animation

[solemn pawn]

I'm helping out a friend who Owns the Pokemon League avatar world

[clear yew]

@wicked python readable quality should be available for that video

[wicked python]

ok thx @clear yew

ill watch it when I can

[blissful arrow]

so setting these up?

which one is jump?

[muted prairie]

FALL

[quasi hinge]

None?

[blissful arrow]

ok

So i should get a falling animation?

[main light]

anybody know how i can replicate the shooting of a model instead of a texture shown in this video at 3:04? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm77FJilv8g&t=192s

[blissful arrow]

I hope the animations will work

it didnt work

anyone got any advice?

[wicked python]

@clear yew so wich video should I watch

[clear yew]

both, discord help first

[wicked python]

ok

[clear yew]

Ok so, I want to animate these eyes to follow where I am looking, though they are locked at 2 different axis (Light bar for up and down and headlamps for left and right) Is this possible to do?

[blissful arrow]

IS That

brum

[clear yew]

Yes sir

This bleeder took me a month to model

[blissful arrow]

Nostalgia grinade

[clear yew]

ikr xD

Im just trying to figure out how to make his eyes track where I look instead of the guess work it usually does

[blissful arrow]

hmm

[clear yew]

Actually let me resay my question

[blissful arrow]

maybe

have the hedlights rotate on hinges

[clear yew]

Hinges?

[blissful arrow]

idk

[clear yew]

hmm..

Is it possible to maybe make the eyes work as two heads?

[blissful arrow]

like two joints connected

maybe i'm new to this

[clear yew]

So am i this is the first time making my own rigged model xD

Wait..Is it possible to have the eyes work similar to avatar heads? as ofc they track where the player looks, so would it be possible to adapt that to the eyes?

[blissful arrow]

mayhaps

[fallen rampart]

I think you can, actually, yes.

What you could do is, after creating the eyefollow bones in blender, create another set that follow their rotation or are bound to them.

they would need to be "detached" but with the EyeLeft/Eyeright as the parents and add a rotation constraint so they only turn on z and x

would be pretty cool actually

[blissful arrow]

my aniamtions put me in the floor

[fallen rampart]

the origin of your animations may not be zero

[clear yew]

ok, ill try that now, thank you @fallen rampart

[blissful arrow]

how would i make that it?

[clear yew]

and thank you @blissful arrow for the suggestions

[blissful arrow]

👍

[fallen rampart]

if you moved your avatar mesh when you created the animations that could cause that. Make sure your animation, when you "play" it on your character duplicate that it doesn't change where you are in physical space. It should only animate the humanoid rig or blendshapes

[blissful arrow]

?

[fallen rampart]

for a good example of how that should look, take a look at how the "idle" animation looks

you can see that in unity when you click on an animation file as a preview in the bottom right

[fallen rampart]

if you wan, you can drag the prefab for your character model into that window, on the right

[blissful arrow]

no animation..

[fallen rampart]

you can take the animation out of your fbx by pressing ctrl+d on it to make a copy not bound to the prefab

also try not to have an animation controller that isn't vrchat's baked into the model, that can cause all kinda wonky

[blissful arrow]

this is suppost to be idle

[fallen rampart]

so does it do the animation?

[blissful arrow]

nope

[fallen rampart]

so then the animation isn't animating the model probably because the movement isn't calling a humanoid controller

[blissful arrow]

?

[fallen rampart]

your animation might not be set up in a way to work correctly with unity's humanoid rig

[blissful arrow]

should i download the animation as a fbx or collade

[fallen rampart]

are you getting it off mixamo?

[blissful arrow]

yes

[fallen rampart]

so, those DO work

[blissful arrow]

😕 idk

[fallen rampart]

but what you should do is just download the animation using Ybot or xbot

and then copy it OUT of the fbx and discard the fbx

[blissful arrow]

i keep the fbx

[fallen rampart]

so that you just have an .anim file in your assets directory

[blissful arrow]

how do i do this?

I got it working!

[clear yew]

Might need a small walkthrough for the whole eyefollow bone thing, ive been looking at some guides but they do not show much help for this..many apologies..^^'

[fallen rampart]

no worries, I wish I could be a bit more clear, it's pretty advanced

so bones follow parent bones, basically

[blissful arrow]

had to change them to Humanoid

[fallen rampart]

there ya go

so yeah, the bones follow parent bones - you're trying to get a two headed thing right?

[clear yew]

Kind of

Hold on..

[fallen rampart]

so think of it like your armbones. If you move your vr controller wrist, the whole hand follows, right?

[blissful arrow]

although problem their all animated called Mixamo

[clear yew]

Mhm?

[fallen rampart]

any child of the vertical eyebones will rotate too, even if that animation is being done by vrchat's internal animator

[clear yew]

Oh right

[fallen rampart]

so you need to add a bone off of EyeLeft

and create a vertexgroup to match for the thing that you want to move with the eyes

[clear yew]

Similar to this?

Thats the current setup anyway

[fallen rampart]

sorta, but probably coming off the tail. MMD models often has a single parent bone so you can rotate both eyes at the same time for example

[clear yew]

Ah right

[fallen rampart]

the concept is the same basically, you're just rotating a child of the eyebones

(in this case EyeLeft EyeRight)

[clear yew]

So for example, if I had one bone where the centre bone is (where the two bones branch off of) and vertex grouped the eyes, it would do something like that?

[fallen rampart]

you could rotate them both with one bone on an animation, yes

[clear yew]

Right..

[fallen rampart]

but vrchat will do eyefollow automatically as long as the naming is correct (and the armature tree order)

so you can take advantage of that to move other things at the same time, it's pretty cool

an example would be something like a turret that "locks on" to whoever you're looking at, lol

[clear yew]

So all I gotta do really is create two bones, one set to the up and down axis (lightbar) and the other left and right (headlamps), that control both sides?

[fallen rampart]

mmhumm

it'll click once you fiddle with it

if you get regular eyelook working the rest will make sense once you see how they rotate together

[clear yew]

Rightio

Many thanks indeed, ill try and see what comes

[blissful arrow]

I need one last emote but what?

[clear yew]

Its not going overly well, though It is due to my lack of experience with bones, ill try it another day

[wicked python]

@blissful arrow bubbletop?

[blissful arrow]

?

anyone wanna see the animations i picked if they work?

If i leave an animation with no extra, does it just default?

[blissful arrow]

ok i need some help

nvm

[wicked python]

@clear yew

so Ive watched the 1st video and Im kinda confused

and I think thats not what I want

I want to have an emote that when played change what, for example, the f6 would do

[clear yew]

That's exactly what it shows you how to do

[wicked python]

Im gonna watch the 2nd video

[clear yew]

Your F buttons are gestures

[wicked python]

aaaah

but like

what hes doing there isnt different?

Im very confused sry

there when u were fingerpoiting

it would chagnge between the 3 objects?

[clear yew]

Fingerpoint would start the animation selected by the emote

[wicked python]

ah

so

instead of the objects

I need to put the emotes I want the gestures to make?

[clear yew]

You put your game objects under the parent object that gets turned on by the emote

And animate those objects with your gesture

[wicked python]

hmm

he hurt himself in confusion!

but Ill just blindly follow the tutorial

I guess thats how you say the expression

[clear yew]

The emote override turns on the animator which enables an object. In the example, the object is one of the shapes. Cube, per example, is turned on by the animator(which is turned on by the emote)

Now that Cube is on, anything that is a child of Cube can be animated by your gestures(your F keys)

[wicked python]

ok i guess

Ill be right back

back

ill do that now

but @clear yew

Im still confused

can u guide me by screenshare?

[shut dragon]

Can I use Fist to change the value of something in a material, like I can do with the Blend shapes? (Being able to manipulate how high the value is using Fist)

(please ping me)

[fresh estuary]

I have an animation + sound effect that triggers when SHIFT+F2 (fist) is pressed. It works great, but when I sit/stand the sound effect from the animation plays even after exiting the gesture (SHIFT+F1). What could be causing this; is it possibly a bug?

