#vrchat-general-2
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You do all the rest outside of VR beforehand, that's where you're going wrong.
not sure what the percentage is of people who get it perfect the way they want it first export
vs the ones that are like, its not perfect but i dont wanna export again
Oh, and don't forget that other people can interact with your dynamic bones, one of the most requested features ever, lol. So when someone walks behind me, my tail swirls Infront of them, or you can brush a foxes tail around, etc.
Well the amount of users that actually makes avatars and cares about them functioning right is from what i ahve seen low as shit
not just smack it around either, you can straight up grab them too
Because boy there are plenty of avatars that just require one or two button presses to look a fair bit better that dont get done at all
while we were just chillin some guy was applying dynamic bones to me, i always find it funny when other people are just like, lemme fix you in game
he was looking at me under the hood 😳
World loading is a massive thing too, worlds load almost immediately then stuff loads in around you. The time you spend waiting is like 3 seconds, as opposed to long loading screens between every transition. It made such a difference on my trash connection.
thats a cool thing too yea, kinda like lavenders elevator loading with other people
but you know, not a fuckin elevator lmao
i like that when you swap worlds it saves your position in the previous world
Also everything is asseted, so if that person then changes that world and I go back, it only has to load what was added or changed, not the whole world again. Or if worlds share any assets, you've already got them from the other world, etc.
I went to a non winter version of a map the other night and I literally didn't have to load anything as it was the same map, but just without the snow and snowflakes.
So it was like yup you've got all these meshes and textures. All done.
i dont like that when host leaves the world is just closed, they have those headless servers, but it doesnt help when im just in my own place dicking around and the whole game joins me
Is neos still a remix/share based system?
where if you make something, its automatically shared with everyone that wants it
Only if you want it to be, afaik
you can private avatars and things you make im pretty sure
ah ok
I'm assuming you can private worlds then?
but keep them public for visiting?
yea, you can turn off others ability to edit or touch it
And you can make them private, invite only, lan only, friends only, etc, give different permissions to different groups of people, etx
The fact I lost internet and didn't get kicked off the game either, as well as retaining my position in all the rooms was nice too.
oh i see, I assumed it was remix only so I stayed away from it
still not really interested in it though
especially with the small playerbase, not gonna spend months making a world only for 30 people to play it possibly
maybe not for creation in your case, but its still worth checking out just to see how it is
Understandable, my annoyance just stems from how limited VRC is and the amount of longstanding issues and complete lack of any QOS fixes.
fair enough, the devs are pretty stacked with the amount of work they have
and they are prioritising unity 2018 + udon right now first
gearbell is on neos pretty often, every now and then i see them on the public list
nah, they have a channel in the server that lists all the public instances and whos in them, its really easy to look if you want to log on
2018 doesn't actually seem to bring us any improvements (them tweaking the IK is separate) and Udon is a disappointment due to the fact it's still missing so many basics and existing worlds can't use it.
So basically the only thing anyone will see with the new update is better IK and that's basically it.
udon is
what's udon
i know for you specifically udon was dead when you were told you cant just easily port a sdk2 world to sdk3, since youve been working on one before it
i want food
ykno...still in alpha
What, wih 2500 existing outstanding requests, requesting anything ever seems like a complete waste of time.
only i mean it is quite a good change that's done with the IK 😄
Most of them are trash requests tbh
Oh wow, they unbroke the IK which in itself was just a regression from last year anyway...
if your request is good enough, they'll take it into consideration
dont forget its just a fix for a bad net ik they themselves put in lmao
Pepohappy
widePeepoHappy
To be fair people seem to forget how bad 2017 is compared to what we have e
before cameras the game was gud
yeah, we couldn't have 70+ world in 2017
we can have 80 player worlds and be at 30 frames
so there were some good things about 2018
and unity 2018 seems to improve Ik more
I mean it's debatable that we can now given the performance. I wouldn't say 20fps on a 2080Ti is really acceptable...
you probably can, i constantly hear people saying how at com meetups they have like 80 ghosts walking around anyway
lakuza got that god pc
i have a 2011 model cpu
Before even 20 was pushing it
Overall we've come pretty far in terms of performance
i actually think the performance rank shaming helped with some of it lmao
Unfortunately theres enough eboys now and people just reupping from vrcm that rooms are full of terrible performance avatars again.
lol never understand why some have so many Dynamic bones i have 6 and my avatar looks pretty good everything moving
Lots of people complaining about performance, but there have been instances where everyone actually had performant avatars the world easily holds 60+ people
i don't even have any dynamic bones :o
depends how long your hair is too, for shorter hair i have like 2
@wary hollow Think about it
I have 0 dynamic bones too, I have gotten people question why I would opt to not have it.
hmmm but still i see people with hundred + @faint skiff what could be the reason other then just having too many
Not gonna lie I'm waiting for 2018 build so badly
in the cases of the ones with hundreds, thats just poor optimization
i miss the old world review form
like some mmd long hairs have a shit ton of bones because they literally werent made for realtime
seeing the reasons why worlds were rejected back then
the public forms were godly
and the comments from reviewers were like 1000 dynamic bone collisions on avatars
I loved going trough that form back then
yeh, i just don't have any cause my model doesn't really need them? tbf it's the model in my pfp so i doubt it could use any hair dynamic bones but there's a few parts that could have them that i'm just too lazy to add it to lol
I miss it too
"not lag free, i had to pay for it"
We'd have so much trash filtered
XD
What, you mean you don't want 200 different copies of THE BOX uploaded?
