idk it doesn't matter in the end anyways
#vrchat-general-2
modern hill
vocal shard
I don’t do worlds
white warren
Me take many ofanse
vocal shard
I do avatars
white warren
English 100
modern hill
i just do worlds now because i find avatars boring
vocal shard
Trust ranks are dumb
white warren
Yeah true
vocal shard
Increases competitiveness and elitism
modern hill
well their not
white warren
The system sux too
modern hill
there should only be 3 ranks
vocal shard
I’m all for safety and stuff
vocal shard
But the trust ranks don’t have a place vrchat is a social game not a fucking rpg
modern hill
well to prevent pll from uploading and just make new accounts
white warren
You can loose a rank too
broken plover
anything beyond user rank is pretty much useless
modern hill
yes if u get blocked enough times u'll get the nicence rank
broken plover
you need new user for avatars and user for worlds. Anything after that doesnt have a use
white warren
The most bs thing is that I think I am a glitch
modern hill
i mean kinda true but i guess it's to reward the pll that spends time in the game
white warren
Because if I look in vrcx I can see that I am veteran etf
modern hill
unlike me who got it after 200 hours lmao
vocal shard
I used to be veteran
broken plover
do you have "appear as user" enabled by any chance?
white warren
No u didnt
No I am known
Pot how did you go down al the way from veteran to user
You have had to do some mad shit
vocal shard
I wish they got rid of the trust ranks keep the safety options and boom it’s all good
Long story
white warren
Na trust ranks are good tho
It helps people to see if which they should have a bit more trust in when they first meet
broken plover
you kinda need the trust ranks for the safety options to properly work tho
white warren
Like 80% of visitors are just trolling
vocal shard
I think that the idea of trust ranks are good but the execution and how they are treated in game is bad
white warren
They just changed it
vocal shard
I’ve seen way to many times new users and visitors getting harassed only because of their rank
white warren
Like a few weeks ago
modern hill
Oofie
white warren
That will always happen that people diss someone or that they never want to speak to them just because they are visitor but humans are a mistake it’s never going to be fair in life there is always atleast one person of which they will be mistreated because of their rank!!!
||-FACS-||
waxen portal
thats why u can show as user
static flax
Honestly even if the ranking system stopped at user I think visitor and new user would still get harassed. Just up to you to not be a dick
waxen portal
mhm
static flax
Then we agree, that's good 
modern hill
distant crater
🐒
monkey.
balmy lotus
Yo where can I find an itachi avatar for pc and quest
drifting granite
Sup
steady pendant
i never look at the rank. There are annoying people who are "visitors" just as there are annoying people that are "trusted user" and the other way around.
vocal shard
Anyone wanna play some games in drinking night? :))
scarlet jacinth
Does anyone recommend vr headsets ?
ruby needle
what is your budget
vocal shard
$300 oculus quest 2 (facebook required)
$600 HP reverb g2 (coming next month)
$1000 valve index (long waiting list)
mighty nest
new vr capable gpu coming in today, now have to save for a headset >_>
languid beacon
The waiting list for Valve Index should be down to 3 weeks FYI
They resolved their manufacturing shortages
ruby burrow
Do we have any new info on the Reverb G2 controller concerns? Regarding VRC gestures?
mellow palm
600 dollars huh
I think its stupid to use inside out tracking on such an expensive headset tbh
sleek sparrow
get the vive cosmos elite. its what i use.
sleek sparrow
dont listen to the trolls. its a meme to say vive bad
regal furnace
the cosmos is overpriced
for just 100 bucks more you can get the much better index
sleek sparrow
its got a higher resolution tjan the index iirc
regal furnace
not a lot
sleek sparrow
index isnt wireless
mellow palm
Im angry what htc did to itself
jovial kestrel
Valve customer support alone makes the index better than the cosmos.
mellow palm
if they would have just developed the htc vive further make it better in every aspect but not changing everything about it that would be heaven
sleek sparrow
believe it and buy it when i see it. until then, htc already did it
mellow palm
like what facebook did from the quest to the quest two
same price (or even lower) but better tech
but no htc decided to apparently fucking yolo it
sleek sparrow
i mean the cosmos elite was only 700 to upgrade. starter kits are on par with ondex kits
regal furnace
you still get 1.0 BS and the old vive wands
sleek sparrow
no its 2.0
vocal shard
$1
languid beacon
Vive is the lowest resolution headset, to me that qualifies as bad. There are people perfectly happy with it, it’s just way too blurry for me.
mellow palm
From anyome who knows an ounce about vr ive only heard bad things about the cosmos and such
sleek sparrow
i had to buy 2.0 to even boot the cosmos
regal furnace
cosmos elite comes with 2 1.0 BS and 2 1.0 Wands
sleek sparrow
they are index fanboys
mellow palm
Vive is the lowest resolution headset, to me that qualifies as bad. There are people perfectly happy with it, it’s just way too blurry for me.
@languid beacon
its low now and its still a good option to get into vr
languid beacon
You mean the vive pro?
languid beacon
So what you were saying as you wish the Vive pro was called the Vive 2 instead? I’m confused 
mellow palm
I dont see the vive pro as a true successor tbh
its too expensive for what it gives you
languid beacon
Do you see the quest 2 as a true successor
mellow palm
quest 2 in relation to quest 1?
yes
an upgrade in nearly every way and still similar price
ruby burrow
The Vive Pro is essentially what the Vive 2 should be, except without the obnoxiously artificial price tag.
languid beacon
Quest 2 feels along the lines of a PS4 Pro in terms of upgrades it’s not really a new console. No exclusive games
mellow palm
(Im not counting in all the facebook bulshit of course)
broken plover
Quest 2 is faster, higher res and refresh rate. Vive pro? Just higher resolution really...
mellow palm
gotta be a bit more specific hun a lot of people talkin
ruby burrow
If the literal OG Vive was still being produced, with just a slightly higher res screen, and the deluxe strap included by default, it would easily be one of the best headsets on offer.
languid beacon
I was given fanart because I always say no when invited to VRChat https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744373028959289436/773583852093702214/image0.jpg
mellow palm
If the literal OG Vive was still being produced, with just a slightly higher res screen, and the deluxe strap included by default, it would easily be one of the best headsets on offer.
this
squishy I one hundred percent agree
ruby burrow
Change literally nothing spare the screen and sell it at $600 or less, and it would sell to the VRC community like hotcakes.
mellow palm
450
gotta compete with shit
and it just needs to rival the quest but with better refresh rate
ruby burrow
Honestly yes, but even at 600. Would be easy to recomend.
$200 is a small enough gap to win people over from Oculus, whilst $400 is a big enough gap to win people from Valve.
