vrchat-general-2

[covert blade]

Might be easy to meet, but also very limiting

So only works for people who want the most basic of avatars

[languid beacon]

Strongly disagree. I just really dislike dynamic bones and I prefer animating things by hand

I think it make stuff look way better and not made of ragdoll

[covert blade]

This goes beyond dynamic bones

There isn't much room for any fancy stuff if you want to stay

[languid beacon]

If you have props you can just spawn them with shape keys instead of needing a separate model. Then it can share the same material as well

There’s always a better way to do this that doesn’t make the system hate you

And if verts are a problem you can go up to 70 K and still be good

I haven’t seen an avatar I couldn’t optimize to at least medium without obvious visual changes. As long as I could drag it into blender and fix stuff up

Combine models, textures, materials, remove unnecessary bones, convert props to shape keys, etc

Most changes are indistinguishable and contrary to what most people believe it does all affect framerate When you’re in a room filled with them

[jaunty mirage]

@covert blade @covert blade

[covert blade]

[jaunty mirage]

Hi

[covert blade]

Hi

[jaunty mirage]

Nice too meet ya

[covert blade]

[jaunty mirage]

Can we be friend ?

[covert blade]

[vocal shard]

wtf

[languid beacon]

[jaunty mirage]

Ok

[covert blade]

The only thing that bothers me is that the perf of my Kon avatar is , mostly due to dynamic bones (default settings that came with the avatar) and for all the props I have that are on gesture combinations

My normal avatar is

Silence

[vocal shard]

If I want to report a ripping site, where do I do it? Because I was able to look up myself and my friends, a lot of our models, even private ones, were somehow ripped and put up onto this store.

#moderation-reports

[covert blade]

#moderation-reports

Damnit

[vocal shard]

thank you

[umbral reef]

If its a website then VRC cant/wont do anything as they dont own them

[vocal shard]

so nothing can be done about this?

[covert blade]

And please don't post the website here

[vocal shard]

apologies.

Damn them, if only there was a way to truly keep your work protected. Now those people get to sell it on some virtual black market.

[covert blade]

Shopping Interface coming soon!

[wheat nexus]

whats that

[covert blade]

I doubt that site is for real
Probs just fetched all the avatar preview pictures, put it there, made it look like they have stuff but they really dont

I bet the people paying money will actually get nothing in return

[vocal shard]

Hm, you think it's a scam

[covert blade]

Yup

[vocal shard]

? I certainly hope it's only a hoax. Who would have that much free time? Maybe some kind of auto logger that was recently developed and would save all names + preview images, like you said.

[covert blade]

This is why one should never go to such websites ever
Or they just send you a Unitypackage with scripts that'll break your shit

But to me, this seems very fishy

That being said, the ability to look up what avatars someone has uploaded is interesting

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard If you have the full copyright ownership of the avatar you can send in a claim to the website and if they ignore it the host.

Past that nah as you dont own the thing

[vocal shard]

I see. Thank you, I'll look into sending a copyright claim.

[covert blade]

That is assuming you do own the full copyright ownership

Note: Downloading a model from some site and modifying it does not grant you full copyright ownership

[vocal shard]

Sadly, there's no contact information other than the usernames of those people. Whether vrchat names or what, I don't know.

[covert blade]

And fetching avatar pictures from the API does not violate any copyright

[vocal shard]

That's the thing, I'm betting it's a bluff.

[covert blade]

Yup

[verbal creek]

someone remembers the date for the VMarket ?

[vocal shard]

it's not a bluff

they managed to get some private avatar in there

[covert blade]

They're not even selling anything

Fetching avatar pictures from the API is in no way shape or form proof that they actually have the files from that avatar

[desert stratus]

@verbal creek starts at the end of august and ends at the start of May, so it lasts "officially" for about 2 or so weeks

or more accurately, it takes place during AP exams 0u0

[covert blade]

sigh

[rigid crescent]

thanks for linking it for more people ot see and support, you did a good job

[covert blade]

This website doesn't even sell anything

[verbal creek]

end of august to beginning of may oO

[indigo fern]

everything is 404 and wip rn lmao

[rigid crescent]

I already see a few booth models though, so even if it were selling things, they'd be canned pretty quickly

[vocal shard]

😂

[indigo fern]

yea its because of all those mongs setting booth models to public

[hollow sluice]

That has nothing to do with it

[rigid crescent]

but honestly this is just a bunch of thumbnails lol

[hollow sluice]

Unless you take matters in to your own hands and fill your avatar files with a bunch of malware than you cant stop people from ripping it in less than a minute. These guys arent special

[vocal shard]

?

[rigid crescent]

[indigo fern]

like i said, sites like this been done before and for free
this one aint special

[hollow sluice]

^^

[wheat nexus]

is that legal xd?

[hollow sluice]

A lot of vrchat avatars are not legal

Or they lack propper licensing

[lone scroll]

so

i see people here talking about that site already

did vrc respond to any of that? and you can be sure that this is real, its not just preview pictures

if you think you can just delete your avatar and reupload with a new ID, nope.

VRChat keeps the files on their server even after that 🙂 so avatar stealers can still download it

[indigo fern]

they probably wont respond so theres that

[rigid crescent]

why would they lol

Properly purchase a model or have one made from scratch or else you'll have no proper copyright or course of action you can take afaik

[wheat nexus]

if you get avatars of the site can you get banned?

[rigid crescent]

You can't get avatars from the site anyway lol

[lone scroll]

if you go to their "about" page oyu can see how is running the site

[rigid crescent]

Basically the site's a non-issue outside of them being scammers, but that's a different thing altogether

Buuut VRC players grasp on to the idea that the MMD model they use is "their" model, so we'll likely see a bunch of complaints popping up

[lone scroll]

lmao Mic

[indigo fern]

i mean, if the site ever gets out of WIP and actually functioning, nah you probably wont get banned for getting the avatars

[rigid crescent]

Ye true

[lone scroll]

so if someone models his avatar from scratch, rigs it animates it etc, you probs would still call it random mmd ?

[rigid crescent]

What kind of leap in logic is that?

[indigo fern]

no and you can see mic talk about scratch models literally like 10 minutes

[lone scroll]

than why bring up a statement like that

makes you look like an insensitive ass

[rigid crescent]

Because that's what a majority of that website contains.

[hollow sluice]

vrc doesnt need to respond the creators of the models will take care of it

[indigo fern]

because people love to claim things that arent theirs

[rigid crescent]

MMD kitbashes.

[lone scroll]

Still, if someone puts hours and hours of work into something

you cant just disregard their work, just because its a mmd lmao

[hollow sluice]

the site will fucking perish as soon as it starts selling thigs like all the ones before it

[rigid crescent]

They put hours of work into something that doesn't belong to them and go on to claim that it's theirs, sooo

[hollow sluice]

yes you can. they dont own any of the assets so they have as much legal right to the model as they have

[rigid crescent]

I mean sure, it sucks to have it happen, but there's not much any of them can do.

[lone scroll]

jesus christ, no point in talking to you anymore

[indigo fern]

work is work, yes
we're not downplaying their effort, but the ownership of the assets like wot

[rigid crescent]

The people who do have the legal rights, however, will likely have their affairs taken care of pretty quickly just like with VRChat.

[hollow sluice]

we are talking legal stuff. Emotional value means nothing here

[rigid crescent]

There's a reason why custom from scratch models don't circulate the way rips of already ripped asset MMDs do.

[hollow sluice]

exactly

[rigid crescent]

within VRC that is

[hollow sluice]

rippers are smart enough to not rip from scratch avatars

[rigid crescent]

Usually.

[hollow sluice]

well these ones arent but most of the are

yeah lol

[rigid crescent]

Recently it happened to someone and they ended up basically excommunicated and lost a ton of friends over it all because they wanted a model they couldn't have lol

[hollow sluice]

I mean I imagine stuff like this happening with other games too

[indigo fern]

i mean, when the melody model got ripped and spread around people were getting clapped for it lmao

and they were even complaining too

[hollow sluice]

I know beamng had issues with russian sites stealing vehicle assets and noone did anything about it ever

[rigid crescent]

Whew, those Melody rippers got canned so fast

[devout berry]

Would be funny, to somehow make the model in a way, that it produces a crasher when ripped and re-exported.

