sorry man i was just wondering
#vrchat-general-2
pseudo kraken
i loaded it up on my pc but it was a bit choppy
so i didnt know if that was just normal or
wind zealot
everything can be overloaded
noble depot
Were you getting 11FPS specifically? o:
wind zealot
did you know? you can make windows 10 NOT laggy
pseudo kraken
nah it was 90fps but then it would go down to like 2 lol
languid mason
sounds pretty normal for vrchat to me lol
languid mason
no problem, there's ways around it but vrchat isn't the best because of all the ugc
pseudo kraken
oh oki
noble depot
kinda depends lol, were they just lagspikes or constant?
languid mason
a public world?
might just be bc of people loading in, they're unavoidable unless you just don't show their avatar by default (at least i get that on my system sometimes)
pseudo kraken
yea it was
vocal shard
did you know? you can make windows 10 **NOT** **laggy**
what you think about using linux then doing a windows vm with gpu passthrough
languid mason
windows vm + gpu passthrough is super neat, i wish i had another gpu to do it with again :-/
wind zealot
ever heard of dualbootin?
pseudo kraken
what do you guys think abt the valve index lol
wind zealot
simple easy and not annoying (unless you're insane enough to update windows 10 afterwards)
noble depot
what do you guys think abt the valve index lol
pretty much the best all-round headset on the market currently lol
languid mason
dualbooting is nice until windows decides to not boot anymore
languid mason
ive had that happen so many times :-/
wind zealot
never had that
noble depot
I'd personally say it's worth it for the features, but yeah the pricetag is hard lol
wind zealot
only windows overwriting the bootloader on updates
languid mason
hopefully with my windows and linu efi partitions separated on two different drives that won't happen anymore lol
it shouldn't overwrite the bootloader (windows is the only one with a boot.efi) but the entire windows installation will just refuse to boot - and repairing windows is a pain
at least in my experience :v repairing a linux installation is much more friendly(?)
ruby burrow
It's one of the issues with VRC that's hard to avoid. In a normal game, it might want you to load a new level or area with 100mb of content. So the game will either give you a quick loading screen, or is able to predict that you'll need that content soon and slowly start loading it over time in advance.
In VR-Chat, a new player or ten, can join your instance at any time. Any or all of those players might have a 1mb avatar or a 300mb avatar, depending on how the uploaders themselves optimised them. There's no way to include a loading screen and no way to prepare that stuff in advance. Your PC simply has to deal with it there and then.
vocal shard
I used to dualboot and somehow a windows update fucked my dualboot
ruby burrow
The result is that your game freezes up, almost as if it were in a loading screen.
vocal shard
only windows overwriting the bootloader on updates
windows is ill
wind zealot
I used to dualboot and somehow a windows update fucked my dualboot
it overwrites the grub bootloader with stendrd windows gayloader
ruby burrow
One way to help reduce unexpected lag spikes, is to auto block any avatar over a certain size, and enable them manually when you meet them.
You'll still get the spike, but it will be when you choose to have it, not whilst your in the middle of something.
vocal shard
Would you rather have avatars with 300K polygons or 300MB each
languid mason
how about avatars that are only 1 mb each, and one polygon each
wind zealot
but when avatar is perf blocked you can only show it fully
languid mason
yes not even a full quad, just a triangle
noble depot
each polygon has it's own material
vocal shard
i had a 8k poly avatar with a drumroll 85k poly bottle
i had to go back and decim it obviously
rain monolith
Hey what’s a good program to use to make avatars?
dusty halo
the social list bugged
wind zealot
Unity? xD
vocal shard
ironically i would say black ops 2 avatar maker. non ironically blender
rain monolith
Ah is unity free to use though I haven’t checked
wind zealot
fallout 4 character maker
vocal shard
pog
rain monolith
I would send a picture of what I’m planning on making but I don’t seem to be able to
languid mason
unity is your option :v
wind zealot
Ah is unity free to use though I haven’t checked
do basic research lmao
languid mason
no need to be mean, they just didnt know
languid mason
never say never, i believe there is unity addons to enable mesh editing in unity hehe
vocal shard
yeah later on
wind zealot
never say never, i believe there is unity addons to enable mesh editing in unity...
he didn't say it tho
vocal shard
yeah but base unity doesnt have it. so blender
wind zealot
and i wasn't mean either
rain monolith
Ok anyway I’m trying to make a cartoony character
honest forge
probuilder but it lets you edit mesh
rain monolith
Alrighty
vocal shard
3ds max pro is becoming ancient but I know some people who still use it
noble depot
Alrighty
For making an avatar model, I'd def recommend Blender - also def check out CATS blender plugin, as it can help automate a lot of stuff (atlassing, Quest decimation, etc) c:
honest forge
yea, isnt there preset skins you can use on blender to mimic autodesk and such
languid mason
yh blender has a "maya" color scheme and an okay-ish "industry standard" keybind set that mimics autodesk programs
also +1 to what zuvali said, thats the actual answer
honest forge
i need to make a new avatar, perferibly execellent status for both quest and pc
vocal shard
why does my status keep updating to 'offline' in-game even though I am on? isn't the first time it has happened since last week
idk if it displays that only to me
honest forge
i think the connection that tells it that your online has been timing out. mine has been removing my status phrase now lol
vocal shard
that happens often too now
vocal shard
i need to make a new avatar, perferibly execellent status for both quest and pc
unless you plan to just make a cube and slap an avatar descriptor excellent is way to high of a goal especially on quest
grave haven
why does my status keep updating to 'offline' in-game even though I am on? isn't...
It's a known bug, they are working on it. https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/status-changed-to-offline
vocal shard
well not so much on PC, settle for good
vocal shard
It's a known bug, they are working on it. https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-repor...
ah I see
languid mason
they're updating the quest limits so hopefully excellent should be more attainable on quest soon
honest forge
ill figure it out. ive been meaning to make an avatar world for 6ish months now but i wanted to have more avatars becore i do so
7000 polies is def managible now
languid mason
5k poly was impossible before for me lol
honest forge
however.... “material slots”
languid mason
material slots shouldnt be a problem if you're atlasing
esp on quest, you only have a handful of shaders available anyway so there's even less reason to have separate materials
honest forge
well im automatically going to have 2 because on quest i would need additive shader for blush and all that, and then the whole body material
languid mason
you don't have blending or transparency on quest though?
honest forge
unless theres a way
languid mason
unless im misunderstanding
honest forge
what do you mean?
noble depot
Quest doesn't support transparency, Z-testing is vv difficult on it
honest forge
quest can handle alpha transparency just fine as long as you dont have a million things behind the alpha
languid mason
yeah transparency is not a thing on the quest version of vrchat, and there's no shaders to support it
(for avatars)
vocal shard
easy way to make a avatar with excellent optimization:
step1 make a screen of ur desired avatar
step2 open unity and put sdk in
step3 put a 3d plane drop ur img on it and add a vrc descriptor
step4 publish it and be ridiculed
honest forge
additive is the equivalent of transparency for avatars
noble depot
should clarify yeah, the Quest version of VRChat doesn't support transparency
honest forge
technically. but not directlly avatars no
you can fake glass on avatars using some weird trick i can’t remember how to do, but you can def use alpha transparency as long as there is nothing behind it
languid mason
sorry i still don't get what you mean
transparency is just flat out unavailable for avatars so im confused lol
vocal shard
i dont get what he means either
yeah I dont think there is any way around it but they might of forgot some obscure effect of creating transparency
there are so many transparent avatars
but idk if on quest
On quest it isnt allowed no
I thought we already clarified
languid mason
transparency on pc is fine, all the quest shaders don't support any blending or transparency so they're just opaque
vocal shard
you could set a animation that hides your object as in avatar??
