#vrchat-general-2

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primal elbow
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Theres definitely already a social segregation to begin with, it will just add more of one to the game

winged verge
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oh really for 15k players?

neat bobcat
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Lmao

fervent gale
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guys them having sponsors is not enough to earn money for the game support the game if you want they're not physically taking it from you

fiery lichen
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Please

vivid umbra
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Monetizing a game with god awful security. Nice. Focus on padding your own pockets while hackers run rampant in your game.

winged verge
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im sure they cant handle 15k players a day lmao

vocal shard
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well children will just put VRChat + on there christmas list and all those parents that are just too dense would get it...

mighty dew
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have you thought about not buying it

slim cape
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bro where did it say you have to buy it LMFAOOOO

shy bloom
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So I can still party, dance, and get drunk with my friends in VRChat, right? Ok. I'm happy then.

proper tendon
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I mean, the devs have been talking about how they need a way to monetize for a while, I get that. But like, we're all familiar with EA, right? "Here's a service to pay for some neat extra features." Can very easily turn into, "The game says it's free but you have to pay to get 90% of it." I think that's what most people are worried about.

lofty basin
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oooooooh boy...

pale stirrup
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@night raptor f

stable trellis
frail quarry
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there's going to be more client users now than ever and the hacking problem will get worse
people who crash you, people who disrupt roleplay operations in worlds by noclipping and messing with map buttons/doors

world owners need a ban feature and the ability to give others the kick power that they themselves have

slim cape
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'hey guys, you can pay 10 dollars a month to customize your nameplates'

'I CAN NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE TO PAY 10 DOLLARS'

winged verge
fervent gale
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i'm losing brain cells i just remembered im talking to vrchat players

stable trellis
normal burrow
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ill pay 10 bucks a month if i can create vr-only public lobbies

knotty light
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So I can still party, dance, and get drunk with my friends in VRChat, right? Ok. I'm happy then.
@shy bloom Yup. You can still have the same experience all the devs and mods have been having for years.

winged verge
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xd

leaden finch
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I mean, the devs have been talking about how they need a way to monetize for a while, I get that. But like, we're all familiar with EA, right? "Here's a service to pay for some neat extra features." Can very easily turn into, "The game says it's free but you have to pay to get 90% of it." I think that's what most people are worried about.
@proper tendon FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

fallow trout
carmine nebula
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I thought they were holding up the game with servers that were funding the game staying afloat

fiery lichen
neat bobcat
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I just hope this isn't bad for the future of VRChat

winged verge
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damn got me

carmine nebula
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What was it, amazon servers?

slim cape
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wait true, can i have VR Only lobbies?

trail gorge
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furry

haughty anvil
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april fools was 7 months ago vrc

steady oyster
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Simple solution its still a free game just dont pay and stop whining

quartz vapor
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we furry

primal elbow
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I just feel sorta bad for the people who came up with the creative way of customizing name plates and got told no, only for them to make you pay for it

hushed hound
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Can't wait for more classism in VRChat.

frail quarry
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yeah that's also a scummy move imo

scenic cosmos
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They said there's more coming, that gave me chills

carmine nebula
pure sparrow
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Remember when they banned that customs nameplate shader

thick tulip
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modders already won

winged verge
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just lower the price to something more affordable or offer a one time payment and I'm pretty sure most would be happy

static vapor
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VRChat Devs are going to use the money to make changes like Adding Advertisments to the game just you watch

slender finch
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Hows about instead of making pay to play, fix your game.
optimization issuses
Optimization fixxes
Network IK
Safety
security
Social structure
Health of users in VR
IP security
Clients
Crashers
Honestly vrchat. you are gonna lose a wave of users doing this. people will move. you are desolating your game at this rate.
honestly in a discord that is ready to move the second you do this.
because it doesnt have the same issues vrchat does.
my advice if you want money, sell the game to a better owner that will run it rather than run it into the ground.
your move vrchat.

frail quarry
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going after people who made shaders to modify nameplates, which was done purely through unity, just to resell the feature back to people

regal jackal
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they could've gone down the path of just allowing to purchase avatars in game so vrc gets a cut and creators get a cut and way more customers

idle elm
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Ya'll need to stop hanging out with jerks if you think some icons are gonna ruin your day 😦 .

knotty light
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I would gladly pay for the game if they promised to code things from scratch and improve security for the end user.

crimson apex
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I do not believe people should be able to pay for increased trust. Everything else is fine

lofty basin
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Can't wait for more classism in VRChat.

robust juniper
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Tupper told me earlier that the trust boost is negligible, but in that case I don't know why it's a thing

rough blade
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These icons give me a sense of pride and accomplishment

hybrid basin
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^^

winged verge
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imagine not getting your ip pulled from using a video player in a public world lmao

granite agate
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VRChat Devs are going to use the money to make changes like Adding Advertisments to the game just you watch
@static vapor Why would they spend money to add Ads? Isn't ads meant to do the exact opposite.. gain them money?

hollow sluice
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@carmine nebula well said

scenic cosmos
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I like how ppl with roles here don't get the point.

neat bobcat
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I remember being told to kill myself for being a trusted user :v

forest orchid
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To all the people saying you don't have to buy it, you're just ignoring the very limited benefits you get for 10 a month. We're not complaining that it's optional.

steady oyster
bronze topaz
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Oh nah... 🥶

vivid umbra
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Literally the whole customizable name plates was a thing already through unity shit, they removed it and are now hiding it behind a paywall. Hopefully all the moneythey make from the chumps who give them money will go to fixing their God awful security issues.

magic osprey
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Someone else said it earlier, I want to echo a point. If any part of this (support or not) in THIS way, happens? We're looking at major problems with any trademarked or copyrighted content in the game, possibly being banned, taken down or otherwise, as it would be making PROFIT off of these things, rather than free (fair use). I fully agree with this. I mean, We've SEEN this on youtube, twitch, and other sites. Things getting locked down for images, videos, likeness, and even music, once payment, monitization and other favors came into play.

static vapor
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Yes The will Use out money we give them to make more money

quartz vapor
static vapor
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Idk, It was mostly a Joke

thick tulip
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"vrc+ give us your food money during a pandemic"

quartz vapor
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fuck

mighty dew
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when you realize most people complaining about avatar slots are using paid clients already

elder galleon
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i agree @vivid umbra

robust juniper
winged verge
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wait is the owner bug fixed yet? no. but is safety settings out of beta? no.

hushed hound
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Literally the biggest issue about this is the classism that will spawn from this, it started with the trust system. Now there's even MORE to be classist about once implemented.

magic osprey
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FIJI!!!! <3

slender finch
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if chilloutvr can do it, im sure vrchat can hold the same standard

scenic cosmos
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They are keeping features that already existed behind a paywall, that's the issue.

knotty light
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when you realize most people complaining about avatar slots are using paid clients already
@mighty dew People are dumb enough to pay for clients? lmao

lofty basin
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THIS IS BAAAAD lots of copyrighted content

gleaming kraken
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i think copyright law is probably the biggest problem right now

regal jackal
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vrc+ master race incoming

quartz vapor
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oh god yeah, asset ripping is everywhere, imagine them getting hella strict with that stuff

hollow sluice
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@magic osprey look in to Osu. A game that uses tons of copyrighted songs and has a supporter sub. Works fine, there are ways

leaden finch
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Ya'll need to stop hanging out with jerks if you think some icons are gonna ruin your day 😦 .
@idle elm Its not that. Its the whole thing. game is still in beta. This doesnt need a sub service and def not a 10 dollar one. 5 dollar is okayish.

robust juniper
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Let's just hope they don't crack down on copyrighted stuff, I'm fucked if they do

winged verge
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but i have the early supporter badge come back room void

stable trellis
static vapor
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If they take our money they better fucking fix Clients and shit though

robust juniper
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Every avatar I own has the fiji logo on it

steady oyster
pale stirrup
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You can though

proper lynx
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while we're at it let's just put the veteran rank back in, stir up as much anger in one update as possible

idle elm
fallow trout
winged verge
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oh no not the airforce ones

vivid umbra
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"Sorry you can't join this world you aren't VRC+"

humble gyro
upbeat dove
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Don't worry bros. Furries will save VRChat the same way they saved Second Life. Your future is in good paws.

lofty basin
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@static vapor it will only get worse

winged verge
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most clients have a one time payment option

marsh scarab
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if they really needed money, instead of suggesting their following to pay for small ass features, make a patreon, people will gladly pay 100s to make the game better in general. don't make money a part of the game 👌

gleaming kraken
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it hurting the people that genuinely arent trying to profit off of copyrighted stuff, i just want to give cool looking avatars to people, i never wanted to profit or claim it was my own. but this update is screwing with my hobby.

gloomy remnant
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pls give option to set safety settings on new trust rank for fucks sake

fiery lichen
leaden finch
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I was responding to the comments about so called "classism" or similar.
@idle elm Yeh thats gonna be a problem too

robust juniper
carmine nebula
chrome hinge
smoky ridge
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Im not ready for this community to die 😦

fiery lichen
humble gyro
north willow
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I like how half this chat is just calling the other half furries

quartz vapor
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better yet? just fuckin turn avatars off as a whole, add a shit character editor and take away the one and only thing about the game anyone enjoys

vale palm
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wait, what exactly did chilloutvr do for money?

winged verge
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sorry you cant look at yourself in this mirror because it only shows for vrchat plus extremet butt fckers

carmine nebula
primal elbow
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More segregation between ranks indeed

slender finch
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lets see how dead they go when the community boycotts it.

upbeat dove
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lol

stark solar
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well that was fast

thick tulip
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vrc: releases vrc+
"everyone disliked that"

vocal shard
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because they have books on basic ecomonics

robust juniper
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Let them eat cake friends+ lobbies

steady oyster
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@idle elm hey soz for the ping but this... mass of arguements cant help, is the option to early support already out or yet to come

slim cape
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When do i get to buy it bro, how long do i gotta wait

humble gyro
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Monthpy payments to be inside

leaden finch
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wait, what exactly did chilloutvr do for money?
@vale palm 5 dollars.. ONE TIME PAYMENT

winged verge
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whos ready for vrchat+ worlds

stark solar
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NO

quartz vapor
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better yet? 50 bucks a month and you can be mod, auto add people, auto ban others, full server control at all time fuck everyone else but yourself

stark solar
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A A A

lofty basin
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Patreon or any donation system with no advantages

upbeat dove
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oh man lol

idle elm
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@steady oyster I think that is part of the launch of it. If I'm understanding your question.

flint flint
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I don't mind VRchat+ it won't really affect me and the devs get some stable income

steady oyster
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Oki thanks

mighty dew
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All these complaints make no sense. How does making a small system like this mean they're not fixing bugs and working on the next big update??? That's not how development works lmfao

pale stirrup
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Damn I wanted to discuss not argue with people lol

stark solar
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Guys calm down they wont make it as bad as we think

hexed bridge
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Make mirror a paid content too lol

gleaming kraken
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so instead of bringing up the actual problems.. now we are just making up non existent problems just for the sake of complaining...?