[rigid crescent]

Digi doesn't play

[indigo fern]

yea, it was gud stuff

[hollow sluice]

how did melody get ripped?!

[indigo fern]

she plays vrc ofc

[hollow sluice]

@devout berry thats what people do actually.

[rigid crescent]

Did a patreon meetup in VRC not too long ago also

[hollow sluice]

oh she does? se are her streams made in vrc or her own app?

[indigo fern]

it was ripped long before the meets started honestly, like maybe the day of her first stream

no her streams are in its own unity app, she has eye tracking and other stuff

[hollow sluice]

ooh

[indigo fern]

she wouldve gotten beaned if it was within vrc

[hollow sluice]

cool. Honestly good on her for what shes doing

what a smart way to make money

she got lucky though

[indigo fern]

she has like a team working with her through the streams

her hair lights up when 💦 and camera angles change on their own, though she can adjust them

[rigid crescent]

Ye it's a huge project

[indigo fern]

yea, actual production, its super cool

[rigid crescent]

and instant Twitch partner without ever streaming~

[indigo fern]

probably one of the biggest brain plays in the whole vr community

[light trellis]

Does transferring a steam account to Vrchat account not transfer over playtime? Transferring over has made me a visitor again it seems. I just wanted to upload this HEV suit avatar I found on a website

[indigo fern]

it might take a while for rank to update, did you just link them?

[light trellis]

Ye

I was just curious I guess I wasn't googling the right term because I didn't see anything

[vocal shard]

Everytime I want To Join A Game Of VrChat It Won't Let me is it a problem to fix or is my wifi?

can you guys look up in #avatars-2-general chat and maybe someone can tell me where i can find that avatar

[brittle zinc]

Weird question, but does anyone have any worlds they would recommend if I was looking for a cozy log cabin-feel? Preferably one that is snowbound. There's one I am thinking of that I used to like -- a smaller one with a secret wine celler -- but I can't remember the name, and I wanna have one before date night tonight.

[indigo fern]

i think theres one legit called cozy cabin

might be the keakos cozy cabin, not sure

[brittle zinc]

...that sounds really familiar. That might be the one I was thinking of, actually. Lemme try and check

[gilded helm]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_e6a8af63-62b1-414f-aa61-661b89179403 this one also works

[brittle zinc]

Keako's WAS the one I had in my memory, thank you very much!!! And that also looks excellent Jonn, I'll have to scope both out when I get off work. Thank you two very much!

[gilded helm]

I know another map but I don't remember what it was called

You're having a VRC date?

[indigo fern]

😳

[brittle zinc]

Yeah, met a girl online and turned out we both played VRC ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo fern]

oh wait, you met them somewhere other than vrc and then hung out inside, thats neat

[brittle zinc]

Helps with getting to know someone that you met online y'know? Body language is important haha

Only second date but she mentioned she loved snow and cozy stuff so I figure this was a good theme for my turn to choose locale

[indigo fern]

whoa, what a romantic

[brittle zinc]

Hopelessly gay is my only selling point if you ask me

[indigo fern]

🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

heya

[brittle zinc]

Hi nerds

[radiant bronze]

yes

[flint flint]

my vrchat keeps getting error what do i do 😦

[slate verge]

what kind of errors

[solid kettle]

No longer making content for this game considering it just gets stolen now anyways

[mellow quiver]

who do i message about finding a secuitity bug?

[umbral reef]

Depending what 'bug' it is
Report it to there email/tick system #vrchat-support
They can then work on it

[stone oyster]

What’s the best way to find good lobbies?

I’ve been playing for like 2 days and I’ve only found like 1 person who actually likes to talk and isn’t just yelling weird memes or being completely silent

[meager solstice]

@summer timber nice website

[drowsy prism]

@summer timber nice website

[meager solstice]

yeah i like images as well

[devout berry]

Well, that is hard. @stone oyster We "became the new Fortnite" - that means a lot of kindergarteners with VR or on desktop in lobbies. The chance you won't bump into kids is extremely small.

And the game is 13+ FFS! Why are there so many kids?!

[stone oyster]

Yeah what are those parents thinking lmao

But yeah is there a way to find goodish lobbies?

[devout berry]

Best way to have good sessions is to ditch lobbies, get buddies here on Discord and then head into private instance.

[drowsy prism]

🐧

[vagrant cargo]

🐧

[regal furnace]

@summer timber nice public avatars you ripped from the database (lets just ignore its illegal). You really should learn how to make a good website. PhP is really just dogsh*t just like you

[stone oyster]

@devout berry how do you find people on discord lol

[vagrant cargo]

@summer timber nice website!

[regal furnace]

also 90% doesnt even work

[devout berry]

Just talk here, try to help people and ask them to hangout with you. I got my VRChat friends by assisting them. @stone oyster

[regal furnace]

when its only hosting "images", you really should use another name. And PhP is really not good, even for hosting "images"

[stone oyster]

Ok why would you choose php tho

@devout berry thanks!

Like fr it’s so bad

[vagrant cargo]

have you heard of square space @summer timber

[stone oyster]

Lmao

Use like rust or go or python or c++ or node or anything else that isn’t php

[vagrant cargo]

better websites

[stone oyster]

Rust is the best though lmao

[regal furnace]

also, @summer timber , i dont really care about what you host on this site, i only know most stuff on there is made from scratch and if you really plan on selling a modded client which allows you to clone these avatars, shit is about to get real

[stone oyster]

They’re making a modded client?

That’s dumb af

[regal furnace]

the name, the client area, you really think i am that stupid?

i play vrc for quite some time now, and I know when someone lies

why would you call it that way then?

to show cat pictures?

thats literally the dumbest excuse i have ever heared

[drowsy prism]

🦠

[vagrant cargo]

🐧

[meager solstice]

@odd lava u see his nice website?

[bright widget]

not sure about that chief

[regal furnace]

everyone who uses their brain will think of that

@summer timber and now you think you won by ignoring me?

[summer terrace]

oh cool

I'll just delete that then

[regal furnace]

you cannot run away forever

[vocal shard]

don't be toxic

hey guys

hey guys i have a serious question. i cant find a single avatar thats african american. im black and would like to be black in game as well anyone know any avatars?

[thorn fern]

Hum... no, but you could go portal hopping...?

[vocal shard]

christ this discord is huge

portal hopping?

[thorn fern]

Or perhaps look up a black model?

[vocal shard]

i have cant find anything

[thorn fern]

(I call it portal hopping because you basically traverse to new avatar worlds by entering portals.)

[vocal shard]

time to make one

i wish i knew how.

bro how yall out here just whipping them up

do you guys use blender or sum shit

[uncut trail]

So there website selling my models (creator doesn't play/make models anymore)

[vocal shard]

Most avatars are using premade parts from mmd models. So for a majority, their avatars are simple to make

[bright widget]

so? does it make it right to sell behind creators back?

[vocal shard]

that's not he point of this conversation xd

we didn't even mention selling anything

also it's just a pic hosting website (for now)

[indigo fern]

he wasnt even talking about that either lmao, he was talking to the guy asking about blender

[odd lava]

people who use meshes created by others have no ownership right whatsoever

[vocal shard]

people that share the models on DA don't have the rights either

[odd lava]

yeah obviously

[vocal shard]

and guess what, nothing ever happened

no consequences = people that don't care about it

[indigo fern]

the funniest things on DA you can read is when they say dont even take inspiration from my model

[bright widget]

lol

[light pivot]

the deviant art thought police

gonna getcha

[indigo fern]

lmao

[vocal shard]

😔

[indigo fern]

thought patrol

[desert stratus]

most of those users have TDA + Sims kitbashes so it's even better

[indigo fern]

and many many outfits from mmos

no paul

[vocal shard]

you better stop, paul

[light pivot]

the man is typing an essay

[indigo fern]

he probably dropped sammich on keyboard and is cleaning it up

i knew it

oop still some crumbs

[vocal shard]

don't waste the sammich

[ruby needle]

I...i am
But for real tho, can we please keep this topic out of this channel. Go to #vrchat-general-1 where it's been going on for quite a while now.

