Seems like a lot of people change between a few depending on what they're doing, which I like, but I'd like at least 1 that's "me"
#vrchat-general-2
wind grove
sinful plank
@molten gale yeah I guess I spelled it wrong oh my thank you
wind grove
my plan is for a pretty simplistic avatar, but I already have a few color variations and animation sets I've thought of so it might get a little hectic
not much else to do with my time after work though, so why not
molten gale
Mhm
vocal shard
Hey
wary hollow
Hey does vrchat support eye tracking?
vocal shard
only simulated eye tracking
inner cape
(no)
vocal shard
Umm why is VrChat constantly making my friend crash by saying Unity 2018
molten gale
lmao
wary hollow
is there a possible way to control the eyes i wonder
and force eye tracking if u have such vr hmd
inner cape
nope
vocal shard
I’ve seen people use voice changers within VR. How do you do this?
For me, using the oculus default microphone on voice changing software like MorphVOX doesn’t work and only works when using my pc mic, so how the hell did people on YouTube get theirs to work?
proven carbon
probably voicemod
proven carbon
Popular youtubers also probably have some fancy set-up too
vocal shard
I have a fancy set up 😂
proven carbon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven carbon
no, I mean a fancy mic set-up
vocal shard
I just really wanna know how they did it :|
proven carbon
2080 ti doesn't mean fancy
vocal shard
How would they connect it to the headset?
They were using my headset too
and my headset doesn’t allow for mic connections
Don't use the default mic. Select one that specifically says something like USB oculus mic
broken plover
if you use voice mod, you have to set the voicemod output as your microphone in vrchat. Not the oculus microphone
vocal shard
I know
For some reason there’s no output for me
My mic without any of the voice changer software works great
I was thinking if the tubers downloaded a special software to make a new output for the microphone so it works?
It’s a little frustrating since the only way I’m able to use voice changers on VRChat is by using desktop mode, which isn’t very fun
inner cape
i feel attacked
cold talon
the vest works in an entirely different way, it is not hooked up to the vrc client in any way @wary hollow
vocal shard
Nah. For me I just used morphvox pro and that does all the work for assigning the mic
What headset do you have?
Perhaps you could help me, if it’s alright with you
I just really wanna get it to work lol
I have rift s
Ah that could be the problem then
I’m using oculus link
Oh
just tried, there is no output
whatsoever
wary hollow
@cold talon ahhh i see.
I hop the eye tracking gets added
cold talon
Eh, I would not hold my breath, unless it becomes a big thing it won't be added any time soon
vocal shard
there was a way to get your discord profile showing
cold talon
showing? in what way?
vocal shard
like as when you look at your profile your discord name shows there or even for other users
im trying to get it back on my profile
is there a link to put in so it shows your discord name on your profile
broken plover
do you mean make your discord show on your vrchat profile?
nocturne sand
I mean you can edit your description on the website but that doesn't show up ingame
broken plover
or your status ingame
vocal shard
like my discord name and # number to show up like on discord like before on vr chat but at the moment it dosent show on vr chat
but as you can see most users their discord name is on there but in vr chat
inner cape
the status message in game or on the website you can add it to your accounts
vocal shard
Bruh, Just change your status to your discord name in game
inner cape
i am, if you have the coin
vocal shard
you mean money? because i was mostly just trying to find out out why it wasnt uploading avatars and such.
wary hollow
its easy get unity correct Ver and SDK2 and add a descripter for the model if none is there and there u go upload it
vocal shard
yeah, thats why i was asking here because i am still confused, i get done with the avatar and go to upload and it doesnt do anything.
vocal shard
thanks
wary hollow
ur welcomed
final wagon
Dude being a female in VRchat must suck sometimes
mild flare
Well they get all the Simps 🙃
final wagon
Lol good point
solar lotus
it still sucks when people creep on you
mild flare
That’s fair
digital raft
What’s the point of being a female in a game with no currency or gear?
solar lotus
I may be female, but I am still a person and enjoy the game like anyone else.
vocal shard
solar lotus
I think this is true for others like me.
vapid idol
Hi
magic mantle
@inner cape from earlier: the avatar reset only seems to happen when exiting an area with alot of people
since my PC is kinda eh
inner cape
why would it reset your avatar tho 🤔
magic mantle
not sure
if I'm not mistaken, it plays the "disconnected" beep
the game struggles to load levels
vocal shard
I'm still looking for a VR Headset.
magic mantle
tbh if you're willing to pay $400 the Oculus Quest is good
It's not only self contained but also allows you to use it as a Rift
no extra accessories needed too
vocal shard
I was going to get the Oculus Rift S, but I can’t find it anywhere available. Apparently it’s the best one.
Plus, I don’t know what site is the safest to use.
cold talon
Well, index is the best, but mighty expensive, rift S is now very expensive too since the whole virus thing
vocal shard
I’ve never heard of the index, is it better than the Oculus Rift S? Do you have a headset & controllers?
cold talon
Yes, the controllers have full finger tracking too
It's uses outside in tracking compared to the inside out tracking of quest and rift s
worldly birch
vocal shard
Jesus Christ the Valve Index is very expensive.
cold talon
Myes
But its really good imo
But it all depends on your use case, and what you want to do in the future regarding vr
solar lotus
it also makes it easier to upgrade to full body tracking
cold talon
Yeah that's what I mean with what you want to do in the future, much easier to upgrade to fbt and no need to get more base stations for it
sterile ingot
Not to mention you'd be free of Facebook's prying eyes.
solar lotus
And it's not camera based tracking.
Though I think it still has headset cameras
sterile ingot
Yes, Valve just introduced a 3d passthrough mode that seems a lot like AR.
It's using those cameras.
vocal shard
Funny how, I'm an oculus user, and I usually brush off Facebook hate since everything is stealing our data and Facebook isn't likely the biggest contender in our day to day lives....
Yet looking at the Facebook full body tracking demo, using a camera to track your entire body, as well as having face cameras to make a 3d model of your face and place it in VR... It just feels like too much 
Cool tech... But a bit intrusive imo
sterile ingot
I actually think for full body tracking that may be the preferable fix, cameras. As for the logic you are using to brush off Facebook hate, it sounds an awful lot like "What-about-ism".
The issue with Facebook isn't that they have your data, it's that they illegally use it. Unlike companies like Google who have your info and have done nothing with it.
vapid idol
Hi
vocal shard
Heya
sterile ingot
Facebook used that info for Cambridge Analytica, Facebook allowed CEOs to read users PM's. No other company has done that.
