vrchat-general-2

[fading bough]

I'm just a furry who makes avatars my comms are open pls buy my models

/s

[grave haven]

I have not heard any plans of making the VRC+ features free, that is how they cover a big part of the expenses.

[vocal shard]

🤢

[fading bough]

ok puro icon

anyway

[fading epoch]

Its a first hearing this from me too but if its true it makes me feel slightly better. Still pretty shitty imo.

[lament lily]

Anyone know any good shooting worlds?

[fading epoch]

But yes, creator economy, id rather give a cut of my earnings to patreon rather than VRC lol

Very upsetting how much theyre pushing us to give them money like they have been when they have so many flaws to fix and a community to listen to.

My feelings with VRC as are many others are this is just the best we've got, if we could switch to a better platform we would in a heartbeat.

[vocal shard]

i guess like, the upside to being a creator w vrc instead of separate like patreon (just going w that cuz u said it) is that you’ll have those people who don’t really look at stuff outside of the game suddenly having eyes on/access to ur work.

i dunno. just kinda thinkin.

[fading epoch]

I didnt and i dont intend to

[fading epoch]

Good point, not super happy giving them my money and putting my money i earn in the hands of their poor security tho.

[meager solstice]

@fading epoch plz explain in further detail about poor security also examples would help me understand

[vocal shard]

no yeah, the poor security is definitely an issue if they’re going for something like this.

[fading epoch]

Clients you can get for 10$ is enough for vrc+ at the press of a button, dev tools and access and more. Need i say more?

Yes, that doesnt mean people dont do it

[vocal shard]

yeah. i’ve heard some people openly talk about ripping models and stuff in like,, black cat :( it sucks.

[vocal shard]

you don't get access to any dev tools ?

[fading epoch]

In fact just stay out of public worlds and you dont get banned for such clients and things

[vocal shard]

dev tools applies moderation tools, like banning people and you can't do that

[fading epoch]

Watched my buddy today use a few exploits that spoofed his in game location and status as offline. Few other stuff he didnt get into as well

[vocal shard]

oh no, he managed to show as offline
crazy

[meager solstice]

@fading epoch aren’t those just bugs.... that have popped up.

[fading epoch]

You can take world IDs and force load into them, pricate or not

[fading epoch]

No. Definitely not lol.

[still lark]

You can do that without a client LMAO

[meager solstice]

Pretty sure the most common bugs r the “show offline” bug and social list not updating properly

[fading epoch]

Idk man next youre in a private world think about how you could possibly not be alone in there and you just dont know it. Pretty big privacy breach.

Antikicks as well, force loading avatars, tons of crash clients that can do more than crash your game

All for like 20$ on a website.

[still lark]

🤡

[fading epoch]

You must be new here lol

[meager solstice]

Sounds like cheats for any other game just about

[fading epoch]

Stealing assets, breaching others' privacy, subscription to a paid service at one click, etc

Thats more than just cheating in a videogame thats malicious lol

[meager solstice]

@fading epoch stealing assets......

Not even a “fixable” issue

[fading epoch]

Its deterable

Anti crash is a client

[meager solstice]

@fading epoch name a single game that has prevented ripping. I’ll wait

[vocal shard]

lets goooo

[tacit plank]

Imagine getting banned for preventing yourself from being crashed lol

[feral dune]

👉😬👈

[fading epoch]

Prevention and deterrant are two different things

[tacit plank]

That said, if you use clients, don't use malicious ones, it's unexcusable

[meager solstice]

Ok name a game that deters ripping and how

[fading epoch]

Look, we can all agree that VRC has terrible security.

[hardy cloak]

Dont use any clients, they all lead to a ban

no matter why you use them

[fading epoch]

Vrchats competetor CVR, as well as literally anything that embeds their files

[vocal shard]

pretty sure you can't join a private instance randomly

[meager solstice]

@fading epoch bro their population is like 50 people.... watch if it gets to vrc level you’ll have the same stuff going on

[vocal shard]

LMAO good timing

[fading epoch]

Watched a buddy do it today lmao

[vocal shard]

sure you did lmao

and a friend of mine saw someone ban tupper

[fading epoch]

Oh, so you think im bluffing on a public discord server lmao

[vocal shard]

bro on god?

yeah I do
like many many others

[meager solstice]

I think u r very misinformed

[vocal shard]

tupper gone. F.

[fading epoch]

Look, yes or no, do you think VRC has poor security

[meager solstice]

Tbh

I think it has the same security as any other game

[fading epoch]

If you think no, you have not experienced enough lmao

[meager solstice]

I mean I can go buy cheats for any game

So... all games must just have bad security @fading epoch

By that logic

[fading epoch]

Idk chief. None of my other games i play got people overloading GPUs and invading privacy like that

[vocal shard]

depend what exactly

[meager solstice]

No gpu has been harmed by vrc

[fading epoch]

Mostly how easy it is to exploit and break i'd say. Just going back to how we were talking about the creator economy being risky.

[fading epoch]

How long have you been on VRC?

[vocal shard]

worse people can do is to crash you

[meager solstice]

Let’s see 3 years

[fading epoch]

Chief, ive seen a lot worse and im not even those client monkeys running around lol

[vocal shard]

worse than crashing ? like what

[meager solstice]

Idk bro he’s gonna pull the “crashers caused pc to catch fire” card

[vocal shard]

ah yes
the famous cpu fryer hoax

[fading epoch]

stories and witnessed GPUs getting overloaded and fried. Some dude got trigger happy on me once flexing his 'super bad crasher' and i had to unplug my pc from the wall cause it was boutta explode lmao

[vocal shard]

so many gullible people got hit by it

yeah there it is LMAO

[fading epoch]

How are you so sure its a hoax?

[meager solstice]

lol told u

[vocal shard]

because you can't fry a PC through a game

[fading epoch]

So you get crashed, PC goes black and turns on like a jet engine only getting louder and you just think thats a crash lmao

[gentle slate]

Completely random but does anyone here play test pilot

[meager solstice]

Been crashed multiple times by people claiming the same thing over the past 3-4 years. My 1060 is fine, my 2070 has been fine.

[fading epoch]

Lmao frfr

[vocal shard]

just so you know
spreading misinformation and fear mongering can get you banned so you should probably stop here

[fading epoch]

Then lets get back to my general statement instead if going into specifics, if you are gonna be so bold as to accuse me of fearmongering lmao

[vocal shard]

but you are tho

[fading epoch]

You cannot dictate that lol

[meager solstice]

I mean the frying gpu/cpu thing is a claim that is easily labeled fearmongering

[fading epoch]

All in all, im not gonna pay support to devs who cencor their community and ignore security flaws where my money can be straight up stolen through this new service.

[fading epoch]

You also cannot dictate that lol

[vocal shard]

you're going on my KOS list 🥸

[full jetty]

People that have experience in the field of IT certainly can

I can tell you just a game will not bonk your pc unless you're overclocked in which case the oc is causing issues, not a game

[vocal shard]

the smart mfs shutting the convo down. shid.

skeptic, if you have nothing substantial to add, don't write
stop trying to instigate fights

[umbral reef]

Imagine thinking technology can do more then just turn on and off kekw
It aint gonna fucking become a bomb because it has to work

If that was the case we would have a lot less electrical engineers in the world

[full jetty]

Would yorkbruh yalls asses to hell but no nitro

[vocal shard]

i run this game at 5 ghz overclocked, the oc ain't doing shit

and claiming that a random dude can fry your PC from a game is fear mongering, not matter of you say it
there is a lot of gullible people believing this and it already happened before

[full jetty]

Cool that means you have a stable oc, not everyone has that though

It'll do that after a while

[vocal shard]

also means you are spreading misinformation

[full jetty]

Nope

[fading epoch]

As far as i know the game is only the portal to the other client. Some other shady shit i dont understand happens after that.