If the price could be lower, even better.
slate sapphire
Are there peeps doing avatar commissions? 🥺👉👈 or is there a chat for it?
ruby burrow
@slate sapphire Check the #community-servers-old channel for the VRC-Traders discord. It's right at the top.
languid beacon
I mean when it comes to lighthouse tracking we still need a good high resolution OLED screen that isn’t overpriced.
ruby burrow
A whole discord dedicated to commissions.
slate sapphire
Mucho thanks
mellow palm
i mean even though the resolution is low id still buy a vive as my first headset
cheapest one after quest (used)
languid beacon
Did the price drop on vive’s or something?
ruby burrow
Yeah. Even today, if Vive were still on sale at it's old $500 price point (before they started clearance sales), it'd be competitive for VRC players even with the old low res screen.
languid beacon
Or are they still 499 becssue that’s a pretty bad wrap
I have to disagree even if they put a better screen on it you’re still getting controllers with no analog sticks
mellow palm
used ones go for 300 to 400
will probably get one of those
but id have to get them personally and test them out firstly of course
ruby burrow
I'm not actually a fan of sticks that much. Though depends on the game perhaps.
mellow palm
which makes stuff a bit difficult since I dont have a drivers licence yet
languid beacon
Index users whine about their analog sticks being squeaky and stuff but then there is Vive that doesn’t even have any at all
broken plover
what they have is bugged vive controls in vrchat
ruby burrow
The only issue with the Vive track pads was a minor design flaw that led to faults. Would be 100% fixable. (Perhaps they have fixed it in newer ones even. I wouldn't know.)
languid beacon
what they have is bugged vive controls in vrchat
@broken plover I cant imagine how annoying 3.0 gesture are on vive without a analog stick. How does that even work?
broken plover
you hold menu button to open the radial menu and then just select the stuff with the touchpad, kinda like in pavlov's buy menu. But with bugged controls I mean something different
Normally, when you hold down a gesture with the trigger or the grip for example, you can move around just fine. But ever since the 3.0 update released, when you press the touchpad, it resets the gesture to the idle gesture
ruby burrow
3.0 works fine. You just move your thumb round the pad same as you would a stick.
scarlet jacinth
@ruby needle my budget is like £400, was looking at the oculus quest 2 though
dk if its any good
ruby burrow
Aside from the durability fault in the pads, the Vive wands main issues in my eyes were...
- A lack of additional buttons, which meant that the pad was over stretched on how many controls devs had to squeeze into it.
- The forward heavy sensor design, which probably could have been pulled back a bit.
- The lack of specific ergonomic design. Personally I don't actually have any issue with this myself, and find them more comfortable to use than the Index controllers. But I also have large hands and know plenty of people gripe about this, so can't not include it.
I've always wished the Index controllers still had a circular pad on them alongside the stick, like the prototype controllers had, kinda WMR style.
The little non clickable pill shaped thing they switched to is awful.
languid beacon
I don’t use the touchpad at all I would’ve rather had an extra face button or two. All the pill does is make my screen scroll by accident on UIs
ruby burrow
My ideal controller/VRC control scheme, would have Index style finger tracking, but with a Vive style pad to control gesture based animations. (eg, facial expression, props, etc).
languid beacon
As long as it still has an analog stick it’s gravy
halcyon ember
anyone know is the Hub from 2018/2019 still exist in VRChat or they deleted it completely?
vocal shard
hello evryone
regal furnace
i think it still exists
vocal shard
can anyone help me with vrchat? i'm a total beginner
regal furnace
just ask ^^
halcyon ember
i think it still exists
@regal furnace I don't know
I like them much more ;-;
this Hub from 2017 and 2018 and 2019
old hubs
regal furnace
the current hub sucks imo
halcyon ember
yeah
languid beacon
The old hubs are still around I think, or at least a imitation or recreation of them
I have seen people in a world just called “Old Hub”
regal furnace
same for the loading screen
languid beacon
Oh the old loading music was lovely. Partially Offline, by Andrea Baroni
regal furnace
i want it back
halcyon ember
yeah
languid beacon
cold talon
such a fitting name for the song too
covert blade
Since when have they been using the current loading screen?
regal furnace
late 2018 i think
covert blade
Ah, because I started mid 2019
covert blade
So I never actually knew the old loading screen, or the time where trust ranks or differently colored nameplates weren't a thing
halcyon ember
I started 2017
cold talon
still remember the crash gun craze, oh such memories
regal furnace
it was good times, not being discriminated because you are new
languid beacon
I started May 2018 and feel like Partially Offline was there for a long while
halcyon ember
at start
languid beacon
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/27574735/0ca02f4feebd51ea4939f8660faccb3feadb2d95.png
@halcyon ember thats the one I joined! With the apples that you could pick off trees and eat but they’d respawn in hand because they only went invisible
regal furnace
honestly, if i would have to choose between 2018 vrchat in desktopmode and 2020 vrchat with index and full body, id choose 2018 vrchat anytime
languid beacon
Nope nope nope
I joined back in 2018 because I knew eventually stuff like udon and avatar 3 would be possible if I stuck around
I’m here for the future possibilities :)
halcyon ember
yeah
languid beacon
Vrchat golden era hasn’t even started yet. The good old days that we will look back on, are in the future
We are all early adopters on this blessed day
regal furnace
if the average age is 10 and bugs keep getting through into release builds, its gonna be a rough future
languid beacon
Well it does help find bugs faster .. :D
regal furnace
also makes it harder to enjoy
languid beacon
Beta needs a way to find other users easier. I’d hang there and test more if it wasn’t so isolating
regal furnace
yup
languid beacon
Maybe some kind of status on friends list so everyone knows they can’t get to you
I guess they don’t wanna change too many things for a beta build 
languid beacon
Who is the uploader
halcyon ember
vrchat XD
covert blade
Would it really be a huge change to have some sort of indicator for people being online in beta? Especially because there will be many many many maaany more betas in the future?
languid beacon
I just put it as my custom status. I’m thinking they could just make a world that is named and exclusively for meeting up with other people on beta
So nearly every instance of that world will be people on beta
regal furnace
isnt there the Beta Hub or something like that?
languid beacon
Is there?
covert blade
Not that I would know
languid beacon
News to me. I use the Avatar 3.0 world by Tupper and get one or two people there
regal furnace
nvm, it was the AV3 hub
covert blade
Yeah that was out when it was still in beta but AV3 is on live now
languid beacon
But it’s usually just a random visitor that is inexplicably on the beta version wondering why they are alone
covert blade
I think there were a good bunch of people on beta just for that, somehow worked out when that became a thing
What is that symbol Adeon?
languid beacon
DX.
IOS discord app + using Siri to speech to text = corrupted data inserted. I cannot see those symbols.
languid beacon
Yes every time I use Siri to talk it will insert an invisible character I can’t see but everyone else can see
north hemlock
Also back when then Uganda Knuckles were an actual thing
drowsy thicket
new to the server, havent touched vrchat in about 2 years, is there any supported clients to help make VR run better? also someone i met was talking about a client that's supported that allows people to interact with dinamic bone of others?
regal furnace
when ugandan knuckles was relevant
modded clients are against the TOS and can get you banned
covert blade
@drowsy thicket Modding the game is against the ToS
regal furnace
also welcome back then ^^
covert blade
And discussing it here is against the rules too possibly I think?
regal furnace
you can talk about it, but dont mention any particular clients, how to do it or anything like that
languid beacon
new to the server, havent touched vrchat in about 2 years, is there any supported clients to help make VR run better? also someone i met was talking about a client that's supported that allows people to interact with dinamic bone of others?