And yes, you CAN avoid it by not using their services. You choose not to.
solar lotus
i think part of it is facebook is around a lot
I don't use their services but I can bet that they still have info
sterile ingot
If you want to use Facebook and Oculus, go ahead. Just don't say it can't be helped because it can.
vocal shard
It's hard because I'm required to use things like WhatsApp for work, and most of my family stay in touch on Instagram. I don't have a "Facebook" account, never have... but their other owned companies have already come in and been used
sterile ingot
Requiring WhatsApp for work? I mean . . . it's better than Zoom . . .
grand heart
Hii Guys What is the Game That is better Climb VR or Windlands 2
Well
Answer ME!!!!!!!
ruby needle
Please dont ask the same thing in multiple channels
Especially as this is not VRChat related, this channel is the wrong place for it.
sterile ingot
Meh, I feel like I am coming down on you for your choices when all I wanted to do was correct the faulty logic. I use Facebook, I'm not here saying don't use Facebook (Unless you are actually trying to avoid them, in reference to the "can't be helped" point). I am saying there are options and choices.
Well, I barely use Facebook. 😒 I still haven't purchased a single Oculus game for Revive.
vocal shard
Only oculus game I have is lone echo... Which is great 
sterile ingot
There are quite a few games from Oculus I am interested in. I guess I am hoping Oculus starts to flounder or just gets the right idea and let exclusives move to Steam.
idle zealot
I dont even have a oculus cuz i can play without it, the experience is better with oculus but You dont need it to play VRchat\
vocal shard
Mhmm
idle zealot
So yeah
sterile ingot
Then I can delete my Facebook account again, even though they don't ACTUALLY delete it.
sterile ingot
In my perfect world, Facebook just stops being shitty so I can stop harping on them. I don't think that will happen though without regulating the internet. And that is something most internet users don't care for.
In the EU if you delete your account Facebook is required by law to remove the data and not just hang onto it like they do in America.
vocal shard
Ah
sterile ingot
That's because there are laws in the EU saying they can't say "delete" without actually deleting, if I remember correctly.
vocal shard
Interesting. Yeah wish some internet laws would be standardized.
solar lotus
worldwide GDPR would be nice as a start
sterile ingot
They kind of are. Whenever the EU decides on some internet legislation that tends to affect American internet companies. Usually they will just adopt the rule to mitigate any headaches with foreign law. That's why everyone was so upset over that more recent set of laws about copyright and links and what not.
idle zealot
I'm going to the pug rn
charred trench
hello guys, I just downloaded VRchat on the oculus store but I can't login with oculus "an error occured", I tried to download the app via steam but the steam log in feature gives me the exact same error... when I try to create a new VRchat account from the website, it tells me that my username is already taken even when I generate a complete random 15 character username, it also tells me that my email is already taken, which is not possible, is this a known issue ?
sterile ingot
I'll stop now, I know I am dipping my toes in naughty subjects.
ashen siren
Shall I play some more VR chat now?
dawn elbow
So would someone suggest the Quest or Rift S
elfin light
apparently the quest has been getting a lot of attention and is most likely to be better than the rift s, but it's up to you
dawn elbow
I don't want to spend 70 or 80 to get the Link so I can play PC games
elfin light
there's cheaper options
vocal shard
Quest is good for all around use. But in pure PC vr performance, the rift S is noticably better still
brazen mirage
PC VR - Rift S, overall - Quest.
ashen siren
How do you customize your current avatar? Like I want to add things to my Bionicle
brazen mirage
But seeing how quest gets more love than S... i would go for quest anyway
elfin light
some off brand cables work better than the original and cost less
vocal shard
The quest can use the default charging cable now for link
elfin light
oh yea, the usb-c thing right
brazen mirage
Yup, any usb C cable and u good
elfin light
wait, if you connect your quest with link, does it start depending on the computer or does it do it all itself?
sterile ingot
The quest gets more love because it's an Oculus own device. The rift gas is owned by Lenovo
dawn elbow
I got 24GB of RAM, a decent processor, minimum GPU, and a Display Port. I mean with those should I get the Rift or Quest
vocal shard
It shares things. The computer does the hard rendering work, and sends the compressed video over the cable to the quest computer to use
brazen mirage
Just get a Quest
elfin light
oooo interesting
brazen mirage
Quest is way better overall + hand tracking...
elfin light
yea a quest is better in most cases
vocal shard
But this adds slight latency and the video isn't as good quality
elfin light
hand tracking is just an extra
sterile ingot
Save your money, get an index
dawn elbow
Quest has I believe fully body tracking to some content
brazen mirage
Quest is literally rift S + hand tracking at the cost of less comfort and slightly lower frame r ate
sterile ingot
Actually get yourself better computer
dawn elbow
Ha I can't save 600
brazen mirage
You can have FBT with Quest since its pcvr headset after plugging in USB C cable
elfin light
save, get a better pc, get a rift s
vocal shard
Not really. In side by side comparison theres a real difference
elfin light
that's life
brazen mirage
I had both of these for a while and while quest is less comfy its more enjoyable overall
vocal shard
The rift S is also much sharper, and it's directly controlled by the computer gpu
I had both too
Returned the quest
brazen mirage
But maybe thats cause i play only a few games, not really any FPS or rapid action games, mostly sims
lunar swan
@charred trench yeah, seems like there's something wrong with their account servers or something. No one can create accounts right now. They just get the "that username is already taken" error. I filed a ticket, but haven't heard anything back yet.
sterile ingot
Isn't there controller latency with the quest?
brazen mirage
Rift S has a little bit better controller tracking too imo
sterile ingot
Controller latency would be a deal-breaker for me
elfin light
i think i need a separate PCIe usb 3.0 thing
vocal shard
Yeah the quest latency is there. Not huge, but can affect immersion and games like beatsaber
elfin light
i've been losing tracking after a few hours of use
brazen mirage
My Rift S murdered my usb host controller on Mobo just saying
I had to get pcie expansion card to fix that
elfin light
oh so that's what that is
molten gale
Rift S tracking is suprisingly good
elfin light
thought it had something to do with drivers or the chipset
brazen mirage
I checked how consistent the power is and there were number of significant voltage drops from time to time
And that is when rift S goes BUZZ and shuts down
elfin light
i think i know how to fix that
brazen mirage
It's pulling too much power for the controller and boom, controller can't handle it anymore and goes pew pew
molten gale
Even if you play beat saber songs with 8+ notes a second the controllers do not lose tracking
elfin light
little checkbox that allows the computer to shut down the thing that's drawing more power
vocal shard
Just my rift s and keyboard/mouse are on my mobo.