carmine nebula
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No you leave mirror simulator out of this! @hexed bridge

winged verge
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I don't even have nameplates on but i dont want them to change

fiery lichen
steady oyster
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Also if any of you hace played att youd know this is good for the game

carmine nebula
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You can't take my mirrors away from me!!

forest orchid
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Mirror+

winged verge
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^^^^^^

royal jolt
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every mirror costs either $10 or you have to have vrc+

quartz vapor
carmine nebula
tropic grail
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Lmfaoo the mald

vocal shard
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Make mirror a paid content too lol
@hexed bridge I second that, all those purple users in full body staring at themselves, disgusting xD (JK)

upbeat dove
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Yeah I'll probably sub when it goes live in any case shrug

stable trellis
flint flint
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Ikr they add one way to get some money and people think it's going to be an EA game lol

thin blaze
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"This mirror requires VRC+ to view"

slim cape
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Bro... is there ETA on when it releases tho, i got my credit card r e a d y

winged verge
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mirrors are only seen to subscribers

fiery lichen
winged verge
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xdxd

gleaming kraken
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hey can we get back to the actual problems, not just complaining about a segregated mirror that doesnt even exist

carmine nebula
tropic grail
steady oyster
winged verge
forest orchid
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That's where they would make the most bank. Requiring people to pay to use mirrors.

slim cape
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same bro

umbral prairie
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vrc going down like titanic

quartz vapor
lofty basin
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@stark solar Some of us know too much

upbeat dove
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Bro... is there ETA on when it releases tho, i got my credit card r e a d y
@slim cape saaaaaaaaame

tropic grail
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S a m e

fiery lichen
pale stirrup
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I wish lol

crimson apex
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I just really don't like the paid trust

winged verge
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wheres the vrchat classic option thats 5 dollars lmaaaaaaaaao

steady oyster
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Can i point out the fact that we said the exact same thing at the wxact same time

winged verge
tropic grail
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Pay to win trust

quartz vapor
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for me it was my first exposure to vr, and complete avatar control is nice

tropic grail
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Ez pz pay to win game works

royal jolt
stable trellis
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they're already protected by DMCA

pale stirrup
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What I got from this is people don’t like price and trust rank

slim cape
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cant wait tbh, im goin to take a picture of my physical copy of winrar w/ my vrc name + timestamp and put it as my custom picture lmao

quartz vapor
crimson apex
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I feel like it should be $5 and everything else would be fine after taking out the paid trust

fiery lichen
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I wonder if they’ll charge more once they need lawyers

warped summit
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Avatar load in lag still not fixed? lol

vocal shard
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ladies and gentlemen, good luck out there, bully VRChat+ users and stay safe

humble gyro
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Pay to be better than everyone

gleaming kraken
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(???)

fiery lichen
crimson apex
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I don't mind this at all but I've noticed a lot of things already checking out the open beta and it's gonna lag some people

scenic cosmos
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Did they just added it as an ad on the menu??? Lol

knotty light
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VRChat devs sitting in a different social VR game "What are we doing wrong?" One of the team members steps up "We aren't making any money off of these people!"

vocal shard
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hahahahahahahhahahaha

leaden finch
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Did they just added it as an ad on the menu??? Lol
@scenic cosmos INGAME ADDS? OMG NO

winged verge
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hell yeah brother monetized nameplates take my money

stark solar
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wait what

lofty basin
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theyre defo going for profit inb4 VRChat 2 on Unreal Engine 😂

upbeat dove
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It'd be nice if they had supporter tiers like patreon. Maybe just a one time dono for the badge, or different badges, rewards, etc.

muted tundra
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I hope vrc dev don't add public with only plus world. /s

stark solar
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Ads are in vrchat. bruh

humble gyro
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Its dumb thats its 10/month ngl

royal jolt
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funny how in a social game they still haven't fixed the fucking owner mic bugs but focused on monetized nameplates and favorite slots

vocal shard
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big boi profits to anyone that says there credit card details

humble gyro
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OH YEAH

stark solar
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scenic cosmos
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They added the VRC+ in the menu, look at the end of the video. Looks like a big ad xd

winged verge
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one time payment I beg

leaden finch
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quartz vapor
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im about to get fucking DEMOLISHED for this one, but i just want a camera on quest, i dont care about literally anything else

humble gyro
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World owner mic bug

stark solar
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YES

mighty dew
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Everyone gets:
Better nameplate visuals
25 avatar slots!

VRC+ adds literally only new features with a standard, non-scummy subscription model and people are upset.

There's so many people working on VRC, this is not getting in the way of major improvements and fixes. The game is completely free to play. Ya'll are being children if you take a step back for a sec.

lofty basin
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send me bitcoins , I double

fiery lichen
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Ooh, quick on the Discord name

gleaming kraken
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@quartz vapor lol that almost certainly wont happen, cameras are too expensive for the quest

slim cape
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aight first of all, i hope they never fix that owner mic bug that shit funny

upbeat dove
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A lot of peeps might be cool with just a 5 spot. Kinda excluding a massive demographic by not scaling the rewards into tiers.

vocal shard
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No entiendo niguna wea hermano

winged verge
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im paying the same amount of fps I get with a world with more than 10 people poggers

humble gyro
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30 a year sounds good

gleaming kraken
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unless you want quest to be an even more laggy mess, it aint happening

quartz vapor
vocal shard
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what they should of done is one time fee, optional pateron, promises to fix broken code and shitty bugs and unlocked avatar slots as standard

fiery lichen
gleaming kraken
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taxing on the hardware

gloomy remnant
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add more NEW SHIT to the game and make it a 20-30$ one time payment

bronze topaz
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Update nul à chier

proper tendon
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Another concern with this too: How are we meant to pay for this? Because given what the game's security is like, I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my bank/card info on their servers.

leaden finch
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Everyone gets:
Better nameplate visuals
25 avatar slots!

VRC+ adds literally only new features with a standard, non-scummy subscription model and people are upset.

There's so many people working on VRC, this is not getting in the way of major improvements and fixes. The game is completely free to play. Ya'll are being children if you take a step back for a sec.
@mighty dew Id happily pay but not 10 bucks for something a paid clients does for only less than 5 dollars. Not that i use clients

fiery lichen
winged verge
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^^

stark solar
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NO

toxic pasture
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if you love vrchat, youll love vrchat live

proper tendon
mighty dew
vocal shard
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paid only avatars

royal jolt
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🙏

quartz vapor
# gleaming kraken taxing on the hardware

honestly 100% the quest 2 could handle it, fuck oculus though since devs have no way of telling the headsets apart. its a 2013 mobile processor vs a current gen one, complete bottlenecking

stark solar
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If they bring down the price, and not take away stuff, it will be fine

royal jolt
lofty basin
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harmless clients are free

floral glen
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I posted this in public but its caos there
This is my take on the VRC+. I dont think there is enough at the moment. Will i buy it? Maybe. My thought process is that they cant go off of money given from vr companys. And with this money they could hire new people, upgrade servers, and help add more features that we need. People forget that they could have just made the game paid and you would have to buy the game instead of it being free. im supportive on this but it depends on what it gives. Though im really looking forward to the game improvements that will probably come from this/

leaden finch
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@leaden finch would you rather support a Unity modder or the game that actually lets you have these experiences?
@mighty dew Id happily support the game. But not for something monthy that is way overpriced

steady oyster
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Yes no more visitors

winged verge
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just make friends lol

frail quarry
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the number of avatar slots has always been pathetically small
adding 9 more for "free" users is more of an insult than a plus

at the minimum, you should be able to favorite as many avatars as you can worlds
and for worlds you can favorite 4x32 of them total

gleaming kraken
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also want to bring up the fact that the video showing off the vrc+ had comments turned off since it was uploaded... they knew it was gonna cause chaos

humble gyro
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The game is already so popular, why make it monthly?

winged verge
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hell yeah ill drink to that

royal jolt
scenic cosmos
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There shouldn't be any paywall on content. Just make a patreon or whatever

vale palm
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All vrchat vids have comments turned off @gleaming kraken

quartz vapor
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this is a community controlled game for the most part, doesnt matter how good something is itll always get GOD awful comments

mighty dew
tepid urchin
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i want paid only public worlds please!!!
@lyric solar then its not a public world.

frail quarry
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the fact that they went after people who made nameplate modification shaders just to sell it back to people as a paid feature is a dick move

humble gyro
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Yeaaaah

fiery lichen
proper tendon
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You're joking, but I wouldn't mind some way to verify age and like, go to adult only worlds (not even necessarily NSFW ones, just places where you could be sure there were no kids) or to not worry about getting in trouble for NSFW content.

gleaming kraken
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@frail quarry if they didnt do that then you people would complain how clients are just adding features the devs were too lazy to add

leaden finch
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Lower the price and people will happily pay it. Its that fucking easy.

humble gyro
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Patreon makes more sense because people can pay more if they wanted to

winged verge
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true

stark solar
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yes

north willow
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All services are changed monthly lmao

vocal shard
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ME: hmmmmmmmmm new UI Changes

VRChat Devs: $10 a month money slut

steady oyster
fiery lichen
lofty basin
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imagine garrysmod premium subsciption 🤦‍♂️

thorny iris
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But is this game still in early access thought? They shouldn't be adding subscription model at its current state. Maybe they could've accept donation?

winged verge
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

knotty light
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Didn't they see the shitshow Fallout 76 had?

humble gyro
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But hiding stufd behind it is a lil scummy

north willow
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No charge me $3:48 every 8 days thank you

quartz vapor
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yall they havent even had a CHANCE to lower the price yet, i think weve gotten as far with this as we can, mods for sure at least know why were pissed

mighty dew
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and doesnt pay for hosting

amber juniper
tepid urchin
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Lower the price and people will happily pay it. Its that fucking easy.
@leaden finch I would definitely support if the price was lower.

scenic cosmos
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I think a donation model would work better. Content should be available for anyone

leaden finch
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ALSO What about all the children on the game??? U know. They want this but have to steal their moms credit cards n shit. Devs are gonna have a headache

lofty basin
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imma host vrc for free

leaden finch
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They may even end up making more if they lower the price
@fiery lichen EXACTLY

near ether
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Id be happier with 5$ a month honestly

chrome hinge
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^^^

pale stirrup
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Yesss

coral vessel
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LOL

fading karma
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lmaoo

amber juniper
fiery lichen
near ether
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10 is far too much for something uncertain

vocal shard
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gonna be honest, I like VRC+ but $9.99 monthly subscription for 2 actual features is not a good look. I know there's more to come but even discord nitro isn't worth $9.99 imo

humble gyro
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5 a month sounds doable for me

scenic cosmos
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They literally said that people were already asking how to support, just add a donation button

tepid urchin
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this... I met a 7 year old today in VRC...
@amber juniper which is weird because the minimum age is 13 if i'm correct

north willow
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Insulting the devs pepega

winged verge
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10 is too much you can buy a netflix sub for less

pastel dirge
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does Mini DisplayPort 1.4 work for oculus rift s?

