vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

Yeah a lot kids have the quest because it does not need pc

[lone plume]

Chuu. They living it up lmaoo.

[mint meadow]

a lot of kids ive met have a quest 1

[lone plume]

I won’t be able to see them unless I go to a pc/quest server though huh?

[cosmic shale]

W h a t

[vocal shard]

Yes but all the big game worlds like murder 4 are pc/quest so if you want to play those you are forced to see them

[cosmic shale]

Youngest I’ve seen is 6

[lone plume]

Damn. Cause I wanted to play among us vr lol

[cosmic shale]

Probably best to do it in private if you have the right friend group to do that
You know, one that’s usually all on at the same time, and interested in doing that

[pearl loom]

Avoid black cat

And among us

[lone plume]

I have no friends that have vr lmao

[drifting drum]

hi guys

[shadow moat]

hey

[drifting drum]

how do i get authenticated to upload avatars asap?

[lone plume]

You have to be a trusted user I believe

[cold quiver]

you have to be new user

[drifting drum]

yeah thats what im asking xd how can i become one?

[cold quiver]

?upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[drifting drum]

alright thankyou so much 😄

[lone plume]

I think you can also buy sub and it’ll bring you up to trusted

[drifting drum]

no credit card yet so i guess ill keep playing cx

[lone plume]

Yep. Ez claps

I was having a mic problem with my vive last night. It wasn’t picking up my voice and couldn’t figure out the problem

[woeful hollow]

not me sitting in the toilet stall hungry as hell and on my phone 🦭

[spring compass]

what do the little numbers after peoples name mean?

[torn python]

why does vrchat randomly crash on me lately'

[honest forge]

@spring compass not real accounts

[cosmic shale]

Steam or quest account

[unreal verge]

Or they made it on purpose for some reason

[cosmic shale]

no-

Well

It’s possible but highly unlikely

[spring compass]

eh? how are they playing without a real account

[cosmic shale]

Quest or steam account

[unreal verge]

What. What's stopping someone to add the random numbers/letters to their VRChat account name? I mean people do it all the time if their name got taken.

[cosmic shale]

See above

[bold epoch]

Ive experience worst :/

[unreal verge]

If you use furry avatars you've a high chance of getting insulted in popular worlds

Speaking from experience

[bold epoch]

I have a furry skin and called me gay

in the black cat run

run by hypocrite offended trashed talking male karens showing trans post

[spring compass]

black cat lobbies full of animosity in my experience

lots of toxic whining transphobic children lol

[vocal shard]

anyone here know how to make girl dance

[torn python]

People who judge were raised by bad parents just turn off their voice like i do cause they aren't worth anyones breath

[unreal verge]

I never mute

I only block in this case

[spring compass]

lol

[opaque shard]

So $130 per tracker from HTC's new tracker.
94.99 per tracker from Tundra on Kickstarter.

[tropic tree]

hello

[honest forge]

still a lot of cash but getting better

[tropic tree]

wow

[tiny tree]

anyone know how i can get a sun summon ds3 shader effect ? need it for a ooc

[brittle cape]

look for it online?

[tiny tree]

no idea where id find something like it, but i seen others pull it off before

[brittle cape]

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/silents-cel-shading-shader/3234 i think this would help but idk

[tiny tree]

ill check it out ,cheers

[vocal shard]

hi

anyway i can change some settings to boost my fps?

i have a really crappy pc

[brittle cape]

yes when you are launching vrchat hold shift and then a window will show, switch the quality to low

[vocal shard]

ok lemme restart my game

also

My friend got a valve index!

yo where the heck did mark zuckerberg come from

Can I steal your data?

pls dont

Aw man

Play the game for around 20 or so hours

and make a lot of friends

Oh wait

[unreal verge]

For trusted 20 hours isn't nearly enough

[vocal shard]

I was wrong, I thought you were talking abou user

For trusted user, you have to make an avitar world

(just don't be an online dater please) lol

[honest forge]

for user, its easy to make a world to boost but you can get trusted doing normal things

[unreal verge]

I got trusted after around 700 hours

[vocal shard]

good

Hopefully

Im still new user, and ive played for 25 hours

Yeah, theres a lot of online daters

just block them

they bully kids too

[brittle cape]

how do you check your platime for oculus quest

[unreal verge]

Online daters 🤔

[vocal shard]

Oh ok

[vocal shard]

Online daters what?

What about them?

[unreal verge]

What do you define with this?

[vocal shard]

What do you mean?

[unreal verge]

What are online daters in your opinion

[brittle cape]

if your gonna online date in vrchat at least do it in a private room

[vocal shard]

bad

[unreal verge]

I mean the definition

[brittle cape]

just disgusting

[vocal shard]

Most online relationships only last a day

oh wow, that was deleted

good job vrchat, glad your censoring words like that

so i just hold shift and open vr chat?

[unreal verge]

And what's wrong with sitting in front of a mirror now?

[vocal shard]

Basically they date

and then they do unholy things

[ionic bane]

When are you gonna be able to buy V3 trackers

Wanna get into those

[vocal shard]

Exactly

And online daters harras and bully kids

[vocal shard]

😭

[unreal verge]

You still socialize while looking into a mirror. It makes it easier.

[vocal shard]

Oh no, are you an online dater?

[unreal verge]

I don't date anyone

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[unreal verge]

I'm not interested in relationships be it irl or ingame

[vocal shard]

vrlow or desktoplow?

If you even sound like you haven't gone through puberty

Then you will get harrassed

Ive seen it before

[ionic bane]

Yeah

[vocal shard]

Im old enough to use vrchat

[unreal verge]

17 is fine

[vocal shard]

But some people on there aren't

[ionic bane]

I've seen 11 year olds there

Younger occasionally

[vocal shard]

Or just talk to them normally

[unreal verge]

I mean i also look into mirrors to see the avatar i made for 50 hours

[vocal shard]

I mean if they are being annoying

[honest forge]

if they can read and have commen sence, idrc what they are unless they below 13

[ionic bane]

Nothing you can really do to stop them from playing so you gotta deal with it

[vocal shard]

I just act normal and talk to them normally

BROOO

they can't really change their age lol

[ionic bane]

Yeah that's a good policy

[unreal verge]

I just don't engage with kids. I don't interact with them.

[vocal shard]

vr low or desktop low * in screaming text*

[ionic bane]

I've been there before so I can't Judge them

[vocal shard]

Yeah

Proably joking

[vocal shard]

😐

[spring compass]

is there a way to make where I only see adults

[ionic bane]

Just treating kids normally can have a pretty big impact

[spring compass]

I feel like im babysitting when I log in lol

[unreal verge]

If you play on Desktop then DesktopLow

[vocal shard]

thank you

[vocal shard]

Exactly

[unreal verge]

PC only worlds

[vocal shard]

finally

[ionic bane]

I would've loved that when I was younger

[spring compass]

thank you

[vocal shard]

Is it that big of a problem?

[unreal verge]

Kids usually use Quest therefore they can't access pc worlds

[vocal shard]

Not exactly

I have quest, and I use vd

[torn python]

no one should crash this much on vrc. either SteamVR or Vrc are having some kind of bug cause i have seen a lot of people crashing lately and this is annoying now

[vocal shard]

And I still find kids

[unreal verge]

Kids usually don't have VD. If i say Quest i mean standalone.

[vocal shard]

Yeah, true

Quest vrchat is not that good

Its ok

They aren't spoiled

Quest is cheap man

[unreal verge]

Quest users can be happy i even made my avatar quest compatible. But they can't use it.

[vocal shard]

300 dollars for a decent headset

now, if a kid had a valve index, and they aren't grateful

thats spoiled

how can i get those anime avatars

[ionic bane]

My friend just got a quest so I have to use quest avatars

[vocal shard]

kk

[torn python]

talking about spoiled? there was a 8 year old on the game with a avatar that wore no clothes.