@drowsy thicket everyone using those modified clients are breaking the rules and will probably eventually get banned when they inevitably do something that makes themselves get detected. It’s the street drugs of vrchat. Don’t go with them I have random friends I know use them and they get banned and I just roll my eyes.
regal furnace
i cant even feel sad for them honestly
languid beacon
They should get reset to visitors lol
covert blade
regal furnace
instant nuisance would be funny
vocal shard
hi everyone i want ask u a thing can be added an italian channel pls?
north hemlock
Modified clients? What are those even, like what can they do with those
sleek sparrow
people fly around and shit. it doesn't ruin anything per se due to the nature of the game, but still frowned upon. i try to report em when i see em
obv game worlds its no good
languid beacon
Modified clients? What are those even, like what can they do with those
@north hemlock shouldn’t even be discussing them here just know that if someone says they can do things that you can’t because they’re using some sort of program or alternate version of the game they are breaking the rules and don’t do it.
covert blade
The Devouring was broken a lot by people modding the game and moving around in ways that weren't supposed to be possible
covert blade
Oh noes I teleported all over the place, map broke, plz fix
polar jasper
People even sent end screenshots with them using it 😅
languid beacon
Yeah I am amazed how many people send me screenshots and even videos where they’re clearly using a modified client. I’ve even seen screenshots posted here and on canny.
covert blade
Ya know, if yar breaking the ToS, at least don't make it so obvious ><
That's about as stupid as taking your naked avatar out for a walk in a public instance
There's a lot of people with avatars like that, but only the stupid will use it outside of private worlds where no one would care ><
languid beacon
Canny is just the ultimate facepalm yes you’re reporting a bug for a program that the devs didn’t even make
sleek sparrow
i mean its a free game thats easy to multi account. no one is gonna care if you see
sleek sparrow
and people def will use naked in public. they don't care if they get banned, if it means they can take a lobby of streamers with em
covert blade
That's not how that works
languid beacon
Man I would like curl up and die if I lost my only social outlet lol. People just don’t value their accounts.
sleek sparrow
yes it is. how will streamers not het bamned from twitch? lol
covert blade
Streamers aren't responsible for other people like that
Yes they will have to delete the VOD and have to look away from it / block instantly
sleek sparrow
still a chance
covert blade
But streamers aren't getting banned for it
sleek sparrow
not from vrc no
languid beacon
Yeah it doesn’t endanger the streamers what it does is endanger VRchat itself getting blocked from twitch just like second life currently is.
sleek sparrow
well another win for trolls
all the more reason for them to continue
also what emote is that at the end of your posts? its just a generic obj character for me lol
languid beacon
Oh my God people are asking me this every five minutes I think I should just stop talking
halcyon ember
OBJ
sleek sparrow
well my android is 5 years old so it probably doesn't support it
languid beacon
IOS discord app + using Siri to speech to text = corrupted data inserted. I cannot see those symbols.
Apple needs to fix their 💩
sleek sparrow
notes that on list of reasons why ios sucks
languid beacon
Technically it’s probably discord’s fault but still
covert blade
Thats minor though
sleek sparrow
maybe. i don't use stt caise talking to machines is weird
languid beacon
Well whether you talk to them or type to them it’s the same thing to me
sleek sparrow
look, any reason for me to shit on ios is a positive for me lel
languid beacon
I’m talking to you all, not my phone
sleek sparrow
you are telling your phone what to write, which is then relaying it to us. that extra lauer doesn't exist if you type yourself
languid beacon
Well you do the same thing with your fingers as they push letters :p
languid beacon
I find it more natural, and quicker, to just reply with my voice
Sorry for the little corrupt symbol at the end of my messages in the meantime
sleek sparrow
ive had nothing but trouble with dictation software over the last 20 years. its not natural enough yet
languid beacon
It was pretty awful when I first started using it but it’s had like five years to get used to my voice now
sleek sparrow
thats the thing. i shouldn't have yo train it. i dont have to train a keyboard :p
languid beacon
Well that’s the future of AI, they need to be trained
covert blade
Wow two corrupt symbols
sleek sparrow
and ill start using it once its done being trained
covert blade
But your voice is different from other people's voice
languid beacon
 yeah the whole idea is that it needs to be trained on your specific voice
If I give my phone to someone else and they try to use it it won’t work right
sleek sparrow
are you saying you jave to train yourself to understand others?
covert blade
I'm saying that voice recognition software gets better at understanding your specific voice the longer you talk to it
sleek sparrow
but humans dont have to practice listening to specific voices
covert blade
Humans =/= Machines
sleek sparrow
so ill wait for ai to catch up
languid beacon
Actually they do, it took your entire childhood
sleek sparrow
to learn English yes
but if i walk up to a random stranger, i can engage in conversation instantly
languid beacon
And your brain has many more neurons than a neural network, and has had decades of training 
sleek sparrow
and ai will eventually catch up as its trained
umbral reef
Your brain doesnt have literal billions of training examples and working power of thousands of humans a second 😳
languid beacon
True AI will always need training just like people do
sleek sparrow
i see no reason why voice recognition cant be like star trek's eventually. then i will embrace it 100%
languid beacon
It’s entirely possible something like that can get a good enough as a baseline without individual training, if they make it trained on a wide enough range of people and cloud source it, which I bet Siri does already anyway
sleek sparrow
well my xbox and ps4 cant understand me so for now im not gonna bother
languid beacon
But they can’t put that entire thing on your phone
sleek sparrow
sure they could someday
languid beacon
Like automated cars: they don’t have to be safe, they just need to be safer than a human. In my case speech to text doesn’t have to be perfect, it just has to be more accurate than typing, and for me it definitely is. Lol
covert blade
Imagine the sorts of problems when an automatically driving car causes an accident
Who'd be at fault?
languid beacon
 The driver
Fully automated cars are already legal here in America and yes the driver is fully at fault. They are to be aware at all times and they can override instantly at any time. So yeah they are still at fault. 
covert blade
For me it like, I've been typing so much on phone and keyboard and dont really like voice controlled things at all that I am fast and accurate enough just typing it
languid beacon
Typing on your phone or not being attentive in general while driving is illegal at least here in Arizona, and that applies even if the car is self driving.
So all those YouTube videos of someone driving a self driving car and looking at his passenger and not even being mindful of the road, is actually legally reckless driving 
covert blade
Though as far as I know, in most cars that have systems like that, it is more of a driving assistance rather than full self driving
Unless something happened recently that I dont know about 
languid beacon
Yep even Tesla‘s which are fully automated you could get to your Destiination with your eyes closed and not touch anything, but in the event you do touch anything, you’re instantly overriding it
covert blade
Are they fully automated though? Last time I checked, it's not actually a true auto pilot. It can stay on its lane and keep distance, accelerate, break, change lanes on a highway
covert blade
There was a video showing a Tesla fully automatic but as far as I know, that feature wasn't available for customers at the time
Which is why it is incredibly important to pay attention to everything around you and what your car is doing because it can't do everything, and will struggle especially when road markings are either missing or of poor quality
But that was like a year ago I think, maybe that's different now
covert blade
I think there was even a disclaimer somewhere that Tesla's autopilot is only a driver assistance and should not be confused with the car being able to go from Point A to Point B completely on its own
I do remember that some people were pushing the limits by having it on autopilot and then being on the passenger seat like an idiot
languid beacon
Imagine if Elon Musk engineered a vr headset
@oink_says...#5261 limited run baseballcap, limited run flamethrower, then limited run VR headset. Imagine.
covert blade
12k users online
slate sapphire
There was an accident where the auto break didn’t trigger after a transport truck pulled out infront of it.
Pretty wack
languid beacon
musk is one of those random merchants in a video game that only has one item on rotation but it’s random and exclusive 
slate sapphire
@languid beacon lol
covert blade
Just find people ingame lol
languid beacon
If people are here instead of VRChat, they probably have a reason they are here instead of VRChat. Lol
slate sapphire
Oml, do you want my social security number as well?