[vocal shard]

no

[indigo fern]

we were until you dropped your sammich

[ruby needle]

Sandwich

[indigo fern]

[broken plover]

I thought you dropped your Schnitzel

[light pivot]

now i want a sandwich

thanks guys

[broken plover]

now I want a schnitzel

thanks me

[atomic topaz]

@vocal shard I know is maybe too late but, to make a personal avatar you can use vroid, is extremely easy to use and pretty intuitive

also on another note, apparently there is a new site that is stealing avatars and asking ransoms? I saw it on twitter

[vocal shard]

okay

[stone oyster]

Is vrchat being weird? Somebody just said they sent me a friend request but nothing has come up

[vocal shard]

@atomic topaz thx

[snow wadi]

Unfortunately...it isn't.

[stone oyster]

Lmao

[snow wadi]

But if you didn't get it yet, just wait a few.

Sometimes is just takes a bit.

[stone oyster]

Ah thanks

[finite kraken]

One day at work I found one of my 30 year old co worker likes watching anime and I told him have you seen the promised neverland and he was like no and I got him to binge the whole season and he cried

[regal furnace]

Promised Neverlands was really good

definetly one of my favourites

[last dove]

are the north american/canadian servers down?

friend cant login

[stone oyster]

Ah neat they finally showed up

[nocturne ibex]

Can I just bring to the attention of the devs that there is literally a site that looks like an asset ripper's paradise? it's already grabbing images and metadata from the game servers.

[vocal shard]

🗿

[stone oyster]

I feel kinda bad lol, somebody else told me I should join their Minecraft server and that they’d wait for me to join so and I sent them a friend request and I completely forgot the name of the server and they haven’t accepted

[stray leaf]

Properly purchase a model or have one made from scratch or else you'll have no proper copyright or course of action you can take afaik
@rigid crescent Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Even @thick notch's ZONE-tron Mini made by @iron mortar is up on that site.

[nocturne ibex]

Even still this should not be happening

[umbral reef]

Then he can send a dmca to take his models down and if they ignore it complain to the providers of that website to shut it down 😄

[stone oyster]

How do you pick a good avatar?

[iron mortar]

already done

[warm crystal]

Find something with your arm span for a start @stone oyster

that has been an issue for my self

[upbeat patio]

gottta love seeing my avatars one the model ripper site

[regal furnace]

+1

[karmic pasture]

hello all. I'm fairly new to VR Chat, and thought I'd try it out to gain some friends and possibly practice Japanese (I'm studying it in college).
Only problem is, I get very nervous trying to talk to people so I thought I'd try to get over my anxiety by talking to people here first.

[thorn fern]

Aw, hi!

[vocal shard]

hi

[regal furnace]

dont worry about talking, i am not talking for 2 years now

[thorn fern]

Don't worry, people are nice in game.
usually-

[sharp saddle]

Mute.

[vocal shard]

🤢

[thorn fern]

But... izuna... don't you need to chat?

[regal furnace]

wut?

[karmic pasture]

how do you communicate in-game without talking?

[thorn fern]

I don't know...

[regal furnace]

hand gestures, pens or discord chat

[thorn fern]

Emotes.... expressions...

Play a game of sharades....

[regal furnace]

i got pretty good at communicating via emotes/hand gestures

[thorn fern]

I don't have hands.

[regal furnace]

and now I am stuck at desktop

[karmic pasture]

ahh... but I don't actually have a VR setup

I'm on desktop as well

[sharp saddle]

Jumping and nodding/shaking head. :P

[regal furnace]

then you only have yes and no

[vocal shard]

or just talk, that usually helps with communication

[woven stone]

use a cute avatar and just wait infront of a mirror, people will pat you, just start spinning and nodding and jumping.
Pretty much like a cat / dog behaves

[broken plover]

my cat bites me :/

[vocal shard]

bite it back

[delicate perch]

sooo has anyone heard of the ripper site?

[broken plover]

no its too cute

[vocal shard]

everyone maxwell

there was a convo about it in all 3 general channels

[delicate perch]

and the 1000s of private/public avatars it has

[broken plover]

no never heard of that site. It also wasnt mentioned multiple times already starting alot of conversations about that

[regal furnace]

yeah, the guy already got kicked from the server (and probably has some alts on here too) and its pretty known by now

[vocal shard]

yes we know, please don't talk about it again

[delicate perch]

just seems they went to a lot of work for nothing

[thorn fern]

Went through alot of work to get sued.

[delicate perch]

maybe they like to be sued?

[shy nest]

Tupper models and every vrchat dev models are all on that ripped store site.

I've contacted vrchat team via email, but probably nothing will happen.

[ruby needle]

The vrchat team it self can not really just go and take down a webpage.

[pseudo basalt]

Not with that attitude

[regal furnace]

the security really needs to improve

[shy nest]

You know if more and more people finds that website and see their hard work on there, will be a big issue for vrchat right? @ruby needle

[vocal shard]

no it's fine

[thorn fern]

[vocal shard]

no it wont

except for fully custom made models

[thorn fern]

It's gonna start a riot.

[vocal shard]

all the franksteined models are not even allowed in the first place

it's not their problem

[thorn fern]

Mhmm....

[shy nest]

I mean the game is going to crap anyways with all the mod clients and now this website for selling ripped models lol

oh well i guess :L

[vocal shard]

ah yes

I was waiting for it

[thorn fern]

[ruby needle]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 12365 users in VRChat currently

[vocal shard]

dead game anyway ami right

[thorn fern]

Oh my.

[regal furnace]

twice as much as a year ago

[ruby needle]

someone missed the 4 in that count

[vocal shard]

@ruby needle please use the appropriate channels #bottalk

[pseudo basalt]

Thanks for speaking up for us svel

[vocal shard]

ain't gonna let fpaul get away with it

[pseudo basalt]

🙏

[thorn fern]

Ooooh~

[digital marten]

What’s the VRChat world called where people can learn ASL?

I’d check but I don’t have access to my computer right now

[stray leaf]

What’s the VRChat world called where people can learn ASL?
@digital marten https://www.vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_2147b034-c6e9-4919-b74a-a0c81b596d95

Made by @runic obsidian

[digital marten]

Thank you so much~!

[trail lintel]

anyone had any luck buying anything from Booth lately?

[cinder dock]

WHy is twitter blowing up about this program.

[sharp saddle]

What program?

[cinder dock]

VRchat

[grand zealot]

what

[rare dust]

Wait can people already download the model from that website or is it just showing the preview picture atm?

[vocal shard]

preview pic

[rare dust]

And I’m assuming it’ll soon progress to a literal redistribution website :/

They say they’ll take down a model if you made it from scratch but part of me doubts that

[vocal shard]

you need to pay for that.

[grand zealot]

they don't have that many models

[wild hollow]

im getting an error everytime i start vr chat and i don't know how to fix it does anyone know what i should od?

[rare dust]

You need to pay for them to take an avatar down?

[grand zealot]

they're only displaying images hooked up from an api

you contact them and they'll rip it

I'm not too worried, either the authors of that site will be sued, or it'll end up being shut down.
https://tucowsdomains.com/abuse-form/copyright/

report them

[compact river]

Wonder who the domains name is registered to

[grand zealot]

no fuckin clue

[vocal shard]

not he first time a website like that appeared

not the last time either.

[rare dust]

Are they being truthful when they say they’ll remove a from-scratch avatar?

My vket models are on there :/

[grand zealot]

they ransom you

[vocal shard]

it's ripped avatar that are being sold, i'll let you guess

[grand zealot]

If you want an avatar removed

you have to pay depending on how popular you are, I believe

[cinder dock]

What is the name of said site?

[grand zealot]

not sharing it

nobody here should either

gives it more recognition

[cinder dock]

DM it to me

[vocal shard]

no

[rare dust]

How long you think the website will last?

