"12 isnt allowed on steam"
what, youve never lied about being 18 to say, get into a website you shouldnt be on? people wouldn't do such a thing, would they?
#vrchat-general-2
candid acorn
small wing
Hehe, literally me when i was 12
languid beacon
That is a parent problem to be honest.
vocal shard
Oh yeah no I get that, I made my steam account when I was 10, and I am 18 now
somber rain
Do you really think people would do that? Just go on the internet at tell lies?
candid acorn
to an extent, yes, it is. but im just saying is all
small wing
I used to lie about my age just to play runescape back in the day. Good times.
languid beacon
You could get away with it when you were young but there’s no reason now. Parents of 12 year olds right now grew up with the Internet they should know better.
vocal shard
And yes, a lot of the blame should be on the parents for not supervising their child enough and knowing what they do online
wet thorn
@vocal shard are you using your real birth date on your profile because if you ever was to get locked out and they might want to verify your age etc then you can’t lmao just saying
indigo fern
wait, you guys didnt get your parents permission to go on mickeys club house? im calling the fbi
small wing
Hahaha
vocal shard
@wet thorn I changed my real birth date on steam when I was like 16
west vine
lol
desert stratus
shit i made my steam acc when i was 11 but was dead terrified of interacting with people cuz i knew i was gonna piss them off somehow lmao
wet thorn
Alright good lmao
ruby burrow
It's honestly ironic, but kind of unsettling for me, seeing kids growing up glued to the internet via their phones from barely 6 years old.
vocal shard
Besides, when I was younger than 18, I would just change the year of my birth. I was born October 1 2001, but I would change it to like October 1 1990 to make it easy to remember
lofty stratus
Because the real world is that disappointing
candid acorn
those parents that stick a phone or tablet in their kids hands at a restaurant or family reunion to keep em quiet
west vine
jup
ruby burrow
Like, I'm through and through an internet junkie myself, but it just seems too early. Childhood really shouldn't come from the internet.
vocal shard
@ruby burrow My little cousin is obsessed with his ipad and he's 6. Luckily my aunt and uncle are smart enough to have trackers on it to make sure he doesn't watch any youtube videos out of line or anything
small wing
Hey at least they aren't outside beating the shit outta eachother with sticks and airsoft guns like we all did back when we had dialup lol
candid acorn
well, I imagine people like you and me can also say that from experience. considering the internet is barely 20something years old
west vine
why try to be a parent when you can let a tablet do the same thing and you get some rest not knowing what the kid watches while you have some quiet time
languid beacon
I did that with my cousin but it had no data or wifi
vocal shard
@candid acorn admittedly, my parents did the same to me when I was younger but that was with a DS instead of a tablet/phone
wet thorn
The worlds about technology now you don’t see no kids playing out anymore it’s always over fortnite or something lmao
west vine
honestly if i have kids they have to work for wifi acces if they dont do their chores they dont get acces to wifi
candid acorn
internet was brand new when i was a kid. And back then, it was still a mostly orderly place since it was not as widespread as it is now.
people still had such ideas as ".gov" and ".org" being only for informational websites
languid beacon
Eh I was on the pc since I was 7’s fine. The problem is when they are not monitored and parents are too lazy to monitor
vocal shard
@wet thorn That's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying it's good, but it's just how the world flows. There were people against the serialization of books when that was still a new technology
candid acorn
I like to think that people who grew up with the internet in the past 20 years will be more wary about it with their own kids.
or at least, should be
plush bison
FeelsGood when you are installing the 2019 unity kit
vocal shard
"My child doesn't go outside anymore, he spends all day indoors just reading"
wet thorn
@vocal shard yeah imo it’s not a bad thing but it doesn’t help health wise
deft flame
man with this update vrchat has massive lag issues
languid beacon
You would think that, but the reality is the majority of those people who would make great parents have decided they don’t want kids at all lol
lofty stratus
my vrchat has been fine
candid acorn
west vine
i saw that 1 set of parents turned the wifi password into a treasure hunt
ruby burrow
Same as Flame. The internet wasn't the same thing when I was little. Was a teen before it remotely resembled how it is today.
desert stratus
yeah everyone who would be fantastic at raising children doesnt want children. it seems like a counterintuitive idea but it makes sense when you think about it
small wing
Anyone here remember Neopets, Poptropica, RSClassic, and worlds?
umbral reef
Kids are god damn devils
plush bison
what about Cubes
west vine
yup i like them when they're silent o3o
nothing is more annoying than having a kid screaming through the store because they didnt get something
dapper scaffold
imagine wasting all of your money and life and mental health running after some hellspawn
candid acorn
well, doesnt want, or just cant seem to have either.
i sure wouldnt mind. but #foreveralone
umbral reef
Anyone here remember Neopets, Poptropica, RSClassic, and worlds?
@small wing I still paly neopets with my squad 😎
west vine
i'm asexual i do want kids but nah not now
vocal shard
@west vine My Aunt and Uncle, with their children who are 7 and 5 respectively, have the wifi set to blacklist their tablets every day at noon, and then they will whitelist the tablets once they have shown that they got all their work done
languid beacon
I am not cursing anyone with my genes
west vine
eyup something like that
candid acorn
if i had kids i'd keep them well away from the internet if at all possible, until they are older, or at least, heavily encourage physical activity and reading instead
indigo fern
give me your jeans adeon
west vine
i was planning on giving them a nokia 3310 if they start whining about wanting a phone
its a phone you can call with
thats it
umbral reef
@candid acorn Just give them monitored content
Allow them to watch YT but only a select few and select hours
Give them an turned off phone/tablet so its not fun when they are extremely young and use it for educational tools also so its not just entertainment
vocal shard
I unfortunately kinda feel a need to, since I'm really the only one who can pass on my last name. I'm fine on bloodline, I have 3 female cousins and a sister, but I'm the only one who won't lose their last name to marriage, and subsequently pass the last name onto my children
indigo fern
i dont plan on kids, but i do plan on being a dope ass uncle like mine was for me
west vine
i think i might give mine a piece of the garden that they take care off
they can grow their own veggies
then they have to spend time outdoors to take care of them and i can learn them how to take care of shit and they can eat the veggies they grow themselves
which might helps for picky eaters
wet thorn
What’s peoples experiences who have social anxiety from playing vrchat? Had it helped at all?
candid acorn
my first cellphone was a graduation present when I graduated high school in 2009. and it was a kind of low tier prepaid flipphone from some noname company
but man I appreciated that phone. but it also meant I didnt really need it. When the smartphone i had after that, died, I actually went with a fliphone again for a good long while
plush bison
its helped me alot actually
west vine
for me VRchat is nice cause i tend to talk alot ( even more when i am home alone )
i use it to release some of my rambles
i can like out talk most women
candid acorn
I rocked an old razr for a good 2 or so years.
living the dream
vocal shard
@wet thorn I am very timid in real life, but fortunately when I'm behind a microphone and vr headset I don't have to worry about any of that
west vine
i had a nokia 3310 when i was younger and my first smart phone was a samsung S2
afther that i rocked a note 3 for about 7 years and now i have a note 9 i think
ruby burrow
@wet thorn Massively.
Borderline saved me and set me on a better course.
wet thorn
My only issue is joining friends then once I join they are surrounded by a whole group of people and I just have to leave as I can’t be dealing with that
west vine
i just walk up to a random person and start talking
or incase of last night i just stood in the black cat and started singing
plush bison
my issue is joining off a friend and oh look theres abunch of toxic skids running around
wet thorn
Yeah I usually try to do that till they totally ignore what your saying to them 😂
west vine
mayor tip try to talk along with what they are already talk about and then slowly set the convo to your line of intel xD
takes me about 10 to 5 minutes
wet thorn
Ahah good idea!
west vine
i model my own characters so... thats a good starting point for me
wet thorn
Yeah that’s pretty cool I just talk about vr to any none vr users who are interested in vr lmao
That usually is a great convo starter
vocal shard
i smell like Surströmming!
ruby needle
No headpats for you. 
gilded helm
Does anyone know why my avatar makes an emote everytime I use my controllers to turn around?
Everything seemed to be fine before this update but now all my avatars I have or got through world have this issue
open kraken
you sure you dont accidently open the new menu while turning? that would be first thing coming to mind
shadow lantern
my hands no longer line up and the gesture button being removed is a grave sin
pastel portal
My problem with the new update, not everyone may agree, which is fine:
- Before i could lock gestures before the action menu update, now i have to get in the action menu, which stops me from moving, to toggle gestures. This is a huge problem for me, as I always use gestures and lock them so i can use my fingies freely while keeping the gesture on.
- When calibrating my full body, i cant look down to see my avatar's feet and if im aligned properly because the body keeps moving forward when i look down.
Switched to legacy fbt for now. - Prefab controllers didnt work for me and had to end up making my own to get my gestures to work.