Everything else is on my USB expansion card
elfin light
gotta uncheck it
brazen mirage
I tried that
elfin light
and didn't work
molten gale
I uh have waaay too much usb stuff attached
elfin light
oh well, there goes 30 dollars on a new pcie usb 3.0
elfin light
you got msi stuff too
vocal shard
Ah
elfin light
that's concerning for me
molten gale
Razer Keyboard, Razer Mouse, Headset with lighting, 3 vive tracker dongles, a usb stick and my rift s
brazen mirage
most useless things in the world: Dongle cradles for damn trackers
brazen mirage
Noo its just usb extension
molten gale
Pervent interference
brazen mirage
and if you wanna charge your trackers well TOO BAD you have to UNPLUG them
molten gale
So you can spread them apart
dawn elbow
Might just get the Quest
molten gale
I have power banks
solar lotus
mine are all right next to each other
dawn elbow
I don't care about linking
molten gale
Mine are .4 or so meters apart
elfin light
yea the quest is relatively better
brazen mirage
Mine just yeet all across the room anyway, no matter if in cradles or usb hub
molten gale
when they were close id often lose tracking
brazen mirage
Today they were very mad and made me go interstellar mode
solar lotus
weird cause i almost never lose tracking or have it go weird
molten gale
now I only use tracking when my tracker is actually blocked off
brazen mirage
its just BLE with prolly GFSK, can't rly interfere
uncut totem
has anyone noticed the glitch where you can get stuck in the spawn lobby if you jump into the gray thing
i jsut
dawn elbow
Doesn't the quest have Full body tracking
uncut totem
clipped through the roof
dawn elbow
Without the tracking gear
brazen mirage
by default no
nope, you need trackers or nolo or kinect
or camera trackers from greg
elfin light
it can have fbt if you link it to your pc and get some trackers
molten gale
But very expensive
brazen mirage
it is okay-ish
nolo is budget vive, kinect is a meme
but kinect still is pretty ok if you don't intend to use it for... more.... lewd purposes
Or some hardcore dancing
uncut totem
you can clip through things if you spam jump lol
sterile ingot
I might mean six
brazen mirage
Its just like vive
molten gale
Should I play skyrim vr or beat saber
brazen mirage
It uses the base station for position and internal accel and gyro for rotation
thats how you have 6 dof on nolo etc
It's a pretty cool piece of tech, i would love to try and make something similar to this one day, just diy some tracker of sort
molten gale
Vive fbt gang
sterile ingot
We were talking about DIY trackers yesterday. Hope you can code your own drivers
uncut totem
kinect is alright
brazen mirage
Since lighthouse uses speed of light (cause light duh) you can easily detect how far away tracker is from base station, pair it with internal sensors and boom
uncut totem
if you mean full body
molten gale
I could stay in fullbody for potentially infinite time
uncut totem
you can 360 tracking if you can get led bands
brazen mirage
I am not using powerbanks with FBT cause this can wear out batteries more than i expect i guess, but who cares, after 4 years new solutions will be available im pretty sure
molten gale
Because I have power banks that can keep my trackers charged 40h each
brazen mirage
Powerbanks are fun if you sleep in vr
molten gale
I aint doing that
brazen mirage
Let's change that
molten gale
How about no
sterile ingot
I'm never inside VR for that long
brazen mirage
Why not, it's pretty cute
molten gale
I am in vrchat for max 6 hours
brazen mirage
Even that is hella long, i can stay for max 2 hours at a time haha
sterile ingot
That's only two additional hours past what the charger should hold on their own
molten gale
I can stay longer if I want to
broken plover
longest I stayed on vrchat recently was 4 hours
molten gale
The longest I did was... 16ish
sterile ingot
Damn
molten gale
Maybe 18
broken plover
but now I just play like 1-2 hours
molten gale
Dont remember
solar lotus
yeah same, i've been starting to not stay on as long
molten gale
Nothing interesting happening and im lonely too much
brazen mirage
pats
molten gale
I also suck at meeting new people
brazen mirage
What i do is just go in front of mirror if there is a large group of people and pat random one, works 99% of the time
molten gale
Not the type to give pats
brazen mirage
Awww 😦
sterile ingot
I don't pat people either (except once), though there have been a few times I was tempted.
brazen mirage
anyone can pat me whenever, i love pats uwu
sterile ingot
I am starting to get tired of trying to find interesting people in public rooms. It's a shit show the majority of the time.
solar lotus
pretty much.
sterile ingot
Summer Solstice one? That place tends to be fairly chill.
molten gale
No
sterile ingot
Sorry, solitude
molten gale
Too many toxic people
Client users, etc
All too much in their groups in front of mirrors
sterile ingot
Huh, that's the main one I go to. There are toxic people everywhere, though I tend to find the chill people there.
molten gale
Too many kids doing stuff with pens aswell
molten gale
I know places with way less toxic people
sterile ingot
Reversi is another room I go to a lot, though it's because I like that game.
Okay, there are a few places I have never met toxic people, though they are places like Lunar Plants that hardly anyone goes to.
molten gale
Day Night Cycle Island
sterile ingot
I'll check it out.
molten gale
Rest and Sleep
sterile ingot
Everyone is sleeping there!
uncut totem
spam space bar on any given wall and pull the mario 64 classic lol
molten gale
MERoom is also decent
sterile ingot
I saw that in my list once, though I don't think I checked it out.
molten gale
And interesting
The map changes a lot
It had 3 layout changes in the past 2 months
Its like the map has an identitiy crisis
merry shale
safe star
I can't load into any worlds other than my home world
molten gale
thats a familliar name
weve met in murder mystery a while ago
you uh had a joker avatar
rite?
pseudo basalt
I think you gotta avoid popular maps if you want to have a good time
vocal shard
@sterile ingot why don't you become the interesting person in a lobby and attract other interesting people ?
cold talon
Because there is space only for one interesting person
uncut totem
i can literally clip in any map lol
cold talon
And that is you svel 😳
uncut totem
i can go on roofs now and play terraria ost
sterile ingot
@vocal shard My usual strategies for being interesting don't work in VR. I'm a performer for fun, so I show magic tricks, contact juggle, a little poi. None of these I can do in VR. I have to use my words. Well, I like deep provoking conversation and meaningful topics. Not a whole lot of that in VRChat.