languid mason
yeah setting yourself invisible is fine, because you're just not rendering anything
honest forge
additive mobile shader for blush or tattoos
languid mason
we're talking about alpha transparency
languid mason
additive mobile shader for blush or tattoos
thats meant for particles
vocal shard
ah. as in this piece of cloth has semi transparency
languid mason
and even then it's also not alpha transparent
languid mason
all the particles i see on quest are also opaque
honest forge
it works
honest forge
to be fair, i dont think that shader is technically safe as a particle shader. but its quest. its all about hoping it works
vocal shard
Im not sure but I think it gave me errors while using the mobile particle shaders in things other than particles
like it wouldnt let me upload at all
honest forge
hmm. i guess thats just for particles
languid mason
yes, thats what the docs state :v
if the shader being until the category "particles" wasn't enough
vocal shard
there is always a way but that probably isn't it
honest forge
you know whatd be cool, if they whitelisted that android distortion shader so you can press into peoples bodies
languid mason
not sure how much it's going to gain you if you can use it, because the additive shader sucks for particles on quest in the first place
ive never seen a good looking particle on there yet 😄
im hoping they whitelist more shaders too
honest forge
probs cus that shader isnt meant for it lol
there is like a line of shaders that were made for android support that id assume would run better on quest than the actual pc version
languid mason
got any errors in the unity log?
vocal shard
I legit just made a cube with an avatar descriptor with that mobile additive in SDK2
new project
languid mason
weird, i don't use sdk2 so i don't think i can help much
honest forge
oh no
vocal shard
interesting so apparently unity really doesnt like avatar descriptors on cubes
thousands of errors on malformed avatar
honest forge
add invisible armature?
noble depot
thousands of errors on malformed avatar
"dear lord what kind of armaturen't is this"
vocal shard
oh what the hell that particle shader thing works
im gonna try going ingame tho just to make sure it actually renders transparent
polar talon
Anyone wanna listen to music on spotify with me?
vocal shard
no but you should listen to this and tell me if you understand a word it says https://open.spotify.com/track/7DTlsMOQjGysXHpwwpHuPl?si=3dc330f4b34f445a
and how it can be so good yet its almost like its in a different language
dim crown
@honest forge i back!
honest forge
did you find the avatar?
dim crown
@honest forge can I send you a link to my server?
yeah my server a russian
i can help you on the tranzleter
honest forge
no, sorry
dim crown
okey(
tired steppe
rancid jewel
vrchat
sick valley
vocal shard
@honest forge the additive thing doesnt work, somehow it gets passed the sdk but ingame the cube that had that shader its just straight up hidden
the other one is still there
honest forge
it should make it invisible, there is no opacity or anything
if you put a cutout image on it, itll have a image instead of a cube with images
unreal verge
Anyone remembers the guy that came here and ranted about mirror sitters? I watched the video he mentioned. It literally contained the opinion of one of thr most infamous crashers from a known gang that exists. He called them NPCs and a failure. Dude the irony. He made it his mission to harass and crash people who don't fit his ideals. Can't get any worse than that.
pearl loom
who's the infamous crasher?
wind zealot
^
pearl loom
Asmodeus' ?
noble depot
def don't call out people here, by the way
pearl loom
why do you rant about mirror dwellers
unreal verge
i rant about mirror dwellers
At least you aren't one of the biggest issues yourself
pearl loom
that's a yikes
vocal shard
yo calm down octo
unreal verge
That dudes opinion is completely invalided due to the fact that he is worse lol
tacit summit
For the oculus quest 2, 64gb or 256gb?
noble depot
People sit in front of mirrors because it helps with immersion and it can be easier to keep track of a conversation (not having to turn your head around as much to look at whoever's talking), among other reasons
I don't personally see a reason for me to do it, but I definitely wouldn't call people a failure or an NPC just for playing the game the way they want lol
pearl loom
mirrors are very useful when you are with a big group. Very hard to pay attention to everyone and to see everyone when talking, but with a mirror you can see everyone. Hence it's a very useful tool.
vocal shard
64 you wont likely need 256
playing a social game without socializing and falling deeper into digital narcisism
pearl loom
you won't need 256 unless you plan to store all of your homework onto your quest for some reason
tacit summit
Perfect thank you @vocal shard
sharp saddle
Poor means it has items outside of the recommended specs for optimization.
vocal shard
tfw you cant talk in circles
unreal verge
Yeah i made my first contact with someone due to a mirror
sharp saddle
Yes.
vocal shard
another cheap excuse to justify mirror dwellism
pearl loom
or it has been ported to quest, every quest avatar is pretty much poor by default
sharp saddle
That's just avatar optimization rank. Yes.
vocal shard
tfw you cant talk in circles
im taking that idea for a world
sharp saddle
Yes, they'll be able to see your avatar.
noble depot
People can see your avatar - the Poor thing is it's avatar optimization rank
there's Excellent, Good, Medium, Poor and Very Poor
pearl loom
I've seen avatars with 60k polygons (pc only) on good and avatars with 12k polygons (quest compatible) on very poor
unreal verge
In the beginning i tried to talk in circles too but always got heavy pain from that
vocal shard
idk man i do that always with buddies
sharp saddle
Very poor is blocked by default but can be adjusted by the user.
vocal shard
it works for up to 12
noble depot
Very poor's blocked by default on Quest, and people can set the minimum avatar performance rank shown on their own - anyone can manually hide or show avatars though
pearl loom
pro gamers optimize the strategy of socializing and use mirrors
vocal shard
we do that on every ocassion
sharp saddle
By default, yes.
vocal shard
but yeah u do u
pearl loom
well you are wrong and you should feel wrong
vocal shard
xd
unreal verge
I get overwhelmed if i can't keep track with what's happening in my surroundings
vocal shard
lmao you have turned into the exact thing you hate
pearl loom
dictating how other people should play the game only makes you look like a dork or a teenager with inflated ego
noble depot
also last thing I'll say on the mirror thing is, i think it's vv heckin' harsh to call someone a failure or an NPC just for wanting to be infront of a virtual mirror lol
like heck, it helps with socialisation and immersion for them, and it's the way they want to play the game
vocal shard
idk man thats still narcisism most of the time hidden under 'oh because this or that'
unreal verge
Also I've heavy social anxiety so i just can't go up to people. My first contact in this game i made by standing in front of a mirror alone and waiting for someone to come up.
sick scroll
bruh imagine getting genuinely angry that people look into mirrors
vocal shard
i get why calling a npc cause most of those ppl dont do social interaction. they just blankly stare in their own reflection
sick scroll
do you have nothing better to do with your life than complain about other people in the vrchat discord,
unreal verge
also last thing I'll say on the mirror thing is, i think it's vv heckin' harsh t...
The dude that said it is a part of a crasher gang so...
noble depot
i get why calling a npc cause most of those ppl dont do social interaction. they...
discord calls
sick scroll
^
pearl loom
sounds like a you problem tbh
vocal shard
Also I've heavy social anxiety so i just can't go up to people. My first contact...
this is kinda sad ngl
pearl loom
if 20k+ people are wrong and you are the only one who plays the game the "right way", then maybe you are the problem
and maybe your opinion isn't very right afterall
vocal shard
discord calls
:|
vocal shard
if 20k+ people are wrong and you are the only one who plays the game the "right ...
number pulled out of ur ass
unreal verge
There is no correct opinion actually
vocal shard
nice try tho.
pearl loom
there's 20k+ people who play vrchat
magic tide
i have a question for all
sick scroll
There is no correct opinion actually
if one opinion harasses people for doing something they enjoy, theres such thing as a wrong opinion
noble depot
40k+ on the weekends actually, though obv not all of them are going to be in front of mirrors at once
unreal verge
People can have what opinion they've as long as they mind their own business
magic tide
what is the biggest avatar in Vrchat?
unreal verge
if one opinion harasses people for doing something they enjoy, theres such thing...