[vocal shard]

don't man, thats a path I wouldn't reccommened going down

Unless you want to

[vocal shard]

Yeah, I once saw some 11 year old join a game with an anime avitar with their top off

I have work to do

Specificly coding work

[ionic bane]

Children being groomed these days

[vocal shard]

anyone recomend vr games that isnt vr chat just incase i get bored

[ionic bane]

You hate to see it

[torn python]

i don't vrchat even cares anymore. i reported that kid but i bet he is still roaming the game

[vocal shard]

Blade and sorcery is good

do you recomend beatsaber i thinking of getting i

[vocal shard]

Its good

ok ill probally get that

theres a new update

[ionic bane]

Boneworks is good if your pc can handle it

[vocal shard]

YES

It is very good

my pc is ryzen 2700 and rx 580 hopefully thats good enough

the bad thing is i only have 10.8 gb left in my pc

I have gtx 1050, and I can run it through ALVR

But, the client on my headset crashes

Its ultimatly alvr being alvr

[unreal verge]

I've to wait for mods to get updated before I can play the new beat saber update

[vocal shard]

especially the soundtrack

[ionic bane]

Yeah

Fun to play from time to time

[vocal shard]

Free some storage man

If you can

it came with 16gb i cna probally delete among us because i dont use that

never will, then all my other games i use daily

16 gb of storage?

[ionic bane]

How

[vocal shard]

Are you running a vm?

whats that

oh lol

[pearl elbow]

uhm

[vocal shard]

Yeah, I diddn't really expect you to know

[pearl elbow]

is anyone else getting a weird bug

[vocal shard]

im on my memory section in task manager and it says aviable 9.5? i remember having 10.8

[pearl elbow]

in vrchat

[vocal shard]

probally that minecraft update i did

[vocal shard]

Its freaking BIOS

BIOS is greedy and uses your pcs memory

how to get rid of bios

[pearl elbow]

thats probably you,

[vocal shard]

You need BIOS lol

oh lol

Its what makes your pcs operating system run

But I would watch some videos

so basiclly like windows

[pearl elbow]

but for me, i can join a world and no one is there

[broken plover]

does "Memory" show up below CPU in task manager? Because that's Ram, not storage then.

[vocal shard]

yes

how to check my storage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osKnDbHibighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osKnDbHibig

Might help

[broken plover]

open file explorer and go to "This PC"

[vocal shard]

Yeah, thats your storage

[broken plover]

then it shows all your storage drives and how much free space they have

[vocal shard]

You can make a partition

But that will just use up more storage on your drive

So I wouldn't

its saying i should end auto desktop thingy should i do that

[dull root]

People send me dms I’m tryna record a YouTube video and need people to appear in it please

[vocal shard]

Use do not disturb

i cant find the thing the youtuber told me to end task on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZARhvw1q4

Ok, try that

[cold quiver]

what? it sounds like he just needs to close some applications running in the background thats taking up memory

[vocal shard]

Perhaps

[torn python]

game crashes more than fortnite

[vocal shard]

Do you have a laptop?

alright

I have to get back to coding, if you need my help, please ask me in dms

im not really good with pc so its hard for me to know what do close or not

[cold quiver]

honestly if you dont know what you're doing just reboot

or close all your active programs and start them back up as they can start to use up more due to memory leaks over time

[vocal shard]

hi does anybody know how to get those anime avatars

i wanted to ask if somone knows any d&d like lobies

/cities

[unreal verge]

Look in avatar worlds

[vocal shard]

yeah what worlds

[vocal shard]

it says i got like 5 different googles what ones do i delete

[cold quiver]

just close chrome normally

[vocal shard]

Don't use chrome lol

Use something else, that won't eat all your ram

[unreal verge]

Idk. Almost every avatar world in the avatar world tab contains anime avatars

[blissful stag]

https://gyazo.com/b54ca42ece6fbb26ca07766bbba2877a how the heck do i fix this

[vocal shard]

can you give me a world 😭

if i end task on google and microsoft edge i will get about 1.5gb more storage

[unreal verge]

Shader error. Assign a shader to the pink materials.

[uncut radish]

bruh my vr chat be tweaking

[vocal shard]

i might do that

[unreal verge]

I don't know. I don't go to avatar worlds as i make my own avatars

[uncut radish]

howww do you make your own i wanna make my own but im not sure how

[vocal shard]

woah cool

[blissful stag]

how?

[unreal verge]

Unity + Blender. There are tutorials for it.

[blissful stag]

1. Unity 2018.4.20f1
2. Latest SDK
3. Poiyomi v5.6 pro (or free) or greater
4. Dynamic Bones
5. Comprehensive reading skills these are the require ments that i have installed

[unreal verge]

Click on the material and then on the drop down thing where it says ShaderError or something like that. Than choose a different one. Try Standard first.

Or choose your Poiyomi shader

[vocal shard]

just closed bing and got 4 more memory dang

[blissful stag]

i have the lastest one

its my first time using this

idk what im doing ;-;

[uncut radish]

ok thank u

[unreal verge]

Shader? It's not exactly the latest one but it should work. I recommend to watch basic unity tutorials. They will go about things like switching shaders on materials.

[blissful stag]

this is only for the avatar im going to use

[vocal shard]

does the rift s have something that plugs into pc or do i need to buy one

[surreal crypt]

the rift s is a wired device so i certainly hope it comes with a cable

though you may want to buy a third-party longer cable anyways

[blissful stag]

https://gyazo.com/6aae9a12c0802cef763e4e80b2b0a1c8 i think im doing this right?

[unreal verge]

Yeah

[blissful stag]

Finally i know how to fix this ;-;

didint need a video just saw the shader thing

[blissful stag]

When you open the Tenryuu scene, it'll (for some reason) create a different material for the Blush material called "morF." Replace the morF material on the body with Blush. I could fix this but I don't feel like going back into blender, and it's something you can fix yourself. Minor inconvenience.
When you import the model, it'll also create a "bodytest" material and replace the current body material with it. Just swap the two like the morF material and it should work fine.
Also, if you have future/old versions of poiyomi and the matcaps don't look right, either turn them off or adjust the values to your liking. I only turned them on for personal reasons.
Outside of that, you should be good to go. I recommend creating a fresh project to not ruin your current project in case it somehow breaks your project filled with 150 avatars.
Enjoy. im getting confused

[finite steppe]

Wait, there is a Rift 2 now?

[west yoke]

Maybe they meant the Quest 2 considering they're talking about buying a third-party longer cable.

[blissful stag]

https://gyazo.com/f2d165c7545554aef472399d5217c390 cant change the body color help?

[vocal shard]

I can’t make a new account it just keeps saying unknown error, I’ve retyped the same info 6 times while refreshing it but no luck

[neon hazel]

does anyone have a avatar with hair physics thats quest comp

[finite steppe]

Quest doesn't support that, also #avatar-search-old.

[thick marlin]

How hard is it to make an avatar Quest compatible

[finite steppe]

You pretty much have to design it for the Quest if you don't want to butcher it via decimation.

[neon hazel]

but theres a world that has a avatar with hair physics

[honest forge]

its probs one of those fancy android shaders that have gravity and mesh distortion

[neon hazel]

mhm

[vocal shard]

how much gb is the vr app for pc

[blissful stag]

https://gyazo.com/bbb54d59f9b1d281b3ce9c3b37080bb2 idk what the hell im doing

[west yoke]

Less than a GB. If considering how large the cache can get, than 20 GB.

[vocal shard]

i searched and it says 427 mb that seems alright

in the task manager it says that i have alot of googles opened but they are disabled

does that still take up my memory when they are disabled

[west yoke]

Are you talking about how much RAM the application uses or how much space on the drive it takes up?

