atleast what I've seen
#vrchat-general-2
snow token
rigid crescent
Oh, she's under Legacy i see her
slate verge
oof
covert blade
The Unity Chans I usually see aren't the default one
slate verge
does other people have the rights to take her and edit her?
slate verge
well they can always port her then
covert blade
You don't really port anything lol
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/characters/unity-chan-model-18705
slate verge
ah yes
covert blade
It's something you can get from the Unity Asset Store for free
I dunno how much work is required to get that model into VRChat but I wouldn't assume that it is much
humble nymph
i wana a friend
slate verge
yeah its kinda easy
humble nymph
no
covert blade
I see
vast tulip
@rough pulsar it’s a steam vr bug with vram. Something about fragmenting the vram
humble nymph
vast tulip
The way to fix it (more like reset it) is to restart steam vr. Anything else is just a temporary fix for the moment
worldly swan
How do you add friends without being in the same room?
broken plover
Go to the social tab and then search for the playername at the top right in the search bar
worldly swan
Thx
rose oracle
how do I use my quest and use my computer graphics on the headset when it is pluged in
slate verge
hm...
rigid crescent
you need a usb-c dont you?
shell basalt
There's a second cord for the Rift S, what is it? The other is a USB
inner cape
display port
rigid crescent
You have one on your GPU right? 🤔
shell basalt
I have ab MSI gaming laptop so I thought I'd have everything i need lol
inner cape
double check
broken plover
Not even mini display port?
slate verge
you can always get a converter
broken plover
looks like a thunderbolt port but has a square next to it instead of a lightning
stone crest
would a laptop have a displayport usually tho?
broken plover
idk... All of the laptops in my house have hdmi
faint skiff
Some do, it really depends on the laptop
twin fractal
Mine doesnt. I think HDMI is more common
shell basalt
I have a $2000 laptop and it doesn't have absolutely everything smh
broken plover
yes
shell basalt
Anyone got a link to the right converter? Do they have them at Best Buy?
twin fractal
If you have a rift s, it's should be displayport and I heard you cant use a comverter
faint skiff
Erm, USB to HDMI is normally for software displays, it won't work with VR headsets.
Unless you're referring to USB-C alternate mode, which I'm not sure works with VR either.
HDMI > DP or DP > HDMI also normally doesn't work.
slate verge
oof
pulsar sequoia
oh, awesome! the conversation is already about the rift s
so i just got a rift s, but my usb 3.0 port doesn't get recognized; any tips?
i contemplated buying more 3.1 ports
slate verge
have you tried it in a 2.0 slot?
wait a min hm...
i don't use a rift s, but you could always get one of those usb 3.0 extender
vale wave
eyyyy
hushed fern
Thanks!
I tried out my brothers oculus quest, while losing to tennis TWICE in that sports game on the quest
i must say.... I WANT IT! :D
slate verge
go for it!
hushed fern
I just gotta save up for it xD
pulsar sequoia
sadly, one must use a 3.0 with the s :c
slate verge
i see, well....i could suggest just the usb 3.0 extender then
if your current usb 3.0 slot does not work
pulsar sequoia
i think i'll buy one yeah!
west dew
Merry Christmas from myself. Hope you've all got what you wanted and don't get too drunk on those Shandy drinks.
slate verge
i don't drink so i'm good
hushed fern
$300 rip
and im too young to drink xD
7 months underage. Lel
$399
They also revealed the accompanying controllers which would be similar to the Oculus Rift's touch controllers. In 2018, Oculus revealed at Connect 5 that the system will be priced at a total of US$399 and that it's called the Oculus Quest.
nocturne yew
drinking is too mainstream
hushed fern
I cri. But i can save up for it!
hushed fern
Whats the difference?
broken plover
Rift s needs a pc, quest doesnt
nocturne yew
Quest is a bit more versatile and share Rift S funcionalities but offers less quality in terms of visuals; Rift S is the go to choice if your main goal is playing on PC
hushed fern
Yea no
I dont got a gaming pc. I prefer to be moving around
I have a laptop tho.. Nice explaination tho
hushed fern
ty
tight estuary
have any of you played evolvedant defuse
rigid crescent
yeah its pretty great
twilit fiber
Intel core i5, gtx1060,1tb storage 16g ddr4
ram,windows.
