2060 good choice. u will be happy.
#vrchat-general-2
crimson pier
mental shuttle
what about CPU? which one would you say is well enough for VRC?
crimson pier
the better the better
mental shuttle
yes but
rancid flame
any ryzen 3000 spu will work well
mental shuttle
what about Intel?
rancid flame
dont go intel
mental shuttle
now I got i7-6700K. with this Im even more confused cause there are so many different ones
umbral reef
i7-8700k
1080
16 GB DDR4
Runs all games like a charm so far
crimson pier
i use i7 6k
mental shuttle
why? Intel is solid
crimson pier
its perfectly ok
rancid flame
the new ryzen cpus beat out the intel cpus in most things
mental shuttle
@umbral reef yes same here, except VRC is special
rancid flame
the 3700x should be good
mental shuttle
I feel more comfortable going with Intel
umbral reef
Well its not odd when you need to do the calculations of 3 big games for one avatar
rancid flame
trust me. amd is way better right now
mental shuttle
I dont trust you sorry haha
rough pulsar
Intel's price-performance ration isn't too good lately compared to AMD
They've been sitting around doing fuck all for years and let AMD catch up
umbral reef
AMD is the go to high end and mid tier by now
mental shuttle
I think when I did the research Intel was said to be better or just about the same...
umbral reef
There prices are just too good for what you get
rough pulsar
Not anymore (about intel)
umbral reef
They really did some big shit the last 1a2 years
opaque hawk
How is amd stability rn?
crimson pier
burn the intel alive with oc
rancid flame
amd stability is perfect
mental shuttle
buut IF we go with Intel... for VRC, what would be well enough?
Im looking at i7 7700K
mental shuttle
but this I wont upgrade for probably a year
rancid flame
you want a cpu with the best ipc and single core perf
umbral reef
Could also for a even higher i5 but at the same time
Im a lazy slob and enjoy having 20 programs open in the background while using VRC
mental shuttle
like I said, already got i7-6700K. so we got almost the same then FurryArsenic
umbral reef
If you want that, the i7 can be worth it
rancid flame
you can either go for a 9900k or a ryzen 3000 cpu
crimson pier
burn the i7 alive
mental shuttle
I dont know what u mean haha
crimson pier
overclock it to melting point
mental shuttle
no wth
rancid flame
its the only way you will get to 3000 perf
mental shuttle
I also messed up when I built my PC 3 years ago
my first build. I did a ton of research but I missed one small detail that I now regret orz
crimson pier
whut went wrong
mental shuttle
the motherboard doesnt allow a higher RAM speed T.T
I didnt know it was even a thing
crimson pier
๐คฎ
umbral reef
@crimson pier Its all about using that water hose to cool down the pc
crimson pier
dip whole pc in flex seal
umbral reef
What are you stuck on neko
mental shuttle
2133MHz
meager solstice
@umbral reef i just leave my pc outside in the snow to cool it
umbral reef
It will get frostbite then wigma
mental shuttle
otherwise my PC is a super solid build. I love her ToT
crimson pier
whats wigma
meager solstice
yeah.... no one wants frostbite engine
umbral reef
Well if you have a high vram gpu it should still be ait neko
crimson pier
big oof
umbral reef
Can still get ddr4 with it so
mental shuttle
anyway thanks for the info guys. I'll be looking to add more RAM then and then wait for the newer GPUs and buy the 2060 and then in a year I'll upgrade my CPU as well. cause now I've done all I can to get VRC to run well, yet some people with worse PCs have less lag than me T.T I dream of the day I can join a dance party with more than 10 people
umbral reef
Did you talk about a specific shitty website vamdra?
crimson pier
big oof x2
vocal shard
Yo what bad language am I saying?
umbral reef
Did you talk about a specific website?
vocal shard
None of those were bad
mental shuttle
@umbral reef not sure what VRAM is but, I got Asus GTX 1060 Dual 6GB
umbral reef
If so, that website is the problem
vocal shard
No
crimson pier
split sylables maybe
fluid ether
pipi in ur mouth
mental shuttle
wth
crimson pier
no
vocal shard
I was asking about a program vrc devs made
crimson pier
@fluid ether bad
umbral reef
Yea unless its the official game they didnt make it
fluid ether
@crimson pier proof?
long hatch
I think the VRC devs made VRChat but I'm not entirely sure...
crimson pier
profve sent. expect mail proof soon.
vocal shard
May i speak with an admin of this discord please
indigo fern
no karen
desert stratus
a program?
crimson pier
maynt
desert stratus
dm me what you were trying to say
vocal shard
It's censoring you because it thinks you're saying a certain website that is not allowed.
desert stratus
cuz i know that there's two specifically banned words in this discord and for very fucking good reason
indigo fern
no he said program jamie
desert stratus
(hint: they're both/(have) malware)
vocal shard
I know, but the structure of the sentence is triggering that
umbral reef
guess we can
desert stratus
huh really? i thought it was banned. well discussion of it iirc is still against the rules i can go read it right now
its still bad because. malware 0u0
vocal shard
And yes, other than the official game client, mods and such, despite how how official they claim to be, are bannable
indigo fern
mechanim is banned yea, it fucks with the sdk since those creators dont want it used for vrc
vocal shard
What is the official game client
umbral reef
But @vocal shard
VRchat does not support any addon/client that isnt directly downloaded from the Steam or Oculus store.
Dont download anything that claims it is, dont use websites that are close to the games name as those are all not legit, not supported and have plenty of bad things on it.
vocal shard
The one from steam or oculus
umbral reef
Is the Viveport one still a thing?
crimson pier
we dont talk about the quest
desert stratus
if you get your client from anywhere else its against the rules, if its free then its most likely malware and not an actual game client
i dont..think so. fuck, viveport might as well not exist lol
vocal shard
So... I cant play vr chat cuz vr chat want to eliminate desktop users which will dramatically drop the number of players since vr headset tech is so expensive. Ok
desert stratus
what? no
desert stratus
i got baited im so sorry
vocal shard
So vrc m0d man_ager isnt allowed
desert stratus
...i did get baited, right?
umbral reef
No
crimson pier
mods bad
umbral reef
Its modifying your client
crimson pier
no allow
indigo fern
is it even bait at this point
umbral reef
And you got banned for breaking the rules :5head:
@indigo fern Well ever since i got into the habit of eating paint and glue its all the same for me
But i do understand these users now though
indigo fern
oclac became even more acoustic then?
umbral reef
Maybe dont install random software onto your PC?
indigo fern
oh sorry, i meant vaccinated
vocal shard
Maybe i did it cuz of people tryingnto hack me and then whenningot thst it stopped
umbral reef
But you got prob swapped into a crash avatar. Go to the website, log in and reset your avatar there (under the avatar tab)
Maybe you will get banned for using it
And will complain about it here what is funny.
So on the other hand ๐ค Feel free to do what ever
@indigo fern Im totally smart now you know
vocal shard
No... I give up. I cant deal with people irl. Now i am forced to not online. Screw people.
crimson pier
someone should pin crash avi removal
vocal shard
Yall want me gone. More proof has been presented im not supposed to be alive
crimson pier
what
umbral reef
Just do what i said, log into the website, reset your avatar and you can play again
But stop downloading programs you know nothing about by random people on the internet. Its the perfect way to get all your information stolen like accounts, emails and passwords. And plenty of other fun things.
crimson pier
freecupholder.exe
-> opens cd drive
vocal shard
This program was given by a friend. Not random
ruby needle
That's madness. 
umbral reef
That friend did not make the program.
indigo fern
unless he did monka
vocal shard
Another reason i can never trust
umbral reef
Feel free to ignore my advice again.
You have been warned, you now know the risks.