[grand zealot]

few weeks

but who knows

[cinder dock]

Lol

The bot came after me.

[vocal shard]

don't mention that website

[cinder dock]

Welp let me get outta here.

[rare dust]

It’s kinda hard not to considering all of my private models are o there

[vocal shard]

nobody cares

[grand zealot]

think of it this way

[vocal shard]

they are so many models there, nobody will care about most of those

[grand zealot]

do you actually think people are going to search up your name and want your models specifically?

to a point where they're willing to pay for it?

[cinder dock]

I no longer play vrchat anyway due to how much drama and stupidity arises from the community.

[grand zealot]

it's unlikely, unless you have someone who's absolutely obsessed with you

[rare dust]

Yes, I do.

[vocal shard]

you are very naïve then

[rare dust]

No, I make a lot of models that a lot of people want?

[digital marten]

Wait, does VRChat really have so much drama now?

[grand zealot]

only people who're popular or well known are going to be targeted heavily from this site

[rare dust]

Is that that hard to believe?

[vocal shard]

yes

[grand zealot]

reupload your models under different IDs

@rare dust

[rare dust]

Well, can’t really convince you if you won’t believe anything I’m saying

Thanks for the actual advice Felix. More helpful than some people around here lol

[grand zealot]

as I said, they're displaying images tied from an api

[vocal shard]

it doesn't help uploading to another ID

[grand zealot]

It's the best that can be done for now

only a temporary solution

[vocal shard]

that's the current big issue with the private avatars

even if you change the id, the original avatar will still be there

[digital marten]

Is it Booth that’s being untrustworthy in this situation then?

Because I was about to create an account since I’m intrigued on how much more items can be used to include within a custom room.

[grand zealot]

they don't have the models themselves

[vocal shard]

If you don't want your model to be ripped, don't upload it to vrchat, that's the safest way

[rare dust]

If it’s tied to an API they can’t rip an avatar that doesn’t exist unless they’ve already ripped tens of thousands of avatars

So yes, changing the ID should work

[vocal shard]

not in this case

[umbral reef]

And you think they cant just call the api again to do the exact same thing?

[digital marten]

What if I uploaded my avatar to VRChat yet I don’t want it to be stolen?

I’ve already checked the box that won’t let others copy my avatar, and my avatar is in private anyway

[grand zealot]

nobody has said that oclac

[digital marten]

Like, I don’t want to pay over £300 just to get my avatar stolen

[pseudo basalt]

The second you step into a world with someone they have it cached and can rip it

[obsidian forge]

fun fact if you own an avatar made from scrach i would be happy for it to be there cuz then you can copystrick them

[vocal shard]

if you upload your model to vrchat, they you already take a risk of getting yoinked

and again, you can't stop that

[rare dust]

That’s what I was thinkin JG

[digital marten]

Then, how can I not let anyone take my avatar while using it at the same time?

[rare dust]

Just don’t know the steps behind al other legal shit

[digital marten]

I want to appear as myself but I don’t want people stealing my identity

[pseudo basalt]

They can't take it but they can rip and reupload it

[rare dust]

But it’s shown that they don’t instantly rip everything

[pseudo basalt]

That said, you're probably not that important for people to want to do that in the first place

[digital marten]

Well, I’m happy with that at least

Because I’d hate for someone to take my identity like that

[vocal shard]

some models there are older than a year

and some of them are really recent

so they collected them for quite some time

[rare dust]

What?

[digital marten]

I think that’s one of the benefits for not being popular

Or not having many friends

[pseudo basalt]

people clearly have nothing to do with their itchy dev fingers

goes to show how long this damn update is taking

[digital marten]

With if you do into empty/private worlds? Can people steal then?

[vocal shard]

yes

[odd blaze]

easy as an avatar

[vocal shard]

if anyone see your in that model, it's downloaded on their PC and they can rip it from that

[lyric dune]

they have some games assets like from the Halo games which to sell those is a direct violation of 343 and microsofts TOS

[digital marten]

So...just don’t play VRChat in general then? Or stay in your own world?

[vocal shard]

or don't use a model that you never ever want to be stolen

[pseudo basalt]

no, just don't worry about it

accept that it could happen but probably won't unless your avatar is something everyone wants

[vocal shard]

those yoinker will want to steal more if you show that you actually care

[grand zealot]

even without this site, the likelihood of you coming across someone who wants your model, and rips your model, is the same as someone who'd try and buy your model off from this site.

doesn't matter. wait it out.

[digital marten]

God, that’s just really crazy though.

Like, I don’t want my identity to be stolen yet the only to prevent is just by not even playing?

[pseudo basalt]

it takes effort to rip models

[obsidian forge]

as if

[vocal shard]

not anymore pumkin.

[rare dust]

They don’t get your SSN from the game, just your avatar lol

[pseudo basalt]

it's not hard but it's still some effort

[digital marten]

I really do hate people who do that; they’re literally the same as people who steal art and claim it as their own

[vocal shard]

can yoink a model in 5 minutes now unfortunately

[digital marten]

But it’s actually kinda worse

[pseudo basalt]

5 minutes is also what it takes to import an mmd

[umbral reef]

@pseudo basalt Its by now with some tools easier to rip and reupload then to upload something from deviant art

[obsidian forge]

Pumkin do you make avatars?

[pseudo basalt]

yes

[digital marten]

Is there no way to make your own avatar un stealable?

[obsidian forge]

how much time you spend on them?

[pseudo basalt]

depends

hours to days

[thorn fern]

Yeah, you sue them, lol.

[obsidian forge]

so whats easyer making an avatar or editing it or taking 5 mins and steal someone elses?

[pseudo basalt]

finding a public avatar and using that

[obsidian forge]

thats were the problem begin its not just public ones

[pseudo basalt]

is the fastest

[vocal shard]

no fluffy

not anymore

and not by a "legit" way

[digital marten]

So, what now then? Is there no point playing VRChat anyone if it’s not safe?

[vocal shard]

you can still play

[digital marten]

There’s literally hackers on there

[pseudo basalt]

stop fear mongering

[umbral reef]

Fluffy how long have you been playing the game?

[vocal shard]

calm down, it's just a game
not a real life representation
no one is going to steal your identity and grab your bank account

[thorn fern]

I met someone that could teleport and fly.

[rare dust]

That’s definitely not the case, but my motivation to play the game has definitely taken a hit again

[thorn fern]

They were nice.

[inland jay]

Like any online game there are people who will try and ruin your fun. It is your decision on how you react to it.

[digital marten]

Sorry. And I have been playing for nearly a year, but only in private worlds with known friends

[pseudo basalt]

Build a portfolio and sell your 3d models

[vocal shard]

i've been playing for 4 years and i'm mostly in publics

never got my models stolen

[grand zealot]

^

[umbral reef]

Then even way before you started playing people have been doing this.
Its honestly not something to worry about for 99% of all content creators

[vocal shard]

people don't care as much as you think

[grand zealot]

same here, but I don't go into publics much

[vocal shard]

most script kiddies that use stolen models are using very specific ones

[pseudo basalt]

I had mine once but it didn't matter because they didn't need it

[sour sandal]

just means nobody wants them, as you're not a "known" not like naddition's model, or the lexidoll nanachis

[vocal shard]

typical models with 300k polys
rap music
shitty rimlight shader

and usually some sort of crash bullshit on it

[odd blaze]

had 9? of mine stolen infront of me when that was a thing, but eeh have fun with that my name is on the hat of it

[pseudo basalt]

Most people wouldn't care but if you react to it they'll mess with you

[umbral reef]

Ripped or stolen
Did they just force clone it and stuff or take the files.
Big difference in the end

[digital marten]

Alrighty. I guess I’ll try and not worry too much about it then

[pseudo basalt]

It's not that big of a deal

[digital marten]

It’s just really surprising to me that people can do that

And so easily too

[vocal shard]

use your precious models with friend that you trust in private and a generic model in publics

[pseudo basalt]

but you can't stop it because of how 3d rendering works

[vocal shard]

you'll be fine this way

[pseudo basalt]

you can rip anything that's loaded

[plain trail]

i mean yeah nobodies trying to take a random persons model lol. The big people effected are the streamers and larger creators who are getting their models basically held for ransom

[pseudo basalt]

if they prevent ripping asset bundles

[vocal shard]

99% of the avatars on that website are set to public anyway 🤷‍♂️

[grand zealot]

just reupload under a different id, turn off future proofing, and hope for the best. Literally nothing can be done about ripping models at this point, it's something everyone has to deal with if they wish to continue making content for this fucked game.

