so im using vroid, i transported it to unity and when i use the poyomi shader it doesnt even color the texttures, any help?
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
kind parcel
are the servers just really slow at downloading worlds lately or is it just me?
tawdry oyster
Wouldn’t it be an interesting idea for you to see the date when you became friends with your friends
vocal shard
that would be cool
fleet hedge
Will there be a new unity version we will be switching to sometime soon, so I can get an early start on working on my project? Its so I can upload it as soon as it gets released
still waiting on that unity update lol
not the open beta
deft girder
I mean the open beta is what we will be switching to soon ™️ 
pseudo basalt
Soon 🤠
deft girder
Soon 😔
pseudo basalt
Any day now 💀
mellow ivy
brittle jolt
@mellow ivy Depends on what they find fun. Some people really enjoy partying others prefer to play chess :P
golden coyote
ah more kids with cheated clients changing everyones avs
soft timber
you must be new
golden coyote
Nah, i've got like 20 blocked
well yes im new but i blocked a lot already lol
21 hours totall... all in the last 5 days :')
soft timber
Eh, from experience ... Blocking makes it worse, as people have clients that can detect that and crash you anyway
So I just completely ignore
golden coyote
it a little hard to ignore when i get shader overlays covering my whole monitor :p
just block and if they crash me i'll go next instance haha
soft timber
ever try messing around with custom safety settings
like@is it mostly visitors/trusteds
golden coyote
i just have it on none for all and very low opitimisation tbh
golden coyote
getting threatened by some script kiddy saying "lets see how sad you are when you're offline"
People really think they're epic hacker man getting a cheated client and trying to boot people offline.. shame im still here
twin fractal
huh
sour sandal
even funnier when a group of six client users tries to crash you, and you just sit there, lagging like crazy yes, but not crashing, i guess older gpu win for me? i mean you can't overvolt or overheat a 1070ti it just doesn't happen, because it doesn't overclock
i wonder if the guy who sold the script to them said that it would, because that's a thing too, people selling clients to people with a lot of promises, but in reality, just lets the person who made the client have access to your own computer, congrats
pseudo basalt
Most likely something simple like a shader
languid beacon
If you manage to figure out how to use VRChat without using a client, let me know. You are a wizard.
sour sandal
no one of them was using a client that was globally toggling the mirror
i've been playing vrchat without EVER using a modified client since december 2017
as for playing vrchat without a client that's easy, dont fucking use a client, ta-daa! using a client is a choice; typically one that only ends up with you in a fight with another client user trying to crash eachother or one-up eachother, and everyone in the crossfire fucking suffers for your selfishness
hollow ingot
Oh, like... without the cilent running on the desktop screen?
twin fractal
yes to play the game you need a client (to be playing on something)
rigid crescent
twin fractal
the VRChat community has basically replaced "modified client" with "client"
indigo fern
Imagine not plugging your brain directly into vrc
covert blade
Pretty much Dain, and it bothers me greatly
Because now just mentioning Client, as in like, an actual client that connects to a server creates confusion
languid beacon
The only solution is to keep using the term correctly. :p
covert blade
Last time I corrected someone on it, which was also the first time, some random person just shat on me for complaining about "the slang of the community"
broken plover
or just call the normal client "official clinet" and modified clients "modified client"
covert blade
I just call it mods
broken plover
or that
covert blade
As I've been calling modifications to a game "mods" in every game so far
Mods, cheats, ect
barren igloo
languid beacon
Yeah my recommendation is to just keep on unnecessarily correcting tech terms. Even if it makes you sound like the ACKTUALLY nerd.
covert blade
Nah, can't really be bothered
The one time I did it, I just did because I felt like it had to be said
languid beacon
We are all client users on this blessed day.
covert blade
But most people are just likely not going to care and I can't be bothered starting an argument with literally every person I come across using the wrong term
¯_(ツ)_/¯
languid beacon
Well you are in luck, I have free time in spades, a stickler for correct tech terminology, very little sense of humor, and total lack of self awareness for how I am perceived in group chat. 👌
This is a hill I will die on!
covert blade
languid beacon
We just need to get like a !client macro or something.
The 'Client' is name for the program you run on your computer to access VRChat. It can be downloaded from Steam or Oculus Home. Everyone who accesses VRChat is a client user. Note that downloading a VRChat client from any other source is a violation of the Terms of Service and will result in being banned.
exotic wadi
I'm gonna be hosting a birthday party in VRChat next weekend, and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for games or other activities that would be good for large groups of people?
So far I've come up with the following:
Cards against Humanity
Murder
Tsumuri Kart
Deathrun
Grenade Field
Watch a movie
Karaoke
Other ideas that I don't think would work so well for a party:
Town of Salem / Werewolf - Good for lots of players, but complex rules a lot of people won't know and you spend a lot of time sitting in the houses by yourself.
Joking Hazard / Fun-Employed / Defuse - Supports too few players
There was also a game where you have a red and a blue team, and two team captains and you give one word clues to try to get your teammates to guess the word on a grid but I can't remember what it was called. But that one supports a lot of players.
languid beacon
I highly recommend Joking Hazard, if you ask the creator I'm sure they could spit out a room with a bigger table for you. The actual real game supports as many players as you want.
that was my biggest problem with that world as well
exotic wadi
I guess Werewolf is a little less complex than I thought it was, I just looked up the rules, it's a lot simpler than Town of Salem it seems, though people seem to either love it or hate it.
languid beacon
Box Avoid (Avoid Box) is also one I enjoyed, and is a very VR-specific type of game
sterile ingot
I've only played Werewolf IRL. Knowing the people you are playing with makes the game a LOT more dynamic.
broken plover
I played it irl and in vrc. VRC is more fun imo because of how the world is setup, so youre more immersed into the game
ebon silo
uh hi
sterile ingot
I haven't played in VRC yet. Any time I've gone into a world the game seemed to be wrapping up.
Honestly playing the games in VRC is a crap shoot since I always end up going to a public room. I just want to play someone Chess. 😦
tawdry sentinel
Hello, I have a question. to climb the ranks do steam hours count? Or does every vr account have its time?
ruby needle
Aint about time specifically.
the score is tied to the account and has nothing to do with anythin steam might track.
broken plover
you could also make your steam hours explode by just leaving the game open in the login screen. That wont affect your account at all
tawdry sentinel
thanks
grizzled fable
what is a good world for some insane avatar animations
like where you can get some
broken plover
idk. Just make them yourself
sterile ingot
I gotta figure out expressions before animations, I think.
broken plover
well, expressions is directly connected with animations. But theres 2 types of animations. Gestrues and Emotes
and expressions are connected with gestures
sterile ingot
Oh, I think I meant Gestures.
The things that just change your expression with the placement of your fingers.
broken plover
yeah those are gestures
jagged fable
Vrchats not opening or letting me sign in
vocal shard
alright
south pewter
@jagged fable - If you're on Desktop, trying opening it from steam, or reinstalling/redownloading VRChat. Or, redownload steam and log back in.
molten hornet
Does anyone here speak Japanese / can write Japanese I need some help lol
molten hornet
I think there afraid of me
vocal shard
Hello
jagged fable
Thank you
vocal shard
Thank you for what
soft canyon
I dont know why but my avatar can fly
vocal shard
Ohhh
Ur avatar can fly mine to
hello
Think some avatars can fly? I dunno
Hi
i have a question XD
What baller
whats the cheapest vr headset ?
soft canyon
I just spam space (im in desktop mode) and I fly
vocal shard
for pc ofcourse
One made of cardboard probably ;)
Vindows mixet realety i think
Ore u conekt a psvr somhow doesent realy work to conect do
Hmmmmmm just smas the psvr ok
And then buy a oculus quest ok
@vocal shard in North America, windows mixed Reality is the cheapest. A new Samsung Odyssey+ wmr headset often goes on sale for $230.
There's also the used market for rift and vives ($200-400)
Used wmr headsets as well can be around $150
thanks @vocal shard
but because i m dumb. what does mixed reality means ?