btw i dont remember exactly but was it in 2018 you can interact with people dynamic bones and now u cant
you could never
uh?
oh, with that airship kareeda ye
yeah ^_^
o kareeda, yeh
hmmmm
some of my friends had cross avatar interactions, like you could slap ass with a sound, automatically with no gesture
i saw people do it still but asking them they said modded client so hmmm
well thats the popular method now i guess
before there was a method without that tho
it's disgusting how far people go and how the abuse of such things in a sexual way skyrocket once they exist.
Hmm?
it wasn't friendly for worlds anyways
people like pleasuring themselves, whoa crazy
objects would get knocked over so easy
makes sense
and trigger enter triggers etc
its best used to touch people hair
People will always be assholes, it's best to deal with them than nerf the few features the game has.
Users literally have no way to interact with each other and most world interation is painfully obviously fake.
sadly that will effect people who dont use it in bad intentions @faint skiff
everything is a hacky workaround tbhonest
devs have said in future they want to have some form of player interaction in future
so its on the cards, just not the priority atm
its in the cards and they have a whole deck in their hand
yup 🙂
and still manage to go fish
could be nice if ur controller touches a person at certain speed like a punch it vibrates
Oh mo
that should be doable with udon now anyways
VRChat's entire world functionality is hacky workarounds, look at pretty much every prefab, it's a nightmarish mess of trigger nonsense.
yeah its confined to a world though
I'm honestly amazed anything works, but what does work always feels fake due to the jank introduced through how it all has to be implemented.
and not something you can take into somewhere like the pug and mess up everything
"On the cards" means somewhere between the distant future and never...
ok
Sorry, I've just become disenchanted with it all lately. Repeatedly hitting walls and dealing with hack on hack, as well as glacial changes and improvements of what could have been something great.
Visit the Quantum box
I only like worlds that visually look nice
Then you should avoid the quantum box as it is a world that messes with player positions as a joke
so you dont like my world :<
I dont even like my world
cyan's version of the box when 😭
That ones fun
the best version XD
Lol, its fun to mess with when you kind of know how it works
"Hey everyone I'm going to drop a portal"
I've not heard of that world
Yeah its peptron's using wall walking bugs
i am roy
I wanna meet more ppl but too shy
nice, will have to check that out. We could go there on world hop too maybe if it supports enough players 🤔
I think so
World hops are nice
I don't think its possible for me to spend time on something that is just a cube x_x It would end up having a lot of feature creep
throw in a boss battle in there because why not
max player cap is 40
its 80 thoretically
yes
Is VRChat Heaven a deliberate crash world? I remember being warned about it when I first started but never got confirmation.
I wish I had a few people more to hang around with on other times
Paci you could hang out in a corner at events until you are ready to talk to people or people start talking to you.
^
@pale timber you get any sleep?
some
anyone else get numb toes from standing in vrchat for more than an hour?
@molten gale I know how you feel :c
@wispy ether
yeah, getting out of your comfort zone is hard, i have yet to truly start being social in worlds and stuff. so it's a learning curve and you'll eventually get accustomed to it ❤️
Problem is I have 300 friends and dunno how I got em
same LOL
i have around 250 friends and most of them don't even remember who i am cause i didn't play for a while
i usually play in the afternoon lol
mainly cause my tracking fucks up in the day, cause it's so light in my room
F
i've tried loads of things, but none of it seems to work when i try in the day lol. everything starts freakin' out
Most my friends are american or have bad sleep cycles so I have nobody on during the day 
eh, i try getting on in the day sometimes but my tracking is just like No.
get curtains, stupid
What headset are you using
I should shower
you have any large mirrors in the room?
Well damn Paci i only have like 8! XD
don't have any mirrors although i have a few other monitors
I took down my 2 small mirrors and all my tracking problems disappeared
also, HTC Vive
Vive too
Shouldn't be getting tracking issues with the vive regardless of light
Unless you have some weird ir inteference somehow
i have like 3 reflective monitors in my VR space so i just got 3 coats and put them all on the different monitors lol
see if that works
reflective stuff is usually the issue with the vive it seems
but it's easier to fix
can anyone help me make a very simple custom avatar i just wanna add a hat to kemrit the frog
you can ask help in the #avatars-2-general channel
thx
I found the solution recently to making friends in VRChat. Wear a very lewd avatar in full body tracking and shake your butt to dance music in random public worlds. Everyone will love you. Oh and make sure your avatar has butt physics.
Not sure those people are likely to be... friends...
Only half of them tried to sexually assault my avatar
Hard agree with Enverex
If I shove them all into the friend zone, they're my friends right?
^
Me- tries to be social in a medium sized world
My 1060 3gb- nope
mine works fine
Same here
I used to run VRChat on a 970 like ~2+ years ago. Wasn't too too bad
Graphics card is important, but a cpu is much more important -a guy with a 1050ti
well not when i have a 2011 cpu
2020 I'm getting a new PC, one with cpu from the second half of the 2010's decade.
Beginnin next year ill have saved up enough money to buy a pc with the best currently available parts
alguien habla español :v?
is it possible to use something like fake fbt for OpenVR Advanced Settings to drag myself around without my body to be glued to the ground?