Lol jk jk
I get off around 17:00, and I’m over in Washington State
slate sapphire
Yee it just send me to a login page lol
covert blade
And that channel URL probably points towards a server you're not in too
Oh they gone now
covert blade
They were probably underaged tbh
deft temple
Yikes
slate sapphire
Oop
jade tartan
the game is broken again
north hemlock
What are you guys' opinion on mutes? Out of curiosity
plucky umbra
I am usually a mute, i wave and hug and show people thinga in vrchat and it seems to work well
I talk every now and then but people tend make fun of my voice
plucky umbra
Its becUse im 17 and sound like a 4 year old
Plus i use furry skins so it doesnt really help
broken plover
how do you sound like 4 when youre 17
tough ether
I like being a mute, its fun getting your words across with hand signals and drawing, etc
also does anyone know when todays update will get pushed?
plucky umbra
Whats the update??
plucky umbra
Ah i see
north hemlock
I've been a mute for a few days it's nice but certainly isn't as efficient for communicating
Plus I don't know sign language so it's difficult 😄
I wanna learn though
north hemlock
Do you have an avatar with one?
I tried an avatar with an integrated pen but dang it felt so awkward to write
plucky umbra
Nah just worlds with pens in it
molten tartan
were can i get a super saiyan avatar
wicked ferry
hey just a question, why can't I see some characters in vr chat even though I click them and set it to view character
strange arch
I like using the pens ÙwÚ
@plucky umbra I read penis... ||ÒwÓ||
vocal shard
hi
plucky umbra
O3O you have mistaken sir
vocal shard
hi
vale rapids
What do these errors mean?
Cannot send op: Selected channel (254)>= channelCount(254)
coral pasture
somebody banned me for no reason smh
languid beacon
Oh is that a thing? Yeah I’ve been unable to clone avatars for a while
Didn’t really care just thought it was odd
sleek sparrow
theres some issues with avatar basic functions in recent updates. sometimes they never load, are not in the player's position, people getting robots when their settings allow thst avatar, etc
jovial kestrel
If the user has cloning on and their avatar cannot be cloned, try blocking the avatar. The cloning button may work while the avatar is blocked, but unfortunately the bug still exists.
sleek sparrow
people clone mine so i guess im not getting that problem. have had several occasions of avatars stuck loading at 100%
coral pasture
thx @jovial kestrel
cold talon
Why does blocking the avatar fix the issue tho 🤔
sleek sparrow
because game programming is dumb
and bugs occur in dumb ways
its possible that it's skipping a check when the avatar is unblocked, or unintentionally triggering a bool when blocked
sleek sparrow
vr of course
jovial kestrel
It's one of the most inconsistent bugs I've seen.
coral pasture
dammit i want a vr, im stuck playign on pc rip
sleek sparrow
i didnt spend 2 grand on vr equipment for nothing
cold talon
That's the thing it's super inconsistent
coral pasture
am i the only one who plays this game bc of the boys??
inland knot
2k?
sleek sparrow
yeah
sleek sparrow
700 cdn for vive cosmos elite, 400 for lighthouse 2, 400 for body trackers, 400 for wireless, 150 for trackstraps, 20 dollars for velcro, 5 for usb, and 200 for batteries
inland knot
so pointless stuff, got it
slate sapphire
The tracks are like 500 bucks themselves lol
jovial kestrel
I've spend roughly the same, minus the batteries
broken plover
the cosmos elite already has lighthouses tho
slate sapphire
I would absolutely love to have full body, but I have no idea how to build a PC for it
Or find a decent prebuilt one lol
pseudo basalt
It's pretty pointless if you don't play vrchat a whole lot tho
inland knot
even then, youre just sitting down in fbt
pseudo basalt
people usually float lying down
nimble kettle
@slate sapphire whats your prebuild budget
slate sapphire
I love dancing and I want to be able to express that better in vr. I definitely play a lot lmao
Errr $1600 is a decent budget for me
I could go a big higher but I don’t want to spend more than 2k on it
broken plover
1k is even enough for a decent build if you don't want to go full rgb on all components and just go for pure performance
slate sapphire
So processor and graphic cards basically?
pseudo basalt
Without pc you get a pretty meh experience
Being unable to see a lot of people and a lot of worlds
odd blaze
no pc , no pc avatars/world 😋
vocal shard
can we stop with this vr chat p#rn on the public rooms? like report them?
pseudo basalt
Report with proof and they'll get banned
peak elk
I’m having a hard time finding an answer for this but why does my screen go black with a face in the middle and it’s playing terrible/offensive music. I can’t move or anything and have to open task manager to shut it down. It happened again earlier but this time it was a figure with red eyes and what sounded like. A child screaming constantly.
odd blaze
You have an avatar with that stuff on it, reset it
peak elk
What do you mean? My avatar is pretty clean. It’s a gecko.
It rarely happens but when it does it super annoying and loud.
I was in the summer rooftop world and I was the only person in there. Someone came in and ran straight towards me and that’s when my screen went black with a face in the middle and terrible music played.
My screen seemed locked and I had to restart the application
pseudo basalt
That was their avatar doing it
Disable animations for people in the safety settings and it won't happen anymore
modern hill
i mean u should probably disable shaders, as what if it's the standard state to Fu** with pll
odd blaze
oh that, yes never have animations on for non friends or you get annoying stuff like "has entered the lobby"
modern hill
and there is no way to turn of audio
exept in the menu
has entered the lobby isn't a custom animation it's a audio source
so turning off that wont help u
peak elk
Ah, ok thank you. I’ll go ahead and do that. It’s the biggest turn off about the game/community.
slate sapphire
Yee I agree, gladly it doesn’t seem to last long
languid beacon
It’s absolutely not allowed, so report it if you see it. That stuff gets heavy moderations.
Only if unreported
Welcome to the internet
north hemlock
I mean if people want to do it at least have the decency of going private haha
Even so it's not allowed, so...
modern hill
Reee, how r u supposed to report them/get proof
Without recording them which is gross
languid beacon
If it’s not bothering you there’s no need to report it
sleek sparrow
...you seriously thought people werent r34ing in vr chat?
modern hill
I've had pll join my lobby while touching them selfes doesn't feel comfortable lol
sleek sparrow
i just point and laugh
modern hill
But i don't have the heart to record because that's just ewww
languid beacon
Well I mean people making you uncomfortable doesn’t necessarily mean they are breaking the rules. The rules are pretty clear. Check community guidelines.
modern hill
Moaning while jacking off isn't breaking the community gidelines, if that's possible then idk what breakes the rules anymore lmao
But i guess the best option is just to run
sleek sparrow
i mean you have the option of leaving too
languid beacon
Yeah I would agree with you and if you feel convicted to do so I would’ve recorded and reported it
But in all honestly I’d have just blocked them
modern hill
Tru dat
sleek sparrow
imo too much work to report if you have to provide proof
languid beacon
It’s the only safe way to go about.
sleek sparrow
sure but if i have to do work ill just let em have their fun
languid beacon
Blocking is win win. You don’t hear them, and they don’t see you creeping
modern hill
U can still see their hitbox lol
sleek sparrow
thats why i dont block lel
languid beacon
Unless something has changed when I block people I don’t see their Hitbox at all it’s the same as them not even existing
north hemlock
You don't see anything if you block afaik
modern hill
If u open ur menu and point
sleek sparrow
yeah how are you seeing them?
north hemlock
If you hide avatar then you see the basic robot avatar thing
languid beacon
There is hide, mute, and block. Block just makes them not exist at all.