It's just the platform. It's a VR headset with Controllers, but they were designed so the front can flip up and marketed it so you could work in VR, and then flip up the screen and work on your desktop
But it's basically just a normal vr that works great for the price in basically any game
Microsoft made a design and licenced it out to a bunch of manufactures. So there's a bunch of different wmr headsets made by different companies, but their all the basically same internally and functionality
tacit plank
Can the "upload to community labs" get greyed out if you click the NSFW boxes?
I've accidentally made a world public before, and I'm afraid of doing it again lol. The two checkboxes are too close in the upload menu
umbral reef
The boxes within the SDK dont actually do anything
ruby needle
if there is NSFW content, dont upload it at all, simple.
NSFW content is not allowed.
tacit plank
I know, it would just be a nice addition so that people don't accidentally upload it
That's just VRC's public stance on it, more users have NSFW content than not, and everybody knows it. It should be fine in private anyway
sterile ingot
I was able to upload a NSFW avatar. It never left home. (The character still had underwear so I suppose it's debatable whether that's NSFW. I wouldn't show it to my co-workers though.)
tacit plank
Just underwear is common in public
grizzled fable
what is a good vr headset?
rough pulsar
What's your price range?
sterile ingot
Depends what you mean by good too. Quest is good for what it is.
sterile ingot
Do you have a GAMING computer?
rough pulsar
WMR, Rift S.
Second hand Vive if you'd like to upgrade to nicer stuff later.
sterile ingot
I'd say the Rift S then for around that price range.
umbral reef
The price and unmonitored mark gaming pc means nothing
Actually run the SteamVR performance test and check the result
grizzled fable
but i dont have a vr headset to do it with rn
sterile ingot
Yeah, if you can find an original Vive go for that. It was stupid for HTC to discontinue it to force the Cosmos on people.
rough pulsar
The perf test simulates a HMD, it's literally for checking if your PC could run one before you get one.
sterile ingot
The steam test doesn't need the HMD. It's just checking hardware.
vocal shard
Eh. I wouldn't recommend the og Vive if it was still being sold at normal price. Not really wrong for them to discontinue it
umbral reef
Also it doesnt just check the hardware arch
It runs an actual test
sterile ingot
A 2k PC should be able to run VR.
tacit plank
Maybe not if you get a mac lol
umbral reef
2K in some places means jack shit while in others you can buy a house for it~
Also plenty of store bought pcs get extremely marked up so
sterile ingot
That's what I mean by should. If a 2k PC can't run VR someone was likely ripped off.
Or it's a high end work station.
grizzled fable
yall know any good avatar worlds?
like good avatar animations
what are the hand things for on the rift s
can i move my hands with them?
sterile ingot
Oh shit
grizzled fable
tf
tacit plank
Because "It's ultra-thin!"
grizzled fable
do the hand things on the rift S move your hands in vr chat?
or is it jsut the headset for vr chat
rough pulsar
Yes, that's the point of hand controllers in VR.
vocal shard
Luckily I'm reusing my PC for VR, so can finally play VRchat without Keyboard and Mouse
tacit plank
For 1000$ I got a laptop with a 960 and a i7 3.5 ghz. Not amazing, but it beats the 8~ year old low-grade chips in stores
rough pulsar
It's the same with all modern HMDs, the hand controllers are so you have your hands in VR because it'd be pretty shitty otherwise.
tacit plank
From my experience, buying online is best
vocal shard
But with FBT you have to line up the tracker ball things in game to the avatar so can have that full body control
sterile ingot
I want more points so I can better control my elbows and knees.
grizzled fable
i saw some guy who had an avatar with his wee wee out
tacit plank
Btw, I kind of want to hear everybodies opinions on this. Isn't the VR market screwed at the moment?
Oculus has no fullbody.
Vive is sold out, vive pro is sold out most places. Every new heatset (like the cosmos) seems worse.
Tracking stations are sold out, trackers are likely hard to get ones hands on too.
Those console tracking thingies are sold out (I forgot what they're called, cheap camera-tracking)
Valve index is sold out globally
grizzled fable
wee wee XD
tacit plank
This just seems like a poor time to get VR, unless you can get your hands on a cheap vive pro set
vocal shard
No, I wouldn't say that every headset being sold out means VR is screwed...
umbral reef
You mean FBT?
grizzled fable
steam vr doesnt work 😠
umbral reef
Inside out tracking is the future unless its high end
FBT is not a thing in most vr games
umbral reef
did you download the test or the full program...
rough pulsar
@grizzled fable Sounds like you got the wrong one, one sec I'll get you a link to the right one
grizzled fable
ok
vocal shard
We need more games to support full body for hardware manufacturers to take it seriously
sterile ingot
FBT in my opinion OUGHT to be a standard thing in the games, though it's still new. Not even deserving of the title platform.
rough pulsar
@grizzled fable This is the one you need https://store.steampowered.com/app/323910/SteamVR_Performance_Test/
vocal shard
Even Vive trackers aren't meant for full body
tacit plank
I have yet to hear anything positive about the new lighthouse-less headsets. They're just not good enough for VRC movements
sterile ingot
No, I figure certain clothing or stickers will eventually be the norm instead of expensive trackers.
vocal shard
The only headset that gets a tonne of flack for tracking is cosmos
umbral reef
I really dont see FBT taking off anytime soon
The tech isnt there yet, it doesnt add enough in games yet (most arent even roomspaced but seated/onespot gameplay games)
Also plenty dont even give you a body just hands..
nocturne bear
How would one go about starting up an event in vr chat?
tacit plank
What's the alternative? What can you buy right now which doesn't suck and is less than 1500$?
umbral reef
Join the event discord is the first step
tacit plank
Have friends, make a plan, and make a nice poster I guess
umbral reef
The western events are hella lacking, badly grouped up and advertised. Pretty much a free for all so yea
sterile ingot
I've written up a short seminar I still need to rehearse more.
nocturne bear
Okay, I'd really like to start something up 🙂 thanks
opaque pivot
hello?
hearty coyote
What are the funnest things you like to do in VRC
The court trials are pretty hilarious imo
But what else can I do
rustic gust
Does this happen to others too? I have an Oculus Rift S and have tried to play in VRChat. When it asks me to log in, I go “through VRChat” as I made a profile. Once I put in my credentials, it logs me in then it loads forever. I then did it from Oculus to Steam Vr which still didn’t work. After waiting a while it says 100%, 67kb out of 67kb. Is there an easy fix or am I just screwed?
vocal shard
Some have been experiencing this. It's probably something with the network.
hearty coyote
#user-support-old because I’m clueless
vocal shard
It will probably go away on its own
Ah, all need to do is close the game and launch it again I think
rustic gust
@vocal shard Something similar to this happened a while back but I was able to load in. However, I could not leave the lobby or see any worlds/friends. On this current problem should I just quit and wait til another update?
vocal shard
I don't really know. I'm not good at troubleshooting
opaque pivot
hello?
hearty coyote
Hello
opaque pivot
hi
hearty coyote
hi
opaque pivot
hyd
hearty coyote
ra
opaque pivot
good
pallid portal
desert stratus
eyes
soft warren
yes
vocal shard
12k is the average on weekends
winter vale
lol
stiff tree
hm guess I've never noticed always used to be around 7k
meager solstice
vrc concurrent players have been going up for some time now
fair latch
Is it normal for a quest to just randomly dc from a world?
ruby needle
Make sure you have a stable wireless connection
hearty coyote
Not like there’s a way to get a wired connection anyway
wet notch
Hello everyone
Do u have a beautiful worlds to go ?!
lapis ether
Hey you guys you know whats funny... The last time I said can we have a blank spaces name. I do have blank space name but they think its a mod that hides there name... I didnt use a single mod but I didnt know theres a mod for that.(Known User) said that.
wet notch
What about my question ?! 🌚
lapis ether
Go to garden of nostalgia
stark stratus
Hello
vocal shard
looking at a mirror irl after playing and feeling sick at the sight of myself
what is this
me :)
vocal shard
huh?
warped rain
Do you just feel ugly or just feel like you're not you?