[floral imp]

its a bug

after you sit down the fist can no longer reach 0, which anything greater than 0 will toggle on a game object

[frigid mauve]

can someone teach me how to put animations on gestures?\

[stuck spade]

Could someone help me with World Particles? I want them to be bind to a object, when i try using fixed joints it spawns randomly and is not bind. Already disabled gravity and drag, dm if possible

[dark thicket]

hum . . . is there a problem when you make a custom animation?
I made an animation, put it into the animatoroverride and such and VRChat overrides all other animations with just the custom one I made

it doesn't loop . . . and restarts when I restart the animation . . .
but it destroys all my other emotes when I activate the emote

[dark thicket]

its . . . 2 different animations . . . one brings the object in, another is the object with a particle system probably

[shut dragon]

Usually you can do it using an activator holding everything that will activate and just animate that to appear and make one that will always be on

So for instance you make point, you disable normal animations and activate different ones

But it's tricky if you're trying shape keys

If so, you'll have to try the sorcery with animators

Or just find some way to need both shape keys activators to show something specific

@dark thicket what do you mean? You make a copy of the overrideempty and just use that to throw in the animations you want. Also you gotta make sure to tick the looping button by clicking in the animation

You may be having the issue of having a second of frames into a hand gesture, which would fuck everything up

[dark thicket]

I have . . . I made the animation by it's own and moved it to my model . . . but anytime I do something like that it just overrides all my other animations when I activate it

[shut dragon]

Make sure all your hand gestures are just 2 frames activators

Send screenshots of it

[dark thicket]

I can't atm. I'm at work >~<

It's not 2 frames . . . it's an actual animation and such. Which I guess tends to break VRChat. But it doesn't loop, it plays the animation just fine in VRChat and lasts 10 secs. I'm trying to do something special for a friend.
Would the better thing to do is have the animation be 2 frames, like it should be, that then activates the object with the long animation attached to the object? . . . cause that might be my problem

poke @shut dragon

[shut dragon]

Yes @dark thicket

Never use more than two frames for hand gestures

Just activate an separate object

[dark thicket]

woot, the more ya know

[chilly kernel]

is it possible to make chair for example and add vrc chair to it make it as a world object and ability to sit on it yourself?

basically is it possible to add vrc chair to your avatar where you can sit yourself

[clear flicker]

If the chair wasnt attached to the player, maybe?

Problem is if its attached to the player, once sitting you would just fly into the void.

[chilly kernel]

the chair is on world fixed joint

so it doesnt move with my avatar

thats why i want to my avatar be able to sit in it too

[shut dragon]

I don't think you really can be able to sit on your own chairs, no

that would be too breakable for them to turn on

i guess

[chilly kernel]

;_;

sigh

[chilly kernel]

is there then way to make object that collides with you and you can go ontop of it

[fierce bane]

@chilly kernel no, you cannot. If you could spawn an object that collides, it would allow people to trap people in boxes at spawn (or elsewhere)
Too easily abused to be allowed sadly.
And no you cannot sit in your own avatar chairs. You can however make an animation that looks like you're sitting in a chair.

[chilly kernel]

@fierce bane no i mean collider that you can go ontop yourself

Since flying colliders still work

But is it possible to make for example cube that you can stand on yourself

[fierce bane]

it would have to stay attached to you directly, or else it would spaz out, shake all over and eventually fly off in a direction

any placed object interacts badly with the method to place the object in the world, confusing the physics system

[chilly kernel]

How would you do it tho what collider you use for tgat

[fierce bane]

flight collision works because it's directly attached to you and not reliant on the physics based fixed joints

so you're essentially stepping on yourself to fly

A box collider is what's commonly used for flight...but it's very specific and tends to vary a bit depending on the setup

so no, you could not drop a ramp for example, and walk up the ramp

[chilly kernel]

I wish they added ability to even sit in your own chair

[fierce bane]

if you were sitting in your own chair you'd likely yeet yourself when you sat down

[chilly kernel]

Unless as i said you make it fixed to the world

[fierce bane]

just make an animation that looks like you're sitting...same result

no it'd still cause the same issue...fixed joints tend to jitter when you move...so when you jumped into the chair you'd cause it to move while attached to you and likely yeet yourself.
You also have to take into account that sitting and standing animations are separate...so when you sit the sitting animations would take over instead

[chilly kernel]

My fixed joint is on emote slot

[fierce bane]

I can't think of any situation where being able to sit in your own chair would even be useful...
You can just make an animation that LOOKS like you're sitting in your own chair anyway

[chilly kernel]

Well i was trying to make thingy that flies my avatar upwards in fancy looking way

[fierce bane]

so do it...

[chilly kernel]

But theres nothing that would work unless someone else makes it and adds chair to it

Its impossible

[fierce bane]

animation

[chilly kernel]

No by that i mean my whole avatar

[fierce bane]

yes...animation

[chilly kernel]

With the nametag and everything

[fierce bane]

animate yourself sitting down, launch yourself with flight-mechanics

not impossible at all

[chilly kernel]

Hmm

I am too stupid for that kinda stuff is it possible to launch yourself high up in the air

[fierce bane]

yes...just make a collider move up into you from below
It won't collide with the ground but it'll collide with your capsule

you won't really have much control of the speed though...you'd need to animate something for that, and it wouldn't actually move your avatar

[chilly kernel]

Hmm actually i think i figured thing that would launch you as long as you hold the trigger

Spring joint

It tries to level itself to resting but your avatar keepd going up

[fierce bane]

all you have to do is move a collider into the bottom of your capsule...as long as it is moved up into you it will keep making you fly upwards

you don't need a spring joint...which doesn't hold it in place, and would have lag because of the physics processing required...

it'd work worse than just a box collider

[chilly kernel]

XD it would probs crash everyone the further you fly since the spring becomrs more unstable the longer it tries to rest

[fierce bane]

it wouldn't crash anyone...it'd just be unreliable for trying to fly

extra effort to set something up that wouldn't work

[chilly kernel]

Ill try your idea :D thankd

[wicked python]

@fierce bane u there?

[fierce bane]

@wicked python Just...ask...the question...I said that last time too

[stark trail]

im getting kind of desperate, so im going to ask my question one more time before i give up and just go the standard route:

as you can probably tell, i['ve attempted to set up empty objects in blender, or at least what i hope is blender's version of empty objects

i figured there wouldnt be too many conflicts with this since i can always tell the VRC_avi_desc where the body mesh is, but alas it doesnt appear visible or even had any bounds / coords in-unity, AKA it didnt exist

seems fine in blender

im doing this for the sake of being able to safely animate it (mainly just changing its shaders, prob a compact cute loading anim, or turning it invisible if i want) without breaking the prefab instance

what would be the correct way of going about this, so that way the mesh actually appears?

unity sccreen, center used to be NaN before i changed it, kind of afraid of messing with its extent

[wicked python]

@fierce bane I was about to ask but I had to go

so

lindesu helped me a lot here

now I would like to know:
how is the Fingerpoint activating this when the correct emote is used;

can it be the preset animation or do I rly need to use another fingerpoint?;

how do I get music and an animation working on these things;

is it possible to change to naruto when i click for example on F7?

if you need any extra information tell me gtg again

[wicked python]

back

righton time as i see

[fierce bane]

@stark trail set the extents to 3,3,3 or something and then adjust it so the avatar is inside the bounds but not too far from the edge
It can't be seen because you're INSIDE the bounds and it's likely being considered for culling

@wicked python the prefabs they gave you are examples...I've explained it as best I can already how to set it up...

[wicked python]

its setted up

I guess

[fierce bane]

if capsule is enabled and cube/sphere are disabled, then only cube_mesh is visible

[wicked python]

u talkin about what

cube mesh?

with the capsule??

[fierce bane]

er...I derped on that...

[wicked python]

himeki I already tested this in game

[fierce bane]

capsule_mesh

[wicked python]

aaah ok

its all tested

my questions are the above

[fierce bane]

so anything a child of capsule enables when capsule does

[wicked python]

how is the Fingerpoint activating this when the correct emote is used

like

If I use enable capsule then how will the fingerpoint activate it

u understand me?

[fierce bane]

no

[wicked python]

hmm

[fierce bane]

I don't know how that system works, I cannot help you

[wicked python]

this would be easier to explain by voice

ahh ok

I can try to make a clip

[fierce bane]

won't help, don't know the system in use, can't help

[wicked python]

k

so

dont know the awnser to all questions or only to that one?

[fierce bane]

I can't tell you which thing activates what
I can explain the basics of how enabling multiple systems works, but I can't answer specifics with that system

[stark trail]

trying that didnt wokr

[wicked python]

k thx for your time

[fierce bane]

example, if Capsule is enabled (and the others are disabled) all objects that are children of Capsule will also enable
So for example if you placed an animator there that was disabled by default and you enable with Fingerpoint, when you have the Capsule set enabled, and you use fingerpoint, it will enable that and play your animation as if it was an emote (but let you move)

[wicked python]

ill have to talk to the person that helped me then

[stark trail]

and as far as i can tell, the mesh straight up isnt making it into unity

[wicked python]

Himeki I know about that~

[fierce bane]

@stark trail that...looks like you don't have things set up properly from blender

[wicked python]

but my question is more like

[stark trail]

should i try importing this avatar into another program to be 100% sure?

this is from an earlier revision where the shapes were working

[wicked python]

how do I accossiate the F4 to that emote

[fierce bane]

@stark trail can you see it in blender?

[stark trail]

this is how i have things nested

mhm

[wicked python]

and can I use the default animation on F4 or do I rly need another?

like the one lindesu gave me

[fierce bane]

@wicked python I've tried to explain the basic idea so many ways now....
if you enable an object, all objects beneath it become accessible
so if you use a gesture to enable something in every single set, only the one in the active set will actually enable

how about an example based on your current screenshot...