Good specs?
rigid crescent
The Quest runs with what I understand to be basically an outdated phone CPU. Aside from that, it can't see PC avatars unless the creator has also uploaded a Quest variant (which is pretty rare for most PC users). Avatars you can see tend to be much lower quality as well, as do worlds
If you've played this game in Desktop or watched Youtube/Twitch videos of it, you won't be getting an experience anything like that whatsoever
hushed fern
So, in job simulator itll look crappy?
rigid crescent
Sorry I was referring to VRChat specifically
desert stratus
nah, just...the quest is a pretty fucking good headset until you play vrchat
rigid crescent
For nonVRChat games I've heard it's great and the experience looks pretty decent
desert stratus
vrchat isnt really meant to be something you actually play regularly on the quest, if that makes sense
twilit fiber
Can I ask another question about specs?
slate verge
its more of an introduction if i were to assume
pseudo basalt
👏
nocturne yew
lol
vale wave
Meme revieuw
zinc nacelle
I require help
On PC Character do like stuff when you press F1 F2 etc. does anyone know how to do that on an Oculus Rift s?
covert blade
@zinc nacelle https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/touch
errant monolith
Yo
vocal shard
bruh, after like 2-3+ hours, i still cant get vr chat to work
ive done almost everything 😢
can anyone help with making my own avatar? ive been messing around for hours and got no where and asking in user support got sarcastic comments
they werent sarcastic comments
they were just saying you were in the wrong channel and going on google and youtube are the best places to look for help in making avatars
molten gale
vocal shard
thx
shell basalt
I'm searching all over for converters and all I can find is displayport to hdmi, not the other way around oof
hasty wedge
time to drop 100$
devout island
Give me some of that
hasty wedge
me 2
twin fractal
Pick it back up
hasty wedge
wut if i dun want 2
wheat moss
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 9602 users in VRChat currently
twin fractal
Then give me
snow token
goodnite
ashen smelt
servers down again
devout venture
I need some help, I cant hear audio on VRChat but I can on any other app. Like I can on D2, fortnite, other stuff, but not VRChat and it annoys me. I'm using Windows 10 on Desktop mode
ruby needle
Servers look fine tho 
devout venture
Its been going on forever and it annoys me because now I cant play some of my favourite maps
Every where I've searched I would see nothing about fixing it, and it kills me everytime I search
(I realise I'm asking in general, I'm just desperate)
hasty wedge
is it muted in volume mixer?
devout venture
How can I check?
devout venture
So it was at 0 and I put it to 100
but I still cant hear anything when I do actions that should cause sounds (buttons, backround music, etc)
devout venture
I dont think so, allow me to check
snow token
is your headset at 0
hasty wedge
monkaW
devout venture
wait steam was at 0, even though Vrchat was at 100
snow token
and that worked?
devout venture
would that potentially screw it up? I'm reloading to test it
hasty wedge
no
snow token
I don't think it's gonna change anything
devout venture
No luck, and it says its running default even though I have my headphones plugged in. I can hear everything on youtube and other steam games though
snow token
check vrchat settings if there is anything sound related
long time since I was in vrchat so I don't remember
hasty wedge
ur game is cursed
devout venture
Volume in Vrchat is at max
hasty wedge
LOL
devout venture
Well, shit
hasty wedge
did u reinstall yet
devout venture
I guess it's just busted? I'm gonna try and reinstall rn
polar jasper
Have you checked the volume slider in Windows for the VRChat application? 😛
devout venture
I did, its at 100
twin fractal
That doesn't make any sense. Audio shouldn't do that
polar jasper
So you checked the mixer?
devout venture
Wheres the mixer? I might be in the wrong setting
And for the record, it used to work randomly but now it seems to not
polar jasper
https://i.imgur.com/AvubVIu.png this one
snow token
Right click sound button in the bottom right and click sound mixer
that's right I think
polar jasper
ye
hasty wedge
he tried it already
devout venture
Vrchat is at 100, yeah
devout venture
Perhaps the drivers?