[vocal shard]

RAM

[shrewd topaz]

if you have 16gb thats plenty

[vocal shard]

my pc came with 16gb but i have about 10 free gb

[shrewd topaz]

still perfectly fine

4gb would work

[vocal shard]

oh wow

i can delete among us

[shrewd topaz]

you can

[vocal shard]

because i can just play it on my phone if i get bored

[shrewd topaz]

when your phone has more ram than your laptop
🤔

inb4 asus rog 5 phone with 18gb of ram

[vocal shard]

my pc is a prebuilt and can you tell me if the specs are good enough to run most vr games

[shrewd topaz]

sure

[vocal shard]

ryzen 2700 and a rx 580

[shrewd topaz]

yes

[vocal shard]

ty

im getting first vr headset today so sorry if i asked too much questions

[shrewd topaz]

yeah i'd expect on 1080p medium settings about 50 fps

[vocal shard]

alright

my friend also has a vr headset and he told me to get the rift s was that a good option

[shrewd topaz]

idk headsets

I play on pc

[vocal shard]

oh

[west night]

Russian hardbass mix 4h just yeeeeeeessssswss

[vocal shard]

aliasgamingfim has been typing for like 5 hours

i wonder what he has to say

[pliant epoch]

Rift S has bad audio and Mic issues, very limited IPD range but besides that the Oculus Rift S is a decent VR headset.

[vocal shard]

whats better then

the quest?

[pliant epoch]

Either the Oculus Quest 2 or the Vive cosmos Elite/Valve Index.

[vocal shard]

oh ok

i dont really want a vr headset to like play it hardcore i just want to have fun

[pliant epoch]

I can only recommend the Oculus Rift S if you're willing to spend an additional 200-300 $ USD to fix the issues the Oculus Rift S has.

[surreal crypt]

sorry my brain kept putting 2 instead of s

[vocal shard]

Damn I just got straight up ignored, whatever I figured it out on my own

[umbral reef]

No, they aint allowed at all for any reason in any place

Any place also means private rooms

[surreal crypt]

i mean, isn't a crime unless someone rats on you, but no, they aren't allowed

[umbral reef]

#moderation-reports Gotta have video proof or a photo though
Be sure to include the outputlog also

[umbral reef]

Kinda applies to all laws though
It aint tax fraud unless they notice it

[blissful stag]

some prebuilts are bad beacause they use like crap motherboards and psu and ssds

[umbral reef]

Not sure how him stating the truth about the average prebuild is an opinion 👀

[blissful stag]

its true doe

[shrewd topaz]

*some prebuilts

[blissful stag]

but okay

[shrewd topaz]

usual suspects like dell, cyberpowerpc, etc... sure

[blissful stag]

grammar noob kicking in again

[shrewd topaz]

but nzxt, maingear, and others do a acceptable job

llt did a few videos on them

[pliant epoch]

I can confirm that most prebuilts in the 1k-1.5K and under range use awful motherboards. My prebuilt lasted a year before the motherboard decided to break.

[blissful stag]

nzxt imo does the bset in prebuilts

yeah

https://gyazo.com/0b0a557da54aca418f9a7a02d9ca98ba just look at the price of this junk

rtx 2060 i7 10700f i think

no nvme or m.2 ssd

https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-Computer-Desktop-1000iV2-i7-10700F/dp/B08R81R628/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=gaming+pc&qid=1615478950&sr=8-3

[surreal crypt]

prebuilts are expensive because the seller needs to make a profit

[blissful stag]

yep

[surreal crypt]

you're paying for your own reluctance to make one yourself

a convenience service

[blissful stag]

Thats why its so much better to build it your self and get better parts ;-;

[shrewd topaz]

actually in the current state of the gpu market buying a prebuilt makes much more sense @surreal crypt

[umbral reef]

Gotta pay some teen to put it together, gotta pay for the storage and building costs and profit
So having a 10-20% markup aint strange

[surreal crypt]

tru

[blissful stag]

watch a build tutorial

[pearl violet]

build it urself its really not difficult

[blissful stag]

lol

[umbral reef]

Literal lego
The most hard part of building a PC is getting the money for it and finding what parts to buy

[blissful stag]

yeah

[shrewd topaz]

like literally you cant even find used rx 570s, 1060s, 1660s, or anything for an acceptable price

[finite steppe]

Just a few parts that require decent arm strength.

[blissful stag]

they jacked af

[pearl violet]

yeah so wait for prices to go low

[ancient fable]

hello?

[surreal crypt]

aren't gpus jacked because of bitcoin mining
stupid, you spend more on energy usage than you make from it anyways

[umbral reef]

Not sure what you would need decent arm strength for...
At best the Ram sticks i guess?

[blissful stag]

thats going to take ages beacause of chip production

[shrewd topaz]

@umbral reef the hardest part right now is finding a gpu

[pearl violet]

ram is bad aswell

[blissful stag]

cpu

[pliant epoch]

Building a PC doesn't seem that hard after I went through the process of replacing all that In could on my laptop including bending some power pins due to an incident back into place.

[pearl violet]

because DDR5 is coming soon

[umbral reef]

bitcoins and a global chip shortage.
Combine that with corona and the demand going higher (and with thet scalpers also becoming a thing)

[shrewd topaz]

@surreal crypt Due to a number of factors (mostly related to COVID-19), GPU pricing / availability is currently the worst it's been in years. It is unclear when this shortage will end, but it's likely to take at least a few months, as there are many factors (substrates, SMT components, fabrication, tariffs, mining, logistics, etc.) affecting the situation. Temporary solutions include going for iGPU (10400 or Renoir APU if available), cheap used GPUs (480/570/580/970/1060-6 or older), or forgoing a build until supply eases up and/or new GPUs release (ex. 3050 Ti, 6700, etc.).

so yes, mining, covid, silicon shortage etc...

@blissful stag no, there are plenty of decently priced cpus in stock, like the 10400f

[finite steppe]

The lever on the CPU socket can be tough to pull down on some boards for some people, and also yes RAM can be hard for some people as well. And good luck trying to get the 24-pin power connector out of the motherboard if you aren't that strong.

[blissful stag]

just wait for new release maybe pcie 5.0 ddr5 when those release those 30 series cars will prob be on stock and be not quite worth for a enthusiast

[surreal crypt]

igpu
aren't those literally useless or is there something beyond what my cpu has

[blissful stag]

true

Igpu is prob the most useless thing in a cpu when youre going to buy a gpu ;-;

[shrewd topaz]

@surreal crypt igpus, especially given intel's new lineups, arent good enough for vrchat but they can play titles like csgo at acceptable framerates

[vocal shard]

ok

[shrewd topaz]

they are also handy if your gpu gets borked and u still need to boot into windows

[umbral reef]

You should not be using insane force to get that 24pin connector out...
If you did, you where probally not pulling the small lever and where pulling against the plastic
And the CPU lever in all mobo's i used where totally fine

[finite steppe]

Intel's iGPU's are useful for streaming, they have pretty good video encoders. Better than the encoders on dedicated AMD GPU's actually.

Plus troubleshooting fallback if your dedicated GPU has a problem.

[shrewd topaz]

mhm but the nvidia nvenc encoder is the best

[blissful stag]

facts

[vocal shard]

i need help

[blissful stag]

??

[vocal shard]

why do all the mirrors look white for me

it started when i went to settings then camera then clicked something

[finite steppe]

I plan on building a new PC soon, going to reuse my current GPU and PSU since they are both still doing well. I just need a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM. But I'm also going to invest into an SSD and a new case.

[blissful stag]

quick tip in building pcs for the first time

[shrewd topaz]

if you want advice make a list on pcpartpicker and I can check it

[blissful stag]

you can use your motherboard box as a test bench

[finite steppe]

While my i7 4770 still holds up well, I'm upgrading to an i7 10700, i do a lot of CPU-heavy tasks on the side other than gaming, plus a lot of games i play aren't multithreaded, so they benefit from that higher single-core performance as well.

[shrewd topaz]

but is that worth 2x the price of a 10400f?

for 15%~ more performance

its $280 vs $140

[finite steppe]

For the two extra cores, yes. I plan to do streaming as well, and the extra cores will help with that. Plus productivity stuff.

[vocal shard]

ok

[finite steppe]

I really just want an 8-core part, even if it might be slightly overkill, future-proofing for a little bit, if you can tell by the fact I'm still rocking an i7 4770, i don't upgrade often.