It's not a bad idea, just a fair bit outside of what I am familiar with.
vocal shard
I know bahka but you shouldn't take me as an example
I'm exceptional and i shouldn't be a standard
pseudo basalt
Create your own deep and meaningful conversation world
It works for drinking worlds so why not
rich scaffold
first time playing vrchat and i ended up staying up till 4am
vocal shard
Yep
sterile ingot
There's classrooms. There is one thing I was working on, though haven't put any effort into recently. I wrote a short seminar and all I need to do is rehearse it several times. Run through a few public worlds gathering anyone interested in hearing it and that can be my sort of "stage".
solar heath
I just found what can be a serious security breach in VRC.
pseudo basalt
Sounds like you got a plan then
sterile ingot
An idea
solar heath
I don't think it ever got reported because nobody knows about it.
midnight kiln
Is VRChat breaking?
vocal shard
uhu, sure
you are the messiah, the only one that knows about a security issue
midnight kiln
like 2 accounts and the logins dont work xd
solar heath
I've found a security threat in the API.
pseudo basalt
vrc isn't exactly known for being the bastion of security
bronze bane
I logged in vrchat a min ago but it was working fine with a sec ago
solar heath
I'd rather report via DMs and not by email.
bronze bane
👁👁
vocal shard
what are the specs for this game
safe star
I couldn't load into anything other than my home
vocal shard
like the decent specs needed
uncut totem
64gb of ram
sterile ingot
Well this isn't exactly VRChat support.
vocal shard
christ
uncut totem
it was a joke
sterile ingot
This is the social app for the users.
vocal shard
i was asking because this is people who play it
pseudo basalt
dms are likely going to be ignored or you'll be told to send them an email
vocal shard
Email is more direct
uncut totem
it just takes alot of ram
sterile ingot
Yep, e-mail is the proper channel.
ruby needle
Ticket!
vocal shard
so you cant just tell me the specs if you literally play the game, i have to write an email and wait multiple days
solar heath
Time to start writing I gues...
vocal shard
go on steam and look at the spec
sterile ingot
TT#1287436823756
pseudo basalt
we weren't talking to you @vocal shard
vocal shard
it's not rocket science to research by yourself a little
safe star
VRC has had this issue from what I heard
vocal shard
why did i think nobody would be any help and end up right
pseudo basalt
post your specs instead
vocal shard
:ÜİŞAS;
rich scaffold
system Requirements
OS: Windows 8.1, Windows 10.
Processor: Intel® i5-4590 / AMD FX 8350 equivalent or greater.
Memory: 4 GB RAM.
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 970 / AMD Radeon™ R9 290 equivalent or greater.
DirectX: Version 11.
Network: Broadband Internet connection.
Storage: 1 GB available space.
vocal shard
thank you for being reasonable
because you come here being all mighty "hurr durr no one can tell me spec then ?"
solar lotus
4gb ram?
sterile ingot
"Someone do all the work for me!"
vocal shard
Just google vrchat spec and boom first results are the spec
rich scaffold
i just copied the first google result
bronze bane
👁👁
pseudo basalt
yeah I'm not sure about that 4gb ram
vocal shard
thanks colonel for spoonfeeding someone that could have simply opened google
i wanted to make sure by listening to people who play it because half the people on google are talking out of their ass
pseudo basalt
you want at least 8
uncut totem
lol
vocal shard
you want at least 16 yes
uncut totem
4gb
sterile ingot
BS
uncut totem
maybe for 3 fps go for 4
vocal shard
you can play at 4 but you wont have a good time
ruby needle
Windows 8.1 is also wrong, as for the listed specs it should be 10 only
rich scaffold
thats also from the steam page
pseudo basalt
I'm still on 8
sterile ingot
I miss 7
vocal shard
i'll wait for the pc
the game still works so it's not wrong
a friend of mine is getting me a gaming pc next year so ill wait for that
ruby needle
It's not real fully supported os tho, so not really.
rich scaffold
i just built mine like 3 days ago
vocal shard
built it yourself or used a site
yes really fpaul
you can play the game normally without any issue
sterile ingot
Windows has really forced the adoption of 10.
vocal shard
yeah i hate 10
pseudo basalt
steam vr has some unsupported festures on 8
vocal shard
if i get the chance i'll downgrade to 7
sterile ingot
10 isn't bad like 8.1 was.
ruby needle
@vocal shard again, it uses windows 10 media features which means 10 should be the only one listed there.
uncut totem
7 is gonna get outdated
pseudo basalt
8.1 isn't as bad as people make it out to be
uncut totem
probably shoul;dnt use it
sterile ingot
Why would you downgrade when you are going to lose a lot of features?
vocal shard
7 is still better than 10
ruby needle
7 works, 8 and 8.1 works too, but not completely thus it's not officially supported.
uncut totem
7 wont work with vr AS WELL as 10
vocal shard
that's not the point
Some VR won't even work without 10
you can play the game with windows 7 and 8.1
windows 10 collects your data, has built in bonzibuddy, and is a mess all around
uncut totem
you can disable all of that
vocal shard
so the list isnt wrong in that it claims like you said
ruby needle
You can also do so on linux by that logic tho 
uncut totem
with powershell
sterile ingot
🤦♂️
vocal shard
I might go for linux ngl
ruby needle
No 
uncut totem
linux is an option
sterile ingot
Well . . . I can't ridicule that.
uncut totem
but isnt great either
sterile ingot
Linux is a good option
You won't be able to play as many games without lots of tinkering, though if you like that-
uncut totem
its a mess sometimes
vocal shard
i might emulate windows 10 on a VM using linux
vocal shard
7 deffo isn't better than 10, it's become the new windows XP
uncut totem
if you really hate 10 that bad
vocal shard
sadly im still running on it
ruby needle
7 can run some VR's
vocal shard
All operating systems are bad 
windows 10 might be decent but we can all agree 8 and 8.1 were abominations that belong in the darkest pit of hell
tell that to vista
sterile ingot
Yep, 7 is kinda outdated now. It was a pure OS though, 8 was just weird with all the tiles and new UI, and 10 is pretty invasive. You can disable all the cortana BS, though it's a pain you might have to redo every update.
vocal shard
Nobody, but 7 was made in 2009...
uncut totem
i can agree with that
sterile ingot
Vista and ME we can just through into a fire.
vocal shard
windows 8.1 looks like a fucking windows phone
ruby needle
Vista was not as bad as many make it out to be, especially with the service packs
vocal shard
in fact im pretty sure 8.1 is a modified phone os
it looks good on a phone/tablet yeah
ruby needle
At the beginning it was just a really big change
uncut totem
dang bro i still need to activate windows
sterile ingot
Vista was bad at hogging resources.
vocal shard
Eh... vista was alright tbh... not good but it wasnt bad either
8.1 was designed for touch screens... So yeah
windows vista, ME, 8/8.1 were all shit
it was one of them ones
ruby needle
Vista never made me issues with my laptop, was more or less like 7
vocal shard
Windows Vista crashed all the time, did you ever watch vinesauce where he blue screened it by running solitaire
ruby needle
Not really
on first gen vista adaption, or vista on older hardware
a lot of early drivers where crap
it was very different
vocal shard
vista was a bit of a mess
ruby needle
That's the main cause of all the troubles
uncut totem
i used the vista to kill the vista
vocal shard
still, if you had to pick 7 or vista you'd pick 7
they both bit the dust but 7 is still safer
i agree with that
sterile ingot
Yeah, the main issue with Vista, other than how demanding it was, was running it on old hardware.
vocal shard
yeah it blue screened on vargskelethor's pc
I’m choosing between the Oculus Quest and the Oculus Rift S, which one? If you’ve only owned one, don’t bother replying. I need someone who has tried both.
i have the same question
i was thinking quest but rift s looks good too
most people prefer the Rift S
can they do mostly the same things
like can quest run steam stuff
ruby needle
Yes and no.
uncut totem
i asked the same question and alot of people said rift s
vocal shard
50/50 id imagine
ruby needle
Quest is a fully standalone headset that can also be used with the pc tho
uncut totem
quest link is ehhhhhhhh
ruby needle
Rift S is PC only.
sterile ingot
This is such a common topic of discussion it should almost be pinned or something.
vocal shard
if quest can't run steam then ehhh maybe rift s
ruby needle
Quest is a fully capable PC VR headset with link, or if you want even side loaded 3rd party clients for fully wirless
vocal shard
I owned both... I returned the quest and kept the S
Do you have to buy games with the Quest?
uncut totem
yes
vocal shard
yes
ruby needle
Your main complain was teh 72hz right? @vocal shard
vocal shard
So it’s best if I buy the Oculus Rift S, then?
uncut totem
and vrchat doesnt work well
vocal shard
so get the rift s?