hasty wedge
make sure ur headphones are properly connected 🤔
devout venture
I'm pretty tech adequete, but this stumps me
snow token
he said all other games work fine
devout venture
Headphones are in right, can hear youtube and whatnot A-ok
devout venture
Well, I guess thats the only option
snow token
sad lyf
devout venture
Will I lose my saved skins though?
hasty wedge
no
devout venture
Thank goodness. Saved maps?
hasty wedge
if u have a account then it saves on the account
devout venture
Oh good, well I'll reinstall and tell you guys how it goes
snow token
okie
peak cipher
Hey everyone how’s your day/evening
hushed fern
good!
twilit fiber
Yare yare daze
hushed fern
Just excited to save up for my quest :P. plus i wont use my xbox one anymore cuz my online expired :c
devout island
that's the bad part about consoles
hushed fern
Id rather pay for OCULUS GAMES than online membership
ionic loom
Anyone else for the past 3 days been having world loading issues and black screens ?
hushed fern
Mmm. is this for PC or quest?
devout island
shouldn't be too much of a difference
devout venture
I reinstalled
No progress. Cant hear anything
I guess I'm not meant to play Vrchat 😦
devout island
check your audio devices on windows
devout venture
Its at 100% all over
worn nova
What are some features of the rift s I should know before I get it tomorrow
devout venture
I guess VRchat is just broken
worn nova
let me try it
devout venture
Whatever. I guess I didn't wanna play anyways...
worn nova
it works just fine
lime dawn
reeeeeee
round fog
whats up?
devout island
@devout venture you checked if your main audio device is set to default
devout venture
Heres the issue. Whenever I check which Audio device I am using it always says "Speakers" but I am actually using headphones that plug in to it. The weird part is audio still only plays from the headset like its supposed to
So I dont think thats the issue @devout island, but I honestly dont know
last crypt
I wonder.. Does upgrading account from Steam to VRChat in-game might cause something to disappear? I got told it may erase my favorites.
vocal shard
what do you do if ur getting random disconnects in vrchat?
vocal shard
ive been experience constant timing out and struggling to even change worlds only to be met with black screens and just a time out ding
same been happening for days now
this started from the last couple updates
yep
yesh but none of my friends have ben experiencing it
i even restarted my router
so idk wut to do do
and same goes for me my friends havent experienced this either
just me
i have the original oculus rift
but as you said this only started due to the latest updates
thorn bone
yeah, my friends join me but we ca t see one another
vocal shard
im stuck on a loading loop after restarting my router qq
oof
yeah i just struggle to change any world and its a miracle if i manage to join an instance
yep
round fog
hey uh who here is playing VRChat
vocal shard
me
round fog
cool
vocal shard
trying xD
vocal shard
smae, trying xD
the way i know it starts to mess up is when the world initialization takes too long
yep
round fog
i think my vrchat is acting up on me
thorn bone
most likely
vocal shard
welcome to the club ^-^
thorn bone
hehe, whos drinking?
vocal shard
ima need to drink if this continues xP
thorn bone
im dfrinking
round fog
cause everything is loading super slow
deft fern
vrchat pls fix your servers so i dont get blackscreened during erp
deft fern
ah yes
round fog
everyone i managed to get my vrchat working again
strong talon
I've been having the same issue over the past couple of days too. It times out instantly, but then tries to load in, but at slower rate and with black screen or looping loading screen several times before actually loading in.
I tried rebooting my PC, and my router was turned off because of a power outage...so it's not either of those...
lunar cedar
hushed fern
ok i srsly SUCK in the tennis game
strong talon
ah alright it seems to have cleared up for now after clearing cache and rebooting everything again.
scratch that...seems to be back now, oh bother
hushed fern
Holy shit! Job sim is awesome!
static oasis
My game seems to time out whenever I attempt to switch worlds ¯_(ツ)_/¯
strong talon
@static oasis I am having the same issue.
static oasis
Sometimes it lets me join tho, which doesnt make sense
vocal shard
anyone else having connection issues with timing out? 1st time ever getting to today.
covert blade
Hmm, so the social list had a bit of a hiccup for me
slender latch
@everyone is the account registration broken?
covert blade
. . .