I still have no clue what went wrong, only that i spent more than 4 hours just to fix my gestures
I read the announcement regarding all of this, but i still felt like dropping my feedback
gilded helm
@open kraken yee I am sure. I don't have any menu up or anything and the moment I try to turn I end up making an emote
languid beacon
Yes they are aware of gesture lock not being what people want. Index users lost the lock and non-index users lose their hand movement entirely
pastel portal
Dont get me wrong, i dont hate the update. I love the full control over eye movement and blinking etc
They gave us more freedom to work on avatars too
languid beacon
Major update of an early access game give it time. Their goal is to be good but sometimes stuff has to break to make room for changes
gilded helm
Ohhh so it's a bug the thing I was mentioning?
open kraken
i'm happy i can finaly lock a gesture with touch controlers ^^
pastel portal
true, i just wish we could test the beta to its fullest along the action menu rather than dropping it after the beta
gilded helm
And also all and all that is interesting
languid beacon
Annoying in the short run beneficial in the long run
gilded helm
I do wish there was a way to fix that emote issue though because it's annoying to have to switch from off emotes and on emotes
steep laurel
I don't hate this update, but they talk about feedback and literally everyone in general last night was hitting hard 
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pastel portal
Is there a channel we can leave our feedbacks?
vast tulip
Canny should be back
pastel portal
I dont hate the update, i can tell they worked really hard on all the features and i love most of them. Its just the gesture lock that bothers me the most
umbral reef
Still says its private for me
steep laurel
I really, really love this new update. It's super fucking cool, esp the stuff like being able to fade off when you take off your headset.
twin fractal
canny got canned 
gilded helm
What is the gesture lock exactly?
pastel portal
With the index, i could press a button and it would lock a gesture or unlock it in an instant, now i have to get the action menu up and lock and unlock it through there
serene palm
Just came to check if there was any workaround for that, I guess I'll wait a few days
Gesture lock reeaally needs to be bindable to a single button-press :C
bleak obsidian
Worst update so far XD I don't understand how people that were working on it could f**k this whole thing out so bad. Everything that was working is now just a trash. No one needed that whole avatar 3.0 and now you are forcing people to use it. So far I've found 6 errors and playing with oculus is just a pain... And I haven't even touched new SDK
indigo fern
@cold talon
gilded helm
I'm just annoyed at the whole turning causes an emote to play issue
cold talon
wait, you already made a client ?
gilded helm
Save for that I can't really say anything
serene palm
Thank you
I think I'll wait, because I had specific bindings setup that removed the gesture lock from my control-stick click so it didn't fuck up my sticks over time
jovial kestrel
@serene palm Steam bindings are being updated to contain one-button gesturelocking again.
vocal shard
Hey I am new here and I have some concerns about things going on VRchat
serene palm
let's hear em
magic sky
Did they fix the bad update yet?
faint current
Can someone help me with something?
magic sky
What is it @faint current
faint current
I would like to know facebook meme pages
gentle mist
Anyone want to hang out in this movie server?
faint current
My account is new
real loom
Everyone being so mean. VRChat is free and they’re working hard to improve and add more features. Not enough people spent enough time testing the avatar 3 open beta and some stuff fell through the cracks. Just chill, they’ll fix it when they can.
vocal shard
So has anyone heard of this ??
wooden atlas
Yes the game is completely immune from criticism I agree
gentle mist
I’m not being mean cyberkitsune I like vrchart
vocal shard
Is it there something wrong with the game at the moment?
wooden atlas
My friend's avatar is completely broken so he quit so there's that
Oculus rebindings fucked my advanced settings bad
twin fractal
imagine that. quitting because a a poorly made avatar is broken
wooden atlas
He paid 40 bucks for it
vocal shard
what
wooden atlas
It's a base he edited
vocal shard
who the heck buys avatars lol
real loom
It’s not immune from criticism of course. But the game is in early access, and the VRChat dev team isn’t too large given the current user base. They have to develop and do this hard work, in a pandemic no less, meanwhile they have no monetization strategy in the game yet for themselves; preventing them from massively expanding
I’m just saying we should have patience and give constructive criticism instead of “nobody asked for an update” or just “this update sucks”
vocal shard
imagine buying avatars for a free beta game lol
heady salmon
💸 oof
wooden atlas
Literally tons of people. Tons of people buy avatars.
twin fractal
imagine not having money
vocal shard
yeah we;; oys
ruby needle
If a commissioner does not create the Avatar to the games specifications, you need to blame the commissioner.
Unless the customer purposely requested off spec changes in which case the customer takesthe risk.
vocal shard
yeah well thats on the people who make or buy
ruby needle
Still a big bummer ofc.
twin fractal
its likely just the armature anyway
wooden atlas
They had this avatar for a while and were very comfy with it and now they have a fucking giraffe neck when they stand and turn into a gremlin when they sit
vocal shard
not the dev team. If you bought from dev team I could understand it but its literally a beta game
ruby needle
That sound's like a adventure 😄
twin fractal
yep the armature
wooden atlas
The new fbt makes it so that client side, your head is always exactly where your actual head is irl so it stretches your body to match that
covert halo
I think the only thing I am mad about this update on is the way they redid fullbody calibration
modern sand
It's better for the vast majority of users, if the avatar doesn't rely on "fixes"
ruby needle
once you give it a actual chance and adapt to it's "weird" behaviour a lot of people turned out for it to not be "bad"
and if you cant, there is the launch command
covert halo
I know, but why not just include it as an option in the menu instead, I mean my avatar still works with it, I just hate how I can't move into place instead of forcing me to use my head as some retarded joystick for my trackers
wooden atlas
Yes
I wish they actually kept the original fbt as well, not just the calibration as an option so that people with small avatars or ones that have "rig hacks" can still play without looking like complete freaks
covert halo
Also, for people that don't have humanoid avatars that do not conform to human proportions, it breaks the model. When I jump out of fullbody, its like my character wants their feet to become one with themselves
wooden atlas
Yeah if I lose tracking for more than 7 seconds I lose a track puck in game and have to completely restart. I never had that problem before
It's really fucking obnoxious
Welcome to the club
green furnace
Is there any way to get rid of this action menu
ashen elk
I would love an option in the setting to revert controls to old ones. Jumping on Oculus is really annoying now
wooden atlas
no ❤️ @green furnace
vocal shard
Hey I'm trying to use my kinect for full body, but for some reason my kinect isn't sending any frames, and keeps turning off, anyone know how to fix this?
wooden atlas
Yeah these new bindings suck ass for Oculus users, especially those with advanced settings
desert stratus
if you dont mind using steam client you can change bindings in there\
wooden atlas
You can't rebind jump or menu to my knowledge.
covert halo
I'm okay with the action menu, I believe they are doing all this optimise avatar stuff just because the new quest is coming out soon tbh
uneven escarp
Fun weird controller floatyness with some avatars now (all avatars have it, just some are more noticeable)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384108535887298582/741430546764267540/2020-08-07_17-52-13_1.mp4
desert stratus
nooo optimization has been something that has been prached for a looooong ass time and is critical regardless of the existence of the quest
covert halo
You can rebind your jump button in steam vr
wanton spindle
any1 else loose like 50fps with the update or just me???
desert stratus
vr games even on PC are hard to make, making sure that they run smoothly is even harder
wooden atlas
They changed the orientation sightly back on the hand rigging for Oculus as well
covert halo
Yeah I know but for pc vr users a lot of them have those fancy avatars and pout those quest users can't handle them.