north hemlock
^
sleek sparrow
of course they can still interact with the world
languid beacon
Also you stop existing for them
modern hill
If i block someone their still there if i poknt, no nameplate no avatar just a box if i figure out where they r and point at them
languid beacon
of course they can still interact with the world
@sleek sparrow you won’t see it
modern hill
Tru
languid beacon
I suppose it depends on how they networked the objects for ownership
sleek sparrow
i mean menus and global interactives
languid beacon
But if the person you blocked has ownership of the object, you won’t see the updates
modern hill
There has also been a bunch of bugs recently
north hemlock
Still though, I guess I'm surprised but also not surprised that this happens in VRChat lol
vocal shard
sleek sparrow
in smart karaoke, blocked players can still use the keypad
languid beacon
Even if the Blocked person is the host?
languid beacon
Interesting
sleek sparrow
the keypad is global
languid beacon
I assume your client would reject all messages from the person you blocked, but I guess it still accepts some data 
languid beacon
Yes I am aware. and they are hitting buttons and telling your client that they are hitting buttons and your client is listening 
sleek sparrow
you punch in numbers to pick songs. thatd be hell if one person blocking you stopped you from using it
i could troll a whole room by simply blocking them,
if you idra was how it worked
languid beacon
I wasn’t aware of this behavior, I thought VR chat was pretty much entirely locally run with sync updates from other players 
sleek sparrow
you didn't know there were global objects...?
languid beacon
Every object has an owner
sleek sparrow
i dunno what makes you think that
have you never been to game rooms or video worlds?
languid beacon
Because I’ve made worlds and set them up
sleek sparrow
even more surprising then
languid beacon
I’m not sure if you understand that a global object still has a current owner
Usually the last person that interacted with it although udon can specify whatever it wants
If you own an object then your client is the one responsible for syncing its updates to everyone else
north hemlock
Can you not kick someone from a room?
sleek sparrow
but these objects have no owner. i use unity too
north hemlock
I never checked
sleek sparrow
vote kick sucks
north hemlock
People never have been annoying enough for me to want to kick them
sleek sparrow
we need host commands
north hemlock
The annoying ones I block and even then they're fairly rare
languid beacon
Can you not kick someone from a room?
@north hemlock  if you try to vote kick, and you are not the owner of the room, the owner of the room will be notified that you want to run a votekick and will decide to allow it or deny it from happening.
sleek sparrow
thats dumb. shouldnt need perms from player 0 to run a vote kick
also that doesn't sound true
north hemlock
wdym?
sleek sparrow
cause when im not the host, i can start vote kicks, and everyone gets a message for it right away
north hemlock
Oh
languid beacon
And they actually get kicked?
sleek sparrow
i try to kick people all the time. if all yall gonna do is change the song constantly like the ADHD person you are, you can leave
languid beacon
Pretty sure that won’t
sleek sparrow
yes
languid beacon
It’s possible the owner just said yes
sleek sparrow
but votes have to be unanimous
sleek sparrow
no everyone gets a vote
ibe jad this convo a million times. wjat you've said is a common misconception
languid beacon
I’m not so sure because when I’m the owner of the instance I get a message saying “Player X wants to start a vote kick against player Y” and nobody else gets the notification until I choose yes
modern hill
That's how it would work on Neos @languid beacon not in vrc
sleek sparrow
yeah thats def not vrc
modern hill
Why r u in their discord then
sleek sparrow
my 300 something vote kick attempts would have to disagree then
languid beacon
I’m in Like 200 some discord’s 
modern hill
U have a max limit of 100
languid beacon
Shows how little I know how many servers I’m in 
modern hill
If u haven't discovered the limit ur definitely far away
languid beacon
People invite me to junk and it goes in a folder where I never look at
slate sapphire
If you’re in that many servers I find it impressive lmao
modern hill
Ngl I'm kinda glad there is a limit
small wing
#open-beta-announcements says that the current syncing issues with FBT is being worked on. Does that imply that non FBT users do not have sync issues with AV3?
stable widget
where would I get help on vrc bindings troubleshooting? my mute button stopped working and I cannot get it back
languid beacon
From my testing yesterday, yes. And on beta, fullbody toggles work fine 
sleek sparrow
that's like chairs and stiff right?
modern hill
@stable widget u could try to reset vrchat to it's default
languid beacon
I didn’t test anything involving chairs
stable widget
I have done that @modern hill
small wing
So just to make 100% sure that I am hearing you right. I would be better off not using FBT unless i use the beta? Or should i stick to non FBT?
I want to make sure my pen works since i go mute from time to time
modern hill
¿Still doesn't work?
languid beacon
So just to make 100% sure that I am hearing you right. I would be better off not using FBT unless i use the beta? Or should i stick to non FBT?
@small wing if you use the beta you will be totally alone. It’s for testing builds only.
sleek sparrow
i like using the couch in smart karaoke to clip through to the other side instead of walking around lol
small wing
"This build should work with Live! You can swap to this build and use it to test with friends. Keep in mind that unless you're both on the same build, some things might be a bit odd. Once the test is done, make sure you swap back to Live." I'm confused now.
stable widget
¿Still doesn't work?
@modern hill
it does not. i have gone through uninstalling vrc, reinstalling, resetting the bindings in steam as well as vrc
modern hill
What controller's is it?
languid beacon
Oh this is one of those beta builds where you can talk to people on live. I forgot they do that sometimes 
pseudo basalt
If it says it should work with live then it should work with live
The last beta also worked with live
Granted it was a few hours
languid beacon
Personally I just stick with live. The changes in beta will probably be moved to live today.
small wing
I guess i should give it a try, I just really really want to be able to use a marker. 😄
grand zenith
👀
stable widget
What controller's is it?
@modern hill
i have the index. it was working 2 days ago >.< lol
pseudo basalt
Depends if it's something you need or not
If it fixes something you have issues with, no reason not to use it
languid beacon
I guess i should give it a try, I just really really want to be able to use a marker. 😄
@small wing keep in mind the issues being fixed with 3.0 are all remote based. So the other person needs the fix, not you.
modern hill
Then i have zero clue is mute like joystick press right , or maybe like b or something shouldn't matter though it's weird either way, i guess if u haven't already the oldest trick in the book "reboot" probably won't help but worth a shot
U could try uninstalling all mods or stuff if u have that
languid beacon
Then i have zero clue is mute like joystick press right , or maybe like b or something shouldn't matter though it's weird either way, i guess if u haven't already the oldest trick in the book "reboot" probably won't help but worth a shot
@modern hill Mute is “Voice Off”, Hide is “Hide Avatar” (they become a robot avatar) and Block is next to where you friend them. It makes them vanish entirely and no longer exist to you
modern hill
Context?
languid beacon
I assumed I was answering your question. if it doesn’t make sense just ignore me.
tame seal
Hi everyone! So I've noticed that a lot of custom avatars, specifically anime-styled ones, seemed to be made with a small number of different base models that creatorsadd and build onto. Is there somewhere that I can find any "blank" versions of these models to customize for myself, or is that a no no. To be clear, I don't mean ripping and using full models, I just need a base to add onto to really make it my own
modern hill
Deviant art
tame seal
Also, feel free to @ me with your answers in case I don't see it
rocky blaze
2000 people playing among us in vrchat damn
modern hill
Ohh yikes
grand zenith
@tame seal Most people simply copy paste the same model with deviantart clothes. The Anime Female style most people use is based on the model TDA created. You can find that model easily by just using Google. The most used bases that are being used (Excluding everything that isn't anime-styled)
TDA
Ukon
Miko Ooka
Kon
Haku
haughty moon
hi uh I’m new to vrchat and I had a question or questions im not sure yet so if someone or people don’t mind answering my question(s)
rocky blaze
go for it
languid beacon
I’ve never seen blank bases I think people just use a customized one and re-customize it
grand zenith
there's alot of bases actually.
