animation

[candid pulsar]

It might be because I’m trying to duel wield

[odd latch]

that could be the problem, F1 to F3 has trouble with triggers, I don't put gesture animations there
I only put gesture animations on F4 to F8

[candid pulsar]

Ok what’s f8

[odd latch]

F8 is thumbs up

[candid pulsar]

Ok

Would you happen to know where I could get a Naruto run

[fierce bane]

FKey to Gesture list:
1(Idle)
2(Fist)
3(Open)
4(Point)
5(Victory)
6(Rock)
7(Gun)
8(Thumb)

[candid pulsar]

Thx

Snapshot taken

[odd latch]

I think there's a naruto run on one of the animation packs on v-r-c-m-o-d-s
bot warned me

I should know, because my penguin does the naruto run on sprint

[candid pulsar]

Ok on the web

And that sounds funny and cool

Is it free

[odd latch]

it should be free to download, but the website blocks the download button if you have adblock, just turn it off for the moment

[candid pulsar]

I don’t think I do

Ok then I’ll tell when I find it

[odd latch]

hang on, pause

[candid pulsar]

Ok

[odd latch]

try this

[clear yew]

@stuck spade - I found the song/dance animation (Despacito), but the download is ONLY that and Mecanim doesn't seem to convert that for some reason. Does it only work on models and not animations?

[candid pulsar]

One src

[stuck spade]

use Blender

[candid pulsar]

I’ll need to bring up discord on it

Don’t got it

[stuck spade]

also talking about Mechanim is forbidden and illegal to use

[candid pulsar]

What?

[stuck spade]

#rules

[fierce bane]

they're not talking to you sharp, they're talking to the person that mentioned them

[candid pulsar]

Ok

Ok there we go to find that file

[odd latch]

is there a method to speed up an animation?

[candid pulsar]

Dunno

[stuck spade]

less frames

the anim should say 60 you can change that

[fierce bane]

depending on where you're using it you can use a multiplier

[candid pulsar]

Perfection

[odd latch]

that's what I'm looking for

there's no multiplier parameter on anim file inspectors

[fierce bane]

would have to be on the controller which is why I said it depends

[candid pulsar]

Why aren’t the gestures there

[odd latch]

oh no, your override controller is empty?

[candid pulsar]

Wait I can use 4

[fierce bane]

Rynkar, the "samples" section on the animation window should work fine to adjust the speed if you're not using a controller for the animation

or you could select all keyframes and drag to readjust it with the same samples technically

[candid pulsar]

I think I got it

[odd latch]

I found a speed parameter through the animator controller window, would that work?

[candid pulsar]

And the overall performance is good

[fierce bane]

if you're talking about this one, yes

[odd latch]

say I have an animation on a prop that gives it a 360 spin per second, if I set the speed to 2, 720 spin per second?

[fierce bane]

yes it's a multiplier

[odd latch]

neat

[candid pulsar]

Hmm

[fierce bane]

and -1 would reverse the 360 spin

[candid pulsar]

Why

Oh wait lol

Didn’t see -

I think I got it btw

Now I just got to cross my fingers

🤞

🤞😬

It hasn’t loaded

[clear yew]

Using blender? How wil lthat help?

The animation is separate. I can try to import the .fbx I got from converting (that does have the animation because I specifically linked it), but Blender doesn't want to do it (that kind of FBX is not supported)

I used a random mmd model and attacked the despacito.vmd to it when converting in unity, and I got a fbx model with the animation, but I cannot get that animation out of it. It's stuck as part of hte model

This is donwright frustrating.

I don't suppose any kind soul that has the despacito animation or know what he's doing could just give it to me?

The conversion did create Descpatio.anim.bytes file, but that one is unusable in Unity

[pliant plank]

Both the blender fbx and the other method (with a tool one can't mention here) should work.

Set the model as humanoid in unity
Make sure the rig matches the proper bones
Make sure the anim name does not have special characters like \ | /
Select the animation file in unity's file browser
Ctrl+D

[turbid shuttle]

i think this works as a question but i have a specific idea for how i want to have visemes on my model that would work better if i could use bones to re size certan parts of the model, any clue how i could do that/ anyone willing to help?

[pliant plank]

CATS has a pose to shapekey button, pose the bones as you'd like, set as shapekey and rename them to match the viseme (it can be any name but it's easier that way)

[turbid shuttle]

ah

where is the button sorry?

[pliant plank]

When you press to go to pose mode it should be there, right under the import model button iirc

[turbid shuttle]

ah

ok i see it

cheers

is there a list of all the shape keys that are needed again?

Wait

actually i think setting one of the bones as jaw in unity will work better

but from my memory i remember the jaw bone would only move occasionally when i spoke?

[pliant plank]

The jaw bone only moves around in a pivot with barely any distinction in its movements

As it moves like a hinge, opening and closing

[turbid shuttle]

yeah so up and down

but does it move all the time?

[clear yew]

@pliant plank - the animation file that's gets exported as part of the fbx is actually still a different format (vmd) and it cannot be copied or moved from the fbx file itself

[turbid shuttle]

because i remember having models where the jaw bone would only occasionally move up and down idk why

[clear yew]

the only actual physical files I end up having are despacito.vmd (unusable) and despacito.anim.bytes (unusable)

[pliant plank]

Can you screenshot the vmd?

The jawbone should move whenever a sound comes from your mic @turbid shuttle

[turbid shuttle]

epic

[pliant plank]

Any sound

[turbid shuttle]

musta been an early bug with mirrors and whatnot i guess

[pliant plank]

But it doesn't show up in mirrors normally iirc

Others can see it, and on your reflection aswell, but the user normally cannot, unless that was fixed

@clear yew can you screenshot said file?

[clear yew]

Hm..I think I got it.

The dancing finally works, though the motions are all over the place

[pliant plank]

Did you fix the model in any way?

VMD motions should be applied onto vanilla MMD models, any changes will break everything essentially

[candid pulsar]

Something is wrong with my animations

Every time I try to make it so my sword is drawn (aka from hip to hand) it doesn’t work should I remove the animation and add the overwrite back on basically off and on

Please @ me

[clear yew]

I don't understand your problem from what you described.

[candid pulsar]

Gestures aren’t working

Or my sprint ani

Animation*

I give permission to @candid pulsar aka me

[clear yew]

What

[glass yarrow]

what

[candid pulsar]

My gesture for my hands aren’t making my sword appear

[covert patio]

Make sure that in whatever gesture u used for the sword, that the box is checked for the sword to enable

[candid pulsar]

It is

[covert patio]

Then make sure u dropped that animation within the override

[candid pulsar]

Yup

[covert patio]

And then make sure u applied the override to the avatar descriptor

On both standing and sitting

[candid pulsar]

Ah that’s it

I was putting it in animator so just remove animator

[covert patio]

You do need the animator on the avatar i believe? So dont delete that

[candid pulsar]

Ok

But what should I put there

[covert patio]

Lemme check rq

[candid pulsar]

Btw is it fine that I put the animation in 2 gestures

[covert patio]

so this is what m animator looks like. u pr much leave it alone i believe

[candid pulsar]

Ok

[covert patio]

if u mean u put the same like animation in two diff spots, thats fine!

[fierce bane]

@candid pulsar animator should be empty other than the avatar

[covert patio]

and heres where the override goes

[candid pulsar]

Thank you that’s all I need I think

[covert patio]

Ty Himeki!

[candid pulsar]

I’ll tell you in a bit if it works

[covert patio]

ok!

[fierce bane]

note that you don't NEED to put the override into sitting overrides unless you want to override sitting idle, or you want to use animations while in a seat

[covert patio]

Oh ok!

[odd latch]

using the animator toggle, can I switch between different animators on one object?
nvm, I'm an idiot, can only add one animator component on an object

[candid pulsar]

Still doing it fingers crossed though

[candid pulsar]

Here goes nothing

IT WORKED

Yes

@covert patio thank you so much

[covert patio]

YES congrats!!!

Welcome!!

[candid pulsar]

Now do I want to add particles to the sword though

Anyone know how to add music

Anyone know how to add particles as well

[covert patio]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFl5k3zh3-Q @candid pulsar this is a good audio one! Particles idk tho

[candid pulsar]

Ok thanks

But do you know how to do particles

What does the audio file have to be

Never mind

[fierce bane]

@odd latch since we can't adjust parameters we can't shift between animations for avatars.
The best option is a multi level animator chain...turning them on/off as needed for what you're doing
which is a crappy workaround...but it's all I know of that works

other than things like inventory systems, or probably stop motion to shift between

[candid pulsar]

What would happen if I paired a flame particle to my sword

[odd latch]

you'll have a better time watching tutorials instead of asking for every step in the discord

[candid pulsar]

Lol

[odd latch]

multilevel animator chain sounds good, it might be crazy enough to work
I'm don't necessarily want animator switching on the avatar body itself, just on some props I might want doing something different for different gestures

[candid pulsar]

Hmm

[fierce bane]

@odd latch then yeah, a chain of empty game objects with the prop at the bottom, and you can put a different animation on each that you can turn on and off

@candid pulsar tutorial on particle basics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEA1wTMJAR0

[candid pulsar]

Ok thanks

Anyone have any good fire effects that I can roll and scale

[fierce bane]

search for free assets on the store, or look up sprite sheets or animated texture sheets

[candid pulsar]

I have now made something that might be the game crashed

Crasher

[clear yew]

It's easy to accidentally do.

