error

And the only bone that comes off with a weight of 0 (which makes the bone not exist) is spine01, which is the bone I circled above

As you can see, in blender the bone is clearly there, but for whatever reason it doesn't get a weight

And it attaches the waist and the bone above spine01 together, pretty much ignoring spine01 altogether

[crisp tendon]

Are you sure this isn't trying to apply weight paint of the root bone indeed, which is often placed in the same location ?

[acoustic pilot]

or, I should just say the spine

initially, when I used CAT to fix the rig

the spine was placed inside where the waist was

So two bones in the same location

All I did was move the spine bone up

[zenith plank]

I get hips notfound when I use cat

because all the bones are fucked

[crisp tendon]

@zenith plank Rename your hip bone to Hips

[zenith plank]

Thing is

all the bones aren't parented

so

[acoustic pilot]

Mine are all parented

So idk why mine is acting up

And I haven't found a solution online

[crisp tendon]

@zenith plank Cats should fix that if you name things correctly

[zenith plank]

These are the bones

[acoustic pilot]

here, I'll show what happens when I try to use the model in unity:

[crisp tendon]

Oh, another valve biped

You'll have to rename everything correctly @zenith plank

[zenith plank]

can you dm me a list of names? or is that to much?

[crisp tendon]

@acoustic pilot So yeah the spine is the wrong bone

@zenith plank cats is telling you the name every time there is an error

[acoustic pilot]

How do I fix this?

[zenith plank]

just hips

[crisp tendon]

@acoustic pilot Spine bone 0 needs to be extended

[zenith plank]

there's Hip_R and Hip_L

[crisp tendon]

@zenith plank Then rename your hip bone to Hips

[acoustic pilot]

So all I have to do is make the spine longer

[crisp tendon]

At least one centimeter

Right now it's not counted as a bone

[zenith plank]

ok so know it says spine isn't found

[acoustic pilot]

So, just go to edit

Grab an end

And just make it longer?

Was that really all I was missing?

[zenith plank]

Ok so I just need to rename everything?

so I renamed The spine thingy to Spine

so

now it says chest

[acoustic pilot]

I made the spine bone longer, but it still is coming off as a length of 0

[patent cosmos]

@crisp tendon so in the end only my shoulders are actually messed up with just the base rig

[acoustic pilot]

I made it double it's size

[patent cosmos]

the one where t-pose had the entire chest/head backwards

[crisp tendon]

@acoustic pilot Make sure to move the bone around to make sure there's no hidden bone inside of it somewhere

[patent cosmos]

ingame it looks like this

[crisp tendon]

Not bad

[patent cosmos]

think just switching the L/R on the shoulders would fix?

[crisp tendon]

Hopefully yes

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah, I moved the bone

[acoustic pilot]

There are no bones inside of the spine

[patent cosmos]

i mean it's still very unhappy with me

[swift radish]

Why does this happen???

[patent cosmos]

LOL i had something like that happen but i was using mixamo

that's bone weights issue i believe

[crisp tendon]

@swift radish You're missing a phalanx

five phalanx

[patent cosmos]

rofl

[crisp tendon]

God damn

[patent cosmos]

so

what does it actually MEAN when my bones are red on this screen

[acoustic pilot]

It just has to be put in a t-pose

[crisp tendon]

It's not in t-pose

[patent cosmos]

well when i put it into t-pose it fucks itself up

[crisp tendon]

Then it's not good

[patent cosmos]

rofl

i know

[crisp tendon]

You may have to set the t-pose as rest pose in blende

[acoustic pilot]

I moved the spine around

There is no bone inside of it

[patent cosmos]

like

it's still fine in blender so idk

[crisp tendon]

It's always fine in blender lol

[patent cosmos]

how do i even delete bones in blender

nvm found it

[crisp tendon]

Select one in edit mode and hit the delete key

[patent cosmos]

delete key doesnt do it

gotta use armature tools for some reason

[crisp tendon]

In the scene

If you hit the delete key in another panel it won't do anything

[patent cosmos]

ah

blender is so funky honestly

[crisp tendon]

Agreed

[patent cosmos]

esp the camera movement

gets me too

[crisp tendon]

Yeah the zoom is a pain in the ass

[weak rose]

The feet on ym model in game are stretchy and shit and someone said its because of toe bones is that correct?

[patent cosmos]

i would much prefer it to work like unity does

if all of my 3d editing things could just WORK THE SAME WAY AT ALL

[crisp tendon]

@weak rose yes do not map the toe bones

[patent cosmos]

that would be great

[weak rose]

how do I delete the toe bones

[crisp tendon]

Don't delete

[weak rose]

oh how do I not map them then?

or unmap them

[crisp tendon]

Just do not map them then in the humanoid configuration

[patent cosmos]

will extra bones even do anything

if theyre not mapped

[crisp tendon]

When you map the toe bones you select none

They won't work that's the point

[patent cosmos]

like i have a model that has a tail

[crisp tendon]

Usually why we tell people to not map jaw and toes

[acoustic pilot]

Hm

I'm gonna try something

[crisp tendon]

Well I'll leave you guys to it, currently 4:52am, I'm off to bed, @ me if you find your solution

[patent cosmos]

@crisp tendon any idea why CATS is deleting my Hips and then complaining that Hips doesn't appear to exist

[weak rose]

My configure menu under rig in unity has stopped working

[patent cosmos]

oh ok rip lol

[weak rose]

it isnt opening

[crisp tendon]