[full jetty]

Not every OC is stable, as a matter of fact lots of new people will do it wrong without knowing

[vocal shard]

i doubt most people even attempt OC

let alone oc at all

[full jetty]

I've poofed my pc out of existence because i miscalculated the oc capability

[vocal shard]

that's your fault

[full jetty]

Doesn't mean old school runescape crashed my entire pc though

Exactly, not the game

Now you're getting it

[vocal shard]

bold to think people are crashing due to something so niche

[full jetty]

It's definitely an underlying issue instead of the game

That's just how computers work

[cold quiver]

How is saying overclocking can be unstable is misinformation? that is a fact

[full jetty]

Public lobbies have children

[cold quiver]

an unstable overclock can result in games crashes because the cpu/gpu is unstable and has errors in its calculations due to its instability

[full jetty]

Pc only worlds don't though

[umbral reef]

The dude claimed the game itself could do harm to the computer, not you tinkering with it.

[vocal shard]

^

[full jetty]

Imagine quest

[vocal shard]

quest uses a mobile processor

of course it's gonna crash

[full jetty]

Like 0.01% of kids are pc users

Me when DK1 and CV1

Yes

Best rift

Stop using linux

Mhm mhm

[vocal shard]

the oculus app is pretty shitty, but the headset is great

[cold quiver]

i dont think he ever claimed the game could, just an oc

[full jetty]

Linux

Me when oculus account

Facebook can suck my dig

My only issue is the headass of a rift doesn't think it's on usb 3.0

But that doesn't affect anything luckily

[vocal shard]

ppl complain about facebook being attached to oculus and i don’t rlly care but i had to actually go on facebook to change my real name. and going back on that hellsite to do anything is enough to make me angry.

[umbral reef]

https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/337243225649840128/831827957776384025 👀

[full jetty]

Muh latency

[vocal shard]

me when game make graphics card go boom

[cold quiver]

i was not responding to that person's comment

[umbral reef]

But everyone else was

[cold quiver]

it was to this

[vocal shard]

he was

most people just buy a pc and don't touch the settings

and play vrchat and still crash

[cold quiver]

and most cpu's and gpu's come factory overclocked out of the box

and can be unstable even with factory settings

[vocal shard]

what

[full jetty]

I think it's rather obvious you're not experienced in the field

[vocal shard]

even if most people’s stuff isn’t overclocked, someone’s statement not applying to literally everyone isnt misinformation.

[full jetty]

I have experience in fucking up, and not fucking up

[sharp rose]

Well, that's a first. Never seen someone claim most hardware is OC'd by default.

Not in 30 years.

[full jetty]

Sach my rx580 is factory oc

[vocal shard]

first time for everything i guess

lol

[full jetty]

Literally called RX580 OC

[cold quiver]

Most 3rd party gpu vendors come with factory overlocks

[vocal shard]

yeah
microsoft sold me an OC pc that crash on boot :(

[cold quiver]

my 1080'd default settings are unstable in some games and i have to tune it down

[vocal shard]

"most"

[sharp rose]

rip :p

[cold quiver]

welcome to silicon lottery

[full jetty]

I nearly forgot I don't have perms for images

[vocal shard]

a few of them and it's clearly indicated if it is

and people buying OC usually knows wtf they are doing

[full jetty]

I oc'd my oc, double stacked clock mmm

[cold quiver]

most of them are though, all the 3rd party gpu's run the exact same gpu die, and are typically clocked higher than what nvidia ships in their founders edition cards

[sharp rose]

Most places that sell pre-OC'd hardware will advertise the fact, specifically because they want to draw in people interested in that. Or at least, the idea of it. Even then, factory OC can be pretty conservatively set.

[umbral reef]

Also most 'factory overclocked' are just proper silicon cards that can have a higher base clock without any impact on the silicon.
Not really an overclock when they can assure the same warranty and all

[full jetty]

Yeah gpu has a OC edition sticker

I can oc my gpu further, but I'm just scared

I'm stupidly poor so i better not break my components

[vocal shard]

don't most mobo have protection

and warranties

[full jetty]

Warranty is like 2 years

[sudden anvil]

@quaint dew when you get Gina be on?

[quaint dew]

Gina?

[sudden anvil]

Wait I think this the wrong spix and I meant gonna

[quaint dew]

Ooooh

[sudden anvil]

I have you added right?

[quaint dew]

Theres another spix?

[sudden anvil]

Unless....

It is you the one who had the name for while

[quaint dew]

I think so

[sudden anvil]

Your the one who has the name for years right lolol

[quaint dew]

Oh

Yea haha

[sudden anvil]

Oh it is you

I thought it was spx before did you change it up?

[quaint dew]

Nah its always been this haha

[sudden anvil]

I feel dumb 😩

[quaint dew]

Hahaa dw about it

[sudden anvil]

But yeah I just got off I have a two new avatars I like

[quaint dew]

Truth is i really am never on

Woah nice

[sudden anvil]

I can see lolol

[meager solstice]

Ummmm

He was looking for animations I think,

Bad way to put it

[summer adder]

Aloha! Seen alot of people sitting in positions I cannot recreate, or laying down on their backs and also playing music from their avatars, (noob question) what am I missing to achieve the full unadulterated pc version? Thanks🤞

[vocal shard]

customs animations
also they may have full body tracking too

^

[summer adder]

No no it's easier than that I'm sure

[vocal shard]

music from their avatars is either music built into a toggle or hand gesture that plays or they play it through their mic

[summer adder]

Using vrc overlay does some of the work, gravity and so on

[vocal shard]

yeah it just sounds like fbt

[gray marsh]

Here is a hot take. I am feeling miffed about the amount of quest users. And it's entirely selfish, I'm aware. - I have put so much effort into making my avatar cool. Something I really enjoy. And 80% of the people in the public worlds won't see it. Bah.

/rant

[vocal shard]

make a cardboard stand version of it for them quest users

theyll love it trust me

[vocal shard]

go into PC only worlds and you won't have this issue

[modern hill]

hihi

[outer mulch]

egg

wrong chat~

[vocal shard]

i actually don’t run into many quest users in random public worlds

only rarely will i find a large group

[modern hill]

ive seen a ton recently

since i started joining public more

[vocal shard]

I find half of every public world is quest users but then again, I don’t stick on pc only worlds.

[woven phoenix]

Im in a huge group of quest users

Its not that rare

[vocal shard]

i don’t do pc only and i don’t find much. but i don’t doubt there are a ton.

[modern hill]

ever since xmas 2019 ive seen alot of quest users

[woven phoenix]

Yep

[modern hill]

most are kids though

[vocal shard]

ah. maybe i just tune children out naturally

[modern hill]

probably

[woven phoenix]

Gah i hate annoying children

Some i met were super disrespectful

[modern hill]

also seeing that someone was on quest was harder before the update

not as obvious

[woven phoenix]

Hmm

[uncut trail]

some kids saying n words alot

[woven phoenix]

Mhm

[uncut trail]

hence why lack of streamers on twitch for public worlds'

[vocal shard]

cant wait for the statuses where itll just b slurs

[woven phoenix]

A kid called me a c_nt

[vocal shard]

they didn't get bullied enough

[woven phoenix]

And the kid was 7 years old

Like wtf

[modern hill]

lol

[vocal shard]

tbf i say c*nt a lot but i’m not 7 lmao

[woven phoenix]

Then your good no harm done

Xd

[vocal shard]

how old are you then 😠

[woven phoenix]

Imma guess like 19-20

[modern hill]

lol

[uncut trail]

hmm why there no snail marker for quest users ?

for people who mute

[west yoke]

Relies on a shader and trail renderer

Some form of particle renderer with one of the VRChat mobile shaders would have to be used for a quest marker

[vocal shard]

What was in the Dev stream? Is there a transcript of what they are working on? I don't watch streams

[merry parrot]

I have a marker on quest that works fine, trail renders work on quest

[worldly swan]

I have some clips of the new dynamic bones systems, and a couple of pictures of the roadmaps I can Dm you @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

Roadmaps are fine if you would be so kind

[uncut trail]

wtf had client modder after couldnt see my menu and soon i click on him i fell through the map

[ivory zealot]

Would you also be able to send those to me?