[stark trail]

so its not a 100% loss

ignore the borked UV's, im gonna end up re-doing most of this work anyway, point is that it shows up in 3dview

[wicked python]

my mind now is like

[stark trail]

im just wondering why it doesnt make it into unity

[narrow current]

Try checking the unity logs while importing the model. That’s helped me a few times figure out why a model doesn’t show up in unity.

[fierce bane]

@wicked python If you want your F4 gesture to enable the cube, sphere, or capsule depending on which emote toggle you activate
You set the F4 gesture's animation to enable cube_mesh, sphere_mesh, and capsule_mesh

If Capsule is the active set, even though the F4 is set to turn on cube, sphere, and capsule meshes, only capsule mesh will actually turn on

[wicked python]

ah

hold on

[stark trail]

fun

sOlarApple and the quest to fix Invalid Verticies

[wicked python]

but my F4 is fingerpoint (not the default one, the one lindesu told me to use)

i downloaded a preset

[wicked python]

the one she created while making the tutorial

[stark trail]

so this is currently the only good project file i have left, the one with preserved shape keys.

i will have to go thru and re-do the atlas and material orders, but other than that this is what i have to work with

oddly enough ive touched and fiddled around witht he meshe's parenting before this and it still seemed to work fine even after auto-weights

[fierce bane]

I can't help you @wicked python I don't know the system you're using, and I've tried to explain the basics every way I can think of...

[narrow current]

Don’t quote me but I think you can ignore warnings, it’s the errors that’ll stop it from showing up. I believe the abnormal mesh bounds is the issue. Check to make sure all the shapekeys are well behaved and not sending verts out to infty.

[stark trail]

and thhe verts are clearly visible

[wicked python]

ok thx for the help

[stark trail]

waitwaitwaitwait i think im getting somewhere

[fierce bane]

@stark trail this definitely doesn't belong in #animation though probably just #avatars-2-general
Can you hop over there? Without seeing the actual model I can only guess as the issue though.

[stark trail]

mission accomplished bois... movin chats

[wicked python]

nice

[clear yew]

@wicked python just look inside the fingerpoint animation and see what it does. i set it up to animate each shape_mesh object on. all 3 of them. when the parent is enabled(Cube for example), the child(cube_mesh) can be enabled. when the parent is disabled, the child cannot be enabled. you have to try to understand parent/child relationships with objects in unity.

https://youtu.be/o0V4NHNBzTI?t=873

i explain it here as well as what the fingerpoint gesture is doing

[wicked python]

ah ok

[clear yew]

er, wrong time stamp

1 sec

there we go

14:33 about

[wicked python]

?

[winter sundial]

Does the "Animation" component even work?

Even with "Play automatically" I can't get it to move a cube

[lavish scaffold]

Not in vrchat anymore. Use Animators instead. https://docs.unity3d.com/uploads/Main/AnimationFAQAnimationVsAnimatorComponent.png

[winter sundial]

I'm not sure it can do what I want it to. I've only seen this done with the animation component.
What I'm trying to do is move an object with an animation, but multiple times, so the movement is addictive.

[muted prairie]

You could use add force or add velocity ?

[winter sundial]

I'd like a constant movement, but I guess I will try with that

[lavish scaffold]

Doesnt "apply root motion" does that?

[clear yew]

yes

[winter sundial]

Maybe a blockade which stops it from moving further, that I remove with various triggers.
So you gave me a solution, thanks!
"Apply root motion" makes it not move at all. It seems to be used with avatars or rigged things, not a default unity cube

[clear yew]

you can add an avatar reference into the Avatar field

then animate like root T or whatever it was

i forget

but yeah you can move any object using root motion

[winter sundial]

I have no avatars, neither do I know much about rigging or animations. I will try the addforce hack. It's better than the other hack I considered of having 50 objects and 50stencil adders for each movement step lol

[clear yew]

@winter sundial

[winter sundial]

I did addVelocy1000 and setVelocy 1000 on timer (5 seconds). And it's not movnig at all

Thank you!

That was fast. Yours work perfectly fine

[clear yew]

👌 you're welcome

[warm gazelle]

can anybody help me with animation, unity has them set as Read only and they keep Defaulting. so the music works but there is no movement ingame. video shows what unity is doing

[valid edge]

how do I make an avatar where a birb walks on a ball and the ball rolls when you move, thank you 😃

[wicked python]

🅱 ir 🅱

[severe sierra]

Are there currently any known issues with gesture overrides not posing fingers that are set correctly in the gesture animation on the index controllers?

Everything else attached to the gesture works fine but the index overrides any finger posing set

[rustic mesa]

how can i get my left arm to move like my right arm when i pick up something?

[muted prairie]

You copy the weight paint of the right arm on the left arm

[rustic mesa]

can you listen to the audio when you're playing the animation clip?

[clear yew]

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[daring quest]

Does anyone know why players legs stop working after an animation?

[cold pulsar]

@severe sierra the index overrides any finger muscle settings by design, so don't expect to hold tools or guns correctly unless you swap to the non gesture mode and fake holding it yourself.

[severe sierra]

Is it ever going to be fixed? Because this seems like a downgrade from the gesture system because of a finger tracking gimmick

[cold pulsar]

I'm not sure, I haven't seen anyone complain about it or a canny made for it. Honestly seems like a pretty big disadvantage for index users. When they first tested the index controllers they had it the way you wanted it to be but reverted it because it apparently felt disjointed for your hands in real life to be doing one thing irl and another thing in game.

[severe sierra]

But, that's how it is with oculus and vive

Also you can toggle gestures on/off with the index

Seems like a poor reason/excuse

Also if you feel disjointed because of an avatar posing your fingers in a gesture then don't use that avatar

It's been that way for years

[cold pulsar]

Not saying it's my excuse I'm just relaying what I remember the devs saying

[severe sierra]

Yeah I know

And it's what Ive been hearing from other people too

[cold pulsar]

It's just another thing the devs have decided for us instead of giving us the choice anyways

[severe sierra]

😦

[cold pulsar]

You could always 'optimize' your model for vrchat and give him multiple hands to enable disable different hand poses

[severe sierra]

👀

[cold pulsar]

Have a couple hand meshes and enable the hand holding the gun with the gun and disable the normal hand that's got index influence on it. Should be easier if your using a mech avatar was well

[fallen flax]

They can still be one mesh just different materials that are hidden

[severe sierra]

More materials for more drawcalls yeah 🙌

[fallen flax]

As if different meshes aren't

🤔

[cold pulsar]

I've just started calling it 'optimizing for vrchat' gotta do weird shit to do simple stuff

[severe sierra]

Been having to do workarounds for a lot of stuff

That could be easily solved internally

[cold pulsar]

@fallen flax more meshes is bad, more materials is bad. It's just a mess and more work either way for something that shouldn't be a problem in the first place

I've gone to very poor because to use Final IK you need rigid bodies now so I've got around 10 or so where before I wouldn't need any

[severe sierra]

☝

[cold pulsar]

Just makes me feel gross doing some dumb workaround that will be probably broken for some other reason down the line

[fallen flax]

Out of curiosity, what is final ik used for? I've seen people be upset since it's broken, but I've never fiddled with it

[cold pulsar]

2 main things I used it for were:
Fully functional spider where the legs would bend to be in position with the ground and conform to ramps and stairs
Moving items around the armature. You can move the gun from your hip to your hand without needing a gun in your hand disabled. Saves on load time as there's just less stuff to load. Doing this method makes it so world particles also work without a rigid body

You can use it for non humanoid parts of armature as well, someone used it for pistons connected the shin to thigh and they would bend correctly depending on how closed the legs is without some sketch weight painting

There are a bunch of other applications you can use but a good amount of them are either broken now or require weird unoptimized workarounds like using rigid bodies due to the updates

[fallen flax]

Huh, seems like it would have been convenient for an armored avatar I'm trying to make

Unfortunate that it's broken then

[cold pulsar]

It's also a paid asset so it feels worse paying for something just for it to break. Also makes me throw out the entire ranking system if I want to do anything intricate

[severe sierra]

The best part was spending ~3 weeks on an avatar only for it to break because of final ik, because nobody was warned, or nothing was stated that it was going to be broken in an update 😃

[cold pulsar]

Every update now is a flurry to see what functionality they removed from my avatars lmao

[severe sierra]

back to using multiple game objects to use a weapon

[cold pulsar]

Hard to optimize when I literally cant

I'm all for optimizing your stuff but I always put fucntionality over optimization so if they remove the optimized ways to do something that won't stop me from doing it the unoptimized way

[severe sierra]

👌

[white herald]

trying to sync dice rolling on an avatar. have a rolling animation. start it by enabling the animator on gesture press, animator disables on gesture release, pausing on a "random" dice roll depending on the duration held, the issue is that it's out of sync between players. Other than slowing it down enough so the delay is smaller than a single dice roll, I'm assuming there aren't solutions? any ideas?