Hips might not be the correct bone or wrong rotation or no weight or no parent/child

Lots of reasons

[patent cosmos]

oh does it need to be parented to something specific

you know what

im gonna go load in the example rig and see what that looks like

lol

[crisp tendon]

@weak rose That's a bigger issue than usual

[patent cosmos]

idk how to change parents of bones in blender either

[crisp tendon]

Yeah the sample avatar is a good template

[patent cosmos]

it's ridiculously unintuitive

[crisp tendon]

Click on the bone in the armature menu, then select the tiny bone icon on the below panel

Then you'll see the parented and other options at the bottom right

[patent cosmos]

i dont have a tiny bon icon on the below panel

nvm there it is

ugh why cant i just drag stuff around

lol

[crisp tendon]

Ikr

[patent cosmos]

so mapping toes is buggy?

[crisp tendon]

Anyway, good luck

[acoustic pilot]

Huh

[crisp tendon]

It makes people tip torn so yezh

[acoustic pilot]

It seems the "no length" issue is very obscure

[patent cosmos]

lol kk nighto

[crisp tendon]

Tip toe*

[weak rose]

I dont have toes mapped

[acoustic pilot]

I looked it up in unity forums

Barely anyone has answers

[weak rose]

so what else would cause the stretchy feet

[acoustic pilot]

...

I guess my model is impossible to rig

[crisp tendon]

Never impossible, I'll look tomorrow if you haven't found a way

[patent cosmos]

why the hell did my sample avatar disappear from assets

[acoustic pilot]

Someone said they have a sollution, but I don't understand what they are exactly saying

[patent cosmos]

:l

[weak rose]

Any idea whats causing the stretchy feet since my toes arent mapped

[acoustic pilot]

I'll DM you it though Ruubick

[weak rose]

@crisp tendon

[swift radish]

Can someone message me how to add the extra bone tip thing to the hands so the fingers don't break at the tips?

I've never had to mess with the bones, they've always come pre-rigged and blender is a pain in the butt to navigate

I just need a lil help

[patent cosmos]

hey guys every time i click "enforce t-pose" it puts my rig in a pose that's definitely not a t-pose

xd

[patent cosmos]

i think i have an idea of what the problem is

the way this skeleton structure works, there's a "root" which everything is parented to, and then a pelvis which the legs are parented to

[astral torrent]

https://gyazo.com/332db4f38f0326c686942b01fab5f199so everything seems to be rigged correctly but I dont have finger usage in vr

[patent cosmos]

and the way most rigs want to work is to have everything descended from Hips

basically the pelvis bone is confusing it

[astral torrent]

why did that gyazo not work ?

[weak rose]

Vex did you make sure it was humanoid in unity

[astral torrent]

https://gyazo.com/18d9bd8cd91cdeaeb372191d41c76a83

there

yes I did

[weak rose]

Did you use CATS in blender?

[jade juniper]

does anyone know wat this means>? https://gyazo.com/cab082532fe180773fbb27c32711f92e

[astral torrent]

Um it was a pre rigged one so im not entirely sure

[weak rose]

You should translate your files using PMX Lobbin

Vex it would ahve been fixed with CATS then

[jade juniper]

so do i have to re do everything

[weak rose]

go back into blender and run it through cats

not sure

id say you should personally

Just open it in PMX Editor go to Name repair and repair materials bones and the one after bones and make sure its set sequence

there are tutorials online if you dont know how

Materials Bones and Morphs are the main ones to fix

you can fix them all but usually you wont see anything otuside of those main three

[astral torrent]

How do I get this model into blender from unity ? its not really letting me unless im just doing it wrong

[chilly ridge]

are you exporting it correctly

[astral torrent]

Save scene as ? or

[chilly ridge]

follow this

go to where its exporting

[low river]

Asking again

You only need one foot bone when rigging righj?

[clear jacinth]

Is it possible to just steal the bones from an already rigged model and place it in a new one?

[chilly ridge]

Yes

[weak rose]

How do I remove bones in blender

[clear jacinth]

^

[weak rose]

I deleted some pigtails for polygon stuff

and I want the bones gone

[chilly ridge]

Bruh u cant delete the pigtails smh

[weak rose]

Dude I gotta for this model man

[chilly ridge]

Just delete the panties or somethin :^)

Decimating is so sad tbh

[weak rose]

Yeah I know

I prefer planer if I can

it conserves more

[chilly ridge]

I hate planar

[weak rose]

sometimes I gotta do both though

[chilly ridge]

I just go all out with the first one

Some are super easy, some make you want to gouge ur eyes out

[astral torrent]

Um so I read through that but I don't know how to import it into a blender thing still

[patent cosmos]

seriously how the HELL do i change the parent here

[astral torrent]

I know how to upload it but

[patent cosmos]

it's greyed out

i have superfluous bones in my structure and i cant get rid of them because it wont let me relocate their children

overprotective abusive parents

smh

[chilly ridge]

Lol

Your model is such a pain holy

Ive never had to do that

[patent cosmos]

i dont even understand WHY

it's doing things it didn't do last night

if i could just understand what the hell is going on then i'd be fine

[clear jacinth]

Fade, have you got a tutorial on something on how I'd just rip the bones from one model to another?