That's not longer an opinion then
vocal shard
what is the biggest avatar in Vrchat?
depends on how large you make it in unity
magic tide
the biggest avatar i have ((currently)) so far is the gipsy
pearl loom
if you wear a big avatar you get your avatar hidden
unreal verge
That's also why I'm very rarely in public worlds. Even if someone speaks to me I've a pretty hard time to actually answer
magic tide
ik that
pearl loom
I don't get why desktop visitors love giant avatars so much
sick scroll
i prefer smaller ones tbh. im always a 0.5 scale wickerbeast
unreal verge
Probs why lots of people enjoy small avatars i guess
vocal shard
and then u worry why ppl talk shit like that bout ppl in front of mirrors
pearl loom
and they are not interesting in the slightest
vocal shard
smh my head
pearl loom
maybe you should pop that ego balloon of yours, because you are floating above the skies, to the point of being so disillusioned by your own beliefs, that you put shade upon other ways to play the game lmao 51vk5
sick scroll
and then u worry why ppl talk shit like that bout ppl in front of mirrors
what are you even going on about? everyone stopped listening to you a long time ago
pearl loom
literally a teenager brain
sick scroll
theyre either a very small child or a very lonely adult with nothing better to do
vocal shard
hey p3t3r u love dropping ur few cents everytime i say something even tho i proved u wrong yesterday. hello
tacit summit
What is the headset cable for the quest 2? Is that the cable we were talking about ?
sick scroll
because you like harassing people
vocal shard
:)
magic tide
I don't get why desktop visitors love giant avatars so much
im a Oculus user not a desktop
vocal shard
pointing out that they were lying yesterday is not herassment
sick scroll
i jsut checked in here to see whats up, and it seems everytime i do youre being a shitty human
pearl loom
Okay oculus visitor
vocal shard
also speaking about antisocial behavior ingame (as is mirror dwelling) aint herassment
sick scroll
also you didnt prove anything, you said someone sent you evidence. that doesnt prove anything lmaooo
vocal shard
but sure. u do u
unreal verge
I don't know if i would have continued playing VRChat if no one would have came up to me to speak to me on the mirror. Probably would have stopped playing again.
magic tide
anyone want to hear a really crappy joke?
sick scroll
also speaking about antisocial behavior ingame (as is mirror dwelling) aint hera...
you called them NPC's LMAOOO
pearl loom
whenever 51vk5 types anything in chat, it's always a crappy joke
vocal shard
trusted mirror dwellers bashing time
magic tide
so today at the bank an old lady asked me to help her check her balance so i pushed her over
sick scroll
like fuck man, just let people enjoy things
vocal shard
no
they aswell could be. they do not want to socialize
they prevent me from enjoying the game so I ain't gonna let them either
sick scroll
how does someone sitting around minding their own business ruin it for you?
pearl loom
They wouldn't want to socialize with you 51vk5, because most people are not interested in socializing with teenagers
sick scroll
small children usually get blocked
vocal shard
red u sh00r bout that?
random bone
E
pearl loom
small children usually get blocked
true
vocal shard
pulling assumptions out of ur ass again
pearl loom
not out of my ass, it's out of your behaviour
vocal shard
how does someone sitting around minding their own business ruin it for you?
they usually have very ugly avatars, making me want to puke
and also use very unoptimised garbage, making me lag
sick scroll
they usually have very ugly avatars, making me want to puke
and also use very un...
k cool, hide the avatar
vocal shard
@sick scroll
unreal verge
Mmh i would be partly a mirror dweller just because of my social anxiety and i literally can't just go up to anyone i don't know and talk to them.
vocal shard
cool story red
noble depot
rule 2 y'all o:
sick scroll
im gonna make the most unoptimized avatar just to make you cry
vocal shard
I'm tired of hiding every single lag machine NPC in every lobby i go to
i wish i was a grown up 20yoldish guy like u
sick scroll
cry harder
sick scroll
reee
vocal shard
ree
hidden echo
Hey I have a quick question: what's the website people use for generating humanoid rigs again?
hidden echo
Thank you!
unreal verge
Well whatever. Can't socialize without someone coming up to me first. Mirrors help a lot with my anxiety.
sick scroll
you nkow what
rain monolith
For making an avatar model, I'd def recommend Blender - also def check out CATS ...
Will do thanks!
sick scroll
im gonna get on today, im gonna stand infront of a mirror in my laggiestt avatar, and laugh at you for crying so hard about it
pearl loom
Well whatever. Can't socialize without someone coming up to me first. Mirrors he...
having a friend with you helps a lot in socializing
pearl loom
being by yourself in a party full of strangers vs having someone you know in a party full of strangers, second one is much easier for you to join the conversations
sick scroll
you probably play among us each time youre in vrchat dont you
vocal shard
i don't care if they sit in front of a mirror and actually speak to people
it's the mute lag machines that bothers me
unreal verge
being by yourself in a party full of strangers vs having someone you know in a p...
Yeah i can't go up to others at all
sick scroll
it's the mute lag machines that bothers me
honestly ive never encountered your problem
pearl loom
what do you call children, teenagers and toxic idiots? "blocked on sight", see you never 
vocal shard
you probably play among us each time youre in vrchat dont you
oh myyy how did u know wanna play together? xd 🤡
and i encounter them all the time
unreal verge
And even if someone comes up to me it's very hard for me
sick scroll
and i encounter them all the time
dont join public lobbies then. oh wait, you dont have enough friends for friends+
vocal shard
I have friends, but they are normal people and not NPC so we go into public lobbies to met new people and talk to them, which is what vrchat is all about in the first place
^
sick scroll
and dont say "oh i have hundreds on my friends list" because most are probably pity friends who thought you were an autistic child that needed some compassion for a few minuted
vocal shard
based svel
but then you have several mute NPC just standing in front of a mirror and doing literally nothing
unreal verge
I have friends, but they are normal people and not NPC so we go into public lobb...
You're lucky you can do it that easily
vocal shard
they don't speak
they don't interact with people
this is going too far
they just sit there and look at the mirror and occasionally look around them for 1 second
sick scroll
mute AND doing nothing? man i cant imagine being angry at people for LITERALLY doingg nothing
wicked oyster
reinstalled, still frozen at loading when first opening the game
cool
vocal shard
mute AND doing nothing? man i cant imagine being angry at people for LITERALLY d...
i already said why it's annoying, not gonna repeat it again
sick scroll
you dont have to repeat it, because youre wrong anyways
pearl loom
this conversation is cringe
gilded spade
peter seems...upset somehow
sick scroll
theres systems put in place to appease children like you, make use of them
vocal shard
there is no wrong or right, everyone have their own opinion
sick scroll
your opinion is wrong
vocal shard
yeah he went extremely toxic quite fast
sick scroll
says the one that causes an issue everytime they open their mouth
unreal verge
yeah he went extremely toxic quite fast
Svel or who? Quite lost track of the conversation.
vocal shard
maybe for you
p3t3
we are expressing an opinion and p3t3r has only directly insulted people
true
as calling us autistic children and such
without any basis on his assumption
can0t have a convo with them, on discord they get angry and in vrchat they are mute in front of a mirror
unreal verge
And my opinions or reasons just got ignored lol
sick scroll
we are expressing an opinion and p3t3r has only directly insulted people
bruh you called them NPC's and then acted like that isnt an insult
vocal shard
and he calls him the grown up in here... smh my head
unreal verge
Nothing
pearl loom
bruh you called them NPC's and then acted like that isnt an insult
relax
sick scroll
and he calls him the grown up in here... smh my head
no, i called you a small child
vocal shard
bruh you called them NPC's and then acted like that isnt an insult
from my perspective, they are an NPC
pearl loom
no need to get so worked up against children
sick scroll
from my perspective, they are an NPC
and from mine youre wrong
vocal shard
seems like svel was just making fun of the general group of people who partake in mirrors while peter was taking personal offense about it and directly attacked svel might be wrong though
when I try to interact with them, i either get ignored or i get a hand wave and that's it
literally an NPC
sick scroll
probably because they dont interact with children
vocal shard
actually no, it's worse
pearl loom
I'm sorry they didn't find you interesting enough to interact with, Svel
vocal shard
no, i called you a small child
u called svel a autistic child
because an NPC in a game would actually say something back
pearl loom
I'm sure you'll make some great friends if you meet more people!
sick scroll
u called svel a autistic child
yes
unreal verge
when I try to interact with them, i either get ignored or i get a hand wave and ...