[severe sierra]

There aren't easy solutions because the syncing between players in VRC is pretty weird and broken

[clear yew]

imo the way the index controls work are fine. full posing with the hand should be the default, and material or mesh changes to keep a unique, static hand pose should be the secondary case

[severe sierra]

agreed

[clear yew]

@white herald yeah i think slowing it down is the only way to make it more consistent without completely changing the behavior into something thats not that fun

only thing i can think of, which would be less fun, would be to do a local roll and then represent that roll deterministically to everyone

it gives you the ability to cheat though and it's cumbersome to control that

you would probably need a button panel with a lot of particle triggers to even make it reasonable

and that would ruin the dice roll acting for the most part

[white herald]

thanks, yeah i think one person rolling and simply announcing the results is the best option

[tame jolt]

I've actually had this problem before, and don't remember how I fixed it. I'm trying to rotate an object along an axis, and Unity has decided to make the Y and Z axes the same. is this something where Unity id being dumb or is there an import setting messed up?

[reef nexus]

Anybody know how to make particle effects land on other avatars kind of like that one puking pokemon?

[fierce bane]

I think that was done with a shader that replicates projection (since we're not allowed to use projectors for some reason)
Basically displays only on overlap with an object within the area

[violet moss]

I know it's broken right now but I just want to double check - is there absolutely no way to trigger a shape key to turn on while walking?

[torn pawn]

use custom walk and have that enable the shapekey?

[torn pawn]

vrchat smh

[violet moss]

yeah they play locally but not for anyone else, so many people don't realize they're broken

i've been told I glide everywhere since the network IK update, took me a few weeks to realize no one was seeing the skateboard anywhere

but generic avatars have it the worst, they just stand still and slide everywhere now

[fierce bane]

yep, lack of care seems common for anything avatar related...frustrating and ruins motivation for things

[arctic vector]

I have two humanoid models in my avatar which have individual animation clips. How would i create an emote animation override that would animate both models? I can play one animation clip on each model but I can't figure out how to run separate animation clips on each individual model.

things i have tried:

• having the second model as a child of the avatar (I can't figure out how to apply the parent animation and the child animation separately)
• combining both models into one object and then importing the animation from blender (the animation doesn't import correctly)

[violet moss]

Create an empty as the top level game object (in unity or blender, preferably blender so it doesn't break your prefab) and the animator will live there. That way it will be able to acesss both both avatars at the same time - though you will need to retarget all of your animations to expect the extra root gameobject and animate each of the two avatars separately

Keep in mind though I don't think VRIK can apply to more than one humanoid defintion

otherwise they'd both reach for your controller positoin

[earnest lagoon]

So it’s not just me. Generic rigs really are broken right now huh?
RIP all my avatars TuT

@violet moss I’ve been told my idle animations still work. It’s just the walking running and jumping ones that are out

Uuuuuugh. Hopefully they’ll just fix it at some point then... hopefully

[arctic vector]

@violet moss i've setup my objects like you said, but i still have two separate animations for each armature, and when I import it to unity it doesn't animate the second armature.

[violet moss]

Oh I've never messed with blender animations. I always make my animations in Unity

[blissful arrow]

https://youtu.be/lj-UwOaNcTg

[mint plank]

Is there a way to make Emotes play out or are they just Capped at 60 seconds?

[blissful arrow]

I think theres a way to loop them

🤔

[mint plank]

Well thats unfortunate. Days of work down the drain I guess

[chilly kernel]

uh i got problem with rigid bodies

i have particle ball spawning on my right hand but since my right wrist has fixed join holding inventory system i had to make gameobject to hold another fixed joint with the particle ball. but for some reason the particle ball spawns random locations for all people

and for me little bit away from my hand and when i swing my hand around with it active it slowly flies away from my hand

[analog cedar]

I've been having this same problem for days, something about fixed joints seems like it's on a cycle and it always has a semi-random orientation when called in.

[chilly kernel]

well i have that problem only when i have 2 fixed joints in same hand

because the other one works perfectly

oh wait i think i figured it out...

i forgot fixed joints need to have empty controller atleast

thats why the other one was working perfectly

[eager zodiac]

I'm hoping to make animations for my avatar, any videos you guys would recommend to help me get started?

[earnest lagoon]

I’d recommend learning to animate in blender, it much easier than unity

[fierce bane]

That depends on what exactly you need to animate though. Humanoid motions, absolutely...especially if you set up some IK followers to use.

[earnest lagoon]

Works good for generic too. Thats how I did all of mine
Though if it’s particles, use Unity ofc

[eager zodiac]

Thanks

[dark cypress]

Hello, I know that to make music play, I have to spawn an empty which itself plays the music. Am I able to do that with an emote rather than a gesture while still be able to move?

[chilly kernel]

darn i still have problems with rigid bodies. it keeps spawning at wrong place...

[fallen flax]

What are you trying to spawn

[chilly kernel]

@fallen flax particle orb

but the problem is that wrist already has fixed joint on it controlling other animation world partciles

so the second fixed joint is in gameobject

[fallen flax]

Have you tried using vrc_ikfollower

[chilly kernel]

uh whats that

wait a minute im actually idiot i think i could just add the orb animation to existing rigid body following that fixed joint

just make animation to activate it. i dont need second fixed joint to control new stuff

tho whats vrc_ikfollower

i though vrc deletes all scripts on avatar

[fallen flax]

It's a script for world particles

[clear yew]

ik follower sucks dont bother

[fallen flax]

Issues with what if I may ask?

I don't really mess with particles but I want to know just for in the future

[clear yew]

It's also a frame behind making it only marginally better than a joint at low fps and worse than a joint when moving

If only that was supported though

How simple of a script would it be to unparent an object from your avatar in a safe way?

sigh who is going to save this game and fix all these problems

Is there a canny for those issues?

[spare robin]

quick question do i put the animator controller in the avatars that i use for gesture overide or the animation overide controler

i just wanna know because i forgot

@muted prairie do you know what i need to do ?

help please ?

@muted prairie can you help me ?

[muted prairie]

you can put the animator in both, and please keep the pings for the urgent stuff

[spare robin]

ok

i need to slow my pulse idk what is making it be like if adrenaline is coursing though my vanes

[steel inlet]

Quick question, do my props need animators? Or just the main model

example being this sword I have on one of my models

[muted prairie]

Is your model animated too ?

[steel inlet]

I think? I made it so doing rock n roll pulls the sword out

[muted prairie]

so the sword itself doesn't have its own animationss

[steel inlet]

correct, the sword itself has no animations

[muted prairie]

then it doesn't need one 😃

[steel inlet]

Thanks. also nice profile pic

[earnest lagoon]

Anyone know how recent was the unity and sdk update was? I wonder if generic avatars will work again.

[fierce bane]

@earnest lagoon Generic avatars not working isn't related to unity or the sdk at all. It's caused by the lack of data transferred with the networked IK specifically.

They work locally with walk animations etc, but the info required isn't transferred, so others don't see it move

[earnest lagoon]

Yeah I figured. I was just wondering if they updated anything else while they were at it.

[north tree]

Hey

does anyone have any experience with the "dynamic bone" script?

[clear yew]

does anyone know what this error means? it happened right after i finished an animation im pretty sure and its preventing me from being able to upload an avatar and press the play button at the top of unity

i deleted the animation from my avatar in attempts to fix it but it didnt work

[clear yew]

@clear yew A Null reference exception means that whatever component is on your object is currently attempting to find something that isn't there. This can mean its missing a script, missing an audio file (perhaps you deleted it?) Or some other missing item. This can also include missing animations inside animator components. Be sure to check through all of the components on your avatar and ensure everything is assigned properly in the Inspector.

[limber socket]

Hi all, have a real quick question! So when I'm animating an Avatar's face, do I have to transform the face bones or use the Animator?

[torn pawn]

what do you want to do?

[clear yew]

hello, i have a question, this animation i made; it has a simple and short (like 30 seconds or so) animation with a song playing but whenever i use it as an emote it gets cut off and when i use it as a gesture nothing happens, what in the flip should i do? i just wanna play the song till the end if possible

Gesture should work so you could try to fix that

Emote toggle would also work

Emote toggle?

It's where you use an emote that is usually very, very short(.5 seconds) and the emote enables or disables a game object and leaves it that way

i see, imma google that up, thanks lindesu

You'll probably run into xiexe's inventory via google

Should work fine

[dark cypress]

Is there a limit to animation time in an emote? Keeps cutting off around 50 seconds

[clear yew]

yeah there is a limit but a lot of things you would want to do with an emote have workarounds

[dark cypress]

I simply want it to keep going with music, how can I do that

[clear yew]

You could animate a duplicate avatar rather than your main avatar and leave it on with the emote, and have it disable itself when it's over

[dark cypress]

do I hide my mesh when I do that?