[candid pulsar]

Well crap

I can’t find the file great

Something is wrong the software can’t find the file

Someone help

[clear yew]

Help what

[candid pulsar]

It can’t find the vrchat.exe

[clear yew]

VRChat.exe? Who? What?

[candid pulsar]

The thing needed to upload

[clear yew]

What thing needed to upload. I don't understand your problem

[candid pulsar]

There’s a file source you need to upload VR Chat

[clear yew]

What, did you mess up your SDK or something? Delete it and reinstall it

[candid pulsar]

How?

It says it doesn’t existed

[clear yew]

What do you mean by it. Show a picture of the problem you're having please

[fierce bane]

delete the SDK files from your assets

close unity, go to the asset location, delete the VRCSDK folder and the .meta file, and the same from the plugins folder. then reopen unity and reimport the SDK

[fierce bane]

oh...that's not saying the vrchat exe isn't found at all...

[clear yew]

That's not asking about the VRChat.exe at all.
Solve your compiler issues first before asking about problems with upload

[candid pulsar]

Ok

But how do I fix

[fierce bane]

show the console window

[clear yew]

I have no idea why you're in your temp files

[glass yarrow]

also

https://app.prntscr.com/en/download.html

a great tool for screenshotting

[candid pulsar]

Ok but I’m using discord on phone (obviously from photo)

[glass yarrow]

maybe download it on your computer idk, it harder to help out with lower quality images

[candid pulsar]

How do I remove it from temp files

[clear yew]

Might be better to just start fresh with a new project and scenes, looks like your bungled your current project up a bit.
You can try to delete the script files and see if that helps but I have no idea why it's trying to look in your temp files for a file. I have no idea how you managed to make that happen.

[fierce bane]

they aren't in the temp files, temp files are created when you try to build and upload so it has a file to upload instead of an entire folder

[candid pulsar]

Ahh I see

[fierce bane]

remove ALL scripts from any of the particles you have

[candid pulsar]

Why

[fierce bane]

because you can't upload them with it

[candid pulsar]

What would that do

What

[clear yew]

It'd clear up some compiler errors for starters

[fierce bane]

you are only allowed SPECIFIC whitelisted scripts and components, not anything you want

[candid pulsar]

I already started a new project

[fierce bane]

then either you don't have all the needed files for the fire particles you added, or they're for the wrong version (or are otherwise corrupt somehow)

that's what your compiler is complaining about

[candid pulsar]

Ok

Would pyro particles have anything to do with it

[fierce bane]

that's literally what I just said...

[candid pulsar]

Actually I can remove some particle assets

Like lightning

[fierce bane]

it

[candid pulsar]

Since I’m not using that

[fierce bane]

is

pyro particles

[candid pulsar]

Ok

Actually yeah I saw the pink boxes

Time to get deleting

[clear yew]

Remove the script from the demo

[candid pulsar]

I’m not using that asset so I can remove it all together

[young hearth]

so i don't get it, Do you guys make Blink animation in Blender or Unity?

sources on google says Blender can do it and then some other sources says You can do it on Unity?

[candid pulsar]

Dunno

I’m basically a noob

[clear yew]

You make the blendshape for blinking in Blender.

[young hearth]

so creating Blinking has to be in Blender first?

[clear yew]

Pretty much, you can update the shapekey afterwards I guess

[young hearth]

and thats where Unity comes in then i guess

its pretty misleading

[clear yew]

What's misleading?

[young hearth]

sources saying Unity can make blinking animation

[clear yew]

What sources, they sound wrong

Blinking has and always been a blendshape thing

[young hearth]

just random google sources

[candid pulsar]

Maybe it means make it work?

[young hearth]

okay so don't rely on it

[candid pulsar]

So close to it being reloaded

[young hearth]

@clear yew do you know what lowerlid left and lowerlid right means?

[fierce bane]

@young hearth they're both right...but it depends entirely on what your model has available

[young hearth]

thats like mid blink right

[clear yew]

Means the lowerlids for the eye, it's only used when you're looking down. They can be empty

[young hearth]

oh okay

@fierce bane okay i see

[fierce bane]

technically you could use eyelid bones if they exist to make an animation entirely in unity

generally not a thing though

[clear yew]

Pain in the ass really

[candid pulsar]

Just to check could you make your sword have a dynamic bone so it sways on your hip

[fierce bane]

you can make a blinking animation in unity by making an animation for blend shapes if you want to be able to disable it for other facial animations (for example, closed eyes don't need to blink)

[young hearth]

so i can ignore lowerlids? good it will save me time.

[clear yew]

Yes you can if the sword is on its own bone

[fierce bane]

be aware VRChat tries to do blinking whenever it has the things it needs

[clear yew]

Just make empty blendshapes for them

[fierce bane]

so you're much better off to at least have the lowerlid blendshape either way

[clear yew]

The first four blendshapes need to be the blinking ones

[fierce bane]

even if it doesn't actually change anything

[young hearth]

okay panda says lowerlids means looking down right?

[fierce bane]

blink left, blink right, lowerlid left, lower lid right need to be the first 4 blend shapes to avoid issues

[clear yew]

It's only used in looking down, doesn't mean looking down

[fierce bane]

technically it'd be the opposite, lower lids go up when you look up, blink makes it blink

[young hearth]

oh i do look up and down in-game alot so that is a required

[fierce bane]

people rarely ever use actual lowerlid shapes, they still need to be there even if they do nothing though

[young hearth]

okay

[clear yew]

No, nobody really uses them

[young hearth]

so the shape keys can be blank

[candid pulsar]

Welp I’m going to take a trillion years to get this done

[fierce bane]

kinda....they have to move a vertex at least an imperceptible amount or they'll be deleted for being empty when exported

[young hearth]

okay so for making lowerlids, what do i edit

the eye lids right?

[candid pulsar]

Oh wait

I think I’m good now

[fierce bane]

just move any vertex (preferably on the lids since it's made for them anyway)

[candid pulsar]

It’s taking forever to future proof

[young hearth]

gotcha~

[fierce bane]

like I said, it doesn't have to be a visible difference, it just can't be empty

[clear yew]

I disable future proofing, it's no longer being used now

[candid pulsar]

Which is the usual length

Ok

Nevermind

[fierce bane]

@candid pulsar note for future upload stuff, go into vrcsdk settings and uncheck future proof publish it'll make it faster and skip that step

[candid pulsar]

Ok

So not really important got it

YES

ITS Working

Now will the particles and music work is the question

Here we go

It works all of it

Thank you everyone so much

It looks amazing

[candid pulsar]

Does anyone know how to make an avatar invisible via gesture

[young hearth]

you create an invisible animation which is easy

[candid pulsar]

@young hearth how

[young hearth]

well you're gonna have to search that on youtube

[candid pulsar]

Got a link maybe?

[young hearth]

not really, you'll want to learn how to make an animation and then making an invisible animation right after should be cake for you

[candid pulsar]

I know how to make animations but don’t know invisible

How would I make it invisible

@young hearth do you know how to make it invisible

That’s all I need

[young hearth]

you are basically creating an animation that has no models

[candid pulsar]

I see

But I don’t see as well

I get what your saying but don’t know how

[young hearth]

thats the point of invisible isn't it? if you want to see yourself in mirror while being invisible, there are something to it

[candid pulsar]

No just want to be invisible

[young hearth]

like i said just look up on how to make an animation as an example and listen to the guy

[candid pulsar]

Via a gesture

[young hearth]

yes via a gesture

[candid pulsar]

But there isn’t one

[covert patio]

Ok iv eonly made one failed invisible one but maybe just disable ur body the same way u enabled the sword

[candid pulsar]

Tried

[covert patio]

Or can that not be done-

[young hearth]

its the same as making you hold the sword

[candid pulsar]

Wait one sec

[covert patio]

Except u make the box unchecked insteas of checked in the gesture

Idk if thats how that works tbh tho.

I just know from experiene not to turn off skinned mesh renderer, cuz even when u seem to reappear for yourself, you don’t reappear for others

[candid pulsar]

Unchecked what

[covert patio]

So ykno how when u did the sword animation, within it the box is checkmarked for the sword so that it enables?