[blissful stag]

gtg sleep BEYYE

[shrewd topaz]

@finite steppe what programs do you use?

[finite steppe]

Blender for one, GPU-accelerated rendering in Cycles doesn't work on my AMD GPU (curse you bad drivers), plus i do a lot of multitasking.

[lunar root]

i wish money didnt exist once you already have a pc and you could upgrade it freeely lol

[finite steppe]

And like i said earlier, occasional live streaming and video rendering.

[lunar root]

i cant get a new mobo and case so im forced to get an i7-3770

it doesnt bottleneck my gpu tho

[broken plover]

I got a ryzen 7 2700 for around 150€ a while back

if gpu prices wouldn't be so damn high rn I could actually play games. I still have an rx560 :/

[finite steppe]

My i7 4770 isn't bottlenecking my RX 570, but the old i7 is bottlenecking in very CPU intensive tasks and single-core heavy games.

[lunar root]

oh i also have an rx 570

and am planning to get an i7 one gen beneath yours

[finite steppe]

I can't hold a constant 60fps in some games because of the CPU bottleneck.

[lunar root]

wdym cpu bottleneck?

it isnt a bottleneck if it's just too weak to run

that's just not being powerful

a bottleneck is when one part stops another from running to it's maximum

[finite steppe]

Yeah, there are a couple games i play that this old i7 can't hold 60fps on, which is annoying for me since one of them i play the most is a competitive PVP game.

[velvet gull]

How are people still shilling out for Intel chips when Ryzen is the best thing to happen since sliced bread?

[broken plover]

If you pair an rx 570 with a better cpu, it can run at 60fps or even more. So It is a bottleneck

[finite steppe]

Ryzen went up in price this generation as tax for taking the performance crown.

Plus you can't even buy one, scalpers.

[velvet gull]

Previous gen is more than enough for gaming.

[broken plover]

before I upgraded to the ryzen 7 2700 I got 40-50 fps in gta v. Now I get 50-60 because of the cpu upgrade (I had an i5 3470 before)

[finite steppe]

But like i said, i use my PC for more than gaming.

[velvet gull]

Then go for an 8c/16t chip?

still half the price and probably beats any intel equivalent

[finite steppe]

That's what I've been saying this whole time lol.

But I'm going with an i7 10700 because I don't want to wait for AMD to come back in stock, only way I'll go that direction is if it just so happens to be in stock when i go to upgrade.

[lunar root]

why are you buying pc parts now, anyway?

so expensive

[finite steppe]

I know Ryzen is better now, but i had a Ryzen 5 1400 for a while, and that left a sour taste in my mouth, it literally gets out performed by this old i7.

It's only GPU prices that are through the roof, everything else is normal.

[velvet gull]

It's 1st gen, no surprises there

[finite steppe]

I'm not getting a new GPU rn because the current state of the market, so that doesn't affect me.

[lunar root]

not really but whatever you say

i7-3770 are about £40 mroe

[velvet gull]

As much as I'd like a 3080, I refuse to pay anything above MSRP, so I'll stick with my 2070S for the time being.

[finite steppe]

Everything on the used market has gone up in price cause the pandemic.

But the exact set of hardware I'm looking at hasn't fluctuated in price barely at all.

Retro game collectors are crying rn as well because of that.

They got hit about as badly as the GPU market.

[lunar root]

OH maybe i can snag original smash bros

might've gone down from when i checked mid-quarantine

[finite steppe]

When i do go to upgrade my GPU, I'm looking for a 3060 Ti, anything more will be complete overkill for the games i plan on playing.

[velvet gull]

I only want it for the VRAM, this platform uses way too much of it.

[lunar root]

i might be getting a job soon :D

i can finally get pc parts with more than pocket money

[velvet gull]

I'm fully expecting to upgrade to a 3080 + 32gb of RAM and still get 20 fps in void club tho

[finite steppe]

I more meant that retro game prices have also inflated like GPU's, so it's the buyers that are crying.

[vocal shard]

I wonder who changed my status to some random discord server

[lunar root]

i know i meant maybe they have gone down by now since i checked

[velvet gull]

Tbh, Im kinda used to the 0 stock of anything, as an early adopter of valve index products.

Lol

[finite steppe]

Extreme VRAM usage isn't a problem for me, Very Poor avatars are blocked by my performance settings because of my current hardware.

[velvet gull]

I'm the opposite, I like to actually see the people I'm talking to, IMO increases immersion, and most of the unoptimized avatars are the best looking ones

[lunar root]

yeah i hate blocking avatars

i block avatars above 105mb size though

does the job and gets me good fps

[vocal shard]

unoptimzied avatars look good because they got fucking 8k textures

[finite steppe]

I doubt my RX 570 would provide playable frames in VR anyways, i play in desktop mode, i don't have a VR headset because all the good budget options are owned by Facebook now.

[vocal shard]

and all these texture maps

[lunar root]

it would

[velvet gull]

Get a used vive

[vocal shard]

vive time for you

[lunar root]

i play with one

[velvet gull]

Ran one with 0 issues on an RX 480

[finite steppe]

Doesn't the Vive have terrible controllers tho?

[velvet gull]

They're not that bad

[vocal shard]

thats the cosmos elite

[lunar root]

ot get a used cv1

[velvet gull]

Gesture controls are easier with vive wands for sure

[finite steppe]

I've been considering a used Vive, but everyone has been telling me it has crappy controllers.

[velvet gull]

But I wanted the finger tracking and ergonomics, so went with the index controllers

[vocal shard]

110 fov but 1080p in each eye lol

[velvet gull]

They're really not that bad.

[lunar root]

cv1 barely has my ipd

i have smol

of 58

[vocal shard]

53?

[unreal verge]

I've to block all avatars from people who aren't my friends

[lunar root]

i think small idk

[finite steppe]

But i mean hey, I've never used VR before, so i haven't developed standards for it yet, so i doubt i would actually even care about the quality of the controllers at first lol.

[velvet gull]

See, I just dont get that, all the power to you, but that just ruins the experience, for me at least

[vocal shard]

Yeah I mean if you like looking at robots sure

[lunar root]

@finite steppe dude i run an rx570 too and can run all avatars at perfect 90fps constantly

[unreal verge]

I said I've too because i can't play the game if i don't do this

[lunar root]

stop blocking avatars

[vocal shard]

I rather have 30fps and see shit than 70 and dont

[lunar root]

it's gonna ruin how you play and not even help with fps

[velvet gull]

Faxxxx

[vocal shard]

well octo has a poop gpu

[lunar root]

750 ti

[unreal verge]

I've 0 fps or more like a pc that crashes if i don't block avatars from non-friends

[lunar root]

from octo

[finite steppe]

I get a locked 90fps in most worlds on desktop mode at 1080p, what resolution are you running at in VR?

[velvet gull]

When you're in an optimized world it's not even noticeable, most of the time 60-75fps full lobbies

[lunar root]

i'm using desktop mode with 1080p two monitors one with a browser open and get 90fps with avatars showing

[vocal shard]

not with a 750ti LMAO

ion how he playes

[finite steppe]

Oh, i was asking for VR performance numbers.

[lunar root]

oh

but i was saying that you dont need to block avatars

[unreal verge]

That's only valid for VR for me though. If i play Desktop mode than i could show avatars

[lunar root]

stop blocking avatars @finite steppe . you can run in desktop mode, which you said you play in, with 90fps locked with all avatars, my pc is bottlenecked and handles it

[finite steppe]

I wouldn't dobut i would have to run it at a lower resolution in VR to hold a steady framerate, since I've never used VR before, i don't know how my body would handle low framerate, but in general I'm pretty resilient against motion sickness.

[vocal shard]

I dont think hes actually blocking everyone just saftey hides non friends

[velvet gull]

VR Performance numbers are finnicky to accurately track, since if you average below a set number, you're locked to a set FPS, in VRC at least. For example, if you join a world and average at 70fps, the game locks you at 60.