[odd blaze]

Twitch channel have the entire stream if you wanna wind around

[delicate star]

@worldly swan so ur saying vr chat will be updated eventually

[ivory zealot]

Kind of wish they would have had a post ready to go at the end of the stream of everything they covered

[delicate star]

Sooo

Will it be updated or no

[honest forge]

no

[amber juniper]

I don't know under which rock you're living, but they are updating it constantly

[delicate star]

they are?

Mmm still seems kinda buggy to me

[amber juniper]

well, it's quite big piece of software, with quite a bit of technical dept, and big backend infrastructure

it's not a hello world program

and just recently they replaced the whole backend infrastructure to handle the amount of users

but of course, nobody sees that

[vocal shard]

well of course not since they never communicate wtf they are doing 🙃

[honest forge]

correct. which is why its been pushed so heavily

[amber juniper]

well, they just did

and they want to communicate more

[vocal shard]

yeah cool, after like 7-8 months without any dev streams and people complaining about it for years
very cool

[honest forge]

i expect them to push things even more now than ever now that the community is able to generate more opinions that were already overflowing. which is cool....

[frosty veldt]

If the dev streams are too common it will just be "Still working on that thing 👍 "

[honest forge]

id rather hear them say “hey, were working on fixing this thing this month or: we found some stuff out; this is our plan”. and not features or dmca required deprevation

[amber juniper]

they said exactly that

[honest forge]

correct. but that was 20% of the stream

[amber juniper]

there is only so much that they can talk about fixing bugs...

[honest forge]

if they didnt. which they most like really didnt want to say anything. everyone would be extremely upset. which they were anyway. there is no winning or losing. its just opinion-ing now

also correct: you have a lot of smart eyes that see this game as a toy to essentially hurt other people

[amber juniper]

which is your opinion...

I rather enjoy my time spending in VRC, maybe that's why I'm more happy than others?

[vocal shard]

???

[honest forge]

i currently rather not have 1 since most of this stuff seems a bit much and very back trackible in such a way. if we think of as of right now: this is a perfect game, nothing needs to be done except a few bug fixes. we wouldnt get them since its finished. but since this is open access-y. we cant have such a luxory

[frosty veldt]

Are you seriously saying that VRC would benefit from not adding new features?

[delicate star]

Yea vr chat is fun

[honest forge]

let alone all of the re-configured assets vrc is rebranding: which is very not ok but id rather not have an opinion like that

[delicate star]

I love all the headpats and stuff

[digital lintel]

Just watching the dev stream now. Dang guys, gj. I'm hyped for the coming features. :)

[delicate star]

Oh what kinda features?

[weary jungle]

They can always ask Tupper to fix the audio bug 😆

[honest forge]

@frosty veldt it would. but there is a trend that you know exists and know why these features shouldve already existed. the devs proved they have a finished product. they are just scared because of the current prediciment

[digital lintel]

me personally.. I'm hyped to be able to interact with avatars.
mess with hair, pet ears/tails.. looks awesome. :D

[worldly swan]

Yep

[worldly swan]

Sure

[vocal shard]

what the fuck are you on about

[delicate star]

Cool

[frosty veldt]

I disagree entirely then, the game would suffer with no new features. While some of the features such as monetization can bring both bad and good, whats wrong with something like physics bones?

[honest forge]

may i also point out that avatar physics and world-orb-colliders already existed and works on vrc before avatar dynamics were a thing

[vocal shard]

with modded clients yes

[honest forge]

no, you can do it with udon

[frosty veldt]

Thats not an avatar thing then

[vocal shard]

you don't have udon on avatars

[honest forge]

unity has many physics assets that work as well

[amber juniper]

apparently, there are people who don't like it if things run better, smoother and are better integrated...

[vocal shard]

?

[forest estuary]

Smooth game dumb

[digital lintel]

weird right? lol
I'm excited to have global dyn. avatar interactions.. and have it be better performance.

[worldly swan]

Same

I was going to work on dynamic bones simulation for quest but not I don’t have to bother with that headache

[amber juniper]

me too, and the region servers, and of course the UNU

[frosty veldt]

We dont want to use 3rd party assets, thats the problem with FIK and dynamic bones

[worldly swan]

What does UNU stand for again? Keep forgetting lol

[digital lintel]

I don't think I'm that far into the stream yet. More servers? nice.

[frosty veldt]

Udon Networking Update

[worldly swan]

Ohhh right yep

[amber juniper]

mhm

[forest estuary]

Is there a summary anywhere of the stream

[worldly swan]

Super hyped for that

[forest estuary]

I thought they usually post that

[vocal shard]

not me thinking it was a type of "UWU"

[worldly swan]

Can I DM?

[honest forge]

i totally agree with that. i hate final IK. but these are tools that have worked but have been used incorrectly forever now

[forest estuary]

Sure? But I want a detailed summary

[worldly swan]

Ohh I can’t give like a super duper detailed one but I can give a bit of one

[amber juniper]

so, they should just stop improving and leaving it?

[worldly swan]

Working on a more detailed one

[honest forge]

there was kyle bent(?) on twitter who was postinf about the streams

[frosty veldt]

Then whats wrong with the devs iterating on things and giving us better tools? Just because a workaround "works" doesnt mean its ideal

[forest estuary]

Don't improve my free game, give me 18+ filter

[honest forge]

@amber juniper that is what you want as i did not say that

[amber juniper]

you said that they have a perfect game and they don't need to change anything.

[worldly swan]

Oh and for anyone that missed the first 30m of stream, they are fixing bugs first

[amber juniper]

but what ever

[honest forge]

@amber juniper i did not

@amber juniper you are talking to someone who doesnt believe in perfection either

[amber juniper]

hm?

[honest forge]

@amber juniper plz reread the “if” part. and dont skip “if”

[amber juniper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest forge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[amber juniper]

maybe you should word it a bit better then ;)

[honest forge]

ok, thats fair lol. english isnt fun but that is like.... “in theory” if it was done. what bugs would stay and what features and why would they add such features

[amber juniper]

but I'm really excited about all the bug fixes which are coming soon, and some of the new (long asked for) features. That's why I paid for VRC+ (and not for the goodies which come with it)

[crisp anvil]

My friend was genuinely disappointed because they were for some reason wanting them to announce a switch port 😂

[worldly swan]

Yeah that’s never gonna happen I hope

[honest forge]

oh no, they forgot the switch

[amber juniper]

well, yeah, in theory. But it's still under active development...

[crisp anvil]

There’s more chance of PlayStation support in the future because of PSVR 2

[honest forge]

yep

[late void]

im worried if dynamic bones will convert automatically all my avatars are gonna look like poop

[worldly swan]

Yeah I do get what people mean with “why are they adding features first omg” but they do specify they’re fixing bugs first

[frosty veldt]

Most games dont stop adding things until they die, stagnation is suicide usually

[honest forge]

yesh

[worldly swan]

Specifically they aren’t going to release/work on some of the features any more until the audio bug(s) is fixed

[amber juniper]

flatscreen quest version for switch/Playstation/xbox/android/iPhone when?

[amber juniper]

than you update them

[late void]

its not happening

[crisp anvil]

I think they could get away with a PlayStation/Xbox version like rec room

[honest forge]

honestly, if quest can work with vrc. i feel like a mobile phone port could in theory work. itd just be slightly more limited than quest

[crisp anvil]

If it’s automatic won’t dynamic bones just turn into physics bones?

[amber juniper]

well, than they should die out, like other things (or are you still running pentium 4s ?)

[late void]

im sorry what?

[amber juniper]

well, not going forward and not improving is.. well stagnation

[late void]

i jsut want the automatic conversion to be good

[crisp anvil]

Fingers crossed it will be fine

[late void]

theres no realistic way im going tp update hundreds of avatars

[honest forge]

i feel like my name is making people think im literal

[frosty veldt]

Without auto conversion we'll still have 5ms avatars running around, which would lessen the whole impact of swapping over

[amber juniper]

I hope so to, but at the same time, there are a LOT of really old worlds and avatars which don't get any love since years...