I have a quest myself, vr chat is absolutely atrocious on it
rigid crescent
I mean, players are atrocious at it, yeah.
wooden atlas
Optimization for avatars is the last thing a new avatar creator is worried about
desert stratus
doesnt mean that it shouldnt be standard practice, tho. and yeah vrc quest sucks when people try to stuff pc avatars onto a mobile platform without optimizing them for the platform
crisp pumice
is there anyway i can contact Spark? i got his email and I am so lost right now 😬
desert stratus
id say that while signal boosting the importance of optimization should be so much more critical both on the dev side and player side there is actually quite a lot of resources on how to optimize.
or there was but some of them (including some really good practices) are lowkey out of date. im thinking about making newer tutorials for those specifically, tho i havent been keeping up with how well people are documenting changes since i havent had to relearn anything for a year
wooden atlas
I'd like to optimize but I jeopardize the way my avatar looks bc I am not good at it yet
desert stratus
i will say rn that most optimization happens in blender, and as you get more control over how your avatar is constructed in blender (from kitbashing to retopology to full blown modeling) the more optimized* you will be
wooden atlas
Sure I can delete half the shit off of my avatar to make it below 70k polys and use horrid standard shader but why would I wanna do that??
desert stratus
id say dont worry about if you have props and what not that approach 70k
also you dont need to use standard shader ever if you dont have to, just use less materials. less materials will always be so much more critical than the shader you use
trim oracle
desert stratus
i fuckin use poiyomi and people think i have somewhere between 3-6 materials active but i just have one lol
desert stratus
texture atlasing is also critical. @wooden atlas poiyomi is a heavy shader on its own but if you have a lot of different custom shit its worth it. masking for everything including matcaps, emit, etc. even has 3 color channels to control toon ramp colors, ill send a screenshot
i always wanted to make a sort of "dev commentary" on how i did that so people can get an idea of how to cram stuff into shaders so i mgiht get on that on monday when i get my psu back. give me a sec
#vrchat-pictures @wooden atlas
wooden atlas
Only problem is a lot of the avatars I edit don't have textures on a lot of parts. It's just flat materials
desert stratus
texture atlasing can deal with that. else it isnt too bad to do 0 brain uv edits / texture paint in blender to replace single color components
wooden atlas
I'm gonna start learning blender soon so I'll make sure thats something I learn. Ty
desert stratus
texture work is mostly tedious, including atlasing, so it can be a pain, but for atlasing among other things once you get a hang of the pipeline itll never take more than 15-30 min. tupper's old tutorial would be a good start but parts of it are completely different in 2.8** and the link to the new texture atlas guide isnt with me atm
wooden atlas
Most of the tex that are on the models I buy are already atlased, which is nice for optimization but awful for editing
Oh and mirrored
icy sedge
Hello all question for anyone who uses a oculus quest. Does it come with a headset/mic with it or do you need to purchase apart or already have
pseudo basalt
It has a mic but it's pretty bad
Not sure if it comes with earbuds, it might
But also not great, I'd guess
In fact the quest mic is notoriously bad as it randomly starts distorting and it's hard to understand people
wooden atlas
Is is worse than the cv1 mic?
ruby needle
CV1 has a good mic 
pseudo basalt
Dunno
vocal shard
yes
and no, doesnt have earbuds
wooden atlas
Also I'm pretty sure that's the rift s mic you're talking about that glitches out
crisp pumice
hey FPaul can u help me with something
wooden atlas
And yeah CV1 mic is good so if it's as good as that you'll be fine
ruby needle
<--- Check the list over there for the proper channel regarding the topic you need help with
There is a lot of people here on Discord who'll gladly help you out when they can.
vocal shard
just say "no" next time fpaul, smh my head
cold talon
haha, jokes on you that arrow points at you FPAul
pseudo basalt
Here's a recording of my friend on a quest https://puu.sh/G7Kph/357c7eb8bf.mp4
crisp pumice
ok. its just I wanted to know if it was possible for me to get in contact with Spark because I got his email and im lost in his instructions
pseudo basalt
It's wildly inconsistent as well
ashen elbow
Can I have VRChat to the normal? I hate the new update.
icy sedge
Ah I see I’m looking into buying a quest but I wasn’t sure about it’s mic or sound. I do have headphones and a mic but idk if I could connect it with my laptop it isn’t very good 😂😂
vocal shard
no frotzyz
ashen elbow
omfg. Uninstall
vocal shard
bye
wooden atlas
Rift S mic is worse, it actually blows out your eardrums when they go robot mode
cold talon
another one bites the dust
wooden atlas
But yeah that's a bit distorted
ruby needle
@crisp pumice If you had any kind of ticket open respond to the mail if you can.
Ticket stuff is not done here. (Here, as in on Discord)
crisp pumice
ok
pseudo basalt
vive doesn't have a great mic either
icy sedge
I just wanna make sure I have everything I need for when I get it rather then buy it and not have everything and have to buy it after I get it
cold talon
you know, this whole thing is not bad how it turned out, seems to be weeding out alot of the more toxic side of vrc, at least for a little while till the come back after 2 or 3 days
pseudo basalt
i've only heard the index have a really good one, but the rest sound average
wooden atlas
Index Headset isn't worth it imo
pseudo basalt
and quest sounds abysmal
wooden atlas
Just get a used vive with index controllers
Only problem is that you have to RMA the index controllers every 5 seconds bc the quality control is fucked for some reason
pseudo basalt
vive sucks
i would not recommend it in this day and age
if you get a really cheap deal, sure, but otherwise, no
wooden atlas
My friend has gone thru 4 pairs of index controllers bc they just broke on their own and another friend has gone thru 3 pairs
pseudo basalt
yeah, it's well known they have qa issues
and drifting thumbsticks that just die
icy sedge
Could I connect a mic and headphones to the quest
marsh willow
Could I connect a mic and headphones to the quest
@icy sedge yeah use steamvr :p
icy sedge
Would that be off of a pc/laptop
twin fractal
yes
icy sedge
Thank you this is gonna be my first vr product so I wanna make sure I get everything I need
indigo fern
Yo bahka you got this one?
viscid surge
Looking to get a headset and I have 400 dollars to burn, which one can I get away with?
hearty pine
Quest crashes a lot if you want that.. Mango..
I would save up man, I would if I were you..
alpine hearth
@willow heart Both the new and old FBT calibration doesn't work if your avatar has rig hacks. Best way to do it is use new calibration with an avatar that was rigged the way the devs want
viscid surge
What about the oculus rift s?
leaden thistle
How do I disable the pre-animated walking for full body tracking?
cold talon
vacuum noises
viscid surge
I’m willing to buy used
cold talon
with every post talking about this update i grow stronger
round shuttle
whats up with the annoucement, did an update break vrchat or something
vocal shard
don't look down then
problem fixed, next
stray leaf
I don't know if anyone else here has encountered this bug but I made a canny about an older issue with the outline of VR controllers lingering and causing tracking issues.
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/bug-outlines-of-vr-controllers-lingering-and-causing-tracking-issues
alpine hearth
Only way to do it now is mirrors
As for the legacy calibration option it worked for me but I wouldn't recommend it anymore. You can't calibrate the same way as before anymore without your avis going rubberband
untold ermine
some mirrors dont even show ur tracking balls sometimes :C
lament siren
@viscid surge I recommend the oculus rift s
for 400 it’s a steal
you need a beefy PC though
untold ermine
yea its not working for my friends either 😦
night yarrow
wtf, what is wrong with walking sideways now
tidal canyon
All my avatars are broke, the knees buckle together and all animations with hand objects are now half a foot off.
THIS UPDATE SUCKS
night yarrow
https://streamable.com/qfu0ly it was never looking that bad 🤔
Aslo jeez, that new calibration, need to remember to go back to legacy one before launching game next time, as this is so annoying as so badly working
honest flume
Honestly, I feel like a lot of this should have been set up to be optional. I feel like if they can make dynamic bones a button in settings, then a lot of this (like the calibration, keybinds, menu system) could have been an option as well. It would have been beneficial to vrc to do that. People love options, and giving people the option to modify their play like that would have made vrc look a bit more appealing. IDK... it's a thought.
wooden atlas
Anyone elses head freak out when they walk for a half second when not on fbt
honest flume
Like call the old set up "Legacy setup" and add a button for reverse form factor.
night yarrow
also using action menu on vive is nightmare, not enough button, i keep enabling it be accident and then closing it is also annoying, ugh
uneven narwhal
Is there a way to set the FBT calibration to how it was? Dont like the body being forced to move with the head
wooden atlas
Yeah it fucks up a lot of stuff with avatars.
And I don't think there's a way to change it back. Shame.
uneven narwhal
That isnt the one zepp suggested, no fix for me
alpine hearth
Legacy launch option is the only way to go back to old calibration
uneven narwhal
Eek, even that doesnt work
honest flume
But what about those that don't want the 3/0 form factor?
wooden atlas
Nope, not that. Actual legacy fbt option, not just the calibration
Bc the new "head always follows" thing fucked up so much it's unbelievable
alpine hearth
Oh yeah no I don't think so, no way to remove the hmd fixation
wooden atlas
Ffffuck
jade tartan
ooof
wooden atlas
Why is there not a legacy option for that??????