vocal shard
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So is this supposed to be some kind of monthly subscription they’re introducing

gleaming kraken
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@tepid urchin mhmm, kids love breaking the ToS all the damn time, they even admit they arent 13

amber juniper
fair whale
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I like when early access games try to rip you off with "plus" content

hushed hound
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$5 a month or just go to a pure donation model. People will gladly donate if they want to support VRC as a platform.

scenic cosmos
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Content should be available for everyone. If you want tips, just add a donation button. No paywall needed

humble gyro
royal jolt
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i mean, making an age restriction isn't gonna stop people from getting on it from under that restriction, they'll still always find some way if they are committed enough

lofty basin
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10$ for 2 goodies vs ff14 sub hmmmmmm

winged verge
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VRC classic please stupid pepegas

stark solar
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Guys! How about we wait for the devs to respond to this, and then we talk like civil people!

fair whale
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This is gonna be "don't you guys have phones?" Level of bad lol

alpine surge
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i got kicked for asking how much tupper spends on drinks

winged verge
fading karma
#

im gay

robust juniper
#

I just saw GMod mentioned, and I just thought of something. GMod is a paid game and there's no problem with copyright there, so hopefully there isn't an issue with copyright stuff now that VRChat is taking people's money for VRC+

gleaming kraken
#

@alpine surge yeah you pinged him dummie

leaden finch
#

10$ for 2 goodies vs ff14 sub hmmmmmm
@lofty basin Oh hey seafoam. Also FF14 is better

fiery lichen
tepid urchin
#

This is gonna be "don't you guys have phones?" Level of bad lol
@fair whale nothing could get that bad

royal jolt
fair whale
stark solar
#

@winged verge yeah, i just hoped

lofty basin
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Guys! How about we wait for the devs to respond to this, and then we talk like civil people!
@stark solar this is civic enough

amber juniper
#

I just hope they have usable payment methods...

alpine surge
#

but i was just asking

knotty light
#

Guys! How about we wait for the devs to respond to this, and then we talk like civil people!
@stark solar Been waiting 4 years for the devs to respond to some issues if you look at the Canny...

north willow
#

I genuinely wonder if people would have complained a lot less if they just said, "this gives you nothing but we promise to use it to make the game better" and that thought is honestly hilarious

gusty gale
#

hi

fiery lichen
stark solar
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hi

leaden finch
#

XIV actually has content.
@fair whale YES

fading karma
worldly jungle
#

Yeah, this is terrible, but they deffo expected this, I think they're just going to go as planned and hope it blows over

vocal shard
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I don’t mind as long as it doesn’t put a paywall over things we were already able to do in-game

winged verge
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neve gonna happen im going to sit here and bicker like its going to change something

#

when in reality anything we say isnt going to matter its too far gone

vocal shard
#

Me: ah yes the list of things I can get with $9:99 a month
Netflix (1000s of movies, tv shows, etc)
Amazon Prime (1000s of movies, tv shows, etc)
Hulu (1000s of movies, tv shows, etc)
Mutiple games on steam (1000s of games)
Ubisoft Plus (1000s of games)
Origin Access (1000s of games)
VRChat Plus A cool new nameplate and more avatar slots

amber juniper
gleaming kraken
#

all they needed to do was add a donation button, maybe a badge for it. NOTHING ELSE. just give us an actual content update, not a subscription for it.

scenic cosmos
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Just use a donations model, you literally said that people were asking on how to help with money. Why did you add a paywall on features?

fair whale
#

I guarantee you people who buy this are gonna get trolled in game. Those custom icons will be a target

fiery lichen
gusty gale
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remember GLHF

tepid urchin
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I don’t mind as long as it doesn’t put a paywall over things we were already able to do in-game
@vocal shard they said the core experience will stay the same, but how long?

amber juniper
leaden finch
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Oh wait. GUYS I HAS IDEA.. Someone Make a canny post.. Everyone upvote it for a lowered price. They cant deny the playerbase like that u know 😉 Also they gonna hear us

proper tendon
humble gyro
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Donations>paywall

robust juniper
#

I can't help but feel as if there's some crab-bucket mentality going on here. Don't get me wrong I'm not interested in VRC+ at all, but a few people seem to be upset because someone can have something they don't have.

winged verge
#

just add payment tiers and ill be satisfied or a one time payment jesus

fiery lichen
#

Holy shit you’re right

mighty dew
#

World of Warcraft:
$60 + Mandatory $13/month

VRChat:
Free + Optional $10/month

VRCHAT IS THE DEVIL REEEEE

amber juniper
stable trellis
#

i can't believe tupper, personally and completely by himself, has ruined vrchat forever for the 3rd time this week. he can't keep getting away with this! anyways, imma go play vrchat w/ my friends its drinking night pog

last peak
#

My dad hits me when he drinks :/

leaden finch
#

World of Warcraft:
$60 + Mandatory $13/month

VRChat:
Free + Optional $10/month

VRCHAT IS THE DEVIL REEEEE
@mighty dew WOW HAS CONTENT...

inner mountain
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They dont even make content for their own game and they expect us to pay for a subscription wao

fair whale
#

Selling extra avatar slots is a joke. I swear. There would be no point in having extra avatar slots if not for the content creators who make those avatars.

winged verge
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well WOW is just bad

robust juniper
fiery lichen
vocal shard
#

Yeah public-lobby is a mess compared to this channel

gleaming kraken
#

yeah and wow has over a decade of content to go through, this is just two features

amber juniper
potent hatch
#

I'm not sure how to feel about VRC+

fair whale
#

You're literally paying them to access other people's stuff

stark solar
#

I just hope they don't ruin it for people who won't pay for it

tepid urchin
#

@mighty dew WOW HAS CONTENT...
@leaden finch yes but how long are they gonna keep it up before they start monetizing the core experience

hushed hound
#

Regardless, I'll say only once more. VRC+ in what we see now, will more than likely cause more Classism that already runs rampant in this game with the trust system. Best option in my opinion though would be either $5 a month or just going with the Pure donation model.

winged verge
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discord actually offers cool things for their price points not seeing the benefits

scenic cosmos
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Maybe because wow creates its own content and it's not made by they players?

north willow
#

Ahahahahahah I can't even

stable trellis
fair whale
north willow
#

So many bad takes lmafao

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch yes but how long are they gonna keep it up before they start monetizing the core experience
@tepid urchin They wont bc wow is their goldmine

mighty dew
vocal shard
#

But I do agree with what that other person said these features should’ve been added as an update instead of a monthly subscription

knotty light
#

Hey now. VRChat offers plenty of things in the game... like default Unity assets 😂

potent hatch
#

This is interesting to say the least

mild cradle
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I just want the game to be actually playable and optimized and not have cpu leakage.

coarse dawn
#

You want my money? give me something worth paying for. Give me Unix support, Linux support, Macintosh support. Give me the ability to rebind keys. Give me the ability to set my screen to 1440x1080. Give me a game that doesn't softlock every ten minutes. Give me a game that's not just diet VR second life.

tepid urchin
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@tepid urchin They wont bc wow is their goldmine
@leaden finch was talking about VRC. i apologize if there was a misunderstanding

stable trellis
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if only all this anger could be directed at landlords, maybe then we could live in a better world

robust juniper
#

I bought an iMac G3 today, I wonder if I could get VRC running on it without causing a house fire

knotty light
#

You want my money? give me something worth paying for. Give me Unix support, Linux support, Macintosh support. Give me the ability to rebind keys. Give me the ability to set my screen to 1440x1080. Give me a game that doesn't softlock every ten minutes. Give me a game that's not just diet VR second life.
@coarse dawn "Diet VR second life" I'm dying! 😂

potent hatch
#

Rory do be spitting facts tho

abstract vault
#

This entire situation is so stupid I'm going to make a video about it.

gleaming kraken
#

@coarse dawn im pretty sure if you hold down shift while opening the game you can change some of those things

fair whale
#

We've been waiting for vrc to utilize multithreading for like a year now. And it's been "were working on it" but now they want money for a game that a high end PC can't handle at 45fps because their engine is unoptimized af?

humble gyro
#

If im paying, i'm paying for bug fixes not gimmicks

coarse dawn
#

yeah, I can't because I RUN A LINUX SYSTEM

mild cradle
#

It just doesn't seem like a game made by people who have gotten millions in funding y'know?

tepid urchin
#

They can't and won't, VRC is a social network essentially like Facebook. That's not how the business model works
@mighty dew I know. and i understand. this whole situation just sounds concerning

robust juniper
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@fair whale There's a launch command for partial multithreading

north willow
#

This reaction is almost EXACTLY the same as when Discord Nitro was unveiled.

warped fox
fair whale
vocal shard
#

Nothing is being restricted

mighty dew
#

VRC+ is a really healthy and optional subscription model for a free game the size of VRChat (15k players a day!)

Can't we all just understand that and leave it be?

gleaming kraken
#

There's a launch command for partial multithreading
@robust juniper yeah and what is it?

leaden finch
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I have made a canny post! Under feature requests! Upvote that shit if you want that price DOWN

vocal shard
#

Free users also have a favorite list boost as well

winged verge
#

on another note shiloh makes the best lofi/chill music have a goodnight all

dusky crest
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@vocal shard why is there a limit on it in the first place

mild cradle
#

So when will they fix the cpu leakage and optimize the game?

proper tendon
fiery lichen
fair whale
#

I'd like that price to go down to $0. They've been telling us for how long that they can't increase the favorite avatar list because of server issues?

potent hatch
#

They still won't fix the damn game

dusky crest
#

when are we gonna get to turn user's volume down individually, or turn up or down our hearing range

#

@vocal shard

robust juniper
scenic cosmos
#

"nothing is being restricted" you CAN'T have a custom icon if you don't pay. How that's not a restriction?

fair whale
#

But they can increase it to 100 if you give them money? :B

coarse dawn
#

fix the damned game then ask for my money

stable trellis
leaden finch
#

But they can increase it to 100 if you give them money? :B
@fair whale Its so dumb

vocal shard
#

Yeah the new UI looks way more cooler

gleaming kraken
#

its literally storing a blueprint id, and who is favoriting it, how is that hard to store?

fiery lichen
stark solar
vocal shard
fair whale
potent hatch
#

Yeah this is a shitshow at it's finest

winter sierra
#

Hearing range can be done in worlds @dusky crest

mild cradle
#

Avatar worlds are the only way even get avatars without mods.