[patent cosmos]

i have potentially hundreds of these that i could upload and i'd like to get some of them

[chilly ridge]

Uhh

Not at my computer rn

[patent cosmos]

i dont understand how im supposed to

do anything

[chilly ridge]

Search it up

[patent cosmos]

i have no idea how armature/rigging works

blender doesnt want me to touch anything

[chilly ridge]

Rega what is the model ur using

[patent cosmos]

like i try to edit stuff and it's just like

"nah"

[chilly ridge]

Are you doing it from scratch or something

[patent cosmos]

no it's ripped

the R_leg and R_arm mirror the L ones

[gentle granite]

Are you saying you can't select the bones in the viewport?

[patent cosmos]

i can select them but i'm pretty sure the pelvis bone needs to go

i think Root is equivalent to Hips

from what i can tell by looking at models that actually work

spine_b is chest

im not sure what the BUFFBONE things are for but i think it's for something specifically in the game and it shouldn't hurt too much to remove them

so what I want to do is move L_leg and R_leg to be children of root

and then from there it matches almost 1:1 with the demo avatar in the sdk

but blender wont let me change their parent

[patent cosmos]

yes

[gentle granite]

While in edit mode, for the bones, you can delete and select parents

[patent cosmos]

i have that but

it's greyed out

and will not let me change parent

also that menu has disappeared now.

[gentle granite]

Go to edit mode

[chilly ridge]

Tab

[patent cosmos]

im in edit mode

it only shows the scene editor

[gentle granite]

For the armature?

[patent cosmos]

wait found it

[gentle granite]

What's a good screen recorder?

You were probably in Object Mode

[patent cosmos]

and it's no longer greyed out

oh youre right

i was in pose mode

dear god blender is unintuitive

[gentle granite]

Yes, and it is highly reliant on hotkeys

[sacred sequoia]

So I'm having an issue with eye tracking

I have the bones added to the eys

eyes*

But they don't do anything.

Am I doing something wrong?

[patent cosmos]

okay now it's still freaking out in unity

w t f

this is "t-pose"

[low river]

How do I make things like, just bounce around on their own in Unity?

[chilly ridge]

LOL

Those wonky ass arms

[low river]

Also, if I want to make their mouth move as I talk

at a default I keep their mouth closed, right?

[patent cosmos]

btw the "root" bone if turned on the base model

will rotate the entire character

oh that's the way hips are supposed to work

hm

[clear jacinth]

What the heck's going on.

Did I miss a step in rendering?

[patent cosmos]

oh i have a problem now

i have a spine and a spine_b

as well as a Chest

not sure what the Chest was before CATS changed it

[low river]

OH SHIT ITS YA GOOD BOY BUNPUN

[patent cosmos]

wait what

hold on

spine_b was being mapped to Chest before

so now i have a bone called Chest and i have NO idea what it is

thanks CATs

[low river]

https://i.imgur.com/ii2D2zl.png anyone know how to make the tail drag or the ears wiggle?

[patent cosmos]

CATS: "model fixed"

UNITY:

"model probably not fixed"

[low river]

Ok but

[patent cosmos]

IT WAS FUNNY THE FIRST TIME BUT THIS HAS GONE ON TOO LONG

[low river]

Please import it like that once just to see how it looks

[patent cosmos]

dude

if you wanna meet with me and see what the first version looks like

hang on i actually have a screenshot it's pretty good

i got pissed and used mixamo and welded the lower half of my face to my chest

[low river]

Nyello

[patent cosmos]

someoen told me

"yo look up"

so i pointed at the sky

and he barely managed to get out "WHY THE LONG FACE" through hsi laughing

no screenshot though so i have no idea what it looks like

uh what

[low river]

https://i.imgur.com/mxl04V8.png

[midnight blaze]

@here can someone please help me with rigging the mouth of my character and maybe eye rigging too?

[low river]

Hes very tiny

[patent cosmos]

i think removing my pelvis bone caused more problems than i was hoping

i'd genuinely be better off re-rigging this from scratch wouldn't i

[low river]

Maybe!

[patent cosmos]

pretty sure the here ping is disabled and it's super annoying when ppl use it

i dont have time to entirely learn how to rig rn

[low river]

Once you know how to rig properly though its not too hard [I rigged this in like a half hour]

WELL

Gimme five seconds

[midnight blaze]

can i get some help with rigging my character please?

[low river]

You using Blender?

Either of you?

[midnight blaze]

yes

[patent cosmos]

i have both blender and unity open

[low river]

https://youtu.be/hQNp-XOLwlI?t=911

I was following this video

[patent cosmos]

at this point im tempted to try rigging in roblox studio

because shit

[low river]

I timestamped when he began rigging

[patent cosmos]

at least i know how to use it

[midnight blaze]

@patent cosmos maybe you can help me

[patent cosmos]

you timestamped 9:11

what a meme

[low river]

I DI?

OH MY GHOD

[patent cosmos]

wait no

[low river]

I mean

the url says 911

[patent cosmos]

it's 15:11 but it's 911 seconds

[chilly ridge]

Uh

[patent cosmos]

lol

[chilly ridge]

Lul

Ur destined man

[low river]

I used this one for the Duke Weaselton

[patent cosmos]

im just going to upload the dumbest things

[low river]

You DID mention Roblox...