A hand wave is usually the only thing i manage to answer with :/
vocal shard
bruh smh my head
sick scroll
because an NPC in a game would actually say something back
no one is obligated to interact with you tf lmao
vocal shard
because an NPC in a game would actually say something back
touchee
vocal shard
no one is obligated to interact with you tf lmao
never said they had tho but then they are just a background NPC lagging me, so it's just an annoyance at that point
unreal verge
Not everyone speaks though. There are mutes.
vocal shard
they are statists
sick scroll
never said they had tho but then they are just a background NPC lagging me, so i...
you literally just got done bitching about how they dont interact with you
pearl loom
never said they had tho but then they are just a background NPC lagging me, so i...
safety settings -> shaders off, particles off
vocal shard
safety settings -> shaders off, particles off
no thanks
pearl loom
then it's a you problem
sick scroll
again, theres systems in place to appease you, make use of them
unreal verge
they are statists
Why? There are people which physically can't speak.
vocal shard
then it's a you problem
and it's not the shaders lagging me
vocal shard
it's the ridiculous amount of materials, dynbone and poly count
some muted actually cannot talk but all ive found so far can they just shy af
sick scroll
and it's not the shaders lagging me
safety settings -> hide avatar
vocal shard
oh yeah i translated it properly
pearl loom
learn sign language
vocal shard
its called a dummy.
pearl loom
and you can interact with non lazy mutes
pearl loom
the mutes who don't learn sign language are strange to me
vocal shard
safety settings -> hide avatar
no i block them directly
hiding their avatar will just put a ugly grey robot in place instead
it's still an NPC
vocal shard
I do, already said that
you are the one that started to make this personal and insult me
vocal shard
the mutes who don't learn sign language are strange to me
they should get snail trail thingy from finger to write
sick scroll
now quit bitching about how other people like to enjoy their time
vocal shard
that works
vocal shard
they should get snail trail thingy from finger to write
useless since the shaders are blocked like they suggested to do :)
vocal shard
the mutes who don't learn sign language are strange to me
but like.. not everyone has controllers that can track their fingers in enough ways to communicate proper
vocal shard
now quit bitching about how other people like to enjoy their time
no xd
hey p3t3r calm down m9
sick scroll
I do, already said that
you are the one that started to make this personal and i...
youre literally insulting people becasue they sit there anddo nothing
pearl loom
they should get snail trail thingy from finger to write
sign language is faster
vocal shard
youre literally insulting people becasue they sit there anddo nothing
just called them NPC, and already said why
sick scroll
honestly it must be a sad existence, i pity you
noble depot
but like.. not everyone has controllers that can track their fingers in enough w...
VR ASL doesn't strictly require individual finger movements, though Index ASL is a thing too
vocal shard
i dont know sign language which is yikes
noble depot
your avatar should have fingers in general though, along with gestures to move them
vocal shard
no. how about they get trail marker
unreal verge
I also don't know sign language but my avatars actually have a pen
noble depot
no. how about they get trail marker
IK weirdness can mess with that
vocal shard
Yeah index should work but im saying like quest 2 controllers probably wouldn't have enough different hand signs for the language
pearl loom
they have enough
magic tide
ugh i wish vrchat coders can make quest people see computer people
pearl loom
you can do all signs with basic hand gestures
and many signs have alternative signs for quest users
vocal shard
i started to learn sign language just so i can communicate and understand some of the mutes
sick scroll
ugh i wish vrchat coders can make quest people see computer people
its limitations with the hardware the quest has, not any real way around it
magic tide
:/
halcyon bobcat
i mean using the oculus link will allow that @magic tide , its just oculus has hardware limitations and you will lag lol
noble depot
ugh i wish vrchat coders can make quest people see computer people
That's physically impossible unfortunately, as the Quest runs on Android and PC/PCVR runs on Windows
technically linux and mac too with emulation/proton weirdness but
magic tide
understandable
sick scroll
you just gotta bug the avatar makers to make their avatars quest compatible. its not hard at all to do
but theres such a stigma around quest users that people just ignore that side altogether
magic tide
so anyone exictied for spring break?
vocal shard
misread
pearl loom
the what break?
noble depot
It's kinda like putting a blu-ray into a DVD player - sure it'll fit, but the DVD player has no idea on a way, how or where to read the data on the blu-ray since it's radically different
magic tide
** s p r i n g. b r e a k **
sick scroll
not in school, i dont get any spring break
pearl loom
are you talking something too school for us adults to understand?
magic tide
** f r o m s c h o o l **
halcyon bobcat
i just had spring break 
magic tide
oh wait yall are adults?
magic tide
oh
sick scroll
not everyone here, just a large chunk
magic tide
i have 3 weeks off
pearl loom
3 weeks lmao
sick scroll
we only ever got one lmao
magic tide
im surpised its not one
sick scroll
3 weeks is christmas break
magic tide
ik that
sick scroll
my whole life is a break currently, due to extremely cut hours at work
only 12 hours a week now due to covid
magic tide
oh
vocal shard
whats going on in here
tfw i had to work whole time past year cause im a essential worker smh
lusty rock
vr newbie, can you move fingers in vrchat with the quest 2?
ruby needle
wind zealot
finger tracking is only on index controllers
regal furnace
individual finger tracking only exists on the index
pearl loom
Can you buy index controllers and use them with quest 2 tho?
I've heard of someone using index controllers on non index headset
vocal shard
if they get dongles to connect it tho it should work
with vive base stations so it can track
its prob possible
the reason why they say it works on the vive as it uses the same pairing and base stations
never read much into that. someone probably knows all the ins and outs of that
ya red just got to wait for a response with someone with the knowledge
marble silo
What's the difference between the quest and the rift besides one running off it's owm android and the other running off a pc?
wind zealot
price?
marble silo
I heard you can also use the quest to stream off the pc
noble depot
The Quest 2 has a better resolution screen afaik, and yes you can use a link cable or Virtual Desktop/ALVR to use it as a PCVR headset
vocal shard
according to PCmag, Quest 2 has 1,832 by 1,920 (per eye) and Rift S has 1,440 by 1,280 (per eye)
wicked oyster
god why won't the game LOAD
when it does load it either freezes right there or freezes during login
i even reinstalled the damn game and it STILL isn't working
sudden wasp
Hi everyone, I'm working on a VR Chat documentary, I would love to talk to some of you about why you enjoy the VR experience, if anybody is interested in that please message! Thanks.
finite shoal
@sudden wasp I'm down.
Also, unrelated, but why are the rules here so one sided and half-enforced, particularly unfairly, on anyone who criticizes the devs? Like guys, please don't turn into just a group of yandere devs
It just seems, from a spectator standpoint, that anyone who says good things gets off the hook, Scott free
finite shoal
@wicked oyster I wish I could help, friend!!!
I wish I knew the issue, but my VR setup recently got baked like a potato in a country-style steakhouse so I'm out of commission for a few weeks while I wait for new gear.
If I could try to log on and help figure it out I would, my dude!
Just be careful tho nix. If you ask why the game isn't working, you might get banned by the devs because they don't like hearing the truth that their game doesn't run well.
vocal shard
False.
finite shoal
Big brother is listening, and don't like hearing no smack talk.
wicked oyster
i can't even tell if this is a problem with my client specifically but my internet is working fine and my quest has available space plus i reinstalled the game twice
finite shoal
@wicked oyster yeah, that's an issue on them.
Your hardware is working fine friend
Did you successfully run any other games today?
wicked oyster
lemme check
finite shoal
Also I sent you a friend request, fellow intellectual
topaz valve
according to PCmag, Quest 2 has 1,832 by 1,920 (per eye) and Rift S has 1,440 b...