Yes there are playspace movers that have a fake fbt option
I ran a 1060 3GB just "fine" most of the time.
It definitely wasnt unplayable tho and I'd rank that as anything less than a consistent 45FPS. I only blocked animations as well.
my gpu is worse than a 1050ti and its rarely at 100% while playing vrchat. My cpu is a bottleneck though
@broken plover you know one?
It really depends on the world.
Very true even now I tend not to hang out in crappy worlds
@regal furnace get your character to be un-grounded (e.g. jumping repeatedly) and you can move up and down however you want, even without fbt.
Good trick to stay ungrounded is open the settings menu while jumping and then move around
But yeah the old input emulator let you do this and other cool stuff... sadly it is no longer maintained and you need some patches to get it working if it even still works
thats what i was afraid of, too much trouble to do simple stuff... maybe i'll get myself a 360 Kinect soon (I only have a 180° setup anyways)
is there an extra adapter needed to connect it with pc?
Lately I've been having fun turning into the giant transformer avatar and freaking people out (but in a silly way not a toxic way)
I feel bad sometimes but tbh if someone says it bothers them I turn into a tiny ferret instead
Did anyone have constant memory leak issues trying to hang out in public new years square maps on new years eve? Like every 30 minutes VRChat would consume all my RAM and I'd have to reboot it.
that's a vrchat issue in general
You can do garbage collection by going home twice in a row, should clear RAM used by avatars at least
Ello everyone.
I learned the hard way not to spend too long in the pug
So Many avatars eats up my ram and slowly kills me pc
That's basically most of these big worlds
The Pug absolutely destroys me every time.
I'll return there when I upgrade my PC. But for now I avoid it like the plague. Even when I get invited there.
I enjoy playing with friends in private worlds it’s nice to just chill and hang out
Going to the pug in a friends+ instance is really nice. The creator of that map has spent a lot of time optimizing it.
Yeah it’s a nice map no doubt
Oh yeah it's not the map it's the players
Disabling Very Poor avatars also helps
Eh I like seeing avatars
Me too. Hence me wanting to upgrade. My graphics card might be fine I think? But I really wanna upgrade to a good i7 over my i5 processor.
Public instances tend to never die so errors from worlds or unity tend to stack up forever. So really popular worlds tend to have that problem.
it’s sometimes nice to get into a public world and no one is in it, it’s like a calm before the storm
I like being in public worlds. To me that's part of the essence of the game. Private worlds are fine I guess but when i get on and I see all my friends in private worlds I like going to public ones to meet new people and see the hilarity that this game is.
Yeah vrchat wouldn’t be vrchat without it’s public worlds
I spend a lot of my time at the vrchat hub tbh
the rubber ring things are so funny if you put someone in there and throw them across the map
I do too. A lot of newbies go there so I like meeting them and helping them out.
As long as the right people are in the world it’s fun to be in any world
@onyx compass you can fling yourself too XD
yes i do that a lot
Sadly some of the really cool worlds out there when i join with friends I get lag spikes. I really need to upgrade x.x but I'm glad I can play at all.
Does clearing cache help at all in game?
Especially in VR. It's funny, I've spent the most time on this game and I've paid money for my other vr games. Hell my most expensive vr game I barely play.
Protip on the rubber rings. Get in one, then grab your own ring. Enjoy.
Cus I check after long sessions and it’s like 7gb and I clear it and the game seems to run a bit better after
I always feel left out when most people use a vr headset and im not
How do I clear the cache?
settings
Performance
Oh right there's an option in game
yeah
Thanks lol
If anyone wants to play with me, my username is KHMB
Don’t feel left out on desktop, my one friend is in desktop and we have just as much fun
now i know im not the only one that has problems of leak memory lol
it's probably more fun on a headset but equally as fun on a keyboard i hope
seeing 48GB of ram full is like " BRUH"
oh yeah
My desktop friend has 400+ hours, I think you’re good @onyx compass
the fucking memory leaks make me want to shoot myself
Lol man I need to check my cache then
its fun on a keyboard, but more fun on vr
I only got 3 hours, but it seems like so much more
it is more fun but you still get the experience somewhat on desktop
VR is way better but lately annoying for me only because one of my base stations is out.
I have played 200h in desktop
The only thing Ur missing out on is moving your arms
:/ I guess if I play seated it will be okay but I like to play standing since I have fbt
i played like 3000hours on desktop before getting a VR, and i barely use it
It's a lot more than moving your arms. There's just a sense of presence you can't replace on desktop. If you care about that sort of thing that is.
yeah
its called lnext level lazyness
A few people are like that. Some end up selling their headsets.
ebag does that too
I get nauseous by playing on desktop
🗿
FOV is so weird
well i suffer constant motion sickness due to an injury on my ear cannal
Wait. Nausea from desktop??
yeah
Is VR better?
I love how you can put the snowman head on someones head with vr
I've never heard of someone getting motion sickness from desktop mode...