[patent cosmos]

like "im shit at rigging but it can be funny at least"

i did roblox a lot when i was 11-15

i knew all of the top content creators there

before it became a meme

[low river]

https://i.imgur.com/JgghqvC.png

I found this hellish model from Roblox

And I rigged it

through maximo and ive scared many people

I should try genuinely rigging it

[patent cosmos]

and even though it's a meme ppl are still making shitloads of money off of it so idk how much hate you can really throw at them without incorporating some jealousy

[low river]

Rega

[patent cosmos]

lol

[low river]

im part of a roblox group that was officially labelled as a terrorist group by the Roblox UN

[patent cosmos]

hahaha

[low river]

Roblox is great with pals

[patent cosmos]

one summer i got bored and decided to join a warclan in rbx

and got promoted up to like, 4th in command in a week or two

while being a total dick to everyone

because i was actually good at the game

[low river]

We LITERALLY made MSF [from Metal Gear] in it

we're MSO

Militares Sans Oofs

[patent cosmos]

uh, random-chat?

[low river]

Should we move it there?

[patent cosmos]

yeah we're a little offtopic

[chilly ridge]

Roblox lul

[pseudo python]

So hey, I just fused two models together (a head from one and the body from another) and I can't find a way to get the armature to stick

[midnight blaze]

@pseudo python do you know how to rig mouth and eyes?

[pseudo python]

yes

[midnight blaze]

can you give me a hand on it plz

[pseudo python]

Uh, I kinda want to get this fixed, I can just link you to a video I used to learn from

[midnight blaze]

well my character isnt a human

its kass from zelda breath of the wild

[low river]

https://i.imgur.com/LrFAlcz.png

[midnight blaze]

but if you want to give me the link to the video that would work too

[low river]

Well

the model just has to be "humanoid"

[pseudo python]

for eye tracking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjpwHHNAXF4

for visemes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luYoj9FM2UM

other than that, I really want to get this fixed

[pale hull]

@low river Would you mind donating the avatar ID of that roblox Nick model to my avatar dungeon? It's freaky enough to earn a spot there

[low river]

Oh dang you own the Avatar Dungeon?

its also

really tiny btw

[pale hull]

Like 20cm tiny or 1 meter tiny?

Either way I love it just as it is

[low river]

I say a biiit taller than the uh, knuckles stuff

[pale hull]

That's fine to me

[low river]

How would I give it to ya? I also have...

https://i.imgur.com/0TNQTO0.png

I accctually wanna try re-rigging them in blender

[pale hull]

Hahaha

In unity click on VRCSDK > Manage Uploaded Content > Copy ID on the avatars

[low river]

Huh

Either way, if theyre gonna be shared/scared for all, id love to see if i can re-rig them in blender

AND considering I cant log in to see if my Duke avatar worked i may do that quickly..

[pale hull]

You can give me the ID now and then update the avatars whenever you wish

Planning a big update for the world. I currently have 41 avatars and I want atleast 20-30 new ones, hopefully 40+ more

So there is still at the very least a couple of days before the new version goes live

[low river]

Ahh ok!

https://i.imgur.com/qpyj2f8.png

holy shit

[pale hull]

oof

[low river]

@pale hull somehow rigging it with fucking Maximo worked better

[pale hull]

Mixamo is either godsend or shit. There is no middleground

[low river]

https://i.imgur.com/CBwuzzR.png

Theres apparently just a bunch of tiny fucking pieces

[pale hull]

oops

[low river]

SCRATCH THAT

https://i.imgur.com/7JhpYET.png

THE WHOLE MODEL IS IN PIECES

[pale hull]

bluh

[low river]

thats hilarious

ill just give you the ID

[long valve]

how can i change the error : ''bone lenght to 0''???

[fleet echo]

@low river dyanmic bone + animation

[low river]

They cost cash to use right?

[fleet echo]

yea for dyanmic bone

but animation is free

[low river]

Ahh maybe ill try

i have cash

[fleet echo]

just setup animation in legeacy mode loop want to work on model

basic learn that from blink animation video

[midnight blaze]

can anybody help me with rigging my model please

?

[acoustic pilot]

@long valve I have that problem too, it seems barely anyone knows how to fix that issue

Although I have someone that's gonna be helping me tomorrow to figure it out

[long valve]

@acoustic pilot oh damn,if you have any news on that dm me pls

[acoustic pilot]

I'll be sure too

[woven condor]

anyone able to tell me why when I hit play mode for unity the camra locks and I can't interact with field?

sorry if wrong channel for it

[low river]

https://imgur.com/amCpQ6S I did it

[solid adder]

@woven condor I assume you're talking about the game tab it switches to. Just simply click back to the scene tab

[woven condor]

tyvvm @solid adder

[solid adder]

Also make sure it's off when you make any changes, otherwise it won't save.

Then you have to do it again

[woven condor]

yep making sure of it lol

[long valve]

anyone knows how can i go left here?

[solid adder]

holy cluster

[long valve]

i know....

[solid adder]

That.. that is just horrifying... Not the avatar just.. all of that.

You need a pro for that

[long valve]

the avatar is already in vrchat

just want the eye tracking

but i can't select the eyes because the menu wont scroll left

[swift radish]

The hell is happening with this texture?

It's like... see through from the front only? but also weird

[tawny temple]

darius?

also can i just use cloth as an alternative to dynamic bones since I don't really want to spend $20

[solid adder]

@tawny temple what are you trying to do?