Did you just try to mention everyone randomly on a Server that has like 100k+ members?
covert blade
earnest thicket
is getting vr worth it if i have no friends?
covert blade
There's plenty of singleplayer VR titles that you can play
earnest thicket
how do i find current stuff? im having a tough time
covert blade
earnest thicket
welp now i feel dumb
covert blade
27 pages of VR games and I'll bet you find a few that you'll like
earnest thicket
thx
covert blade
Np ^^
earnest thicket
do you have any suggestions on sets? should i go straight for the index? or something less
covert blade
Depends on your budget honestly
broken plover
Get index if you're fine with paying $1000
earnest thicket
ive heard index is just best quality
vocal shard
Well yeah. But really, they're all pretty good.
covert blade
Literally I'm looking at amazon right now, 400 bucks for the Rift S
earnest thicket
ive got the pc for it, but maybe ill start with a rift s then upgrade if i get addicted
slate verge
good idea
covert blade
Hm?
slate verge
i bought vive and heavily regretdon't fricken pick vive
vocal shard
covert blade
I mean I'm kinda happy with my Vive, though considering for how much I could've gotten a Rift S
Then again, I use Full Body Tracking so the Rift S would've been a pain in the butt for me to setup with that
slate verge
yeah i'm fine using the vive currently cuz i use what i have
covert blade
If my Vive breaks though I'll likely just jump straight to Index
slate verge
yeah
earnest thicket
dont i need stands for the rift s?
slate verge
nope
vocal shard
No, it all works inside out from the headset
covert blade
Really the only reason I went for the Vive is because forever ago, for some reason, the Vive interested me more than what Oculus had at that time but like, it was sooo expensive, or at least I remember it being pretty expensive
earnest thicket
hopefully my glasses are fine since im blind 😮
covert blade
Hmm
I'm near-sighted and glasses don't help me in VR at all
If anything they just get in the way because I can see the frame of my glasses
vocal shard
I need my glasses in VR. It's too blurry without them
VR focuses about 2 meters away
earnest thicket
yeah id need my glasses
covert blade
I actually tried but like, it didnt really seem to make any noticeable difference for me
vocal shard
The rift S and index both have an eye relief to slide the lenses out to fit your glasses if you need
What's your prescription?
covert blade
Maybe I'm just dumb but yeah, I always take my glasses off
slate verge
gn jamie <3
vocal shard
Night 
covert blade
Good night Fooni ^-^ Sleep well
broken plover
I have about -5 and I cant play vr without glasses... Its too blurry
earnest thicket
-14 so id need em XD
covert blade
I mean, I have a Vive, it's generally not a great image quality
vocal shard
Oof. I'm only -4 and I need them
vale wave
I lost both of my eyes due fireworks accident so i use a vr dog to help me
covert blade
broken plover
I can only see normal if stuff is 16cm or closer away from me :/
earnest thicket
index is out of stock anyway 😮
earnest thicket
is good
broken plover
I think every headset is sold out
covert blade
Half Life Alyx
vocal shard
VR Headsets were all mostly in stock, but after the announcement of Half Life Alyx, almost everything is out of stock. Even the quest is backordered till February last I heard
covert blade
Valve ya done did it
covert blade
If they care as much about Half Life Alyx as they cared about all the previous games with maybe the exception of CS:GO, I think they'll deliver
manic spade
help, i try to open vr chat but its stuck on the loading screen, and makes a random sort of error noise every 30 seconds or so
i have never played the app in vr before, i just downloaded it
vocal shard
when i join a world in vrchat there is always no players in it even though it is marked that there is players, how can i fix this?
covert blade
Does the instance you join have players?