[late void]

yeah, im really worried

this game is notorious for breaking old things

[crisp anvil]

Plus with the new features they are adding “Avatar Dynamics” they are slowly but surely killing off avatars 2.0

Which was inevitable tbh

[amber juniper]

no no, you don't understand, I'm talking about getting love from the people who created and uploaded them

[worldly swan]

I think they said that dynamic bones might auto update, but they’re aiming to make existing dynamic bones that are converted as similar as possible if they do

[late void]

i know,

[late void]

X to doubt 😦

[worldly swan]

They literally say in the dynamics section “we don’t want people using 2.0 so we aren’t adding fizz bones to 2.0 except the colliders”

[amber juniper]

the VRC team goes a loooong way to still be as backwards compatible with the content as they can be, but there are sometimes technical reasons why things break

[frosty veldt]

Anyone still using 2.0 needs to move to 3.0. Its better in a lot of ways

[late void]

wait so no dynamic bone colliders?

[worldly swan]

I’ll clip the bit that says that, gimme like an hour I’m going through the entire stream again XD

2.0 gets the colliders but not the rest of it iirc

[crisp anvil]

Yup

[worldly swan]

I’m hoping unless dyn bones are already on

[late void]

aaa do you know how many avatars that would ruin? oh my god

[delicate star]

2.0 3.0?

Is this not a thing on the quest

[amber juniper]

they want to replace dynamic bones at runtime, which includes 2.0, but the new features themselfs will only come to 3.0 (because most of them aren't usable in 2.0 anyways)

[crisp anvil]

2.0 wouldn’t be ruined, it would just be extremely limited

[late void]

oh ok

[worldly swan]

Well I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t want to ruin the 2.0 Avs so I imagine they’ll allow you to convert the existing ones somehow. It wasn’t toooo clear

[amber juniper]

like it always was

[worldly swan]

Sdk2 and sdk3

[amber juniper]

they won't add new features to 2.0

[delicate star]

?!?!?

Wtf is sdk

[worldly swan]

Basically if an avatar has the mini circle menu it’s 3.0, otherwise it’s 2.0

[amber juniper]

software development kit

[honest forge]

some people perfer sdk2 because they feel stronger using it

[crisp anvil]

I’m interested in the avatar economy more. I think people could legit make a living with that

[delicate star]

Oh

[worldly swan]

I’m interested in the economy too but it’s not ready yet

[umbral reef]

2.0 and 3.0 refers to what SDK version it got uploaded with
It doesnt have anything to do with what system its on, just what 'software' it got uploaded with}

If you dont upload stuff you have nothing to worry about really as its out of your control

[worldly swan]

DMCA moderation needs to be better first

[honest forge]

that is the best answrr

[woven phoenix]

Hmmm

[delicate star]

Ok

[amber juniper]

well, just as they made 3.0 public, I switched over, and never looked back. it takes like 1h to learn how to do all the 2.0 stuff in 3.0, but than you can build up on that, and make a lot of amazing things

[delicate star]

:0 oh fuk noki found me still awake

Gotta blast!!!!!!

[worldly swan]

Oh yeah 3.0 is soooo nice

[woven phoenix]

Bitch sleep

[honest forge]

i personally use sdk 3 like 2.0

[crisp anvil]

Yeah, though I am puzzled with how it would work. Like if I want to pay for a custom from within VRChat itself how is that gonna work? Sure I pay but then do you send a msg? Lots of questions about that

[twin fractal]

true

[worldly swan]

I never did proper 2.0 stuff but I had to upload one for someone and I was like “omg ew one controller ew ew ew”

[frosty veldt]

Even if someone is better at using 2.0, they are severely limited vs 3.0

[amber juniper]

yeah, it was horrible

[crisp anvil]

I need to learn 3.0 😔

[twin fractal]

yes

[worldly swan]

They were a little loose around this, but I think they implied you can make it so you can tie a sub to an avatar or avatar group

[amber juniper]

sure 3.0 is a bit more complicated, but it can also do a LOT more, see it like 2.0 is a simple calculator, and 3.0 is a scientific one

[worldly swan]

Nah not even

2.0 is like an abacus

[amber juniper]

xD

[honest forge]

avatar 2.0 sucks because of the sniper pose ngl lol

[amber juniper]

which you can change >.>

[crisp anvil]

Pay a certain amount a month to keep an avatar? That could be rough. I hope one time purchases are allowed

[worldly swan]

Me too

[twin fractal]

3.0 isn't hard if you've done any basic programming stuff before. It's fairly intuitive.

[worldly swan]

I also hope that creators can give out “keys” and stuff

[honest forge]

@amber juniper people aint gonna do that. it took me 3 months to figure that out in 3.0

[amber juniper]

naa, it's easier than basic programming

[worldly swan]

So like you could go to an avatar shop and there’d be like some farm animal avatars with a code saying “use code xyz to get these avatars” and you could bulk add those avatars to your collection for free

[amber juniper]

it took me about 3 days to get the basics, and since then I teached several people how to use 3.0 like 2.0, and it always took me about 1h to explain

maybe you're just not a fast learner?

[honest forge]

thats impressive. and im really slow at avatars. i can make worlds easily but avatars is just “loopy” so my lol. like all my toggles are the same names but set to do different animations lol

[amber juniper]

(mind you, I'm talking about the basic stuff, like hand gestures, facial expressions, toggle things)

[worldly swan]

3.0 took me like 2 days tops to learn the FX layer, still need to do the other lays but 3.0 is so nice

[woven phoenix]

My friend is teaching me how to make avatars this Saturday

[honest forge]

yea that stuff is weird AF to world builders

[worldly swan]

Now world building, that’s something I want to learn

[amber juniper]

I have trouble with worlds xD I actually don't know ANYTHING about lighting... so my worlds just use dynamic lighting at the moment, which is okay, as the aren't big and not used by a lot of people...

[honest forge]

thats why i said earlier, you can make a world attach stuff to you to simulate global dyn bones easy

[amber juniper]

so the performance isn't to bad, but eventually I have to learn the lighting stuff

[vocal shard]

?

[twin fractal]

not sure how well that would work

[vocal shard]

not well at all

[worldly swan]

It’s doable but bad

[amber juniper]

but I don't want to depend on the world to do things with my avatar, as I don't have control over it if it's not my world

[worldly swan]

Stuff tends to lag behind you cause it’s not weight painted of course

[honest forge]

it works “object wise” but i actually havent gotten to script it to that extent. but there is proof in the butter

[vocal shard]

[honest forge]

@amber juniper thats fair

[worldly swan]

I mean before this morning when I found out about fizz bones I was going to work on simulating dyn bones for quest, glad I don’t need to tho

[honest forge]

same here. but its the same general concept. which is so cool that its actually going on quest since from november. the assumption was “quest should die off, why arent they dying off?”

[worldly swan]

Yep

[worldly swan]

I want to clarify on this btw, I mean as an animation/controller set, no colliders

I already had most of the theory worked out but oh well

[sleek granite]

new to game what is there to do

[vocal shard]

talk to people
look at mirrors

[honest forge]

and then you have me. making quest only avatars and such to essentially force quest to have a sign of life

[sleek granite]

I need some good avatars that pc and quest can see but idk any rooms for tha5

[vocal shard]

#avatar-search-old

[worldly swan]

Yeah I have a quest only Av or two, mostly due to laziness

[honest forge]

honestly. same, im not good with vrchat avatar making

id rather kloukanvr avatars. but i also suck there as well lol

[sleek granite]

wish I was

[pallid wraith]

World Persistence, AMAZING! 😄

[worldly swan]

Yep!

[regal furnace]

live databases wen? :p

[worldly swan]

Hook junkers will be able to have decent scoreboards!