Literally would silence half of everyone's complaints about avatar problems
hybrid prism
29 hours later, peole still complaining? Or is this the second wave?
wooden atlas
29 hours later, people still complaining about people complaining? Or is this the second wave?
rain python
just spent 30 mins getting my avatar in fullbody to line up
hybrid prism
Wasn't complaining but suit yourself.
viscid surge
Has anyone used a Kinect for full body??
rain python
an it still isnt lined up
desert stratus
@viscid surge yes its good
wooden atlas
Welcome the the future mizuoh
rain python
it was ok the way it was why the gotta break it
hybrid prism
So far everything from my friends point of view, everything seemed fine before and after he launched the legacy and normal full body calibration.
wooden atlas
My friends all look horrible with the new hmd fixation
The models stretch and contort horribly
alpine hearth
Nobody notices the rubberbanding on your avatar, it's all local
rain python
new cali is awful an they broke the old one
indigo fern
No more head drift 🕺
Enjoy your viewpoint never going inside you
hybrid prism
People just need to learn how to trick the game into using a fake set height along with Playspace Mover
Better full body is always nice @indigo fern
wooden atlas
Oh I know the rubberbanding is local. But it's annoying that I have to see my avatar loook like a circus freak while I look at it in the mirror
indigo fern
Lay down and can actually see properly like whoa
rain python
using my real height makes it immpossible to line up the feet
wooden atlas
Would be nice if there was a legacy option for fbt, not just the calibration
hybrid prism
People moan about an improvement @indigo fern lmao
wooden atlas
Your viewpoint never being in your body anymore is nice
rain python
i never had that anyway
hybrid prism
@rain python use the player height in settings, my friend is 5'7 in real life and his set up for anime models now is 6'10
wooden atlas
But I'd rather my viewpoint be in my neck than see my avi squish like an accordion. But that's just my personal preference. That's why I think there should be a legacy option
rain python
im 6'2
hybrid prism
Go from there and calibrate up or down
alpine hearth
Does he not get rubberbanding locally?
rain python
i was using 5'6 perfectly but now its broken
hybrid prism
What I'm trying to say, Experiment before saying tjings are broken. And no @rain python he has zero rubber banding.
rain python
i did
wooden atlas
Oh I've experimented for 4 hours
hybrid prism
What headseats are y'all using?
rain python
nothing worked at all
wooden atlas
Cv1 and vive fbt
alpine hearth
And his feet aren't in his shins? I couldn't adjust that properly.
hybrid prism
@wooden atlas playspace calibrator doesn't work well in general, why i upgraded. But you may need to look at Playspace Calibrator since it also checks your height.
icy sedge
Would the quest link be a must to get with the quest or only if you really want more games I probably will only be using it for vrchat and some other games that seem to already be on it
ebon terrace
Hi I need help with my game
hybrid prism
@alpine hearth they are slightly l, but that's because anime models. I use some mmd models but mainly stick to more, Humanoid proportions.
wooden atlas
I use playspace calibrator.
ebon terrace
I can’t even launch it after I start the game and get to the screen to load into my private world it won’t let me hit go
hybrid prism
@wooden atlas Check their github for any update.
ebon terrace
I would share a vid of the issue but can’t send it
alpine hearth
Hope that doesn't mean less-humanoid avatars are unusable from now on. Imagine the outrage lol
wooden atlas
I don't really have a problem that bad with my avatar but my other friends have really bad issues with theirs bc of proportions
It's literally just bc of the new fbt hmd fixation
hybrid prism
@alpine hearth Not saying they aren't unusable. He has "Long ass" legs on his models too but it works fine. Mmd model always had issues with proportions for fbt.
@wooden atlas Use legacy then.
warped thorn
This update is actually really good for full body users. Besides. Tupper has been warning people to quit using "fixes" for like two years now. And people don't want to read https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/full-body-tracking for some reason.
alpine hearth
Read it multiple times, still have issues, not saying it's not good; I'm just saying it isn't working for me as well as it is for others.
wooden atlas
Dude. It's not the calibration. I've said this a billion times to people. It's the fact that your head always follows your hmd now no matter what. It does that with LEGACY AND NEW CALIBRATION
indigo fern
The head thing is a huge benefit to 0 drift now
hybrid prism
Id I've heard nothing but good things from my personal modeling server so.
rain python
i had 0 problems with fbt before, now i cant get anything working
wooden atlas
Well I'm glad everything is working great for you @hybrid prism but it's been hell for lots of other people
warped thorn
You need to find an avatar that matches your proportions and isn't doing any dumb things with it's armature.
hybrid prism
Or the dumn Hacks people have used
Or just ya know, get your model, find a 10 minute video on youtube about IK rigging, and apply that to your model.
wooden atlas
Maybe I don't want to use an avatar with my exact proportions in real life. The old tracking was fine with that.
indigo fern
The proportions aren't even too big of a deal, I've calibrated in lolis as well as slightly longer legged anime pretty normally
Tho for some I do have to readjust my height still
warped thorn
It >was< broken, though.
rain python
it wasnt
hybrid prism
Actually all 2.0 models were horribly broken.
wooden atlas
How
indigo fern
Head drift is a feature and seeing inside your chest is epic
rain python
for you yes, everybody else, no
hybrid prism
Due to the IK being messed up, not to mention neck fox issues
violet creek
hello there community
since the last big update with the new ui and everything, i have a problem with the htc vive control ingame. When i move with the touchpad, it uses the gesture with the direction i chose, after i stop. Is there a possible fix?
indigo fern
Lmao every fbt user has had drift issues so that's a flat out lie
rain python
wrong
hybrid prism
Talking to y'all is like talking to a wall, y'all don't listen.
Even when it says in bold ass text and has been said over 2 years now, y'all still say shit wasn't broken.
rain python
cus it wasnt
warped thorn
True. I don't bother trying to convince people until they go onto a help channel and ask for help.
hybrid prism
Exactly
cosmic pagoda
It was functional, there was some head drift though sure
warped thorn
Because that's when they're ready to accept another's viewpoint to solve a problem.
hybrid prism
@warped thorn Let them fall into insanity while we update our models flawlessly
wooden atlas
I noticed that oversight as well
rain python
i had it working perfect before, viewpoint was perfect, no drift an now no matter what i do nothing lines up
alpine hearth
That's the most elitist thing I've heard so far lmao
jovial kestrel
I would hardly refer to something using various hacks and armature tricks to function as "working".
cosmic pagoda
Idk I'm gonna try out the fbt tonight, if it's truly this broken then I'll go legacy. Sometimes stuff has to break for greater progress though, I hope 3.0 becomes a cool thing
hybrid prism
Nah y'all just don't pay attention to updates
uneven escarp
Head drift wasn't always noticeable and resulted in avatars scaling more seamlessly, now things are much more rigidly setup and doesn't often play well with user made content. The system should be forgiving
wooden atlas
There should be a counter to see how many people don't realize that the legacy calibration doesn't revert it back to the actual legacy fbt tracking
Just the calibration
warped thorn
I do understand their frustration, though. Making and maintaining a VRChat avatar has always been a game of Getting Over It With Bennet Foddy without an end, just a place where you stop for a while. Starting over from the beginning is often harder than first starting.
alpine hearth
I'm not saying you're wrong, you're right about it being broken; It's just the sudden breaking of everything that creates frustration lol, it was coming eventually, a warning would've been really helpful
uneven escarp
While 'wrong' it is better for the user for things to be slightly off, but not immediately noticeable as wrong.
cosmic pagoda
Well if it's that bad then maybe I'll be on here all angry like tonight
They can refund me all 0 dollars i paid for vrchat
wooden atlas
All I want is an option to disable hmd fixation. That's literally it
alpine hearth
Don't let the discord sway your opinion before trying, give it a shot and it might work for you.
hybrid prism
Everyone wants to crucify this update without trying it or even looking for fixes.
uneven escarp
Give it a shot, it isn't horrible imo. Somethings are better, some are worse. For me the controllers drift from the hands which is odd
hybrid prism
Simple as that@uneven escarp
cosmic pagoda
The index controllers needed gesture overhauls, hopefully this can fix it
warped thorn
Change is often uncomfortable. Unfortunately, change is inevitable.
wooden atlas
Yeah the controller drift is a very weird new issue that is most likely also bc of the new hmd fixation thing
rain python
we shouldnt have to look for fixes
uneven escarp
Don't know what they did to cause this, but it was and still is super noticeable that the handle angles are off as they move
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384108535887298582/741203110592249906/2020-08-07_00-48-00_1_1.mp4
cosmic pagoda
I mean we're playing on very new, gen 1'ish technology for virtual reality. it's gonna take some fixes man.
wooden atlas
Vrchat being free does not mean it is immune to criticism btw
cosmic pagoda
It clearly doesn't. Just offers some greater context.
hybrid prism
@rain python but y'all had to look for fixes with CATS fbt fixes and neck fixes.
wooden atlas
Yeah bc vrc is still and will always be a broken mess. There will always need to be a search for fixes.
indigo fern
They're also working on UI and menu reworks
rain python
i cant type today
tepid zenith
so yesterday my avatar 3.0 emotes were working, today i click them they do nothing
hybrid prism
It's a game that isn't even finished
We'll probably have an avatar 5.0 by the time this game is done.
wooden atlas
It's a unity game with no gameplay that's been in beta for like 6 years
hybrid prism
It's a social game, shouldn't really have gameplay
uneven escarp
The gameplay is who you find in the game~
indigo fern
I mean, udon was added months ago
cosmic pagoda
Were you looking for like, a dungeon boss or something
wooden atlas
Yeah I know lmao I've clocked in 3k hours
hybrid prism
And it's for "VR" which is a very new market. Even still.
rain python
half the gameplay is lining up my trackers to my feet
wooden atlas
That's the new mechanic. It's hard mode
cosmic pagoda
Short of me trying this update, maybe .1% of my gameplay was calibration
indigo fern
Minus the jank of people using the desync, freeze tag is popular still
hybrid prism
Freeze tag is great
rain python
they say to use our real height to calibrate, has anyone here done that an it actually work?
wooden atlas
I do and it worked for me, but most of my friends no.