[clear yew]

You can yes

[dark cypress]

alright, thanks

[steel inlet]

limit but a lot of things you would want to do with an emote have workarounds the story of vrchat.

[dark cypress]

I can't figure out how to make the dupe do the animation

I mean he does it in unity perfectly but can't make it work in vrchat

[fierce bane]

@dark cypress if you want a duplicate to do the animation, you need to have it attached to the primary model, and it needs an animator attached to it. When you enable the duplicate it will also enable the animator and run

[dark cypress]

I did that

It stops immediately

should the clip that enables the dupe be 2 frames with a time difference of how long the animation is?

[clear yew]

@dark cypress the emote override clip should last at least 30 frames and it needs to run behavior.enabled 1 on an animator which is the parent of your dupe

the animator should enable your duplicate, the duplicate should have an animator on it which is on by default

which does the motions and effects etc

[dark cypress]

yeah that's what i'm doing, I think my problem is with the animator clip that does enable it

I made it 2 frames with less than a sec in time

[clear yew]

yeah no clip in this should be that short

the shortest clip should be the emote override

and that should be a minimum of 30 frames

behavior.enabled with constant value of 1 for 30 frames

[dark cypress]

alright thanks, I'll try that

[fierce bane]

gestures are the ones that should be 2 keyframes (1 frame duration). You were probably thinking of emotes the same way.

[dark cypress]

Alright i've got 2 problems.
-The animation works on the dupe, but the mirror shows me as stuck in a single pose
-I have 2 other avatars that are supposed to be enabled and animated as well, but none of them are appearing

[fierce bane]

for the first problem, welcome to VRChat.
If you use holoport you can usually see them work properly...but mirrors are still pretty broken

if it doesn't work for someone else looking at you, or using holoport then the animation might not be set up correctly

[clear yew]

I’m trying to use a large image for expressions. I change the expression by offsetting the diffuse image. I made a animation that shows in unity and it works in unity. But when The avatar goes into VrChat the armature part of the animation works but the material part doesn’t? Anyone know anything that could help.

[fierce bane]

@clear yew material changes will not show in the mirror or cameras, either have someone watch for you, or use holoport if in VR

[clear yew]

Oof I thought it was only particles thanks I’ll tel y’all if it doesn’t work :)

[fierce bane]

yeah...material changes and particles both.

[clear yew]

Ooh yeah thanks it works lol

[paper haven]

My friend is trying to add a sound effect to his walk cycle, and it's only working locally, I wasn't sure how it needed to be fixed

[torn pawn]

vrchat broke it

[paper haven]

so the only solution is to wait

[south current]

Am not able just drop an object into my unity scene and animate it with my avatar anymore?

it seems the objects are not moving with the avatar when I start recording the movement

they are kind of just floating above even after being droped into the characters hierarchy

[south current]

Hmmm maybe I don't remember how to make a gesture replacement

[crude aspen]

Why does my animation on gesture work only once? After that it bugs out and plays no matter what gesture I do.

It's 2 seconds...

Just a sound effect and a blend shape

Oh. I have not seen or heard anyone mention of this particular thing anywhere

[cold pulsar]

If you want to do that hand thing you'll have to have a gesture that enables a new hand that has that animation on it. Welcome to vrchat

[crude aspen]

I have a blend shape to do some meme stuff so I guess I would have to have that if I wanted more control over the value of the blend shape. At least the sound effect plays correctly even with one frame animation. It's good enough for now.

Thanks for help

Tutorials should mention you cant have longer animations without having problems. They only say put the blend shape values at 0 and 1 frame. Can't wait until the udon system comes out.

[cold pulsar]

Not sure if it will show up on avatars but here's hoping we get some trickle down

[dark cypress]

My avatar won't blink, how do I fix that?
When I imported the model, it had an animation component on it that makes it blink but it doesn't look like VRChat supports it.

[lavish scaffold]

@dark cypress You need to use "Animators" not "animation components"

[dark cypress]

how do I put the blink into that? The blinking should work at all times

[clear yew]

@dark cypress create an animator Controller and put it onto an Animator component on the body object of your avatar (where the mesh is) afterwards open the Animator window by going to

Window -> Animator

You’ll be greeted with our handy transition tree. From here you need to create a new state by right clicking the screen and making an empty state. Inside of this state on the inspector place your animation into the animation slot then right click the “start” state and draw a transition from it to the state you’ve created. That’s literally all you need to do

[dark cypress]

Start state as in the Entry state?

[clear yew]

Aye

[dark cypress]

Alright thank you for your help

[clear yew]

I’m not at my pc so I’m just remembering from my head

No problem!

[dark cypress]

Play mode in unity doesn't display it though, is that fine?

[clear yew]

Your avatar should be blinking immediately

Also ensure an avatar is specified in the Animator component on the Body in your scene (this can be found inside of your actual .fbx)

[dark cypress]

Works in unity now, I'll test in vrchat. Thank you again

[clear yew]

Purrfect

[frosty moth]

ok im really confused on how i should activate the avatars special animations when my keybourd doesnt let me use the buttons needed

[clear yew]

shift + the F keys will do gestures

[frosty moth]

i know i need to press shift and f8 but my keyboard doesnt let me

[clear yew]

is there a button named "fn" on your keyboard?

F1-F8

[frosty moth]

it just changes my computers brightness and stuff

i think let me search

[clear yew]

It’s generally beside the left windows key or the right windows key

[frosty moth]

yea there is

whats it do?

[clear yew]

typically on laptops, and on some keyboards, there will be control macros on the F keys

and to switch between the macro and the actual F key

[frosty moth]

huh i didnt know that

[clear yew]

you either have to press or hold fn

[frosty moth]

thats kind of cool

[clear yew]

and then it will switch behavior

[frosty moth]

k thanks you helped me alot

[clear yew]

np

[frosty moth]

i was ready to pull my hair out cuz i couldnt figure out why it wasnt working

so you saved me from some extreme hair loss and for that i thank you very much

[cobalt meadow]

Ok, my blinking animation works in unity, but once I apply a animation controller on the avatar and upload, there is no blinking.

[north tree]

Anyone know how to add sounds/audio to animations

[fierce bane]

@north tree make audio source object on avatar, set the sound file in it, disable the object by default, enable in animation

[north tree]

Do you have a videoclip resembling all steps?

[fierce bane]

not offhand, no

[clear yew]

@north tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFl5k3zh3-Q

[north tree]

Thanks man

Quite a lengthy process if you’re doing 8 emotes lol

[fierce bane]

just watched a quick bit of that...but they definitely don't need to be ogg files...

[north tree]

@fierce bane What if I wanted to make all 8 of my emotes have sound effects

Would I have to make 8 dups for it?

[fierce bane]

@north tree technically you could make one duplicate...just prepare everything for the emotes before you duplicate

the duplicate is just for animating so you don't mess up your main model

[north tree]

Ah

Is the duplicate optional or essential ?

When I was overriding animations I got to the point where I didn’t need to duplicate

[fierce bane]

I would recommend just doing it, it takes no time and avoids other frustration in fixing if you mess it up

[north tree]

Yeah

[fierce bane]

you don't even need to keep it after animating if you don't want to

[north tree]

Alrighty

Thank you very much

1 more thing

I’m kinda goofed at the part when he opens the Animator

[fierce bane]

explain?

[north tree]

In the video he puts his animations on the animator tool

At 4:29

[fierce bane]

if you have an animation already made for the emote, drag and drop it directly onto the avatar duplicate

[north tree]

Alrighty

I’ll give it a shot tomorrow

[fierce bane]

the 0:00 and 0:01 animation is for gestures, if they're longer than that they keep playing, causing issues with other animations

emotes don't have the same issue, though they're capped near a minute I believe

also if it's not a gun or something, don't put the audio source on the hand like in the video.
The sound will come from the hand, so if it's a dance the sound will be moving all over the place.
If you want your audio to not move around while the animation moves you, just attach it at the same level as body/armature

[north tree]

Would something like the hips work?

[fierce bane]

hips still move around in a dance. If it's attached to the model or the armature directly it won't move (you can still set it's position at hip height if you want )

[cobalt meadow]

I've been scowering the internet on how to do blinking animations, but after making it work in unity (pressing play will show the blinking animation does work) but the blinking animation isn't showing in-game.

[quasi hinge]

Are you using legacy animations?

[cobalt meadow]

no?

If you mean the tick box in the animation, then its switched off

[cold pulsar]

The animation should be inside an animator and then that animator inside an animator slot on your armature where the hierarchy of the animation works. Should also make sure 'always animate' is on so it's not culled if you aren't visible

[cobalt meadow]

alright, I'll try following that

[south current]

https://streamable.com/x1di1

Beast mode

[viral parrot]

Hey guys I have been working on a model recently and I downloaded some particles and obects for this model. I have a floating orb that I am trying to use but when I bring them into unity all I see is this. Is there a way I can get unity to show me exactly what this object is so that I can position it correctly?