[pallid wraith]

Let's port SQLite to Udon 😛

[worldly swan]

I mean they need to fix their presence DBs before letting us get our hands on them

[regal furnace]

i wouldnt mind sql in udon :p

[proper oracle]

.

[honest forge]

bro, whos ready for vket 6 and heavy abuse on that persistence system

[pallid wraith]

Think of the lag when trying to run a query 😛

[honest forge]

no lol

[regal furnace]

think of the lag and crashes when trying to run procederes/cursors as newbie 😛

[worldly swan]

At least you can more easily test it soon

[regal furnace]

this year is gonna be hella awesome for vrchat

[worldly swan]

Yep

[honest forge]

i imagine crashes as success sometimes because that tells you “stuff is technically working. it just worked too much lmao”

[worldly swan]

Yep

A legitimate testing strategy is to force it to crash so you can check the error handling

[honest forge]

yep. thats how you discover lethal shaders and stuff. especially the new whitelisted shaders for PC worlds. those new shaders absolutely slap quest worlds. completely disabling quest users from joining

[amber rivet]

does anyone want to play vrchat

[honest forge]

kinda

[sleek granite]

ugh

[vocal shard]

no

[nova tendon]

not at all

[worldly swan]

Tbh I’m kinda hyped about the launchpad too

[nova tendon]

same

[worldly swan]

They didn’t make it obvious that it’s not the main menu, but I’m loving that you don’t need the main menu to change avatar now

[nova tendon]

mhm

my opinion is ∑

[regal furnace]

sigma?

[vital dove]

hello

[regal furnace]

hello there

[urban rapids]

Hello

[vocal shard]

theres no vc ?

[urban rapids]

Nope

[regal furnace]

the game is the vc

[honest forge]

i feel like: if they copy what alt space did and put events and cool stuff in the menu. thats 100% yes for me. but if it isnt utilized often or is just kind of there. i can see soooo much backlash

[urban rapids]

Yep XD

[honest forge]

vc+r

or would it be vc*r?

[worldly swan]

Yeah this is vrchat not voice chat

I hope they do the bone permissions per bone/bone group and per avatar though

So you can have like a cat where people can boop your ears but not your tail for example

[frosty scarab]

It's weird how the top 2 vr social games are hella unoptimized

[vale osprey]

I can't wait for physic bones and colliders on quest

[frosty scarab]

It's not going to happen

[vale osprey]

Physic bones are gonna happen

[frosty scarab]

Who said it?

[vale osprey]

They literally said it on stream

[frosty scarab]

I'm surprised

[vale osprey]

Physic bones perform 10x better then dynamic bones

[frosty scarab]

I thought we wouldn't have dynamic bones

[worldly swan]

Yeah they said it’s happening

[frosty scarab]

10x better?

[vale osprey]

It's not dynamic bones

Its a new thing

[worldly swan]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoothGlamorousSlothBCWarrior-aiImZ-lRyCTCze4- https://clips.twitch.tv/DeadUgliestDunlinPlanking-QlZ4IRbAuuyl0Qi4

[frosty scarab]

So basically dynamic bones 5.0

[vale osprey]

Better then dynamic bones

[worldly swan]

Top one should be colliders, bottom one should by physics bones

[frosty scarab]

This should be coming In the coming weeks-months I'm guessing?

[worldly swan]

Summer

[vale osprey]

• Identity Update (Weeks)
• New UI (Summer)
• Avatar Dynamics (Summer)
• Groups (This year)
• Creator Economy (This year)
• VRC+ Gifting (Summer)
• VRC+ Oculus (Summer)
• UNU (Weeks)

[worldly swan]

Oooh nice I’m yoinking that

[urban rapids]

Avatar dynamics?

what is that

[worldly swan]

Fizz bones etc.

[urban rapids]

oooo

[worldly swan]

(Fizz bones = physics bones)

[vale osprey]

These times can change though so don't count completely on it but they said it on stream so i trust it

[urban rapids]

so you can punch people?

[worldly swan]

Kinda

[urban rapids]

XD

[vale osprey]

Watch the clips

[worldly swan]

It’s nice though, when they said they were unbanning a load of people and asking them for ideas I didn’t think they would be using so many of their changes

[urban rapids]

they do need to fix the avatar selection thing

[vale osprey]

Only problem I have is the creator economy thing I can see it going real bad and being sketch

[worldly swan]

Wdym?

[urban rapids]

because i cant see the preview of my avatar, and it wont let me see the stats

[worldly swan]

Yeah that’s... not something that should happen this year

I want DMCA stuff fixed first

[vale osprey]

There's so many legal issues with that

[worldly swan]

The launchpad is replacing the menu in your hand, not the bug menu. You’ll still be able to see previews

[frosty veldt]

The main benefit of phys bones is the performance increase. A scene of dynamic bones that takes 5ms only takes 0.45ms with phys bones

[vale osprey]

I guarantee you some people are gonna rip avatars off some game put it into VRC and try selling it

[worldly swan]

Yep

[urban rapids]

yea

i just wanna make a king kong avatar

[vale osprey]

Which leads to so much copyright and licensing issues

[urban rapids]

yea

[worldly swan]

And 18+ restrictions/settings have been requested too

[vale osprey]

Literally 95% of avatars in the game are legit characters from other medias

[frosty scarab]

Wait vrc+ is coming to oculus

[worldly swan]

There was like a whole 5m section in the stream where almost every message in chat had “18+” in it

[worldly swan]

Yep

[urban rapids]

Doom, ark, tf2, etc etc

[frosty scarab]

Like you can get the membership from oculus

[vale osprey]

Yeah they didn't say shit tho

[worldly swan]

Yep

And you can gift it too

[frosty scarab]

Oh so they're accepting memberships later on

[worldly swan]

Which I made sure to point out in the feedback

[frosty scarab]

Guess rr+ is coming soon to quest

[worldly swan]

Oh and they’re redoing the 2FA system too to make it easier to use in VR

[frosty scarab]

Ah

[worldly swan]

It was right near the end of the stream so I didn’t catch what they’re actually doing but that’ll be nice

[frosty scarab]

Ah okay

[vale osprey]

Also im pretty sure if there is gonna be paid for avatars some people will certainly find some way to yoink it without paying

[worldly swan]

Yep

[vale osprey]

I just see so many issues to come with it

[worldly swan]

Yep

[vale osprey]

What would be better is a donation system

[worldly swan]

We need some good moderation around that

[vale osprey]

If you like a creator just donate to em

Thats it

No sub thing or marketplace

[worldly swan]

Yeah I mean I like some of the stuff but not all of it

Nice idea, shouldn’t happen yet

[urban rapids]

i would totally donate to someone making a kong 2020 avatar

[whole prairie]

how do u guys make friends on vrc?!

[worldly swan]

There’s already a big enough issue when vrc isn’t involved in the paying

[vale osprey]

Im all for supporting creators I just don't think we're ready

[vocal shard]

by talking

[urban rapids]

you get the lazer pointer out and point at them and hit friend

[whole prairie]

isn't that mean!!!

[nova tendon]

go up to them, whisper weird shit in their ear, or just give them avatars and be friendly

[urban rapids]

XD

well after you get to know them a little

then you shoot em with the lazers

[vale osprey]

I met some random people my first day and they took me to my first world ever which was a sex dungeon

[frosty scarab]

I'm surprised

[worldly swan]

It’s funny tho cause in vrct the April fools joke was “SDK 4 has been announced, there’ll be inter-person physics, dynamic bones on quest and webcam face tracking” and literally all of that was announced

[nova tendon]

i just kinda ask the 18+ people in the community to be my parents and then they just- d o

[whole prairie]

cursed!!

[frosty scarab]

That means I can hug people and I already know

[whole prairie]

???

[urban rapids]

no one has brought me somewhere cool

[nova tendon]

that udon dungeon thing that got banned?