It depends on your avatars proportions
indigo fern
I don't use my real height still, because of that ^
alpine hearth
Works only if your avatar is humanoid proportionally apparently
rain python
it puts me on some serious stilts
uneven escarp
Most avatars tend to work best at 1 inch shorter for me
wooden atlas
I was on stilts before on the old tracking and o didn't mind that.
Just wish I didn't have the squash and stretch shit with most of my avis now
indigo fern
Testing around from nikei, random lolis, and other long legged anime you still need to fiddle with height since they're all vastly different
rain python
i had it nearly 1 whole foot shorter to have it work, now that doesnt work either
indigo fern
I don't get any stretch tho, so I'm curious as to what's wrong
rain python
everything
hybrid prism
Sounds like weightpainting issues
rain python
not a single thing lines up for me
alpine hearth
Stretch happens when you set your height as lower than you actually are
rain python
i had no stretch either
alpine hearth
Compression is the opposite
wooden atlas
It's just because of the hmd fixation. I stg all they need to do is add an option to disable hmd fixation and all our problems will vanish into the wind
indigo fern
That just doesn't happen for me either
wooden atlas
Hmd fixation actually works great for me on my main avatar but I know for sure that it's fucked like 39 of my friends and my other avis over
indigo fern
Like does it even make it look weird when standing too? Or just moving around
wooden atlas
Standing and sitting. Look in rigging pics
orchid dawn
i hate this systemadd a damn option to take the radial menu away
rain python
this^
wooden atlas
He tried to fix it for 2 hours
deep flicker
wooden atlas
Couldn't fix it, and just got off
night yarrow
why my finger move on itself now, wtf
violet creek
someone with htc vive controllers here? i have a question
wooden atlas
I actually really like the radial menu
rain python
its awful
cosmic pagoda
I like the idea of it, anyways
wooden atlas
But there should be an option to disable it
indigo fern
youre gonna really hate the new UI when it finally rolls out
https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/g6ewpo/vrchat_ui_update_preview_from_the_dev_stream/
rain python
i cant even play for 1min without triggering it on accident
cosmic pagoda
Well you guys paint an ugly picture. Hopefully I'll uh, fare better lol
rain python
ill press the a button an it will open the menu an use an emote without me knowing
cosmic pagoda
It sounded like they're gonna drop a hotfix today'ish or maybe tomorrow
wooden atlas
Wishing the best for you
uneven escarp
I like the radial menu, it just also needs a button bind for gesture toggle
rain python
i had a gesture toggle bind
cosmic pagoda
gestures in index knuckles were always stupid with the hand tracking being impossible to control
alpine hearth
It really just depends on who you talk to. @cosmic pagoda Some have no issues and love the update with fbt, others can barely get it to work
wooden atlas
@@rain python I'd attach the radial menu to your hud if you accidentally open it a lot
rain python
thats even worse
cosmic pagoda
I figure maybe 20 minutes of tinkering and it'll be okay'ish. If not then maybe by next week it'll be patched up
marsh stump
Well....that was weird. Was loading into a world suddenly a thing called vrchat unity thing popped up it was like a loading bar thing then the game closed
north gust
At least if they fixes the hand alignment and the gesture problem, I m all good
rain python
its bound to 3 buttons
cosmic pagoda
The hidden mvp of the update imo is limiting the size of avatars in safety settings
north gust
First thing login was the laser point offset, then see my hands are rotated inward and tilted
rain python
stick, touch pad, and the A button some stupid reason
cosmic pagoda
can't you just bind it to more sane options?
rain python
i cant even press a
wooden atlas
@cosmic pagoda I didn't know they did that. That's fucking awesome
marsh stump
fr ima just take a break from vrchat for a few weeks untill they fix things
cosmic pagoda
It was somewhere in advanced safety options yeah, the default is 200mb though lol, I'll probably scale that backkkk
wooden atlas
Lmao
rain python
i removed the limit
sweet tundra
does anyone have the command line for legacy fbt?
wooden atlas
I'll probably still just keep the lookout off
cosmic pagoda
--legacy-fbt-calibrate
rain python
--legacy-fbt-calibrate
marsh stump
lol I set the limit to 1gb
sweet tundra
Ty ❤️
warped thorn
True. Who the heck makes a legit avatar that big?
rain python
@marsh stump just scale it all the way down and remove it
cosmic pagoda
Better be some 4k skin textures
marsh stump
my shiba avatar that I usually have is like not even 10 megs
jovial kestrel
Animations with lots of keyframes and long audio files usually bloat avatar sizes drastically.
marsh stump
like even the default 200 mb is a lot
warped thorn
Oh good. I've set mine to like 15-20 MB as a limit. So I don't have to listen to obnoxious sound bytes now except from the voice, and that's always easy to mute.
rain python
youll find all robots then
cosmic pagoda
It's the one thing that annoys me, I'll blame users and not vrchat. I'm listening to my spotify and they blast tunes over it
marsh stump
darn it don't you hate it when you mean to press shift and you press enter
rain python
yup
warped thorn
Yeah. Most publics are full of robots. And nothing of value was lost. Because I judge people based on themselves, not some avatar.
wooden atlas
Yeah most avatars are like, 50mb at least
rain python
same for me with shift and caps
marsh stump
ends up in me sending half complete messages that I have to quickly delete so I don't look like an idiot
wooden atlas
I don't mind unoptimized avatars so I'm just gonna turn that limit off completely
rain python
i sometimes go fulls caps half way through a sentance
wooden atlas
My one avatar is 500k polys but it doesn't run bad for people for some reason
cosmic pagoda
It'd be useful if the host of a large private world could set avatar size caps
indigo fern
no, an avatar with nothing on it is around 1mb
its counting the filesize of the compressed package
most normally optimized ones will be in the 2-10mb ballpark
cosmic pagoda
I guess for large private worlds, you can set avatar size caps, just make it easier on yourself for only those instances. Those worlds can get brutal
wooden atlas
Can you check the size of avis?
uneven escarp
The PC uploaded version of my Quest avatar was 823KB
indigo fern
it said they added it to the performance list, i havent check in game yet
cosmic pagoda
Eh it'd be in stats, I forget if it lists it
wooden atlas
Ok
uneven escarp
It isn't in stats unless they just added that
cosmic pagoda
Then I guess not. It's nice we get filesizes on worlds
indigo fern
``- Added an Avatar Download Size statistic to Avatar Performance Stats. This file size is the compressed package download size of the avatar package.
- Added an Avatar Download Size Limit to the Performance Options. You can adjust the limit in the Safety > Performance Options window``
havent checked in game yet tho, so not sure
cosmic pagoda
If they listed it then it's prob there then
uneven escarp
It there
cosmic pagoda
alright, time to see if my phd in VR'ology can get me to calibrate. See you on the other side boys
indigo fern
nice, we got it bois
uneven escarp
indigo fern
set that thing to 50mb or below
wooden atlas
Fbt and VR people in here exploding over the update and desktop users jus be like "idk what is happening"
uneven escarp
Desktop people: Neat a radial menu!
rain python
there is 0 point to playing on dt
wooden atlas
Ok just checked, my avi is only 26.1 mb despite having 500k poly
uneven escarp
Polys really don't increase size. Textures and having 'use legacy blendshape normals' off, does
wooden atlas
Ah ok
uneven escarp
I'm glad the finally added a warning in the SDK for having that option unchecked
covert chasm
I have 4 4k textures and 2 sound clips on my avatar and barely break 10mb-- most of the people I saw last night that were over my limit (50mb) had something very broken (legacy blendshapes) or were being basically malicious
its pretty eye-opening being able to see filesize 🤔
wooden atlas
The filesize option is really nice. Are you guys possibly planning on adding an option to disable hmd fixation?
covert chasm
HMD fixation? Like, you're just really into your HMD? 
wooden atlas
you know how the head on your avatars is now always lined up correctly? It's nice but I don't like the squash and stretch and would rather have the viewpoint drift
covert chasm
I know what you're talking about-- and yes, there is a way to revert to older calibration methods. I will say that there's no squashing or squishing going on. 🤔
It is in our documentation:
wooden atlas
The calibration isn't the problem, here I'm gonna post 2 pics in vrc pics, I'd appreciate if you could take a look
Or avatar rigging, my bad
covert chasm
That.. has nothing to do with FBT o_O
Something is super wonk with your rig.