languid beacon
Logic tells me there has to be I just somehow never see the originals lol 
haughty moon
alrighty so uh 1. I’ve went into vrchat settings multiple times and for some reason no one is able to hear me talk, I have to get mutuals to help me speak to others, should I go somewhere and try getting my mic looked at? 2. I want to change my username but when I first started using vrchat I logged in with steam so now my username is like my steam username and I want to change that, is there a way how?
languid beacon
hi uh I’m new to vrchat and I had a question or questions im not sure yet so if someone or people don’t mind answering my question(s)
@haughty moon typically you won’t get responses to stuff like this but just ask your question anyway to nobody in particular and you’ll get answers!
haughty moon
mhm!
fading flower
i wasnt paying attention and i didnt leave a funny message after the beta closed
darn, better luck next time
dark gazelle
first of all for your mic first thing is just go into discord click the settings button go to audio tab and click test mic
vestal pier
😔
candid thistle
yo quick question, do people actually sleep in VRChat?
languid beacon
The beta just close I’ve missed
candid thistle
or is that just a joke
dark gazelle
i think some people do
haughty moon
I have multiple times I don’t know if I’m doing something wrong but like my computer mic doesn’t work AT ALL
candid thistle
bruh how
rocky blaze
check your mic settings, you can change your name on the site i believe
languid beacon
or is that just a joke
@candid thistle they actually do it and yes it’s a joke
ruby needle
Yes people do, even if it's not really a thing you should be doing (specifically regularly)
candid thistle
I'm too poor for VR I just play on desktop but that seems hella uncomfortable
languid beacon
I can’t imagine the forehead mark after sleeping in a VR headset
candid thistle
like do you turn off the headset or is the light in your eyes
vestal pier
i love leaving my appliances on overnight in order to waste energy! 🙂
fickle horizon
Lights in your eyes
fading flower
exactly
candid thistle
bruh
fickle horizon
Can you takeoff the headset it will stop the game
ruby needle
the mark is one thing, sleeping with the preassure the whole night is the other, and then the screens throwing light at you the whole time.
It's not good for the body.
fickle horizon
If you not can you
fading flower
its a complete waste, your eyes are gonna be killing you when you wake up
vestal pier
most people who "sleep" in vr, just take the HMD off their head
like, wtf is the point.
languid beacon
Worlds meant for sleeping in VR are usually pretty dark and you can put the screen all the way to minimum brightness. The thing with oleds is when it’s black there’s no light at all so it’s not like you have a light shining in your eyes. At least on OLED headsets.
dark gazelle
honestly the worst part would be the pressure
haughty moon
yes omgee
dark gazelle
and if your in a private world and you know your friends wont like flash lights at you
fading flower
i knew someone that slept in desktop mode, he just left the game running over night, jesus he was weird
dark gazelle
then you should be fine
fickle horizon
That’s why rift asses are perfect for me because if I loosen it to the highest amount it will be light enough for me to just have it over my head because I got a big forehead
vestal pier
i turn my PC off whenever i step away for five mins, nevermind sleeping with it whirring overnight
candid thistle
I can barley lay on my side with my tiny dot earbuds I can't imagine a whole ass VR headset especially if it's tethered to a PC
fading flower
you shouldnt do it in the first place
candid thistle
maybe if it was a quest
languid beacon
like, wtf is the point.
@vestal pier Empathetic proximity 
fading flower
you just turn the damn thing of when you sleep, like a sane human being
vestal pier
im not buying it
fading flower
save power, you dont fry your computer
candid thistle
exactly
ruby needle
@vestal pier dont forget the wasted energy and thus dissapeated heat aswell. (and hardware wear)
candid thistle
I have not and do not plan to sleep in VRchat
languid beacon
I’m not saying I don’t think it’s silly but I get it
knotty ferry
I'm reading the patch notices of the most recent update, what are FBT stations?
ruby needle
I sure get the appeal, but regularly doing it is absolutly nothing one should ever do.
fading flower
yes
vestal pier
dont do it, periodt
knotty ferry
Ah alright, thanks.
candid thistle
what's the appeal exactly? getting to sleep as big daddy warewolf fursona?
fading flower
if you do this im just gonna find you, and steal your computer, your clearly not using it right if your leaving it on running vr overnight
candid thistle
oh
vestal pier
which is totally true. but idk if its worth it
languid beacon
I think it fulfills the same function as a sleepover
You’re not gonna get as well of a good sleep as sleeping in your own bed
But it’s just not the point
vocal shard
Not yet seeing the patch on Steam after restarting twice
languid beacon
Uninstall the game and reinstall it
vocal shard
How about no
languid beacon
vocal shard
Verifying the integrity of the game files provided the update. 🤔
ruby needle
Submit a moderation report at https://help.vrchat.com/new
ruby needle
Make sure to include a detailed description and conclusive proof
humble vapor
cant beleive theyre still together after all that shit
ruby needle
@vocal shard that's probably more a sideeffect of the check requesting to redownload the "wrong" files.
But i guess that works too. 
quartz thunder
ok
plain prairie
hi baby
tribal widget
Just wondering, if I had a pair of hand controllers, could I use them without the headset (in desktop mode)?
steady spade
how much does the quest 2 cost?
strong idol
Ab 20 bucks
quartz thunder
i show it in #vrchat-pictures
languid beacon
how much does the quest 2 cost?
@steady spade 299 usd
regal oak
Vrchat is being very annoying
lyric ginkgo
I can’t log in from oculus account In the game it stops is there a way to fix that
And I can’t make a vr chat account
I can make a vr chat account
vocal shard
Just wondering, if I had a pair of hand controllers, could I use them without the headset (in desktop mode)?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this'd work, no. The first problem is that if you want positionally tracked controllers you'd need something like vive lighthouses with the vive wands, at which point you might as well have a headset
The second is that, again correct me if I'm wrong, but VRChat only has modes for 3 point, 4 point, and 6 point tracking, so I've never heard support for 2 point
languid beacon
Just wondering, if I had a pair of hand controllers, could I use them without the headset (in desktop mode)?