That's interesting. How is VR play for you then?
i do
VR gives me proper FOV so I don't get nauseous
I don't play games usually without FOV sliders
Ahh
but the FOV on desktop is stupid lol
the only way i don't get motion sickness is playing drunk, im a special case
you can change it cant you?
i don't think so?
hm, i thought you could, strange
Nope. Maybe it could be a feature in the future? If people have suggested it.
I think it'd be a good idea
Actually there's something I'd like to put in the suggestion box myself...
forever stuck on canny
go ahead and post it :)
time to make an attempt again
at making my own avatar
all mmd bases are just so fucking skinny I don't like it
im gonna play some now
You looking for the thicc girls?
I meant Jon lol
sup guys what's cooking?
Ah someone has my suggestion already! 🙂
O. Miku and friends (ie TDA) are all slim
Im down
@fresh pulsar just chattin'. How's you?
@gray citrus ima good i think bro
I was about to say I've seen thiccified tda bases before but I wasn't sure where source was
why do they have to put nipples on the avatars
Some people like really complete models I guess.
Oof, just get some sandpaper and smooth em out
oww
anyone wanna play
@gray citrus ima go sub to your youtube chanel
no thanks 
Probably not too difficult to remove it from the texture at least. I think that would be good enough
o.o oh
Well I mean, if you like the content go ahead. Don't sub just for the sake of giving me a sub lol
😕
@gray citrus nah man just saw all your vids i like it
Oh, well thank you! I've had a bit of a hiatus from the channel due to technical difficulties but once I get my vr fixed I should be back to making videos!
@gray citrus ok dude keep up the good work and someday maybe ill play VR Chat again
What do they mean with morphable lol
bruh
this base has a goddamn vagina
omg
Why do they do this to the good bases
just edit it out
couldn't seperate the model by the materials anyway
select verts and delete
blender gives me brain tumors
Yeah they'll have those too. A lot of them.
I guess some people like attention to detail.
And other reasons... XD
Learn to be blender's friend.
blender is lit tbh
I like blender. I just don't know how to make stuff lol
i don't know how to make stuff but I don't like the program altogether
very beginner unfriendly
the only way I think I could learn how to use blender is by like watching someone making an avatar from start to finish
Uhhh, yeah blender's not the friendliest to beginners yeah but there's a TON of tutorials out there
Haven't found a good yet for making avatars
wow thanks for showing me the scale tool and showing me how to make an ugly avatar
I learned how to use blender by watching a tutorial of how to 3D model from scratch in blender
Yes. And then I made a toast
I'm kinda only interested in making an ok frankenstein'd avatar
Those tutorials show you the basics of how to add and edit vertices and all that kind of stuff
never been a design type of dude
but public avatars are either:
- shit for fbt
- ugly
- looks like a pornstar
ikr
Filn's are cute
need to look harder. I have used a few fbt avatars that don't check any of those boxes.
I will give you that I do see that trend.
Idk I want a hot avatar that doesn't like an escort at the same time
I currently use one from cables
prob the one that looks the least lewd, but I like the tattoos and the thighs
Lolis are good for fbt ive found.
Enverex, I agree. I have one.
I don't like lolis sadly
I only like to headpat them
I'm not totally in love with it but it's a really good avatar and I'm very used to using the facial emotes. And everyone kinda associates me with that avatar now.
unironically the only loli that I like in any anime is koneko from highschool dxd
Just checked filn's avatars
not my thing
speaking of dxd anyone know where u can find dxd avatars? i only saw one world with issei, koneko, and rias, all but issei were private
search for dxd maybe?
The NYE world credits just got posted to twitter https://twitter.com/VRChat/status/1212865598440390656?s=20
dont worry
as you get farther into avatar creation
you start to realize how nice blender is
then you start really despising unity
So which of them were responsible for the world size and poor frame rate? Lol
i wonder if they'll post the list of people who were "contacted" but not really
🙂
but whoever caused the world to tank CPUs, fess up!
Since the vast majority of work was on the posters which are just images I don't think it was any of us who were at fault.
hey can obj files not be used in blender?
obj can be used
do you try to use the import model button from cats?
you will need to import trough blender it self
also, if it is supposed to become a avatar, OBJ are pure meshes, no armature / rig
yeah, the ones ive found dont have rigging, so I guess i need to do it manually?
yup
and I do that through blender and not unity correct?
k just want to make sure
hmmm, does it work with the newest blender or do i have to download 2.79b for cats?
@vocal shard cat's is compatible all the way up to blender 2.81
which you should be using
its literally 2020
I dont see the extra additions it adds though, like cats mmd and vr helper tabs
press n
:O
thank you, sorry I sound like a complete idiot, cant find much for tutorials on 2.81, maybe I shouldnt look for just vrchat ones and just 3d modeling in general
Is the mat combiner updated for 2.8 yet? Last I tried it it broke when trying to create multiple atlases
you could use 2.79b if you wanted to
there is a lot of guides for that one at least 😄
lol
I learned the basics of avatar stuff last night and can’t wait to make my own avatar 😳
Material combiner is updated for 2.8
well I think I did something wrong, It wont import the model from cats, but through blender it doesnt upload with texture
currently use it with 2.81
maybe i need the source tool since the model is in a source folder
2.81 isn't a big change from 2.8 so tutorials for that are still very much relevant
The biggest thing you'll see different is how the file browser looks, but it's not that far off
oh
I was in a vrchat video on YouTube, apparently
well im stuck, this model wont import from cats :\
It was on new years day, and I was doing my pennywise voice
Nop
is there something special i have to do in order to import a model that is a zip file? I doesn't seem to understand that its a model and fails to import it
extract it from the zip
blender can import objs, but they don't appear for cats
ahhh ok, so its a different process then? just import the model and texture through blender and not cats itself?