There's more to it than that, that screen resolution for the Quest 2 is only a pretty close approximation, not a absolute like many other HMDs because it uses a single panel and only uses part of that screen at any given time, meaning very slight variation based on alignment. Which if you need to use the widest IPD, the outer sides of the screen get cut off for you, slightly reducing the resolution.
To say nothing about lenses, how it sits on your face, then the rest of the experience like weight/distribution, no native video in meaning compression artefacts and fixed foveated rendering in the peripheral view to ease that.
wicked oyster
yep gorn opens and runs fine
i don't see anyone else complaining about down servers though
vocal shard
False.
finite shoal
Welcome to motherland, comrade.
modern hill
hihi
finite shoal
Henlo.
vocal shard
i dont think so
finite shoal
Server ded, send elite monkey team to fix
modern hill
AYAYA™️
wind zealot
hello Marsy, Neb, FiftyOne
modern hill
Hihi ru'e
modern hill
lol
finite shoal
If you've never played resident evil 4, I'm sorry.
Stop playing vrc and go play RE4
wind zealot
random fact: did you know that soviet union had a domain - .su
vocal shard
no... i dont think i will
modern hill
lol
finite shoal
Its a significant game to the history of gaming
@wind zealot also, I didn't know that. But it sounds like the one these devs use lol
wind zealot
<@366600564437417986> also, I didn't know that. But it sounds like the one these...
🏓 edit, live with it
wind zealot
modern hill
lel
arctic sequoia
YO boys and girl i got a question because i cant fand any help in the internet so if i want to sit down with my Oculus Rift i cant because there is no keybind how can i sit down then?
vocal shard
the crab cant talk bout history of vg if he didnt play daggerfall commander keen wolfenstein3d or worms2
hom&m2
modern hill
YO boys and girl i got a question because i cant fand any help in the internet s...
wdum?
vocal shard
bruh moment
vocal shard
I don't think anyone cares.
finite shoal
Jesus christ wtf is going on
vocal shard
what do u mean
modern hill
what means wdum im stupid af
wdum = what do you mean
vocal shard
Most used copy pasta on discord
arctic sequoia
ahh thank you
wind zealot
wdum = what do you mean
what do U mean, else it's wdYm =)
vocal shard
also vrc discord ban speedrun attempt
modern hill
can't u just sit down
wind zealot
ahh thank you
i think you gotta like have a supported avatar or smth, don't quote me tho
arctic sequoia
wdum?
i mean so i got my two touch controllers and im in VrChat and normaly on desktop mode i can sit down with C but how to do it with the Oculus Rift?
modern hill
i think you gotta like have a supported avatar or smth, don't quote me tho
lol what
arctic sequoia
i think you gotta like have a supported avatar or smth, don't quote me tho
on desktop it works and i tested it with over 20 avatars
modern hill
i mean so i got my two touch controllers and im in VrChat and normaly on desktop...
you just sit down in real life
wind zealot
i mean so i got my two touch controllers and im in VrChat and normaly on desktop...
that's crouch btw, not sit
arctic sequoia
yea sorry i mean both but idk what the other keybind was again xD
modern hill
if u wanna do the "z" u lay down on ur floor
arctic sequoia
you just sit down in real life
w8 w8 w8 w8 leee me test am i stupid or what the ...
modern hill
or use playspace mover
wild smelt
Stfu
arctic sequoia
or use playspace mover
where can i get it?
modern hill
where can i get it?
"ovr advanced settings" on steam
vocal shard
Caiden mad
arctic sequoia
"ovr advanced settings" on steam
okay wait
arctic sequoia
Caiden mad
big mac
modern hill
you're using steamvr right
wind zealot
if u wanna do the "z" u lay down on ur floor
on most of the mediocre+ avatars that is replaced with a sitting animation
wind zealot
oh god i misread that in my mind xd
modern hill
yep
modern hill
headpats
wind zealot
nuuu i don't like pats
vocal shard
last weekend i spent 30mins headpatting a blessed senko while it was headpatting my holo avatar
modern hill
last weekend i spent 30mins headpatting a blessed senko while it was headpatting...
awwh so cute
arctic sequoia
awwh so cute
i installed and started it now but how to i use it now??
tacit plank
Anyone else got contacted by a secret society member and told to steal credit card numbers? Just wondering
wind zealot
. . .
wind zealot
i installed and started it now but how to i use it now??
just try googling it, should be easy enough
tacit plank
He didn't even promise a very high income, I feel like I can do better legally
vocal shard
no...
just leave the server lmao
he isn't smart enough for that
'how do i click lemao'
arctic sequoia
just try googling it, should be easy enough
the problem is i dont got this "steam" button
wind zealot
wdym
vocal shard
w0t
wind zealot
then look at non-youtube guides
stable folio
Rip more streamer protection but no protection against streamers
tidal blaze
- Some fixes to help work around the SteamVR Overlay "11 FPS" bug hell yeah
tacit plank
"Some fixes to help work around the SteamVR Overlay "11 FPS" bug"
Thank you!
hard burrow
Thank you Tupper for the update, very cool!
vestal pier
some kid in my game has nuisance
lowest rank, below visitor.
umbral reef
some kid in my game has nuisance
Then he has been a shitter for a damn long time and a lot of people blocked, muted and reported him
tribal wadi
i'm having an issue. i play vr chat with oculus rift s, but it seems that when i press the bumpers on my controller, i don't point or make fists or anything any more
vocal shard
Then he has been a shitter for a damn long time and a lot of people blocked, mut...
oof LMAO
tribal wadi
it will still grab, it's just that the animations arent seeming to work
whole ember
Quest users rejoice! You no longer see robot people!
vocal shard
lads need info. how does streamer mode work?
it pretty much shows none of ur info
odd blaze
eeh well they need a fallback avatar , most pc users dont have one, well least they get 'default'
vocal shard
beutifull
clear wind
11fps steam vr bug?????? is this the one that happens when you change your steamvr game resolution and has a really bad frame stutter that requires restart????
vocal shard
thats nice and all but all i can think of is how streamer mode with not recording your own voice can be used to do more one sided report shenanigans on people you dislike
clear wind
because if so then fucking thank you becauise that bug has been a thing for so long and has been unbearable
vocal shard
but that kinda happens rn anyway
tribal wadi
does anyone know how to fix vrchat not doing any hand gestures when i press my bumpers
tame crown
Using a quest
Going on a quest in VRCHAT on a headset better than a 4GB RAM Laptop
hard burrow
11fps steam vr bug?????? is this the one that happens when you change your steam...
No, I think this is the one when you enter the SteamVR overlay.
clear wind
Ugqhqhqwww22wjnw12jw
i think its the same issue
when you open the steamvr menu in game and go back in and its stuttery
whole ember
eeh well they need a fallback avatar , most pc users dont have one, well least t...
Dw it says in the change log that everyone's been assigned a random fallback avatar to start.
rocky thorn
does the polygon count upgrade also apply to worlds or is it just avatars
uncut trail
covert chasm
does the polygon count upgrade also apply to worlds or is it just avatars
Worlds have never had a polygon count limit, just a recommendation.
vocal shard
tupper what was the concurrent user record number
noble depot
does the polygon count upgrade also apply to worlds or is it just avatars
Avatars only, there aren't performance ranks for worlds
covert chasm
tupper what was the concurrent user record number
~42,500
tidal blaze
@clear wind i dont think they really fixed it though
rocky thorn
Worlds have never had a polygon count limit, just a recommendation.
huh, that's weird
warped creek
Dw it says in the change log that everyone's been assigned a random fallback ava...