robust juniper
fiery lichen
leaden finch
#

When favorites were first added, world creators were against having them at all because it would stop people from returning to their world's to get avatars. So a limit was put in place as a compromise
@vocal shard I get that. but everyday about what thousands of new avatars are being added. 16 quickly gets obsolete

dusky crest
#

it does

proper tendon
mild cradle
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Yeah true but it's inconvenient

dusky crest
#

Like I've had to get rid of some of my rare models solely because I have to save another

vocal shard
#

The way the game used to work, people were used to returning to the same avatar worlds every time they logged in @fiery lichen

scenic cosmos
#

I find it kinda funny how people defends this paywall model while users are the ones who create the content for this game

mild cradle
#

It's hard to find good models from creators.

north willow
#

Tfw when VRchat migration begins and everyone moves back to Gmod to hit two sticks together or whatever you do in that game

dusky crest
#

also how about the cloning system get fixed, half the time it doesn't work

fair whale
bold fractal
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Its $10 because that is what they believe will reflect the ultimate value all the feature that plus will include. The way credit card processors work with subscription models precluded the possibility of raising the price of a subscription. If plus later became worth more because of more feature added they would have to create a new subscription tier or cancel all subjection and hope people resub at the new tier. Its better to set the price now at what it will be for perpetuity and leave it that way.

robust juniper
dusky crest
#

^

mild cradle
#

Isn't there already a patreon? I'm confused. Unless I am mistaken.

knotty light
#

So if this is going to tie into future monetization for creators. How are they going to handle that? Most models are kitbashed borrowed assets from DeviantArt that have been glued together in Blender.

stable trellis
fair whale
#

I like the part where they released an update that made the friends list refresh properly, but it didn't actually do that, AND it broke avatars.

winter sierra
#

Guys if you want to have more avatar slots, just start making your own avatars. 5Head

lofty basin
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also Gmod was 20$ and you get content 4 life

leaden finch
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Its $10 because that is what they believe will reflect the ultimate value all the feature that plus will include. The way credit card processors work with subscription models precluded the possibility of raising the price of a subscription. If plus later became worth more because of more feature added they would have to create a new subscription tier or cancel all subjection and hope people resub at the new tier. Its better to set the price now at what it will be for perpetuity and leave it that way.
@bold fractal Then they shouldve had MORE features than just two at the start.

gleaming kraken
#

I like the part where they released an update that made the friends list refresh properly, but it didn't actually do that, AND it broke avatars.
@fair whale yeah same

vocal shard
#

Damn $10 is a bit too much for a subscription service tho

dusky crest
#

@stable trellis but why put a paywall on a quality-of-life feature, and stil lnot deliver countless other quality-of-life features that were promised MONTHS and MONTHS back

uneven inlet
#

99.99 USD is way too much for a YEAR

fair whale
scenic cosmos
uneven inlet
#

Hell Xbox Live is a bit cheaper than that

mild cradle
#

I think that we need to slow down from adding more and more features and focus on optimization and server stability. They still got that voice chat glitch and that shit whack.

rancid cradle
#

Give them more money, they now have more money to fix things. vrcTupper

vocal shard
primal oak
#

Gosh not even Runescape 3 membership is as expensive as vrc+

robust juniper
#

Isn't Tower Unite meant to be getting VR support at some point too? Not saying I'm gonna jump ship but I just remembered that's a thing

stark solar
#

eating popcorn and reading chat lol

bronze topaz
#

99.99$ for unfinished game with missing features 😭

frail quarry
#

Tower Unite is not a VR game

fiery lichen
#

I mean, seriously

World favorites and avatar favorites is literally just storing 2 strings, the world ID and the person who favorited it, and maybe the avatar list it’s saved in

This cannot amount to that much in terms of servers

gleaming kraken
#

i aint against giving them money, were just saying this was a bad way of going about it

fair whale
#

Tower unite still exists??

robust juniper
#

@frail quarry It reached the stretch goal for VR support

frail quarry
#

I play it extensively and the devs have said there are no plans to making it VR now because that would involve reworking the entire game

humble gyro
#

Just. Patreon, its not that hard to understand

proper tendon
rancid cradle
#

Tower Unite with its 200 users? ok

mild cradle
#

I would pay if they just fixed more shit before adding stuff. Y'know?

scenic cosmos
#

Just use donations and give the content to everyone

frail quarry
#

I have several thousand hours on tower unite, it's a great game

bold fractal
#

@leaden finch For now its best to think of it as a way to support the dev team and consider subscribing once you see a feature set that you think is worth while.

rancid cradle
#

Then don't pay.

#

This is optional, everyone calm down

lofty basin
#

They should make lootboxes for custom hats! Who needs avatar makers anyways (just like nameplates right?) /s

fair whale
#

Things VRChat needs before they monetize:

  1. A more optimized system.
  2. Official multithreading support.
  3. To NOT BE IN EARLY ACCESS.
robust juniper
potent hatch
#

No seriously, 20 people can't fix this one game?

dusky crest
#

Honestly my issue with it is they're asking the community for money and offering a tag, and a quality of life feature (more favourites), but they havent delivered on countless other promises including users volume, changing how far you can hear, and stuff like that

mild cradle
#

They disabled comments on their YT vid.

fair whale
amber juniper
humble gyro
#

Hiding features behind a paywall isnt smart

knotty light
#

"Support VRChat" was a poor choice of language on their part. They should have said "Help fund us to hire on some more experienced developers AND be rewarded for your contribution".

humble gyro
#

People are WILLIN to donate

celest dawn
#

Yeah i dont mind supporting but there better be some big changes for preformace and sdk stuff ect. and if they lock us out of most of us are gonna be angry. Tbh i think it should be a one time deal like a go fund be but everyone knows the fk bois are gonna get it to flex so here we go. lol

frail quarry
#

people should have as many favorite slots for avatars as there are for worlds
which is 4 lists of 32 each
anything less is ridiculous, and throwing 9 extra slots at people while making more a paid feature is a damn joke

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch For now its best to think of it as a way to support the dev team and consider subscribing once you see a feature set that you think is worth while.
@bold fractal No. If you set up an expensive service. You need to have stuff to support that service. WOuld be the same if i said. Sub to my OF but i will only post in two years

lofty basin
#

No seriously, 20 people can't fix this one game?
@potent hatch That would be because the ground work is bad and needs complete rework and the only people they hire are friends

mild cradle
#

OMG PLEASE hire more experienced devs

scenic cosmos
#

Phasmophobia has only one dev, just saying.

frail quarry
#

favoriting avatars is not taxing on VRC servers, it's data that is saved locally to a user, just a pointer to an avatar ID

tepid urchin
#

Phasmophobia has only one dev, just saying.
@scenic cosmos Isn't Among us the same?

leaden finch
#

Phasmophobia has only one dev, just saying.
@scenic cosmos That shit runs better than VRC LUL

celest dawn
#

biggest fear is community's dividing.

humble gyro
lofty basin
#

bruh the devs need to pay rent
@severe hinge me too

knotty light
#

Phasmophobia has only one dev, just saying.
@scenic cosmos VRChat has at least 5 pseudo ones lol.

rancid cradle
#

How dare the developers ask for money. vrcTrollThinking

frail quarry
#

people use clients all the time just to get more slots, and paywalling this feature will only lead to more people using clients, which often times also have malicious features to them

fiery lichen
lofty basin
#

biggest fear is community's dividing.
@celest dawn Ranks did that already. to an extent

dusky crest
robust juniper
fair whale
gleaming kraken
#

omg we will say it again... we are willing to pay... donations > subscription services

daring raft
#

Make it a 1ctime payment if they need cash money

green lava
#

Anyone with discord nitro isn't allowed to complain about vrchat+ lol

#

Discord is utterly useless

gleaming kraken
#

nitro has more features

dusky crest
#

like literally the main reason people use modified clients is because the devs havent added quality of life features they've promised multiple times

robust juniper
mild cradle
#

It's not like they actually are strapped for cash that's the thing.

smoky folio
#

i just dont see why you’d pay for something without the security being improved first ):

vocal shard
#

lol

drowsy galleon
#

several people are typing

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch it does not have user uploaded avatars with hundreds of dynamic bones
@sudden agate Its coded properly and has a dev that isnt unexperienced

fair whale
green lava
#

Nitro makes problems to sell you the "features"

dusky crest
#

I have considered MUTLIPLE TIMES getting a modified client just cause vrchat is so feature-less

gleaming kraken
#

Discord is utterly useless
@green lava says the guy typing on discord right now xD

humble gyro
uneven inlet
#

15 million from Vive, 1 million from Oculus, an valve gave them some cash also, and yet they still need to do this.

potent hatch
#

This is going nowhere at astonishing rates

mild cradle
#

Discord nitro is actually fun.

drowsy galleon
#

how are you supposed to invalidate people's opinions if you don't have discord

dusky crest
#

^

green lava
#

What is the file limit again for discord? lol

smoky folio
#

people can literally rip your stuff without being in worlds with you why would i pay for that lol

worldly jungle
#

God, I honestly hate the direction VRChat has gone since like mid-2018 when they added the Rank system, I would love more than anything if there was an actual competitor that had users, so I could dump this game. It's ridiculous they're asking for money for a game that BARELY works

drowsy galleon
#

IRC master race

green lava
#

like 8mb, no thanks

sharp saddle
#

15 million from Vive, 1 million from Oculus, an valve gave them some cash also, and yet they still need to do this.
@uneven inlet You do realize how much money is needed to keep a game like this running 24/7, right? ;)

fiery lichen
vocal shard
#

you get paid up the ass by VR Headset brands and ask for money for features that the community has been asking for for years

stable trellis
#

there's no "Fix Bug" button guys, if you've never worked on a large scale game-service like this, you literally have no idea what youre talking about when you say things like "just fix the game".

youre well within your rights to be upset that there are bugs, but like, this shit takes a fucking looooong time to work on

if you dont wanna pay then dont pay, ez pz

mild cradle
#

Millions.

#

And it still buggy as hell

leaden finch
#

I get why Nitro is 9.99. It comes with ALOT of features and you get those features for about 3.99. The rest is the two boosts

fiery lichen
#

The animator bug recently was pretty bad, yeah

robust juniper
knotty light
#

@uneven inlet You do realize how much money is needed to keep a game like this running 24/7, right? ;)
@sharp saddle You see the Netflix show they were featured on? Sure they are making some nice residuals from that.

lofty basin
#

IRC master race
@drowsy galleon To be fair, we might with all the big tech censorship. Who knows, discord could be next..

pseudo zephyr
#

who am i supposed to talk to about getting my account unbanned, i emailed them and its been a week since i inquired about it

dusky crest
#

@viral schooner and discord actually adds features that people have been asking for

drowsy galleon
#

vrpill uhhhhhhhh let's uhhhhh keep it uhh civil guys

fair whale
green lava
#

Yes, but should there even need to be a limit for that? How is that a good feature when they limit you in the first place?