If the box is unchecked then it disables instead upon that gesture (if its enabled otherwise)

[candid pulsar]

Yeah so like the sword on the hip

Since one sword appears in hand while the other disappears from my hip

If this works I could theoretically jump scare

Does anyone know how to remove the name tag

@covert patio thanks for the help for everything

Yup works

At least for me

[covert patio]

I think for that you have to make a super big oval over the head and put an invisible shader on it

I wouldnt recommend it though tbh. Ppl tend to expect trouble from that

Ive heard its bannable? But i havent seen an actual rule down

And m glad makin the sword disappear from the hip is workin!

[candid pulsar]

Yeah the invisible is killing me so I’m gonna replace it with an ultimate form thing

Aka I stay invisible

[candid pulsar]

I believe I have made the avatar cooler

[finite marlin]

is there a way to toggle on an aspect of an avatar then also turn it off through emote tab?

[odd latch]

yes, look up xiexie's inventory system

[finite marlin]

thanks

[finite marlin]

whats the best way to toggle on and off all 10 finger trails in one go?

[covert patio]

Xiexe generates a disable all and enable all for all objects u give it! That could help if u didn’t make any other items

[finite marlin]

wanted to toggle on and off gasmask also is the problem :/

[covert patio]

Ooooo

Maybe go back to before u generated inventory systems if you have

And generate two different ones

One for the finger trails one for anyrhing else

Therefore the disable all for the fingertrails one will be diff than the others and wont disable other stuff

However do one at a time cuz i think disable alls and enable alls are named the same thing. So dont wanna get em mixed up.

[finite marlin]

how would i create all 10 on one disable all as i can only have 7 slots?

[proper hedge]

Just learn how emote toggles work, make something custom

In unity, make sure you have both animator tab and animation tab

Read what this does

Here is a video of someone doing emote toggles

https://youtu.be/XcJLjlQLq8Y

@finite marlin

[finite marlin]

thanks

[young hearth]

oooo gonna save that video

[proper hedge]

It's doing a little bit unnecessary stuff and it's based on old version of my package, but it works and overall is good tutorial

[finite marlin]

@proper hedge for this tutorial what would be the best way to get multiple things tho, in my case i have each trail on each different finger, would it be to have prefabs for each different finger?

[proper hedge]

If each finger is a separately enabled object, yes

You can technically do it with one setup, but the prefab won't do it for you, and it's more complicated since it involves the armature

I recommend just setting up multiple prefabs and turning them on/off as needed with whatever emote

[finite marlin]

so no way to get them all to toggle off with one easily then?

[proper hedge]

With one animation, yes, it is easy. With one prefab/set of animators, it's less easy and the prefab doesn't do that

Like, you can use multiple prefabs, and start them all with the same emote

[finite marlin]

oh right, how would u make multiple trigger off one emote?

[clear yew]

What's the difference between AvatarControllerTemplate.controller and CustomOverrideEmpty.overrideController

[fierce bane]

the avatar controller template is an example of what the controller in game is
The custom overrides go into the custom animation slots (same level as avatar descriptor), and override specific animations depending on the slot used

so custom overrides is what you need unless you're making a generic avatar with custom animations

[clear yew]

I see people using their finger gestures to trigger their dances instead of the emote slots, which controller would I use for that?

I tried using the override controller xD but it only animated my fingers based on the dance lmao

[fierce bane]

that is a different thing entirely, you still use the override controller for the gesture that enables the dance.
But instead of just having the dance itself in there, you make a duplicate that is shown and hide your normal avatar.
The duplicate would have an animator on the top level and in the controller of that animator it would have the dance animation. (just make a new controller and drop the animation in as default state)

[clear yew]

ooooooooooh

Thanks so much for the help ❤️

[clear yew]

How do I animate it though if there's an animator on the duplicate, when I go to animate it turning off the main avatar that i normally control, it cancels out the recording.

nvm I got it

[woven terrace]

any way to make duplicates of myself that copy the movements i make?

[clear yew]

I think you would have to blender that. Connecting your bones to theirs, kinda like a string puppet, I assume.

Don't take my word for it xD

Can't figure out how to get it to hide myself so I'll just have them dance in front of me x3

Modern Problems require modern solutions

[fierce bane]

@clear yew you would make your gesture turn off your main model, and enable the second model. The second model would have an animator on it, so it would start animating as soon as it was activated

[clear yew]

im going to record a quick video and you can tell me if im doing something wrong x3

If you don't mind

Normally you'd do that with rigid bodies.
Doing in in blender would make the bone roots be in weird places and have crazy bending that looks out of control

rigibodies are stinky

[fierce bane]

@woven terrace your options are shaders that make copies offset at a certain distance, FinalIK ($90 paid asset), or rigid bodies all over...last option is pretty crappy though...terrible on performance

@clear yew parent the duplicate to your main avatar, remove the descriptor and pipeline manager, and disable the entire OBJECT not the animator.
You need to hide the duplicate anyway, so there's no reason to disable the animator too

[clear yew]

remove the descriptor and pupeline manager from the main avatar? That doesn't dance?

because they're removed from the dancers

[clear yew]

lawl after I have everything finished

oh forgot to remove some audio sources

still a lawl

[young hearth]

oof

[fierce bane]

welcome to VRChat's crappy workarounds

performance is usually pretty bad....though that is quite a high poly count

[young hearth]

ikr

[clear yew]

you'd think duplicating the model would make it only reference that one model instead of literally making 7 separate models, smh

one model of mine is around 41k poly

which isn't high compared to most complicated eboy/girl model standards lmao

[young hearth]

🤔

[odd latch]

@woven terrace rigid bodies on main armature, and fixed joints on sub armature, although that's for different bodied setups like stands or exoskeletons
I'm not sure about exact duplicates but I also want to know which shader makes the model duplicates

[candid pulsar]

Anyone got a scythe

@odd latch damn that’s cool

Way Better than mine

[bitter gyro]

I'm not going to ping anybody, but the only clone shader I had was barebones and I had to edit it in notepad++ to get the values I wanted.

Also, Rigidbodies are probably something a lot easier to live with so long as you don't go crazy and put the joints on every single thing. Like you can really animate those extra fingers manually for each gesture. In fact, you may prefer that just to avoid the dreaded physics drift. Among other reason. As long as you're trying to be minimal, I guess it's the best situation if you cannot afford Final IK. Just keep in mind it will not function in combat worlds without a nice bit of effort.. like a lot.

[odd latch]

oh yeah, the armor floating behind me is awkward stiff on maps with the combat system on

[stoic fern]

anyone knows what animation is this called?

[little copper]

hi, im looking for a bit of help, don't know if any of you would be able to i'm trying to change/switch the animator of my avatar with a gesture, from a "normal-default" idle,walking, etc... animations, to flying animations, with a hand gesture. I saw someone with an avatar like that and it is possible, but i have no idea on how to do it, any help? 🙂

[young hearth]

its the gesture uh.....

@little copper

in Unity on the left hand side
Assets > VRCSDK > Examples > Sample Assets > Animation > and then you see CustomOverride

next to CoinAnim

click on it in unity and it will give you the whole list to your right and thats where you drop in your custom animation

be sure to use a Copy of CustomOverride, warning.

[little copper]

i know all of that, like im kinda experimented, but thanks, i think i just gave up, too complicated what im trying to do, ima just duplicate the avatar and just have different animations in each of them

[young hearth]

yeah sure

[fierce bane]

@little copper you can't actually swap custom overrides mid game in any way.
You can however have a secondary model and hide part of it to fit your animations.
So for example you can go from walking to floating by hiding the real legs, revealing the second, and having an animation on the second pair that has them off the ground.
Just be aware that non-humanoid bones won't animate differently when moving then when static by themselves (would have to use another gesture for example to simulate the moving animation mode)

[clear yew]

i tried to add blend shapes to my model and then using that model to replace my old one and now all my animations are messed up, animator controller and controller override are set and all the things parented to the model move correctly. can someone tell me how to fix this

What?

i replaced my base model by one with blend shapes

its the exact same except with blend shapes

How did you replace it, in windows explorer and just overwrite it?

imported into project

added into scene

and reparented everything

Does it have the same hierarchy as the old one? Why did you need to reparent everything?

yes it does and i reparented accessories

and particles

Are things named properly?

yep

Are the animation sources yellow? That'd indicate a hierarchy or naming convention issue

nothing yellow

Then what's wrong with the animation?

the model is always t posing

accessories move correctly though

Have you set it to a humanoid configuration?
Might be some pointer issue somewhere if it isn't that

pointer issue?

[fierce bane]

@clear yew when you say replaced your model, what exactly do you mean? did you only replace the body mesh? did you replace the entire avatar and re-add the descriptor/accessories/scripts?

[clear yew]

entire avatar

[fierce bane]

so accessories are moving correctly with the body, but the body mesh itself is in a permanent t-pose?

[clear yew]

yes

[fierce bane]

sounds like a weight painting issue really...

try going into pose mode in blender and moving the limbs around, do they move the mesh?