That among some other small things
alright, thanks
I’m mainly going to play VRChat, so which one?
I also don't like pentile screens
Apparently the screen quality is bad, is that true?
this may sound like a kind of childish thing but the game roblox has a hilarious vr game called Vibe VR, where you can pick up other tiny pc players in vr and throw them, blend them, etc.
It's not bad
just blow your money on a Star One VR
¯_(ツ)_/¯
How many wires do I have with the Rift S?
sterile ingot
On an enterprise product, sure.
uncut totem
2
vocal shard
Do I have to plug in a load of shit with the Rift S?
vocal shard
Quest has nicer colour contrast due to OLED pixels, but they're pentile and have a much worse screen door affect.
Rift s has an RGB panel that is much sharper. It's also running directly off your computer GPU rather than using a compressed video like quest link
It's a single wire from your Headset to pc
That's it
uncut totem
but it spilts into 2
sterile ingot
Also controller latency isn't an issue with Rift S
ruby needle
On the other end, quest has a IPD slider and stand alone capabilities.
uncut totem
rift s only downside it the ipd and the fact its never updated
sterile ingot
The mic
vocal shard
My ipd is 59
uncut totem
imagine rift s mic
vocal shard
Wouldn't go less
uncut totem
i tihnk the max is 65
luckily i have in the middle of that
so im probably going to get the rift s
sterile ingot
I have no idea what my IPD is, I've just been going with 66.6, it seems to work.
vocal shard
I don’t have a gaming computer, just a gaming laptop.
sterile ingot
I get different results each time I've tried using those.
vocal shard
Do I need a gaming computer for the Rift S?
sterile ingot
Yes
uncut totem
laptops work
ruby needle
careful with laptops
vocal shard
How come?
sterile ingot
You need a display port, and most laptops don't have them.
uncut totem
just get an adapter
ruby needle
No
uncut totem
they said it works sometimes
sterile ingot
Plus mobile GPU's never compare to standard cards.
vocal shard
You can't adapt HDMI to displayport
uncut totem
oculus said they dont know if it would work
but it may
ok adapt the hdmi to vga then make the vga adapt into display port
vocal shard
And if I got the Quest, I’d definitely have to pay for games even though I’ve already got them on steam?
dawn elbow
Im just going to get the Rift
sterile ingot
I am using a laptop, though it's connected to a "graphics amplifier", essentially a desktop GPU.
vocal shard
Even though I’ve got them on steam?
uncut totem
cv1 is pretty good
dawn elbow
And maybe upgrade my GPU later on when i need to
uncut totem
yes
vocal shard
Also some laptops run the GPU through the integrated graphics before being sent to the port. And this makes some VR headsets not work
there is a worldfeedback event at 9pm pst today
but I don't understand where you start / meet
it'd be cool to see some worlds that ppl are working on
sterile ingot
If you check the pinned comments in the #events there a separate server to join for events.
vocal shard
The laptop I have doesn’t have a display port.
ah ha
Get a quest then
It connects over usb c
sterile ingot
Or get a better computer.
sterile ingot
If you think of it this way, this is still early VR. VR 2.0 will undoubtedly require more system requirements. So a newer computer is VR future proof, to an extent.
ruby needle
Well we are in VR2.0
sterile ingot
Are we?
vocal shard
Mhmm
sterile ingot
I thought the common conception was that we are still in 1.0
vocal shard
virtualboy is the best VR
ruby needle
Virtual boy is no VR
sterile ingot
I get how if we consider stuff like CV1 gen 1 it's easy to see Index and Quest as Gen 2.
summer cairn
Hello.. just wanna kindly ask when I will be allowed to use my custom avatar
ruby needle
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
@sterile ingot yeah by that view we're 2.0
vocal shard
do you have that as a macro wtf
ruby needle
but technically we allready had 1.0 a ton of years back
summer cairn
great...
ruby needle
@vocal shard clipboard
vocal shard
original HTC vive and oculus rift CV1 is the VR 1.0 for me
that's how i personally see it
sterile ingot
More like dabbling in VR at that point. I think 1.0 should coincide with the birth of the platform, which I think we are currently experiencing.
summer cairn
Oh yeah also my avatar appears completely pink in Unity.. what does that mean ?
vocal shard
then you had vive pro which can be considered as vr 2.0 with all the other competitor
and index is vr 3.0
ruby needle
@sterile ingot take a look at the old VR and how fucking insane it partly was allready
molten gale
Missing shaders
sterile ingot
I remember trying old old VR at the Seattle Science Center as a kid. It was WAY different.
ruby needle
but the PC's just where not there yet.
molten gale
Paulie nerd
summer cairn
Ohh is there any way to fix it then
molten gale
sterile ingot
Well, what ever generation you think we are in now, a newer computer is VR proof for the next gen. To an extent.
Maybe newer games are finally going to start using more CPU cores.
vocal shard
can't buy a new PC currently 😔
polar jasper
Games are already using more cpu cores, it's game engines that limits it.
sterile ingot
I am seeing hints in the news another stimulus check is being talked about. Take with a grain of salt.
dawn elbow
I want to get the Index and Full body tracking but it's simpe to say I'm broke
vocal shard
amen @dawn elbow
sterile ingot
I used credit.
sterile ingot
I'm 37, I had a credit score in the 700's
ruby needle
For smaller things i'd highly recommend to not spend money you dont have
sterile ingot
How do I make THAT kind of spelling mistake? 😕
ruby needle
entry way to debts
dawn elbow
I thought we were talking steam credit
vocal shard
credit score ? wut dat
sterile ingot
Use credit smartly. Start with a charge card and use it for small purchases. Once you get an actual line of credit, use 33% and keep paying it off.
Try to stay in that sweet spot of 33% usage.
sterile ingot
@vocal shard Your credit score is based on recordings from 3 different companies that are keeping track of how much you bowwow, how/when you pay it back, etc.