Playing stupid games just gets you stupid prizes.
crimson pier
join social game
refuse to social
???
profit
vocal shard
Everyine wants to f with me. So i will f the world. Since im only here on this f-ing world to be f-ed by all of you... I say time for me to stop breathing so yall cant mess with me for your own enjoyment anymore
crimson pier
hey dude...calm down, have a cup of tea. if it feels like the universe is out to fuck you over, it might be worth reflecting on how much the universe actually cares about you.
vocal shard
Yea. Did that.. Got f-ed again and again. Now i have ptsd cuz of people who claim to care about me. But only took advantage of my kindness. Got mad cuz i would say no once after long time. And said no cuz i was sick. So i get f-ed
crimson pier
i meant the other direction
why would u think everyone cares to fuck you over
take a potion of chill dude
vocal shard
People dont care about anyone or anything. At all unless its to there own selfish needs.
crimson pier
...and yet, theres this whole server of people selflessly helping others with their vrc problems. underline vrc. vrc problems.
vocal shard
^ He's right you know
Perhaps
I guess they are the real humanity then
No one else
crimson pier
it aint all that bad u know. look a bit brighter. depression is pretty rough but theres lot of help, you just need to reach out
vocal shard
I do reach out
And get told tonsuck it up. Guess what i cannot. I have my issues not their issues.
I am not them. They are not me.
You're hanging around the wrong crowds then.
Its the only ones available. And i cannot afford to move elsewhere
crimson pier
yeah, doesnt sound like professional help. speaking of professional help thats definitely not me so
vocal shard
Not for me either. Cant afford it
crimson pier
sry to go but good luck. i gtg.
vocal shard
Uh huh.
F it.. Im done.
The world can destroy itself. Im done trying to help it
Bye
sterile ingot
Over VRChat
You know you actually create more financial burdens if you off yourself. It's expensive to die.
vocal shard
VRChat got me over my irl social anxiety
sterile ingot
I'm still working on mine.
vocal shard
Yea but if vrc is trying to get rid of desktop.. Which it seems it is
Vrchat was the only way i could heal. Cuz i have gottwn hurt by people so much... The sight of actual people makes me literally nausious
It sounds like you're under the age of 18
I was like that when i was around 16 or 17
rigid crescent
Yea but if vrc is trying to get rid of desktop.. Which it seems it is proof?
vocal shard
Guess again. Disabled
compact river
?
twin fractal
bait
umbral reef
Wait you called mic that or?
rigid crescent
i think they mean they are
compact river
rigid crescent
But i'd like that proof VRC is getting rid of desktop, or trying to
compact river
wat is this emote
compact river
But cat?
umbral reef
Soo just like there pfp
twin fractal
squid is a cat
compact river
Nani
vocal shard
Desktop users are getting more and more limitations on how thay can play. And more easily crashable.
twin fractal
lol
vocal shard
not really
rigid crescent
More limitations such as? And how are they more easily crashed?
compact river
Example?
rigid crescent
No no, let's hear them out. It's important in situations like this
twin fractal
what new limitations were added against desktop users?
rigid crescent
I'd like to their their point of view. I'm not a desktop player, so hearing what limitations desktop users have been given as of late, as wel las how they're easier to crash would be insightful to most of us here.
meager solstice
i mean i see no difference in terms of desktop from 2-3 years ago and today? im kinda curious as to what he/she is seeing that i am not
vocal shard
....obeserving while drinking coffee
hollow sluice
Desktops are harder to crash actually because they have a higher chance of bruteforcing trought the insane polygons because desktop is easier to run
rigid crescent
Well maybe it's something we haven't considered before ๐
hollow sluice
At least technically
I dont see why they are easier to crash or getting more limited
lone scroll
i dont think anyone uses a mesh to crash anyone since 2017 lmao
vocal shard
^
hollow sluice
The hackers that force switch your avatars do afaik
vocal shard
Then perhaps itsnthst i cant afford a computer thwlat works properly. Game lags too much. Gamencrashes too much. Guess all the issues are cuz of me. Cuz i cant afford shit. So.. Guess i need to find a way to off myself
Did u guys ever get where ur avatars are forced to switch and when u log in there's a laugh?
hollow sluice
Or find a way how to make money lol
rigid crescent
Yeah, PC most likely the issue. Oh well back to lurk mode.
twin fractal
how is that in anyway VRChat actively trying to limit desktop users
twin fractal
fun fact: VR is dependent on PC power too
vocal shard
@vocal shard yeah seems to be something going around lately. You can reset your avatar on the website or press Ctrl+\ to reset your avatar
hollow sluice
They corrected themselves that its most likely their pc instead
rigid crescent
You realize you're being crazy and paranoid, correct?
vocal shard
I have a VR but never use it anymore @vocal shard
rigid crescent
VRChat has done nothing to limit desktop users. Desktop users are are not easier to crash. Both of those are facts you have yet to produce any evidence to refute.
compact river
hollow sluice
Wait. You dont think that they are making users crash to make them buy vr right? Thats a retarded tactic at best lol
vocal shard
It is still run by trolling people. Human beings only exist to harm others. Thats what my life experiences have taught me.
hollow sluice
Thats no different for vr users
rigid crescent
Can you explain yourself instead of making false claims?
compact river
So you exist to harm me! Nani
vocal shard
No matter how good you are. Your not supposed to be. Or you get forced into insanity
rigid crescent
I know you're having a nervous breakdown or maybe even just a grab for attention right now, but you should probably chill
vocal shard
@vocal shard @vocal shard im so glad im not the only one, i just feel sad for others who can't reset their avatars..
Called im having another mental break
hollow sluice
How is this related to vrchat or your claims?
compact river
Maybe both
rigid crescent
and lying about VRChat does what to help you?
hollow sluice
@vocal shard everyone can tho
vocal shard
Not lying. Just ststing what i see
compact river
And that is?
hollow sluice
Imagine having a job instead of complaining about not having money on the internet
hollow sluice
Youre doing something wrong than
vocal shard
@hollow sluice well thats good to know ๐ive been trying to help people who have that problems
Yea. Its called they dont wanna hire disabled people
rigid crescent
I mean clearly youre lying. VRChat isn't trying to force out desktp users. that alone is a lie. almost every VR user yo usee was originally a desktop user
you may not mean to lie, but youre lying nonetheless
vocal shard
If i tell them on application im not hired. If i dont (which legslly i dont have too) they say i lied on the application
@rigid crescent did i not say it feels like andnseems like they are?
compact river
Why does it make you feel that way
hollow sluice
I am just wondering when will the dev team do something about it. Even just something so simple as letting us choose an avatar that we will load in to every time we launch the game instead of loading in to the last one we used.
rigid crescent
Desktop users are getting more and more limitations on how thay can play. And more easily crashable.
compact river
Right now it just sounds like bored bsing
vocal shard
My new question fornthe devs are: why keep the limited only 16 avatars savable since the amount of avatars has grown immensely
compact river
Avoidance
twin fractal
same
compact river
Amazing
rigid crescent
I think the unofficial reason is "so people actually go to worlds"
hollow sluice
You dont have to be officially emploed to make money tho. It honestly feels like instead of finding ways how to make money, your finding reasons why you cant make money. I cant really lame you because thats what most people do nowadays anyways
rigid crescent
16 is a lot. it used to be 3.
compact river
I use like 5 slots
hollow sluice
I still havent used up all 16 of mine
twin fractal
still too low. they should make it at least 30 imo
rigid crescent
why not 100
compact river
100 2 low
rigid crescent
mine are mostly booth samples to show people what the originals of mine look like or to test avatars out
vocal shard
But for those who cannot create why not add more available save spaces
rigid crescent
Because 16 is a LOT of models.