[tawny temple]

was just asking for future models that i import

[midnight blaze]

can someone help me with rigging please im trying to rig my characters eyes and jaw movement but i cant figure it out

[woven condor]

look into cats blender addon for those thats what I've used and it works like a charm

[dusky sentinel]

@tawny temple you can get dynamic bones for free off some sites

that's what i did cuz i didn't want to pay $20 either xd

can link you if you want

[odd tulip]

careful you might get in trouble talking about that stuff

js

[dusky sentinel]

shh

[chilly remnant]

How do I fix an avatar thats legs are in the ground and the viewpoint is floating above the head even tho in Unity it all should be in the right places

[solid adder]

@chilly remnant screenshot?

[chilly remnant]

Hold on a sec ill get one in game and in Unity

[solid adder]

Sounds familiar, but i need to see. Also nearing 2am so visuals are helpful xD

[swift radish]

Quick fix for avatar under the floor? Why this happens?

[solid adder]

x0, y0, z0 ?

[odd tulip]

For me I was able to fix it by going into the rig configuration and moving the armature's transform up to offset the amount i was in the ground

i suggest reseting to 0,0,0 and spawning a plane at 0,0,0 there so you can see where your feet land better

[solid adder]

@chilly remnant what is your avatar's current position in Unity?

x, y, z.

[odd tulip]

it's in the picture

[chilly remnant]

0, 0, 0

[solid adder]

Any animations?

[chilly remnant]

Nope

[solid adder]

Hmm..

[chilly remnant]

I tried raising the model up a bit but it made no difference

[solid adder]

Was the position perhaps the same in Blender?

Assuming blender was used.

[chilly remnant]

Yeah I used Blender and yes its 0, 0, 0 there too and Ive tried raising the model up there too

[odd tulip]

@chilly remnant find the model in the assets folder, go to rig, configure, select the armature in the inspector and then in the bottom right change the transforms Y value to offset the amount you are under the ground

[chilly remnant]

Ill give it a shot

[odd tulip]

the transform is at the bottom of this tab https://i.gyazo.com/9c62186dfd193583484194a550e4f461.png

[chilly remnant]

A small part of the foot is under the ground but in game the whole foot is

[swift radish]

Yeah nothing's working to get mune above ground, every time I drag him up the game says he's too short and he stays under that white line

[odd tulip]

if you go to the animation tab and hit play on the idle animation it will probably show how far it moves down like in game

did you try what i just told yerite to try @swift radish ?

[swift radish]

Yep

In the rigger, he's already above ground

[odd tulip]

maybe try moving the hips up rather than the armature idk why it wouldn't work

[chilly remnant]

@odd tulip It did not work 😦

[odd tulip]

What animations did you override?

[chilly remnant]

None?

[odd tulip]

you need to select the override you duplicated and drag the animation clip you want to override into the right slots

[chilly remnant]

I havent changed any animations tho

[odd tulip]

oh sorry this isn't the right conversation

you changed the offset

whoops

uh i'm not sure why it isn't working that's just what fixed it for me

[hidden ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396190963195838466/396215716015243264/screen_1920x1080_2017-12-29_03-19-42.330.png

so uh

what did i do wrong

[toxic swallow]

i'm trying to follow this thing http://vrchat.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar's_mouth_is_open_in_VRChat but where do i drop the controller?

please help 😦

[fading verge]

anyone tell me why in blender the model is correct with CATS but now in unity to publish it says missing elements for bone mapping when it has every bone tho?

[hidden ether]

have you checked that any of the bones are missing?

or unassigned?

[edgy ginkgo]

is there a way to test the ingame hand animations?

[fading verge]

https://gyazo.com/5aab9aa073b43e880a0216b0fc954c94

isnt that everything?

https://gyazo.com/9eedccac93805b4c34a4154b2114bf88

[vernal wave]

I rigged my avatar and uploaded it to vrchat but I realised the head and arms don't move in vr. The whole body is static. What do I have to do to use my vr controllers to move my head and arms individually?

[edgy ginkgo]

is there a free alt verison of the dynamic bones?

[vernal wave]

I have zero experience with unity and made the avatar with a tutorial on yt. how do I check this?

There is the same avatar already in vrchat and there the arms and head works, but wanted to have it on my account.

[quartz perch]

ive got a simple question , do i HAVE to have shoulder bones mapped

and neck ?

[quartz perch]

in unity

[dire mica]

Is it a humanoid?

[pseudo iron]

does anyone know if its possible to put a custom emote with a generic rig without it bugging my character out where i can no longer move

[quartz perch]

@dire mica talking to me?

[dire mica]

Yes

[quartz perch]

@dire mica of course,

[uneven hill]

Gobe, just make shoulder and neck bones but dont weight it to anything, then assign those to the shoulder and neck slots

That way, it would be as though you never had them, although your avatar might animate weirdly

@quartz perch

[quartz perch]

thats what i thought

but

im not sure how to do that

@uneven hill

correctly

[uneven hill]

Just create the three bones in blender, and parent them as needed

[quartz perch]

so how do i insert a new bone between 2 existing ones?

[uneven hill]

You first unparent them from each other

So select the child of the two, then go to the tab on the right that looks like a bone and click the x in the parent box

You need to be in edit mode for that

Then when having the chest bone selected, click e to make a new bone out of it

Then name this new bone to shoulder or neck

[quartz perch]

im not using blender keymappings

[uneven hill]

And parent the arm/head to this new bone

Hmm, i forgot hie to make bones without keymaps

[silk kestrel]

question, my avatar's feet are partially sunk into the floor, did I mess up some part in the rigging? I already zeroed out the translations in unity

[distant patrol]

@silk kestrel it seems to be female animation set. all my attempts to fix this failed 😦

[uneven hill]

Try stretching the feet bones to the very bottom of the feet in blender

[distant patrol]

dont do that. it will fuck up ankle joint

[uneven hill]

This can also fix some finger issues where the finger tips curl in a weird way

It might, trial and error

[silk kestrel]

by feet, did you mean the toe or ankle?