My score is shit now, and I'm not in as good a place as I was. This has to do with bad room mates though and not the Index purchase.
Room mates left the lease early and left me with about 5k in debt.
molten gale
America stuff
vocal shard
wtf
sterile ingot
FPaul, just because it's credit and not money I don't actually have doesn't mean it's bad. We use credit for lots of purchases in our life, and it's a normal occurrence. It's a resource there, mostly for emergencies, that needs to be used responsibly. If you aren't responsible with your money, then credit is probably a bad idea.
vocal shard
maybe I'm the weird one but why would you spend money that you don't have on something that's not vital for your existence ?
vocal shard
yes actually
sterile ingot
You can rent
vocal shard
I need a car to go to work and live
owning the house allows me to save a fuckton of money in the longrun
sterile ingot
I wouldn't call that vital.
vocal shard
an Index vr Headset wont do anything in my life
sterile ingot
Good strategies yes.
I managed to use credit for my index with 0% apr 😛
I just had to pay it off in 6mo
ruby needle
And why not just buy it directly?
vocal shard
I managed to buy my headset with money that I have and didn't owe anything to anyone
I don't get it
stark roost
i wanna find a good avatar world any recommendations?
ruby needle
I dont think it makes too much sense to dive into this topic more tho, the US seems to be very specific there with the credit stuff and "getting a good credit score"
Not the first time i heard that.
sterile ingot
I don't get how my purchase is bad . . . .
vocal shard
so weird to me
that indebting yourself is a normal system there
sterile ingot
Credit is just a part of financial life. If you don't build your score, you can't get loans for a house or a car . . .
vocal shard
I think it's bad based on what you told me
ruby needle
it totally is.
sterile ingot
No credit score is worse than a bad credit score.
vocal shard
you said that using credit to buy stuff should be used for emergency stuff
you used yours for a vr headset
ruby needle
credit's should never be part of your normal every day finanical live. 
vocal shard
putting yourself in debt to buy a non-essential toy is bad IMO
you do what you want with your money and your life but for me that's a very bad choice
vocal shard
america financial situation is an abnormality tbh
and it's a good thing that they are not a standard in the rest of the world
sterile ingot
I'm no economist so I feel out of my element deciding whether that's good or bad.
ruby needle
I think this is really the point where we should get back to the vr part
vocal shard
probably yeah
I'm never going to understand that system
way too weird for me
sterile ingot
Well, we were talking about VR 😛 Paying for it.
Yes though, lets rant about something else.
vocal shard
in my country if you get too in debt you can be fucked for a very long time
but then again, my country is also an abnormality
sterile ingot
That can happen in America too. Medical and student debt primarily.
dawn elbow
Quest vs Rift S
dawn elbow
Lemme go find that then
vocal shard
quest if you have a shit PC, rift S if you have a decent PC
They both have their benefits for different people
sterile ingot
Svel gave the short answer.
dawn elbow
I have the Minimum GPU, everything else is fine
hardy raven
get a rift then
i was in the same boat and it was fine
safe star
Hey is anyone else getting logged out when they join a world?
vapid idol
No
vocal shard
Anyone have any "lewd" avatars or avatar worlds I'm not weird I just think they are neat
vocal shard
open a bible
vapid idol
I’m with you on this I think
vocal shard
I will open i bible when my quest for lewdness is done
Until that point satans a nice guy
theres children on vr dont use a lewd avatar
But most of them are using brush avatars so they deserve anything bad that happens
sharp pollen
kek
vocal shard
Brush avatars make we wanna commit scooter ankle
sharp pollen
^
vocal shard
Listen you don't know hell until a bunch of 5 centimeter tall robots attack your toes
copper crow
timezones confuse me. is the jean concert now or in an hour?
brazen mirage
What did i miss? someone got credit just to get vr?
sterile ingot
No, I had and used credit to get my Index.
0% interest since I paid it off in 6 months.
balmy gulch
What is that vrr00m thingy at the top of active worlds list?
outer remnant
Does someone have the Nutter Butter Avatar?
Or does someone know the World where I can find it?
brazen mirage
Do not let it spread
dawn elbow
Would uh
brazen mirage
I've had questionable pleasure of experiencing its emotes on myself
dawn elbow
Vive cosmo be anywhere in the picture of getting a Headset?
brazen mirage
vive cosmos? did you mean overpriced rift s?
dawn elbow
Yea
wind grove
Lol
brazen mirage
the only good thing about vive cosmos is that it is always available cause its so bad
vocal shard
japan has such high credit debtr
brazen mirage
jokes aside tho, comfort is way better than in S, screen is sorta on par, you get integrated headphones (quite good), tracking is not the worst, only visible in rapid action games, but the lighting is very crucial, it needs very well lit room...
Some people say even 4-5 studio lamps were not enough light for cosmos 😂
dawn elbow
Well yea
The Quest I see getting out of stock faster
But the Rift was out of stock and the Quest wasn't
wind grove
I should sell my rift s and get a vive pro eye or something while they’re in demand
outer remnant
The RIft is out of Stock?
dawn elbow
Yea
outer remnant
I orderd today a new one
dawn elbow
Lucky
outer remnant
But I dont know I live in Germany
dawn elbow
Yea
brazen mirage
I wonder what he did to his old one
Since his username i'd bet he tends to do lewd stuff, thats why he broke his headset
wind grove
haha
dawn elbow
My username doesn't match my pfp
brazen mirage
But thats just a little bit. I've been so drunk once i broke my base station attaching it to where tracker is supposed to be, and attaching tracker on lighthouse stand.
Almost worked.
outer remnant
Which Headset ur using @brazen mirage ?
brazen mirage
Rift S(upreme)
outer remnant
Is it Good?
brazen mirage
I am not complaining
outer remnant
I only had it for 2 days
brazen mirage
The only thing you have to care for is that cable holder, it broke after a week for me and had to use some tape to hold cable in place 😂
But overall i have not been going easy on the headset and it's still working properly
wind grove
I have a rift s also, it's done everything I've wanted so far
brazen mirage
Smashed my controllers against a wall a lot of times, still works
brazen mirage
yes it does if you get vive trackers and attach it
wind grove
I have my cable hung from the ceiling, so no breaking yet
brazen mirage
you can pair vive trackors with rift s and quest
dawn elbow
In a round estimate how much would that be
outer remnant
is a kinect good for body tracking?
wind grove
you need the light houses for the vive trackers though, it's not a straight pairing
outer remnant
Btw can i save more Avatars then 16?
brazen mirage
Only with mods afaik
outer remnant
Is it legal?
cold talon
No
brazen mirage
I mean if you wanna risk giving away your password to 3rd party people..