^

[thorn fern]

Isn't that why steamers never show their menu?

[plain trail]

pkus the sentiment of "if you dont want the models stolen then dont go into publics" defeats the entire purpose of the game itself lmao

[grand zealot]

Most of the models that have been shown by me are models I made public

[sour sandal]

anything in the cloud supposedly can be ripped, it's basically the same things used when people rip levels and avatars from other games and port them into vrchat

[grand zealot]

if not, all of them

[obsidian forge]

can't wait for them to start ripping worlds as world creators will go ham on it and so do i ^^

[digital marten]

I thought if I do go into empty worlds or even private worlds the avatar used can be still stolen?

[vocal shard]

ripping world is already possible and already been done xd

[digital marten]

Seems like no matter what people will always try and find a way to steal

[plain trail]

i mean just because its been possible for something to get stolen previously doesnt make it okay when it happens

[obsidian forge]

yeah but the thing is you have alot more rights for an world then for an avatar made out of davianart stuff

[lone thicket]

Anyone looking at that website, I have a feeling they don't have any of the assets in question

its a scam to scare creators into paying up

[grand zealot]

not everyone makes their shit out of deviantart assets lmao.\

[digital marten]

Unless it’s by design

[obsidian forge]

if you don't make shit out of devainart then you gucci

[undone jasper]

It's a ransom site

[sour sandal]

not so, you can claim "pixel perfect" recreation all you want but it still breaches copyright and intellectual property

[obsidian forge]

you can either copystrick them

[lone thicket]

all the stuff on the site is images and text scraped from vrc's api

[obsidian forge]

or tell them to take it down before you do that

[vocal shard]

@lone thicket correct. They just have the avatar pictures from the API. Not the actual files to download

[grand zealot]

this is what I've been saying @lone thicket

this is none other than a ransom site

and giving it more recognition than it should isn't helping

[lone thicket]

:dab: I would send an abuse email to the domain host but sounds like vrc is doing something about it already?

[grand zealot]

https://tucowsdomains.com/abuse-form/copyright/

[vocal shard]

for now
it's still WIP so we'll see if something comes out of it ( ||Nothing will happen|| )

[grand zealot]

report the domain

[digital marten]

Is it a petition?

[lone thicket]

oh they have a public report page, will do

[thorn fern]

Doesn't the ripping website say that it will rip worlds later...?

[grand zealot]

spread that link around, get as many people to report it as you can

yes, aswell as animations

[vocal shard]

they can say anything they want

[digital marten]

Also, is it possible for VRChat to fix this problem? Or is it even possible? And will they even care?

[vocal shard]

until they actually do it and post proof, it's just bullshit

[grand zealot]

nope

[thorn fern]

W a r.

[vocal shard]

fixing model ripping, fluffy ? no, it's impossible to fix

[broken plover]

I can also say „imma rob a bank tomorrow“ if I actually do it is a different story

[digital marten]

Damn. So, it’s kinda stuck like this then?

[grand zealot]

https://twitter.com/itsBl4cky/status/1236335258800398339

[tepid wren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempt

if it gets to a point where they actually do more than link to VRC images

that'd be enough for reports

right now it makes no sense to report - they aint doing anything yet

[vocal shard]

nothing will happen.

[thorn fern]

Give him like, a week or a month.

[vocal shard]

This is not the first website like that

@grand zealot wow. Straight proof of a ransom scam. And people are falling for it

[tepid wren]

literally only linking thumbnail pictures and crawling API by model author

[grand zealot]

yuuup

Welcome to VRChat, lmao

[digital marten]

Also, what will the tucowsdomains website that Felix shares can do? Is it like a form or petition to help stop avatars from being stolen?

[rare dust]

Reports the website domain

[digital marten]

I don’t think I can really report the website if I don’t know the name of it ^^’

I could still spread word of what’s going on though

[vocal shard]

please don't

we don't need misinformed people to start panicking

[digital marten]

Alrighty, I won’t say anything then

[lone thicket]

If people report the domain, that'll take them down for a while at the very least

they could rehost on another domain, but it will be a lot harder as domain abuse is shared amongst domain providers

since literally everyone on VRchat has work that is being hosted without permission, just the images alone, you can go ahead and submit a report if you want

I could seem them trying to sidestep as the images are all being linked from vrchats servers

they aren't even hosting them

god thats smart, the cost of running this is nothing

[vocal shard]

can't report them since they didn't do anything wrong for now

they just take the pictures from the API, anyone can do that

[polar jasper]

Very few on here have any strong legal ground on what they may or may not be doing on this site. Only thing it looks like right now is that they are trying to scam people out of money. Which apparently is happening 🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

since it's more or less a public info

[lone thicket]

https://twitter.com/rebel_vr/status/1236389075378221059?s=21

this is illegal and they are using that domain as part of a larger scam

link that in the report

its domain abuse flat out

[crimson pier]

ono

[polar jasper]

It is yeah. Though, nothing illegal done unless someone pays.

[vocal shard]

attempt at scamming is still illegal

[karmic relic]

Yo found a website that has a bunch of ripped avatars (that's in early access so you can look and not purchase), where does one report this.

[vocal shard]

#moderation-reports

[karmic relic]

aight thanks

[polar jasper]

They already know about it

[stoic halo]

I wanna know how they ripped these models.

[vocal shard]

They didn't

[stoic halo]

They have 3 models i made 3 years ago i havent used since then lol

or atleast have the icons and names

[vocal shard]

they don't have anything until proven otherwise

[worthy tapir]

At the end of the day, if you're really paranoid just clear your cache and wear only public models until this is resolved

[karmic relic]

ye apparently they got some of my stuff (2 which are public) but yeah they got them but you can't do anything but look.

[inland jay]

Are they listed as public?

[vocal shard]

taking pictures from the APi doesn't prove anything

[stoic halo]

yeah im not thinking they ripped anything

because one of the models i literally wore once, in a private world... 3 years ago.

[worthy tapir]

It's more than likely just ripping pics and names/info, not the actual files.

[vocal shard]

Very likely a ransom scam more than anything

[polar jasper]

Right now it just looks like a scam front. Nothing more.

[vocal shard]

And not actually having the files

[karmic relic]

2 are public then some are private (which i haven't worn in like a year)

o

[polar jasper]

If it's been public at any point they were scanning the api, it's there

[stoic halo]

theyre not public

like ever.

[worthy tapir]

the info is still stored by VRchat

and they're likely accessing that information

[karmic relic]

ye some are there that have never been public

[polar jasper]

If you've used them and they have been active on your account, the image will be visible.

[worthy tapir]

If it's uploaded to VRC, it's in VRchats cloud or wherever they store things. They can likely rip this info from cached information as well.,

[vocal shard]

Avatars made prior to mid 2018 were all public back then

and any pictures can be taken from the api

even if you use a Private avatar, it will still show a thumbnail of it

[worthy tapir]

It's very easy to make this look real, it just took some malicious people to realize how easy it is to make a large community run around like chickens with their head off

[vocal shard]

the thumbnail is public no matter what and that's what they are using on their website

that's how you can see a "private" avatar there

it's just the thumbnail preview and nothing more

[stone oyster]

Is there a way to edit the official models?

I’d love to mess around with effects and learn how the avatar making stuff works but I really don’t enjoy 3D modeling

[late adder]

There’s one included in the SDK, but idk if you’ll get banned for ripping the official ones as it’d fall under reverse engineering the game.

[inland jay]

@stone oyster some legacy models like the ybot are publicly available.

Moxamo for the ybot.

[safe mango]

ybot is a good one to start on

[inland jay]

And you can also get stuff on the unity asset store.