People who got randomly assigned Toothbrush avatar will not be happy...
ripe hornet
ngl I kinda want the devs to add some sort of
tidal blaze
because they just made it so opening the steamvr overlay would not change the resolution
covert chasm
<@!220903946192027650> i dont think they really fixed it though
Nope, we worked around it
ripe hornet
award or badge for creators who consistently put out well optimized avatars
gleaming kraken
itz go time
rocky thorn
i get salty sometimes when i try to find a certain vrchat world and I can't find it because im on the quest 😛
vocal shard
god fucking damn remember in 2018 tup tup when 25k was huge numbers and it happened for ONE week now thats the fucking norm im still in disbelief, but im so glad, more people means more communities to start over in
gleaming kraken
i am SOO excited for the very poor enforcement
ripe hornet
Sameeee
gleaming kraken
i tried warning so many people that this would happen and to optimize their stuff, and did they listen? no
velvet gull
Nope, we worked around it
Thank god, that issue has been the bane of my existence for so long now
vocal shard
the magic of meeting new people is back again ive been playing more vrc than the past few months cus so many people to meet
gleaming kraken
ill just sit back knowing that i dont have a single very poor quest avatar
rocky thorn
they're enforcing? what does that mean?
tidal blaze
Nope, we worked around it
Has there been any development in fixing the issue at it's core?
covert chasm
Has there been any development in fixing the issue at it's core?
No, because it isn't a VRChat issue, it is a SteamVR issue
tame crown
I wonder, if you were able to fill a world with an unlimited amount of people, on the default avatar. How many people would need to be there for it to crash the servers
ripe hornet
Likely not many
covert chasm
I wonder, if you were able to fill a world with an unlimited amount of people, o...
more than you'd be able to render
vocal shard
maybe its time to finish my quest model
gleaming kraken
they're enforcing? what does that mean?
from what im guessing it seems like i guess they are contacting creators and warning them to optimize their very poor avatars. and if they dont then they will remove the world from the search or something like that.
tame crown
now lets change everyones avatar to "very poor" and give them 4GB of RAM
rocky thorn
could i literally just be a red triangle
ripe hornet
There is no minimum
vocal shard
what a time to be alive, we can jump in the PUG, the pug removed the dumb chairs so no more chair bug, and its optimized enough for 40 people with decent frames
ripe hornet
Yea p much
gleaming kraken
honestly i dont really know how their going about it but im excited none the less
rocky thorn
epic
vocal shard
god not being able to jump in the pug for years pissed me off
noble depot
they're enforcing? what does that mean?
If you have a popular Quest-compatible avatar world which contains bad-performing (Very Poor) Quest avatars, you'd be contacted and asked to either optimize the offending avatars, remove them from the world, or otherwise have your world hidden from the search menu until you do
rocky thorn
i am very sad that the quest doesnt have the full version of the pug west
tame crown
the extinction of rainbow avatars
rancid jewel
new build woohohohohoo
hard burrow
Moved the Full Body Tracking calibration indicators ("tracker balls") to the Player layer, so that mirrors that only show players still show them.
YAY!! Thank god!!!
rocky thorn
If you have a popular Quest-compatible avatar world which contains bad-performin...
so the worlds i've been seeing that have options for both quest and pc avatars will soon have to be available for both?
ripe hornet
On the topic of frames
I seem to only ever get (a constant) 45 FPS in most worlds, even the more popular ones (Ie, black cat). Have I somehow gotten a fps lock or is it just as it is
safe yoke
is it me or is the new build not showing up on steam???
rocky thorn
cuz i've gone to some avatar worlds where i find an avatar that i like but i cant use it because its only for pc
rancid jewel
time to game
noble depot
No, PC-only avatars aren't affected
rocky thorn
rip
tame crown
On the topic of frames
I seem to only ever get (a constant) 45 FPS in most world...
45FPS in the Black Cat is decent tbh if you used the average specs of all pc players
wind zealot
No, because it isn't a VRChat issue, it is a SteamVR issue
can we have link embeds here?
tribal wadi
does anyone know how to fix an issue where your hands work and are tracked just fine but your avatars dont have the point/fist/other animations when you grab and things of the sort? it's very annoying to have my hands with their fingers fully extended 24/7
coral temple
is it me or is the new build not showing up on steam???
same here, was waiting for this update since i saw the initial beta announcement only to be shafted by steam
noble depot
If it's a Quest-only or Quest-compatible avatar and it's Very Poor, the avatar creator'll likely have to optimize it or remove it from the world though
rocky thorn
where do i go to submit bugs?
vocal shard
while theres tons of people here can someone link me a step by step guide complete with which unity versions and addons i need for the quest? i'll slap on a quest basic bitch model real quick
safe yoke
rocky thorn
wait nvm theres the vrchat support thing
ripe hornet
45FPS in the Black Cat is decent tbh if you used the average specs of all pc pla...
I would argue my specs are high end (2080, ryzen 7 2700x, 32gb 3200hz ram)
noble depot
where do i go to submit bugs?
rocky thorn
thanks
vocal shard
while theres tons of people here can someone link me a step by step guide comple...
same unity version and the mobile shaders are already included in the sdk
the 2700x bottle necks you a bit but yeah thats mid-high end
noble depot
while theres tons of people here can someone link me a step by step guide comple...
you need Unity 2018.4.20f1 with Android build support c:
tame crown
I would argue my specs are high end (2080, ryzen 7 2700x, 32gb 3200hz ram)
45FPS in Black Cat with those specs, you've either got VSYNC or there's always badly optimized avatars there
vocal shard
oh yeah and the android build support
my unity doesnt have android build support, i tried to add it, i downloaded the thing, and it didnt get added when i tried to, thats my issue
ripe hornet
the 2700x bottle necks you a bit but yeah thats mid-high end
Was gonna get a 3000 series one (at the time) but ate the cost so i could gift my brother my old MB and CPU for his birthday
rocky thorn
does it matter if I submit a bug report that might already exist
warped creek
does anyone know how to fix an issue where your hands work and are tracked just ...
Check if you haven't locked your gestures in radial menu.
tribal wadi
ty i'll look at that
coral temple
while theres tons of people here can someone link me a step by step guide comple...
enable android player in unity 2018.4.20f (i think thats the version), and use one of the compatible mobile avatar shaders from the vrchat sdk. when uploading dont forget to upload both for quest and windows. sometimes you have to upload for windows twice if you upload to android first
rocky thorn
because my bug might be too specific for me to search
vocal shard
sixy, lets go to dms so we dont flood real quick
i gotta show you the pics, its a weird issue
ripe hornet
45FPS in Black Cat with those specs, you've either got VSYNC or there's always b...
I'll check for vsync. It is consistent so idk? But might be unoptimized avatars anyhow. (I did set it to hide any very poor avis but still)
vocal shard
@coral temple add me real quick you can unadd me after
odd blaze
45 is normal unless you disable asw/motion smoothing but that can lead to jarring fps up/down, (in big world with loads of people/poor that is)
vocal shard
I see, the day of reckoning is here
coral temple
steam is really disliking me right now
cinder elk
- Fixed issue where the instance master could get stuck in stations remotely for late joiners is
is this the seat bug?
vocal shard
sounds like it
cinder elk
the same bug that i argued with ppl in here multiple times who said they never got and that it didn't exist
vocal shard
thats the seat bug IS IT FIXED?
coral temple
45 is normal unless you disable asw/motion smoothing but that can lead to jarrin...
asw runs on the same thread as the game, which can sometimes hurts frames more than it should do with vrchat. disabling it is ideal, easily gain 10fps, sometimes 20fps depending on cpu
warped creek
It's that bug that you could easily observe in any public instance of The Great Pug (or any world with chairs enabled by default).