[urban rapids]

maybe because im intimidating as hell

literaly

[frosty scarab]

When this dynamic thing cones out, imma fucking pat so many people's ears

[urban rapids]

im gonna do the same

[vocal shard]

please do

[urban rapids]

because it is a funny thing to do

[vocal shard]

my ears are fluffy and are meant to be touched

[worldly swan]

There will be a permission system so that people can stop random people doing that btw

[vale osprey]

It got banned? I dont remember the name of the place but it had a lot of kinky shit and vibrators rhat made your controller vibrate

[frosty scarab]

How fluffy we talking?

[whole prairie]

w-

[ivory zealot]

I love the world where you can fly airplanes realistically

[urban rapids]

ooo that ones fun

[nova tendon]

yep my friend took me there and put the collar on me

[worldly swan]

I still need to go on that one

[urban rapids]

wat

[vale osprey]

Yup thats the one

[nova tendon]

Test Pilots is the name of the Jet planes things

[frosty scarab]

Yea

[worldly swan]

Oh and they’re increasing the performance rating for dyn bones

[urban rapids]

Noice

[vale osprey]

@nova tendon You're name makes me think of the Asher avatar

[vocal shard]

I remember someone made a realistic 9/11 world.. but it got refused back then due to allowing players to fly the plane into the actual towers.

[frosty scarab]

Anyone hyped for summer?

[vocal shard]

#vrchat-pictures

[frosty scarab]

Anyone hyped for summer?

[worldly swan]

Yep

[nova tendon]

The one with the muzzle? I have the other version of that uhh ash or whatever

[vale osprey]

For sure specially since quest getting physic bones

[vale osprey]

Yeah has all that big cough

[frosty scarab]

Literally dynamic bones on steroids

[worldly swan]

And the fizz bones are gonna be easier to animate too

[nova tendon]

ig but mine is sfw

[frosty scarab]

Wish I knew about this stuff earlier

[vale osprey]

The avatar collided shit is gonna be quest too right

[urban rapids]

My avatar is just doom slayer

[worldly swan]

Of course

[vale osprey]

Hell yeah

[frosty scarab]

Avi colliders?

[nova tendon]

my vrc dad gave me the ash avatar and he uses the asher avatar, he told me not to leak ash

[ivory zealot]

Yeah you'll be able to touch each other

[worldly swan]

As far as I can tell, the udon physics and fizz bones are virtually the same thing, if you have a push collider on your av it works in the udon too

[vale osprey]

I used to have a room slayer avatar with Annabelle on his shoulder from Animal Crossing

[urban rapids]

nice

[frosty scarab]

As in like rec Room's colliders?

[urban rapids]

i have one that has almost all the slayers weapons

[nova tendon]

that avatar is quest+pc but it's one of those avatars where you have to clone it, show it, and then go out of it to see it so hard not to leak it to my friends

[ivory zealot]

As in you'll be able to touch other people's Dynamic Bones the same way you can touch your own

[worldly swan]

Not quite, in rec room you can’t run through each other iirc, but this’ll just mean if you run through someone their boobs might squish for a moment

[vale osprey]

Yooo were gonna see jiggle physics now

[frosty scarab]

I don't think avis will now have jiggle physics

[nova tendon]

jiggle physics are a nightmare

[worldly swan]

They’ll have jiggle physics

[frosty scarab]

Or will they?

Aw fuck yea

[worldly swan]

But you still have to set it up yourself

[frosty scarab]

Damn.

[vale osprey]

Avatars on pc already have jiggle physics

[vocal shard]

Jiggle physics are MMMMMMM

[ivory zealot]

Yeah I was about to say avatars already have jiggle physics

[nova tendon]

that is real life in one sentence

[frosty scarab]

Anything with boobs or ass will have jiggle physics on pc.

[worldly swan]

The only things they said that they might do by default is like high five and head pats

[vocal shard]

lel

[vale osprey]

Not anything the avatar needs to be set up for it

[ivory zealot]

I don't think they will naturally you will still have to set up the dynamic bones yourself

[frosty scarab]

I don't need colliders on headpats

[frosty scarab]

I was saying that as a joke meaning as in the creators would definitely put some jiggle on that shit.

[worldly swan]

Well there’ll be a collider on the palm by default and one on the head by default so it should just be like one line of code to play a heart animation when someone head pats you

[frosty scarab]

Okay

[urban rapids]

that would be funny

[vale osprey]

I'm excited for the possibilities

[ivory zealot]

They already do LOL

[frosty scarab]

I don't want my hand stuck to someone's head when I pat them

[frosty veldt]

IIRC they said it would change an animator parameter

[nova tendon]

i dont like people touching me

[worldly swan]

No it won’t get stuck, that’s not the way the colliders here work

[urban rapids]

yea

[worldly swan]

You can stop others from jiggling your physics don’t worry

[frosty scarab]

Okay

[vale osprey]

There will be a setting for that I believe

[urban rapids]

eh, if people touch me i wont care

[nova tendon]

so half my avatars are huge so people don't touch me, but i have my personal bubble off or whatever so i can feel peoples hair and stuff

[frosty scarab]

I have phantom Sense, so it feels good getting patted or rubbed.

[ivory zealot]

There already is. If you have personal space toggled people disappear if they get too close to you

[whole prairie]

samee

[frosty scarab]

Uncomfortable for other things...

[nova tendon]

same, so i agree just no ears and no tail

[urban rapids]

i have a sortof sense, i dont feel it i just feel the presence of stuff there

[frosty scarab]

But that's another topic

[vale osprey]

I don't care if people touch me

I don't care if people touch me

[whole prairie]

it feels weird when people touch me.. i don't feel comfortable at all eww

[nova tendon]

the ears/tail literally just feels like my butt and stuff kinda weird

[frosty scarab]

Yeah

[vale osprey]

Some people have phantom touch down there actually I had a gf for awhile that had phantom touch everywhere

[frosty scarab]

Tail is weird

[worldly swan]

https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceBlitheGoldfishKeepo-He_1iNWFFO9R3I4k yep they did indeed say that you should be able to auto replace it, but the system isn’t good enough yet https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceBlitheGoldfishKeepo-He_1iNWFFO9R3I4k

[urban rapids]

i wonder if you had phantom touch and touch like a flaming person would it hurt?

[nova tendon]

y e s.

[frosty scarab]

Yes.

[urban rapids]

mmm, interesting

[vale osprey]

There's someone I know who has phantom pain yeah he starts freaking out anytime someone has a sword or gun around him

[worldly swan]

I have a little phantom touch, but certain areas definitely trigger it more strongly than others

[frosty scarab]

My hand gets warm but kinda uncomfortable

[urban rapids]

i just feel the presence something there

i cant feel it

[nova tendon]

i cant play murder, and i have to hide avatars with knives or other weapons

[frosty scarab]

I can

[vale osprey]

It's crazy how the brain works

[frosty scarab]

Just that I feel pinching

[worldly swan]

Yeah mines a lot more close, if someone draws around me I tend to feel it, or if someone punches a certain area I definitely feel that

[nova tendon]

i mean that knife doesn't feel good depending on where so if I do play i close my eyes before I die

[worldly swan]

But I can play murder fine, I don’t feel anything physical

[vale osprey]

I have no phantom touch

[frosty scarab]

I wonder if anyone here actually fought someone with FBT while having phantom

[worldly swan]

I also couldn’t head but stuff for ages because my brain kept going “nah this is going to hurt” even though it didn’t, but that’s not so much phantom touch

[nova tendon]

i usually am on mute so when people do touch me I don't say anything that would tell them hey this person can feel let me bash them over the head with a bottle and bother them

[worldly swan]

Normally if you kinda do a pushing away action and shake your head people get the picture I think

[cursive robin]

so if i do a gesture do people see it

[frosty scarab]

It's weird cause in any map I go in, people gotta be acting sus

[vale osprey]

Some dont care and keep going

[unreal verge]

I only have phantom touch on my head but that only under some special conditions

[worldly swan]

Well yeah of course but most *decent people get the idea

[vale osprey]

I've met a lot of creepy and weird people before

[urban rapids]

yea

[worldly swan]

Sadly

[urban rapids]

people are just strange

[vale osprey]

I think i met a pedo once

[worldly swan]

Ok yep udon does indeed use the fizz bone colliders to work

[vale osprey]

He was a grown ass man saying he was 12

[urban rapids]

also people are sexist

[urban rapids]

i know someone who sounds like a 40 yearold man

and hes 14

[worldly swan]

Just cut the difference and join the mute gang. Just don’t pretend to be any age and be cute

[vale osprey]

Well it wasn't he sounds like it he actually was super old but was saying he is 12 or around there n he actually believes it

Like something genuinely mentally wrong with him

[worldly swan]

That is a genuine issue, and it’s unfortunately hard to tell whether it’s legit or not

[nova tendon]

yea.