vocal shard
eating popcorn
ruby needle
It's Favorites, not "public avatar database"
compact river
Everyone can create
hollow sluice
Because making your own personalized avatar thats part of your in game reputation is part of the charm of the game imo
ruby needle
People create public models and want you to actually visit their world, draw in friend's or show their new stuff.
twin fractal
it's still needlessly low
rigid crescent
16 isnt low though lol
ruby needle
Heck no.
compact river
I want popcorn now
rigid crescent
admittedly 3 was low. 16 is far fro mit
charred owl
Hey guys, I am having trouble with my vr chat. I am a desktop user and as soon as I launch the game and go into my homerooom a picture of an anime covers my entire screen and I can not do anything. Anyone have had this problem?
indigo fern
just make pedestal worlds for yourself 4head
charred owl
I think i got my files corrupted in a public world
deft girder
Log on the website and then under avatars you can reset back to default avatar
vocal shard
@compact river shares a popcorn and offer a sit next to me
ruby needle
Login to the website if you have a VRChat account, You can then reset the Avatar on the avatars page.
charred owl
thanks โค๏ธ
twin fractal
I use mostly private avatars but if I didn't 16 would be hell
hollow sluice
@charred owl someone forced you in to a crashing avatar with a hacked client.
vocal shard
Question.. Legit good question
charred owl
@hollow sluice thanks ๐
rigid crescent
you think so? 16 is a hell of a lot of models to use
desert stratus
depends on the person
rigid crescent
I use exclusively private ones and I don't even think I've gone through 16 renditions of "myself" at this point
hollow sluice
Its almost like they want people to have some personality instead o f using the same egirl and wolfboy avatars
rancid flame
I have 7 avatars favorited and only really use 3
vocal shard
If an avatar is from a world thats no longer usable. Or the avatat is removed. Then why are people other than the creator still able yo use it? (No clients/mods involved)
rigid crescent
There's my Miminos, my Advents, my guy avatar, my maid, my sharp tooth girl, uhhh
indigo fern
16 is a lot for normal use, like i like this avatar so imma main it
but for those people that wanna save tons of meme avatars not so much, they just have to have the floor slapping nep
desert stratus
i filled up my favorites a lot but only because im mostly using them for "archival" purposes to either show cool or important avatars
rigid crescent
oh and my tall girl
twin fractal
idk man I favorite avatars that I know I'll want to use in the near future and I'm always between 14-16
desert stratus
but i only use like. two different avatars at a time, for the longest time just one
rigid crescent
not counting upgrades of those models as separate models, I haven't even come close to 16 and this is over thousands of hours
But not wanting a somewhat unique identity in this game is really a foreign concept ot me, so im admittedly a bit out of touch when it comes to that
compact river
Tis not pokemon you do not need to catch all the anime grills
indigo fern
even when using multiple avatars, dont you edit them to be more of your style anyway
hollow sluice
I dont like people that use lota of avatars. I remember people by their face because I forget names very quickly so if someone chnages avatars every week I will never know who they are
indigo fern
im pretty ok with voices, i play with nametags off too so unless i add them i dont even know the name
rigid crescent
You know you're a REAL insider when almost all the people you hang out with have a private version of their avatar that fits them
indigo fern
whoa, insider
hollow sluice
Imo public avatars are a way to bring in new players but if you intend to stick around you should get something unique
indigo fern
kinda yea, but also for people who legit cannot fathom making an avatar
tropic tundra
I tend to bounce between avatars, but I'm planning to commission a custom one here soon \o/
rancid flame
im going to be commissioning one once the 2018 update drops
indigo fern
like theres people in #avatars-2-general thats been asking the same shit for years, its harder for some to remember the process
rigid crescent
going through my online list right now, 4 out of 23 dont have a private model that's "their" look lol
vocal shard
One of the main things that drew me to this game was the ability to make an avatar that looks like nobody else
rigid crescent
Before I even started playing this game I had my own kitbash
tropic tundra
๐
vocal shard
Can I have it
rigid crescent
Like I saw that it was possible and went for t hat first instead of just being a public for ages
indigo fern
weeb mmd users
tropic tundra
C-c-custom avatar?
rigid crescent
We all start somewhere
rigid crescent
Nothing wrong with MMD anyway, it's when it's the same few bases with little to no edits that it gets boring
tropic tundra
Poggers bro let me clone bro
vocal shard
Can I clone bro pls bro
near egret
i am having a problem with vr chat
vocal shard
Please let me clone
indigo fern
no i meant weeb mmd user as in actually using mmd for kitbashing, jamie is omega weeb still
tropic tundra
I agree that the endless replicas of mmd models is kinda boring 
rigid crescent
MMD models can be made to be unique, people just flock to the same basic style time and time again
tropic tundra
Not to mention the bright, loud, and obnoxious particle ones
vocal shard
I just want an eboy MMD model that someone already has but itโs recolored to look like me
rigid crescent
You can grab any public e-girl model and make it unique, it's just that most people just want to use the same basic shit
tropic tundra
^
hollow sluice
I am slep now. Good night
tropic tundra
slep well
vocal shard
You see mic .. I would make a new booth avatar... I would.... But... I got lazy in my old age
vocal shard
Not my style
rigid crescent
dam
vocal shard
XD
indigo fern
he saving up them vbucks
tropic tundra
Big tiddy? :0
vocal shard
Although I do think my next avatar will have more tan skin. Closer to irl me
rigid crescent
join the dark skinned anme girl squad
vocal shard
twin fractal
mic getting affiliate commission lmao 
indigo fern
jamie a dark skinned anime girl irl ๐ณ
vocal shard
Gotta let my Colombia heritage show
rigid crescent
I sent that person Hystero his way, they wanted something custom as well and he's one of the few people I know doing it at a fairly low price point
Im just good at shilling my bois' work ๐
vocal shard
so um, is this ever happening? https://twitter.com/vrchat/status/941692642898956288?lang=en
twin fractal
don't hold your breath
indigo fern
youd be dead by now
vocal shard
but i wish i could play
ruby needle
Bootcamp is sadly still the answere for Mac Gaming.
earnest prawn
hello
crystal lark
Heyo๐
idle elm
heh, I didn't know that Tweet existed.
copper gulch
share that popcorn man
wet sluice
<@&397642795457970181>
vocal shard
whats this I hear about VR Chat terminating its service in March?
wet sluice
Nobody needs to read your erp chat session...
indigo fern
its not real
vocal shard
I am glad it's not real. I joined VR Chat pretty late. I would hate for it to close down so soon.
its fake but after the crasher and vrc devs going on red alert and then the fake pic/link about it coming to an end from the dev team... someone istrying to warn them or possibly ransom them
Yeah, I have noticed an increase in crash attacks recently. I was hanging out in an avatar world that didn't seem to popular, and then a user kept changing all of our avatars at the same time (there were 4 of us, not including this other user).
Even after blocking the user they were still able to change my avatar. I was able to get some screenshots and just got out of there.
yep this sounds like an attack and the post may be a threat towards VRC
warped creek
I guess any world with avatar pedestal in it puts you at risk of getting affected by that exploit.
frosty veldt
It's a good thing no one cares about the script kiddies. It's like getting threats from a 5 year old.
vocal shard
also I M in vrc with friends and we are talking about our avatars being changed from someone hacking. we believe that someone may have hacked access to the VR Chat server systems themselves
Well, I am just glad that I am not playing that other VR game. There was a documentary released about it, where the users were dying. I think it was called Sword Art Online?
frosty veldt
That's an anime? I'm not sure if your joking
vocal shard
Sorry Scion, I am joking. 
frosty veldt
Can't be sure anymore lol. If anything with client users it's best to keep it down low. Report when you see it but don't complain. All they want is attention.
vocal shard
Not about the crasher, but about the anime.