Because if it's the ugly one, then mood.
vocal shard
yes to both
sterile ingot
A therapist might not be a bad idea.
vocal shard
😰
sterile ingot
Well what do you want me to tell you? Do the necessary change work until you are happy with yourself?
warped rain
Therapists are good for many people in general if you're in a position to see one.
If it's actually a case of body dysphoria, that's one thing. But some people just feel weird after being in VR in general.
sterile ingot
That happened to me, though only for the first day.
vocal shard
hope this is just a onetime thing then
warped rain
I had issues where my hands felt weird for a few days after getting my VR. That passed and never came back, even after long breaks.
warped rain
How long have you had VR for?
How long have you played vrchat for?
vocal shard
i had a rift s a year ago with vrchat, i sold that after a few months, ive had an index since friday morning
and its monday morning now
sterile ingot
Congrats. Good set.
vocal shard
i spent a long time in vr today might just be that
sterile ingot
That could very well be.
warped rain
Ahhh, first of all, I'm jealous. I'm currently still on the Rift S which I'm still digging. But the Index looks dope.
Second of all, you're probably right. I kind of wish I could get those feelings from VR again back when I was new.
sterile ingot
I am glad that feeling of confusion about what was real or not went away.
warped rain
Haha, touching a table and actually being amazed that you can feel it instead of going through it
hearty coyote
I’m getting pretty rad at this lawyer business in VR
vocal shard
Are videoplayers just busted in vr atm
im gonna limit my hours/day in future
cause this is really not a nice feeling
hearty coyote
Do that
sterile ingot
Shit, Washington state just shut down all bars and restaurants over the virus.
hearty coyote
Washington got hit hard, I’m not surprised
sterile ingot
I work in Seattle 😛 I USED to deliver pizza.
hearty coyote
Dang
sterile ingot
Now I work in a start up.
sterile ingot
It's okay, I'm down with the sickness. 😛
rare current
🎵 Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me 🎵
peak bramble
left hearth
Hey
plush walrus
Mornin
ashen smelt
anyone know anything about vrc acc being online but no avatar is shown?
devout berry
"Maybe the US government hacked the game to get a listener inside and broke it?" 🤣 I wouldn't be surprised to see them caught sneaking spying sh*t even into VRChat! But seriously? Never seen that happen.
ornate pecan
Oh hey @peak bramble! Small world :P
quasi estuary
hey
silver forge
Are videoplayers just busted in vr atm
@vocal shard no. They never are. If they are busted for you, update youtube-dl
fossil root
@vocal shard https://www.vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_afa1bc3b-ee28-4536-8f1d-8bce9e7e8ae6 it's also quest-compat
deft girder
There are other reasons as well the video players can break esp for youtube videos
fossil root
Also, replacing VRChat's own youtube-dl with the mainline one opens you up to IP-grabbing attacks through public video players.
I mean, it still happens without replacing it because of direct URL players, but whatever
pseudo basalt
Is that why they got rid of the autoupdate flag on it
faint skiff
"no. They never are." That's not really true. Video players in VRC have always been messy and normally rely on "pray that it just works today" based.
narrow ridge
hi
misty jacinth
Who do I talk to about helping me with setting up the SDK for Unity
umbral reef
Its best to just follow a tutorial if you want to upload an avatar
vocal shard
@fossil root thanks for your information before
Sorry for the late reply
is anyone getting loading errors?
tame galleon
Can we get a mf cuddle puddle goin down
Your boy needs the embrace of a stranger (no homo)
elder hawk
@misty jacinthdownload the Old Sdk
languid beacon
Any fix for really bad voice delay? Everyone says they hear me 2 seconds later and that I talk over everyone
pseudo basalt
Isn't that just high ping
fossil root
move to a different country
pure hemlock
Buy new internets
fossil root
p.s. not a good idea rn
pseudo basalt
Just vpn to a different country 😎
languid beacon
I'm with someone like, across the street in real life
pseudo basalt
If it goes through vrc servers then it probably doesn't matter
languid beacon
same ISP
pure hemlock
are you in the america
languid beacon
We both are yes
pure hemlock
oof
tame galleon
Assuming you have a PC and can run command prompt, use /ipconfig release and then /ipconfig renew
You might have packet loss
vocal shard
Does anybody know where to get a Pennywise Avatar? (Not the Balloon-cartoon version)
vocal shard
silver forge
It's more than twice heavier
Mmm, keep your head straight and maybe readjust the headset around
real plover
the most fun i had with my index, was telling my brain to ''let go'' of my controller
takes a bit ^^
same
vocal shard
@silver forge did that they still dont work, i also made sure to check if my redist packages were up to date, if vrvhat is running as admin, i get a 184 error which means the game cant access the youtube-dl file, which means that the vrchat devs seem to have broken it
silver forge
🤔
Check if the youtube-dl.exe is not restricted in terms of access
I would also try complete VRC wipe (including cleaning after Steam uninstall), reinstall, youtube-dl update.
If after this sequence you still have problems, then the problem might not be on your side.
AFAICR, videos worked for me yesterday
vocal shard
done it already
did a full reinstall
im the only one ot of my friends who cant see videos
just seems like it's broken
rough pulsar
I'd try running the youtube-dl.exe manually on a valid youtube url via the command line, see what happens.
brave garden
anyone wanna join me?
vocal shard
im soo bored
vocal shard
well that's annoying
the only way for me to use youtube-dl is with a vpn, which means i have to play this with a vpn
vocal shard
Eh fuck it, apparently the version they use and the latest versions dont want to read config files so i cant even fix it
rapid dome
i'll be getting in now, somebody want to roam together?
vocal shard
anyone ever make that Hatsune miku abomination yet? The one with the strong arms
rigid crescent
@hollow sluice get a neckpillow that's what I use when I'm passing out in vr
covert blade
Hm?
deft girder
Oh my messages didn't load completely 😄
vocal shard
Whats up people
whole valley
the Sky
faint skiff
@tame galleon Renewing their LAN IP will have no effect on their internet IP...
vocal shard
anyone know where to find vampire avatar?
real plover
just a vampire avatar or?
vocal shard
yup
real plover
hmm...i did see one yesterday or a day ago. err...
vocal shard
can you find it in your recent worlds?
real plover
oh it wasn't from a world, saw someone using a vampire avatar. who knew a vampire could die to a knife in murder 
vocal shard
ah rip
real plover
i will try and poke you if i see one :]
vocal shard
thank you i will give pats and huggle in return~
real plover
well i sell pats for 5 bottlecaps to satisfy my stimpack addiction
finite kraken
Would I get in trouble if I stream on twitch nothing but model editing on the vrchat twitch channel?
rigid crescent
if you're not playing VRChat why would you stream under VRChat 🤔
iron niche
i have a question about playing with a friend/friends, can i download a world and set it so that only my friend and I can play on it? I am brand new to the game so im sorry if it's an easy question
vocal shard
you can set worlds to be private so you and your friend can be alone
iron niche
may i ask how I can do that? im sorry again, i havent even booted up the game yet as im trying to still coordinate some stuff with my friend
real plover
find the world, click on it then "new instance", select invite then go there. only you can invite people to said world
iron niche
do i need unity to download/launch a world? when i click launch world, it does nothing, do i already need to be in a game to do it?
static aspen
skrt
vocal shard
anybody wanna join me in the pug?
swift monolith
So like are people stupid or are people actually getting hyped about the same model with crop top and panties being re-made by every avatar creator 8 times over
None of the big avatar creators be making anything original in the past like 3 weeks
rigid crescent
None of the big avatar creators make anything original ever lol what do you mean
unless it's a commission for someone who actually had a design ready
it's weird you're just discovering this 🤔
swift monolith
I mean I know they don't make anything original
But people keep acting hyped up over their avatars when they're literally all this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329005938407112708/689211073760460835/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329005938407112708/687564190759649280/4898e528f555734246e9deefe47390d2.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329005938407112708/687002127541076068/1c8572e270e8790deef4e04509a88ca1.png
rigid crescent
https://twitter.com/BebopSloan/status/1224124681109692416 BebopSloan put it the best
deft girder
Very true 😄
rigid crescent
No one is interested in anything moderately unique lol
THat and not everyone cares to have a unique identity
pure hemlock
wow those are amazingly unique avatars I have never seen anything like them before
fervent tree
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 11874 users in VRChat currently
mortal storm
we love you!
tame seal
So I just placed an order for the Valve Index kit which on the website says it could take about 8 weeks to ship but some people have said they got it within 5 days (I'm guessing after they paid for it.) Does anyone know approximately I might be getting mine if I just placed the order/request/whatever today?
brittle yoke
i ordered one to but u are in a 8 week que since they ran out the day they got restocked
@tame seal
?
tacit plank
Half my Discord servers are giving connection errors, just me?