[late adder]

Yeah, some of these models come from programs like Mixamo and Morph3D (or whatever it’s called)

[safe mango]

ybot master race

[blissful timber]

hello i need a help here my worlds are taking longer than expected to load and i am not managing to change the avatar or enter a world "if you want to see what is happening I can send a video"

[storm solstice]

oh hey is it still talking about those

just saying

but for the ripper thing

their avatars are direct discord ID links

on the about us

ask this guy questions @reef shell

[untold fiber]

Your adopted

[storm solstice]

and note using random art off the internet on a page where you intend to sell stuffs is also illegal so if you guys want to look into that without even getting to the issue that is stealing avatrs

[hollow sluice]

@blissful timber you need help reading the rules

[languid beacon]

Lol, I don't think there's a single VR headset that's in stock right now.

except Oculus Go

[vocal shard]

A bunch of Vive Cosmos I think

[languid beacon]

Well, I don't know the answer, but I would suspect not as sterio audio has no meaning in a game with 3d positional audio

so even if it was broadcast it wouldn't be used

Your voice comes from I believe, the avatar's view position

[odd blaze]

vive cosmos had a -30% sale here, it didnt sell well , its either Rift S or Index people want (index isnt really availible here and its like 1500$ so import gonna cost you)

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard You do hear people in VRC in stereo, but probably not in the way you're describing.
Simple answer: No

Longer answer:
Everyone's audio is a single channel stream (even if they're fancy and do have stereo microphones) and in VRC itself that comes out, as has been said, a single point, but is run through spatialization software which does split it into stereo channels and does further processing on those channels to give it the properties that make the human brain experience the sound coming from a specific direction.

[hollow breach]

Gimmie finger tracking 😤

But I need more ram and better graphics card before I upgrade my VR ;;

[ruby burrow]

The problem with the Cosmos is a two punch combo.

1. It's over priced.
2. It doesn't really work. >_>

If I had to choose between a Rift-S for $400, or a Cosmos for $300, I'd probably choose the Rift.

Battery life and tracking reliability are kind of non negotiable.

[finite kraken]

we should have a report for users instead of having to take pictures of them

[sharp trout]

@odd blaze isn’t the index just 1089€?

I haven’t heard of any weird import fees to where we both live, plus I read a little bit online which may suggest valve sends it from another country within europe to you/me. If I am wrong please correct me because I was thinking of buying one to replace my worn Rift. @ me if you respond cuz I’m getting off

[obtuse echo]

Lul my avatars are in ripstore I'm glad someone takes the time to create a store with the avatars that he has not stolen technically, the download will probably be direct from the vrchat server but in case it is, save my avatar and upload it broken

[odd blaze]

old avatars uuid broken so vrchat think its public ,just replace it with a box, then detach the blueprint, reupload,

delete the old avatar it will be gone from that

@sharp trout its probably cheaper import from sweden i looked at i from us i guess so price went sky high

[sharp trout]

So.. You can choose where it ships from?

[odd blaze]

ah i dont know ,got few swedish friends i could pick it up from, store only one i can think of is komplett . se but its likely only order from steam to sweden not in stores? havnt really done much rsearch since i got a small room i dont want lighthouses

< rift s/ wmr

[chilly current]

is anyone of vrchat gonna deal with that website in any way?

[hollow sluice]

Probably not

Its gonna get clapped by booth creators if they do actually start selling the models and if not than they will just get clapped for being retarded and not knowing how to run a site

[pliant harness]

basically

[oblique igloo]

[rough flax]

question, current version of vrchat unity?

[meager solstice]

2017.4.28f1

[wind gull]

Why not they update to 2018

[proven carbon]

They will

[broken plover]

they are, but the update isnt out yet

[wind gull]

ohhh

[proven carbon]

They are waiting... idk what for though

[wind gull]

Thx

[proven carbon]

Some bug to be fixed I think.

it's not funny

[wind gull]

Uhh okay?

Sometimes smiling faces are defined in many different circumstances.

But we all know that smiling faces are not offensive in 96% above environments.

Because they represents humans' friendly facial expressions.

I hope I wasn't offensive and I send my apologies sorry.

[proven carbon]

Then why not a regular smiley... like 🙂

[wind gull]

Because is more enthusiastic. :))

[proven carbon]

then do this this one:

It's mouth is open so it's better.

[gentle pine]

Has a statement been made about "ripper-store"?

I am sure people have bought it up here already, but I want these guys gone.

[vocal shard]

No official statement, but they're aware

[gentle pine]

Many thank @vocal shard
Some friends of mine have their personal avatars up there, on sale, right now.

These guys deserve whatever is coming to them and more.

[vocal shard]

Yeah. I hope it gets sorted soon.

[muted socket]

@sly wing

[keen trench]

Has anyone had any issues with steam vr not initializing my trackers?

One of my tracker keeps timing out

[dire hearth]

what's ripper-store?

oh they steal avatars

[proven carbon]

Some random place stealing avatars and other assets from vrchat.

[rare dust]

Well, they don’t steal them yet. They just promising that they will. Currently they only have info up that could easily be gotten from an API tool. There’s a good chance that this is just a ransom scam because they’re charging people who request to have their stuff taken down

[proper lynx]

i've got avatars on there that haven't been used in like a year and they're not even public so that's plausible

[rare dust]

What’s not plausible? Selling any avatar?

[restive needle]

Some of my private avatars was there also. I just deleted those avatars and reuploaded with diffirent ID to remove images from that site. Names are still listed, but I don't mind..

[odd blaze]

old avatars is broken the sdk shows them as public, upload a cube to same uuid, then delete the avatar after it wont show anymore , its a old bug, reupload to a new uuid , all they have are public + old broken uuid's

[sharp saddle]

Is it just me or did someone mess with the BGM in the Pug?

[nocturne bear]

Does anyone know where I can find good laying down avatars?

[restive needle]

I also have noticed that on that site, there are some quite new avatars from my friends, but on my case, my newest avatar was my halloween avatar, so quite old. I have used another avatars after that and even on public worlds, but those are not listed.

[proper lynx]

i didn't say not plausable inevanable

[rare dust]

Oh lol, my bad

[bronze adder]

Hello

[lunar falcon]

Bruh you reminded me to do my duo lingo lesson thx

Is my family safe now

69 day streak 👁

[broken plover]

make it a 420 day streak and youre safe

[lunar falcon]

Bet

351 days left for that

[bronze adder]

Hello?!

[vocal shard]

i cannot open my vr

my vr chat

waz going on?

[lunar falcon]

Restart your quest

Or pc whatever you’re on

[vocal shard]

question, my upload is really slow for uploading avatars, and I have no idea why. I can upload a generic box and it still takes forever to upload. any fix?

[near saffron]

Maybe u have future proofing on?

[covert blade]

What do speed tests say?

[vocal shard]

I get 10 Mb Upload.

Again, it'll do it for even a simple cube.

This problem started recently after I reformatted my computer about a month ago.

fixed it, it was the future proofing.

odd.

[covert blade]

Future proofing doesn't do anything anyways

[pseudo basalt]

It does, but nothing good

Why it's still there and enabled by default is beyond me, when it takes one tiny change to disable it by default

[covert blade]

Common phenomenon with game developers seemingly being unable to make minor changes within reasonable time

[sharp saddle]

Doo doo do-do-do.