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch it is much easier to optimize that when you have control over all content in your game, not saying that vrc devs doing their best - definitely not, but phantasmophobia dev has much easier task to do
@sudden agate They shouldve hired proper people than this nonsense sub shit IN EARLY ACCESS

bold fractal
#

@leaden finch They explicitly framed this as a option that they are providing to support the team, it might has some perks but for now its a way to help out, like a patreon.
Today, we want to introduce a new way for you to support us — VRChat Plus.

fiery lichen
warped fox
frail quarry
#

what we still need are moderation features for world creators
I made a large and feature-filled map for roleplay and it's often plagued by people who cheat to get through walls, mess with switches, flyhack, or crash people
World creators should be able to ban people from worlds they create without having to use SDK3 workarounds to 'blacklist' users. World creators should be able to give people permissions to kick others from the world without votekick like they themselves possess.

We need world moderation features with teeth to them, especially now that this is going to drive more people to using clients to bypass the paywall.

celest dawn
#

tbh the game is so easy to exploit with injectors im sure there will be a big back door to all the "features". - i do not condone doing this.

potent hatch
#

Give me my fucking keybinds

fiery lichen
robust juniper
shadow wave
#

I think how this pans out will depend heavily on how VRC's stance on mods changes. Best case it stays the same, second best they just make mod makers remove premium features, worst they start cracking down on mods.

green lava
#

Can't even send emojis the size of my small toe nail without paying lol

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch They explicitly framed this as a option that they are providing to support the team, it might has some perks but for now its a way to help out, like a patreon.
Today, we want to introduce a new way for you to support us — VRChat Plus.
@bold fractal Then they shouldve made a patreon instead of this feacture locking bs

daring raft
#

Why not just a 1 time payment? Of 10buck

scenic cosmos
#

Hey VRChat, here's the solution :
No paywall for features. Everyone will get them.
People who wants to donate will donate and get that ugly badge.
Add goals for x quantity of donations made by everyone.
You are welcome

pseudo zephyr
#

i was banned for a compromised account, thing is that i already changed the password, but its a ban for 100 years

mild cradle
#

A game that's a carbon copy can run at 300 fps. Explain this.

leaden finch
#

@bold fractal if it was just to support them the perks wouldn't increase classism in the game
@prime ore I feel a huge sarcasm

shadow wave
#

Networking

gleaming kraken
#

Why is it bad if they crack down on mods?

mild cradle
#

Yeah guys

hidden adder
#

Yea

robust juniper
stable trellis
shadow wave
#

Because they have a bunch of features that really should be in the game but arent

worldly jungle
#

That's SO true @mild cradle they need to fix their foundation DESPERATLY

mild cradle
#

People wont pay them if they use avi mods.

celest dawn
#

this is a free loving community and vrc was built more by the people then the devs at the end of the day. so i hope thy think wisely as things progress.

mild cradle
#

Right? And yall know what game I am talking about

robust juniper
mild cradle
#

Bruh

onyx temple
#

Do we know if you keep the early supporter badge if you drop out of VRChat+?

mild cradle
#

ChilloutVR

delicate flame
mild cradle
#

That shit snaps

robust juniper
#

Never heard of it

scenic cosmos
#

Paywall is an issue for a game that has been free for years

mild cradle
#

Its literally VRChat but actually playable

fiery lichen
#

Not for that price, no

vocal shard
#

@covert chasm that issue has actually gone away by now after the master-build-2020-11-19-italy-copterburning -> master-build-2020-11-20-gonzo-umbrellafruit switch so all good

mild cradle
#

And get this, it's also free and they have WAY less funding

onyx temple
#

Like, I hate subscriptions services in general, so I'd just subscribe for one month and then stop

rancid cradle
#

@prime ore Why is he going to the bar if he can't afford $10

shadow wave
#

To be fair I think the subscription is basically like a patreon, it was just kinda presented badly

fiery lichen
shadow wave
#

It's essentially a patreon with perks

tepid urchin
mild cradle
#

I just want the game to run better. That's all. Like there are way too many bugs. I have been on vrchat for 3 years and it kills me to see its awfully optimized.

granite agate
#

how do you optimize VRChat without removing the freedom of content

scenic cosmos
#

If they have enabled donations waay back this wouldn't be an issue now

mild cradle
fiery lichen
knotty light
#

Can only stand people standing up for the game because "development is hard" for so long before saying... This ain't Cyberpunk fam! You literally sit in front of a mirror, in player created worlds, wearing player created Avatars, and your main interaction is with other people. The development teams focus the past 4 years should have been coding a better game. Not socializing.

worldly jungle
leaden finch
tepid urchin
#

@tepid urchin I was talking about ChilloutVR not VRChat
@mild cradle My apologies

worldly jungle
#

idk what happened

scenic cosmos
#

If they have enabled donations waay back this wouldn't be an issue now.

frail quarry
#

besides the laughably small favorites list for avatars + paywalling more slots, there's other issues

Issue 2 was banning people who used shaders to customize their own nameplates, while then making the feature monetized later on. This makes bans purely profit-driven and is scummy.

Issue 3 is letting people 'buy' the "trusted" rank. Some people actually believe they earned it through playtime and uploading content, while others (most people) don't care about this rank to begin with as its saturated with people who often use more malicious avatars than lower trust ranks (2-d audio across the whole map, annoying shaders, lag)

mild cradle
#

Almost every world is like that-

humble gyro
#

Vrchat team got 10 million dollars and still cant be assed to fix the game

tepid urchin
#

@tepid urchin And what happened to that funding?? they blew it.. Spend nothing on the game LUL
@leaden finch there was people on twitter defending this by saying they need money for devs and running the game

leaden finch
#

@tepid urchin And what happened to that funding?? they blew it.. Spend nothing on the game LUL
@leaden finch Quoting myself.. But.. They blew that 10 million funding. Who says it wont happen again??? I want a fair price of 5 bucks and thats it.

shadow wave
#

Tupper has said in an old forum post that most lag comes from networking backend stuff, not player created content

fiery lichen
shadow wave
#

Probably still accurate but I can't be sure

scenic cosmos
#

Just enable donations and leave the game as it is. Thanks.
Oh and fix the bugs

tepid urchin
#

@leaden finch Quoting myself.. But.. They blew that 10 million funding. Who says it wont happen again??? I want a fair price of 5 bucks and thats it.
@leaden finch they would get alot more support if it was 5 dollars. i would drop 5 a month

mild cradle
#

And the buying a trust rank pisses me off

fierce briar
#

I agree with the plus. im glad their finally leaning away from investors

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch they would get alot more support if it was 5 dollars. i would drop 5 a month
@tepid urchin Same. not 10.

mild cradle
#

You know how LONG I have played to get that?

#

We work for community trust

verbal marsh
#

VRChat Battlepass when?

graceful pewter
#

also might have been the investors idea for them to have some sort of monetization source

hasty nacelle
#

Guys, please..

I genuinely have had so many good memories and have worked so hard on avatars for this game that its practically my main hobby right now.

I just want this game to have less latency, better optimization, and overall to keep striving.

I understand needing money to fund your game, fair, but when you lock things like 100 avatar slots, it ruins it for the rest.

Please VRChat team, do not ruin your game.

mild cradle
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It shouldnt be boosted with a paywall

frail quarry
#

Trusted rank is higher on the safety list as if you're supposed to anticipate some level of safety from it, but typically people with that rank are the worst offenders. Unwanted 2-d audio across the entire map, irritating shaders, etc.

tepid urchin
#

And the buying a trust rank pisses me off
@mild cradle it gets rid of the Initial purpose of why the trust system was implmented

fiery lichen
#

VRChat Premium coming soon

knotty light
#

I agree with the plus. im glad their finally leaning away from investors
@fierce briar I'm glad investors are leaning away from them.

humble gyro
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Id drop 5 a month

fierce briar
#

This means they'll start listening to those who put money in their pocket, which will be the players

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and they can hire competent programmers

bold fractal
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@leaden finch I would not go though a third party if I had a option not to, there are of drawbacks to it. Patreon is not a pragmatic business option if you can avoid it.

@prime ore User ranks can be gamed as it is so it should not be effecting people's perception, that being said I know it dose, but on the whole the UI changes that come with this seem to be deemphasizing user rank as is. Eventually I would put money on user rank being reduced to an mostly invisible value that just effects thinks like upload permissions.

mild cradle
#

@mild cradle it gets rid of the Initial purpose of why the trust system was implmented
@tepid urchin It does.

tepid urchin
#

Guys, please..

I genuinely have had so many good memories and have worked so hard on avatars for this game that its practically my main hobby right now.

I just want this game to have less latency, better optimization, and overall to keep striving.

I understand needing money to fund your game, fair, but when you lock things like 100 avatar slots, it ruins it for the rest.

Please VRChat team, do not ruin your game.
@hasty nacelle Money Speaks for the Devs,

humble gyro
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They had TEN million dollars

inner mountain
lofty zephyr
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vrcLike cant wait to get VRCHAT+ keep up the good workvrcLike ALSO why cant i buy that rn but there is a beta?

hasty nacelle
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unfortunatley yea.

lofty basin
#

and they can hire competent programmers
@fierce briar Never happened with funds they got before will never happen still

tepid urchin
mild cradle
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This game feels like it was made by one person who be usin that yanderedev coding

vocal shard
#

oof the shadowbans are high rn

graceful pewter
#

doesn't mean they can actually use all 10 million right at the moment as they probably have to cover their expenditures for a couple of years with it

frail quarry
#

I suggest going after the client users and people who crash others, as well as adding better moderation features for World Creators, and additional bugfixes, before believing it appropriate to charge others for 'features'.

lofty basin
#

oooffft

inner mountain
fierce briar
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It will happen now, because theyve always catered to their income. Investors are no longer it. This means we'll start seeing more community driven updates

amber juniper
#

Sooo... when do we get loot boxes? :P

knotty light
#

Will they actually hire anyone though? That's the real question. They seem pretty proud of what they created and constantly ignored people who were programmers that had offered to fix things for free. Even John Carmack reached out to them and they ghosted the man! John Freaking Carmack!

lofty basin
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@humble gyro it's nothing for a platform like this, will be burned pretty quickly
@sudden agate Were not talking about a AAA game here...

tepid urchin
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This game feels like it was made by one person who be usin that yanderedev coding
@mild cradle Phasmaphobia was made by 1 dev as said by another person and that game runs well.

vocal shard
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true

leaden finch
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@humble gyro it's nothing for a platform like this, will be burned pretty quickly
@sudden agate Yearh if you use it on everything else than the game

mortal fjord
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What rank in the battle pass will custom avatars be available?

mild cradle
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Phasmaphobia claps dude

hard cloak
#

support a game? buy support packs you don't get anything except that you support us. everyone is happy

inner mountain
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i guess im gonna change my steam review

humble gyro
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Clapped

mortal fjord
#

Daaaaaaamn

tepid urchin
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Phasmaphobia claps dude
@mild cradle i've watched people play it and it looks like a good game.