[vocal shard]

why does google take up 1778 mb

[velvet gull]

So you could push for more, but the game wont let you.

Varying refresh rates in VR cause motion sickness apparently.

Never had this though.

[lunar root]

you ignoring me D:

[rough pulsar]

with all VR systems the software has safeguards against low framerates that either smooth out the experience, or in the case of SteamVR if 9 frames are missed it gracefully drops you to a "waiting" screen.

[finite steppe]

Oh my God, please stop pinging me people.

That's 4 in a row.

[velvet gull]

lmao

[lunar root]

oh sorry i didnt mean to ping

[vocal shard]

mans overwhelmed

[rough pulsar]

It's how discord's reply system works

[unreal verge]

Yeah I've to live with my limitations until i got a new pc which will take a good while to save up for. Until then I'll only see friends avatars. But that isn't that bad as I'm usually in friends+ anyways and rarely publics.

[velvet gull]

mb dude

[lunar root]

it was 2 in a row

[distant rampart]

Just be careful, and don't go to worlds that have alot of people, if your computer can't handle it.

[lunar root]

will vrchat just crash if my pc cant handle it or will it destroy my pc
?

[velvet gull]

If your pc is a bit lacking or you're getting frame drops then you should probably try using process lasso.

[unreal verge]

Crash

[lunar root]

oh ok

[unreal verge]

You whole pc might also crash.

[distant rampart]

The only time I've seen a pc truly die was way back when the BSOD avatars existed but that was rare.

I've never had issues of complete pc crashing with Vrchat.

Only game crashes.

[velvet gull]

One of the lucky ones.

[unreal verge]

Happened to me already. Usually if i load too much avatars then my pc completely freezes or slows extremely down.

[lunar root]

i honestly doubt that for my pc

[distant rampart]

If my pc does start to tank tho I immediately hit the killswitch on my apps, so that may help.

[lunar root]

i could run it on low fps

[distant rampart]

[lunar root]

but a 750ti then rip

[finite steppe]

Well, it's a combination of personal preference and performance reasons, sudden framerate drops from intense effects get on my nerves, it's also a safe-guard against blatant crasher avatars.

[distant rampart]

Just have it on normal or high, you don't need to manually block each person

Then enable it on people you trust.

[unreal verge]

I would upgrade but then i can also get a new pc because i get into an upgrade loop. I basically have to upgrade everything if i want to upgrade even only one thing.

[distant rampart]

I don't know my compatibility, my Graphics is great, but I do need a better processor I think.

[velvet gull]

Happens when you're using EOL products.

[lunar root]

yeah same. for my cpu i need a new mobo and case and fans

so im just gonna stick with a 3rd gen i7

[unreal verge]

Yeah idk that's what i got told that i would be better off buying a whole new pc than trying to upgrade

[velvet gull]

Why not 4th gen?

[finite steppe]

That's pretty much my situation as well, gotta build a whole new PC to upgrade my CPU, only things i can reuse are my GPU and PSU.

[lunar root]

my socket wont work with it

[rough pulsar]

Blocking animations is the most effective way of both seeing all avatars, but also not seeing all the nauseating and often downright annoying effects some have.

[velvet gull]

What socket is your mobo?

[lunar root]

lga1155

[velvet gull]

oof

[lunar root]

big oof

[unreal verge]

I can only tell which cpu and gpu i have. Everything else idk

[lunar root]

MASSIVE oof

[velvet gull]

You can probably pick up an LGA1151 mobo pretty cheap, the i7 4790k is still a pretty capable CPU, I used it for VR back on my old rig.

[distant rampart]

I did notice VRCHAT seems to be more processor based, getting a 3070 for example may squeeze a bit more out but the processor really helps.

[lunar root]

but my case and fans wont work

[snow nymph]

hihi hows everyone :O

[velvet gull]

wdym

[lunar root]

i might try that

[snow nymph]

awwie i got ignored ;(

[finite steppe]

I'm still rocking an i7 4770 in my rig. But if I'm going to upgrade, I'm going all-out, but not to the point of complete overkill with something like an i9.

[distant rampart]

I want a i9

[lunar root]

i have an upgraded optiplex pc so i need a new case as the mobo is custom built for the case. dell also uses custom fans

[velvet gull]

Too many shintel fanboys

Get a 3600x and be done with it.

[unreal verge]

Urgh i wish i would understand even one single thing

[lunar root]

imma get a ryzen mobo so i can upgrade when i get a new mobo

and, also, then ill be radeon and ryzen

amd

[finite steppe]

I'm actually an AMD guy, as shown by me having a 1st gen Ryzen part for a while, but i switched over to this i7 4770 PC because the CPU is slightly faster.

[distant rampart]

[velvet gull]

Yeah, 1st gen ryzen kinda icky

3rd gen tho

My 3700x tanks anything I throw at it

[unreal verge]

Well I'm going to play some Beat Saber. Bye bye. I don't understand this conversation anyways.

[distant rampart]

👋

[finite steppe]

Pretty much all my previous PC's have been AMD-only.

[velvet gull]

I used to a dirty shintel fanboy as well until my friends showed the glorious bright red light at the end of the tunnel which was Ryzen.

Never looked back

[vocal shard]

hey whats going on in her-

[lunar root]

my rx 570 has a blue light sooo

lol

when i switch cases, i'm gonna miss my optiplex case

[velvet gull]

Tfw no external emoji's so I can't WeirdChamp you

[lunar root]

i LOVE optiplex x010 series cases

[velvet gull]

Whole setup is corsair more or less

[finite steppe]

But I'm switching to Intel + Nvidia this time around because it's better price/performance for my needs. I would go with a 5800X, but like i said, stock issues, and the i7 10700 is cheaper and gives comparable performance with the same amount of cores.

GPU is going to come MUCH later though cause bad market.

[lunar root]

i may be earning money soon soooo

new pc parts?

[velvet gull]

Even for tasks aside from gaming you'd be fine with a 3700x/3800x

[distant rampart]

i7-10700k is nice

I have them

[velvet gull]

Doesn't need to be flashy brand new to be good

[lunar root]

i got my gpu from CEX

a few months ago

[velvet gull]

Snagged my 2070S for £350 on Ebay

[surreal crypt]

cex sounds like a nice place too bad i'm across the pond

[unreal verge]

Nice good luck. I also earn money now but i still not even enough than I've to pay rent lol

[lunar root]

it is great for gameboys and PCs and everything

my dream

[distant rampart]

I got lucky and snagged a 3070, I could've went higher but I considered that not many game utilize that fully atleast for a while.

[velvet gull]

It's nice if you like being charged MSRP for a heavily used product.

[finite steppe]

You got BIG time lucky with that.

[distant rampart]

Didn't want complete overkill, so I snagged the 3070

[velvet gull]

Yessir

Never had a problem with it.

[surreal crypt]

eh, all i know is apparently they sell kinects for the equivalent of $14

[velvet gull]

Kinect tracking is seriously not worth the effort

[lunar root]

it's good but some people hate it idk why

[distant rampart]

Kinect tracking worked, but def recommend actual trackers.

[velvet gull]

Wait for Tundra trackers or stonx and buy those instead.

[surreal crypt]

oh no it's horseshit but better than being confined to desktop

[finite steppe]

Well, i guess I'm gonna have to do some research and compare benchmarks between the i7 10700 and R7 3700X now, from what I've seen so far, they aren't too far apart.

[surreal crypt]

i'm a college student who hasn't worked a job in her life so any form of actual trackers are beyond my means for the forseeable future

[lunar root]

i cant wait to get a cv1 though

[distant rampart]

From my own experience its pretty good i7 10700k wise, but it can randomly spike depending on the worlds, but it usually catches up.

[velvet gull]

What's ya specs? If we got similar idm running some benchmarks for ya.

[lunar root]

would be so cool to play in vr and not have it freeze like on iVRy via usb 2.0

[unreal verge]

I don't want to play VRChat without VR ever again lol. VRChat in VR changed my life literally.