@vocal shard That's probably just bad luck. People can be really rude, especially teenagers. Try finding other groups? If you're refering to VRChat, it seems to me that most large instances have a lot of rude people. You might also just misunderstand, some people have harsh language as a joke. I'd need more information to give more helpful advice though
meager solstice
@tacit plank major discord outage
real plover
have fun getting used to the fact you have to let go of your expensive controller to drop/throw things 😄
tacit plank
Seems to be back
"corono virus filled day" I don't so outside. If it weren't forall the news I wouldn't have noticed
rugged bronze
is every chat dead?
rugged bronze
Phew, it took them long enough
queen jetty
Blop
wispy knoll
is it normal that vrchat crashes as soon as i try to join a friend?
real plover
no
vocal shard
:p
ripe venture
Hi
real plover
hoi
vocal shard
so yea even after just like 2 hours total in vr today and barely looking at mirrors in vrchat im feeling sick looking at myself irl 🙃
not fun
real plover
why?
vocal shard
no idea
real plover
sterile ingot
Clearly you recognize that's a-typical.
vocal shard
yesterday i thought it was just disorientation from spending too long in vr but
seems like vrchat mirrors are a bad trigger for body dysmorphia
i'll try only using abstract avatars tomorrow and see if that does anything for it
cause im perfectly fine after games without avatars
real plover
don't look at mirrors
sterile ingot
That doesn't address the actual problem, though.
real plover
nope
vocal shard
depends if the body dysmorphia is caused by something else or not, i read up on things yesterday
warped rain
What kind of things did you learn? (I'm just legitimately curious)
swift monolith
About the index shipping I think it was said if you ordered in the first 4 seconds they'd try and do same day shipping for your stuff. I got my controllers 3 days after I ordered them. Friend that ordered within the first 4 seconds got his full set in 4 days after ordering so
vocal shard
yo
real plover
bøø
vocal shard
danish ?
real plover
Norwegian
vocal shard
ahhh'
real plover
yeah 
brave garden
Anyone wanna play vrc
storm stag
Is it me or VRC is acting up?
Loading seems abit..Slow.
Same when checking worlds and social menu.
velvet spire
I just downloaded Vr-chat... Glad to join new communties!
sterile ingot
VRChat I am guessing is seeing heavy load due to so many people being home.
velvet spire
I hope your problems resolve soon Nemi
No one likes slow games
I am getting spikes in lag though
undone holly
Who else tryna pull an all nighter in vrchat
warped rain
That sounds like hell
vocal shard
i've done that tons of times
warped rain
You have my condolences
real plover
i just did pull an all nighter, 06:48am here atm, off to bed i go 
autumn girder
I wonder if is there a way to create haptic feedback on controllers when touching people..
Tha'd be really cool, I guess
void willow
Wich version of blender it's the good one for the plugin of cats blender?
hard ferry
@void willow i have Version 2.79 for the cats blender
hard ferry
does any1 has like Tips for buying a VR that i should know before buying it?
keen trench
Yep!
fading flower
Have a good pc
keen trench
Feel free to ask questions
fading flower
And appropriate room space
keen trench
Yeah true first you need a good pc I would say an rx 580 8gb is the minimum you would require
@hard ferry Go ahead and give me your budget
hard ferry
first i need to get a new GPU (RTX2060 = 350 Euro)
keen trench
sure
keen trench
You're looking at a rift s / quest with link
I need to explain the headsets tho as there are some complications with the rift s
hard ferry
something with lenses?
keen trench
Lack of IPD adjustment
keen trench
Yep
Persoanlly i owned a rift s for a short period of time but the lack of ipd adjust prevented me from fixing the screen blur
I just returned my rift s and got an index
however if you have the right ipd for the rift s get it
hard ferry
how can i see that before like i can try
broken plover
You can use a ruler to measure your ipd, or go to an optician
keen trench
^
broken plover
Yep
void willow
@hard ferry Oh okey thank you
hard ferry
np @void willow
rigid zephyr
anyone know good places to dance? I tried void club and whatever comes up in the search results for "club" but not that many people are on sometimes
nocturne bear
Hmmm idk I kinda just have dance partys wherever lol
People like to join in once they see someone else doing it and when there is music
tulip pivot
Nomegalul
vocal shard
Hey fellas, quick question.
Does anybody know any vr youtubers who dont use vr headset 😮
Theres Radiant Soul
broken plover
how would you do vr videos without vr?
rigid crescent
They're clearly not a VR YouTuber if they don't have a VR headset lol that's like asking for a cooking YouTuber without any recipes
fossil root
@void willow use the latest 2.82a
recent versions of CATS are made to work better with it, Blender 2.8x is infinitely easier to use than 2.7x, anyone who tells you to use 2.79 is like someone telling you to use Windows 7 on your PC if you're coming from a Mac.
manic spade
could someone do me and my friend a favor?
real plover
depends on the favour 
manic spade
itd be for someone to download a certain avatar and meet us so we can clone it
becouse unity isnt working right for us and we've basically given up on it and this is the last thing we would probably try before just giving up lol
i cant use the avatar its not quest compatible but my friend can, he is on pc
rigid crescent
What is unity not doing
real plover
you've enabled the VRCSDK aye?
manic spade
i think it said he didnt have a thing- but he did?
real plover
and, depending on his user rank he may or may not be allowed to upload stuff
manic spade
yeah in that case we would need someones help ahaha
real plover
aye
zinc gorge
vocal shard
it so fcking simple to RP in court...but NOO kids just spamming the red button sht out of it -_- i just want to RP a court but just a f*cking kids I WISH THERES A REAL RP IN COURT!
broken plover
create a private instance and invite the people that rp with you. If its a public instance that anyone can join, of course kids will join that ruin everything
thats the only way to rp nowadays sadly :/
broken plover
go to a public instance, and ask if anyone wants to rp in court, and then invite them to a private instance
covert blade
Work on making friends that are interested to RP there
I've been in two RP instances already without even looking for it
brittle yoke
anyone know how to make custom clothes on a vr chat avatar
languid beacon
Yeah the new blender is amazing. Took me a week to unlearn the previous version but then it’s so much better
It’s how it should have all worked in the first place
odd basalt
I though, due lockdown, it would be more people online 😮
languid beacon
There was 12k over the weekend
People are at work and school now. Most places are not shut down. 11k is still actually a lot more than usual
covert blade
A lot of places are closed though
Schools, clubs, restaurants, our town hall is closed too
odd basalt
I have seen 20K on weekends. Not all weekends of course
languid beacon
I’ve never.. seen that actually
lean gorge
every time i go on vrc its empty af
odd basalt
like 11 its not few but I just expected more
covert blade
@lean gorge where do you go to?
lean gorge
the spots i see streamers going to
covert blade
Where's that?
lean gorge
then poof
odd basalt
the amount of people on private areas its huge tho. Feels like 60% of people are on private always
languid beacon
Yeah that’s normal. Make friends and then get invited to private it’s how it always works
odd basalt
he means the top maps, the pug and such
lean gorge
@covert blade i dont remember the names at all bruv
odd basalt
wow Adeon Writer
lean gorge
i go on
covert blade
Wow
odd basalt
are you the adeaon writer I think you are? @languid beacon
lean gorge
i have Alzheimers ah
covert blade
Just go to Pug, Black Cat, La Barista, Murder 2 ect
lean gorge
aight
real plover
Murder is good fun~ it's all i do 😄
languid beacon
Are you the Kitsune I think you are? 🦊
odd basalt
@languid beacon well I dont think it can be that many Adeon Writers right? It feels weird seeing you with "less hair" 😛
Assuming you are "that" Adeon Writer lmao. Just to clarify, I mean SL one (before things starts to turn weird in case you arent lol).