mild cradle
#

Its fun as hell

graceful pewter
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programmer salaries don't fluctuate that super heavily

knotty light
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If John Carmack reached out to me and offered advice on how to improve my game I'd throw my pride away and accept the help. Not ignore him.

mild cradle
#

Also people can have their own icons by uploading an avatar? Right?

stable trellis
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imma go hangout in my favorite free to play social sim, phasmophobia

lofty basin
#

@lofty basin AAA level is hundreds of millions, just imagine paying 10 software engineers yearly salary, plus equipment, plus licenses, plus dev ops infrastracture
@sudden agate Yup. My company does it. Doesnt cost 10 million in a year. not in 2, not in 3.

humble gyro
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When do we get to see the vrpill yacht

vocal shard
carmine nebula
#

Okay so it's just public lobby, vrc-general is actually somewhat decent...

inner mountain
#

world/avatar creator probably spend more time creating content for the game than the devs fixing their game

scenic cosmos
#

I paid for VRC+PRO tier 8 and stills says I don't have credits to hop to another world

leaden finch
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WIth 10 bucks VRC devs are shooting themselves in the foot.. But by lowering the price to 4.99 then ofc some will still be like eeew subscription. But actually most people would do it. Because the price is as it is then

tepid urchin
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with a latency of 5 seconds and audio problems that made the game unplayable or very annoying at best until the last update that fixed the audio problems
@vocal shard are they asking for funding?

fiery lichen
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I wonder if the devs are placing bets on how long it’ll take us to get over it

vocal shard
mild cradle
#

@mild cradle Pretty sure that you aren't supposed to modify nametags at all
@wild mantle I said Icons I believe. Not nametags.

graceful pewter
#

and also your company probably has Revenue sources @lofty basin

mint anvil
fiery lichen
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VBucks?

leaden finch
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@lofty basin good for you, but I don't know structure of vrc company and don't know their spendings, bet you don't know it either
@sudden agate Their spendings was buying a 3 million dollar house

mild cradle
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@mild cradle ah I am big dumb
@wild mantle All good 👍

lofty basin
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@lofty basin good for you, but I don't know structure of vrc company and don't know their spendings, bet you don't know it either
@sudden agate I have a good idea. Being in the field and all. If you burn through 10 million with 10-20 employees in a single year you're doing something wrong or heavily overpaying.

sly nexus
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VRChat has already received millions in investment, you think they need another $50,000 a month?

potent hatch
#

I think I see at least part of the problem here
The team is launching an optional subscription for VRChat, but the community is pissed because VRChat isn't getting the fixes it needs. However, to achieve a good chunk of said fixes, the team would have to effectively rebuild the game. To me, this looks like a loss for everyone except ChilloutVR, the new competitor

mild cradle
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You think they gonna ever listen to the community?

leaden finch
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@sudden agate I have a good idea. Being in the field and all. If you burn through 10 million with 10 employees in a single year you're doing something wrong or heavily overpaying.
@lofty basin Like buying a three million dollar house LUL

tepid urchin
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I think I see at least part of the problem here
The team is launching an optional subscription for VRChat, but the community is pissed because VRChat isn't getting the fixes it needs. However, to achieve a good chunk of said fixes, the team would have to effectively rebuild the game. To me, this looks like a loss for everyone except ChilloutVR, the new competitor
@potent hatch i havent tried the game yet. how is it?

sly nexus
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They havent listened to 90% of the community's demands/requests for the past YEARS

mild cradle
#

Believe it or not but communities actually LOVE being heard and listened to.

ocean arch
#

Announcement Trailer

Well this is worrying for the game

stable trellis
autumn shadow
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@mortal fjord ay yo wanna do vrc duo's with me

leaden finch
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@potent hatch i havent tried the game yet. how is it?
@tepid urchin You pay 5 bucks. Unlimited uploads. unlimited friendslist. ONE TIME PAYMENT

knotty light
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I think I see at least part of the problem here
The team is launching an optional subscription for VRChat, but the community is pissed because VRChat isn't getting the fixes it needs. However, to achieve a good chunk of said fixes, the team would have to effectively rebuild the game. To me, this looks like a loss for everyone except ChilloutVR, the new competitor
@potent hatch Wasn't ChilloutVR the game the devs sat in when they said "What are we doing wrong?" lol

mortal fjord
#

nah bro what about squads

sonic elk
#

@stable trellis its not as much nowadays for server hosting

mild cradle
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Take a look at Paralives for example they are literally gathering ideas ACTIVELY and adding features that the community wants.

verbal marsh
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@autumn shadow sign me up

graceful pewter
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author who said anything about them blowing the 10 million in one year

lofty basin
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im sure you know a lot about how much it costs to maintain servers for a game that has almost half a million unique users every month
@stable trellis What counts is the amount of ACTIVE users. Storage costs nothing.

scenic cosmos
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It's clear that the current model for VRC+ it's bullshit. It's hard for me to understand why they didn't just open a donation option?

mild cradle
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And their game btw is beautiful

toxic cloak
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time for VRC to get hit with the meanest of DMCAs tbh :^)

tepid urchin
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@tepid urchin You pay 5 bucks. Unlimited uploads. unlimited friendslist. ONE TIME PAYMENT
@leaden finch i gotta take a look

autumn shadow
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meh its what ever

mortal fjord
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@autumn shadow nah bro we gotta do quads so we can get the whole squad in

vocal shard
autumn shadow
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@mortal fjord Sheesh we got the bois hoppin in for that battlepass

leaden finch
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@leaden finch wait, is there a friend limit?
@sudden agate On ChilloutVR yes. 100.

graceful pewter
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@lean yew that is already the case because there is paid avatars at stuff like virtual market and various website

sly nexus
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yeah sure, half a million unique

11,293.1 average daily players in the past month

bold fractal
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@prime ore That is a fair point but this still seems like a move in the right direction, also plus users are going a minority of the games population, thus making it less likely that that invisible social pressure would be exerted. Now that will depend on social circles, some groups will be more into it then others, but overall most people wont, so I think there will be little shame.

toxic cloak
#

VRchat is now officially making money, off of other copy right models, aka Game assests from other games, even though they themselves are doing it, the users are allowed to upload anything they want

leaden finch
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@leaden finch omg
@sudden agate But by 5 bucks onetime payment thats unlimmited and your 10 uploads also unlimmited. THats actually really fair.

stable trellis
mild cradle
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It's not a matter of paying. I think if their game was actually better after 3 or so years in terms of servers, optimization, listened to their community, etc. I think at that point people would love to pay them with a membership or something.

sly nexus
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@bold fractal even though there is a VERY large population of the game that uses mods that already give the users everything VRC+ offers and then some

toxic cloak
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Being donated money is one thing

humble gyro
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Mass migration to chilloutvr

toxic cloak
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being paid by your users is another that will cause DMCAs

shadow wave
#

tbf its worth considering that if they make money this way they wont have to take sponsors. and iirc their sponsors were pressuring them to ban nsfw completely

dry marsh
#

plus users are most likely going to fall into a little catagory of their own like full body. they might have an extra trick or too, but it's not terrible (from what they've shown, it's actually pretty tame. everyone is just worried about how "paid feature" could impact the future).

fervent barn
#

VRC+ is pretty lame not gonna lie

scenic cosmos
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Just don't put a paywall on features and keep that badge for people who wants to donate

lofty basin
#

then i'm sure HTC gave VRC 10 million dollars out of the kindness of their hearts
@stable trellis Youre right. They wont give 10 mil just because you tell them it's expensive to run either.

leaden finch
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@leaden finch I don't mind paying, just not for this feature...
@sudden agate Look at it like this. They can FROM START pay investors back and put money in the game and you pay one time only. Imo thats a good deal for us users. Just wish VRC did that from the beginning

mild cradle
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i hope ChilloutVR will be better than VRC
@weary cypress It will be. In terms of optimization and community feedback it already is.

sly nexus
vocal shard
lofty basin
#

I know

knotty light
#

Unity is a great engine if properly utilized, and if you don't use other peoples pre assembled code to build a game on it.

scenic cosmos
leaden finch
#

yes, lets move to a platform that limits how much content you can upload 🙄
@vocal shard 5 bucks one time payment.

humble gyro
potent hatch
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I don't think VRC+ is so bad, it's that they still need to work out the game problems

mild cradle
#

lmao you act like they havent suppressed our opinions before.

knotty light
#

Genshin Impact runs on Unity. Unity is not to blame for being bad.

split gull
#

the profile picture thing on the nameplate is pretty cool imo

toxic cloak
#

where are you guys getting one time payment at?

scenic cosmos
#

Also funny you deleted my message about chilloutVR

inner mountain
#

vrc plus funds for deleting chillout vr comments

gleaming kraken
#

unity itself -is- behind some of this games problems, not all of it thouh

leaden finch
#

I mean if ChilloutVR can make it work with a onetime payment of 5 bucks.. Then surely VRC can make it work too with just that tbh

sly nexus
graceful pewter
#

@knotty light Genshin Impact only has to handle 4 people at the same time for the multiplayer

toxic cloak
#

it says a $10 monthly payment right there. So either $120 a year if you pay by month or jsut $100

vocal shard
#

Lol if im paying i want eu servers

shadow wave
#

source 2 vrchat port when

leaden finch
#

it says a $10 monthly payment right there. So either $120 a year if you pay by month or jsut $100
@toxic cloak Which is too expensive

lofty basin
#

@potent hatch Problem is they'll just burn through the money and nothing will change. Take Star Citizen as a good example of Money =/= results

mild cradle
#

I just don't believe the game is worth that at all in the first place.

carmine nebula
#

VRCHAT 2 - Now with a PS5, Xbox series X, nintendo switch ports

knotty light
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@knotty light Genshin Impact only has to handle 4 people at the same time for the multiplayer
@graceful pewter Yet I'll still get the voice bug in a low populated world in VRChat.

vocal shard
sly nexus
inner mountain
#

Guild wars is a free

stable trellis
#

genshin is also riddled with MTX gachas which are, imo, way worse than any sub system could ever be

scenic cosmos
#

Just give chilloutVR a few more months. Keep your policy of not listening to the community

frail zephyr
#

lawsuit incoming

tepid urchin
#

lawsuit incoming
@frail zephyr i definitely see it coming

leaden finch
#

it's a one-time payment... for now. there are plans to get subscriptions added as well :)
@vocal shard I know. But i also know some of the devs from Chillout is seeing this and now they can get the upper hand and to sub based income PROPERLY

mild cradle
#

The game isn't complete let's not add paywalls and such. Please? Fix your game. Listen to the community. Stop trying to impress people with features when the features you implement already are buggy as hell. Fix what you have and focus on completing the damn project.