[uneven hill]

Does the feet sink in blender at position 0 0 0?

[silk kestrel]

does not sink in blender

[distant patrol]

literally every character with female animation set has this issue

[uneven hill]

^ not all

[distant patrol]

if you set it to mal it is instantly fixed

*male

yes it depends on toe and foot bone but if you set em to foot sole they wont rotate properly anymore

and tbh thats something vrchat devs should fix.

[silk kestrel]

cool, I thought the joint position might be messing with the in-game IK system

[distant patrol]

im still looking into a workaround

it will be fine if you move the bones ik wise but

if your angle rotation is in a different place your foot will disort considerable when moving

[uneven hill]

You dont need joints or rigidbodies for vrchat though

[silk kestrel]

oops, by joints I meant bones. Still not used to blender terminology

too much maya ha ha

[distant patrol]

same

im using 3dsmax

if you shift down the anke it indeed does fix the feet n floor but

well when your feet move this happens

https://i.imgur.com/DNNG5MN.png

so i wouldnt advise doing that

i might have a fix tho. im gonna verify ingame if it works in a moment

[uneven hill]

I meant stretch down though, not shift

[distant patrol]

if i stretch it i also move it

unless you can explain in more detail what you mean

[uneven hill]

Ah ok then

[distant patrol]

i can stretch the bone before it. if i stretch the bone itself i end up moving toe.

[uneven hill]

I mean the one end of the bone (represented by a circle in blender) moved down while the other end stays in its original position

[distant patrol]

but the game doesnt seem to care about toe

so you do mean moving the toe joint

rotaiton orgin. whatever

[uneven hill]

Mapping the toe in unity can cause problems for some people in vr

No the toe but the one end of the foot

So basically make the bone longer to reach the bottom of the foot

[distant patrol]

the vr toe thing cna be fixed via playerhight

but yeah i get you now

[uneven hill]

Easier to just not map it

[distant patrol]

still this may onyl work with avatars without toe weights

however. from my research it doesnt care about the bone end

onyl start

[uneven hill]

You can always weight the whole foot to the foot bone

[distant patrol]

ill have to verify to be sure but last time i tried the char hight was beginning of foot bone for female anim

as in the ankle

thats what happened when i didnt map toe

when i mapped toe the end of foot became the floor

which still didnt solve my issue because toe was in a realistic position

[uneven hill]

Ah ok then

[distant patrol]

i then introduced an additional root bone and i now shifted that downwards to solve it (gotta check ingame now)

i was also recommended to make an empty game object in unity but that actually didnt matter to the animation set

[uneven hill]

Most of my models have a sepereate root bone, so I never had to deal with foot problems

[distant patrol]

if the root solution fails it might be possibly to use male anim and just define custom sitting

i actualy used a correct root bone too which did not solve the issue

i now shifted that downwards and gonna check now if that helped

[uneven hill]

Maybe i just didnt have feet problems regardless to my root bone?

Who knows?

[distant patrol]

well the model you seen

its got unsusually large feet right

models with like high heels and stuff

that could factor in

[uneven hill]

I have yet to use a model with heels

[distant patrol]

i wonder if it estimates the feet height

or actualy uses root

[uneven hill]

What about modifying every animation to be slightly higher up :p

[distant patrol]

that definitly is an option but i have no idea where to get the stock anims

[uneven hill]

You can ways just use the animations maximo gives, and edit them to your liking

The animation method seems like a lot of effort though

[distant patrol]

never used maximo

also i checked

it ignored root on female anim

[uneven hill]

Mm

[distant patrol]

my characters floor is at start of toe

maybe i can stratch end of toe to floor

[uneven hill]

I havent used maximo either but i know that they provide animations

[distant patrol]

you ever dealth with coliders much?=

[uneven hill]

A little

[distant patrol]

you know how to set colliding force?

atm its sorta the bigger collider the more the force

[uneven hill]

I havent done enough with colliders to remember everything about how to use it without seeing it, and I cant see it because i am currently without my pc, so I dont think that I would be abke to help much about that

[distant patrol]

compiling the version with newly defined toe end

[quartz perch]

@uneven hill hey ,if i create the new neck and shoulder bones , all i have to do is parent them properly and than not have to touch anything else? just export? because i dont want them moving anything ?

[uneven hill]

Yes, parent the arms to the shoulders and the head to the neck, then parent the neck and shoulders to the chest

Then if you didnt weight them to anything, they shouldnt move any of your mesh in game

[distant patrol]

didnt change anything, even moving toe didnt change anything. i really wonder whats up. maybe it uses lowest weighted vert or something but somehow shifted it in anim set

contradicts my prevous result

now back at zero

[uneven hill]

Maybe, but if the problem is only with the female animation though, maybe the problem is just the animation itself and not the model

[distant patrol]

it might be but there shoudl be a way to counteract that issue via model

its so weird, i got characters without legs and they do float even if feet have no weights

so it must be something with toe and feet

but somehow this time it didnt work

[quartz perch]

@uneven hill the location of the new bones shouldnt matter right? like if its just 3 new bones poking out of the chest , for neck and shoulders

[trim plume]

hey guys wussup listen yesterday i managed to export a model to vrchat for first time but the thing is his tail and hands have no animation or phisics

[uneven hill]

@quartz perch try to put them in the correct locations so that the arms and head to use them as an axis properly

[trim plume]

can someone help meh?

anyone can help me please?