Yeah, that's why I haven't said much about it until now. It's pretty easy to report and move on anyways.
delicate surge
My IP address was just found out because VRchat's talking mechanic is shit
wet sluice
Was the same for any game using steam networking up until 2018. Vrchat is just a little behind on the updates ;P
Beta is 
probably, hopefully, maybe
thin steeple
hi
vocal shard
Oh man, they know your IP address?
That's truly tragic, you should go hide in a mountain to be safe, who knows what's going to happen
cinder wharf
unless they have an open port number to your PC I wouldn't worry about it.
cold talon
meanwhile me with 20 open ports and port forwarding enabled
wet sluice
as long as what you've got on the other side of those ports isn't some unpatched legacy garbo, then it's safe
rancid flame
If they can get my ip they could fuck with my minecraft server. Can't have that
thin steeple
how are u ?
cold talon
Uhhhh... About that..
wet sluice
has bahka been a bad boi?
thin steeple
wet sluice
You running a winxp sp1 box to host a raw FTP server?
rancid flame
Well it's running off an old pc on a random Linux distro I found on a dusty USB drive
cold talon
Ah no, I've been the gooddest boy, but I do have sp1 enabled on the network for file sharing, although that one is not forwarded, what is is a login portal
wet sluice
wait, actually though? Security problems aside, that's just a terribly performing OS lol
cold talon
Pfft, it's not even an old pc, it's running on a pi4
wet sluice
wait what? I was talking about windows xp service pack 1. What were you thinking I meant?
cold talon
Oh heck, sp1 dunno why I read it as samba share 1, too tired for this now
wet sluice
lol. That's still odd though. Why would you be running smb 1.0?
3.0 performs so much better. (and it's not horribly insecure and unencrypted)
vocal shard
Cuz it's bahka
He is scuffed, don't try to find any logic just accept that stuff is happening around him
wet sluice
Oh, I found the reason to use 2.0 over 3.0. To support win7 smh. But idk why 1.0
delicate surge
@vocal shard No
vocal shard
odd question, but does anyone know where i can find the baby shark ferrit avatar?
thin steeple
hi ???
vocal shard
Hi
thin steeple
how are u
vocal shard
Good. U?
thin steeple
fine
vocal shard
Wdym no
cold talon
Using 1.0 because that's the only one natively supported for some reason
cold talon
By hassio, it's a home automation platform, the addon they have works on smb1 for unknown reasons
wet sluice
That sounds pretty gross
cold talon
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
plain vortex
Hi everyone! 
cold talon
Gotta access those config files somehow
wet sluice
Yea, by literally anything other than SMB1.0 would be beter
cold talon
Yeah ๐
Gotta find an alternative before someone logs in and sets my heating to 80c
Or even worse, activates my claymore roomba
wet sluice
lol, I'd be more concerned about it being used as a pivot into your network. Luckily they'd first need some other way like through local subnet access through webrtc
hazy nymph
whats with all these ban waves?
rancid vessel
Do you guys think it would be a mistake to lookup a friend on discord to message them instead of in game? If I need them for the moment..
zinc nexus
What VR headset do i buy in 2020?
vocal shard
Samsung Odyssey+ for $230 (north America)
Rift S (or quest) for $400
Valve index for $1000
Whatever fits your budget
plain vortex
@vocal shard what's about htc?
vale wave
i would not suggest to buy a 2nd hand oculus / htc
vocal shard
HTC stopped making the Vive,
The new Vive cosmos is flawed and not recommend by basically every reviewer,
And the Vive pro is still overpriced for what you get compared to the index
vale wave
Oculus warranty works per person , not by product
many ppl got into trouble cuz of that
plain vortex
I had HTC Vive, but I bought rift CV1, I am very happy in this deal
vocal shard
Nice
I had a second hand CV1, but eventually sold it to my cousin and now have a Rift S
plain vortex
Do you like S more?
vocal shard
Yeah
vocal shard
When it was first announced there were lots of hate, calling it a downgrade, but after a couple months most reviewers do say it is better.
I like the higher resolution and RGB screens, bringing the pixel density closer to the valve index than the Vive pro.
The lenses are much improved, with larger sweetspots and much less glare.
The halo headband is also more comfortable imo.
The inside out tracking works well, I prefer it to the outside sensors for how I play.
The audio isn't as good though, so you definitely do want headphones
plain vortex
oh, i just watched https://vrchat.com/careers, is Community Support the same as a moderator?
vocal shard
I don't know. I'm just a volunteer for the discord and have no affiliation with vrchat itself. That's an application to be a vrchat employee. But game mods are vrchat employees
plain vortex
CV1 has many technical flaws, for example, a wire that bends over time, and the headphones break. Does S have something like that?
devout berry
@plain vortex I don't think so. From what I read, it is more about answering people's questions about game and problems on any platform they use.
vocal shard
The first rift S models (mine included) shipped with a thick wire that is heavier than the CV1. The newer models have a thinner fiber optic cable.
The rift S flaws at launch were more software, but those have been fixed now mostly
plain vortex
Well, it's great. If my helmet dies one day, I'll probably still love the oculus
covert blade
plain vortex
haha
vocal shard
Spoiler alert... He doesn't actually 
plain vortex
oh noooo
cold talon
Either way, Jamie most likely has more datapoints on us than zuck
broken plover
plot twist: jamie buys the data from facebook. So zuckerberg said the truth when he said "We do not sell data to advertisers"
devout berry
?!
@cold talon Why would that be and how? Are you just trying to joke? Well, that wasn't funny.
plain vortex
Data
Record one:
Zuckerberg loves Reika
snow wadi
How ish you?
vocal shard
Good. You?
snow wadi
Doing okie dokie!
vocal shard
๐ค
snow wadi
I'm going through my back catalogue on previous worlds and working on optimizing them and improving them.
vocal shard
Cool cool
lost agate
that actually sounds prety nice, i think ima do the same
plain vortex
vale wave
Pizza
broken plover
roy pizza
crimson pier
pizza forevah
mental barn
Hello!
crimson pier
hoi!
vocal shard
Anyone have an idea of how much full body would cost? Dm would be lit
vocal shard
Kind of dumb when it comes to all this but for example, what would let me move all my fingers the easiest?
crimson pier
knuckles
vocal shard
Legit starting from no set up whatsoever
crimson pier
(valve index controllers)
devout berry
Don't forget the compulsory lighthouses, if you add it to headset that is not index/vive.
crimson pier
yeah, knuckes require base 2.0
umbral reef
The index controllers are the only way to move all fingers
All other controller work with animations (a limited about per avatar) to move fingers
devout berry
Until they make index independent sensor gloves to get the data, Oclac.
And it get implemented.
vocal shard
Ah ok thanks so much, besides arms how much would waist down be separately? If anyone US knows
umbral reef
You need 3 puck trackers for proper FBT and thats a fair chunk of money (so around 350 dollars)
You can also do a kinect or other setups but those work less good and dont give you full FBT
snow wadi
You don't need a DM for price, just check amazon.
Also I think you can get them for cheap from there, not sure if there's stock right now though.
Oh it's 143 bucks per puck...yikes.
vocal shard
Proper erp equipment require commitment
glad bolt
$143 per?? Are the pucks not being sold on the Vive site or....?
glad bolt
Yikes
snow wadi
Even on the website it's still nagging for 129 bucks.