@tribal widget Most VR setups have the sensors built into the headset, the cameras on the headset looks forward at the controllers to know where they are relative to the headset. They wouldn't work without any cameras.
languid beacon
Lighthouse tracking would work with only controllers, but, that's pretty expensive just to use hand controllers... and no VRChat doesn't support it...
vocal shard
vrchat recently added in bindings to control your hand position on desktop roughly, so at the very least there's that
languid beacon
it kinda uses your headset to center the whole thing and know exactly where your hands are relative to your body
I think pretty much anything could be achieved via steamVR input emulation, it's just a matter of someone doing it
mossy lagoon
hi there. im new at this . any recommendation?
ruby tiger
Join a random public world and simply observe
vocal shard
Hi
shut zodiac
regal oak
I physically can not play vrchat anymore
mossy lagoon
i thought that this was JUST only vr chat .
because i m new at that.
that is the reason for my question
ruby tiger
What do you mean?
mossy lagoon
im not good at english sorry
ruby tiger
On the steam store page:
Notice: This title runs in both standard and VR modes. It does not require a VR headset.
mossy lagoon
im also new at discor so
ruby tiger
In case you asked for VR recommendation
violet dew
shut zodiac
opal crown
guys i need help i am on desktop but i have a 2080 ti and gettin fps drops to 20
i average 70 fps ?
is vrchat that big of a demanding fps game?
fathom spindle
anyone wana rolplay wiht me in vr chat if so dm me
hollow ingot
For the CPU, "yes"... stronk single-core/thread pref. recommended
fathom spindle
anyone?
hollow ingot
Welp, gatta get that 5950x
fathom spindle
?
vocal shard
if anyone has ever played that one udon grappling game and knows the BG ost, could you share it with me? 🥺
gleaming hill
Welp, gatta get that 5950x
@hollow ingot My Ryzen 7 3700X handles VRChat quite well. You don't need to spend $1000+ on a CPU.
tepid geode
i'm sorry, i'm new to vrchat but how do i rank up so i can upload my own avatars ??
hollow ingot
I actually have that CPU, but... I sooo desire the single-core of the Zen 3!~
... Also have a 6600k
limber pasture
Did the binds for right stick tilt left and right stick tilt right break with today's patch? I cant seem to turn any more
shut zodiac
@tepid geode play consistently for a while
@limber pasture I haven't encountered any issues, neither heard reports of that issue
tepid geode
that's what i thought, i only have about 8 hours . i was told i needed to have more friends too ?
limber pasture
I use a DS4 with my HMD. these binds work recently(and for the last few weeks) but now RSRT and RSLT dont seem to work so i can't turn. @shut zodiac
ill try tinkering with stuff but i thought i connected in the right order
shut zodiac
Whack
that's what i thought, i only have about 8 hours . i was told i needed to have more friends too ?
@tepid geode
Friends, playtime, worlds, avatars, reports against etc
limber pasture
yea just DCed and reconnected everything. tried unbinding and rebinding it but i still dont have RS Right Tilt and RS Left Tilt so im stuck forward facing for the most part
shut zodiac
limber pasture
kinda sucks cause my body tracking doesn't like me turning that much since its just a kinect... meaning i need some other way to turn
vocal shard
Ha, ha, ha, people-who-can-afford-to-play-vr problems
limber pasture
If only you knew how much this jank cost me
you sweet summer child my jerry rigging knows no ends
VR can be very cheap if your willing to cut some corners and find work arounds 🙂
vocal shard
Same can go with pc building and honestly phone rigging has been getting to be more and more of a thing
limber pasture
I'm currently a phone rig...
Iriun VR to connect my phone and computer over wifi. Currently us a DS4 controller to move and handle keybinds but I have a kinect with Driver4VR to do body tracking... just gotta clear room for that but it would still need the DS4 controller to rotate cause I don't know how good the kinect is at that
limber pasture
I just wish trying to set up a controller wasn't like pulling teeth at this point...
scenic hedge
I hear ya, I barely did anything with my DS4 and it already felt like a mess
paper cloak
poop
modern hill
poopie
wet notch
Heyy guys..
im planning to have my lessons on VRC at the same time 💃 but till now i donno how ..🚶🏻♀️
My headset is Oculus Rift S
so i can open my desktop on the VR already
But that’s kinda annoying
anything else i can do ?
broken plover
there's applications like OVRToolkit, but those are for steamvr only. So you'll need to download steamvr and vrchat from steam if you haven't already
modern hill
xsoverlay is probably easier to use if ur just gonna use i for desktop windows and stuff or u could just pin the oculus desktop thingie and walk around
vocal shard
Pass-through is the most simple but immersion breaking. Otherwise desktop mode with OVRtool kit like Nico said.
vocal shard
we don't live in a scifi world
muted thistle
It's not official or illegal
cold talon
We still have barely any idea how the brain works exactly, so jumping to having the ability to blast information precisely directly into the brain to simulate an entire world complete with all senses is still very extremely far away
cold talon
🤔
coral pasture
oh wow
slate rock
shut zodiac
harsh star
vocal shard
Nice
sturdy silo
cobalt sparrow
where to find a avatar?
light acorn
where to find a avatar?
@cobalt sparrow Avatar worlds there's hundreds of them
cobalt sparrow
@light acorn i mean the chat server here
light acorn
I'm not sure what you mean by that
cobalt sparrow
Mean, that I can't find one type of avatars
vocal shard
I wanna be a giraffe when i grow up
shut zodiac
vocal shard
What is that 😂
sleek sparrow
chance for what
sleek sparrow
can you rick roll someone if they like the song though?
that second one doesn't even make sense
must be too old for your zoomer memes
vocal shard
Faxxxx
edgy sail
Ay
plush osprey
social lists seem to be completely down. i dont have anyone in my offline list even
uncut rock
We are working on an academic project related to virtual reality headset experience.
We are interested in understanding your experiences on virtual reality headsets.
Kindly help us with your feedback, it won’t take more than 2-3mins
can you'll please fill this
would be a great help
modern hill
Yare yare
languid beacon
That is a very poorly made survey.
broken plover
I can't answer 2 of the questions because my answer isn't listed and there's no "other:___" option
coral pasture
bruh i keep getting kicked
vocal shard
Context would help, if you're in academia you always want to explain what you'll do with the information and what information will be kept private and will be used in your study and a way to contact for further questions or interviews. Kinda... Doubt this is for academia research or what you're measuring that hasn't already been somewhat looked at.
languid beacon
Likely a random school assignment that requires some interviews. I did the same thing when I was in school just made an Internet survey and spammed it around and called that my interviews.
obtuse vine
Lol yup, school be like that sometimes
vocal shard
Yeah but if you put academic in there I go to academia since I've been here for the past 5 years of my life, and I'm in a research university too.
If it was a normal primary or secondary school project then yeah, I'll let things slide.
languid beacon
Oh they just love giving research projects on virtual worlds. I remember a time where a specific virtual world would get spammed with surveys like clockwork every autumn.
dusky badge
does anyone here know any good avatar worlds for pc and quest? 
frozen sparrow
hi
vocal shard
Yeah, academia has been pretty rampant with research over VR and applications over the past couple years. It's been a nice change that people are trying to take it seriously but it also sucks when nobody understands it or when they come out with negative conclusions.
Like how surgeons realized AR didn't increase their precision even though they felt they still had the same amount of precision
slate sapphire
@dusky badge you kinda just have to run around and look, it can be pretty fun to find new worlds with unique avatars
tulip pivot
Nope. There’s not much good avatars for quest in my opinion.
languid beacon
If you want something nice in VRchat you tend to have to make it yourself
tulip pivot
Even the worlds have been the same since 1902. Doubt anything new will happen soon.
frosty veldt
Lot less creators for the quest than for PC, shits hard to optimize that much
languid beacon
I might be alone in this but I feel like scratch content is much easier for quest than PC
Simply because there’s a less expectation to be high detailed
sleek sparrow
people got mad at me for using pc only avatars. i told. thats their problem for buying cheap vr lol
frosty veldt
It's easier to get a scratch model to quest specs than reduce a kitbash to quest specs
frosty veldt
I think the avatar I made for spookality would work for quest minus the AV3 stuff and fancy shader
languid beacon
Yeah I’ve made quest versions of all my favorite avatars. Some transfer much easier than others.