[uneven hill]

Do you have hand and tail bones?

[trim plume]

i think so

i jsut downlaoded a model

[uneven hill]

Then make sure that the hands are mapped in unity

[trim plume]

to be honest i dont know how to map body parts

im very new to unity

[uneven hill]

And for the tail, you will need to use either dynamic bones or a custom animation

[trim plume]

but i managed to export soem models to vr

[uneven hill]

Select the model and click select, in the rig tab, there should be an option to set animation to humanoid, after setting animation to humanoid, click configure

[trim plume]

oh ok thanks

what do i do?

[distant patrol]

i think i might have found why female anim is wrong. it might be set to a root offset

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/RootMotion.html

[trim plume]

should i change the anim

from male to female or

[uneven hill]

Rag, click the hand tab (on the image of the body with the dots)

And make sure that both left and right is mapped

[quartz perch]

http://prntscr.com/htsb7o @uneven hill i hate to bother so much , but thats what im working with , the bones are massive when i extrude , but reach the areas , size doesnt play a role does it ? i have no knowledge of bones , just modeling and texturing

i havent made the bones in this screenshot

[uneven hill]

It should be fine

[quartz perch]

should be? XD , why

[trim plume]

i have

no clue what to do in mapping

[uneven hill]

Just put the shoulder bones in between the arms and chest (maybe move the arms out a bit if you need to make space) and the same for the neck

Rag, make sure that the correct bones are mapped

[trim plume]

wait

the problem is

the fingers wont match

i ment i cannot make a fist

with vr i can move my arms no problem

maybe because he has 3 fingers i dont know

[uneven hill]

Well if the fingers have bones then the only problem I can think of it if they are mapped correctly or not

Ah

Maybe

Then only map the thumb, index and middle fingers

[trim plume]

ok

[safe bluff]

Have to have all bones for full body IK no? Or else he’ll be missing certain animations

Even dummy bones would work

[trim plume]

erm

abiut that

its tellin me htis

[safe bluff]

Yeah add dummy bones in blender for the rest of the fingers

Don’t weight paint them to anything

Just need to have them

[trim plume]

the be honest

the only 3d program i know is 3dsmax

on unity or blender i have 0.2 clue

can i be a bit rude

and ask if someone here can fix it for me

?

[distant patrol]

i know 3dsmax

[trim plume]

oh cool

but

does vrchat models support

3ds?

[distant patrol]

they support fbx and unity

you can make avatars with it but there is basically no tutorials. but i can explain

[trim plume]

justr to letr you know

mewtwo's fingers have dummy bone

but stil i have the full ik error

ohh

now i see its tellin me the fingers are not mapped

on unity

[distant patrol]

it doesnt amtter if dummy or not

[trim plume]

ok so the problem is

that mewtwo got 3 fingers

[distant patrol]

haha yeah

make some fake ones

just copy an existing one twice

[trim plume]

sure

[twin grail]

Could someone help me with attatching 1 models head to another models body?

[trim plume]

ok so i cant map the other fingers

because i cant duplicate

[distant patrol]

you can

[trim plume]

well its giving me an error

it shows in red

[distant patrol]

you clone 2 fingers in 3dsmax

and jsut map those in unity

[trim plume]

ohh

just the bone?

[distant patrol]

yeah

[trim plume]

hmm ok

[distant patrol]

we're gonna pretend mewtew has 5 fingers basicaly

but 2 of em wont do anyhting

i dont know how pretty this will look ingame. but you can try

xD

[trim plume]

hmmm

[uneven hill]

But make the real bones in the thumb, index amd moddle finger slots

Or atleast just the thumb

And index

[trim plume]

or i wil just find another mewtwo model

it saves lots of time

[distant patrol]

waaa

[uneven hill]

You might think so, but not really

[safe bluff]

Other model will probably have the same issue just based on how the hand is

[trim plume]

this what i been using

[safe bluff]

Since it's not a regular humanoid hand

[trim plume]

i know

[quartz perch]

i had to do other things for a while so i didnt get back to you @uneven hill
http://prntscr.com/htsmw4

also your opinion? @safe bluff

just have to parent and good right?

[trim plume]

i wil leave him like that then

eve though yesterday i saw a mewtwo with evertything works

[uneven hill]

Yeah, it should work just fine, but when you're done, just test it out in game

[safe bluff]

It looks fine to me? Not sure what the context is of this whole conversation though

[quartz perch]

ill just test the model in unity before uploading because it wont even let me upload lol without those "optional" bones , i saw in that rig tab you can move everything around and see how it moves

[uneven hill]

Because gobe has a model without shoulders nor a neck, so he made dummy bones to take their role

So they arent weighted to anything

[trim plume]

can someone

fix my mewtwo model it would be great help 😃

just the finger bones thats all

[safe bluff]

Give me the blend file over PM

[trim plume]

woops

sorry

gimme a sec pleasse

[safe bluff]

He has no full body IK

So he needs to add dummy bones

[trim plume]

the fingers

the problem

anbd

i tried to fix the texture of his eyes

because it has 3 eye textures and buy defaulkt its the sleepy eyes

i think the right texture is eye1

[uneven hill]

Rag, i think you can fix the eyes with uv mapping

[trim plume]

oh yeah

in 3dsmax i can

but blender material tool no idea how to use

[safe bluff]

Think I got the bones fixed

I'll test

[trim plume]

wow O_O already?

if it works lemme know what did you do please

[uneven hill]

Its surprisingly easy when your familiar with it

[trim plume]

yeah

you just need to know what to do

i mean yesterday to export the mewtwo model it was freaken easy

but the dang ol finger gave me probs

oh and i have soemthing to say im a huge fan of mewtwo

i had alife size inflatable mewtwo but once but costed me an arm and a leg

[safe bluff]

Gottiem

It worked is what I mean

[trim plume]

how dd you fix it?