potent hatch
#

I said it once, I'll say it again
Shitshow at it's finest

autumn shadow
#

where can i buy the plus

pseudo flame
#

what are the grounds for a lawsuit lmao chill

toxic cloak
#

No its not that $10 a month is too expensive, its that the options they give us to use for those $10 a month literally aint shit but things that others made available to be used for free with it being unlimited favorite slots, or a shader to customize your nameplate. and while im not try to support people who used modded clients, it is something when they threatened to ban people for the nameplate shader, but now finally came to monetizing it and making it a shitty watered down version of what was available

tepid urchin
#

I said it once, I'll say it again
Shitshow at it's finest
@potent hatch i was thinking Dumpster fire, but shitshow works to

leaden finch
#

VRChat already got their "one time payment", except it wasnt small, and it wasnt once. Theyve received millions in donations and investments
@sly nexus Exactly. That got wasted on mansions and drinking and travels. Everything except for the game itself

humble gyro
#

Adding paywall to a unoptimized game you'd love to see it

scenic cosmos
#

I think that having to pay for in game content removes that "fair use" policy that they were claiming to avoid copyright

stable trellis
sly nexus
#

As frustrating as DMCA is, its only there to protect company's asses

ruby dust
#

also, will vrc+ update break avatars again?
@sudden agate Likely not, it's not a new SDK or anything, unless they decide to change that as well for some reason

leaden finch
#

I mean ive made a canny post under feature requests to get that price DOWN. Just up to people now to upvote that shit

knotty light
#

I think everyone here wants to love VRChat. Just really hard to after playing for years and seeing next to no improvements to the core game. In fact a lot of detrimental updates have occurred.

sly nexus
#

thousands of hours into a game that has been on a downhill grind for years

mild cradle
#

I think everyone here wants to love VRChat. Just really hard to after playing for years and seeing next to no improvements to the core game. In fact a lot of detrimental updates have occurred.
@knotty light I am upset because again, this is giving off yandere sim vibes. I feel like this will get nowhere.

urban dust
#

Why are people comparing Genshin lol its completely different.

lofty basin
#

Y'all claiming like we need lawyers but you've all seen what happens when copyright owenrs start getting pissy even when it's not within their rights

humble gyro
scenic cosmos
#

Yeah, years of playing VRC with little to no improvement, and then this paywall for content?

knotty light
#

I mean ive made a canny post under feature requests to get that price DOWN. Just up to people now to upvote that shit
@leaden finch There are "In progress" things on the Canny with a ton of upvotes that have been there since 2017

dry marsh
#

honestly, as much as people are complaining about it. it doesn't seem like there is enough to it for most people to justify buying it =/ EVERYONE is getting 25 favorite slots now, still no limit for uploading your own avatars that i know of, and the nameplate thing is just going to clutter up the screen (people might start turning nameplates off because you cant see through these ones like the old ones). Soooo, they effectively announced a paid future very few people are going to use and got everyone up in arms about paid futures in a free-to-play game (which f2p can do paid features and still work). this was just a stumble that won't be of much benefit =[ (honestly kinda sorry for the vrc team right now)

mild cradle
#

Why are people comparing Genshin lol its completely different.
@urban dust Yeah Genshin is actually good.

autumn shadow
#

its not a paywall @lean yew

leaden finch
#

@leaden finch There are "In progress" things on the Canny with a ton of upvotes that have been there since 2017
@knotty light Also a reason why to lower price AND OR just give us these things for fucking free

mild cradle
#

I mean have you guys seen the live recording of their Liyue music? Like I'm shook.

scenic cosmos
stable trellis
#

10 dollars for a premium currency that gets its value obfuscated so you dont realize how much money your spending on virtual goods? sorry but gacha systems are way more predatory than any sub system

split gull
#

The moment it releases there will probably be hacks and stuff to unlock vrc+ content for free. I'd be surprised if not.

Tho I'm probably gonna pay for it personally because I want to support the devs.
also the badge looks cool

urban dust
#

@mild cradle Okay but what does it have to do with vrc, I know its good I love it XD

lofty basin
#

@stable trellis One thing we agree on

humble gyro
#

Chilloutvr?

hushed hound
#

lmao.

frail zephyr
#

chillout?

green lava
#

Justifying gachas, lol

stable trellis
scenic cosmos
#

The funny thing here is that they deleted a few messages about chilloutVR

mild cradle
#

@mild cradle Okay but that does it have to do with vrc, I know its good I love it XD
@urban dust I am sure people are using it as comparison since they both run under unity.

frail quarry
#

dont go endorsing a competitor game that's even worse with monetization than vrchat

urban dust
#

@weary cypress But its not required to spend the $10 lol

knotty light
#

I'll support the devs when they promise to improve the games stability and security features.

leaden finch
#

The funny thing here is that they deleted a few messages about chilloutVR
@scenic cosmos Bc they know we are right

humble gyro
#

Delete my message mods-kun

green lava
#

It's only value for money if you get lucky

mild cradle
#

It's not required to buy gachas either lol.

potent hatch
#

This is just getting worse

frail quarry
#

you do realize that other game is worse right
in that one avatar features are paywalled

autumn shadow
#

@scenic cosmos its not preventing you from playing any the social app and im positive the money will be placed back into the development

carmine nebula
#

@frail quarry It's a one time payment they do which isn't bad considering it's a new game, and new games like those that just start out need to fund their servers somehow.

dawn bridge
#

they arent deleting them though lmao

scenic cosmos
mild cradle
#

But I feel more comfortable paying for a game that makes me actually emotional over how good it is. A game of 3+ years of development thats still a buggy mess....its not it.

bold fractal
#

For all of you that need to hear this, the vast majority of the performance problems that people complain about in VRC are caused by user generated content. To put it frankly a lot of users don't respect the performance of real time rendering let alone the performance demands of VR.

autumn shadow
#

its not hurting you its purely optional

scenic cosmos
#

I've tested chilloutVR alpha, and they have some cool stuff

tardy scarab
#

vrc loot box when?

mild cradle
#

Bruh I have many friends super high end systems and vrchat still be unoptimized af

leaden finch
#

For all of you that need to hear this, the vast majority of the performance problems that people complain about in VRC are caused by user generated content. To put it frankly a lot of users don't respect the performance of real time rendering let alone the performance demands of VR.
@bold fractal Better servers than spending 3 million on mansion maybe then.

novel venture
stable trellis
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exactly, if people could just get mad at the system which forces investors to force companies to squeeze every potential penny out of their consumer base maybe we get amazon to pay their taxes and we could afford i dunno free health care in america lol

frail quarry
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i dont expect anything will be a competitor to VRC until S&Box comes out because that's the gmod successor

potent hatch
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I think the real problem may be that we don't have solid communication or cooperation between the devs and the community

mild cradle
#

lmao what-

dry marsh
#

guys, i get everyone is scared that some features are becoming paid (which can open the door to it becoming worse), but honestly what they've shown is almost trivial that most people wouldn't have gotten it if it was added when vrc first released

scenic cosmos
#

So not being able to have features because I don't pay it's not a paywall? Just keep in mind they said there's more to come. Better to stop it noe before it's too late

vocal shard
#

i really like this new fortnite update for vrchat

leaden finch
#

people are getting banned for posting lemons in #vrchat-general-1
@prime ore I want ma LEMONS

hushed hound
#

LOL

tepid urchin
#

oof someone got the boot

bold fractal
mild cradle
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i mean my 2080ti intel i9-9900k with 64gbs of ram should be able to handle 99% of the garbage people make but i end up with hardstuck 30fps with a mirror in public worlds
@worthy mango It's like that for A LOT of people with high end systems

scenic cosmos
#

Just Google chilloutVR

urban dust
leaden finch
#

[Citation needed]

In all seriousness I have no clue what you alluding to here.
@bold fractal You do. The whole scandal they had with where the money went ws leaked HAH

mild cradle
#

Again it's all CPU leakage. They haven't fixed it yet.

potent hatch
#

Everything happening right now is not good

humble gyro
#

Lemon

leaden finch
#

Again it's all CPU leakage. They haven't fixed it yet.
@mild cradle Also Memory leak is back

frail zephyr
#

why not update to 2019 unity and fix ui but nah we like to break stuff

leaden finch
#

why not update to 2019 unity and fix ui but nah we like to break stuff
@frail zephyr ''Hmm.. Unity 2018.. I HAZ HAMMER BONK''

velvet ledge
#

until multithreading is enabled I will refer to this as VRCrash

sharp saddle
#

Gee, I wonder why? sansgrin

frail zephyr
#

buy ur ranks now

split gull
#

its optional to support them, they aren't taking away anything, in fact they are giving us more for free. 🤷‍♂️

mild cradle
#

Memory leaks are truly awful. Yall are funny. VRChat development after years still stinky.

hoary drift
#

The floor here is made of floor, like for real

humble gyro
#

Vrc devs b like haha money go brrrr

leaden finch
#

its optional to support them, they aren't taking away anything, in fact they are giving us more for free. 🤷‍♂️
@split gull How is me paying 10 bucks a month to get 100 free slots and a dumb icon.. FREE?

stable trellis
#

nope! buying vrc gives you a Trust boost (probably close to the amount you get for uploading an avatar once) but nothing about extra ranks or displaying ranks

mild cradle
#

Wait so it's true that you need to buy VRC+ to show your user ranks now ?
@weary cypress Maybe. But for sure let's people buy their way to having a trust rank we spen hundreds to thousands of hours working for.

potent hatch
#

Everything is unoptimized, nothing can be fixed without a rewrite, everyone is either confused or pissed, just how much worse will this get?

scenic cosmos
#

Why do you keep deleting messages?

bold fractal
#

All the polys your hardware can render, cut that in half when you are in VR, then then cut that to 1/4 when you turn a mirror on. Then be in a world with multiple user with 1 million poly + avatars. I dont care what your hardware is its not the games fault. People dont respect what poly counts mean in VR

hoary drift
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hmm so we've got the up and coming vr social platform that limits how social you can be, and people being biased for it

the people that just want them to fix vrc's issues, and the people that are just simply mad because others are mad

humble gyro
#

@ vrpill show yacht

honest glacier
#

why is it so hard to believe that rendering so many unique meshes requires a lot of overhead

inner mountain
stable trellis
river mica
#

Rekt

leaden finch
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All the polys your hardware can render, cut that in half when you are in VR, then then cut that to 1/4 when you turn a mirror on. Then be in a world with multiple user with 1 million poly + avatars. I dont care what your hardware is its not the games fault. People dont respect what poly counts mean in VR
@bold fractal Bruh i have a 20 million Poly avatar. I sit on a integrated graphics on an I3 5th gen. I DONT LAGG from that. WIth a mirror on LUL Its called OPTIMIZATION

mild cradle
#

Do. Not. Let. People. Pay. For. User. Ranks.

honest glacier
#

3000 bones????? what even

frail zephyr
#

they dont like input and the people who made vrc a thing

humble gyro
#

Dynamic bones do lag but the game is still unoptimized

gritty frost
#

only downside to neos is wroking on models in game

sharp saddle
#

Do. Not. Let. People. Pay. For. User. Ranks.
@mild cradle They. Are. Not.

potent hatch
#

This game genre is slowly descending into madness

humble gyro
#

Also... 3000 bones... wha...

limpid forge
#

Is it really that important for people to have 100 free avatar slots?

scenic cosmos
#

It would be optimized if the menu won't be sending calls every time it loads a world or a friend. Also mentioning that the friends list has been bugged like forever

mild cradle
#

@mild cradle They. Are. Not.
@sharp saddle They. Are. It literally says you get increased trust for payin in the YT vid.

split gull
#

I don't see a reason to be upset by this. Just another little riot that will pass shortly lol.
devs should maybe add slowmode to some of these chats to let it all cool down a bit

gritty frost
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im just not a big fan of it still cool though

dry marsh
#

Is it really that important for people to have 100 free avatar slots?
@limpid forge also everyone got boosted to 25 slots with this

stable trellis
# humble gyro Also... 3000 bones... wha...