FBT will never "stretch" like that.
cosmic pagoda
i had 1 minor hickup where my thumbstick wouldn't let me run around, fixed it somehow, everything else is working fine, FBT works
Here I was expecting death
covert chasm
Mika that's usually because your headset proximity sensor isn't giving proper data, you can disable AFK mode in the action menu
if you run into it again
wooden atlas
It didn't do that before this update so I'm just trying to figure out what to do. This isn't my model but it was purchased to edit.
So idk how to fix the rigging or what to do
cosmic pagoda
I mean it sucks other people are reporting death but yeah, I think it was afk that was ruining my thumbstick. FBT is fine, all is well.
wooden atlas
Voice delay can't be fixed lol that's internet
cold talon
Nice cross channel post bro
wooden atlas
LMAOO
cold talon
Done and done
indigo fern
can av3 chicken be the new mascot?
covert chasm
voice delay is "the internet", correct
indigo fern
change banner to av3 chicken too
tired of seeing aev
covert chasm
i'm telling
indigo fern
nothing wrong with him, just the chicken is objective better
cold talon
Wow, [aev will remember that]
indigo fern
🙏
velvet totem
I always imagined the voice delay being the specific data or server center you guys used.
wooden atlas
Voice delay can only be seen locally on your avatar's mouth anyway
velvet totem
ew
keen egret
ew
cold talon
jovial kestrel
Tsk tsk.
indigo fern
theres your you tired star
cold talon
Is that cannon?
covert chasm
north gust
Tupper?
covert chasm
🔺
🔺🔺
cold talon
Like does the chicken have 4 arms around its body?
north gust
Is there a fix to the hands rotation and tilt?
wary hollow
A reminder for FBT users who don't like the new calibration method.
Paste this into Steam run options for vrchat
--legacy-fbt-calibrate
wooden atlas
I actually like the new calibration slightly better but it would be nice to eventually have an easily toggleable option to use either whilst in game
velvet totem
oh I noticed something to this update. I have shoulder plates attached to my upper arm bones, but I see their position/tilt differently to what everyone else sees. I wonder if that was intentional or why it does that
covert chasm
@wary hollow Please don't copy/paste messages across multiple channels
north gust
I m seeing the laser was off when I logged in at first, laster I found the hands are rotated and tilted, now cant even do double thumbs up.
wary hollow
@covert chasm Trying to spread it but okay.
cold talon
Can we ban SAADHERO?
covert chasm
It is in the patchnotes on Discord, on our docs, and in our Launch Options section on our docs-- people can find it 🙂
thin ether
i wish the devs and the vrchat team would just listing to what the vast majority of the player base is saying about the update and come to their minds that they putout the update too soon instead of just taking their time with avatar 3.0 and fixing the things that needed to be fix first.
I want a rollback on the update as much as i want it, i know they are not going to do that for the players and avatar makers.
If they look at it they would see that more people hate the update then love it.
If it is easy thing to do, then a rollback would be nice.
wary hollow
Not many people seem to read the notes sadly
north gust
I m not sure about others but because I sign to communicated, now its bothering me because the hand position is so off then before
cosmic pagoda
Hm I'm in a random 3.0 hub world, people are just joking around about 3.0, there isn
velvet totem
I love reading patch notes. I like new things 😄
cosmic pagoda
isn't really a mob demanding blood
wary hollow
@velvet totem Like opening a present you may find something you wanted added
indigo fern
yea when i was on last night there was a solid 1 guy saying it sucks, everyone else was excited for the chicken flailing his head around, you know sensible people
wooden atlas
Rollback? Why not just add options for everything in the past update??
covert chasm
ah yes 500 toggles
velvet totem
True, I like change and additions
covert chasm
wary hollow
500 thats a lot
wooden atlas
I'll take it
indigo fern
do you know who made the chicken off the top of your head? i'll check if you dont remember
covert chasm
i believe we purchased it
wary hollow
Was it worth it
indigo fern
frick, not user made from the community
indigo fern
nice, thanks
wooden atlas
he's lookin pretty fresh doe.
wary hollow
Can it be eatten?
covert chasm
no, how horrifying
indigo fern
it would be extremely painful
covert chasm
you're a big guy
indigo fern
for you
covert chasm
go to popeyes
wary hollow
Corona says NO!
cold talon
Can yall stop making me hungry
covert chasm
they have drivethrus!
wary hollow
🤔 True
wooden atlas
im eating fried rice and lo mein
covert chasm
if taco bell drivethrough had closed for the pandemic i'd be a mummified husk at this point tbh
wary hollow
F
cold talon
Taco bell burning pandemic, so that's where all the toilet paper went
wary hollow
xD
covert chasm
hold on i gotta ping everyone
indigo fern
frick
indigo fern
fuck he wasnt bluffing
cold talon
Tupper no
grim canopy
LOL Tupper one last ping
covert chasm
told you
cold talon
Bad bad 🗞️
covert chasm
i'm allowed
grim canopy
ik ik lol
wary hollow
How convenient i was about to work on the model on a old sdk good to see its out
thick drift
oof is this channel as packed as public lobby lol
gusty sapphire
hold on, that's ilegal! Hello police?
grim canopy
Tupper Been Busy With All The Updates lol
north gust
Welp, hope for the next patch then
balmy frost
Spanking intensfies
modern fossil
I've got more of a problem with how moving now disables your active gestures...
north gust
I hope next week my hands back to where they were
cold talon
Ok, time to go back into the bunkers, the hoard is comimg
half kite
Why can’t VRC take criticism
tulip cairn
you would think vrchat discord would have a vc
grim canopy
indigo fern
that a god awful idea
covert chasm
absolutely not
cold talon
Why would it have vc, like holy
vocal shard
would be hell and hilarious
half kite
It would be the best thing ever
vocal shard
just 60 people in it mic spamming and hearing that bitrate go to shit
wary hollow
Here goes the chat filled with people again
cold talon
Damn, won't be able to record this one
covert chasm
i'll make a vc channel, set it to 8kbps, and make myself priority speaker and play the gunbuster march at +20db
half kite
Alright
cold talon
@covert chasm do it, I dare you
velvet totem
lol
grim canopy
Tupper btw my new controller finally coming in got the 2020 index
north gust
absolutely not
@covert chasm sorry to ping, but may I know are there any way to counter act the offset of hands due to the update?
half kite
I’m fine with that
wary hollow
@covert chasm You want to torture us i see
covert chasm
@north gust We're aware of the issue but don't have a fix in yet
half kite
So just get one, ez
indigo fern
april fools vc sounds exciting
compact river
off set of hands? nani
north gust
Thanks for telling me that at least you guys noticed the issue
grim canopy
Please Don't Spam The Admin, He's Aloud
polar lichen
So on a scale of 1 to 100 how scuffed are V2 avatars in general? lol, curious how soon I'm going to have to put in the work learning SDK V3
north gust
@compact river Hands were rotated and tilted, when I first in game yesterday
cold talon
@polar lichen anywhere in between 1 and 99.99
north gust
It's not where they were pointing at
polar lichen
so it's going to entirely depend on the avatar and what features you were using I'm guessing
indigo fern
av2 should be fine now
north gust
I have posted here before, search "hand" and you will found it
cold talon
If you are using fbt fix it will be funky, otherwise mostly fine
indigo fern
av2 fbt is still fine too, unless you did the neckfix or other old fixes
grim canopy
indigo fern
its only for some, their controllers are actually drifting
wooden atlas
they moved the orientation/rotation of the hands back towards the body a bit
grim canopy
Ok Wishes Out Back TO VRChat World Making
indigo fern
yea its an actual problem
compact temple
Alright so all these fixes are good, but can we get a fix for the not being able to turn or move while holding gestures?
compact river
i slept through last night so i think i missed it
compact temple
That was the biggest issue, holding a gesture on left hand would swap back to default gesture when moving
And when turning on right
tulip cairn
the size of the furhub world terrifies me
wary hollow
xD
modern dirge
hey so I'm thinking of getting into vr well i have a psvr but i want to get into pc vr. So i was wondering what a good vr headset is because im thinking of getting the quest
compact temple
Don’t get the quest
modern dirge
what should i get
compact temple
If you’re wanting to not spend a fortune, get a Rift S
If you’re okay spending a bit more, get an index
modern fossil
Anyone else having trouble with gestures while moving?
polar lichen
rift s if you want to save money and don't really care too much about having trouble adding full body tracking later. index if you want high quality and ease of adding FBT
wooden atlas
Rift S has really bad quality control issues depending on what when it was made though, so be cautious of that
modern dirge
ok
compact temple
@modern fossil yes, right now it’s the biggest issue with this update
nimble mirage
my advisory on equipment is the index
modern dirge
i also heard about the mic issue
modern fossil
Thank God I'm not the only one noticing the gesture problem.