[covert blade]

And it is just as common for modders to quickly come and fix those issues while the devs take a really long time to (partially) implement it themselves, if at all

[pseudo basalt]

Literally just set the default value to false or comment out the one line of ui that the checkbox uses

It's a one second fix unless their code is complete spaghetti

It's not gonna get rid of the feature, but it'll hide it at least

[covert blade]

It's just as easy to make a lil .bat file that allows you to launch test builds of your world in desktop mode / give you the choice whether you want to launch the game in VR or desktop mode

Let's see how many years it'll take before we have an official solution to that problem

[pseudo basalt]

I remember complaining about a pretty simple thing in dirty bomb

and was told that they'll get to it when they get to it basically

regardless of how small and easy a fix is, can't get go past the plan

and now the game is dead because of lots of small annoyances adding up

[covert blade]

fun

[pseudo basalt]

I also complained about objective markers being opaque and covering enemies

The same issue overwatch had, which they fixed a few years later

I was told
"Thanks for the post. The Objective Markers getting in the way are currently bugged and will receive attention once their priority turn comes :)"

Despite a different game mode having transparent markers already

When you constantly put up with small annoyances you start kinda losing faith

I don't blame people who mod their game to fix issues at all

The ux needs work in general but there's no reason to bunch it all up into a big update and be annoyed until it

Camera buttons still really hard to use, when maps have used UI buttons that are really easy to press for ages

[covert blade]

I mean, look at Bethesda made games
Some would argue that those games are practically worthless without the strong modding community that not only developers new content for the game, but also fixes many parts of the game or redesigns certain features to be more useful and user friendly

[pseudo basalt]

Yeah and fallout 76 is so bad because can't fix it the same way they can fix a single player one

[covert blade]

And the same thing with modders fixing the game and adding new features that improve functionality happens with VRChat too
Except everyone calls it "clients" (which is the wrong term to begin with), it's against the ToS (kind of understandable) and everyone seems to believe that modding the game is bad and makes you untrustworthy

Reminds me of when modding GTA V was called illegal by people when Rockstar Games tried to ban modding completely, only to later revert that back and allow it again
It's like no one has ever played Skyrim before, a game that sees incredibly improvements through modding

(Or maybe they all played it on Console idfk)

[pseudo basalt]

Malicious people giving others a bad name, as usual

[covert blade]

As has been the case numerous times before, yeah

And there's more than one example that I could name relating to this community in particular as well

Like people from certain groups being judged simply based on their avatar and blocked before any interaction even happened, or the various cases of malicious use of the API, as been seen by the spammed friend requests or the website that pulled a large portion of the avatar thumbnails, sending everyone into a blind panic

I dunno maybe I'm just retarded for being so incredibly unimpressed by most of that stuff

[worldly swan]

I got kicked from a world recently “for being a crashed” even though:
I’m on a quest
I’ve seen one of the people in that world using that avatar before now
It was purely bad timing I joined and then someone used a crash avatar shortly after, if it was me I’d have crashed when I joined surely

[covert blade]

Well, even if you are on Quest, you could've still had a crasher avatar

Remember that the avatar visible on Quest and the one visible on PC can be entirely different

[worldly swan]

Well yeah but I doubt I could crash a pc user with it without crashing myself

[covert blade]

You could

[worldly swan]

Hmm that’s true

[covert blade]

I could upload a square as PC avatar and make it a sphere on Quest

Probably vice versa for optimization but ya get my point

But probs didn't check your avatar stats and didn't want to take any chances

I dont think I've ever been kicked from any world ever

[icy ravine]

Where is the best place I could vent to someone? (In VRChat)

[vocal shard]

in the DMs of a friend

[icy ravine]

When you don't have someone that gives a shit?

So you go to a virtual world?

[vocal shard]

go vent to a family member

[icy ravine]

Also no one cares

[vocal shard]

sucks to be you I guess

[covert blade]

Pretty sure Reddit has a place for that

Some Discord Servers even have places for that

[icy ravine]

I know, but like in vrchat you're talking to someone, not writing something down

[covert blade]

You wanted to know the best place to vent to someone

[icy ravine]

In vrchat, should've added that

[covert blade]

Close friends only

There's no "place"

[icy ravine]

oh okay, thanks anyway

[worldly swan]

if you specifically wanted to do it in vrc id say somewhere with pens and with someone you know/trust (i find 3d doodling while thinking about these things can help)

[covert blade]

<@&397642795457970181>

Posted in #vrchat-general-1 as well

[rugged bronze]

Ello

[minor swift]

Heya

[covert blade]

Hm?

[fiery seal]

bruh

someone caught me slippin once okay so what

[languid citrus]

still no eta on the 2018 update?

[rugged bronze]

Got my milk and noodles

Ready to eat

uwu

[vocal shard]

?

[brisk bone]

?

[thick marsh]

hey guys if i build a cube in my world and testrun it, it doesnt show up in my world

[languid citrus]

needs the pickup component

or

idk

[umbral reef]

@languid citrus really comes down to unity fixing these stuff.

[rugged bronze]

I searched for OwO Butler on google every day for 2 Years, because i saw it in Heyimbee's video 2 Years ago.. thanks to @reef tendon i found it uwu

[astral granite]

hai

[north axle]

One time I was sleeping in VR I had a dream I got an invite from 1001 (after he died), but then I woke up in the exact same room I was having a dream about. Very surreal.

[tame seal]

What is the easiest program to use to create an avatar with all the bells and whistles to use in game? I know alot of people use Blender but I don't have any experience with it, and I'd be starting with some kind of pre-made model and customizing/rigging it because I have no experience in creating a model from scratch.

[umbral reef]

Well blender is pretty much the only tool people use.
It has been more steamlined with things like Cats plugin

[desert stratus]

even with premade you ought to know how to use blender anyway

[kindred dew]

Did anyone here play PlayStation home

[desert stratus]

while Cat's streamlinese things you need to be prepared to troubleshoot or manually edit parts of an avatar you want yourself. i suggest taking up the donut tutorial or other 2.8 tutorials to learn the basics

[vivid hound]

sup

[gray sparrow]

Ay LMAO

[regal furnace]

https://twitter.com/itsbl4cky/status/1236335258800398339?s=21

told ya

[vocal shard]

?

[regal furnace]

remember yesterday?

[vocal shard]

not really, don't have a good memory

[regal furnace]

about that guy that ripped tons of avatars from VRChat?

[vocal shard]

yes

[regal furnace]

well, turned out I was right

he is selling them

[umbral reef]

He rips them once you ask for it
And even so- Plenty do that

[vocal shard]

you have proof tho ?

[regal furnace]

look up the twitter post

[umbral reef]

That guy is just taking money from even more dumb people

[regal furnace]

this needs to end now

[vocal shard]

they didn't post proof either

or I missed it

[umbral reef]

@regal furnace So what should they do?

[regal furnace]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EShYSpxXkAkTmPM?format=jpg&name=medium

[vocal shard]

that's not proof

there is no link or anything

he is just asking for money without giving any proof whatsoever that he actually got the files

[regal furnace]

i dont want to post the site again

[vocal shard]

I have the website

there is no link

only the thumbnail pics that are public anyway

[umbral reef]

This is from there discord

[vocal shard]

for all intend and purpose, this is just a scam front and nothing more

[sharp saddle]

I ran into @vocal shard just now.

Hello there. o/

[light niche]

that ripper shit has my shit up on there. VRC needs to hurry tf up and actually DO SOMETHING about how ridiculously easy it is to rip people's personal shit. They've even stolen COMMISSIONED AVATARS I've made for people.

Their actual business is conducted via a discord server, according to screenshots I've seen, and it is, in fact, a real fuckin' thing that needs to be handled.

Model ripping is a real problem, and now people are stealing other people's shit to profit off of it.

[proven carbon]

Remove your avatar and reupload with a different blueprint

[light niche]

doesn't make a difference if they've already ripped it lol

[proven carbon]

I’m pretty sure they don’t actually have it

[light niche]

And I have like 50+ avatars

[umbral reef]

@light niche Let me ask this. You know how programs render and read files?

[proven carbon]

Vrchat has a specific file format for avatar which only the game can read.

[light niche]

then how are people getting ahold of avatar files they can work with to steal and upload to their own accounts lol

obviously it's happening

[proven carbon]

They have the names and photos

That’s all they have

[light niche]

fact is VRC has 0 security, at all, when it comes to people's content

[umbral reef]

Well how can they improve it

[light niche]

and, um, no. There are people who have ripped entire avatars.

Closed API?

[umbral reef]

Wont change shit

Only means they cant get them pfp's on there website

[light niche]

Either way, there are ways they can fix their damn security lol

[umbral reef]

To an limited extend your right

How its now its stupid
How you want it is imposible

[light niche]

And they should absolutely do EVERY SINGLE THING in their power to fix security.