the thing is CATS is made for simple avatar import and prept not full model creation and such
also rig
yup, gotta rig it all, create shape key, and so on 
I would have to anyhow for this model, I'll go look for another one that isnt a obj and go from there
k I imported a fbx model through cats (untitled goose model) and the fix model option doesn't come up and the goose is silver
Hi guys, I have a problem with the game, when I try to enter a room I get an error 0.00% is there a solution?
this is so confusing
anyone need a friend? :'
I have no friends literally people hate me in reality
Now that is a real problem
man same ive been venturing around vrchat servers every now and then just tryna interact
@uncut mirage left shit and \
dm me if you wanna play vr chat with me
Luckily I can help you @cinder rose
where can i find black male avatars
anyone wanna play vr with me or nah
But reality i have to fight with people who hate me my life is not good hard to survive
Who has a good life in this chat?
everyone always has something wrong i guess
Tonight i was the goddess of tits and beer, it was a good night. That is all.
Egh, I just had a nightmare and woke up, now it’s like 3 AM and I dunno if I should play VR instead for now.
Random question but, can no one else make discord calls? If I get into a call with someone, they just have the green bubble 24/7, like they never stop talking. But I cant hear them, and they can't hear me.
You had a nightmare and your first thought is to play VR ? Maybe try something a little less... ya know nightmare inducing, like knitting 🙂
I wanted to have a 2-hour nap first, then spend an hour or two with my VR friends while they’re online at this time of the day/night, and then go back to sleep, like I do sometimes, but this time was a little different.
Ah, that makes a little more sense, my limited expierence with VR so far is mainly nightmare fuel
Nah, my dream wasn’t even related to VR or any of my friends at all. I don’t even know the person who was the victim of something I saw before I woke up.
Well, i'd offer a hug if i could. Maybe some milk and a cookie
I need help
Oh, thanks but I’ll pass on milk, I didn’t have the most stomach-friendly experience just now.
What’s up, Rocko?
How do I make it so people can't change to my Vrchat character?
if its your own uploaded avatar, change it to private
if it's a public avatar, disable cloning in the settings
Open your settings and look for the right entry 
Go to your VRC settings, you’ll find it there.
Ello again.
its a checkbox after you hit build and publish
No, that's the Private/Public option, which is separate to the "Allow Cloning" option in the menu
any other trans people here? :D
two people come to mind
I am not trans but there is a good sized lgbtq community on vrchat @finite peak
one isn't really active
@meager solstice cool! :))
finally got new user rank and I just downloaded some random mixamo character and put it through blender and the sdk and it actually worked this is so cool
now all I gotta do is like model my own thing
this gonna be epic
I am so friggin hyped
@lean veldt congrats have fun making ur models
thx man
I kinda wish there was more to do in vrchat
Like?
Yeah but like what?
Go to different worlds then, not the same ones over and over?
I mainly check out other worlds yea, but its not entirely fun when your like the only person there lol
That's why ya get yerself some friends
Yeah, go world hopping with friends
I mean there are games within vrchat
if you want something to do, you play a game with a goal and gameplay
I'm frequently in new worlds because we decide that we wanna go somewhere else
They're all pretty bad and most are even worse alone.
I make friends, yeah, they aren't the friends that stay tho
Alone, maybe. But there are some enjoyable games in VRChat.
Well, not all. Most are though, but the better ones are multiplayer.
Yeah but playing games in VRC together is socializing lol that's still the main point of the game
Yes ofc.
i know that, jeezums.
I was playing VRChat and the game would get kind of glitchy or laggy whatever. Like when I move my head the game screen wouldn’t follow for a few seconds kek
Kind of annoying
Does this happen to anyone else? Or..
Well I’m using VR
oh vive or oculus
Oculus rift s
Nah that’s not gonna do anything this happens like every time I play VRChat
its probably your pc then
It might, but it’s already pretty powerful 🤔
Wait does vrchat have a graphic setting
Uhhh is it that safety stuff?
mine's been stuttering a bit lately but idc
Uhh well it’s a laptop, but it has RTX 2060, intel i7 9th gen
Yeah that’s probably a better word my game like stutters >_> it’s not a big issue, but it does happen enough that I can notice it
well there you go, its on a laptop
Thats REALLY common in vr
stuttering because your on a laptop lol
I’d play on my desktop, but pretty sure my desktop does worst compared to my laptop
¯_(ツ)_/¯
list s p e c s
All I know about my desktop is it has a gtx 1060 and an i5
at least it meets the minium of the requirements
True, but isn’t my laptop better? Kek
Or would it be better to play VR on desktop
ok ima make this clear
Laptop vr with better specs then desktop - Is good, but stutters will occur here and there due to it being on a laptop. Its more of an airflow issue. Plus laptops get heated p fast.