compact temple
You can’t hold left hand gestures while moving, or right hand gestures while turning
nimble mirage
valve is consistent with their quality and its actually really awesome to use in general too
wooden atlas
Ive had at least 5 friends go thru multiple Rift S before they got one that worked or decided to go with a different headset. And yes, 50% of them have the mic issue.
polar lichen
The main issue with the Rift S is that it doesn't get enough power from the USB ports on some PCs. 99% of the problems with the Rift S can be solved with a powered USB hub. The microphone is an ongoing nuisance though
compact temple
It’s better than a quest though
zenith perch
i like what they did with VR chat i hope they keep it that way
compact temple
However it is possibly to use a link cable and connect the quest to your PC and use it like that, idk how convenient that is, haven’t tried it
modern dirge
well so i have a decent pc a 2070 and a i9 9900k so its just a hard decision
wooden atlas
Quest mic is lower quality but doesnt glitch out. Also The quality control is better and I've heard the quest with link is actually really good and reliable.
polar lichen
The link basically turns a Quest into a Rift S. That's the long and short of it.
compact temple
If you have a powerful PC get an index. You’ll get your moneys worth
modern dirge
ok
wooden atlas
DONT use quest without link cable. it's bad.
vocal shard
I've been looking to get a Valve Index at some point since I'm stuck with the Rift S for now
I'm just tired of the random rotation locks at this point
wooden atlas
Index overheats pretty easily and is quite heavy but its good overall
nimble mirage
i haven't had heat problems with the index at all
compact temple
I’m still rocking the original Vive, I’m planning on swapping to index soon and buying a pair of vive pro controllers
modern dirge
wow the valve index is $2,400
wooden atlas
there's an actual twitter thread of someone cooking an egg with their index, pretty epic
vocal shard
What currency? @modern dirge
modern dirge
us dollars
vocal shard
Should be $1,000??
nimble mirage
its $1K for the headset, 2 base stations, and 2 controllers
modern dirge
like the kit
polar lichen
If you're ordering it from eBay yeah. Get it directly from Valve. You'll have to sit on a waiting list for a few weeks, but you'll save a ton of money
wooden atlas
i was just about to say that's a bit much. The whole kit should be no more than 1400
modern dirge
for everything its 2.4k
nimble mirage
https://store.steampowered.com/sub/354231/ I'm seeing 1K here
vocal shard
From what seller/site Chris?
modern dirge
amazon
compact temple
Get it from valve directly
vocal shard
Well that explains it
nimble mirage
Ah yeah that's the issue. Get it from Steam directly
modern dirge
oh o
vocal shard
Yeah Valve has had it at $1k since launch
polar lichen
There'll be a waiting list, but it's not terrible. Friend of mine got the Index and it's a solid piece of hardware, best head-mounted display currently available on the market at consumer level
modern dirge
but if i weren't to spend that much what should i get
polar lichen
If you don't want to spend that much, the Rift S is the best option. Be aware that adding full body tracking is a bit of a chore.
vocal shard
So with the Index base stations, how can I set them up? Like opposite corners of the room, or do they have to be relatively side by side?
wooden atlas
I'd honestly say a quest with the link cable, but most people give that headset a lot of shit for no reason. Other good option would probably be a used vive off of amazon or maybe a rift S, if you're willing to possibly get a faulty headset.
tawny frigate
yall see the nanatchi at the new hub with dynamic thickness? Best update ever.
nimble mirage
Corners is the best, but side by side works fine
wooden atlas
... Dynamic thiccness???
nimble mirage
For bonus ducks get more than 2 stations, but that's if you are really really nitpicky about always having 100% tracking coverage (it's great with just 2, no issues by any means)
wooden atlas
Can you... change the thicc level??
tawny frigate
yes
wooden atlas
😳
vocal shard
Is there a range limit to the base stations? My space is maybe like 20-25ft wide, but my PC is in a corner and I have a wider standing space about 6ft to the right of my PC
nimble mirage
Yeah there's a range limit, that's where having more comes in handy, I think 25ft wide should be within the range of two. it's pushing it(?), but it should work
wooden atlas
they've got pretty good range i think
vocal shard
I just don't want to move them back and forth if I do sim racing vs standing (unless I can move them and have no issues)
nimble mirage
iirc the range of a single station is like 11ft but that's off of memory and I am very likely wrong. Ask the holy oracle Google, he knows better than I
modern dirge
so i might go for the quest with the link cable
nimble mirage
have fun
wooden atlas
I honestly think it's a better option than Rift S since support for S has completely dropped off the face of the earth, while Quest continuously gets new updates and development
they even have finger tracking in beta, controllerless.
vocal shard
Yeah, the S still has tracking locks randomly, and yet I'm up to date on the drivers
polar lichen
the tracking locks are solved with a powered USB hub. i had the same problem
modern dirge
wahat about the hp reverb g2
wooden atlas
never even heard of that
vocal shard
Ah, well that explains a lot, thanks! @polar lichen
wooden atlas
i hear windows mixed reality is ok ish but the tracking is dogshit
modern dirge
yeah
polar lichen
the issue is that the headset can't draw quite enough power from the motherboard. if you get an externally powered USB hub and have only the Rift S connected to it, it draws the necessary power from that and solves almost all the issues with your hands getting "stuck".
vocal shard
Wait do you have a USB hub that connects via USB to the PC or to an outlet?
wooden atlas
both
polar lichen
Both. It needs to plug into the PC for data transfer, and into an outlet to provide extra power
wooden atlas
it connects to the pc via usb and into an outlet on the wall
nimble mirage
I wonder if connecting two wii remotes and using my dolphinbar will allow for hand tracking 🤔
vocal shard
Greeaatt looks like I gotta do some power strip management
wooden atlas
I have one from ANKER that is quite nice.
polar lichen
I just bought a cheap 20 dollar ONN one from Walmart. Works fine.
vocal shard
What sucks is that I just want one port on the hub, but from what I've seen on Amazon so far is multiple USB ports on the hub
I can probably find one somewhere though
wooden atlas
better to have too much than not enough i guess
vocal shard
True
polar lichen
Honestly the extra ports don't bother me. The one I have has 4 ports. One is reserved for my Rift, I have a USB cable plugged into the second to charge my phone on if I don't feel like going to plug it in in the bedroom...the others just sit unused.
tight jolt
free fortnite accout
vocal shard
Welp, off to charge my phone while in VR for the next 2-3 hoursss
wooden atlas
I like ones with tons of ports, bc eventually i might use them even if currently they're sitting unused. Currently i use every port on my anker, and it's 7 ports
vocal shard
Geeeez
wooden atlas
2 for oculus lighthouses, 3 for fbt pucks, 1 for mouse, 1 for xbox one controller
wary hollow
USB wire nightmare
polar lichen
I try to use the ports on a hub as little as possible...more ports doesn't mean more bandwidth on the one port it's connected to, after all 😄 not that the Rift requires a ton of data bandwidth, of course
wooden atlas
yeah it's a mess tbh.
vocal shard
You haven't seen the back of my PC @wary hollow
wooden atlas
it's like a jungle back there. I don't touch it.
vocal shard
Right next to a power strip as well, it's much yikes
Cuz I kinda need that power strip :P Right, imma go for real now cyaaa
wary hollow
@vocal shard 👀
polar lichen
ugh, i feel ya. mouse, keyboard, webcam, microphone, my Rift, a tablet, a game controller...plus the three cables going into my graphics card, my network cable, XD
wooden atlas
i like to lay old shirts over top of my mess of wires and my power strip to make sure they stay dust free
pallid fog
hey isnt there a way to use old fbt setup
like we input something in launch properties
wary hollow
@pallid fog
Paste this into Steam run options for vrchat
--legacy-fbt-calibrate
pallid fog
thx
wary hollow
🙃
vocal shard
people crashed a world by spawning in objects wtf
dusty ember
hii
if i want a custom avatar how much should i expect to pay?
i want to commission but dont want to waste anyones time
wooden atlas
Personally I like to buy bases or avatars for like , 30-40 bucks and then edit them myself in unity
color changes, adding props and assets, emmisions, small texture edits, etc
graceful pewter
that works especially well if you're looking for furry avatars
polar lichen
yeah, if the avatar you want already exists as a publicly available mmd model and you just need it set up in unity with basic functionality that's not bad. modeling and rigging from scratch, that's labor intensive and demanding
dusty ember
damn
wooden atlas
I still need to edit my zoichi base i have. I have no idea how to use blender tho so adding hair will be hell'
graceful pewter
and that goes up even higher if it's not anime because then you might have to do a high poly to low-poly workflow which adds even more time
polar lichen
i'm still learning the very basics of modeling and setting up bones in Blender, long way to go
dusty ember
ok how much are lessons on how to make youre own?