Yes, supposedly.
vocal shard
i dont like ASW anymore its too jarring i can see every single weird warp and that ruins the experience more than losing 10-20 fps
and its a competetive hindrance in VR FPS
coral temple
i use a tool from github called linktool. it fixes the quest mic via link issue aswell as automatically disabling asw and some components of oculus dash to gain more performance. i usually gain +20fps or so from using it
vocal shard
oculus tray tool doesnt even disable it properly on startup so i always have to manually disable it with the tool
tidal blaze
asw runs on the same thread as the game, which can sometimes hurts frames more t...
i dont think its the same thread at all, its just that it makes the game sync to nearest vsync that it can do its thing.
vocal shard
theres a new oculus tray tool competitor?
covert chasm
i use a tool from github called linktool. it fixes the quest mic via link issue ...
which mic issue? the "stuck in a well" sounding one?
vocal shard
would it work with rift s?
covert chasm
also, mind linking it? that sounds interesting
coral temple
which mic issue? the "stuck in a well" sounding one?
the one where the mic just straight up doesnt work. the tin can can be fixed by going into passthrough mode for 5 seconds
odd blaze
nothing to do with cpu, it tries to keep either 30/40/45/80/90 ect fps , really depends on your vr & gpu
vocal shard
torn between a index or a q uest 2 + fbt setup with my sitmulus check, wireless quest would be pretty sick setup with a 6 gen router, but the audio on the rift S mic and headphones is complete dogshit i feel like id end up buying a wireless mic and headphones, too
tame crown
torn between a index or a q uest 2 + fbt setup with my sitmulus check, wireless ...
index
languid mason
index all the way if you're doing lighthouse anyway
covert chasm
index 100% if you have a PC to run it
tame crown
buying a quest is just digging your own grave
vocal shard
sometimes the ysell used full kits for 800
tame crown
unless you dont have a pc
vocal shard
im definitely gonna get a new HMD though im sick of the rift s and im getting drift
coral temple
my full body is pretty jank. quest 2 with a link cable, using an xbox 360 kinect for my feet, and a gyro for hip
vocal shard
gaben is the same type of money making grubber as suckerberg
anyone else been sidegrading HMDs for years now? i started with CV1, then went to vive, then rift s
my favorite controllers are still CV1 touches
tame crown
if youre gonna get an index search "Is my PC ready for Index" in the steam store
vocal shard
im worried about how the index controllers would fair in fps games
coral temple
my favourite controllers ive used so far are quest 2. super durable and really comfy once you get a knuckle grip for it
forest sapphire
It would be nice if I could pick any Quest avatar as my fallback or at least any good or above one
coral temple
ive used the go touches and the rings feel so fragile im scared to even drop them from 2 ft
vocal shard
quest 2 controllers are the same as the rift s controllers, theyre just as good as the CV1 touch controllers but the ring facing upwards not only gets in the way sometimes, but caused the center of gravity to be worse
cv1's have way better "balance"
oh yeah fun fact if you have a rift s, you can just blatantly buy only a quest or quest 2 HMD and they work with it
languid mason
im worried about how the index controllers would fair in fps games
the only fps game i've tried is alyx, they are as fragile as any other controller you throw into your wall
coral temple
quest 2 controllers are the same as the rift s controllers, theyre just as good ...
q2 and rift s controllers arent the same. rift s uses go style which is more fragile, while quest 2 you can throw across the room and not even scratch (personal experience)
languid mason
joystick is an issue but has been for every controller on the planet, you don't have to worry until you're out of warranty
vocal shard
well theyre the same layout and work with eachother
coral temple
same layout, yeah, but quest 2 last longer and are just build much much better
vocal shard
sixy i figured out my issue
the 20f installer for android components auto picked 16f instead
that was literally all it was lol
coral temple
oh i use unity hub so i never had to deal with the pains of unity being unity
vocal shard
yeah i do too, it picked the wrong unity install
strong stream
is anyone having trouble joining friends where when you go to join they aren't in the world the game says they're in?
coral temple
vrchat taking longer to boot than terraria rn oml
warped creek
is anyone having trouble joining friends where when you go to join they aren't i...
they haven't updated yet to the newest version
strong stream
oh
coral temple
they haven't updated yet to the newest version
or its just vrc thinking theyre online when theyre not
warped creek
that too...
noble depot
A new update just came out, so it's very likely that they/you haven't updated just yet? o:
modern geyser
yo, that SteamVR 11 FPS bug
vocal shard
the update hasnt even hit my steam yet
coral temple
the update hasnt even hit my steam yet
relaunch it
modern geyser
was it by any chance a bug that made everything go super slow whenever you closed your steamvr overlay?
vocal shard
i did
coral temple
rip
vocal shard
yeah its a steamvr issue i honestly doubt any mitigations they have in place since its not really a vrc issue
but it did happen more often in vrc that others so maybe it'll be super rare now
coral temple
also are the quest placeholders only select public avatars, or can it be any avatar with say, medium performance or better?
rocky thorn
anyone see that weird club world that's gotten popular lately
coral temple
anyone see that weird club world that's gotten popular lately
B club?
rocky thorn
yeah
tribal wadi
is there a way to make it so that if your avatar doesn't do extra stuff when you do gestures
rocky thorn
is it new or has it existed for a while?
vocal shard
lol i refuse to go t here because its basically lets just H 2.0 ill leave it at that
coral temple
yeah, it has some big mirrors in it and my friend group has basically migrated from void to B
tribal wadi
like i have a playermodel i like but it spawns props whenever i lay a finger on anything practically
coral temple
is there a way to make it so that if your avatar doesn't do extra stuff when you...
use animations in the expression menu instead of using gestures
vocal shard
ahem mirror people REE
tribal wadi
ty
coral temple
*ahem* mirror people REE
we're all known and trusted so its no big surprise lol
vocal shard
im a legendary user, kneel
coral temple
no
vocal shard
i like to go to the pug because theres less of a chance of people cuddle puddling ina mirror i got sick of that stuff years ago
sharp saddle
Club Booba. 
(don'tkickpls)
rocky thorn
cuddle puddling?
vocal shard
i also like it when people look at eachother when speaking as well
tribal wadi
that didn't seem to fix it
its like, if i just close my hand, it spawns a prop in my hand
vocal shard
after probably hundreds if not over a thousand hours of mirror time i got sick of it
coral temple
i like to go to the pug because theres less of a chance of people cuddle puddlin...
why i drag my friends into the duck feeding worl
rocky thorn
are you talking about the great pug west?
the great pug west on quest is so very tiny
vocal shard
no i dont like interacting with quest users because most are children
and im an alcoholic
oh god i shouldve made a new project instead of switching build project, this was a mistake
rocky thorn
i cant interact with quest users even if I wanted to because none of them chat or they're all weirdly uncomfortable for me
wild wadi
what's the shortcut to return to default avatar?
coral temple
i sacrificed dynamic bones to make my avatars show up for quest users, only for it to be hidden by default because of how poopoo the quest 2 runs
vocal shard
can quest users show my avatar if i only did a PC one
coral temple
no
vocal shard
that another reason ive been lazy about making a quest version
wild wadi
can quest users show my avatar if i only did a PC one
No
coral temple
you have to upload for both android and windows
noble depot
what's the shortcut to return to default avatar?
on a QWERTY layout, press CTRL and \ (slash key above Enter) c:
obtuse flame
Why does my status on my social keep disappearing? it's been like this since Saturday, am i the only one?
rocky thorn
my vrchat status is "what the heck is oatmeal" because im funny
vocal shard
can we delete social status so i stop getting drunk and putting cringe in it
noble depot
what is oatmeal
coral temple
Why does my status on my social keep disappearing? it's been like this since Sat...
ive noticed it too. it shows up for friends still, but not yourself. nothing to worry about, as it still works
i also like it when it says youre offline
vocal shard
Its a random ass weekday a fuckin tuesday, and there's 27k people online
tame crown
dont judge, tuesday is no party day so no one has anything to do
coral temple
man i gotta go spam my friends to tell them to update vrc
obtuse flame
ive noticed it too. it shows up for friends still, but not yourself. nothing to ...
Oh ok like i go on and it's there then travel world and POOf gone. Thanks
rocky thorn
why do random people keep giving me friend requests i dont even remember who they are
obtuse flame
why do random people keep giving me friend requests i dont even remember who the...
ranking up
wild wadi
why do random people keep giving me friend requests i dont even remember who the...