HTC recouping their losses from the cosmos xD
glad bolt
Oh my. 
crimson pier
big oof
plain vortex
kinect
mossy thistle
i ordered erp equipment today as well
vocal shard
I'm very jelly
can't erp with my homies ๐
pale timber
svel erp with me
vocal shard
north axle
donโt
mossy thistle
can't wait for friday to come
north axle
also, stay hydrated
plain vortex
wanna too
vocal shard
plain vortex
oh gosh
faint skiff
Quest via Virtual Desktop = Full version of VRChat wirelessly.
hollow sluice
Mfw ppl think you cant erp without full body
faint skiff
You just have to put more effort into your pelvic thrusts.
wet sluice
Got to do the planking movements
faint skiff
Cmon, you can do it with me. Crouch. Uncrouch. Crouch. Uncrouch. Everybody do the desktop ERP.
mossy thistle
i had desktop erp like one year ago, it was reeeeeally weird
thankfully i was on receiving side and the giving side was at least a vr user, not fbt tho
hollow sluice
Its fine if one has full body and the other one doesnt. Than its farely doable
faint skiff
I find it bad enough just being stood near a desktop user, I couldn't even imaging ERP, lol. It's like some sort of creepy mannequin just... stood there, rigid and motionless.
mossy thistle
some desktop users manage to make their avatars very vivid and lively even without vr
pseudo basalt
Some people are probably into that enverex
ruby burrow
Difficulty levels in order...
Hard "I completed Darksouls, no summons."
Harder "I completed Touhou. 1CC lunatic run."
Hardcore "I ERP in VR-Chat. As a desktop dom." 
ivory igloo
using the default avatar
mighty nest
erp?
ruby burrow
Educational Role Play.
ivory igloo
sexiitimes role playing.
mighty nest
educational hmm
ivory igloo
im a good teacher.
ruby burrow
Some answers may be more educational than others.
pseudo basalt
vocal shard
really ?
quaint dawn
I don't have unity but ty anyway
vocal shard
?
pseudo basalt
ruby burrow
Why are you trying to open that file?
faint skiff
@mossy thistle By "vivid and lively" you mean clearly looping animations and often obnoxiously over the top emotes?
mighty nest
educational role playing daycare
grim canopy
Good morning Vrchat!!! Good Morning Wishes!!
mossy thistle
@faint skiff no, i mean all those small movements you could do with your mouse and facial expressions
faint skiff
I mean, unless it's looping animations, they literally can't do that. They have no control.
mossy thistle
i don't mean erp, i mean acting in general
grim canopy
@faint skiff Ground Control To Major Tonge
faint skiff
@mossy thistle I'm not referring to ERP either, lol.
grim canopy
This is ground control to major tong, Iโm stepping threw the door, an Iโm floating in the most peculiar way...
Who know the song?
mossy thistle
well, then you haven't seen desktop users like that, probably, that are lively and vivid (for a desktop user)
ruby burrow
@faint skiff It's entirely possible. Mainly through personality or charisma, but often assisted by a bit of good avatar design as well.
Also even aside from that, there's different kinds of "vivid and lively" than just being lifelike in terms of human body mannerisms too.
Eg, this one desktop guy who liked to play a little floating robot. Had the head of his avatar as the floating drone like robot, and the rest not existing.
When he picked things up, it'd animate a little tractor beam to where his right hand presumably was, along with a very subtle sound effect.
Had a variety of little holographic "expressions", as well as some situational custom made emotes.
Was all done really well. Took every weakness he had as a desktop user, and found a way to work with it or round it as best as possible.
Felt a more life like part of an instance than half of the raptor-arm-pose VR users nearby.
desert radish
Just damn avatar creation from a base is hard.. Problems after another..
ruby burrow
It can be quite a learning process yeah.
frosty veldt
Yeah I want to make a desktop avatar that has no legs/arms as having those parts hang lifeless always looks bizarre to me. Main reason I don't play desktop
desert radish
It can be quite a learning process yeah.
@ruby burrow First i thought ''hey i have to learn blender just how to fit clothes on, it's otherwise the same process than complete mmd model''... But no. Now i'm learning weight painting and manual atlasing and how to sort out transparent textures.
faint skiff
@ruby burrow I mean that's a good example of working around the issue. But that's a tiny minority of desktop users.
frosty veldt
Even that I feel "tiny minority" would be too many people lol
ruby burrow
Well of course it's a minority, but Kyubey did say, "some desktop users manage" not all.
ivory igloo
tbh, i've seen some people animate the arms/legs and that looks actually really good on desktop. i think that might be a fun solution.
distant cedar
Is VRChat closing?
faint skiff
@distant cedar Where did you hear that?
Give me something more than "some rando in Discord" and you can have a cookie.
faint skiff
Where did he hear it?
surreal escarp
I think VRchat killed my internet
ruby burrow
Nah Bubs, that's just a dumb rumour that some edgy disgruntled crashers have started.
Lately it seems that some group of client using children have nothing better to do than to actively try and attack the game.
ivory igloo
oh because of the ban waves?
ruby burrow
Probably after they got kicked out of all the VRC subcommunities one by one, banned too many times, and then realised that paying to bounce your connection to China and back due to only being able play via a VPN is a really crappy way to play the game.
charred ember
Ok I bought a Samsung Odyssey and used forward-shipping to send it to France but now that I find VR sick I kinda wanna get an Oculus Rift S
pure hemlock
I love that people are getting banned
charred ember
Can I send my Samsung Odyssey to Amazon FR or I have to use MyUS again?
charred ember
That kinda pisses me off I've had already a bunch of taxes ๐ฆ
ivory igloo
i lowkey got banned, even tho i dont use a modded client. had no idea the banwaves were happening before that either,.
ruby burrow
Various larger sub communities have been having issues with vengeful client users, who can't accept that they deserved being kicked out, and instead blame everyone else and try to burn those communities down.
pure hemlock
You wanted to touch your boyfriends cute cat ears in game? Evil wrong-doer get banned
ivory igloo
D: !! im sorry, i wanted to touch hands
ruby burrow
It does suck that people using stuff for non-malicious means are getting swept up in things.
pure hemlock
You wanted to prevent the bad client users from force changing you into crasher or nude avatars? Get banned heretic
ivory igloo
nah, it said i was using a modified client. i dont have a modified client tho. i do use playspace mover. but i had asked around and people told me so far that that shouldnt be the problem.
ruby burrow
I also use playspace mover. That doesn't touch or modify the game in any way and is completely within ToS.
That's within Steam-VR, not VR-Chat.
ivory igloo
hmm.. then i do think it might either be a hack or someone banned me through some way when i was last online?
ruby burrow
If you've legit not been using anything else, that is strange. ๐ฆ
pure hemlock
If you were hanging out with any client users who are your friend you deserve the ban Icclo
ivory igloo
i was last online on Valentines day. and when i logged into the website i seemed to be in an avatar i dont even know.
i legit dont.
pure hemlock
Don't associate with evil people
ruby burrow
Have you ever uploaded an avatar for anyone else, or had one uploaded for you?
ivory igloo
nop. i have 2 avatars on my account. tho i dont see either of them, i hope they havent been removed. neither are malicious.
ruby burrow
Hmm. : /
ivory igloo
i added 2 avatars to my favorites list that were from an asmr world that day. but i dont like chaotic avatars and i stay well away from them.
ocean agate
Hey
ruby burrow
I was going to mention that a rarer case of ban that I've heard of, is due to uploading to other accounts than yours or vice versa, due to those IPs getting seen as being a likely alt account.
ocean agate
Iโm also new to this discord and VRChat
timber jasper
cool!, i joined to try and learn languaged in a more fun way
cursive ivy
Understandable
ruby burrow
But I can't confirm that one due to claimed cases of it being rare.
timber jasper
eu estao temtando aprender a falar portuguese (i'm trying to learn portuguese)
ivory igloo
yea, but i think it'd actually say that right? it legit states that i used a modified client.