polar lichen
free on youtube provided you have the patience to search through them and follow along? what it'll really come down to is whether or not you have the "knack" for it
graceful pewter
void osprey
My sitting play is still broken. I'm so confused on what's happening 😢
polar lichen
major update today panda. things are in various states of broken with V2 avatars from what i hear, although they're fixing stuff pretty quickly
wooden atlas
i learned everything for free by using youtube tutorials
most are pretty good just make sure they're up to date
dusty ember
cool
severe dew
I was in the army to kill knuckles
dusty ember
btw is the quest good with vrchat?
wooden atlas
with link cable? Yes. Without? debatable.
hard burrow
I only heard about that uganda meme before I joined VRChat. Interesting times I've never been a part of.
severe dew
There was like alot of peeps online
somber rain
uganda was VRChat's Peak imo lmao
hard burrow
I joined VRChat this past week since I finally got an Oculus Rift S (and didn't know there was a way to play on Desktop).
severe dew
and the onigirls is where I met one of the vrc developers
wooden atlas
vrc mobile when
hard burrow
^ but with limited features?
severe dew
Link cable
hard burrow
good point
severe dew
But still youll get black bricks
hard burrow
Unfortunately, that's the only downside.
severe dew
Rift s on the other hand is okay
hard burrow
It's a good device for now.
severe dew
I'm talking about the quest having issues
hard burrow
I've heard about Quest issues, but I didn't know it was that bad.
dusty ember
my country doesnt sell shit
hard burrow
I wish I got the Valve Index, but it's SO EXPENSIVE!
severe dew
Rift s is good for pc vr at its price
dusty ember
the quest is 1100 cad here
hard burrow
Yeah, it's a good price tbh.
severe dew
Ur looking at the wrong seller
I did my research
And the worst headset you can get is the comos
And the hp reverb g2 released this month has been reported to have issues bugs
dusty ember
cool
severe dew
Such as bad tracking
dusty ember
my laptop can barely run vr so im going for the quest 2
modern hamlet
im gonna try to port a plants vs zombies avatar
graceful pewter
https://vroid.com/en/studio also this is a nice option if you wanted to make an Anime Avatar without having to learn a whole modeling pipeline
craggy mist
Anyone wanna play vrchat with me?
vocal shard
we gonna talk about the horrible head thrashing while moving in desktop/half body?
civic merlin
I’ve had zero issues with the patch
static spear
hi
misty crypt
There's reports, roumers and videos of an exploit in a modded client allowing remote execution of browsers. Anyone on the VRChat team want to confirm or deny?
brisk orchid
vocal shard
Anyone looking for friends? I’ve been on the hunt to find someone to play with my no luck
my game is running with 10 fps on desktop wtf i reinstalled it even and still does it anyone knows what it could be
What a horrble change with the Jump button.
dusty ember
best avatar world?
graceful pewter
depends on what kind of Avatar you want
graceful pewter
I have no clue myself as I don't use Avatar worlds hopefully someone here has good ideas
dusty ember
no tiny cute girl
analog steeple
You're very picky @dusty ember
analog steeple
no its okay i just found it funny
graceful pewter
that Anime Avatar generator software I linked you might want to go with so that you can make something not so scantily clad
dusty ember
hm?
compact river
how 2 disable the avatars 3.0 wheel menu?
graceful pewter
graceful pewter
yes it does have buttons to decimate stuff down to quest levels but you'll still need to do stuff in unity to upload it but you shouldn't necessarily need to touch blender to start
compact river
i just want my one click gesture lock this is cancer
cursive tapir
Thanks for getting rid of basically what is bunny hopping in vrchat
Also great job on ruining calibration.
10/10 why, I don't make maps for you all anymore.
gilded helm
I might need to open a support ticket. I couldn't fix the issue where everytime I turn my avatar via my right controller an emote plays
graceful pewter
glad I could help
and shouldn't be too hard to do the Avatar in your icon if they don't have a super onate outfit
gilded helm
I'm not sure if other people are getting it and since I've not gotten an concrete answer when I bought it up earlier I might as well try open a support ticket if that is possible
spare beacon
Any want to play?
But that I play i will speak whit discord
No in the game because i have problems in the game chat
gilded helm
Oh alright so I'm not alone in this. When I mentioned it earlier I wasn't really given a straight forward answer which is why I sent the ticket
cursive tapir
Go to reddit
Bout sums up how much thought they put into their player base after 3 years
But on the bright side, stuff will get better i guess :nods:
A lot of people just mad for the time being xD
Then a lot of people embracing, that's how stuff goes.
Regardless VRChat is unique, and they will live and learn. But I'm petitionion for a damned toggle on this UI where my rift jump used to be, I like bunny hopping!!!!! So till then I'ma be a brat :nods:
wary hollow
Nothing bad Lasts forever
proper tendon
Is the new update available on Steam yet? The one that's supposed to fix the default animations? I can't find any available update since the one from yesterday.
vocal shard
anyone knows a solution why my framerate is locked to 10 fps on desktop suddenly?
This update really should be rolled back and put in beta
west yoke
@vocal shard It was in Beta but it doesn't "matter" that much when nearly nobody uses it.
wary hollow
@proper tendon yea its live
vocal shard
Regardless a rollback is necessary
wary hollow
@west yoke Agreed Sadly almost no one uses the beta i suppose because you meet no one there and its not obvious option in steam
vocal shard
Hi
wary hollow
@vocal shard I doubt that will happen change most happen they will fi hopefully
compact river
menu needs a toggle off
proper tendon
Weird. I can't find any available update. But my legs don't pretzel-ify when I crouch anymore.
Now if only there was a fix available for all of my avatars suddenly standing on their toes 100% of the time while in desktop mode.
vocal shard
Yeah, a rollback would be admitting they messed up, they wouldn't do that
grim ember
sooo when the update come out to re register controllers into the game?
west yoke
They probably know they "messed" up but most of the issues players are running into likely weren't found during the beta and if it was it couldn't be reproduced and only like one person said something about it.
So they released it and are now fixing bugs and issues.
proper tendon
I find it really hard to believe they didn't notice 90% of avatars using the wrong animation set in beta.
west yoke
You'd only really realize it if you sat down in a chair with the model imo
proper tendon
I noticed it with one look in the mirror as soon as I got on yesterday.
west yoke
Was there an issue with the legs or something?
indigo fern
you know there has been roll backs in the past right?
the first test at network ik they had to roll back immediately
grim ember
wish they did a full roll back right now lol
proper tendon
Yeah. The model was standing up way too straight, and her hands were in the wrong place/behaving differently. Then I checked some other models and they all had the same issue. Walking looked weird and one in particular pretzeled her legs when I crouched.
winter cape
yo i enabled flick select or w/e on the stupid menu on accident and now i cant do select anything with it or close anyone know a fix?
proper tendon
I can't imagine that if there were more than a dozen people in the beta that they didn't notice most of these issues considering how quickly most of them were found in live.
strange osprey
quickly select it and unselect it is how i did it
indigo fern
that issue wasnt in the beta i dont think, was recent change
yea because it was super obvious on live, didnt notice it when i was testing
woven tendon
@winter cape if you disabled flick select then you have to use the trigger to select something
proper tendon
Why would anyone even have a beta if they were going to make changes and put them on live without going through the beta first?
woven tendon
so it is either flick or trigger to select
west yoke
Even on live most of my avatars look fine with none of my recent ones having that cross legged issue, a few of my friends avatars had it however.
winter cape
@woven tendon oh that must be it thanks
woven tendon
np!
indigo fern
it was such an easy fix someone probably just misclicked something lmao
cobalt locust
Good evening
proper tendon
And now all my avatars are standing on their toes. Which looks super weird an unnatural. Yes I can (probably) fix this by disabling toe bones and reuploading, but 1) I shouldn't have to and that's a lot of avatars to reupload, and 2) I like having the ability to go up on tip toes when I'm in VR.
marsh stump
Seems the update broke swim animations too, when I play on that world called deep blue my avatar would do swim animations after the update it no longer does it
btw I looked at the discussion tab on the post on steam and it was nothing but negative feedback
misty spruce
Hey, does anybody know where I can get a snuffling skin from moomin valley at?
spice sun
All my animations and seated play are still broken after updating
Is anyone else having the same problem?
proper adder
can you disable menu longpress on oculus?
half sinew
my internet speed and ping are normal, but when I downloading world it's slow asf
lime ridge
does anyone know how to disable the action menu if possible? i really liked the old stuff-
limber tree
Does anyone have an Asuna avatar I could have? I don't know any world's that have one and I'm looking for a public one so I can give it to my gf.
pearl onyx
@limber tree i dont, ill look into it and send you the model when i can