[fierce bane]

@viral parrot those are the icons for particles, sound, and camera (from front to back)
Hit Play at the top of the screen to see and hear it.
Remember any changes made in play mode will reset when you stop play mode.

[viral parrot]

oh nice thank you so much @fierce bane

[north tree]

@fierce bane I've added the Audio file to the animation successfully, the problem is that the audio clip is very faint and others cannot hear it

[fierce bane]

@north tree do you hear it at all?

[north tree]

I heard it, but it was a very quiet, faint sound

[fierce bane]

the audio may be too low. Check the audio source first and make sure the volume isn't low

[north tree]

@fierce bane I have increased the audio and it still sounds the same

I increased the audio level in particular

[clear yew]

Is there a way to spawn a gameobject on a particle collision? I wanna set an animation I made to spawn where a particle hits

[grim coyote]

i have a complaning, about generic avatars being broken

i hate being slided through the ground in idle animation. how other people see me

[clear flicker]

So animate your walking animation

Generic avatars dont use a humanoid rig so they cant be animated by vrc, thats how they work.

[fierce bane]

just have to wait till they fix it....if ever

[clear flicker]

Thats literally not a thing that will ever happen, its not a bug.

[fierce bane]

it's a bug with the new IK

it worked fine before the networked IK

[clear flicker]

What?

whats the bug

[fierce bane]

the lack of data being transfered...they didn't incorporate some things across networked IK

you can see the animations locally, but to anyone else you just slide around

[clear flicker]

Oh, understood. I assume they just didnt animate their walking and were complaining

[nova pilot]

so, I'm trying to rotate my ears for this gesture, but the bones don't seem to want to rotate properly

[white herald]

disable dynamic bones?

[nova pilot]

oh that worked

weird it hasn't given me that problem before

[clear yew]

how do people make those physics projectiles like for example a rocket hitting something or maybe glass hitting the floor and breaking

like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opLUJeM8qqM

[clear yew]

i mean

you can download the prefab lol

and look at how it was made

what prefab

that one is different than a lot of projectiles, most are just particle systems and don't use physics

https://github.com/oofdesu/lin-unity-packages

ah

its on my github

ok thanks

👌 np

@clear yew uh it's way complex though if you aren't used to unity. might want to start with particle systems if you're trying to figure out stuff legitimately

ok

i mean you can still use it if you follow the install guide. it's one of my worse guide but it's usable. you can replace the effects and stuff easily. but yeah, try to find some vrchat particle system videos or regular unity particle system videos

most of the time, when someone is shooting a projectile that has collision, they are using a particle system with the collision module

yes ok

[dark cypress]

I'm having too much fun animating this so I wanted to share it
https://streamable.com/o15vm

[cobalt meadow]

Where do I apply a blinking animation? or where do I put my blinking animation which I've just made so that my character blinks once in awhile because I can't find anything on google.

The animation also makes the wings constantly flap too

[muted prairie]

blink is just part of the shapekeys, same as mouth shapekeys

[dark cypress]

What I did was putting an animator somewhere besides the main character and it worked fine, I placed it on the mesh

[muted prairie]

Unless you're animating bones for everything, in which case you'd have to replace the Idle animation in a duplicate override controller

[cobalt meadow]

placed it on the body itself you say?

[dark cypress]

yeah

[cobalt meadow]

this animation both moves bones and visemes though

[dark cypress]

ah that wouldn't work then, mine only had visemes

[cobalt meadow]

the blinking works with visemes, while the wing flap animations was done through animating the bones

[dark cypress]

I think what Ruuubick said is the best way

[cobalt meadow]

so should i split the animation into two seperate animation?

[dark cypress]

override the idle animation with the same idle animation + your animation

[cobalt meadow]

alright then

[dark cypress]

I think that's how

[cobalt meadow]

I'll try that thanks

[icy swallow]

Why does the hand open and close and the item blink when an item (akimbo pistols) is spawned though an animation? Because the repeat animation box is checked?

[cold pulsar]

You need to have the same keyframes on 0 and 0.01

[mighty steppe]

im trying to install a chair on avatar "PET" witch worked
but when some one sits on the chair...their head is broken and movements...(this when i use an animation to scale the avatar)

any ideas why that happens?

it looks like that

[granite crown]

I can't tell what is causing this finger glitch, I though it was because the bones from different fingers were making contact but moving the thumb further away made the thumb twitch more.

[surreal crater]

@granite crown make sure on the 0 frame and the 1 frame the keyframes from the hand are the same

[granite crown]

they are

[surreal crater]

🤔

[surreal crater]

make sure the line actually moves to the other side

just selecting them will not change the numbers if im correct

click at the top to change the white bar position

[granite crown]

yeah, there isn't a discrepancy

[surreal crater]

alright

does the same problem ocur in unity or vrchat only?

[granite crown]

I just tried playing it in Unity and the thumb doesn't twitch

[surreal crater]

Im not sure if this will work but sometimes remaking the animation from scratch will fix stuff. I had the same problem with other stuff like audio aswell and remaking it fixed it after dubbel checking everything like 100 times.

[granite crown]

so just copy the positions and transplant that into a new animation file?

[surreal crater]

you could try that but I cant guarantee that it will fix it

also what popped into my mind are you just holding 1 gesture only or 2 on both hands?

[granite crown]

one, the gun appears in the right hand regardless of what hand is going fingergun

[surreal crater]

alright

did remaking the animation work/help in any way?

[granite crown]

testing that now

the transplant seemed to fix it. Thx for the help.

[surreal crater]

no problem 👍

[clear yew]

nvm

[stark trail]

weird question for yall animators

is there a way to detect between VR mode and desktop mode for an avatar?

i have an idea for a standing idle for desktop, but not only would it just be an anim, it would also load in an extra object

so one more mesh and material

obv i dont want that shit to show up in vr mode

would this be possible?

specifically idle + object + particles emitting out of object, constant

[mighty steppe]

can anyone tell me what im doing wrong??

i cant seem to fix that issue for some reason..

[violet moss]

I thought I was being clever making my vehicles appear via shape key, but it seems there's no way to get props to appear when you walk no matter what

if idle stopped playing when you walked it would have worked

[fierce bane]

@violet moss Idle blends with walk, so you could potentially use an exaggerated shape key to do it. Pretty sure they have the same issue that generics have in that it would only show locally right now...not certain though, might be worth a shot.

[violet moss]

people only see humanoid parameters remotely, no matter what. I don't think there's any work arounds that are possible

I think i've exhausted all ideas lol

[novel path]

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/323134120/fullscreen/ I made a persona 5 test battle there isn't much to do on it at the moment on it

and the animation quality isn't to good

lol

well basically it's just a bunch of screenshots

lol

[clear yew]

so uh, you can't do a gesture while doing a emote anymore, was that meant to be changed? ingame*

[mighty steppe]

3 days i dont have an answer of how or why the heck unity keeps reverting back the values of an animation.

i cant resize an avatar for an animation

[mighty steppe]

i cant create an animation witch it resize the avatar for a chair.

[echo wraith]

Anyway to add blinking to an avatar without adding a second animator? I'm trying to do one animator to keep it Quest friendly and I have no idea how to animate anything outside of the original avatar like a blink without it being an override.

[clear yew]

You have to use an animator, which isn't the exact same as an override

[echo wraith]

I think an animation controller and animation component both add to the amount of animators though, could be wrong.

[clear yew]

Animation component isn't used anymore, do you mean animator component? In any case, yeah you need to use an animator to animate the Body blinking blend shapes

[echo wraith]

Okay, I haven't really done any passive animations since legacy so was not aware. I was using Animation component.

Okay, since my avatar already has an animator component for his override I can't create another one on him, can I add a passive blink to his main override animator without it being a hand gesture?

[clear yew]

the override animator shouldn't count toward anything

it should be empty, as well

like, the animator on your Avatar object should be listed as None with only the 'avatar' field populated

then if you have a budget of 1 animator you can put it on your Body object

put a looping animation clip in it that animates the blinking blend shape

and have the animator on by default

why can't you do blinking with the eye tracking component btw? should do it automatically. usually the reason to animate blinking is because your Body mesh isn't at root or you have a special circumstance or something

[echo wraith]

If I have none don't I have no animations in game? https://puu.sh/E1bJ6/e86c427265.png

Oh, blink was an example. It's actually just a propeller that constantly spins.

Okay, so keeping an animator empty still counts as an animator which breaks the 1 animator maximum for Quest... So tough. To be clear, I know how to do the animation, keeping it with one animator is the tough part.