Desktop vr - Better airflow usually, and doesn't get that hot unless if you have alot of dust in it. Its generally better for VR since stutters won't occur as much since the heat goes away due to the airflow being better then a laptops.
Desktop specs aren't even that bad, just make sure your not overdoing it by having high graphics 24/7
Just get a stand for the laptop. It doesn't even need to be one with a fan. Just something to give some space underneath it.
That’s something I’ve thought about getting, but I’d have to wait when I get more money lmao I need a Razer one
I currently have an all Razer setup laptop, mouse, headset, mouse lmao
No? My brother has a 1050 and i7-7700 in a laptop and it only stutters when someone with 100 mats comes in.
Then laptop issue.
Ok so basically VRChat is stuttering/lagging due to all the avatars and animations or something? 🤔
Plus all builds aren't the same Jak.
No, but the xps 15 is famous for power and thermal throttling (both occuring from VRM overheating)
tru
Alright so I have a Razer Blade 15 🤔
Looking at the price for that and uh
The Razer blade?
I could build a better pc with that amount of money.
But is the laptop for like work and such?
Mine?
ye
No just gaming lol
interal screaming
I mean I’ll also do school work
should've watched a tutorial on buildin a desktop
You could use a piece of plastic to give it some room underneath. Don't waste money on some branded product just to give it a few inches of space.
Actually I was originally going to build a desktop, but then I switched to getting a laptop
Because my old laptop was shit
Oof. Laptops suck. Never getting one again after my first.
Honestly I kind of like gaming laptops yeah it isn’t the same experience of a badass desktop setup but I get to bring it around d and stuff
I had the same fascination over a GaMiNg LaPtOp when i was younger too til i realized, unless you move a lot its just a waste of money
No I totally agree that desktops are better I rather have a strong desktop, but with this laptop I can bring it to school and play GTA during math class or something lmao (I do t actually do that)
My friend player csgo during class once, freeday really.
Yeah you have to imagine, what scenarios are you really gaming on the go that you need something powerful
Except he only did it so that when the bomb was planted he had it on speakers so it would be like THE BOMB HAS BEEN PLANTED.
IT HAS To be plugged in!?
Yeah if it’s not plugged in the fps just drops lmao
Like in gta I get like 200 fps but then when you u plug it, it drops to like 3
30*
The battery would last 20 minutes if it didn't do that.
Might as well get a backpack desktop case or something like that.
bruh
Anyways so uhh is VRChat one of those games where it’s always gonna have some kind of stutter or lag issues 🤔
Hm if you have a really good PC it's less likely
i barley get any stuttering issues
if i do its because its some edge-kid spamming his effects with rap music
It’s just so hard to tell if it’s the computer or the headset
Mine is like, mid grade so I get it occasionally depending on world and who's in it. I have a Core i5-8400 @2.80 GHz and a GTX 1060
More than likely not the headset.
You can have a super computer and someone will come in and try their best to brick it. If you can run VR, you can run VRC. And it'll be the user's content lagging you. Not the game.
Like sometimes I’ll turn, but the game won’t and so I’ll just like see blackness boarder and then after like a split seconds the game screen will centre
2.8ghz shutter
Lmao I remember on New Years I saw a army of tyler1 avatars
@crystal fossil I can run other VR games just fine 90% of the time but I don't have that same consistency with VRChat.
I literally just explained.
TRue
It's not VRC.
Honestly acme has a point all my other games run pretty darn fine ._.
Yeah I know lol but I was also gonna mention I know someone that has a way better computer and those kinds of avatars don't affect him
Besides from nostos but that game is a mess
It's the cancerous community not the game's fault
yeah
Wait have you guys seen oasis on steam
Every other game has everything premade and intentionally optimized. VRC is full of content uploaded by people that have no idea what they're doing.
fact,
No I'm not blaming the game. I didn't mean to phrase it that way
Oasis or what we it’s called
If every user was a game dev, VRC would not lag.
in other words
Yeah I get ya.
vrchat has cancerous ppl, that's why it do be lagging
saigo true
So it’s like g-mod kek
But since I play VRC often I wanna upgrade to handle everything. Especially for this project I'm working on
instead vrchat is laggy and lacks basic features
because nobody cares about optimization
gmod doesnt lag tf
gmod only lags if you spawn 100k props
^^^^^^^
gmod has vr?
no
yes
what?
it does
oh my god
Oh snap
on the workshop!
i dont wanna test that
its quite robust - go for it.
I hate gmod enough as is lmao
Bruh gmod doesn’t lag??? Dude I spawned in all the touhou bosses and I had 1 fps
Actually I had a dio weapon and I stopped time but one of the bosses could also stop time so it actually crashed my computer
If VRC wasn't so busy optimizing or firefighting to combat the intentional abuse or lack of optimization of it's userbase, I feel like we may have more features already.
Useless
¯_(ツ)_/¯
how to improve optimization
don't feature shit avatar worlds with 95% of their avatars as "very poor"
Wait so has anyone else seen or played that Oasis game on steam it’s like a clone of vrchat
It's a shame because user creation is a big part of what makes VRChat what it is
But it's a double edged sword
You forget that world publicity is automated now.