@languid beacon if you arent the one from SL then I apology >_<
odd basalt
lol. Isnt cheating if its VR mode tho
languid beacon
I have 4 vr headsets I have a problem
marble cedar
what problem
odd basalt
unless having too much headsets itself its a problem 😛
languid beacon
Addiction to vr basically
odd basalt
I have just CV1 and Quest. Wanted Index but I have no space. I dont like inside out tacking but I have to admit it's great when you havent much space
I like VR a lot but I cant kinda get what I want from it. Maybe its a matter of space and having more freedom to enjoy certain games but its also that, game wise, it lacks some quality. There are games I love and enjoy but we really need more
aww you went back to your true self x3
marble cedar
i have none :/
vocal shard
People without VRchat on lockdown https://twitter.com/NigheanMo/status/1239716952354050048?s=20
marble cedar
how much space u got there?
odd basalt
Me? I game on the studio so its quite small. Basically, if someone wants to exist, the other person sitting next to door has to place their chair forward so they can walk behind carefully lol. So Id say its like 1.5 meters between desk and stands. Pretty much enough space for the chairs. And these chairs takes lot of space and cant be moved outside to play properly.
the studio its a room of like 4 x 3 meters I guess. But the desk its 3 meters long and there are stands behind us. Computers and all stuff takes lot of space. I often just use Quest wirelessly for VRChat
odd basalt
thats nice. This room its quite big but its a huge desk for 2 computers and 5 monitors so its also large in depth. There are a bunch of boxes around too.
marble cedar
ahh
odd basalt
I hate this small place lol. Cant wait to move elsewhere
marble cedar
hah
brittle yoke
ive just been reading this chat and well i had a psvr now ive ordered an index
odd basalt
maybe 4 x 3 I think or maybe 4 x 2.5
marble cedar
mine is bigger ah
odd basalt
XD
marble cedar
like 6.5m x 4
brittle yoke
i know the feeling i just didnt spend money for like half a year and when i had enough they ran out so i waited again
marble cedar
abit more (the 2nd one)
odd basalt
thats nice
brittle yoke
oh oof
real plover
damn you corona
odd basalt
well I dont think a vr headset its sooo expensive right now. Like yeah Index its pricey but Quest headsets are pretty good and less than half. 450$ its still a good amount but doesnt sounds so prohibitive. I mean, if you have a computer for VR then these numbers may not sound so big. And there are ways... some stores let you pay in several montsh without extra fees. Or credit cards that works in the same way.
but
you buy online
marble cedar
520eur here but thare are none on place
odd basalt
yeah its more expensive here (eur too). Didnt know it was out of stock. Quest was but Rift S I though it was fine
marble cedar
where u live in
odd basalt
Spain
marble cedar
Latvia is more far smhh
odd basalt
more far from where?
marble cedar
from ||there||
odd basalt
😮
marble cedar
real plover
🇳🇴 
odd basalt
which one do you want? Quest? S, Index?
marble cedar
S
odd basalt
nice
marble cedar
we dont even get index here lol
marble cedar
just oculuses and vives
odd basalt
its weird, I want it hence why I would have choosed Index but at the same time I know I wouldnt dance or move at all .-.
real plover
Norway don't have access to the index either, had a german friend buy it for me then ship it to me.
marble cedar
lol
brittle yoke
denmark has acces
marble cedar
good friend u got there
real plover
i know right 😄
odd basalt
Steam suck pretty hard
real plover
i had his address, told him that if he nabbed it i'd come down there to slap him
marble cedar
ha
odd basalt
with all the money, they cant deliver their own products worldwide. Nice... they could do it through third party resellers tho. Gamestop, amazon, etc..
marble cedar
ye
odd basalt
when I bought Oculus, it got delivered from UK anyway. So isnt like Steam would need a store on every single country. Just deliver it by regions :v
umbral reef
@odd basalt They got a limited amount of headsets because they cant produce them fast enough
That a factor but they also would not enjoy making expensive deals that push the price higher.. And the fact that oculus already has premade deals for delivery worldwide because of facebook money/power isnt to be compared really
odd basalt
I am sure Steam money, while not facebook money, can be compared without fear
umbral reef
Yes but actually no
odd basalt
then a new chinese crappy company appears, develops some crappy headset and its available worlwide through internatinal shipping. I dont think frontiers matters anymore regarding shipping products. The Steam issue its that they dont want to go through thirdparty resellers so all benefits goes to them
brittle yoke
im just happy i got an index
odd basalt
On a market like VR that causes extreme harm. If its just a market with few users add that those who wants to get your headset cant because its not even available for these countries. It just makes everything harder. Lets leaving shortage asides if were the case
marble cedar
im just sad that i got nothing
brittle yoke
a rift s aint too pricy
umbral reef
Being a chinese company means that in most countries you get stupidly fucking cheap shipping
Its why you can buy knockoff bullshit for almost nothing. If its below X weight its totally free import tax and if its above its still leaps cheaper
odd basalt
no reason to be sad. VR its cool but there are a lot to come. I am really waiting for next batch. Varifocal, wider FOV and lighter weight its what I need
odd basalt
xD
marble cedar
odd basalt
Index its more than 1100€ here. I am sure it covers shipping worlwide pretty well. Its an already overpriced product so it cant be a big deal to ship it to more countries rather than making it so exclusive
marble cedar
huhh
brittle yoke
its 1079€ here
odd basalt
ok, its 1079 right now. Isnt too far from the price I said tho 😛
marble cedar
htc vive pro full kit -> 1 298.99 eur
odd basalt
nu pro, just index
real plover
i think i did around 1200 euro for my index back in november
marble cedar
vive pro eye thingie ->1 730.12eur
marble cedar
bet my country ant gona be in there
knotty flower
laughs in oculus go
real plover
brittle yoke
laughs in psvr
real plover
i can laugh in index and vive pro
knotty flower
get outta here
brittle yoke
i can soon laugh in index but who needs two
broken plover
laughs in google cardboard jk I have wmr :/
real plover
went from pro to index, pro is now collecting dust UwU
knotty flower
im planning on getting wmr or oculus rift s
broken plover
give me your old pro then lol
brittle yoke
the pro is worth more money tho
knotty flower
its cheap here in my country
brittle yoke
oh
marble cedar
huh
knotty flower
the oculus rift and quest costs the same here in my country
broken plover
They cost the same almost everywhere unless one of them is out of stock again and is being only sold by resellers overpriced
knotty flower
i rlly want to get the quest but its so limited
broken plover
Why not the rift s? Or do you not have a vr ready pc?
broken plover
it works fine for some games that arent that demanding like vrchat. Its more cpu demanding
knotty flower
yeh im planning playing beat saber too
brittle yoke
im okay good at beatsaber
broken plover
I have an rx560 thats somewhere between 1050 and 1050ti and it works fine for vrchat and beat saber. Even pavlov kind of works
knotty flower
wmr as in samsung odyssey
broken plover
its just my cpu thats slowing everything down. Last time I checked my usage while playing vrchat my gpu was between 60% and 80% meanwhile my cpu was always 99%
knotty flower
bottlneck?
broken plover
theyre better than the normal wmr controllers
bottleneck means, like the neck of the bottle when you pour the water out. Thats the thing that slows everything else down
odd basalt
Quest its great but you need to know that you sacrifice in comfort a lot. On every other aspect its great and even better than S but comforst its something to take into account. Also some games like Beat Saber doesnt work too good with Link just in case that you wanted to play the PC version besides mobile one. But for the rest, its a great headset. I use it with ALVR all the time.