[clear yew]

im not on pc rn

but the model is just a y-bot from mixamo

[fierce bane]

when you're back on the pc and able to test fixes do the above then. If the mesh doesn't move, it isn't weighted to the bones

[delicate coyote]

Having a bit of trouble trying to get an animation to work. The animated part of the avatar is another avatar (generic rig) which carries the animation both in quat transforms at two joints and one blendshape for the mesh. I ran the animation successfully from the animation clip, and got it to run in a playtest in the unity editor. The problem is that I can't trigger the animation in VRC.

The entity is there and tracks with the rest of my avatar...it just doesn't activate.

[fierce bane]

are you activating the animation from a gesture? are you toggling on an animator on the object? are you enabling the object and having it animate?

[delicate coyote]

I'm attempting to activate the animation from a gesture. I'm using a fresh override, with a copy of the AvatarControllerTemplate from the VRCSDK.

[fierce bane]

you should just be using a custom override template, not the controller template

custom override goes into the "standing animations" in your avatar descriptor

and your gesture animation should be slotted into that override of course

main avatar's controller should also be empty for upload, it'll get overridden

[delicate coyote]

Okay...so in the "Animator" component, Controller should be "None" and the custom standing anims should have the override?

[zealous coral]

Speaking of animations, ive been having trouble adding music to my animations, ive looked all over and cant figure it out and videos online havent work

[fierce bane]

for your main avatar, yes

[delicate coyote]

Okay. That's done.

[fierce bane]

the other one shouldn't have a descriptor, just to cover bases here

[delicate coyote]

That's correct. It has no descriptor, and I only see one set of Avatar performance stats.

[fierce bane]

@zealous coral you just need an audio source component on the avatar (disabled by default), and you enable it in the animation. Due to more recent changes it might just be SUPER quiet in VRC

@delicate coyote so does the gesture itself animate the second model?

[delicate coyote]

That's what's supposed to happen.

[fierce bane]

and it's only 2 frames (0:00 and 0:01) and they are the same, correct?

[delicate coyote]

The animation in the second model? No, it's 15 frames, supposed to be 1/2 second...did it scale wrong? (Sorry, I built this out of Maya.)

It's a wing spreading animation. When triggered, it deploys the wings from folded to spread, and it's supposed to reverse when the trigger is released.

[fierce bane]

gestures themselves can ONLY be 1 frame long (2 keyframes)

if the animation was made in maya, it's made FOR that avatar, and not made to be done from your gesture

you'll need to activate an animator on the second model with the gesture, and not use the animation directly from it

[delicate coyote]

That's kind of what I figured anyway. There's an animator on the second model by default.

[fierce bane]

does it have a controller on it already? or is the slot for it empty

[delicate coyote]

The field for "Controller" accepts either the override or the controller. By default, it's empty.

[fierce bane]

yes, but is it STILL empty, that's what I'm asking

[delicate coyote]

No, I have the override in there.

[fierce bane]

remove the override

[delicate coyote]

Done.

[fierce bane]

make a new controller, drag and drop your animation file into that controller

check the animator panel to make sure it's in there and set as default

[delicate coyote]

The "base layer" in the animator has the "Entry" node, and there's an arrow from that node to the node with the animation file.

but the file is in there.

[fierce bane]

thats what you want

make sure the controller is slotted in your animator for that model too

[delicate coyote]

Done.

[fierce bane]

is the second model active before this animation?

[delicate coyote]

The wings model is always active. So, yes. (Sorry, it's been a while since I actually programmed on Unity.)

[fierce bane]

for future note, for something simple like wings, it's better to have it be part of the same model instead of a separate one.

makes it easier to animate and better on performance

For your current setup you need to have the animator on the wings disabled by default. Not the full object, just the behavior of the animator

@delicate coyote your gesture will need to toggle the behavior of the animator, which is not something accessible by default. This is a template animation that has it included.
Just select it, hit F2 and edit the path down to your wing animator

can just drag/drop this into whatever folder you want to put it in

[delicate coyote]

Wait, an animation clip?

[fierce bane]

it is just an animation file

you'd either copy the component in this to your gesture, or use this as the basis for your gesture

and then edit the path of the behavior component

[zealous coral]

@fierce bane dude im like an actual brainlet, can you help me through a discord call LMAO i can stream it

[fierce bane]

sorry I don't do calls

if you're stuck or confused, ask questions

[delicate coyote]

I don't see a path or behavior script.

[fierce bane]

the animation I put in the message above...download that, drag/drop somewhere in your assets, use it

that is what has the behavior toggle, go re read the instructions to edit path

I edited it with a mention to highlight it

[delicate coyote]

And the behaviors should be beteween the transitions list and the "Add Behaviour" button?

[fierce bane]

where are you talking about?

have you downloaded that animation yet and looked at it?

[delicate coyote]

I downloaded it twice. Each time, I selected the file and hit F2...and I was able to change the name in the project window, but I don't see any parameter for entity paths.

[fierce bane]

select the file, look at the "Animation" window, do you see the animator.behavior component?

[delicate coyote]

Oh THERE! I was looking at the "Animator" window. Okay, it reads "Example: Animation.Enabled, and hitting F12 shows me a path.

[fierce bane]

you need to match that path up to where your wing animator is

for example if it was named wings and it was attached to the chest it'd be armature/hip/spine/chest/wings (also assuming bone names)

[delicate coyote]

Got it.

BRB dinner...but

[delicate coyote]

back. okay. The animation template has the path to the root node of the wings assembly.

Root bone, sorry.

[fierce bane]

make sure the path includes the part with the animator on it

[delicate coyote]

Confirmed, the root bone of the wings assembly has the animator component.

[fierce bane]

should be good then, that animation (or at least a copy/paste of the component) should be your gesture

[delicate coyote]

Okay, let me be sure I have it right...the clip with the path goes in the gesture slot in the override, the override goes in the descriptor, and the path should trigger the animation when the gesture is activated?

[fierce bane]

Correct, just make sure the checkbox next to the animator on the wings is unchecked by default (behavior disabled)

[delicate coyote]

And the animation itself for the wing motion should be in another animator controller exclusive to that wings animator?

[delicate coyote]

(If it helps, I have another version of the avatar where the wings are part of the main avatar skeleton instead of being a seperate entity, and the animation clip is compiled with a generic rig, but the rig is then reconfigured to humanoid IK for VRC. This modular configuration was because I thought a humanoid rig wouldn't let the animator act on the bones.)

[fierce bane]

The animation for the wings should be in the controller for the animator at the top level of the wings. The one the gesture is set to enable

The humanoid rig won't allow animators to act on any assigned bones (hip, head, etc). Any non humanoid mapped bones can be animated without any issue.

The only difference in setup between the modular version and the combined is dependent on the animation. The animator just needs to be on the parent of what the animation acts on. (a root bone instead of "wing bone 1" for example)

[delicate coyote]

So for the combined version, I'd need to have an animator in the chest, because that's the parent bone for the wing joints?

[fierce bane]

putting it on a humanoid bone isn't a good idea, making a root bone between the chest and wing bones is a better way to do it

which is also a good idea if you plan to use dynamic bones

[delicate coyote]

Let's see if I can do this without messing up my weight mapping...

[fierce bane]

you're just adding a bone (parented to chest) and reparenting the wings to it

select tail end of chest bone, hit E (and then y or z for a single axis drag), drag a short distance and click to place it.
Select each wing and parent to that bone

if you keep "connected" unchecked for the wing bones they won't try to attach directly to the new root bone and will stay where they are

[delicate coyote]

Actually I just added the new joint to the hierarchy (Wings_Base) in maya, just need to send to Unity.

[fierce bane]

er...my bad, I'm used to blender and default to explaining in that

completely forgot you were using maya

[delicate coyote]

Meh, we're both dealing with unity in the end. I work off of the prefab from the import, that makes it easy to handle upstream mods (e.g., weight paint fixes) because Unity updates from the prefab.

[fierce bane]

mostly, just make sure the change is in the scene and it's set up right

it can be...special sometimes..

[delicate coyote]

And there it is in the hierarchy.

The prefab needs to be re-rigged to generic so I can get the animation from all the bones...

BTW thanks for all the info, I cannot find a decent information site on how to do this.

Okay, re-rigged back to humanoid, the animation has the wingbones...

Hello...the wings module has its own pelvis, hip, abdomen, and chest. Let's clear those bones out and check the animation, re-path to the root...

[delicate coyote]

Okay. I've gone back to the combined avatar, and the good news is I can get the animation to work with the rig as humanoid. Here's where things get a little strange...when I get the animation to run, the avatar gets in this crouch position like in the "Muscles and Settings" tab in the rig configuration screen.