They just want to rank up
rocky thorn
thats how you rank up?
wild wadi
That's part of the process yes
obtuse flame
pretty much
rocky thorn
i dont like that at all
vocal shard
hopefully after this update it doesnt take an hour of exiting vrchat and relogging for it to "stabilize" and let me join new worlds without it bugging out in all the usual ways
obtuse flame
enjoy it lol i only hangout with my group 😆
vocal shard
infinite loading avatars bug i hate it i wanna quickly hop around when scoutting pubs
for the one id ecide to settle in
obtuse flame
It never hurts
coral temple
infinite loading avatars bug i hate it i wanna quickly hop around when scoutting...
dont forget the sound bug
vocal shard
hey at least sometimes the sound comes back
coral temple
love it when you get a lag spike when you calibrate so your audio breaks and when you relaunch it does the forever world load bug 😩
vocal shard
you know whats weird? ive joined other world a fter and that world was fine, rejoined the bugged world its still bugged but a restart fixes it
thats one of the most bizarre bugs ever
world load forever bug or you cant see your own avatar bug or the 5 people are infinitely loading bug or everyones infinitely loading bug ugh
coral temple
best thing is when vrc gets like 2 frames so steamvr does the frame skip thing where it shows 3 frames and makes you super dizzy after a while
vocal shard
i dont mind low frames but when it stutters
oh god kill me stop stuttering every few seconds for 1 frame
coral temple
i can live with 25fps, any lower it gets nauseating
vocal shard
i can go as low as 14
personally, the eye can only see 24fps myth is actually thats around the frames when your brain turns slideshow into motion
coral temple
14 is where i have to start blocking people with poorly optimised avatars if i want to even use my menu
vocal shard
i havent gotten to 14 since 3700x cpu and a 2070 with 32gb ram
unless someones intentionally trying to
coral temple
i get to 14 when people use avatars with like 9k collision checks and 50 materials
vocal shard
one eboy wolf guy in the pug had like 300k poly avatar with 50 materials and stuff i hid his avatar and gained like 8 frames
he, by himself, cost me 8 frames, now i was still at 50-70 frames with him not hidden
coral temple
yeah the 2 egirls and 2 eboys avatars are so common yet so poorly performing it hurts
vocal shard
but no, u lost ur avatar privileges, you do not cost me 8 frames by urself
odd blaze
eh thats not much, often find public ones thats 250+ materials and 600k+ poly
vocal shard
usually its due to the inventory system, but even 1 outfit is still like 100k poly's and 20 materials
on those ones
coral temple
250 materials? HOW
languid mason
i remember hiding two trusted users' avatars and my framerate went from 20 back up to a solid 90 🤔
vocal shard
swappable outfits
coral temple
i cant imagine how long that avatar would take to build
covert chasm
odd blaze
Go to any drinking party on fri/sat and you will find insanely heavy avatars
noble depot
There's nothing physically stopping me from assigning a new material to every polygon
morally though
coral temple
not me having to google what heresy means
covert chasm
the parties I go to require Poor avatars or better and we have 40+ frames with 40 people in the world 
vocal shard
go to drinking night everyones infront of the mirror as well as having those eboy egirl 3408395645689 poly avatars
covert chasm
y'all need better parties
coral temple
the parties I go to require Poor avatars or better and we have 40+ frames with 4...
when i go to the sunday community meetups you have to be in medium or better since theres upwards of 80 people at once
vocal shard
the thing that upsets me the most more than anything is why are they 70-200 MB avatars
Crunch compres YO shITT
tame crown
the thing that upsets me the most more than anything is why are they 70-200 MB a...
200MB is really the limit tbh
vocal shard
for me im alreayd upset if im loading 50MB avatar theres no need
Ive seen 150MB excelent avatars
coral temple
i still have to make a version of my avatar thats excellent performance instead of good
just so i can flex on everyone that i have the best performing avatar
vocal shard
also, im not entirely sure, but everyone using inventory systems might be a vram hog
odd blaze
oh i tend to call out non crunched avatars, had a few friends who didnt know what that was had em fix it -40mb
vocal shard
oh i tend to call out non crunched avatars, had a few friends who didnt know wha...
were their textures 2k or 4k originally?
one person tried to insist that he couldnt use crunch compress because it made the textures suck, yet when i compared non crunch compress to crunch compress of my own models and textures ive made, i couldnt even see the difference
coral temple
the only thing stopping me using my main av in meetups is the dynamic bones >:(
vocal shard
i just gave out on calling out 50+ MB avatars at that point it causes un needed stress on my side
odd blaze
4k but no compression what so ever
vocal shard
i insist, my cartoon anime style model needs 4k textures, trust me bro i need it
frail zephyr
is the friends list borked still?
vocal shard
my custom maid 3d model import absolutely needs this 8k texture
odd blaze
ive done that to speed up testing but usually enable it when im ment to wear it around people
coral temple
my largest avatar is 2.03mb since i freak tf out when my avatar isnt poor or better
vocal shard
trust me bro my koikatsu needs 16k un crunch compress because like, that 1 pixel artifact i saw but was probably a spec of dust on my screen
coral temple
i have a hatred among very poor avs that shall never cease
vocal shard
this booth model i paid 60 bucks for, i paid 60 bucks for this 32k texture, i need it to be un crunch compress or else its wasted dollary doos
odd blaze
Majority of mine are poor, cause of a few bones to many, never poly/material/ect
vocal shard
my custom maid 3d model import absolutely needs this 8k texture
how do you even make a 32k texture in the first place
im only using 2GB of ur vram upgrade ur pc, ur not poor, right?
wrong reply
im exaggerating you really dont
coral temple
Majority of mine are poor, cause of a few bones to many, never poly/material/ect
same, only thing that makes my avs poor performing is dynamic bones
vocal shard
unity IIRC only supports up to 8k anyway
coral temple
but i always upload a quest friendly version that is rated at least medium on pc
if its rated poor i will crunch the poly count down and atlas everything
noble depot
ah yes, nothing like an AI upscaled 128k 12-bit color channel noise texture
I think that'd be nigh uncompressable afaik lmao
vocal shard
you dont understand even though i only ever use this 1 outfit my avatar needs to be able to swap outfits and take up ridiculous amounts of vram for no reason than to sometimes swap and go look at this cool party trick while mirror sitting
odd blaze
Cant change quest fallback if it already have one uploaded to avatar right
coral temple
yeah you cant change fallback if it works on quest
i wish the user icons tab was just called icons
it feels far too big for how little of a purpose it serves ngl
odd blaze
Dont get me started on icons in the ui, its all over :p
coral temple
oh the icons enrage me far more than they should. the image of off from the circle on the name bar by like 4 pixels or something
odd blaze
think i have a comparison how they float around depending on how you add/change favorites ect
They are never in same place
coral temple
aughh yes
vocal shard
i understand all the hub bub around booth models but to this day, ill never, ever understand eboy girl model styles
put some pants on egirls, put a shirt on eboys
coral temple
i understand all the hub bub around booth models but to this day, ill never, eve...
and how no matter what they always have far too many dynamic bone collision checks
vocal shard
i dont have booba so i dont need 4
coral temple
SAME
when i have ears on an av i normally have 4-6 tho
2 for ears, 2-4 for hair depending on how long it is
cyan warren
so
sullen badge
cyan warren
i can finally say there was a low quality vr chat update
coral temple
thats funny, and a little bit cute 😭
my friends call me "tiny, aggressive, and cute" a lot so nothing new 😆
torpid mason
why are my avatars in motorcycle pose on preview atm
coral temple
oh mine still do the wobbly stand where they cant decide where to look
vocal shard
so i noticed there was a list of everyone i ever muted and blocked on the website, it was over 2 thousand i wonder if i ddosed any instances when i hit clear all
tame crown
why are my avatars in motorcycle pose on preview atm
vrum vrum