[vale osprey]

He was creeping on sone people in my group that were pretty young

[pale plinth]

All the new world and group features are gonna be awesome.

[worldly swan]

Yeah the groups are gonna be fun, but they need to reword the explanation

At first it sounded like you could only be in one group, but that’s not the case

[nova tendon]

The oldest person I know on vrc is around 25, dating my 20 y/o "mom"

[vale osprey]

Oldest people I know are in there 30s

[urban rapids]

the oldest person i met was 35

[vale osprey]

Actually the first two people I met in VRC

[worldly swan]

I’m pretty sure the oldest I know is like 40/50, but they’re not a creep about it. They’re just there to chill and have fun

[vale osprey]

Y'all ever been to Club Gumball btw?

[nova tendon]

nope

[vale osprey]

My friend made that place

[urban rapids]

Nice

[vale osprey]

Well on quest i think it's called Gumball Lounge

[nova tendon]

first place i went to in vr was shadues and that's where i figured out I was trans in vr such a dissapointment i am 🏌️

[vale osprey]

That place is nice

Good avatars

Not fully my thing but still good

[worldly swan]

First place I went was sky island

Not ashamed to say it

[vale osprey]

First place for me was a sex dungeon

[nova tendon]

the saddest point in my life...waking up this morning

[urban rapids]

first place for me was avatar testing

[nova tendon]

that dungeon is banned i think cus i cant find it

shadues is where I became a mirror dweller mostly

[worldly swan]

I don’t get how people are so obsessed with mirrors

Like sure if there’s one there I’ll probably turn it on but I don’t go hunting for them

[summer plover]

What I'm 44 next month I know 1 or 2 my age

[vale osprey]

I use em only really to look at avatars

[worldly swan]

Same, my home world works just fine for me to test expressions

[vocal shard]

44 wit a anime pfp grow up bro

jkjk

[nova tendon]

im 9874324

[worldly swan]

I’m 111 clearly

[vocal shard]

i dont know my age

[vale osprey]

One thing i think is kinda weird phenomenon how people just hang at mirrors and talk while looking in the mirror but never really look at eachother

[vocal shard]

i stopped counting after 400

[vale osprey]

Like face to face

[worldly swan]

I can kinda understand that but yeah is a little weird sometimes

[summer plover]

@vocal shard. Why I'm out to have fun

[vale osprey]

Im guilty of it too just an observation I've made

[vocal shard]

is was a joke like hahaha

[summer plover]

No problem

[vocal shard]

soooo oooooold

are you actually 40 thats so based

[summer plover]

Yep born in 1977

[vocal shard]

can you read this, grandpa ?
should I write like this for you actually ?

I heard theres gonna be a new quick menu, is that true?

[vale osprey]

Yes

[vocal shard]

can you read this, grandpa ?
should I write like this for you actually ?

[worldly swan]

I think it’s kinda cool that there’s older people in vr

[vocal shard]

is there any previews?

[worldly swan]

Shows it’s not a completely young people thing

[worldly swan]

Allow me to DM

[vocal shard]

why cant you react in this shitty ass server

[worldly swan]

I have many pictures

[vocal shard]

Show me mf

🙌

[vocal shard]

you can, just not in this channel

[vale osprey]

Yeah of course it's an all age thing. VR is a crazy phenomenon anyone can get into

[nova tendon]

kcor is older than my dad 😭

[vocal shard]

oh sorry
you can, just not in this channel

older than my mommy

[nova tendon]

if i had a choice kcor woukd be my dad hes cool

[summer plover]

@worldly swan. Mostly young people

[worldly swan]

Of course,but unfortunately the 9 year olds are the loudest so it’s nice to see older people

[vocal shard]

When you forget people have been hyped for VR for decades and it's tried to start up in the 80s and 90s, but only now is finally accessable to consumers

[vale osprey]

I've had my Quest 2 since the day after Christmas of this year and I've played VRChat mostly only one other game that walking dead one

[nova tendon]

i met a 7 year old and he took me to a private world where he wrote what was on his hw with a marker so i can help him bc nobody could

[vale osprey]

That VR was shit were starting to finally get somewhere now though this ain't some Virtual Boy bs

[vocal shard]

How can you read what people draw in VRChat that shit is impossible lmao

[vocal shard]

I'm talking about the virtuality arcades that had 6dof tracking and motion controls. Not virtual boy, that was a gimmick

[vale osprey]

Oh ok

[worldly swan]

I know that this is the vrc server, but check out EchoVR. Probably the best free game on all of oculus and yes I’m in the vrc general channel

[nova tendon]

idk dude it was math so he just kinda wrote numbers and read the question

[vale osprey]

I've heard of it just haven't checked it out yet been sucked into VRC for the most part and everything

[worldly swan]

Honestly give it a go, even if you just do the turotial and a couple of games

[vale osprey]

I wanna try doing DND in VRC someday some friends in my group wanted to do it before but we actually never got to

[summer plover]

@vocal shard. My first vr was virtual boy by Nintendo

[worldly swan]

You’ll regret it if you don’t imo even if you don’t play it ever again. No other games have 0g controls as good

[vale osprey]

I had a avatar for my character set up n everything

[nova tendon]

you should be my dad ur cool

[vocal shard]

are vrchat places called rooms or lobbies

[vale osprey]

Also another phenomenon I have seen a lot, random people coming together and making weird families

[vocal shard]

thats so cap

[worldly swan]

Yeah there’s a lot of family things

[vocal shard]

no one bought that shit bru

[vale osprey]

I can't talk I've been part of a family too

[summer plover]

Always loved vr

[nova tendon]

yea i do have a vr "family" its just between me and a 20 and 25 y/o the parents obvi

[worldly swan]

I’m not really into that, and I want a stable friend group first (although I’m kinda a hyprocrite around that cause I don’t play enough)

[vocal shard]

i barely play vr rn

[vale osprey]

Yeah I had a family too still kinda do but me and the mom arent together anymore

[vocal shard]

i usually just,,, yk

[worldly swan]

I just okay other games more

[nova tendon]

i didnt rly agree to this they just kinda sucked me into it and said ur my kid now

[vocal shard]

virtual boy is the only console I'm missing from nintendo 👁️

[worldly swan]

I’m a mute so it’s hard for me to make new friends on vrc, but then any friends I do establish stop playing after a while

[karmic harbor]

somebody tried to crash me crashed himself instead again

[vale osprey]

It's weird how it happens

[summer plover]

@vocal shard. I wish I knew what happened to mine

[karmic harbor]

if ya want you can add me

[vale osprey]

I was mute at first

[vocal shard]

never managed to find one that ship in my country and doesn't cost an absurd amount of money

[vale osprey]

I sometimes still do a mute thing but only for fun

[worldly swan]

I’ll probably stop being a mute eventually, but not for a while I imagine

[summer plover]

@vocal shard. Yea there expensive

[worldly swan]

It started in discord calls so it’s not just a VR thing

[vocal shard]

my dog keeps getting into the neighbors yard

[vale osprey]

I use an avatar that's like cute or has actual stuff for mutes and go into a Black Cat or something and entertain people

[vocal shard]

Ahoy.

[summer plover]

Anyway lunch is over back to work

[vocal shard]

My lunch just started.

Enjoy the rest of your shift, @summer plover.