You don't know what they hide there
outer remnant
Oh no thanks (;
brazen mirage
So i would recommend staying away from mods
wind grove
you can add the avatar world as a favorite i think, then you just have to go back to get the avatar
cold talon
It's more of getting your account banned
Since any sort of modification to the client is forbidden
outer remnant
mhh ok
brazen mirage
Just stay vanilla
They may eventually add more avatar spots, reason they don't do it unlimited its cause its server-bound
outer remnant
Can someone recommend a World with much Avatars with Abilities?
brazen mirage
But let's be real, i have 16 favourites, yet i play maybe 1 or 3 ... so :v
wind grove
there's a lot of avatar worlds, there's a whole section just for them in the menu
cold talon
The favorite list is stored locally as far as I know, so not server bound
brazen mirage
Nah, i logged in on different PC and it was still there
wind grove
most of my hours so far have been used visiting avatar worlds trying to find something decent
brazen mirage
Even after clean windows reinstall, still all avatars there so it must be server side or maybe Steam Cloud
wind grove
it's saved server side, but the avatars themselves get cached localy for faster loading
brazen mirage
i wouldn't mind like 20 avatar slots tho :x
So i could fit more cute lolis for dancing
cold talon
Huh
naive horizon
👀
cold talon
That's pretty neat
wind grove
my goal tonight/tomorrow is to get enough hours/friends to rank up so i can start uploading avatars
brazen mirage
Become blue!
Then its only downhill to become professional Trusted User
Mirror gang for laifu
south scroll
some dude threw a green laser at me and my game froze ? lmao
brazen mirage
disable custom animations
wind grove
don't really care about ranking tbh, i'm just annoyed I can't make my own avatar until i "play enough" whatever that means
wraith sable
ah, that's always pretty fun, woohoo...
brazen mirage
or at least manage your limiter config file
so you don't get spammed with particles/effects
wraith sable
@wind grove if everyone could upload avatars there would be so much more crap though
that's why this "barrier" was made
also ranking up shows more of your avatar's features regularly
brazen mirage
Most chill people i met were either Visitors or Known Users ^^
Most lewd people i met were Trusted
slender valley
Can animations alone crash someone? I have them turned on for everyone cause I didn't think so, far as I know it's only particles and shaders that can do that
wind grove
hah
brazen mirage
So it speaks for itself
brazen mirage
They can crash you, just look at the documentation how to edit your limiter config file
And you can prevent that
wraith sable
@brazen mirage I agree, but for every decent visitor there are at least 5 that are not
slender valley
Wow didn't think that, I'll have to look into the config file thing, thanks
brazen mirage
it's where you limit dynamic bones, you can limit particles, effects etc
brazen mirage
It will help against the animation crashers and all that, if person uses CPU-type crasher its probably going to bake your CPU, or if you have a good one you will laugh in crashers face and crash him instead (<-- jk don't do that)
wind grove
pretty sure if someone could crash my cpu, they'd crash too
wind grove
watercooled i9-9900K
slender valley
When you say bake do you mean it would literally make it overheat or just use it to crash, sorry I don't really understand how crashers even work lol
brazen mirage
-> crasher: attempts to crash a player
-> player's zen 2 threadripper: laughs in 64 cores
Crashers are like DDoS'es technically
wraith sable
@brazen mirage but does that really do anything? VRChat only utilizes a single core due to the unity version
brazen mirage
They overload certain part of your PC
It can't be harmful it's just annoying
Yeah it can spread the load equally which will results in you not crashing
wind grove
just maxes out the cpu so the program stops responding and errors out is my guess
vocal shard
I'm pretty sure your thermal and power limiters will protect your CPU from any damage... Unless you've been meddling in things
brazen mirage
It's literally same if you do infinite for loop and put it on 1000 times.
You just give too much to do and program crashes
wraith sable
Yeah it can spread the load equally which will results in you not crashing
@brazen mirage how exactly does this work?
vocal shard
And no, vrchat has never run on just one core. That's an old myth
slender valley
Oh right, thanks for the info, I've spent an embarrassing amount of money on my PC and I think I'd actually grind my teeth to dust if it went kaput cause someone decided to be a top tier meanie bo beanie
wraith sable
And no, vrchat has never run on just one core. That's an old myth
@vocal shard well, then it's not utilizing the other cores properly :O
At least from my core usage readings only one core is actually above 50% at all times
wind grove
its not that embarrassing as long as you can find someone who's spent more than you
wraith sable
with any other game/program that's not happening
brazen mirage
@brazen mirage how exactly does this work?
@wraith sable technically it's given a calculation task, if it figures out its a huge load it will spread it on the cores equally, the fact unity is utilizing single core mostly its for rendering purposes, it can use rest of the cores for calculation, it's however up to this single core that does the rendering of how smooth the game looks
slender valley
I mean not anybody I know personally but I'm sure there's someone
brazen mirage
It was explained somewhere why single core performance matters and will matter for long time
You got single core handling the majority of a game, and rest cores are just support cores
wind grove
unity "not using all cores" is a matter of not threading efficiently so that any 1 string of commands is on an individual core, it will still use the power of multiple cores it's just not very good at it and it's more of a general usage
vocal shard
Mhmm. Most games still aren't optimized to utilize more than 4 cores
wraith sable
I mean, I won't complain with my usual 6 cores @ 4.0GHz each (and a Nvidia RTX 2080)
But it's still something that is bothering me somewhat
brazen mirage
Its hard to do multithreading as well, since the more cores the more strict sync rules will be
wraith sable
Mhmm. Most games still aren't optimized to utilize more than 4 cores
@vocal shard that's true, but 4 is at least something
vocal shard
I'm still on a 4 core CPU
brazen mirage
You can even have titan rtx in there paired with overkill i9 at 5.1ghz game will still lag with more people
wind grove
yeah, even if they multithread a 4 core properly, my 16 won't be utilized efficiently
brazen mirage
its hard to optimize game with user created content (usually not even optimized)
wind grove
that too
brazen mirage
Thats why i usually just have every avatar below Poor hidden
wraith sable
You can even have titan rtx in there paired with overkill i9 at 5.1ghz game will still lag with more people
@brazen mirage I do know that ^^ But it's still a smoother experience as with other graphic cards. I especially how easily it handles my vr-stuff
wind grove
my 2070 super has handled pretty well so far, nice step up from my old 1060
brazen mirage
and im just 1070ti peasant here 😂
wraith sable
hey, the 1070ti is still a great card imo
vocal shard
1070ti is a very good gpu
brazen mirage
I am not complaining i just bought it legit a couple days before RTX came out.. so i am just a bit salty
Same with ryzen 2700X, bought it, couple moths later next gen
I have been a bag of salt for quite a good while haha
wind grove
lol, i'd still be on my 1060 and old pc but i broke my leg just before christmas so I maxed out my credit card building a new pc to pass the time stuck on my butt for 4 months
brazen mirage
So now i am waiting for the new nvidia and amd releases to potentially upgrade in a year maybe
wraith sable
Still need to upgrade from my i5-8600k xD
what should I get now, though? Never were really a fan of amd, but the threadrippers are surely tempting
brazen mirage
threadripper or bust
for reals, all the mid-high range non-threadrippers are good as well, but for gaming, still intel would be better i say
Cause single core performance babyyy
wind grove
yeah, if it's for gaming i'd say intel is the best money to performance investment, if you do a lot of blender rendering though, threadripper can be worth the cost
brazen mirage
also amd could handle vr streaming better
wind grove
but then it's a matter of time vs money
wraith sable
so, intel it is.