No I haven't
Everyone wants unoptimized avatars with 500 DB and glowing tattoos. Flashy effects to VR flex. Of course the system bumps it to the front.
I feel like I caused something f I shouldn’t have
I don't really find those appealing.
You have to change the mind of the creators if you want to go anywhere
For one thing, a lot of us already assume those to be crashers.
It's on the avatar creators. Even when they manually approved everything, they still got cheeky and reuploaded bad versions once the worlds got approved. Humans be that way.
No, it's called Laziness.
Because making the effort to optimize is too hard when you just wanna look cool in VRC.
Fine, laziness
That's what I meant with having a system that ranks your avatar world
True I wanna look cool in vrchat but I also want people to like me
based on multiple factors, with optimization taking a big part of it
Game devs make that kind of money for a reason. It's not easy to balance looks and performance, and that's only a small part of the job.
balance looks
Who even makes vrchat
We do
An entire team.
Is it a small team or big or
very small
The team is growing steadily.
They get funded quite a bit of money through investors.
it grows
grows slowly
Wait why don’t they just make a limit to stuff?
cause people find workarounds
Because they tried that.
VRChat is one of the biggest reasons for people getting VR besides games like Beat Saber so not surprising.
there used to be a 70k poly limit
There used to be a 20k limit
And then they decided people would prefer to have more control than that. People rioted.
you can have like 400k+
It use to be 20k, but people would still get around limits, regardless.
but i dont know why they limited the polygons out of everything
70k is the highest before you get very poor automatically, you can upload as much
Bruh lol I like having a lot of fun but I rather have a non laggy or cancerous experience
Oh jesus christ.
I wonder how VRChat would be running well on multiple cores
The limits are all on the clients instead of the SDK now
if you don't want to be blocked automatically by people that actually use safety settings, you need to stay under certain thresholds of perf.
Think I'm gonna start setting up my vr to play in a bit.
My avatar is 
And that isn't true
Though in low populated instances there's no real need for perf blocking
There's no limits unless you use audiosources, @lunar cedar
Unless you mean in beta.
i once put my min on "poor"
I almost always use perf setting and I know many that turn it on when world hopping to pubs
Perf blocking is what I'm referring to by in the client instead of the SDK
Probably just you
Ahh.
I have truster user's avatars on "On"
That's by choice, yes.
There are rare cases where safety settings may not apply when the avatars are still loading or in very rare cases when people switch avatars
but game still doesn't load anyone until I turn it off and on again
Servers bug out sometimes.
I know it always fucks up at the Community Meetups when I change while everyone's loading
it happens in every world
Never had that
The only thing I don't like about perf blocking is you donwload and load the avatar first then it gets blocked.
You're properly scuffed then
I hadn't heard that.
I swear I hate that there is no rejoin instance when you crash
So you still get the intial loading lag when joining a large instance
If it's downloading anything, it's the bot. I know abuses that can insta-crash. I doubt it'll load the actual avatar.
"Recent" should include the instance you've been in, yeah
It might be the world load or IK initializing.
But odds are high that you already had friends in that instance and you can quickly rejoin
I mean, there are cases where people said it loads the crash avatar for a split second and they die
Or they hear intro music even tho it was blocked
Recent only tells you the world though, no?
Intro music is scuffed, yeah
@gilded helm That's why I said it should, not that it does
I usually check my instance number when I load in.
It never gets as far as instantiating the avatar for a crash to occur
"It should" is the classic VRChat sentence
Hearing music even though I turned it off is honestly annoying
Intro music is cursed anyway. It shouldn't exist. All the annoying ones ruined all the subtle ones.
But it does do something when it reaches 100% that lags a little bit
I need a new vive...I hate doing this stupid fix every time I wanna play
"blank has enterered the room" drop hits
?
actual cancer
I'm running at 98% CPU load in many cases so that little bit can be enough to freeze up the game.
At least we see less of the screenspace text for those dumb intro anims
wait tf? how?
98%?
Tbh I usually insta block people who use stuff like that
VRC is very CPU heavy right now.
Really?
The only exception I found so far was the intro animation of the Zelda avatar, because it doesn't mess with your screen
Also, yes. I block intro music people.
And it fits the character
Wait so I should put my laptop in creator mode to increase CPU performance
Exactly. That's the only one I could think of. The Zelda avatar.
Windows VBS overhead and Microsoft's latest body tracking is heavy.
But 99% of all people just have some cringy voice over or loud ass music with screen space effects that just distort everything
Because it's not trying to be annoying.
That's why I wanna upgrade my processor Saigo
I think the only intro sound I use is for a dead by daylight avatar, the sound of the rounds start
Thats a fact, theres this one model i saw recently where the model is like really red but also dark
It has some rap music and it distorts your screen
It has some facemask thats like an evil grin too, very annoying
There's also SAO avatars that have the classic SAO spawn in sound and effect, but that's fine too because it fits the character, is short, doesn't mess with your screen
Lmao, remember when crashers always had those gas masks
Yeah I actually like avatars like that
But I'll never get those people with loud spawn in music and screen space stuff on their own avatar
It's not over the top
Because it's the only way they can get attention.