In order to make everything work, I have the animator on the root bone so it has the pathing to the mesh (which is an immediate child of the root, because if I parent that mesh to the same bone as the wings, the mesh wants to sum its own rotation and the weighting from the skeleton), and the pathing works to all of the relevant joints.

The problem is the "bridging clip" you sent me...it doesn't seem to want to bridge. I'm going to try to generate a new animation clip from scratch.

[fierce bane]

@delicate coyote the only thing I gave you is an animator behavior toggle animation
No idea what you're talking about with "bridging"
What is on the mesh that you need that animation to change?

also is it changing over time, or is it just something you want to activate or deactivate instantly?

[delicate mango]

so i have a problem doing custom overrides, i try to position my avatar's fingers (i am giving my avatar a weapon) and the fingers do not move. any tips?

[clear yew]

ok

i fixed my issue

i added 2 shape keys and set them to absolute

[kindred trout]

there is an animation that I want to do: I want the weapon on my avatar constantly floating up and down in the air when the weapon is activated upon doing gesture. I put an animator on the weapon and somehow the animation works if the weapon is always activated (the box in unity for the model checked), but it does not work when I hide the weapon.

[torn pawn]

make like this:
GO (with animator moving GO2)
-GO2
--Sword
you can disable the sword, but GO2 will still be moving

or put any other effects you want to under GO2

[kindred trout]

do you mean making a dummy for my avatar

[steel perch]

My blinking is not working in vrchat even though I'v tried everything, it seems as my eye tracking s broken too?

Nvm ifixed it had to put it to legacy settings.

[torn pawn]

legacy settings?

[steel perch]

Don't worry about it. I did not explain my problem correctly. I fixed my issue.

[fierce bane]

@delicate mango are you trying to rotate the fingers from the object?
If so that is why. Humanoid bones have to be animated using the animator.<muscle> properties.
"Muscle Animation Editor" helps a lot with setting them up, you can do it manually, it's just a lot more work to add each part.

[delicate mango]

Alright thanks king

[clear yew]

can someone help me put sound into my emotes?

it just doesnt work when i do it

and im really frustrated now

[fierce bane]

Place audio source object somewhere (usually in the top level where body/armature are so the sound doesn't move around)
Disable the audio object
In the emote animation, enable the audio object.

@clear yew ⬆️ forgot to mention, my bad

[kindred trout]

@torn pawn Legacy is unchecked for the animation

[timid prawn]

am not sure why but my generic avatar animation seem to be only local. Its stay stiff on other player

[candid pulsar]

can anyone help me with downloading something off sketchfab

[fierce bane]

@timid prawn the only generic animation people will see right now is idle
That might eventually change, but it's due to the networked IK not transfering all the needed information

so if you have an idle people will probably see that whether you're still or moving

[delicate coyote]

Okay...the animation I'm calling the "bridge" is the one-frame gesture animation you gave me...the one that's supposed to activate the wing spreading animation.

[fierce bane]

@delicate coyote it's just a component you can't normally access in the editor.
If you set the path for it to the animator, it will activate the animator.
That is all it does, If you want to change a blendshape too, put that in with it

[delicate coyote]

The problem is, it's not activating the animator. I even tested it by putting the clip in the idle slot so it would trigger automatically. It didn't.

The animator is in the root node, and it triggers the wings when activated. That much works.

[clear yew]

@fierce bane can you accept my friend request?

[fierce bane]

@clear yew no I don't accept random ones

[delicate coyote]

Okay, I think I might have an alternative that so far looks promising. I wrote a simple script to actuate the wing animation and associated sounds. 42 lines of code total including whitespace. When the script is activated, it plays the animation forward. When it's deactivated, it plays the animation backwards to the start.

The thing is I have to leave the animator on for this to work.

[clear yew]

I don't think your script is going to work, scripting has been left disabled except for one exception

[bitter gyro]

Custom scripting is an obvious nogo.

[fierce bane]

if custom scripting was allowed people would be free to do whatever they wanted, not just to themselves but to others as well

[delicate coyote]

Argh. And it worked too.

[broken jasper]

does anyone have any clue as to why muscle animation editor cant be opened despite having imported the asset alreadY?

[delicate coyote]

Is it possible to access a property in an animation in a parent branch?

[fierce bane]

@broken jasper check your console, see if there's any related errors

[broken jasper]

nothing related?

[delicate coyote]

Wait...was I supposed to be using an animator component or animation component in the inspector?

[fierce bane]

animator

animation is a legacy component and doesn't work in vrc

@broken jasper check the pavo/mae/editor folder, make sure the scripts are in there

[delicate coyote]

Gah, it's like I'm so close. okay, I'm copying my animation clip, and deleting everything between start and end, then placing start at frame 0, and end at frame 1. Basic arrangement for gesture animation, right?

[fierce bane]

yes

both being the same values

[delicate coyote]

Those same values should be the start or the end?

[fierce bane]

frame 0 and 1 should be the same

[delicate coyote]

Would the frame values represent the wings open or closed, with closed being the default at start?

[fierce bane]

open

the gesture is what you want to happen when held

[delicate coyote]

Okay...then let's keep this version simple. Once I figure out how to do activations and deactivations in the animation timeline (I could not find that property) I can trigger something more complex later.

And believe me, I am not going to start throwing around those obnoxious eye-twisting shaders...nothing sucks more than being on a kart track and suddenly the world goes pixelated.

[fierce bane]

yeah I tend to cocoon as soon as those or screenshake start up

what do you mean by "activations and deactivations in the animation timeline"

[delicate coyote]

I'm looking for an "enabled" or "active" flag to key on.

[fierce bane]

for what exactly?

[delicate coyote]

Let's say I wanted to go back and trigger a more complex animation or a combination of actions (animation with sound). The animation timeline for the desired effect spreads over maybe a second, but has intermediate states before the end.

The gesture holds a one-frame "turn this on" property.

[fierce bane]

you have to enable an animator with the animation you want if it's longer than one frame

that's why I sent that template animation before, it's not in the component list unless you have a modified editor script for it

[delicate coyote]

Huh. Are the start and end frames supposed to have a value of 0?

[fierce bane]

if you're turning something off, yes
If you're turning something on they should be 1

[delicate coyote]

And I should be able to change that in the field in the property line?

[fierce bane]

Yes

sorry, forgot that one defaults to 0 since someone needed to turn it off originally...

assumed since you were making animations, you understood properties more easily and didn't clarify

[delicate coyote]

And now comes the programmer's epiphany....where I knew that I was missing something really simple and stupid and couldn't find it, and now there it is. Gah. It's like finding that I missed a capital in a variable identifier or something.

[fierce bane]

or that one semicolon

[delicate coyote]

Well, yeah, I did...though sometimes things don't always translate.

Or it's a case of..."well, it should be doing this, why can't I find the stupid command?"

Semicolons are easier with a decent IDE. There's a bazillion red squiggles and they have to start somewhere...

[fierce bane]

lol fair point

[delicate coyote]

I was also trying to figure out how to test before uploading.

Well, a basic gesture animation works in VRC. So...thank you. I've at least got that much.

[fierce bane]

@delicate coyote rough in-editor testing for gestures
put a gesture in to the "testing gesture" animation slot in the "AnimTesting" layer, and just check the "gesture" parameter when you want to turn it on/off

just make sure you have the vrcsdk imported first since it uses the tpose anim

[delicate coyote]

Thanks!

[fierce bane]

it's just a fairly simple controller with a few layers to use, but it's all I've needed so I haven't gone further in a while

it's just a fairly simple controller with a few layers to use, but it's all I've needed so I haven't gone further in a while

[fierce bane]

forgot to mention, but since it's a controller, drop it into your avatar's controller slot

[zealous coral]

Okay so I got the animation and song working but in game my default model stands in the middle while the animation model goes,how do I fix

[clear yew]

@fierce bane it works in unity. But when i acutally upload it doesnt work. The sdk also tells me that the audios are in. I dont know why they just dont trigger for me when i play the emotes.

i sent a friend request bcuz i wanted to screen share since that is way easier. (im pretty new to the unity thing and explaining stuff with words makes it more confusing to me). I did the videos on youtube. I just dont find the problem.

[fierce bane]

@clear yew Do you have the custom override in the avatar descriptor's "standing animations" slot?
Is the gesture in the custom override?
If yes to both, send a screenshot of the animation, and of your audio source

@zealous coral you need to either hide (with a material swap), or disable your avatar's body mesh.