"modified client detected"
vocal shard
alt accounts aren't forbidden though and was actually recommended to me and a few other people by a certain vrchat dev to get a music bot ingame, so 
mighty nest
New people all the time, 8.5k people on during non-prime hours. VRchat is dying btw
ruby burrow
Cool. I hope your language ambitions go well for you Loquen. ๐
timber jasper
thx! why did you join?
ivory igloo
Loquen lowkey becoming a language God.
cursive ivy
To be closer to the VRChat community
ruby burrow
I joined VRC mid 2018 after watching a load of videos, and simply wanting to "live the dream". xD
frosty veldt
Pretty sure logging in as other people only comes up as a problem if one of them gets banned because their account is linked to all hardware logged in
So if you upload an avatar for someone else and they get banned your computer can be seen as an alt account or smthn
ivory igloo
i've send an email telling them ive never used a modified client and that i dont mind waiting out the ban period. but to be safe i'd like to change my password nontheless. so im waiting for a reply on that.
cursive ivy
I'm seeing less desktop users than vr now. I've just started playing again after a year and yeah I can second that it's dying.
ruby burrow
@verbal pike Oh yeah, of course. I said that poorly. Alt accounts are fine and not against the rules. The issue is that if one account is banned, and it looks like someone is ban evading by using another, that one would then get banned also.
frosty veldt
Vrchat has more players than it ever has before. Not really 'dying'
cursive ivy
I'm seeing less, probably because I like the world's with less people lmao
charred ember
No where dying lol
faint skiff
@vocal shard Tupper himself said he has like a dozen alts, so..
vocal shard
what's dying ?
snow wadi
The people who say "VRChat is dying" are the same people who got caught in the bad wave.
ruby burrow
VRC's population has only been going up lately.
faint skiff
Alt accounts are a bit creepy though.
charred ember
The more time goes, the more people will have VR headsets and the game will eventually blow up
sharp belfry
I'm seeing less, probably because I like the world's with less people lmao
@cursive ivy Everyone is in private worlds. Cuz Public got cancer of all the portal dropper, crashers
ivory igloo
i think it looks like its dying because there are more worlds to explore so theres less people around.
frosty veldt
I just have an alt to upload publics on
ruby burrow
We're at just under 9000 users right now, on a Tueday during an off peak time.
vocal shard
vrchat ? the average player base has been going up since 2 years ago, stop pulling random rumors from your ass
charred ember
VRchat is actually growing, and it will never stop probably
ruby burrow
Peak numbers a year ago used to be more like 7000 on a Saturday night.
charred ember
The more common VR headsets will get, the better that is for VRchat
vocal shard
how is an alt account creepy ?
cursive ivy
Yeah I can understand that. In my last week of playing, I've only met 2 or 3 non toxic people
ivory igloo
Pug mostly for me. i frequent it the most if im in public. uuh.. last time i was there, there were some people erping in public tho.
cursive ivy
The Pug, La Barista, RoTR and that wip beatsaber map
vocal shard
don't go to the super popular worlds if you don't want to see crashers
ivory igloo
i go to the 20+ lobbies tho.
ruby burrow
Yeah, I've not been active in publics for most of this year (simply due to having too big a network of people I already know outside them), but I have heard that they've lately became a warzone of crashers and client abusers again.
vocal shard
why do you think that crashers go into the fullest lobbies ?
cursive ivy
I normally go for 10 - 16
ivory igloo
easier to hide in
cursive ivy
Hah
sharp belfry
don't go to the super popular worlds if you don't want to see crashers
@vocal shard That should'nt be the solution, there need to be fixes against this. Its like " dont to to crowded places if you dont want to be attacked by terrorists ". I go there even if the risk is there. But in games there are ways to block this- and this need to happen ASAP.
ruby burrow
More victims to upset in the high pop worlds = More bricks for brains rejects heading there to play with their clients.
There does need to be fixes for this. Very badly. I entirely agree on that.
frosty veldt
@sharp belfry You cant assume the devs will fix things. You have to take things into your own hands if you want change
vocal shard
I never said it was a solution, just saying if you are tired of getting crashed or only finding toxic people, don't go into the popular worlds
rancid flame
If you have your safety settings on you are safe from 90% of the people who try to crash
ruby burrow
Not really true anymore CrookedToe.
ivory igloo
yea. but a lot of people go through that now.
ruby burrow
Majority of crashers these days are using clients to do it via methods that are nothing to do with their avatars.
vocal shard
what's that supposed to mean scion ?
snow wadi
@frosty veldt That is the worse advice you could ever give to anyone...
ivory igloo
particle crashing isnt rlly a thing anymore. its the client crashers you should be worried about
vocal shard
most of the script kiddies using modules are getting yeeted
sharp belfry
@sharp belfry You cant assume the devs will fix things. You have to take things into your own hands if you want change
@frosty veldt If you do that, you need to breake the ToS and become one of those "evil persons" by the systems. I dont know which way of detecting this stuff the game has, but it cannot decide if your module is just to protect yourself or harm others. So the systems does what it it supposed to to, and bans a modified client- even if its to protect yourself.
vocal shard
since those smoothbrains are all using the same garbage that got shared around
ivory igloo
this is true. most are using the same script
vocal shard
people that made their own clients and didn't share it around will still be using those but they won't get banned either since they usually don't randomly crash entire lobbies h24
ivory igloo
just wish people werent so malicious in the first place.
vocal shard
people are malicious in every online game
cursive ivy
Yeah
ivory igloo
sadly.
vocal shard
it's more apparent in vrchat because it's super easy to do
sharp belfry
We're humans- thats deep in our nature. Not everyone does that, but everyone had once the feeling of doing such stuff. (Non game related or game related, depends always)
cursive ivy
Games are easier to be malicious in
vocal shard
i dunno why everyone's always talking about modded client users being toxic and how they deserve the bans. i mean, yeah, they violated against the tos but do note that lots of wholesome mod users got banned while lots of toxic mod users did not
speak for yourself, sociopath
ivory igloo
met a dude, who was clearly hacking and very happy about it too. was bragging about it and all. hated them so much. just joinked avatars he liked and was very big talk. it was actually the first time i saw a bad client user.
snow wadi
No one should be using modded clients. PERIOD.
faint skiff
Looks like most the crashers and changers are in places like Murder, Werewolf and Room with the Rain. Pug is surprisingly safe(ish) these days.
vocal shard
fusl, whatever system they are using to find modded clients, it doesn't care about good or bad
snow wadi
Don't try to sugar coat this.
vocal shard
it's a modified one ? then it's a ban, simple as that
I don't agree with it but it make sense why they are doing it like that
not defending modded clients here btw but this ban wave is a no go. you either ban no client users at all or you ban ALL client users, but you dont just ban the people that use a well known, wholesome client mod just because you couldnt detect the other toxic client mods
vocal shard
dont tell me what to do
ivory igloo
is it making you "cringe"?
snow wadi
There's nothing wholesome about this at all.
vocal shard
Dunno what wholesome client you are talking about but the most popular ones definitely got some very malicious stuff in them even with the QOL changes in them
snow wadi
xD
ruby burrow
Whatever VRC is currently using to scan for modifications doesn't know what those mods do. It just sees something out of place and shows you the door.
vocal shard
@vocal shard vrcx for example. it uses the API and does not modify the client itself, but still got users banned
ivory igloo
guess i gotta be safe and reinstall vrc as well
snow wadi
It's reverse engineering and I believe it's mentioned in the ToS.
vocal shard
no
reverse engineering the api is not strictly against the tos
does it modifiy anything in the game client ?
nope
like adding new icons or menus ?
nope
its a standalone application
so it's not a modded client then
well
tell that to the vrchat team then
why would I ? they don't ban people for using the API
snow wadi
Does it access the API with granted permission from the VRC Devs?
vocal shard
got a lot of people banned for modded client detected or whatever the ban reason was
@snow wadi there's no "granted permission from the VRC Devs"
snow wadi
So no?
vocal shard
Our policy on the use of the VRChat API is "don't be malicious". This means:
- Do not submit repeated, unmetered requests. Cache data when appropriate.