knotty flower
ikr
broken plover
The quest is good for everything that isnt vrchat
knotty flower
i want it a lot bc its portable
but i mainly play vrchat
so seeing that kills it for me
im thinking abt that too
odd basalt
but you can play vrchat pc with quest :v
broken plover
wmr isnt that immersive in the first place imo
odd basalt
I do always play VRChat with quest all the time, PC VRChat it is
broken plover
vive was alot better for some reason when I tried it at a vr arcade
knotty flower
wait how can u play vrchat pc with the quest
broken plover
oculus link
odd basalt
I play with ALVR, wireless, from the next room so I have more space or can simply sit or lay on bed.
no I use ALVR
knotty flower
ik so with oculus link u can join pc worlds and see pc avatars?
odd basalt
but thats it, its a great headset and have some features that are cool like higher resolution than S, better screens, physical IPD, etc...
broken plover
yeah with oculus link and ALVR and what not its basically like a rift s
odd basalt
with Oculus Link you dont join PC worlds, you just play PC VR connecting Quest with the Link cable. So is not Quest VRChat anymore, its just like Rift S we could say
So you connect to Steam, etc.. you dont open Quest VRChat to play it
knotty flower
oh aight bois im getting quest
knotty flower
uhhuh?
odd basalt
if for you comfort its very important, get S
knotty flower
wdym by comfort
odd basalt
Quest its cool but I mostly use it for VRChat so its fine. You couldnt play Beat Saber through ALRV because there is a small latency aand that game needs extreme precision
knotty flower
i mean i could i always get the quest beat saber
odd basalt
yeah, Quest its OLED, two screens, higher resolution. S its LCD big screen
broken plover
The rift s is more comfortable because the quest has all the tech in the front, meanwhile the rift s only has the displays and cameras and that stuff because the processing is being done in your pc
odd basalt
yeah but lets say you are interested a lot on other PC only games that requires high reflexes. I just dont want you to feel bad that you made a bad decision :P. It also depends on each game. VRChat have more latency than Skyrim VR. Skyrim its pretty close to zero latency
broken plover
and thats the main selling point for some people
odd basalt
yeah, S its more comfy because its lighter and has the halo design which I guess it helps
knotty flower
wait alvr does it change the whole 'OS' of the quest
btw i dont rlly care abt comfort i just wanna get into vr
since its my first time in vr i wouldnt care too much
odd basalt
the latency that you get on Quest isnt so perceptible. Its mostly VRChat. You have nearly zero latency on Steam VR then you turn on vrchat and its there where the latency happens. I bet maybe vrchat uses some smoothing algorythm for hands movement which may producte tiny delay that gets bigger over ALVR
you dont change the OS at all. You just install an app inside and on your PC you run an executable that streams steamvr to the quest app that you just installed
knotty flower
u can still play the normal quest games right?
odd basalt
so inside of quest its like if steamvr or your computer were a whole 360 video running on an app
yeah of course
ALVR its just one more app that you install and you can close anytime and go back to home. Or even leave it open and go home then return to the app
with the right settings, quality wise you barely notice its streamed except some zones with a lot of movement. The Forest for example its easy to get blocky artifacts due video compression
knotty flower
i just want to use alvr for vrchat
odd basalt
for less compression you can use Link cable which sends the video on higher quality at faster speed. I just prefer wireless and since vrchat doesnt need too much precision, the small delay doesnt makes a big deal and due its graphics all maps looks fine
odd basalt
if you just want vrchat, I think Quest would be a great option for you. Because you can play on computer and stream wirelessly. Just keep in mind few things. You need a good 5Ghz router, preferibly its this is a dedicated one attached to your main one so its only used by Quest and traffic its light
stream quality can be setup by yourself. I use 90MB/s. You can't tell its a streamed video except few places
for example, if you go to the pug, there are like some red dark corridors right? red color like green compress a bit bad so you can see a tiny bit of blocks but not perceptible if you dont look for them on purpose
odd basalt
and some maps with lot of moving vegetation when the textures are too detailed may cause block artifacts. The ghibli world with lot of grass looks perfect for example while a few others not so good. But you really dont notice. I also have CV1 and Quest with ALVR looks 10 times better.
lol
fringe walrus
honestly I simply prefer the solution of using a link cable.
umbral reef
Also with the quest its good to know that the link cable does use more performance for the same quallity/effort then a normal headset would use.
So if you if are planning for a better pc soon it could be worth waiting.
odd basalt
I really dont use the Quest VRChat app anymore
fringe walrus
you miss out on too much. hopefully they fix the game's performance enough to improve the experience.
it already seems much better than it used to be.
umbral reef
Most of the performance gain would be from users actually optimizng there shitty avatars
jolly pelican
I want to make a Trouble in Terrorist Town map, this the right place to find other devs?
odd basalt
I used to play Quest ALVR with a 780Ti and it was fine. Tried with a 1060 3GB and was good too.
fringe walrus
eh, not just that. VRChat is intensive out of the box, and they sincerely should lower the poly limit to something more reasonable
umbral reef
Slim if you mean to developt together you can try #world-development
But collabing on projects is hard to do really.
If you want someone else to make it better be ready to pay as no one works for free
knotty flower
ill do more research on this
for now i need to sleep its 2am for me lol
odd basalt
well vrchat definitely needs improvements. When you let people upload everything they want without control, this happens. And once this happens, its hard to go back. VRChat should have had some more strict limits and open them slowly the more the game grows and hardware improves
real plover
night night 
odd basalt
ok, gnight. If you ever need some specific info for Quest, send me a message. Ill be glad to help you
umbral reef
@fringe walrus There are events that force you to use specific harsh optimized models or you cant join
Those events can without a problem have 30 people, throw off the nameplates and each VR capable machine can function with 45 smooth
Some higher end rigs can touch 90 smooth
odd basalt
well, it happens because people are not professional so if they can upload a 300K poly mesh and the software itself doesnt stops you, they will keep doing so
umbral reef
Beside all the warning it throws at you
Its really down to being lazy and not wanting to care about the larger optimazation goal then not knowing how to in most cases
No reason to not merge materials
No reason to have empty bones or not merge bones for dbones
Cats legit does all the work for you beside pressing the one button
odd basalt
one common mistake on virtual world creations its to expect for everyone to follow some rules that they dont necessarily needs to know since they arent professional 3d artists. So to avoid this, you need to cut some wings and put some limits. But no one likes limits 😛
yeah but it does only if you know about it
umbral reef
Most kitbashers that commision use cats
Most normal avatar people use cats by now
odd basalt
if all you want its to have your favorite anime character in a game, you dont even stop to care about if they use bones or not or what materials are. You just import your stolen MMD content and upload following some basic instructions from a YT video
umbral reef
This aint 2017 VRC anymore
Everything it overly documentd and made so much easier
Its literally easier to upload stuff thats optimized then not :'o
odd basalt
dont get me wrong, is not like I like these practices. As professional 3D artist it often feels like killing people when i see certain stuff lol. But I am used to online virtual worlds way before vrchat was even an idea and they all often fall on these same mistakes.
umbral reef
Well might be that i know how the game functioned, what road we where on with optimazation and then they undid all the steps and made tools that where 20x as effective in doing the bad things we where avoiding
And that im talking from that past point instead of the current jazz we got
odd basalt
The first thing should be something like this:
-Allow only "creators" members with certain requisites to upload with imposed limits.
-Increase limits for trusted creators so they have more freedom while allowing average users to upload with more stricted limits than creators.
-Increase limits over time; if these limits works for creators fine, it should for average users.