3000 bone collisions, because hand colliders, body colliders, head colliders, then the CPU has to calculate every single frame between all of the dynamic bones for collision

leaden finch
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I don't see a reason to be upset by this. Just another little riot that will pass shortly lol.
devs should maybe add slowmode to some of these chats to let it all cool down a bit
@split gull Go to bed then

scenic cosmos
urban dust
verbal marsh
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the only thing that is unoptimized is the playerbase and their avatar's

vocal shard
#

bruh this better be a super late april fools joke

sharp saddle
#

Srry, what?

mild cradle
#

Srry, what?
@sharp saddle Watch the video.

leaden finch
#

HAHAAAHAHA yeah right
@urban dust Bruh i dont xD. Also seen an avatar with 16 billion max active particles. NO LAG

hoary drift
#

I'll leave for a bit, call me when yall arent having riots like it's the election all over again

vocal shard
#

🥶

honest flume
#

So by doing this Vrchat devs are saying that they are ready for the onslaught of dmca's and lawsuits for copyright infringement. We've already seen how much they do not listen to the 90% of it's community when it comes to wants and needs for this. A subscription for something that is the same as facebook/twitter/insta... only difference is that it is in a virtual space. Not worth, imo, a pay wall in any way. Let people donate... Sure.. subscription... $10 a month... this is honestly going to be the death of vrchat.

balmy wagon
#

Thank you so much for letting us have access to favouriting our avatars VRC Team.
Keep up the great work, I can't wait to see what else VRC+ gets us!!

mild cradle
#

You guys can see it at 56 seconds.

verbal marsh
#

the amount of salt here

potent hatch
#

Is anyone actually advancing here or are we all just in a loop of arguing and salt?

hoary drift
split gull
#

yup

forest roost
#

Gamers rise up

scenic cosmos
#

I think they hate lemons now, it just wasn't enough with deleting chilloutVR messages

mild cradle
#

I just think the line was crossed when you let people pay for trust.

hoary drift
#

kjjkfsjfd do yall like limes or something

gloomy remnant
#

dumb idea to not be able to hide avatars

distant ermine
#

Crashers are going to start using alts and paying to get trusted user to do more malicious stuff faster
@ashen adder sounds like easy money

honest glacier
#

lemons have nothing to do w/ the topic at hand, you trolls :P
The 100 avatars thing seems silly,

autumn shadow
#

vrc+ isnt a paywall its not blocking you from playing the game what so ever and those who say rip vrchat is a 4head

humble gyro
#

Chilloutvr and lemons get you banned. More news later at 12

limpid forge
#

Are people here also mad at other bigger companies using Microtransactions in their game?

frail zephyr
#

go to the open beta and look at there stuff

mild cradle
#

They don't know how to respond to their community so they just hide and ignore our opinions.

scenic cosmos
inner mountain
#

otw to their discord

hoary drift
#

oh they just hate all fruit, mentions of competitors, and the salt from them making something inferior the community doesnt like

humble gyro
#

Apparently some chilloutvr comments are getting deleted

autumn shadow
#

Keeps features away from you.
@scenic cosmos what feature?

regal jackal
#

cant wait for chillout vr

mild cradle
#

Listen to yourselves. The majority of VRChat players are against it.

limpid forge
#

Keeping features away isn't a wall that prevents you from using the service.

vocal shard
#

vrc+ needs to go

flint sedge
#

am sorry but i will never pay a 100$ to have vrchat plus for a year it money stole

potent hatch
#

I really want to say it a third time

hoary drift
#

it sure has, im gonna have to agree

scenic cosmos
#

Uploading custom icons. ChilloutVR has this for free btw...

inner mountain
#

wow they turn off emojis MODS BE DAMGE CONTROL

autumn shadow
#

cool its garbage

misty sequoia
#

i just wanna turn down loud people bruhh

mild cradle
#

What's up with CVR? Can someone tell me more about it?
@weary cypress It's beautiful like a sunset on the beach.

silver helm
#

also neos have cutom icons

waxen citrus
#

I know people are mad and what not, but being honest you cannot rely on investors forever. It would be nice if they had a one time payment option but still, investor money only lasts so long...

humble gyro
#

Oh yeah i want individual voice sliders

nova kindle
#

Just sayin they are using a feature some people already did, like the custom nameplates, banned people that used it. And now you can pay for it, like woha?

leaden finch
#

also neos have cutom icons
@silver helm Yes and we dont ppay for that LUL

frail zephyr
#

i wish i can send screenshots of the increase your rank by paying

gritty frost
#

can we not put emotes on messages now?

honest glacier
#

When did this get announced? Pretty much just earlier today?

zinc gorge
#

no

limpid forge
#

Some people here just want 100 avatar slots for free I think.

verbal marsh
#

that is wrong in neos you dont get custom icons you get custom nameplates

urban dust
mortal perch
cosmic sable
#

DON’T PAY!

hoary drift
#

If yall are so for these other social vr spaces, why don't you go hang out there instead of bitching about it here tbh
its clear that "they don't listen", youre just wasting your time talking to a wall

scenic cosmos
humble gyro
#

Some friends are louder than others

vocal shard
#

vrc plus is dumb

leaden finch
#

Some people here just want 100 avatar slots for free I think.
@limpid forge Or just 50. That would also be fine. Or keep the 100 and lower the price to half

limpid forge
#

VRC+ is just like Discord Nitro.

mild cradle
#

Think about it. Custom nameplates, unlimited avatars, etc. These are things that can get you banned. And now. YOu can pay for custom nameplates and 100 avatar slots.

flint sedge
#

why we need to pay damnit

vocal shard
#

vrc+ is straight cringe

autumn shadow
#

So? Even if it's the silliest feature it should be available for everyone. Just make a donation model and that's it
@scenic cosmos do you freak out everytime a developer releases a pre-purchase skin for a gun or character?

hoary drift
#

again, did yall freak out when nitro was released lol

potent hatch
#

This is an actual problem threatening the game and everyone is more or less to blame, either arguing or being ignorant

limpid forge
#

No one is forced to pay.

tawny delta
#

why spend money on something that you can get for free.....

terse valley
#

V Coins Lets go

scenic cosmos
mild cradle
#

Nitro actually was decent tho-

honest glacier
#

true, there is a bit of inherent hypocrisy here

hoary drift
#

nitro is the same nonsense though, for the same price

humble gyro
#

I pay 5 bucks for nitro whats your point

silver helm
#

nitro is a joke, only is usseful if you have a big server

vocal shard
#

Nitro is very useful

knotty light
#

The only promising thing about the trailer for VRChat Plus... was that throwback to the old wormhole loading screen the game used to have.

autumn shadow
#

What the heck are you talking about?
@scenic cosmos when ever there is a dlc or a skin for a game do you freak out because you have to pay for it?

tepid urchin
#

Keeping features away isn't a wall that prevents you from using the service.
@limpid forge but when people judge or ignore other users who dont use the service, will you say that then?

cosmic sable
#

They made VRC+ to earn money though they don’t care VRC optimize situation!

tawny delta
#

true

scenic cosmos
autumn shadow
#

chillout is garbage

mild cradle
#

No one is forced too but it allows people AGAIN to pay for trust. That's wrong. Pay for features people got banned for having. That's wrong. Think about it. It's not about if people have to pay or not. It's the features they are including.

leaden finch
#

Awh we cant react with emojis now HAH

humble gyro
#

Uhhhr duhhr imagine paying for a game that keeps getting new bugs and never fixing them

limpid forge
#

but when people judge or ignore other users who dont use the service, will you say that then?
@tepid urchin Does that also happen to Discord Nitro users?

outer slate
#

there is no winning. its vrc you always loose with every update XD

potent hatch
#

I'm actually starting to feel like I'm the only competent one here

silver helm
#

you need vrc+ to be able to use lemons

autumn shadow
#

You can't compare because WE make the content in this game.
@scenic cosmos but THEY produce the infrastructure

dry marsh
#

you do realize you can still upload as many avatars as you want =/ (i don't know of a limit for self-uploaded avatars) so if you can get the model, you can still use as many as you want. the favorites only effects ones you find in-game (i may be biased though because i create all mine, so i don't know what everyone else's idea on this is...)

valid kernel
#

@tepid urchin Does that also happen to Discord Nitro users?
@limpid forge Yes... it does.

vocal shard
distant ermine
#

but when people judge or ignore other users who dont use the service, will you say that then?
@tepid urchin people already judge you based on trust rank so it's not going to be very different

scenic cosmos
honest glacier
#

@tepid urchin a bad choice in general that will reduce overall community size, and potentially problematic from all the assets from other things that have been uploaded...

limpid forge
#

Yes... it does.
@valid kernel I've never seen it happen before.

humble gyro
#

Really feelin like the biggest brains huh

mild cradle
#

Listen to your community VRChat devs. Please. YOu are going to lose so many people to CVR and you know it. Please just listen to the community for once in your lives and use those millions you probably wasted.

autumn shadow
#

So you agree with my point
@scenic cosmos no thats not what im saying we didnt creat vrc they did they keep updating 3.0 and udon we dont

tepid urchin
#

@tepid urchin a bad choice in general that will reduce overall community size, and potentially problematic from all the assets from other things that have been uploaded...
@honest glacier I agree

hasty nacelle
#

@graceful furnace Every update is tightening the noose on its players
agreed

knotty light
#

I'm actually starting to feel like I'm the only competent one here
@potent hatch Hey now! You have to subscribe to VRChat Plus before you act that Elitest.

crimson apex
#

I don't understand all of the hate and there are some dumb points here from users. I think this should have been announced a bit better and at a lower price

outer slate
#

Id pay 10$ for the game but I aint payin no subscription fee for a broken game XD

grim bough
#

yup

misty sequoia
#

facs

gritty frost