- Do not request log-in information from users in any situation.
- If we detect malicious use of the API, associated accounts with the actions observed may be subject to Moderation action.
i guess we got to guess what the VRC dev's are okay with and what aint?
vocal shard
yep
viscid seal
guessing those mods had something malicious in them so everyone using that mod was included in ban wave
vocal shard
you are an absolute monkey
viscid seal
its the risk you run with doing any kind of mod
vocal shard
the fucking github is telling you that it's using a DLL injection
viscid seal
dont complain when you get banned
vocal shard
of course it's a fucking modded garbage
cursive ivy
There should be a modification approval thing where devs review mods and deem them fine or malicious
snow wadi
What Lakuza just said +1
vocal shard
@vocal shard the "fucking github" also tells you you can remove the dll
snow wadi
Also hai @viscid seal โค๏ธ
vocal shard
so it's obviously going to lead to a ban, the guy itself is telling
viscid seal
hey ๐
vocal shard
In detail, VRChatRPC.DLL accesses the VRChat Process (DLL Injection) and calls the Steam API to obtain the Login Token. This may lead to BAN from VRChat.
snow wadi
If it really wasn't a problem, the ban wave would not have picked them up. Clearly, something DID happen.
vocal shard
I don't understand why you are surprised about this
viscid seal
excuse is "because other toxic mod users exist"
vocal shard
VRChatRPC.DLL is used to login VRChat via your Steam account. (If you press the Steam login button on the login page)
If you don't need to login via Steam, VRChatRPC.DLL will not be used.
but i guess you cant read
will not be used
as in, it wont even be loaded
And I'm guessing that you got some friend that got banned because they were running around with clients and you are now salty about it
viscid seal
might not be used but could still be referenced in the mod
ruby burrow
But if that DLL is present in your install directory when the scan comes round...
ruby burrow
It's not going to know if it's being used, or what it's being used for.
snow wadi
Why can't people just login normally and play normally and act normally without the use of third party software? Is that too much to ask for?
viscid seal
XD
sharp belfry
They do not scan your local computer..
cursive ivy
Exactly
ruby burrow
It just knows it's capable of being used for malicious purposes.
And how many people modding their game to get a friends list refresh button are actually reading all the fine print?
vocal shard
@vocal shard i'm not salty about the bans. again, its against the tos. i'm salty that they seemingly only banned the ones that they were able to detect and did not ban the toxic ones
viscid seal
I have a nuke, but i'm using it for wholesome reasons so dont arrest me
vocal shard
how do you know that they don't scan it ?
cursive ivy
LMAO
vocal shard
they did ban the toxic ones, what are you talking about ?
ruby burrow
How are they supposed to ban the ones they can't detect? <_>
vocal shard
they obviously didn't ban everyone
snow wadi
@viscid seal LMAO
frosty veldt
If people assumed me saying "take things into your own hands" as using a client you should probably just relax. More so avoid large publics, be in friends+ worlds, don't confront people with clients, ect
cursive ivy
How are they supposed to ban the ones they can't detect? <_>
ivory igloo
"ah yes. i cant see these people. lets ban them"
snow wadi
That's also like a murderer running around stabbing people and saying "Don't worry! I'm on your side!"
vocal shard
you are not taking anything into your own hands then, you are just avoiding them entirely
frosty veldt
I don't like any client use because it feels like concealed carry
cursive ivy
Hahaha
frosty veldt
Chosing how you play the game is taking things into your own hands yes
vocal shard
but you don't choose it
since you have to avoid a huge part of the game because of other users
frosty veldt
Just depends on the person. I never said this stuff wasn't a problem but I doubt it will be addressed any time soon.
sharp belfry
how do you know that they don't scan it ?
@vocal shard That would be not legal. (at least in my state) They are not allowed to look into your computer files. They can look in the files on VRChat and on any stuff injecting in the running process of the game and anything related to the game files- but as I see this software, it has not to be installed into the game files and can be placed anywhere- even on another system. (Talking about that VRCX the one guy linked above) Otherwise, they would act like a virus on your system. And I do not think they have implemented an Directory Scan yet, but im not sure. Nothing is written in the past changelogs.
vocal shard
so it's just speculation on your part ?
sharp belfry
Same as other anti cheat software in tripple A games
No, thats how anti chat software works.
devout berry
What the hell? Another person tries to be a lawyer to the "non malicious mods"?
ivory igloo
devout berry
I think, they are too soft! You get days for warning on modded client?!
I think it should be instant permanent IP ban!
sharp belfry
Who are you talking to @devout berry ?
ivory igloo
i mean.. if i got instant perma ip ban'd for something i didnt do i'd be very mad.
vocal shard
^
devout berry
Ok.
cursive ivy
"Who are you talking to?"
"Ok."
ivory igloo
and sending them an email stating "hey i didnt do this".. i dont think that'd work...
vocal shard
it's rampa, ignore him if you don't want to bother with a big language barrier
ivory igloo
why would they believe me?
devout berry
Ban appeals are ignored all the time.
ivory igloo
aah
sharp belfry
Dunno, thought he meant me because he wrote that after my post @vocal shard
I just write my thought about that topic and don't defend anything, just try to understand how the system works
ivory igloo
hmm, i can understand that. lol. im not rlly good at defending my topic's tbh.
devout berry
Heard form people on OSU being innocent, still banned for nothing. A ton of appeal mails. Ignored.
sharp belfry
OSU ?
cursive ivy
Well that's osu
vocal shard
@sharp belfry be careful. "try to understand how the system works" may count as reverse engineering :P
devout berry
@sharp belfry You are forbidden from studying the system - clause on reverse engineering applies even without decompilation!
vocal shard
but if you /really/ want to know
sharp belfry
ยฟ
vocal shard
I hope both of you are joking
here in austria we have this right of, we can decompile and reverse engineer whatever the f*** we want to, as long as we dont use it in that same system where the original thing was supposed to be used
because you are completely beside the point
devout berry
Who, Svel?
cursive ivy
Stop! You violated the law!
vocal shard
you rampa
sharp belfry
I do not study the system- I'm utter shit in programming tbh. I mean on a logical way, not practical way
devout berry
I am just having one of my outburst rants. DO NOT mind me!
cursive ivy
Does he do this a lot?
devout berry
You are not studying code, but the inner workings.