[finite steppe]

I've said it multiple times already but, my current rig is running an i7 4770 and RX 570.

[lunar root]

i may get usb 3.0 and thunderbolt in my pc soon though

[velvet gull]

Take a look at Tundra Trackers or StonX trackers, both upcoming and affordable full body tracking solutions.

[distant rampart]

I feel for that, but half the time I'm too lazy to set it all up LMAO

[lunar root]

stonks trackers? am interested

[distant rampart]

I do need to use it more tho.

[surreal crypt]

tundras are forecast to be like $280 for 3, which isn't amazingly more affordable than vive

never heard of stonks tho

[velvet gull]

Compared to $420 for the new 3.0 trackers, yes, it is affordable.

[surreal crypt]

i was referencing 2.0

[vestal pier]

Stonx is a weird one, uses retroreflectors and a camera with led ring to track

Probs similar to kinect, the fov is poor

[lunar root]

WAHT

NO WAY

Stonx is only £60?

i may be able to get full body

[vestal pier]

Because its a low end solution

[velvet gull]

I mean, they claim to have sub centimetre tracking, which isn't incredible, but will still end up being leaps better than kinect.

[surreal crypt]

these stonx guys have a sense of humor it seems

[vestal pier]

Sure, but beating the kinect isn't particularly difficult hehe

[lunar root]

am in the discord

[surreal crypt]

looks like an evolution of kinect led tracking yeah

[lunar root]

i just joine

[vestal pier]

Its an interesting one for sure im gonna keep an eye out

[velvet gull]

I'm just gonna sell my current 3 2.0 trackers and go for the 3.0's, I NEED that 7.5 hour battery life.

Great for drinking till blackout on a friday night, charging is annoying.

[distant rampart]

I haven't ran into any battery life issues but I do have a trackbelt plus

[vestal pier]

Some caveats with the new trackers. They have less tracking points than the previous version with an overall lower fov

[surreal crypt]

seems the 360 kit for stonx is like, $164
but that's like half of vive so not too bad

[velvet gull]

What was the FOV of the 2.0's?

I tried searching but couldn't find the specs of the 2.0's

[vestal pier]

Off the top of my head 280

Let me check

270

And the 3s are 240

[velvet gull]

Not that big of a downgrade then

Don't see the issue as long as you remove any deadzones

[vestal pier]

Sure

Not super sure why you're going for 3s instead of tundra?

[velvet gull]

Battery life, and I just like the convenience of having an official 1st party product.

Less likely to have issues

[vestal pier]

Whats the tundra battery life slated at

[velvet gull]

Lemme check

[vestal pier]

I thought it was 8ish hrs?

[distant rampart]

mmm chipken numgets

[vestal pier]

I wish

[distant rampart]

I can share

[vestal pier]

I wish...

[umbral reef]

Well better have enough to share with all of us then

[distant rampart]

I'll send over dm

[velvet gull]

They claim double the battery life of current vive trackers, so roughly 7.5-8hrs

[distant rampart]

[velvet gull]

More or less the same as 3.0's

[vestal pier]

I dontnknow the tundras fov either

[velvet gull]

Looks to have less tracking points than the 3.0's even

[vestal pier]

I just bought 2.0s like a week ago because I couldn't be fucked to wait.

Every choice feels like a side step currently

[velvet gull]

^^^

[vestal pier]

Almost everything on the vr market feels that way tbh haha

[velvet gull]

It's for this reason I'm not going to buy an index this far into it's life cycle

[vestal pier]

Same

[velvet gull]

Because I guarantee something gets announced q4 this year or early 2022

[vocal shard]

not many games utilize 11gbs still. on 4k ultra

[vestal pier]

I got an og vive in 2021 because every other option had issues 😎

[velvet gull]

For now, my upscaled vive serves me with 0 issues

Yep, vive gang

[vestal pier]

Seems like were in the same boat lol

Fbt vive, waiting for the next big shift

[distant rampart]

Ye it seems too much overkill past that.

So I settled for less, money isn't a issue but I don't like feeling like I wasted.

[vocal shard]

i mean there is still cyberpunk2077 that runs poorly 1080p ultra on ANY card

but lets disregard this mistake

[velvet gull]

Honestly such a legendary headset, full compatibility (more or less) with any and all steamvr accessories/HMD's, cheap to pick up, and literally indestructible.

[vocal shard]

oh yeah.... and arma3

[velvet gull]

The amount of times I've headbutted furniture and walls in VR is too many to count

[vestal pier]

The controllers though 😬

[ionic bloom]

I spent 5h on my first VRChat world but i cant upload it because of the time you have to wait to upload stuff :(

[distant rampart]

I love hitting my head in vr

[velvet gull]

I ditched the controllers a while back, got me some index controllers

[distant rampart]

I have a htc vive, but I use valve index controllers

Feels decent.

Vive wants were too big for my hands and uncomfortable

[vestal pier]

I cant bring myself to do that, because of rma shit.

Ill just wait

[vocal shard]

upload it like what where? yt recording? what?

[ionic bloom]

upload it on VRChat

[vocal shard]

lucky valves rmas are a godsent

[vocal shard]

a avatar? a world?

oh a world

[velvet gull]

I had to RMA once because I drunkenly slapped the wall with my controller and broke the touch sensor in the thumbstick, valve were happy enough to give me an advance RMA which I got in 2 days.

[ionic bloom]

yes

[vocal shard]

u need to be user

as green rank

[ionic bloom]

:(

[vocal shard]

yikes.png

[ionic bloom]

well i can save it and uplaod it later i guess

[velvet gull]

Go make friends, hop between worlds, favorite avatars, and you'll be user in no time.

[tardy cypress]

cheese

[velvet gull]

Valve RMA is really quick and simple @vestal pier

To be expected when so many people break their shit lol

[vestal pier]

aye but am lazy as shite.

wrong msg to reply too, you get the idea lol

[vocal shard]

yeah. hang out with people in publuc worlds. explore worlds. make friends. if ur newrank (blue) upload avatars. spend time ingame. dont get blocked/reported/kicked/muted/avatar hidden.

[velvet gull]

Ahhh cmon I'm lazy asf as well, they give ya 2 weeks to post it back so you don't even have to do it straight away

[vocal shard]

@ionic bloom

[ionic bloom]

yeah?

[vestal pier]

I just dont want to be dealing with sending hardware back, im not particularly gentle with my stuff so its probs gonna break alot

[velvet gull]

I had the same mindset before I got them, Then I bought them, used them for a few months. One night in a drinking/club world they ran out and I tried using my vive controllers for the rest of the night.

Needless to say, I just logged off for the night

[vocal shard]

fette read what i typed above

[vestal pier]

thats what im scared of 😔

i got fbt recently and playing without it is kinda fucks me up

[velvet gull]

^^^

I refuse to play without FBT anymore

[vestal pier]

im scared that ill get a taste of the future and it will hurt

[velvet gull]

Which is why I NEED those new vive trackers

[vestal pier]

need is a strong word but i admire your enthusiasm 😆

[vocal shard]

when i bought my fbt i instantly bought the trackstraps+

i dont have problems with trackers dying anymire

[velvet gull]

Definitely a NEED, I just don't feel as immersed as I do when in FBT with Index Controllers

[vestal pier]

see i was going too, untill they werent available in the Uk and the only way to get them was like an extra 100 for shipping

re: trackstrap+ ^

[ionic bane]

I require them

[vocal shard]

100pounds shipping?! thats a oof

[velvet gull]

As a lapdancer, I can't use trackstrap+, too much weight on a velcro strap = wobble like a plate of fucking jello @vestal pier

[vocal shard]

there was a netherland vr store i got them for me

[astral tinsel]

Wtf is fbt

[vocal shard]

full body tracking

[velvet gull]

Full body tracking

[ionic bane]

fullbody tracking

yeah

[astral tinsel]

Oh ok I don’t play on vr

[velvet gull]

Np

Forgot reply existed for 2 secs there

[astral tinsel]

Sky bound do you use a client or used to?