If you do it like this, by the time that average users wants to upload stuff, experienced creators may have already created enough documentation and resources for the rest to do it correctly.
umbral reef
Well
we already have insane and i mean book works load of user content
Got tools that automate most of the steps better then most 'avatar creators' can do
odd basalt
by only creators I mean just people that after some time and tests you can have certain warranty that they know enough what they are doing and wont upload stuff to break the game. This is of course on the early stages of a game, not something to do half way.
umbral reef
Its just that no global enity that rules over the game has combined these things
Or someone from the community with big enough reach. Its all slip up selfish communities or smaller communities helping eachother hard
odd basalt
its simply a way of controlling a bit whats uploaded before it gets out of hand x3
umbral reef
Before avatars worlds where all checked on optimazation
No direct avatar sharing beside if it was in a world
Then we got cloning and they didnt check anything anymore
odd basalt
yeah but at the end of the day it all goes to unexperienced users and the game allowing you to do these stuff. If it were impossible to do it, people would look for workaround to optimize. So isnt just about telling to not do it, but forcing them to not do it. There is not much sense on saying "omg you guys uploaded this extremely high poly avatar" if you allow them to do it in first place. Average users have no idea whats good or bad or whats too much.
umbral reef
First few months they took reports on some really unoptimized avatar worlds but lmao, its easier to find an unoptimized one then optimized
odd basalt
yeah
worst of all its not wether they are heavy or not but the fact that some of them are done solely to break the game and crash everone
umbral reef
Well those cant really be prevented
odd basalt
this itself its a huge security hole
umbral reef
No way to see if a shader is fine or not 🤷♂️
And unless you want to limit everyone to a few shaders what extremely limiting there is no option
odd basalt
mmmmm if happens through shaders, I guess you could provide a fixed library of shaders to expand over time. It would be tricky as it would limit a lot of stuff. Or maybe just let certain users to use shaders out of library once you get certain rank
odd basalt
I am not talking about actual rank in game, that thing its useless. But rank regarding content creators. This is something to be checked and not something that you get easily over XXX amount of uploads
umbral reef
Well the ranking ingame also functions like that
odd basalt
so thats it, everything will always have a trade off or will require time, resources, etc... it all goes wether it pays or not. But to me, for a game that its mostly for VR, it pays since performance can completely kill the experience
and I am fine playing at 20fps on certain zones lol
halcyon nebula
Sorry, are there login issues right now?
odd basalt
the way ALVR works, its hard to get motion sickness from low fps since the movement of the video will be always smooth (there is no latency on head movement, just controllers a bit).
umbral reef
Performance rank limiter, disabling things like animations and shaders
Also they should fucking undo the polygon count and check it server side not within just the sdk
odd basalt
yeah but I dont like that much. While its useful, some avatars doesnt look right without shaders
so i mostly limit only visitors
see one cool thing could be to force people to upload avatars with shaders from library besides custom one. So those with less performance or with ranks blocked (or even quest for certain cases) would be able to see avatars just fine while those with shaders enabled would see more features on them. But some avatars are invisible or a plain color without shaders. And I am sure when there is no shader its still using the default lit shader probably so just forcing people to configure for exporting would make a difference
I always had it at 0 too
I dont get motion sickness so it was fine. But I cant avoid crashes and malicious stuff so I use on visitors now lol
visitors are only there using random silly avatars anyway
when your computer with i7 and 2080Ti hangs deeply and needs a manual hard reset then things starts to get serious. If VRChat would just close it would be fine, just open it again
marble cedar
hmm
odd basalt
windlands, you are masochist lol
which one you have?
oddyssey its 6dof right?
It works with inside out tracking or uses sensors??
broken plover
you can do all 7 gestures though...
odd basalt
streamvr controller binding its weird and vrchat controls arent too friendly anyway
broken plover
open hand is pressing the grip, and the other gestures are different areas on the touchpad
https://i.redd.it/7bgeo71fmen01.png controls for wmr
guestures are at the bottom
odd basalt
well the reason I am asking its because before CV1, I used DK2 and my partner used to get pretty sick. Tracking wasnt bad at all but it has not the precission of CV1 so the difference was huge. My partner its fine with CV1 as long as isnt a moving experience. But on DK2 could get sick easily even standing lol
I just hate that gestures on hands are tied to emotes. I would rather press a button and choose so I dont look like I am getting a stroke when I try to grab stuff
broken plover
yeah the wmr controllers have the same controls as the vive wands
odd blaze
just alot more buttons you can configure
odd basalt
on rift/quest... isnt exactly tracking your hand. It all goes to the animations setup on the avatar itself. Like you could be pointing but if the avatar its setup to do something else, it will
broken plover
the only more buttons you have are the thumbsticks. Vive wands also have touchpad, trigger, grip, settings and system button
odd basalt
on Index it does tracks tho as far I read
odd blaze
every thumbstick have 5 buttons you can change in steam/vr then there's the others,
when i switched to rift s i noticed the big lack of buttons , do miss em since they can be set to stick easy on one controller but not the othe
odd basalt
yeah it has a sensor, if you rest your fingers over certain zones, it assumes you are doing so. But technically, isnt really tracking them.
in other words, there is just like a fixed number of poses for your hand
which its still fine anyway. But the avatar does not move with those sensors. With them you trigger a "gesture" and the avatar plays that "animation". So usually the pointing animation its tied tot he pointing gesture but this is not always the case. Some avatars have the flipping middle finger rather than the "Horns" thingy sing lol
broken plover
Hand tracking already is a thing, but its not useful for games. Alot of people dont think about the fact that you cant move around in-game if you dont have controllers to move a thumbstick on
odd basalt
but thats on vrchat, on most games they are setup to follow the basic gestures so they will more likely always match the position of your fingers
who needs to move hand if you can do everything with brain then. Just lay on bed XD
broken plover
SAO in real life lmao
marble cedar
no
odd basalt
I though Index sensors do tracks the fingers. Am I wrong? maybe it just tracks like open and close for each finger??
broken plover
yeah it tracks open and close for each finger
odd basalt
yeah all extra stuff are welcome
maybe if vrchat guys were cool and nice and could implement extra motion capture devices we could have more stuff going on
I would love to use the Neuron suit for that but they didnt add support for it
and you can buy only the gloves so it would be a thing
there is also the HI5 device
no its just for motion capture
but altspace vr seems to use it. I never used it with altspace vr tho. Wanted to use with vrchat but cant x3
you just install the unity sdk and retarged to avatar and done. its not extremely complex thats why some free apps have it enabled. I remember High Fidely ading support for all kind of new gadchets lol
I have no idea, I am not programmer myself. But it would be better that they add that rather than users. But I guess yeah, you would need a modded client definitely and is not allowed (even tho 80% of users seems to use these)
technically, if the next oculus have varifocal lens, it have eye tracking too
eye tracking isnt even hard anymore they just didnt implement it yet because isnt of much use if you dont use varifocal lens and/or high resolution panels for fixed foveated rendering
yeah
and some people sell those avatars like "with eye tracking"
the first time I saw that I was like "what???, vrchat have eyetracking???". Fove headset has it but vrchat doesnt implement much stuff so it was weird to me to see that most avatars have eye tracking. Which in reality it seems they mean "skinned eyes" I guess. Tied to some eyes bones so they rotate randomly or look at you if you are near
too bad that cute girl that were looking at you were not really looking at you 😛
something else to consider for example, which could be AWESOME, its to make VRChat compatible with VRM avatars
these are avatars made for VR with Unity and you can get and buy them. There is even an app called VRoid to create your custom anime character and export as VRM. They are very well optimized and include lot of face expressions all ready. Its a good alternative at people uploading stolen MMD models
And VRoid its free
vocal shard
pretty sure they are.
real plover
they never look UwU
odd basalt
mmm I have to disagree on that. Been in SL for 14 years and after they opened the client and made it open source, stolen content floods everywhere. They can add extra features without making the client open at all
You can kinda import VRM into Unity then make it VRChat but I am talking about just uploading VRM directly rather than convert.
vocal shard
Is it hard to make avatars?
brittle yoke
no
rigid crescent
Unless it just becomes the standard for a headset, it seems pretty pointless to go for eye tracking, at least for social games
alpine venture
no with practice everything is possible. its more time consuming than it is hard.