[clear yew]

that animator really shouldn't count... it doesn't do anything. it gets replaced at runtime

make sure your sdk is actually updating your performance profile

if that animator counted then everyone would already be at the 1 animator cap

[echo wraith]

I mean, the animator is where you throw an override for custom hand gesture emotes so I'd imagine it'd stay after runtime. The Quest limit is 1 max, so the default one wont do anything, once you add a second one it becomes poor performance for Quest users meaning it's blocked by default. I honestly can't see how or if it's even possible to add a running propeller without a second animator unless I somehow make the propeller spin my new default run animation/idle. lol

Thanks for the help, Lindesu, gonna just upload with poor performance for Quest users and tell them to unblock me through performance settings. Saved me a lot of time since I was stuck in my old legacy ways. Haha

[mighty steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390924344475254792/606966434483929099/unknown.png

[clear yew]

@echo wraith do your sdk say you have 2 animators?

[mighty steppe]

this what happens when animator to resize avatar works...

[clear yew]

the override controller for your gestures and emotes isn't the same thing as an normal animator controller

[mighty steppe]

unfortunately doesnt work for armature...witch unity wont let me do it
it just reverts the values back to 100%

[pulsar pine]

hello everyone

[clear yew]

i mean i think i've seen that done normally before, without broken stuff

are you disabling ik and all that ?

for the person sitting in the chair

[pulsar pine]

well guys im know

new

[mighty steppe]

i only installed the chair on something...the chair animation works fine except re-size

size is the only thing that doesn't work

[clear yew]

so when i've seen it done the person always disables ik

which requires final ik

[mighty steppe]

from where u disable ik?

[clear yew]

it's something you animate. furthermore, i don't know if it can still be done with netik. maybe it can idk. each avatar has some final ik scripts running on them and if they are sitting in a chair, the animator on the chair can animate those scripts off

so that you can govern what their armature is doing with the same animator

[pulsar pine]

what are u guys talking about because i also ihave VRchat

[echo wraith]

@clear yew Yeah, it says I have 2 since my main avatar has an animator component and so does the propeller that animates.

[mighty steppe]

i dont know what to do to fix that

[clear yew]

this is a channel for discussing animations for vrchat. you probably want to hang out in the general channels if you're new @pulsar pine

[pulsar pine]

hold where is it

[clear yew]

@echo wraith make sure you don't have a stray animator component somewhere else in your hierarchy.

the animator on your avatar object just shouldn't be counted by the sdk

[mighty steppe]

stray animator?

[clear yew]

not you, for johnny

for you, there is a screenshot i have somewhere of the properties you need to animate

but it's loose somewhere

also you would need final ik, which is like a $90 unity package

[mighty steppe]

player mobility whats that exactly?

i know the 2 options from there

except mobile

[clear yew]

@pulsar pine all the channels of this discord are in a #list to the left, the general ones are at the top

what

[echo wraith]

@clear yew By default when I first drop the avatar in the count is 1 in the SDK

[clear yew]

can you screenshot? my sdk (latest) won't even show how many animators i have on my avatar until after i go over the limit by some

with a fresh avatar with the default animator on the avatar object, it doesn't list having any animators on the build control panel

is there a special quest sdk?

[echo wraith]

Nah, just the latest SDK shows it. 1 sec

https://puu.sh/E1cJw/b1146e3541.png

And this is a freshly dragged in model https://puu.sh/E1cL7/443f7942ca.png

[clear yew]

okay, im seeing what you are now

that's ridiculous that it's counting

yeah looks like you just can't have a passive animator without deleting the one used on the main avatar object

[frank yarrow]

i dont like how mesh disabling/enabling gesture animations are now scuffed

[crude aspen]

So I read there is a way to launch yourself at fast speed by having a collider on something like feet that hits another object you place behind youself. That makes me wonder if you could yeet yourself high by enabling 2 objects in front of you and swinging your hands with colliders attached to them. Or if you had a collider on your avatar that you animate to move like a piston for controlled speed increase. Is this how those flying avatars like that one knuckles one work?

[deft mountain]

The second way you mentioned, yes.

You just have a box with a regular collider on it and activate with a gesture.

While active the box will push you in a direction.

Rinse/repeat.

Once you have it where you want, delete the mesh on the box.

[autumn yew]

I'm using a custom idle pose, but it jitters/stutters(?) while transitioning from motion back to idle. Anyone know what is causing this? Not sure if stutter is the right term for it. It kind of feels like rubberbanding back to idle position. So it's not exactly a smooth transition.

Is it possible to lengthen the transition time? I feel like that would fix it.

[deft mountain]

Maybe unrelated, but that also happens when I add something to the armature of certain models that gets activated via gesture. In motion they are positioned fine, but once idle they start shaking. Haven't found the cause yet. I can only suggest you check the properties on the pose for anything odd.

[autumn yew]

This is probably a different case. The shake only happens for about half a second until it repositions itself to idle. There is no gesture or activation of any kind involved. Just for walking/running/moving back to idle would cause it. It just makes the avatar looks stiff while transitioning back to idle pose.

Hopefully this doesn't further confuse things, but using dynamic bones as analogy... it's like having high elasticity and minimal dampening. So it kind of rubberbands back into idle position after I stop moving. Though a lot more subtle in this case.

[fierce bane]

you're not likely to find help doing something that could easily be abused

[clear flicker]

im pretty sure thats straight up against the rules as it is

[pliant plank]

Well it really depends on context, having [REDACTED] with a spritesheet animation isn't necessarily evil or harmful, but it can be if used improperly (like all things really)
But i could see something like this being used on a world for an "event" area per example

Or even in an RPG context, in which the host could give those around them a HUD for a scene of sorts, appliances many, but it unfortunatelly gets misused more than it likely should

[clear flicker]

The description says "flashes text" sounds bad to me

Epilepsy etc

[torn pawn]

@deft mountain how about no 🙂

[rich geyser]

how would one make a particle effect be stationary when activated instead of moving with the users camera and body

[cold pulsar]

Attach the particle system to a stationary prop using rigid bodies and fixed joints or final IK

[rich geyser]

its a multi stage particle effect put on a gesture and i cant lock it in place and if i move it out of the model base the gesture wont work or i dont know how to use rigid bodies right

[clear yew]

@rich geyser so, depending on what you're doing you can probably just use world particles instead of local ones, but to generally lock all kinds of objects in place you can use a world fixed joint, or if you have final ik, use world fixed ik

this has instructions and prefabs for gesture and emote

this is the same thing except with final ik

[rich geyser]

i used world sim but that only locked on ring as it was on the start up ill give these a try

[finite portal]

Anyone know of that prone idle animation where your avatar is like lying down on its right side?
*Found pic https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/9u75q4/help_how_do_i_set_up_this_idle_animation_to_a/

[marble thorn]

i wana take the hat off of my charater but i dont know how

can someone please help me

[nimble ridge]

@finite portal psst, dms

[marble thorn]

can someone please me me

hello?

anyone

😦

i mean take it off and put it into my hand

[nimble ridge]

There are some good tutorials on yt

Doing exactly that

[marble thorn]

can you send me one

or a link to one

brb

back

[rich geyser]

is there any guides on using fixed joint i dont understand it and i can only find guides requiring Final IK and i dont have that

ive also turned every particle set to world and they still follow my LOS

[marble thorn]

can someone help explane this

[fierce bane]

@marble thorn find the model in your assets, select it and on the inspector panel, hit "configure" under the rig section. Make sure bones are properly mapped

[marble thorn]

i fixed it but now im having more problems

now that i have added the animation i tested it and it is out the models hand, i need to fix this

[marble thorn]

hello

[fierce bane]

Not sure what you mean by "it is out the models hand"

[clear yew]

@rich geyser there are instructions in the package I linked you. Try it and then report what is confusing you

[rich geyser]

the only intructions i found were where to put it but nothing on if i should put the particles in there or another thing and just link them to it

[marble thorn]

hello i need some help if anyone is one

[clear yew]

@rich geyser It explains how it works entirely, have you tried it in game?

i dare say it's self apparent how to make it work with any random effect

[gilded sonnet]

Hey I'm trying to make a gesture override where I sit down with a piano but I'm wondering where to place the piano in the armature or how to have him sit down
EDIT - I got it to work by positioning the model first and then adding the piano to the skeleton

[weary vigil]

I have an avatar npc standing in my world with a idle animation on

the only issue is the idle animation slowly makes her move back

is there anyway to stop that and her fix her position or stop the animation from making her move

[dark cypress]

I'm not 100% sure but try removing the "bake into pose" attribute on the clip file. If that doesn't work, go into the animation editor and look for a property called "Animator.Root T" in the clip, that one is responsible for movement. Remove the whole property or just the x/y/z keys of it.

@weary vigil

[weary vigil]

Thanks m8 I'll try that when I get home

[weary vigil]

The pose I've applied is a controller file not just an animation @dark cypress

is there anyway to edit that, I really like the idle pose in it

[dark cypress]

@weary vigil I just woke up sorry, have you fixed it? Animation controllers are made out of states which are clips in nature. Click on the idle state, then on the clip and it should take you to the clip in the assets. Press Ctrl+6 to open the animation editor then click on the idle clip to edit it.