[velvet gull]

No, never have, never will

[astral tinsel]

Oh

[vocal shard]

skybound if u edit in a ping @ someone it doesnt ping the person

[velvet gull]

Fuk

[vocal shard]

xd

[vestal pier]

makes sense for dancing, i bought fbt just to look more like a fucking gremlin so, different needs 😉

[ionic bane]

I just want my legs to look normal

[velvet gull]

Another reason for me wanting the 3.0 trackers. They're lighter and smaller = less wobble/jitter

So no more seizing up in the middle of a dance

[vestal pier]

makes sense

literally 1 wk into fbt i broke one of my foot straps, secured that mfer back down with elastic and its way less shaky than the other straps.

all about modifying stuff until it works well ig

[latent widget]

I wish valve would make pucks

[ionic bane]

how many do you need anyway

[velvet gull]

Most secure way to strap them is under shoelaces, unfortunately, I have a cream carpet, which doesn't fare too well with shoes.

[vestal pier]

trackers? 3, or 1.

I dont wanna be wearing shoes when im lounging in bed, so i just use the straps on my feet.

[velvet gull]

^^^

Also find it easier to drunkenly fall over with shoes on.

[ionic bane]

do they come with straps or do I gotta pay for em

[vestal pier]

straps are seperate.

[velvet gull]

And as someone who frequents clubs every weekend... yeah... not a great idea...

[astral tinsel]

What’s the best vr set for vrc

[velvet gull]

Depends on your budget and whether you want FBT or not

[vestal pier]

i dont drink often in vr, i just break my shit by acting like a dumbass

[ionic bane]

yeah

valve index controllers have held together for me long enough

[vestal pier]

the best vr setup right now for the price if you can ignore all the issues is probably the quest 2, its almost literally impossible to compete with its price.

[velvet gull]

Surprisingly have never broken any VR equipment from drinking for 2+ years on here, And I've spilt glasses of drink on my controllers many times.

[vestal pier]

literally the first time i drank in vr i spilled my drink on my controller and dropped it and the casing came up lmao.

[astral tinsel]

I’m never getting the quest

[vestal pier]

it clicked back into place, but damn it scared me

[ionic bane]

why

[velvet gull]

Wrist straps save virtual lives.

[vestal pier]

🙏 for real

[velvet gull]

Remember that like you remember to wear a setbelt lol

[vestal pier]

then it really just depends what direction you want to go. Index is pricey and has some issues but is probably the best you can get right now, outside of that everything gets wishy washy

[velvet gull]

Pick up a used vive, they go for real cheap nowadays, around £250/$300

[vestal pier]

used vive is almost certainly what id reccomend, yeah.

[astral tinsel]

Well I have a pc so I was thinking of getting the rift or rift s

[velvet gull]

Huge upgrade path since it's steamvr lighthouse tracked

[ruby needle]

half of that might be worth a og give

the OG vive is old and outdated

[vestal pier]

rift is unsupported and rift s is soon to be unsupported, if you are considering either you might as well get a quest 2, it does everything those do and better.

and cheaper...

[rough pulsar]

And yet the vive is still a capable HMD

[velvet gull]

^^^

[astral tinsel]

I wanna see pc shaders tho

[ruby needle]

Low fidelity, old tech.

[rough pulsar]

And your point is?

[vestal pier]

quest 2 can plug into a pc and act as a rift.

[velvet gull]

Upscaling?

[ruby needle]

At that mentioned price not woth at all,

[velvet gull]

Sure, it's not index level, but it's more than good.

[rough pulsar]

$300 for a good condition vive is good value

[vestal pier]

250 bucks for a vive? idk i think thats totally worth it.

[ruby needle]

Upscaling changes nothing to the hardware? The low rez, the crappy SDE, the mic which sucks (well, it's useable by in comparrison it sucks), the Wand's that are just awfull.

[vocal shard]

hey mods since ur talking. do u think when bci will be sold commercially will bcichat be a thing?

[rough pulsar]

Yeah idk wtf paul is smoking where a vive that cheap isn't worth it

[velvet gull]

Faxxx

[ruby needle]

@rough pulsar excuse me? Cheap

Not at all for the dated system it is.

[velvet gull]

I mean, if you want zucky stealing your data then all the power to you.

[rough pulsar]

For a FULL VR kit? Yeah that's decent

[velvet gull]

🤷‍♂️

[vestal pier]

I see ur points paul, its old and low fidelity but really at the price its kinda unbeatable considering everything else on the market has issues one direction or another.

vive is a solid baseline for vr, still to this day.

[velvet gull]

Is nobody going to mention the upgradability that steamvr lighthouse tracking has as well?

[rough pulsar]

And has an upgrade route

[velvet gull]

You want index controllers? sure, go for it. Vive trackers? you got it.

[ruby needle]

the upgrade path is a joke in the end you pay more, or you keep old tech as part of the system.

[rough pulsar]

No

that's not true

[ruby needle]

Well, if you say so.

[umbral reef]

TBH the headset itself aint worth 100 bucks by now
But the camera's themself make up that tenfold

[velvet gull]

@vestal pier Oops, think we accidentally started a chat war.

[vestal pier]

its all fineeee

I cant say i agree that using old tech somehow makes you end up paying more, seems like the opposite is true

upgradability as an end user is a huge money saver.

[rough pulsar]

Exactly, it's a cheap entry point to an upgrade path

[ruby needle]

The point of the upgrade path is "you can get new stuff for it" but in the end you'll pay more then just buying a modern system directly OR you will keep older outdated parts within the system

[velvet gull]

Sure, if you end up upgrading to the index components separately, it's more expensive, but it's more the convenience of not having to drop $1k on something instantly, It can be a gradual thing, which some people such as myself prefer to do.

[umbral reef]

Most people wont even upgrade next generation
Only reason the current new headsets are so popular is because of the insane influx of new people comming to VR and being unable to buy the old headsets

[rough pulsar]

The "outdated" parts of the vive that are worth keeping are the LHs and they aren't even really outdated. Even now.

You're just wrong.

[vocal shard]

Yeet

[velvet gull]

My points exactly, the tech in the 2.0's is near identical.

[umbral reef]

Only reason you'd care about the 2.0 instead of the 1.0 is if your playing in a really giant hall

[velvet gull]

Different laser tracking method, that's it.

[ruby needle]

You're wrong if you say 1.0 usd lighhouses are just as great over newer 2.0 ones that'd you'd also get with a warranty if you actually buy a system new

[vocal shard]

Bong

[rough pulsar]

The only extras the 2.0's provide is range and LH number. Which for a lot of people doesn't matter.

[ruby needle]

If you stay with your 1.0 tech, reselling the part's you upgrade individually will also be much worse in value then a set.

So if you get your OG Vive set, add some knuckles, eventually the Index headset it self to add fiedilty, congratz you paid a lot extra

[velvet gull]

Who's to say you have to sell them, keep them. Look at all the people who have their old headsets on display.

[ruby needle]

now you can try selling the wand's and the headset alon (without base stations) or you sell a bundle which means you'll have to buy new ones.

[vocal shard]

Quest 2 is op

[ruby needle]

overall it's not as great value as fans make it to be.

It's a option, but not a great value if you math and go down the path.

[vestal pier]

the q2?

[vocal shard]

Yee

It is op

[velvet gull]

Not necessarily, if anyone else tries doing the same thing (Vive + index controllers), then someone will buy the headset + lighthouses.

I know many many people who run the same setup, vive + index controllers.

It's not an uncommon thing, resell won't be that big of a hassle

[vocal shard]

Quest 2 is supa op

[velvet gull]

Quest 2 supa OP at stealing every last detail from ya.

[vestal pier]

for its price it kinda is unbeatable.

which like... sux...

[ruby needle]

Now comes the math part.
At that point you spned your 300€ of a used vive and 300€ on the controllers
Making the whole system 600€ but you remain the old crappy vive headset as a base.