That is also reverse engineering.
sharp belfry
How old are you may I ask @devout berry ?
devout berry
20
vocal shard
almost every day
sharp belfry
Okay, are you trolling with me atm or is that just you ?
vocal shard
that's just him
devout berry
Got scolded for asking how in the hell self crashers are even possible.
vocal shard
again, ignore him if you can't deal with someone that super pedantic and doesn't understand sarcasm and irony
cursive ivy
Lmao
sharp belfry
Alright, good to know @vocal shard
devout berry
My psychologist said something about asperger. I am just like this. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
vocal shard
I'm not saying this to be mean, it's actually what I observed over the few last weeks and i'm not the only one that thinks that
that's fine rampa
cursive ivy
Yep
vocal shard
but not everyone can deal with that type of personality and thinking
nothing wrong with that, it's just how it is
cursive ivy
I'm the type of person that is absolutely not compatible with that type
ivory igloo
i dont mind Rampa. they dont seem that bad.
cursive ivy
Same, I can respect him
devout berry
But really, those hackers are really pi**ing me of!
ivory igloo
Rampa seems like a smart. very invested as well. would be a very good dude to do work.
hello english, welcome back.
devout berry
Fighting fire with fire is not the best way there, cuz legal consequences.
vocal shard
just gonna leave that here and gonna grab some popcorn
Directive 2009/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 April 2009 on the legal protection of computer programs
(15) The unauthorised reproduction, translation, adaptation or transformation of the form of the code in which a copy of a computer program has been made available constitutes an infringement of the exclusive rights of the author. Nevertheless, circumstances may exist when such a reproduction of the code and translation of its form are indispensable to obtain the necessary information to achieve the interoperability of an independently created program with other programs. It has therefore to be considered that, in these limited circumstances only, performance of the acts of reproduction and translation by or on behalf of a person having a right to use a copy of the program is legitimate and compatible with fair practice and must therefore be deemed not to require the authorisation of the rightholder. An objective of this exception is to make it possible to connect all components of a computer system, including those of different manufacturers, so that they can work together. Such an exception to the author's exclusive rights may not be used in a way which prejudices the legitimate interests of the rightholder or which conflicts with a normal exploitation of the program.
(17) The provisions of this Directive are without prejudice to the application of the competition rules under Articles 81 and 82 of the Treaty if a dominant supplier refuses to make information available which is necessary for interoperability as defined in this Directive.
rancid compass
Hey everyone quick question. Anyone else got the zephoria thing. Was locked outta my account for like a couple hours beforw u figured out how to bypass it. Just wondered if it was commen
ivory igloo
i will punsh you heaven.
cursive ivy
Oh no
sharp belfry
just gonna leave that here and gonna grab some popcorn
Directive 2009/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 April 2009 on the legal protection of computer programs
@vocal shard What have you done. Grabs pepsi and sunglasses
devout berry
Were you in room of the rain?
cursive ivy
I am a scared
rancid compass
Ye rampa
sharp belfry
Hey everyone quick question. Anyone else got the zephoria thing. Was locked outta my account for like a couple hours beforw u figured out how to bypass it. Just wondered if it was commen
@rancid compass Did you fixed it? On the VRChat Webpage, there is a button to reset your avatar. But what do you mean with "locked out of your account"?
devout berry
๐คฆโโ๏ธ
The VRChat community written a warning post on that place on VRChat reddit. DO NOT go in this world's public instances - they attack there most!
@sharp belfry Probably an instant crash.
ivory igloo
the rain room?
rancid compass
Soft locked. Anytimr i loaded in i crashed. And ye i fixed it im on steam so i had to use the ctrl / command
sharp belfry
@devout berry I think so too, but if he says locked out it could mean he wasn't able to login. Just to clarify things.
cursive ivy
You know what would suck? A client that modified the other people's client. Instead of "Haha! Now you all are a Ugandan knuckles!" It would be "Haha! Now you all can fly!"
ivory igloo
"haha now you're all banned"
cursive ivy
Yep exactly
ivory igloo
virus version would be that it'd infect other clients as well.
cursive ivy
What if someone makes a mod that resets modded clients?
ivory igloo
yes pls
sharp belfry
@rancid compass Ye. There is no 100% way to protect yourself now from the current VRChat build. You need to be careful in public lobbies or play in private / friends+. Sadly but yet there is no official announcement for a protect system against this.
cursive ivy
Like a vigilante, a sacrifice. "Haha! You won't get banned! But oh shit I will!"
devout berry
@cursive ivy @ivory igloo You cannot infect the game trough any means - API is just pure information exchange and programming, outside of Udon is banned from worlds and avatars. So, I see no way.
ivory igloo
aww. ๐ฆ
cursive ivy
We could use that fabled "client modding mod" to mod clients to that other mod removing mod and be like a suicide bomb of bans and mods
Plague inc but with mods in vrchat
ivory igloo
VRinc
cursive ivy
Yes lmao
devout berry
I hope you are joking.
devout berry
You must be joking - this is too easy to catch. But if not, you just broadcasted your plan to the community, which means who will be reported on a banwave where users did nothing bad.
ivory igloo
i would never be malicious to VRC i like it too much
cursive ivy
Yeah same
ivory igloo
i would lose my Harem.
ivory igloo
Heaven too adorable to hurt VRC
vocal shard
He is using a modified client to change your avatar to a self-crash
ivory igloo
oooh, so it is possible
vocal shard
I strongly suggest making a vrchat account so if the ctrl + / command doesn't work for some reason, you can still reset your avatar on the website
devout berry
They will spoof a request to make the API think you activated an avatar pedestral. It is nicely visible in the output logs.
ivory igloo
oof
devout berry
Btw spoof is closest to fake used in the sentence here. IT security jargon.
vocal shard
that zephoria guy also made a video on his youtube channel crashing a lobby
still isn't banned even tho he gave the proof himself
ivory igloo
yuck.
devout berry
Zephoria is SOB!
ivory igloo
sob? is that an acronym?
ivory igloo
ooh. thanks
brisk bone
I like how someone literally posts EU law.
vocal shard
i think ?
cursive ivy
Yep
ivory igloo
ye they did.
vocal shard
EU law for something based in US
devout berry
I didn't want to say it straight, but you blew it Svel! ๐คฃ
brisk bone
Without recognizing the fact that if you feel VRChat breaches EU law. Go ahead and take it up in court.
ivory igloo
imagine taking VRchat to EU court.
languid citrus
wait is there a way for 2018 unity project to work on the latest public release?
vocal shard
well you thought wrong
devout berry
?
How you think you can mix two incompatible software releases?
vocal shard
I'll have to confiscate your knee caps, sorry about that
languid citrus
nuuuu
ruby burrow
A self crashing avatar is one of the most trivial things possible to make, and also the first kind of "crasher" anyone ever made. Usually something someone discovers by accident in Unity.
I made one once, purely out of a badly designed rigid body, whilst trying to make a mo-ped for my avatar.
The day someone figured out how to reliably make those crashes local only to someone else, rather than to themselves/everyone, is when crashing as we know it was born.
vocal shard
and we don't know yet if you'll have to re-upload everything
it's better to do it to be on the safer side tho
I remember when it was born
the fucking guy that made the first prefab showed it to me and fucking hit the ground with his sword and crashed the lobby because it wasn't local at first
fucking monkeys
ruby burrow
The difference with the current trick is that crashers are now forcing people into those janky avatars instead.
Which means there's nothing you can block.
Unrelatedly... Bugger... I dropped my fork on the carpet. <_>
Now I have to go wash it.
ivory igloo
clean your carpet and fork
vocal shard
you don't make soup out of your food to safely drink it with a straw ? pathetic
snow wadi
@brisk bone I'm still trying to figure out what trouble people are having about not using a third party software.
vocal shard
@snow wadi 
snow wadi
Jamie! โค๏ธ
vocal shard
it's justified because it's only to improve their own experience and doesn't bother other users since the devs are not fixing anything
snow wadi
vocal shard
there, that's the logic used by most
ivory igloo
yeh i guess
devout berry
@snow wadi You know the saying, that when you forbid child to do something, they will almost on 100% do?
indigo fern
Who says that
snow wadi
You think I don't know that? I take care of alot of children when the relatives are too busy and trust me, I know.
devout berry
I think it is this. Waving the ban threat in front of their noses just make them do it and flex that they weren't caught yet doing bad stuff.
vocal shard
i forbid you from sleeping, you are not allowed to sleep anymore
Ez mind trick with children
taking care of children is so easy
broken plover
The sleep paralysis demon: 
devout berry
How many hacking buttholes were there until they they explicitly said that it is forbidden?
snow wadi
Nico! โค๏ธ