vocal shard
hmm
odd basalt
eyetracking for social mmmm, I guess if the headset its complatible, enabling the sdk wouldnt be a huge task just like you do FBT
rigid crescent
It's more like why bother as a "selling point" right now when all it currently does is up headset price
If it's just a standard on all headsets, which im sure it will be eventually, then sure
odd basalt
but more like social aspects of it, its the benefits on peformance with fixed foveated rendering or even more, varifocal lens so when you look at certain distances you really need to focuss for such distance like i real life. Varifocal lens its what will make a game change on depth perception for vr, its just what its missing right now
brittle yoke
whats k2vr
rigid crescent
yeah as a thing ot help with performance it makes sense
odd basalt
Is not just a way of increasing prices tho. FOV its a really great thing for a huge boost on performance which is extremely necessary right now, even more if these headsets have higher res
rigid crescent
What I meant was that as of right now all it does is increase the price
for the most part
odd basalt
and I dont think it would be too expensive. In reality its just two small common cameras inside of the headset that look at your eyes.
bronze pagoda
hello, is there a channel i can ask about being stuck on login loop?
vocal shard
Question in order to become "trusted user or known user" do u have to make avatars worlds etc?
rigid crescent
nope
broken plover
You dont have to but it helps
vocal shard
Does it just go up over the amount of time you play?
odd basalt
you need to spend 3 years online without logging off
vocal shard
I can do that ez
broken plover
No, its not only time based. Time is also one of the factors, but not the main one
vocal shard
I live on vrc
odd basalt
I have 159 hours only on Steam (not counting Oculus Home PC or Oculus Quest app time) and I am still User XD
my account may have 2 years or more already >_<
vocal shard
Is anyone else having problems logging into vrchat
Yea
or did they fix that already
I got like 540 hours on steam
what type of problem are you guys having? I just want to see if mine is identical
rigid crescent
It's a "play til it happens" Type of thing
vocal shard
I launch my game gives me the BA noise and just says logging in and repeats itself
yeah thats me too
fading flower
yo we dying out here?
vocal shard
See the thing is they said it would be fixed at 3 am in my time when they posted it
Its 1:33 pm now for me
odd basalt
yeah. When I got the "user" rank, it happened after some random girl added me because she wanted to play scary maps and didnt want to go alone. Then suddenly the message appeared. I accepted her request because I am bad at spoken english and wasnt sure what she wanted so I just agreed. I dont like horror maps much ;_; she deleted me as friend two days later tho after I allowed her to close my avatar
odd basalt
I am sure they want it to get fixed asap but some things takes longer than expected
vocal shard
Horror maps are a no go for me nopeeee
odd basalt
on desktop I could, on vr, no. I get scared even on normal maps when people its suddenly behind me or something XD
vocal shard
Sadly my pc don't support vr headsets
true sky
is it me or is everyones avatar stuck on the loading avatar?
merry gale
nope me too
true sky
i cleared cache
odd basalt
even avatar testing scares me because its dark. I got really scared the first time I entered in the tunnel/cave and saw someone running at me. It turned out it was my reflection in the mirror
merry gale
I think everyone has this problem right now
elder badger
ye, not loading
vocal shard
i cant play either
merry gale
it started not loading with me for like 5 minutes ago
vocal shard
Time to go watch paint dry later peeps
azure magnet
Yeah me too, its frustrating. I just got my index controllers too
vocal shard
coronavirus + server problems = fuck
merry gale
oh no
molten vessel
Servers are under maintence I believe. That's probably why there are avatar issues.
merry gale
oh that makes sense
odd basalt
guys, there are server failures all around the world. People are at home and servers are now running at max. Some of them cant keep up so thats why there are issues maybe.
Minecraft servers were all down for the same reason.
dawn rune
Probabaly because everyone is at home rather then at work or in classes due to the virus. The server probably cant keep up.
merry gale
time to upgrade the servers since here will probably be more players thanks to the coronavirus
dawn rune
Eyy, great minds think alike @merry gale
merry gale
How does vrchat make money ? Donations?
covert blade
sponsors
merry gale
or is it from the oculus sponsor ?
dawn rune
I know they used to have a thing with Oculus, Idk what happened to that
merry gale
yeah I wonder what they spent that money on
odd basalt
VRchat? its from valve I think
dawn rune
Maybe its also like an add system from steam? Where they get revenue from people just playing the game? Is that how free games on steam work?
rigid crescent
Sponsors and investors and grants, same as always
vocal shard
hey what's good people
odd basalt
Wasnt it not so long that they received some huge amount of cash from mm valve I believe? or was it HTC?
molten vessel
They get it from a variety of companies sometimes. Whatever they can get usually.
vocal shard
is anyone else having a hard time logging into the funny video game
rigid crescent
vocal shard
the status twitter isn't saying anything about it but I'm completely unable to log in
odd basalt
yeah, HTC. I remember reading about it 🙂
molten vessel
They announced they were gonna be doing maintenance so there's gonna be issues for a bit. Just gotta wait through it, nothing you can do.
dawn rune
I cant even get in. Feelsbad for the maintenance. also feelsbad for the team since they probably have their morals down from not being able to get it back up as fast as they wanted.
rigid crescent
that was from last night
vocal shard
twelve hours ago?
odd basalt
those 10 millions will be invested on making your lolis even more loli and the rest of avatars that arent loli will be deleted
molten vessel
Yea, after affects usually happen with this game, the maintenance sometimes fucks it up more then it helps a lot of the time. just how it goes.
vocal shard
yepp
odd basalt
and wait for when beta stops being beta x3
vocal shard
as if that'll happen lmao
molten vessel
Ah yes, the endless beta symbol.
merry gale
how long has this been beta
vocal shard
three years
molten vessel
^
merry gale
bruh
dawn rune
Yo vrchat should just take on the mobile games themes and show advertisements during the loading screens. 
merry gale
lol
molten vessel
They are never gonna get out of beta xD
vocal shard
they fell into the battle royale pit of having it always say beta so we cant blame them for issues lmao
Are Vrchat facing issues right now? none of my avatars will load
molten vessel
yep it's having issues again
vocal shard
yeah a lot of us are having problems
odd basalt
I dont think has been 3 years with the beta XD
split bone
Vrchat is messing up
vocal shard
I'm not even able to get in, I've been staring at a loading screen for two hours
odd basalt
maybe 3 years of early access
molten vessel
It's been in beta for 3 years
vocal shard
I can get in, but none of my avatars will load
serene plover
DAMMIT! how many times is this going to happen in one month?!
molten vessel
They've never changed it out of beta
odd basalt
but I am not talking about vrchat being beta, but about the beta of the next version
rigid crescent
Calm down lol it's just a minor inconvenience. go watch some youtube or something
odd basalt
2018 version of unity client which is the actual beta branch
molten vessel
Unity doesn't affect whether it's in beta or not. if anything the new unity's fuck up vrc more than it helps it xD
split bone
bruh I just got done making an avatar
rigid crescent
What?...
vocal shard
same here mari
rigid crescent
That's completely wrong lol
vocal shard
Now i can't work on it till they fixed the issues
rigid crescent
Fairly sure the current beta is still a beta because they're waiting on some fixes from Unity.
split bone
Idfk how to weight paint so I said fuck if
rigid crescent
And the update definitely helped more than it hurt last update. Unless you just don't like any of the performance improvements for no real reason
split bone
Bruh how long has it been like this
vocal shard
sss
dawn rune
Oh, When in doubt, Youtube. I can send you a playlist that has an entire guide on making a 3d modle in blender @split bone
odd basalt
yeah but I think you dont get it. There is a new version of vrchat which is in beta stage but not for 3 years. Its the update itself that its in beta stage, I am not talking about the whole game project itself leaving beta stage or early access. The beta version should arrive soon once Unity fix few stuff
split bone
Oh
rigid crescent
Yeah, the actual new version beta is what's we're talking about not the game itself.
molten vessel
Thought you were talking about vrchat as a hole, nvm