[velvet gull]

"Crappy" is subjective, in your opinion, it is "crappy"

Doesn't have to be flashy new hardware to be good.

[ruby needle]

You can't deny that it'll be anywhere as nice as current gen tech either

[velvet gull]

This is one of the headsets that more or less kickstarted consumer VR (Aside from the Oculus DK#s ofc)

[velvet gull]

Of course not, but newer headsets aren't perfect either.

[vestal pier]

i think the main issue here is kind of the implication that the hardware loses value upon being purchased, you can re-sell it when you do upgrade with minimal loss; a profit even if youre smart enough.

[velvet gull]

There is no definitively perfect product.

[ruby needle]

The thing is, selling things individual will be much harder, especially if you want to sell the HMD at some poit without the lighthosues.

[umbral reef]

Doubt i can sell my OG vive for 800 bucks

[velvet gull]

The panels on the index aren't great, HMD's constantly breaking, etc etc

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[vestal pier]

we are implying buying cheap now, oclac 😓

[ruby needle]

What's your problem with the INDEX panel's

[umbral reef]

Also no joke, it legit costed 800 bucks when i got mine :'o
First wave within my country so

[vestal pier]

lcd cringe

[velvet gull]

Lack of vibrancy, LCD cringe ^^^

Not to mention from what I saw, terrible blacks

[vocal shard]

Oh, a quest user

I see....

[ruby needle]

In comparrisson images or actually on your head.

[vestal pier]

i was in the camp of "its fine" until i properly tried a vive, the black values are just so niceeee

[velvet gull]

In comparison, I prefer the panels on the viuve, even if it is lower res.

[vocal shard]

Hey man ever heard of a little thing called screen door effect?

[velvet gull]

wait, mb, didnt see the edit

I have tried a friends index for multiple hours numerous times, I have seen the panels personally

[vestal pier]

screen door on the vive is definitely an issue, and the god rays.

[velvet gull]

I don't notice the god rays tbh, the screen door I just forget about like 30 mins in

[umbral reef]

TBH, only reason im still rocking my vive is because it still functions good.
Only thing i get annoyed at is how vague words are compared to any modern headset, past that its eh

[ruby needle]

Then it's a fair opinion. Everyone will be personal there.
I really don't mind them, and it's a massive massive improvement over any VIVE or my own CV1 imo

[umbral reef]

Well the FoV, legit FoV and being able to read, thats the dope stuff

[vestal pier]

the god rays are so fucking annoying, and i can ignore the screen door shit too.

[unreal verge]

Mmh i have an OLED panel in my Quest 1, would actually be curious how much different the black levels are between Quest 1 and 2.

[velvet gull]

Considered upgrading the lenses but don't want to risk damaging the panels.

[vocal shard]

Hey uh

[vestal pier]

well oled panels can have absolute blacks, whereas lcd cannot.

[velvet gull]

Also barrel distortion is a thing which sucks.

[ruby needle]

however, good LCD's aren't that bad, sure still not full black but also not as gray as some make it either

CV1 also has a little grayish view even on black screen

[vestal pier]

totally.

[vocal shard]

coding sorta question, has anyone used WSL 2.0 with linux running and tried the cammond sudo apt repostitorys? because I haven't, and im not sure what it will do

[vestal pier]

bro i make vrchat avatars, sorry

[vocal shard]

Oh, sorry lol

[vestal pier]

You good, just wanted to make a quip.

[unreal verge]

Only time i ever used Linux was for a VPS to run Bots lol

[velvet gull]

Just want a Lighthouse tracked headset, wide fov (minimal screen door), 120hz, OLED panels, High enough res to be able to read things clearly from a distance.

[vocal shard]

Bruh

I got warned for a joke

[velvet gull]

And that doesn't require an organ sale to purchase

[vocal shard]

Im not impersonating someone

[unreal verge]

How do you know you get warned lol

[vestal pier]

same but im fine with the organ sale part.

[vocal shard]

Im not saying im Mark Zuckerberg

Its a joke, bruh

[finite steppe]

You just did.

[vocal shard]

As a joke

[velvet gull]

I mean, I suppose if I don't need it and it fetches a pretty penny....

[finite steppe]

I'll see myself out now...

[vocal shard]

Well, took them long enough

[noble depot]

I also think the Vive's a great option if you want FBT support for later, but don't want to mess with software shenanigans/pay for a full Index set

[vocal shard]

I guess, ill just leave this server

I don't really play vrchat too much anywas

[velvet gull]

Thank you 🙂

[vestal pier]

all im saying as soon as i can plug an aux cord into my brain; its gonna happen 👀

[velvet gull]

Fuck this reality, I'm going full dive

[noble depot]

Then again I'm biased, have been using a Vive for years lmao

[velvet gull]

Something I've thought about, seeing as time is a concept/relative and whatnot, Would it be possible to distort time inside of a full dive reality? So 1 hour IRL = 1 year inside the dive or something?

That'd be fucking cool

[vocal shard]

probsbly not

[umbral reef]

So far we know with our current understanding of the brain, no.

[vestal pier]

I mean if its all running in software, speeding it up compared to real time sounds totally possible.

but then again its a computing problem, and i make vrchat avatars 🙂

[vocal shard]

[velvet gull]

Not good enough, get to work

[unreal verge]

I would like that

[finite steppe]

Just imagine the amount of processing power that would take tho.

[vestal pier]

😰 uhhh ok boss

[vestal pier]

depends, can we run software on the brain?

[umbral reef]

Current theory for it boiled down why we cant.
We would over stimulate the brain to the point where you get the seizure from over stimulating it.

[finite steppe]

Probably not, brains aren't computers. At least, not in a traditional sense.

[velvet gull]

Failsafe?

[vestal pier]

what makes a brain different from a computer? 😄

[finite steppe]

I am by no means qualified to be discussing topics like this though.

[velvet gull]

I mean, @umbral reef makes a fair point, you overload a computer, it crashes

[noble depot]

meate

[vocal shard]

its extremely more complicated and doesnt work like a pc. also we understand just a fraction of the brain i guess

[umbral reef]

easier said then done.
Current systems to prevent seizure are not even failproof or like anything good

[vestal pier]

I mean, if its functions can eventually be mapped theres functionally no difference.

[vocal shard]

idunno. i guess

[unreal verge]

Living in a virtual world would be a dream

[vestal pier]

we about to get into spirituality in a public discord server

[velvet gull]

I mean, we are talking full dive VR, which a ways into the future it seems.

[surreal crypt]

my favorite

[vocal shard]

reject humanity go fulldive

[velvet gull]

I think Gabe Newell is full of it, saying "The Matrix is closer than it seems"

Seems a bit overenthusiastic

[umbral reef]

Well more the fact it takes medication youd inject from your brain from 'overloading' during an seizure

[vestal pier]

hes a business man in that field, why would he not say that 😅

[vocal shard]

BCI - brain computing interfaces. aka fulldive

gaben is working on bci hardware and games

[vestal pier]

so what we really need to do is take medication to slow down perception of time, then we can jack up the timescale in vr 😎

[vocal shard]

listen to his newest interviews

[velvet gull]

I'm aware, but current BCI's are extremely simple/limited in their function outside of medical use.

[ruby needle]

BCI issnt nesseirly full dive

Can also be just control.

[velvet gull]

Is that even possible?

[umbral reef]

That could technically work
As we kinda currently do that, without the full brain jacking thing

[vocal shard]

depending how far they pull it

[vestal pier]

i mean, it could be.

[ruby needle]

What i ment is, you can't aka it as full dive, because it's not that.

[vestal pier]

if i believe in it, it could be.

[ruby needle]

It can be, and has to be part of it, but BCI on it's own is way wider of a thing

[vocal shard]

as gaben stated its easier to make a player do certai n tasks than to make them feel cold or hot. so he is doing something there

[velvet gull]

This is where the subject gets blurry though, time is relative, so techncially speaking, even with something like a medication that'd slow down time, it'd still move faster/slower for others.