I do have a very decent pc at work for rendering and calculating all of my stuff ^^
just need some gaming monster for my private life
brazen mirage
i would wait for reviews and tests on those new intel chips and then maybe get one
I have high hopes for that new amd GPU's they said will compete with top-tier nvidia cards
wind grove
i wouldnt hold my breath on that one
would be nice to see some real competition, but they didn't start off too well
brazen mirage
On one hand i want AMD to win the cpu-battle with intel for gaming but then again, they could also rise prices like crazy cause no competition so, thats not good either
ashen siren
Vrchat for a bit or no?
uncut totem
get free wifi anywhere you go
north oar
Hi
solar lotus
hi!
languid beacon
Control panel won't log in reeee
vocal shard
Reee
robust mountain
Siren head default boi
flint cargo
siren head is sticc boi
sharp bone
Okay please tell me, who's the one that creates these avatars that dance with music?
gleaming kraken
That doesn't narrow it down very much, there are tons of avatars that do that
dire anchor
Hey, just as a confirmation, your trust level can lower if you don't play for a long time right? I'm back to "new user" though I was either "user" or "known user" last time I played, but since I haven't touched the game for months I'm not surprised. Can anyone confirm this is expected please? Thanks!
spiral spade
probably
ive heard lads going from trusted back to user because they stopped playing for a few months
just upload some avatars and get active again and you'll most likely be back at your last rank
i thought deranking was hard, i upload a lot of avatars so thats probably why i havent deranked yet
@dire anchor just get back into the swing of playing and i think you'll be back at your past rank
dire anchor
Alright, I don't mind losing my trust level honestly, I don't play to be seen by others, just to hang out with friends.
I've been separated from my computer itself for months after moving and not having enough space until I moved again.
Thank you for confirming my thoughts about all that, I'll probably regain it, probably not, it's the path that counts right? 😛
spiral spade
yeah
at one point I was desperate for trusted, after a while I got it and it just feels the same as it used to but people see my avatar more frequently (all the features)
dire anchor
I don't even mind playing with a default avatar as long as I can goof around with friends, if someone wants to see shaders and such we can friend each other. If they don't… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
spiral spade
yeah
i play on a WMR headset so i try to avoid mentioning it due to the stigma towards them and how they are pretty shit
dire anchor
I have friends playing it on PC and it's fine, probably easier to trigger some animations due to key bindings and less goofy since your arms move along when you run per example. I love VR but I can't stand for as long as I would like due to my weak muscles. It doesn't feel like the same game, but both appear to be fun and have advantages / issues.
hardy raven
that’s nitro for you
spiral spade
good thing is I’m upgrading to a vive cosmos elite if they do a price cut on Christmas, if not just a regular vive
(cosmos elite is cosmos but uses external tracking and fixes most issues I have with the normal vive)
that’s a great HMD
fun
hardy raven
if people shit on me for having a WMR then fuck them lol
spiral spade
im waiting to be able to change my username on vrc because my name is a tad bit long
dire anchor
I have a classic Vive, it's fine but after trying the Vive Pro lemme say you greatly see the difference in pixel density. The text isn't as readable as I'd love it to be, but when you play normally it's still very good and I don't regret it. I also validate the Rift S, another friend of mine went for it and it's awesome, with a higher pixel density than the classic Vive as well iirc.
hardy raven
they’re probably not worth being around
spiral spade
yea, people shit talk it because it’s like a shitty oculus rift S but it’s so good for the money
dire anchor
I've never had a WMR headset and a friend with one told me it's ok, if you're enjoying it then that's all I need to know!
spiral spade
like 200 USD for a very capable HMD? hell YEAH
hardy raven
sweats in having bought mine for 400
spiral spade
i got mine 3 years ago on christmas
hardy raven
i didn’t catch the sale in time bc i didn’t know about it
spiral spade
it was the Acer WMR HMD
spiral spade
no it works fine, besides the fact I dropped my pc on it once and it snapped the headband but that’s not something that can’t be fixed with tape
it has visible wear on the controllers and the headband but i can still play games just fine lol
hardy raven
i think it’s okay, i’m just not okay with the tracking cone. way too small.
and no, O+ as in the Samsung Odyssey+
dire anchor
Budget aside as long as it's still reasonable, which HMD would you recommend moving from a Vive? I don't know if there's any that is better for a good price, but I'd love a better pixel density (required) with either a lighter headset or without the cable.
hardy raven
O not zero
spiral spade
index, you can buy the hmd and the controllers and just use your old base stations @dire anchor
or get the vive pro or cosmos elite, cosmos elite is a bit pricy rn so wait for a price cut
it has a low amount of market share and if vive wants to raise it they gotta make it cheaper
dire anchor
I have the v1 stations, not v2, if the only difference is how the v2 can be put further away I don't care though
spiral spade
It’s around 900 Usd for the cosmos elite rn, it’s inhumanely priced for the hardware inside so I am sure they’ll cut the price eventually
solar lotus
thats almost to a index lol
spiral spade
watch linuses review @dire anchor
exactly, it’s a waste cuz for 100 dollars more u get a better display, controllers, tracking and all of the benefits of an index
the index is 1k
the cosmos elite is 900
old hardware that costs too much is a recipe for price cuts and sales
dire anchor
I don't mind spending a grand if it's worth the experience, though my bank will yell at me again
spiral spade
yes and then you can just get an index
if you already have 900 spending 100 more dollars shouldn’t be that bad
i said if you spend 100 dollars more and buy an index instead of the cosmos elite, you get better tracking, a better display, and better controllers
solar lotus
No.
Cosmos is overprived, so you get much better for just 100 more.
spiral spade
so it’s a waste of your money to get the cosmos elite right now, and they’ll make it cheaper in the future I think
dire anchor
damn, reading https://versus.com/fr/htc-vive-pro-vs-valve-index even the beginning makes me say "alright, index > vive pro hands down"
spiral spade
you hear nobody talking about them because nobody uses it, the cosmos was a massive fail
no the index is
solar lotus
index is the best.
dire anchor
the issue with keeping my base stations is how I'll never be able to resell my Vive, duh
spiral spade
true, oh well
dire anchor
Valve Index > all apparently