Even if it’s just a visual stand-in with no special features at least being seen at all is better than being seen as a robot
frosty veldt
Yeah, I'd look more into it but in rarely out of friends+ so I never see quest users
languid beacon
I’m starting to have a lot of quest friends so I’m starting to feel the pressure
vocal shard
Dear,
The user known as * Satan *
Please just end yourself. I had to reboot my vr chat because I couldn't turn your fucking shaders off.
languid beacon
No callouts..
frosty veldt
Is it a callout when their name is so generic there's probably dozens of people with it
odd blaze
Wonder if vrchat should have default settings - animations off for everyone, but then we'd get 'why isnt other people animation question instead, i guess
languid beacon
Absolutely not please no
vocal shard
dam he got me
odd blaze
learned fast to turn that off after awhile in vrchat 😋
languid beacon
I used VR chat for a year before they were safety settings and I never had any issues
frosty veldt
Problem with having things as default is then you have people asking why people go invisible when they get close lmao
languid beacon
I still have them disabled entirely and I still have no issues
odd blaze
have 1000+ people blocked cause of no safety settings
crashed 100's of times
i tested stuff in public worlds back then - avatar testing
1752 people blocked
languid beacon
If I could redo safety settings myself I would completely get rid of user ranks and just have a custom setting for hidden avatars. So I say hey if I hide the avatar they lose only their shaders and animations. can default to seeing everything and only remove stuff on people I hand pick
odd blaze
Im not trusting people with animations , having epilepsy
odd blaze
back then i was in desktop wich isnt that bad, just vr , no
languid beacon
Like I said I’ve been here before safety and I was fine. Still don’t use it, still fine
sharp saddle
Instead of blocking, why not hide people's avatars?
I only block if they're being annoying towards me without using their avatar.
odd blaze
cause they kept crashing me
frosty veldt
I mainly use the safety system for FPS
languid beacon
Yeah someone gets muted if their voice is annoying. Avatar hidden if their avatar is disruptive. They only get blocked if they are both at once or I don’t want them to hear or see me.
odd blaze
have video of a guy trying to crash me (failed) cause i was standing to near a mirror in the pug
languid beacon
Safety settings, ie, basing things on user rank, just feels arbitrary to me
odd blaze
his gf was 'yes crash them' im mute back then so wasnt me speaking
toxic naah vrchat :p
languid beacon
Especially now with avatar three because if you don’t do animations they’re just completely busted anyway
The magic is gone
frosty veldt
The user rank was mainly to avoid people getting banned and creating a new account with the same privileges
odd blaze
had 2 portals drop on me in a friends+ no idea who that person is
grizzled narwhal
Hello👋 I'm sorry if I'm interrupting your conversation, I just wanted to know which vr headset works best with vrchat and other vr games (I am so sorry if this question is annoying to any of u)
odd blaze
🤔 dunno im using a rift s ,easy setup, waiting for that Reverb
languid beacon
Hello👋 I'm sorry if I'm interrupting your conversation, I just wanted to know which vr headset works best with vrchat and other vr games (I am so sorry if this question is annoying to any of u)
@grizzled narwhal pretty much any headset works
For VR chat I would recommend one with controllers that have analog sticks
north hemlock
Pretty much any headset works, it's more of a personal preference + the amount of money you want to put in
grizzled narwhal
Oh ok thank u
odd blaze
Just dont go too old, low resolution ick
frosty veldt
OG vive represent
languid beacon
You gonna make me rant again
OG Vive is the new Oculus Go in terms of king of disillusionment
frosty veldt
Lmao if it works I aint gonna upgrade
languid beacon
That’s fine just don’t recommend it to new people DX
languid beacon
I still feel upset that oculus is the only one making comfortable controllers
Index controllers are lovely feature wise but they just don’t feel as nice
frosty veldt
Id give my opinion but I've never seen an oculus controller IRL
Vive -> Index was great though
languid beacon
For years I have always been very confident saying that Nintendo gamecube controller‘s were the most comfortable controllers ever created
Then I used the original rift controllers and they became the new standard for me
frosty veldt
I feel comparing the gamecube controller to a VR controller is too different
frosty veldt
No one likes the vive controllers lmao
languid beacon
It’s not though, the original rift controllers just feel like two halves of a game cube controller in your hand
Doesn’t even really feel like you’re holding anything they are perfectly shaped
vocal shard
Yeah
Too bad rift doesn't have full body
I would buy full body if rift supported it
languid beacon
Even rift S / quest controllers were a step backward
languid beacon
If someone made CV1 shaped controllers that were lighthouse tracking I’d be all over it and ditch my index controller finger track
frosty veldt
I still think lighthouse tracking is better than the camera tracking
languid beacon
Yeah I’m just talking about comfort not tracking
CV1 peaked in controller design imho
I have had way more luck with CV1 tracking than Lighthouse Tracking personally, but that’s because I had three cameras and only two base station
vocal shard
Wait how do index users use animations using gestures?
languid beacon
Index controllers have much better hand pose matching than oculus does
So in terms of vr chat it’s no problem at all
vocal shard
My gestures go everywhere and Its annoying
frosty veldt
Index gestures work the same way oculus does it
vocal shard
But it seems to only be in vrchat
languid beacon
Except for whatever reason index controllers really hate detecting that you’re doing peace
frosty veldt
Depends on your finger size and position
languid beacon
Well they hate mine
I just threw up my hands and disabled hand based gestures entirely
frosty veldt
Need em custom made and shortened/heightened
I usually stick to easy ones like point, finger gun, thumbs up, and open hand
peace and rock can get hard
vocal shard
I use alotbof 2.0 avatars so it's kinda annoying
languid beacon
Index has the benefit of being able to disable gestures but still being able to pose your hands. 
clear warren
Sick
languid beacon
Wish they allowed it on other headsets 
For everything else the hands just get frozen if you disable gestures
obtuse vine
You could just put a toggle in your expression menu that disables everything except your hand gestures
clear warren
Apple I like your pfp
languid beacon
That’s true Apple but that relies on other people adding the option, lol
restive hazel
Hey, my friend wants to know how they can make their own VR Chat model
Is there a link I can direct them to?
honest forge
youtube
languid beacon
The short answer is you model it in blender and then you make all of the interactive game stuff in Unity. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/creating-your-first-avatar
limber pasture
Blender, VRC SDK, Unity and the docs
robust pumice
Still no hull breached deep waters world to freak out in. Was really hoping one would have popped up for Halloween this year. Something straight out of Underwater 2020 would have been cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rszr56AH3Co
twilit sonnet
Could always make it yourself ^^
unique mauve
Adeon, the index controllers have automatic finger calibration that's always active. Just drum your fingers on the grip a few times to recalibrate it.
languid beacon
Yeah.. I’ve been told and do.
They actually work perfectly for every game except VRChat
Only VRchat thinks my pointer and middle are the same finger and my ring and pinky are the same finger
Every other game has no problem distinguishing them
deep geyser
languid beacon
Whose’s child is this
real sluice
dear vrchat devs.....
idk why you would say you fixed stuff for the FBT sdk 3....but well....guess what....its still not working
vocal shard
languid beacon
Hey I personally tested the beta and verified the fixes.
real sluice
newest SDK 3 ? - check
newest vrchat update ? - check
languid beacon
What issues are you seeing
real sluice
its the same issue i have since this all started. people cant see my animations from my sdk 3 avatars anymore
the old and the new onessdk 2 is working fine though
languid beacon
You must have some other issue that wasn’t related to what got fixed. You sure it’s not your own upload?
real sluice
i have a vrc sdk 3 avatar that was working fine RIGHT before they release the update....iam on vrc pretty much everyday