[clear yew]

you mean the custom override where i put the emotes in?

or in the copys where i test the emotes with sound n stuff

the emotes play in vrchat.

but the audios dont click

i do have it in though

thats the cat

i put the emote in

and the sounds are here in the Main Avatar u upload in the end

gave them random names so it wont get confused

@fierce bane

placed them in the hips

[fierce bane]

@clear yew ...if you give them random names, how is the animation supposed to find them?

the duplicates don't upload with you, they are supposed to be a DUPLICATE, as in "an exact copy" of your avatar for a reason.
the name of the audio needs to match on both

instead of preventing it from getting confused, you're making it confused.
It's like saying "hey go tell Jim to come in here" and then the person walks into a room with no "Jim"

also you have the audio in the hips on one, but the avatar level on the other
"go get Jim from room C" but Jim is in room A

[young hearth]

excuse me for asking, but where do you guys get those animations from? you know like fortnite dances, break dances, kpop etc

[clear yew]

shadow

uhm? what?

nvm

accept my friend request im getting warned by the bot for some reason

[fierce bane]

sending too many messages at a time warns you, it expects it's spam

[clear yew]

@fierce bane i get what youre meaning but im still a bit confused on what i have to do

[fierce bane]

set up your audio source objects on the MAIN model
Duplicate main model
Animate on duplicate to enable audio objects
???
Profit

your duplicate should be an exact copy of your main model, no differences in name or setup

[clear yew]

ohhh

ok

let me try

[clear yew]

@fierce bane i copied the main. Tagged the audiosource in the copy of the main, put the animation in the animator. and it still doesnt work ingame.

is there really no way to like call you and screenshare?

[fierce bane]

animation shouldn't be in an animator, do you mean the custom override?

can't remember if "bypass listener effects" caused issues, I'd leave "play on awake" and "bypass reverb" on but keep the others off

there's also a VRC specific audio component...spatial audio I think?

goes on in addition to audio source

[clear yew]

in the duplicate i put the animation in th animatior controller

[fierce bane]

to test it in Unity?

[clear yew]

yea

[fierce bane]

and it doesn't play sound when you go into play mode?

[clear yew]

it does

it works on unity

when i upload it doesnt

[fierce bane]

and the animation is in the custom override, which is in the main avatar, correct?

[clear yew]

yea

[fierce bane]

uncheck "bypass effects" and "bypass listener effects" and try again

[clear yew]

okey

[fierce bane]

if it works in Unity and it's an exact duplicate, there are only a few things I can think of. That being one

another being that it IS playing but it's very quiet because of the more recent changes...
You can try using the VRC_SpatialAudioSource and increasing the gain to 10 to see if you can hear it at all
...also just to be sure, make sure your avatar audio is up in game too

[clear yew]

the other emotes work just fine. The sound everything

[fierce bane]

are you making an emote or a gesture?

[clear yew]

an emote

still no sound

im a hopeless case rn

hey tylerz

[fierce bane]

are you sure you're using the right custom override? It's the only thing I can think of that could be stopping it

[clear yew]

im really not sure himeki im trying it for 2 days now im getting frustrated lmao

[fierce bane]

and when testing in game, are you switching off and back to the avatar?

[clear yew]

yea

i am

my other emotes work

but not the ones i just got in

thats why i was asking if i could add you

[fierce bane]

select your main avatar, click in the box for the standing animations, that should select the custom override
Make sure it's slotted in there and you didn't make an extra or something

[covert patio]

Quick question! I tried google but idk rlly how to word it, but what timescale does unity animator use? Is 1:00 a minute or a second? when i hit the play button is it just scrolling through this minute super quickly or is it really just one second. pls and ty!

this lil guy in the animation tab for reference

[fierce bane]

@covert patio it doesn't technically use a timescale for animations.
It uses frames, by default though 1:00 is 1 second as it is set to 60 frames per second (you can see that on the left under "samples")

[covert patio]

Ooo gotcha! Thank you!!

[fierce bane]

that description's a bit confusing and badly worded...
TLDR: 1:00 is 1 second, you can choose how many frames are shown in that time if needed by changing the "samples" on the left above components

Remember, gestures can only be one frame, 0:00 to 0:01.
Other animations can be more

[covert patio]

OH ok gotcha gotcha

thank u!!!

yeee im makin an idle animation and i was like "why is it playin so fast if its supposed to be one minute..."

that makes much more sense. thank u!

[fierce bane]

you can actually select all the keyframes and drag a line on the right to expand the current animation out to the 1 minute line

@covert patio ⬆️ just to make things easier on you

[covert patio]

SWEET

IT HAS been done!

Thank u!!

[young hearth]

the animation tab kept opening by itself and always changed to it, is there a way to stop it from doing that?

its getting annoying

[azure ocean]

I'm not sure if this is the right channel, but I'm having trouble with lip-sync. My avatar's mouth is stuck in an open smiling mouth position. I've followed several youtube tutorial videos on shape keys and making sure lipsync works, so I'm at abit of a loss. (I'm a noobie, my abilities extend to the availability of tutorials to follow)

[clear flicker]

is this after you talk or before you even say anything

[azure ocean]

Just fixed, always stuck at smiling mouth no matter of talking status. (Changed display name fyi)

[clear flicker]

And what does your basis blend shape look like

[azure ocean]

Not sure what that means, but the mouth is closed in blender.

I don't know how to hide the black keys

[clear flicker]

the first blend shape

[azure ocean]

I haven't figured out how to select individual keys yet. :x

[clear flicker]

just clicking them does it :-), can you show me the basis one in edit mode

[azure ocean]

How do I do that? I've changed to edit mode but I still can't right click to select any of the keys. If I do, it just selects all of them

[clear flicker]

if the key is in blue its selected

say if you click AA in edit mode youll see the mouth open

[azure ocean]

Yea

[clear flicker]

alright, so its probably a unity issue then

[azure ocean]

That's how the mouth is stuck ingame

[clear flicker]

what blend shape do you have selected as sil in unity

[azure ocean]

sil?

[clear flicker]

silent

[azure ocean]

I'll have to open it

[clear flicker]

No prob

[azure ocean]

This is how it looks in unity

[clear flicker]

alright and what blend shape is selected as sil

click the mesh and look at the viscemes

[azure ocean]

Is it vrc.v_sil you referred to?

It looks closed in blender too

[clear flicker]

hmmm

im not sure then, thats as much as i know hhaha

[azure ocean]

Haha, oh well. Thank you so much anyway. I was just about to say, even if it's just a mistake there, I'd still have thought that the lips at least move when I talk in game, but they don't

So I'm super confused.

[warm shard]

Is anyone experienced with particles at all here? I can't seem to get mine to actually follow the avatar's hand correctly. In Unity it looks fine but in-game, the particles just stay in one spot, even though the particles are attached to the wrist. It'll follow which direction it faces, just not where it is.

[fierce bane]

@azure ocean check the humanoid rig mappings, see if jaw is mapped to anything, if it is remove it

just an extra note, you're confusing terms in blender. The black wireframe arrow things are bones, not keys.

@warm shard are you using world or local sim?

[warm shard]

world. Also, I just fixed it, it follows the hands now. Had to use ik_follower. Only issue now is that I think the lifetime might be too long and some of the particles don't appear in game

@fierce bane

[fierce bane]

lifetime would only stop others from appearing if there was a particle limit and it was emitting too quickly for that particular particle to show it all. (still should put a limit in btw)

[warm shard]

I thought it needed a lesser lifetime since it took a while for the particles to dissipate, which if you moved your arm enough it would lag the game a bit until the previous particles ended

[fierce bane]

oh are you using particle over distance?

[warm shard]

No, don't see that option actually. That or I'm blind. If you want I can screenshot the settings I have set in the particle system

[fierce bane]

emission section and top section would help

[warm shard]

That helpful? Sorry if I cropped it wrong

[fierce bane]

didn't expand emission section
extra note, start rotation is from 0 to 360 you can go in multiples of it, but it doesn't act any different.

also remember lifetime is in seconds (unless you sim speed isn't 1, then it depends on that)

[warm shard]

My bad, didn't know you could actually expand the emission section. Rate Over Time is 15 but Rate over Distance is 0. Burst list is empty

[fierce bane]

all of those gray bars are different sections to set up

[warm shard]

Good to know now

[fierce bane]

rate over time is a constant emission rate
burst fires off a certain number of particles a certain number of times (or infinite)
over distance depends on the amount you move to emit

This is a good overview on particle systems if you're interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEA1wTMJAR0

[warm shard]

What would I change to make it seem like the particles don't trail behind the hand, more as if it's just stuck to it?

[fierce bane]

just attached and moving with the hand?

just use local sim particles instead

[warm shard]

I mean, when you move your hand it just leaves afterimages of itself and forms and I want it to just be still on the hand with no afterimages behind

[fierce bane]

local sim means local to the object they're attached to, movement, rotation etc
world sim means movement is based on the world

[azure ocean]

@fierce bane Humanoid rig mappings in unity?

[fierce bane]

@azure ocean select the avatar in unity, go to the rig tab, and click configure

you should always check the rig on any new model you use

[azure ocean]

This is what I see

[fierce bane]

right side, REMOVE the jaw from the mapping

you can click the O to pull up a list, scroll up and select "None"

you should check the other sections as well to make sure things are mapped properly

[azure ocean]

I don't know what "properly" is so I wouldn't recognize right from wrong

I'm very, very new at this

Like this?