[safe bluff]

I selected the hand bone

And pressed E to Extrude a bone from it

And then just named them LHandDummy

[uneven hill]

It might have a hip problem

Just make the hip bone upside down

[trim plume]

when saying extrude

[static flint]

Is it possible to use the same hierarchy on Unity if you re-edit the model on Blender, or do you have to do the whole thing again on Unity each time?

[trim plume]

is it like clone a body part?

[safe bluff]

It will most likely be fine

No, it creates a bone connected to the bone you extruded from

[trim plume]

oh ok

[toxic umbra]

Hey everyone, I've a question regarding rigging https://gyazo.com/9b0fbd3c1c75e07ace620e2987533503

After I've done my stuff in Blender, Unity gives me an error with my Avatar's leg bones

any1 know how to fix this ? much appriciated

[static flint]

@chaz you need to add extra bones for that.

[toxic umbra]

Shit I've never done that

Any tutorials for that

[static flint]

1 sec. Will get 1 now for you

https://youtu.be/9tpWUXzV488

[toxic umbra]

@static flint much obliged

[static flint]

No probs. Hopefully somebody is able to answer my question though.😂

[safe bluff]

Depends @static flint, if you edit only the mesh it's fine but once you start editing bones you'll need to set it to 'Generic', apply, then set to 'Humanoid' again and apply

[static flint]

The humanoid part I don't mind redoing. It's everything else like the avatar descriptor that I don't wanna do each time I re-edit the model.

[safe bluff]

I mean, if you save your scene and overwrite over the original file it shouldn't be an issue

[static flint]

So if I put the re-edited model in and load the scene it will inherit everything?

[safe bluff]

Yeah

[static flint]

Oh Shweet.😃

Thanks alot.😁 You've saved me alot of time and frustration.😂

[fading verge]

I assume we don't report bugs here other than the vrchat support?

Or, problems. Not bugs.

[safe bluff]

Depends on the problem I guess?

[fading verge]

Well I need a fix for "Spine hierarchy incorrect.".

[safe bluff]

That's not a problem with VRChat itself, it's your rigging that's the issue so you're probably in the right place

[fading verge]

Yeah because i'm trying to become that knuckles meme on vrchat

[upbeat bluff]

how do i fix this ?

[fading verge]

I have the same problem with Knuckles.

[fading verge]

How? Sorry, i'm a huge noob to unity

Oh.

So, how do I add that?

Oh

Okay

Done.

Should I try now?

Nope.

Doesn't work

Still the same error coming up.

[upbeat bluff]

will it work without hand tho?

wont it be stuck in T shape?

[fading verge]

Do you have any idea how to fix my problem aswell? Enforcing t-form didn't fix it

[fading verge]

Wait, what do you mean head?

[fading verge]

Who are you talking to now..?

oh

It's very confusing lmao

like this?

Wait..

I think I know a fix!

Since I followed a youtube tutorial and there was a "fix" for this problem but I didnt understand what they mean

[upbeat bluff]

should be good now

[fading verge]

but now that I managed to go to that panel I think I understand now

[upbeat bluff]

gonna check ingame

if its not T shape

[toxic umbra]

@sterile ruin I'd like to ask something aswell

https://gyazo.com/9b0fbd3c1c75e07ace620e2987533503
Any way to fix my missing legbones in unity

[fading verge]

YES YES YES

THE FIX WORKED

:DDDDDD

TIME TO SING "SUICIDE IS PAINLESS" TO BRIGHTEN UP PEOPLES DAY WITH KNUCKLES

[chilly remnant]

How can I fix an avatar that has a very wide branch walk and idle pose?

[fickle mural]

Was that you on Gaia Nights yesterday singing that as knuckles

[toxic umbra]

@sterile ruin https://gyazo.com/975c74eb263e52f2cf845c6cbd2a28f4

[uneven hill]

You need feet bro

[silk kestrel]

never skip leg day

[weak drum]

Can someone tell me how I go about adding dynamic bones in Blender?

[toxic umbra]

Looked fine in blender for me https://gyazo.com/a1ab15d9647e1a9f5172ceceb47b1586

[fading verge]

Lmfao

Oh wait

I thought it glitched because it looked weird and you said "Looked fine in blender" sarcastically

[uneven hill]

@weak drum it costs around 20$

And it isnt in blender, but in unity

[toxic umbra]

@sterile ruin https://gyazo.com/babab9d50efd0a1970326aa9ecd1ae1e

ahh small pic rip

[weak drum]

oh, so I just need to add the bones to the scarf and then add in the dynamic bones in blender?

[outer python]

hey guys when i try to export my avatar this happens

https://puu.sh/yQ8k7/0c066992d0.png

even though everything is mapped