Ah but before you edit it, see if it has "bake into pose" turned on

To see the states of an animation controllers, just double click it in the assets

[weary vigil]

clicking on the controller opens up the animation tab instead of the different clips for some reason

nvm added it to a different controller and found the animation

should bake into pose xz be turned on?

yep i think thats fixed it

also trying to apply an animation from Mixamo to a avatar I found online, but I'm getting some error pose, is there fix for this or is it something to do with the rigging?

[echo wraith]

Anyone have any guides on how to play with the new audio source? My animations are so quiet now.

Not looking for ear murder, just enough sound to give my friends and I a good jam. lol

[nocturne trellis]

how to test an avatar's animation on the avatar in unity before uploading it? (i mean if i downloaded the animation, not if i made it)

[cold pulsar]

@echo wraith If you haven't I would check the docs on what all the settings do in the new component. Don't know of any guides as it's a lot of trial and error for everyone atm since it's still new.

@nocturne trellis Duplicate your avatar and then drag the animation onto in. That will create a new animator that will play the animation on load. If you then hit the play button the animation will play

[nocturne trellis]

oooo i see! thanks 👍

[echo wraith]

@cold pulsar Thank you, I'll do that. 👍 😀

[dark cypress]

@weary vigil I've had trouble with Mixamoo too. I think you need to upload the character you're using to mixamo then download the animation because mixamo uses transform animation instead of rig animation so any change in naming messes it up

otherwise you'd have to spend at least an hour replacing each property with its corresponding bone

[weary vigil]

yeh i came to a conclusion similar to that

ended finding soem free animation packs

thanks for all the help tho

[dark cypress]

Cool, you're welcome

[clear yew]

hey guys can someone help me with this animation, im trying to make a emote for my avatar that makes my googles come down.

but like i want them to stay down on the avatar

[frail granite]

Gah so, I wanna spin a Karambit on my finger, I've got the basics of the spring joint down but I don't know how to actually make it look like a spinning knife
Tried freezing the rotation on the X and Z so it only spun on the Y but the whole thing stops moving

[clear yew]

@clear yew you need to toggle them on try to understand how this works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGRcow4uUXQ

there are other videos on my channel, the discord help ones, i go over various examples

[steel inlet]

Anyone know how to sync sounds up with emote animations?

Even if i move the animation portion back and leave the audio start at 0.00, the animation and sound still start at the same time. lemme get a screencap

[clear yew]

you probably need to animate the audio source object off for the first few frames

if you just have an enable keyframe way out where you want it to start, it will take that value and animate it for the starting keyframe

[steel inlet]

Like this?

Originally the parts above were at 0:00, but the audio was still delayed

even though i changed it to start way before the animations

[clear yew]

explicitly animate the audio source game object off

for the starting period if you don't want it to start there

[steel inlet]

ah i think im wording it wrong

the problem is the audio starts after the animation, no matter how far back i push the actual animated part

is there a way to delay the actual animated part to compensate for that?

[clear yew]

so the audio plays immediately yes?

[steel inlet]

The audio waits for about .5 seconds before playing, even though in the clip itself it starts instantly.

[clear yew]

so you want it to start instantly, or with delay?

[steel inlet]

instantly

[clear yew]

it should start instantly if you have an enable keyframe at 0:00 of your animation, and the audio itself has no delay on it

[steel inlet]

thats... what ive been trying to figure out.

[clear yew]

take the audio into audacity and see if it has a delay in it

might just be silent at the start of the audio clip

[steel inlet]

that might be it, ty lemme try that

fixed, ty

[clear yew]

thx lindesu i appreciate it a lot

[clear yew]

@clear yew you're welcome also heads up you're on the wrong unity version apparently

[echo wraith]

I went from not being able to get my audio on animations to be loud enough to my sound is too loud and server wide. Lots of trial and error for me.

[clear yew]

your screenshot says 2017.4.27f1

you should be on 2017.4.28f1

[echo wraith]

I love the sound of 2D audio but I would love it to not play through the whole server. Documentation (https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrc_spatialaudiosource#section-using-2d-audio) mentions it still has a drop off in sound but no matter what I've tried the sound has been for the whole server.

I only have a 3D audio curve, really wish I had a 2D one to play with.

[livid horizon]

Anyone know what this issue means and how it is fixed?

The script class couldn't be found
UnityEngine.AnimationClip:SetCurve(String, Type, String, AnimationCurve)

[marble thorn]

any one know how to upload this avatar, it only says clear player prefrences and somthing ealse, please help me

[livid horizon]

Basically I am trying to find a way to disable IK for animations, but the one method i found, gives that error I posted a bove when trying to use it.

[clear flicker]

@marble thorn 15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels

[marble thorn]

crepper!

[clear yew]

Reinstall your sdk maybe chungus

@livid horizon do you have final ik imported?

[livid horizon]

I do not....I don't want to spend $90, plus I don't think it actually matters. I more or less got the script to add the disabling IK to the animation, but it didnt matter. If someone sits on the chair attached to my avatar, their IK is not disabled. Project is failed. So either the frame didnt work because the Final IK was not part of my assets, or people just cant have their full body IK disabled when sitting on a chair attached to an avatar

@clear yew

[clear yew]

I guess I'll try it one day and let you know if that's the case

Might be either one, idk if netIK broke being able to disable IK

Do mmd dance worlds still work?

[livid horizon]

They probably do, I am more in to believing I have no idea how to get it done and have very few people who are willing to tackle the issue with me, heh

[autumn yew]

When animator behavior is disabled, it should revert back to the default state yes (assuming 'write defaults' is on)? If that is so, it doesn't seem to work as intended?

[marble thorn]

Cepper, aw-man

[clear yew]

@autumn yew yeah i think so. to get it to write defaults, the clip/motion/state being played needs to actually end, and when you are animating behavior.enabled 0, it's ungracefully shutting down the animator

so i would think it has no chance to write defaults back

[autumn yew]

hmm, apparently there's no graceful way to shut animator off? since parameters doesn't seem to be allowed.

[clear yew]

well, either shut the animator off and write defaults explicitly with another animator, or you separate things a bit, where your gesture animates behavior.enabled 1/0 on an animator, and that animator then starts another animator, and the final animator there will shut itself off and play it's clip entirely, end, and write defaults

[autumn yew]

Hmm, but main problem is the inability to have more than one animator component in one part. Like the body, for examples.

[clear yew]

yeah the Body is difficult. Eye tracking seems to be the thing that breaks and you can

can't fix*

need to use eye tracking shader and blinking animation

[autumn yew]

I would need another animator higher up on hierarchy to write the default state. In this case, it would be the armature, but that wouldn't work as that also has an animator. Would probably need to add an empty game object under armature then move everything under that just so I can fit another animator in. Not sure if that will break everything though....

[clear yew]

well what are you trying to animate

maybe it doesn't need to use armature objects

[autumn yew]

Blinking haha. I wanted to be able to reset the animator to default state to prevent the 1/100 chance that behavior is shut off mid-blink.

[clear yew]

how many states does your blinking have?

not just a looping clip?

[autumn yew]

2 states, default state , and a looping

[clear yew]

is default non-blinking?

[autumn yew]

in a perfect world, it should rewrite to default. Yes default nonblinking

[clear yew]

how are you animating the disable?

emote or gesture?

[autumn yew]

gesture

0/1 behavior

[clear yew]

okay so you have a gesture to stop blinking

[autumn yew]

yes, stop the animator behavior.

It stops it, but on rare occasion it would stop it mid blink which animating other facial expressions also present in that gesture. Makes for a mess.

[clear yew]

do you always want it to freeze at a predictable eye position?

like, always wide open when you stop blinking?

[autumn yew]

That's why I was trying to find a way to fix it. But can only think of ways to decrease chance of stopping mid blink... Basically decreasing rate of blink and increasing blink speed...

And yes. I want it with blink at 0.

Or in this case, close to 0 would be lovely enough.

[clear yew]

so luckily i think in your case, all you need to do is animate the blink to 0 inside the gesture which stops your animator

[autumn yew]

I just tried that like 30 minutes ago!! Didn't work... for some reason.. hmm

[clear yew]

maybe disable write defaults on the animator

it can lock a property up

[autumn yew]

Now I'm attempting to actually have that and the behavior disable on the first frame, and move everything else up one... see if that works.

or no... wait... It should work if animator stops first. Because blink gesture wouldn't work if animator still going. Maybe it's ineffective if it was done at same time... So maybe disable behavior first frame and 2nd frame is blinking to 0.

[clear yew]

both frames in the gesture should be the same value

[autumn yew]

So a 3 frame gesture instead of 2? hmm