[fierce bane]

yes

[azure ocean]

❤️

[fierce bane]

screenshot the body with everything shown on the far left as well (don't search)

[azure ocean]

Like this?

[warm shard]

Okay, setting it to local worked, thanks. Only issue is that some of the particles don't show up but that's it. Thanks for the help so far

[fierce bane]

@azure ocean yes that section looks fine, can you scroll down more?

[azure ocean]

Should I use Body or Head for the face mesh on the right ?

[fierce bane]

head is not a mesh, it is the head bone
You should use body

and I meant scroll down on the right side

[azure ocean]

Oh sorry 😛

there's nothing more on the right side than this

[fierce bane]

no, in the rig config, below the right arm

[azure ocean]

2 sec mapping these

[fierce bane]

yeah looks fine

[azure ocean]

Hmm this is a new error / warning in the builder

[fierce bane]

did you remove the animator from the avatar? it should have been where the descriptor was placed

OH

you put the descriptor on the wrong spot

don't delete it yet

click the gear in the top right where the avatar descriptor is

and hit copy component

then remove it and the pipeline manager below it

select the top level which for you is "zelda"

and then click a gear on the right, and hit "paste component as new"

if the pipeline manager doesn't appear, add that too

[azure ocean]

Ohh. Done that now.

I guess I was placing it in the wrong spot?

[fierce bane]

it should always be placed on the top level, not on the armature or body

it has to be on what contains the armature and body

[azure ocean]

😬

I'll blame my noobiness

Okey I'm trying to upload it now to see how it goes ingame

It worked!!! ♡

Lip sync and all. No facial animations yet but I guess that's the next thing to lurk youtube videos about 😬

[fierce bane]

look up how to do gestures and use blendshapes (there's a dropdown under "body" near the top that says blendshapes, 0 is off 100 is maximum.)

[azure ocean]

I will do just that then!

[warm shard]

I'm trying to figure out why some of the particles don't appear at all and why some are oddly offset. I wanna assume it's because I had to change them to vrchat-mobile-particles-additive, but I'm confused why it doesn't look the same between in-game and Unity

[fierce bane]

lighting in worlds has an effect on the way common shaders look, that includes those used for particles

additive adds values based on lighting and background etc for example

if you want it to always look the same regardless of lighting, you'd want an unlit shader of some kind

I don't know what you mean by them not appearing though, can't really say without seeing what you do

[warm shard]

Well, it seems like it doesn't appear regardless of how dark or bright worlds are so I'm sorta confused

[fierce bane]

for the offset ones, do you have them under the IK follower?

[warm shard]

As for 'not appearing', I mean in Unity you can see the start up of the particles and a few ring effects, etc. But in game those just aren't there. Only one or two particles actually is visible

And yeah, they're under an ik follower so they can stay on the hand

[fierce bane]

is the ik follower offset in unity? or is it at 0,0,0 for translation/rotation

[warm shard]

No, it's at 0 on everything except the scaling

[fierce bane]

and do you have the particle directly under it?

[warm shard]

In the heirarchy, yes. If you mean position-wise, no, the particles are a bit below it

[fierce bane]

hierarchy wise, they are a direct child?

[warm shard]

Yes, the particles are child of the ik follower

[fierce bane]

do they seem like they're closer to the ik follower point than they should be when in game?

[warm shard]

Yeah

[fierce bane]

put an empty game object between the follower and the particles, set the empty object at 0,0,0

[warm shard]

What do you mean by "between"? as in make it child of ik follower or..?

[fierce bane]

yes, make an empty game object as the child of the ik follower, and make the particles the child of that

[warm shard]

Alright, did that. So, I guess that makes it so the particles aren't affected by the ik follower's position while still being a child of something in it?

[fierce bane]

they aren't being forcibly set to 0,0,0 despite giving them an offset. The empty object is instead being set to 0,0,0 and the particles keep their offsets

it's a weird quirk of the ik follower...I'm not a fan of it

you should only need the ik follower for world sim particles though

[warm shard]

I set most of them to local since that keeps it on the hand the way I want it. I'm only confused on why some of the particles don't appear is all now

[clear yew]

Are you in fullbody? IK follower breaks in fullbody.

[warm shard]

No fullbody

Kinda why I am using ik follower instead so it's Quest compatible and works instead of using rigid body for pc

[fierce bane]

physics objects don't work at all in quest

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-limitations#section-components

particles are heavily limited as well

[warm shard]

Possibly why some of mine aren't showing up since if you want them to be quest compatible, you'd have to switch their shader to the vrchat-mobile particles. Nor can you have too many particles or ones that make your file size too large

[naive cipher]

So lets say I want to make a gun appear in my avatar's hand using an animation, how would I do that? Would I have the gun just be really tiny inside the hand, and then grow the gun when the animation is triggered? And if I was to do that, would I animate the gun or the character?

[fierce bane]

you'd start with the gun disabled, top left checkbox in the inspector while it is selected

you then enable that checkbox to have the gun appear in your hand

[warm shard]

Place the gun into his hand (usually says left/right wrist) in the heirarchy, resize it and position it the way you want, then hide the gun by just unchecking it in the inspector. Then you'll want to make a new animation (you can make a new controller too if you wish) Then in that animation tab you can click a record button. When you do, unhide the gun and stop recording

[clear yew]

If the gun is already there on the model you can make a blendshape to enable/disable it. That's the better route to take.
Otherwise you can just enable/disable the object if you're doing it through unity.

[naive cipher]

I'll try Sam's method first

[fierce bane]

you can also do a material swap to make it go from invisible to visible...IMO better than a blendshape adjustment as it appears in your hand instead of "growing" quickly into it.

[warm shard]

You can shape the way their hands wrap around the gun too. Usually I'd copy and paste the values of the hands from another animation, like the animation for a fist, then you can change the values of the fingers by either changing the number manually or scrolling back and forth

[clear yew]

Mat swapping works too but then you'll have to have a separate material for that to happen

[warm shard]

I'd just hide it and then make the animation enable it

Also, make sure the animation is at least 2 frames long and that every frame is the same. Otherwise it'll either stick to your hand in an odd way, your fingers will twitch, or the gun spazzes out

[fierce bane]

1 frame long, 2 keyframes total, and only that long for a gesture

[warm shard]

For a hand gesture yeah

[naive cipher]

So just to be sure, I put a single keyframe like this?

[fierce bane]

no, you NEED two keyframes at minimum

[warm shard]

Add another keyframe on the 2nd frame

[fierce bane]

scroll in on the right until you can see 0:01 and put a second keyframe there

[naive cipher]

So at 0, I have a keyframe that is just the gun being super small, and at 1, I have a keyframe that brings the gun to a normal size?

[warm shard]

Should look something like that

[fierce bane]

not at 1 but at 0:01

the longer you make it the longer it'll delay everything until it is done

[naive cipher]

So this.

[fierce bane]

yes, just make sure they're they same or it'll twitch between them

[naive cipher]

So I just attatch that to a custom animator and it'll work?

[warm shard]

Yes. Go to a custom animator and place that animation into whatever hand gesture slot you want

[fierce bane]

duplicate the "Custom Override" from the SDK, name it something you'll remember

place that on your avatar descriptor under "standing animations" and slot your animation into the gesture slot you want it to be in (on the custom override)

not a custom animator, that's something different entirely

[naive cipher]

Yeah, the override

Well hopefully I did everything right, I'm gonna upload now and see how it goes

god damnit the sdk broke again

[fierce bane]

broke how?

[naive cipher]

There's no more options here

[fierce bane]

you probably imported something with a script that messed things up

usually the cause

[naive cipher]

Yeah, the model I was using did have some dynamic bones

Is there a way to fix that?

[fierce bane]

check the console

[warm shard]

If it says something about script errors in the editor, try deleting the sdk from your Unity project entirely (delete it from prefabs too) Close out Unity, go to the vrchat website and install the newest sdk again, then add that back into Unity.

[naive cipher]

Guess i'll do that

[fierce bane]

never import the SDK with a package either, import your own and uncheck the SDK folder on any imports

[naive cipher]

So here, I would unselect this folder?

[fierce bane]

if that's a model or something, yes
If that's the SDK no

but make sure you delete all the VRCSDK folders you can find before re-importing

[naive cipher]

All right

[fierce bane]

including the VRCSDK folder in plugins

[warm shard]

Also those particles are still oddly offset. Should I change the position of the game object that's in the ik_follower object?