[honest forge]

i got 2 hours until lunch 😭

[worldly swan]

Eu people like

[vocal shard]

Rip.

[worldly swan]

Imagine complaining about 3h till lunch when you could have to wait 21h for lunch

[honest forge]

wish i could pull the ”eventually” card from spongebob and itd be lunch

[nova tendon]

my lunch started

[honest forge]

bruh, id die having to do 21hrs

[white latch]

Really hyped for the menu, it looks so sleek

[vocal shard]

"Such a long time later that the old narrator starved to death and they had to hire a new one."

[honest forge]

the menu looks so much more optimized too. its just those tiny wing buttons

[vocal shard]

And I have not seen anything about how the new UI looks.

[honest forge]

but those wings are also—— really small lol

[worldly swan]

Yeah I hope they make those a little bigger

[worldly swan]

Do you want me to send pics?

[honest forge]

omg you sound like my friends. they all think i have a narrator voice.... and now i have no mic so I guess 🤔 someone else needs to narrate/starve

[vocal shard]

Sure.

[honest forge]

dude, so in my world creation list, there’s a “udon phone” where you can call people/text people from inside the map. but imagine if you could just do that but to people on different worlds lol

[worldly swan]

Omg yesss

[honest forge]

also: flight, and teleport requests. thats also on my todo list, which i think would be so cool

[vocal shard]

Thank you much, @worldly swan.

[worldly swan]

Np

[vocal shard]

Flight is possible with some avatars.

[urban rapids]

yea

[worldly swan]

Yeah flight is kinda possible but scuffed (I need to learn how to do it though, I have some hovering ones in mind) and teleporting would be AWESOME

[gritty moat]

does anybody play on pc?

[vocal shard]

I do.

[gritty moat]

is it bad?

[honest forge]

yea, if you go to some of my worlds. i put in a flight toggle. but its extremely jank because i cant copy minecraft flight if it killed me. but the idea works

[muted geyser]

@vocal shard the public assembly areas tend to be referred to as lobbies. Private areas could be rooms. But clones of either when they reach maximum occupancy are referred to as "instances".

[vocal shard]

I love playing it in Desktop mode and in VR.

[worldly swan]

It’s not the worst on pc, but I can almost garuntee you’ll hit 1h playtime and wish you had VR

[vocal shard]

I mainly do desktop mode.

[honest forge]

i have a public udon graph script for world flight

[gritty moat]

wish i could have a vr

[honest forge]

but as i said: supremo-jank

me too, on the vr

[gritty moat]

how much does a good vr cost?

[vocal shard]

In Among Us I can fly so that I do tasks, but I have to find a random spot that lets me or go up the medbay scanner to initiate it.

The Quest 2 is $299.

[worldly swan]

Well it depends

For someone new to VR the Q2 is a very good choice I believe

[honest forge]

depends on pc, quality, food in the pantry

[worldly swan]

I have the Q1 personally

[vocal shard]

It is a standalone not requiring a beefy computer, but you can use a computer if it is good enough.

[worldly swan]

food in the pantry
Absolutely

[honest forge]

Q2, but be careful on the standalone version

[vocal shard]

?

What do you mean be careful?

[dull thunder]

??

[vocal shard]

Oh, because of crashers?

[worldly swan]

God I don’t chill out enough here, it’s calmed down a lot since I was here last

[honest forge]

what i mean by careful is “children”, if you can get past the children. then quest is good. and also beaware of crashers but mainly children

[dull thunder]

oh i mute them lmao

[urban rapids]

crashers are the worst

[honest forge]

quest handles crashes pretty good imo compared to an actual pc. but that might be by design. maybe it was ment to crash a lot

[worldly swan]

Children are worse than crashers normally imo by virtue of half the time they’re the same thing

[honest forge]

but quest from my view is the best possible thing if you have a pc because of so many reasons. its too hard to list.

[worldly swan]

Quest is also the best thing if you have no pc or a potato like this person

[honest forge]

i agree, children are just.... no thanks
but its sad that people with quests are trapped with so many children. like its unfair and you have pc elitests protesting that all quest should go away

[little basalt]

I need someone to cuddle with 😦

[urban rapids]

children are really annoying

what

[little basalt]

Factss^^^

[vocal shard]

I mean. You encounter children in Desktop mode too.

[worldly swan]

I wish it was easier to crash down on child VR users, and I mean that generally

[vocal shard]

But as I have iterated several times over, children are not the problem. There is just a lot of problematic children.

Big difference.

[worldly swan]

Oculus has a 13+ limit and yet it feels really hard to report them

[honest forge]

oh heck yea. but not as frequently, thank god. but it doesnt matter since most of my content is currently driven by the quest community

[dull thunder]

yeah

[worldly swan]

Oh yeah true there’s nice children

[vocal shard]

I mean. You do not really encounter children less in Desktop mode.

[frosty scarab]

If oculus makes a report system

[little basalt]

I have got a ton of children to leave my lobby by telling them that they are not old enough to play and I'm getting an admin

[worldly swan]

But there’s way to many annoying ones that probably will never learn how to not be an asshole

[vocal shard]

It is the same worlds unless you stick to PC only.

[urban rapids]

thats a good idea

[frosty scarab]

Kids will spam report

[dull thunder]

goated

[frosty scarab]

We're just better off without it rn

[urban rapids]

yea

[honest forge]

@worldly swan exactly! thats why people are now wanting drastic and dangerous changes to fix the issue

[frosty scarab]

Otherwise people will break it

[worldly swan]

There’s already a report system in built to oculus it’s just a pain in the ass to use

[frosty scarab]

And it'll be xbox live all over again

[honest forge]

@little basalt that works?

[worldly swan]

Personally I’d rather take Xbox live with too many reports and eventually ban the kids over the equivalent of fortnite lobbies in any game you play

[honest forge]

god. the fortnite screamers are the most painful

[urban rapids]

NO

[frosty scarab]

Have you seen Rec Room's report system?

[urban rapids]

i hate those

[worldly swan]

No I hate red room with a passion

[frosty scarab]

That shit was sad

[honest forge]

and you cant even block them cus theyre both running irl and in game so theyre moving twice as fast

[worldly swan]

I only go there when my friend drags me overp

[dull thunder]

most children that i find are thirsty 11 year olds simping for a 16 yr old

[frosty scarab]

You get span reported and then banned

[vocal shard]

I do not think I have ever encountered that one, weeb.

[worldly swan]

To me rec room is just the VR version of roblox

[frosty scarab]

I'm 13 but sound 17

[urban rapids]

doom slayer "OmG iS tHaT mAsTeRcHeIf FrOm FoRtNiTe"

[worldly swan]

And I think that explains my stance on both games pretty well

[frosty scarab]

And I'm not wanting to be with that group of squeakers

[dull thunder]

i found 3 last night

[frosty scarab]

I'm passing them to the anime community

[honest forge]

ok, so heres another thing. the children issue wouldnt be this bad if most of them werent so immature and ready to disrespect everyone they see

[worldly swan]

Mostly cause I play echo not vrc it’s just young Americans shouting “dog water” every possible moment, but occiaionally they throw in some variety and use a different insult

[worldly swan]

Yes absolutely

I turn a blind eye to any kids that act sensibly

[frosty scarab]

And parents shouldn't be buying kids vr headsets like that

[urban rapids]

yes

why do people do this

[frosty scarab]

As soon as quest came out

Kids ran to it

[worldly swan]

I like the logic but unfortunately the parents are probably the exact same

[honest forge]

itd be nicer if the children came here and didnt go up to people and yell stuff at them rather than playing the game normally

[frosty scarab]

Thing is

[urban rapids]

yea

[worldly swan]

Ah yes, get the kids to be annoying in discord so we can ban them easier

[frosty scarab]

Joshdub kinda made the situation worse

[dull thunder]

the only time i say dog water is in cod mw when im shitting on the enemy

[urban rapids]

brush Monkeys

its like a cult

[worldly swan]

joshdub literally every streamer ever since the start of fortnite kinda made the situation worse