Sasha Mason has joined the lobby
They're letting you know to block them when they join, they're doing you a favor
I didnt know people want negative attention
BFFFBFFF
You'd be surprised.
^ Sasha's bassy bgm.
Negative attention is the worst attention.

It's not doing me a favor because it requires me to walk around, hide and unhide people to see who's doing something obnoxious
Some people just want a reaction. They don't care if it's a bad one
They wont really get one from me tho
Plenty of people want negative attention, that's why that stupid ass phrase exists, "all attention is good attention"
I just quietly block them 
I have 2 avatars that do something when I switch to them. My cloud avatar plays the start of final fantasy and my dark magician girl says “I summon Dark Magician Girl” ._.
.-.
If only it didn't take as long to reach nuisance rank. 😏
Then I wouldn't have to worry about blocking them.
Man, I wish
Personally I just generally dislike spawn in stuff. There's rare cases where I accept it on others but personally, I don't want stuff to happen just from me switching into them
Most nuisances are those mic spammers tho, so at least they're getting those
Wait is there a way to tell if someone blocked you
I only want it to happen when I specifically use a gesture to make it happen
I generally don't do anything worthy of a block unless I have a rare occasion where I debate with someone.
I’ll sometimes switch to annoying avatar for a few seconds just for like a “hahah funny avatar” and then switch back
Blocking because of debate lmao, then you win the debate ez
That's how I get blocked on Facebook lmao
Some people get so mad they literally message me to tell me it and THEN block me so I can't reply
I try to make it a habit of only switching to potentially annoying avatars when I'm amongst friends
@abstract nymph I do that too tbh
I switch to my colassol titan avatar for like a moment for funny joke then go back to being a small blue-haired thing
Giant avatars can be a reason to be blocked
@covert blade idk how that works
I don't abuse it though
Oh I have a giant avatar from breath of the wild it’s one of those big guys
Woah. I've been blocked by 8 people and one is my ex.
He has a sword and stuff
@abstract nymph You go to the link that is on there, copy the entire thing, go back to the site and paste it into the text box
\o/
Copy what?
The biggest avatar I have is giant DVA and that one isn't obnoxious. I actually use that one to help people get up to higher places on the map lol
You copy everything in here. Requires you to be logged in onto the VRChat website
In 2 years, 8 people. I think I'm fine.
Oof. Sasha, how am I supposed to represent your meme avatar without spamming?
Your fine.
Oh sounds like to much work I’m I a my phone rn
The biggest avatar I have is a 3.5m version of my own avatar
My biggest is 1000m...
But I have full body and can just sit down to be back at normal level
But I pull her out rarely.
I wanted to be reasonable with my size
It's just when I'm on big af worlds.
And with FBT I can still fit into most rooms
I still want to be able to see others >_>
You should try it sometime though.
When people are literally as small as ants. It's odd in VR.
Yeah it really changes your fov
Don't even try changing back to another avatar via menu though.
Nearly impossible.
You'd have to use ctrl \
Yeah last time I used the colossal titan I couldn't change out of it
It's hard, but possible
I usually have the problem with my 20cm avatar
Can't scroll through the menu so I have to switch to something else before I can switch to what I want to switch into
The colossal titan is easy to change out of
Oh. I've blocked 32 people.
eh I got rid of it
I just steal someones avatar then go back to my original
hm
I generally only block people I know are trying to crash me.
Or like, those mass adders from earlier.
I have 13 blocks, and only a few of them were because the person was behaving in a bad way other than having an annoying as hell avatar or cheating
Lmao
lmao
Alright got my vr set up. Anyone wanna hop in game?
Now I wanna know my exact start date.
@gray citrus That DVA one definitely is obnoxious. Most massive avatars are annoying to people in VR. I just immediately block anyone using that or the harpy one these days in places like the Pug or Black Cat.
Wow I’ve actually been blocked or hidden by some people
Pretty much all the blocks I have are just random as hell
The one with the seats
Nah not Gearbell, the massive one. Dunno if Gearbell made any large ones
@faint skiff But my 3.5m avatar is fine right?
wait how do i see who blocked me or something
@olive hull https://nyanpa.su/vrchatblocked/
Just ctrl-f block on the playermoderated link
Not really
JSON string?
There's literally a website you can paste all your stuff into and it'll list all people who blocked, muted and hid you
Same can be done the chrome inspector by just previewing the network request. Nice pretty formated JSON.
i have 62 blocks
which definitely isnt right. either the list stops tracking every few months or it just unblocks thme
It's still annoying to read through the JSON. The site organizes it.
The preview tab formats it
just checked mine
got muted by 3 ppl yesterday lmao
oof
Mic, if you're looking at moderated that's people blocking you. moderations is the blocks you've done
@olive hull You follow the link on the website, copy everything, go back to the site I linked you and paste it into the white text box
Why does this require an explanation
Feels like they purged some blocks, because I definitely remember more
I know some people who had blocked me who randomly unblocked me
In both me blocking and me being blocked
I had to block someone because I said “your avatar is creepy I don’t like it” and they followed me
can't be vrchat if you're not toxic to at least some people
"wear real clothes" what does that even mean
@rigid crescent they mean real clothes
....what?
I saw a giant naked anime avatar and you could sit@in the boobs, hands and stuff


@lunar cedar