It should not be as easy as it is to rip people's shit

Or find out someone's IP

or modify the client and still be able to access the server to affect others

[umbral reef]

Ey good thing next update solves some of these things

[light niche]

oh?

[ruby needle]

(And the function to protect against it was simply not available in the current version)

[umbral reef]

The other things are problems that have been part of software and gaming since literally day one.

[light niche]

lmao no

VRChat is the only game I have ever played in which normal users can view others' IPs easily

[ionic bronze]

she been on my mind

[light niche]

Or modify the client itself to access the server and directly alter other peoples' accounts

[umbral reef]

So the biggest game companies out there dont have problems with there content being stolen?
Steam didnt cause VRchat to leak ip's just like how rust did in the past, how LoL did in the past and plenty more?
Also hacked game clients are for sure just a VRC problem 👀

[ruby needle]

There is a ton of games with that problem.
Modified clients can not alter peoples accounts.

[light niche]

i.e. force-changing avatars, deleting other people's accounts, crashing their entire ass PC

[ruby needle]

They can not delete accounts, they can not crash or destro pc's

[umbral reef]

First thing, cant deny or defend it. Proper bullshit and should be prio nr1 after the update.
Second is 105% bullshit and the pc thing is just being misinformed.

[ruby needle]

if a pc crashes from game crash then someone is wrong with it on a different layer. Same for when it literally dies.

[light niche]

either way

this shit is a LOT HARDER to do on any other game

I have never played WoW and had someone DDoS me, or force change my character, or crash me

[vocal shard]

@ruby needle https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/337243225649840128/686317874662736004 delete please

[light niche]

lol

why delete that???

[umbral reef]

Gee almost like a tighly controlled game that allowes for no creativity doesnt have the same problems as ones that do

[light niche]

its an important fuckin message

[vocal shard]

no it's not

[hollow ingot]

Mentions the site

[light niche]

lmao yes, actually, it is. people's commissioned, paid-for avatars are being stolen and sold by assholes

[vocal shard]

No it isn't

[umbral reef]

And also- What should VRC do about it now?

[light niche]

and something needs to be done to protect that shit

[vocal shard]

can't protect from ripping

[light niche]

make their shit more secure, maybe?????

[vocal shard]

can't make shit more secure

[indigo fern]

Inb4 someone mentions AAA game

[light niche]

yes, actually, you can lol

[vocal shard]

no you can't "lol"

[umbral reef]

Too slow n8 already did

[devout berry]

Only way now available to stop ripping is to remove the reason for it - you could stop them, but that would mean selecting from stock avatars for everyone.

[devout berry]

Shoot! Wrong server! Just by mistake tried to paste a java code, that belongs into server that I use with classmates to discuss programming classes!

🤦‍♂️

[hollow sluice]

yeah its literally impossible to stop ripping

unless the entire game is being streamed to their pc theres aways a way to take whatever youre rendering out and save it

[languid beacon]

FYI the ‘site’ being mentioned is most likely fake, there is no way to obtain any stolen avatars from it, it’s just pictures via the public vrc api, most likely its a scam to trick you into paying to remove avatars they don’t intend to sell in the first place.

Also inspecting the source they have no idea how to code a website, the idea that they have the technological knowhow to set up a web marketplace is highly improbable

If they did want to run a scam for actual money, they couldn't do so without being tracable without the good old steam giftcard scam o

Don't even trip about it.

The far more likely scenario is they're just trolls hoping to rile people up. They'd never get away with what they I believe they are hoping people will assume they plan to do.

[meager solstice]

@languid beacon I mean considering they said the site is a work in progress..... I don’t see how ur saying it’s a total scam

[languid beacon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mic-drop-peace-out-obama-3o7qDEq2bMbcbPRQ2c

[meager solstice]

I’m just saying, just because u can’t buy models from there, and that they only have photos does not mean they have all of those models

[umbral reef]

So even if they did
Why would anyone buy it from them instead of rip it themself?
Why would they run the risk actually getting there website working and all just to get into some deep legal problems?

[meager solstice]

u know @umbral reef some people don’t have brain cells just like why have their discord profiles pictures in their staff page

[umbral reef]

For the exact reason adeon said?

[meager solstice]

@umbral reef I mean ur logic of buying a ripped model is a bit scuffed for instance, if someone wants a model and doesn’t know how to rip models than they would use them. It’s just like why do people pay for models that r cookie cutter mmds when they could just make it themselves

[umbral reef]

buying something 'original'
VS
Buying something you know can get you banned

🤔

[meager solstice]

buying a cookie cutter mmd from free deviant art parts isn’t “original”

[umbral reef]

Also the fact that you would still need to upload it, just like with the comissiosn

So you need a tiny bit of brain cells to do that
What would mean you can find the tools

Im almost sure they made more from the dumbass people sharing it and people wanting to 'remove there model from there website' then people actually buying things

[meager solstice]

Yes but uploading, is like 2 clicks. People aren’t even willing to deal with blender because it’s to much “effort”

[lethal meteor]

Blender took the lead over autodesk

[meager solstice]

I’m not defending them but to say they don’t have models, people won’t buy stolen stuff is wrong in my opinion

[umbral reef]

They can rip models live so it changes jack shit
And people will buy anything

The big difference is that they will make proper money as your statemants make it seem like

[languid beacon]

They're not going to sell avatars. They might be hoping some people email them requesting that they don't sell them - even though they were never going to - so that they can try and weasel some money out of them to not sell it. But I doubt they even have the capacity or balls to pull something like that. Their shoddily written website is just to troll. Nothing more.

[umbral reef]

And that they for sure got anything and everything downloaded

There is more money selling other bullshit that wont get them disconnected from all internet sources 🙂

[meager solstice]

I mean pretending like they don’t have anything downloaded is also autistic

[umbral reef]

Cloudfare for sure loves taking down these things after enough legit reports

[indigo fern]

shoddily written site? maybe in grammar sure, but the search function for users works better than vrc ingame lmao

[meager solstice]

I mean, I’m not defending them because like I said they have zero brain cells

[indigo fern]

autofill on user names, why cant we have that on site

[languid beacon]

I'm referring to the site source. It's manually typed, beginner's first website. Ask yourself if they have the capacity to set up a web marketplace, while also being untraceable so they don't get shut down. They're pretending they can do something way out of their league. Of course they have a bunch of stuff downloaded. Anyone can do that. But thinking they have the skill to do anything with that is giving too much credit for what I see, and how I see them act. The plan is that everyone assumes it's all real and talks about it and oh god oh geez panic in the streets.

[indigo fern]

we can break some of that down

[meager solstice]

They aren’t the brightest, and yes I do agree with u their idea in no way shape or form will work. Their plan is autistic start to finish. Even using their Irl names for PayPal is dumb enough. Having their own discord photos linked to their accounts is dumb as well.

[indigo fern]

damn typed too fast lmao

yea real name paypal, people already sell ripped models nothing new, public database sites already existed so also nothing new, and ripping takes about 0 skill anyway for a near perfect copy

[languid beacon]

Unless the plan isn't to do anything illegal, but to stir a lot of negative attention and drama and panic surrounding VRChat and it's insecurities. But I mean, who would want to do that.

[indigo fern]

like under the circumstances, and the fact that they have done this before, why wouldnt anyone attempt to profit from models they were already stock piling

like there are people sitting on public avatar databases already just to have it

[languid beacon]

You should've seen the version of the site that had all the pricings, before they panicked and changed it. It read like ransomeware.

[meager solstice]

ye, it did

[languid beacon]

If anything removing that makes the site a tad more believable, having all the prices listed there made it easy to call BS that they'd ever try to set up a market.

[lethal meteor]

Just add their domain to a blacklist site

[languid beacon]

Time will tell. DM me if I'm wrong, I'll buy my own model and see how their scam works, and document their process. :)

[lethal meteor]

Probably best to ignore it

[languid beacon]

Once nothing happens, people will

[lethal meteor]

I should probably get back into making models.

[languid beacon]

Hm. what's the fastest way to buy a new oculus quest, that doesn't involve ebay