[fierce bane]

it should be 0,0,0

[warm shard]

not sure why the particles are still offset still then

They just go to wherever the game object is instead of staying where their own transform is

[fierce bane]

if they're not world particles, don't use it at all

[warm shard]

They're on local

[fierce bane]

I really don't like the way it was made...I use a fixed joint/rigid body more often as it works the way you expect it to...
Just avoid using a lot of them, they also don't work for quest at all...though I don't think the IK follower works for quest either, but I'm not sure

then yeah...don't even use the IK follower, just attach the particles to the wrist

personally I use empty objects to contain the particles and help keep things neat.
So wrist>empty (named) object>particles

[warm shard]

I did have them attached to the wrist before I used the ik follower, but they didn't follow the hand at all, only where it was facing, that's why I used the ik follower in the first place

[fierce bane]

you were using world sim before though

[warm shard]

I'll try it again then

Aside from that, any idea why some of the particles might not appear, unless if it's because they use the vrchat-mobile particles shader?

[fierce bane]

local particles should follow without issues, world particles will not follow at all, but need a follower or a fixed/rigid to be in the correct position and follow properly

probably just quest being quest from what I'd guess

if you can test without quest, do that. See if it works properly on desktop or PC VR

quest is very limited due to it's low capabilities

[warm shard]

Okay so I maybe messed up the lifetime or something for one particle system but for god knows what reason, the particles show up now

Not sure why but the particles just pop in and out of existence on my screen, but for everyone else it's constant

[fierce bane]

go down to the render tab and set max size to 10

[warm shard]

Don't see that in the renderer tab. I can change Sorting Fudge to change if that helps though I doubt it

[fierce bane]

not related no
you're looking for minimum and maximum sizes

screenshot the render section and I can mark it

[warm shard]

This the right section? Also most of it just appears as nothing since multiple particles are selected

[fierce bane]

@warm shard you're not seeing that option because you're using a mesh render.
Mesh renders are reliant on the default bounds box of the mesh. If it thinks it's out of your view it disables the object. You can see that in any mesh that doesn't fit the expected bounds properly

[warm shard]

So, what should I try to do to fix it? I mean it's mainly just a nitpick so if I can't fix it really then it's fine

[torn pawn]

There's something with local particles and your hips not being in view

I couldn't figure out how to fix it, so I just made local particles on fixed joint as well to counter this cull issue

Tried many different things 🤷‍♀️

[warm shard]

Kind of a dumb question but what are the best ways to reduce lag from particles for other people? Some were saying they were getting frame drops and I don't wanna screw up people's game by accident

[fierce bane]

less particles, avoid collision or lights with them, and meshes are significantly more demanding than other types, use only when you need a 3d shape

gravity also has a slightly higher demand than other settings

[warm shard]

Okay, so should I switch the particles from using a mesh to using nothing? Or one of the billboard types?

[fierce bane]

if it's nothing it won't render anything

the setting you use depends on what you're doing

in most cases you're fine just using billboard (or one of the others, depending)

[warm shard]

For now I might just lower particle count to see if that helps since the billboard settings don't seem to help as much

[fierce bane]

billboard is basically "take this material, put it on a quad, and have it always face the person viewing it"

mesh is "render this entire mesh" so billboard is always better on performance than mesh

vertical billboard is the same as billboard, but it locks it to only rotate to the sides, the top and bottom stay as top and bottom
horizontal is similar

[warm shard]

Thanks for the info. For now I'm just leaving it as is with a lower particle count. Doesn't look too bad and hopefully has better performance for everyone else, since I dropped each particle limit from about 100 down to 30

The one thing that's still odd is how the one particle system does that disappearing thing which you said it was because it thinks it's out of my view or something and is disabling it. Not quite sure what fixes it. It's odd because it looks like after a while the particles will start to actually show, then later on stops being visible again

[fierce bane]

Yuumi was saying that using a fixed joint/rigid system was able to fix that.
If you look up/down and it appears/disappears that'll probably fix it

what effect are you trying to make that you're using mesh particles?

[warm shard]

The effect is more like a particle sphere that rests inside your hand. Or, more like a dozen lines that travel in a circular motion fast enough to make it look like a sphere

[fierce bane]

if it's just a sphere and nothing else you can do that with a simple billboard particle that has a texture that looks like a circle, it'll always face you and look like a sphere

[warm shard]

I tried using that but for some reason the texture it was already using didn't go well with it. It ended up looking more like a blob instead of what it normally looks like

It's not too big of a deal though, maybe I'll find a different work around later

[fierce bane]

do you have something adjusting scale near it?

[split flower]

Hey i fixed this problem before but its been so long that i forgot how to do it again, when i go to animate my latest creation after creating a duplicate it will jump back up when i move my curser into the scene but when i move or play the animation again my avatar moves back down. i forgot how to fix this plz help

(side note) the animation contains nothing involving moving the position of the avatar just fingers and some blend shapes

but when i move my curser into the scene to move the view or to rotate that avatar jumps back up and it makes it impossible to tell where i need to move the camera to see better

Nevermind i figured it out again all you have to do is remove any dynamic bones on the hips while animating the duplicate

YAY for me

[candid pulsar]

Anybody know how to make an animation where particles swirl around the model then make it disappear

[candid pulsar]

Hello

Anyone?

[candid pulsar]

😢

[warm shard]

@candid pulsar I'd say mess with the values of the particles a bit until you can get them to swirl around the model the way you want. Then make an animation that enables the particles, then at whatever keyframe you want, make it so it disables the model

[warm shard]

Alright, so I went back to my model and changed most of his particles from meshes to billboard. The one that confuses me now is that when it's switched to billboard, it's size depends on the distance from the camera, and none of the other particles have this effect. What causes this?

[clear yew]

In the renderer tab of the particle system, you have a minimum and maximum particle size

[warm shard]

Okay, got it

[warm shard]

The minimum and maximum are the same, yet it changes size relative to camera anyway

Might just keep it on mesh and the others on billboard

[odd latch]

@candid pulsar look at the different particle/vfx tutorials on this channel
ignore the recent tutorials with shader graph, that's for the next unity update for vrchat
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtb1s859RTxx-RIgFs5ZVQA/videos

[clear yew]

shadergraph needs HDRP or LWRP, it won't work with vrchat now or in the foreseeable future

[warm shard]

Anyone know if it's possible to make another avatar model copy your movements? For example, an avatar with a clone of itself that moves at the same time

I sorta doubt you can but it would be cool

[clear yew]

"Puppetry" using rigid bodies and joints is possible.

[warm shard]

Guess it wouldn't end up Quest compatible then

[warm shard]

What's the best way to make an animation of an object spinning? Right now I'm just hitting record and changing the rotation of the object every few keyframes

[dim sierra]

anyone know why my Animator .Root T.y property is snapping back to place when I try to change its value? I am trying to create a custom sitting and prone animation for an avatar, which means I need to key frame the root position so that it moves back up to its proper sitting height. I've keyframed my legs so that they stick out like a teddy bear would, but I still have to fix the root height and keyframe the arms.

[bitter gyro]

If Final IK scripts work on Quest, you could do it that way. The clone I mean. @warm shard

I feel like Final IK should work on Quest. xD They still obviously use IK.

Ah. Unless IK Follower isn't allowed on Quest.

Then you can rule out Final IK puppets right off the bat.

[warm shard]

ik follower works for quest

Also I have the spinning animation working. Only issue is that unless if you make it go into the idle gesture, it takes a moment for the spinning gesture to end and shape into the desired gesture

[naive cipher]

So if I want to make a animation to grow a prop, would I use an animation, or one of these? Because it seems the animation will apply only to the avatar itself, not whatever prop it is holding.

I learned that the hard way when my avatar started randomly shrinking whenever I made a fist

Ok that was a bit wordy, let me rephrase that

How do I make an animation apply to a prop rather then an avatar?

[candid pulsar]

Ok

[naive cipher]

aaand I just got the avatar stuck in the weird animation pose

great

[warm shard]

Not fully sure what the issue is but I'd assume just give the avatar an animation controller and in the controller, make an animation that only affects the object and whatever else you want. If the animation is messing with values for parts of the avatar you don't want it to then just delete those parts out of the animation so it doesn't mess with what you don't want it to

I might just be rambling BS here but I don't know

[candid pulsar]

Always animate using a duplicate

[bitter gyro]

@naive cipher You would add an Animator component to the object you would want to animate.

If you want to be able to toggle that animation, you'd have to add a behavior keyframe to the gesture you used to trigger the Animator component off and on.

Otherwise, its animation will just play as soon as the object with that component is active. Unless that's what you want.

You cannot use the Animator on Root.

It is replaced on upload.

[fierce bane]

@warm shard the minimum and maximum size for particles is based on screen size, set minimum to 0 and maximum to 10
then the particle can be up to 10 times the screen size and a minimum of 0 size it

it'll do what you wanted that way

do that in almost any case. the only exception is if you want the minimum size to be a certain amount of the screen, or if you only want it to size to a maximum percent of the screen.
Like a lens flare on a flash light for example, the closer you get the smaller it would be to a point. It wouldn't stay the same relative size as you got closer like a magical orb for example