Each worlds has different instances, most of which likely F+ or beyond which you cannot see in the world browser
So even if it says there's people in that world, if they're all in private instances then you can't find them
worldly swan
ayy im a new user at last 😄
vocal shard
Hello
spring pond
@vocal shard You may need to select an instance with players along the bottom of the menu. I’ve found it if you let it default it will often make a new instance or put you in an instance with like 1 other person
tight spade
Hey! Please help, where can i find Detroit Become Human Avatar Location?
desert stratus
@tight spade world search is your best bet
though id be surprised if someone somehow got the models from that game
i know a handful of models have audio / memes from Detroit but i forgot what world they came from
shadow lodge
launch VRC and again 10 fps
vocal shard
Is there another ddos attack going on because I’m not able to login, sends me to a black screen for 2 minutes then tries to login by itself over and over
ruby needle
Likely some local issues for you / on your specific route 
vocal shard
It just started to work but somethings off, Says I’m a pc player now and I see pc only stuff but I only have a quest
shadow lodge
i can login but after SteamVR update the game sometimes goes 10 fps and hard lagging 
tight spade
k
desert fjord
Hello
spring pond
I feel like if you are seeing PC only stuff on Quest that the thing will probably explode
desert stratus
youre probably not
even relatively weak gaming PCs are at least 20 times as powerful as the quest on fulll blast
the game wouldnt even load
harsh cove
It would be cool if they added another option in the security options that loaded a low poly version of an avatar instead of just on or off
meager solstice
I mean polygons aren’t the issue
Materials, lights, dynamic bones, and meshes are the issue
Amongst other things, polys r the least of ur worries
harsh cove
Well, I mean a low poly version with shader deactivated, dynamic bones, etc
Just to let you understand what that avatar
broken plover
You can already deactivate shaders in the safetey settings
meager solstice
And dynamic bones ^
harsh cove
Yes, but you can't deactivate dynamic bones just for some users
You can deactivate them totally, but for friends too, or am I wrong?
meager solstice
U can change the limiter to whatever u want, so yes u can deactivate them
broken plover
You can change the config file for the dynamic bone limiter and change it so the limiter disables them
broken plover
The limiter is for everyone. I think even for your own avatars
meager solstice
Yeah for everyone
harsh cove
Exactly
Would be cool to deactivate just for non-friends
To have another option for that in the safety settings
meager solstice
Make a request for it on the canny, seems like a decent idea
harsh cove
The what
twin fractal
The canny
harsh cove
What's that
(owo)
meager solstice
It’s where people post bugs, feature requests and can see what the vrc team is working on/have planned
harsh cove
Cool ok
Kinda like the feedback site for Minecraft?
Sorry I have no idea how to describe what I mean lmao
icy otter
harsh cove
Anyway thanks really much~
meager solstice
The idea would be to add a selection option of which person’s dynamic bones u can see sort of like the safety settings @harsh cove.
Probably the best way to describe it
twin fractal
The hub and home world were the most popular worlds last night
rigid crescent
I think adding having DB do that is something theyve mentioned before. Dev stream said they wanted to try and add more performance options with settings similar to trust ones
twin fractal
Yea something similar was marked as "planned"
meager solstice
I honestly want them to make their own dynamic bones
@twin fractal speaking of popular worlds time square is coming soon, and that world will usually explode with popularity for New Years
twin fractal
Oooh
proper sand
we have a prob in vrc which is normal but is it gonna be fixed soon?
prob not but eh who knows
¯_(ツ)_/¯
opaque hawk
time square will be lit. I have seen it as a wip. They really stepped it up this year.
worldly swan
RIP the user I got my current av from made my favourite one private again 😦
snow wadi
They could be updating it.
vocal shard
i know the feeling time
rigid crescent
What was it??
worldly swan
You know sugarcube?
Basically one youtuber made a chibi avatar for another youtuber and the Santa version of that avatar was public, now it isn’t
twin fractal
Oh that one
past path
Do you Guys can login in VRChat? My Friend cant login, he just see the "Bubble Screen". We tried to cleare the Cache. Every other Game works fine.
past path
Huh? I can login without any problems, thats why im confused
proper sand
im not saying everyone cant
covert blade
I just went into VRChat no problems
proper sand
well i get problems
covert blade
D:
I mean apart from the comfort issues it is mostly fine for anything except VRChat
twin fractal
still most of my game r on steam tho :C
guess i gotta find a decent quest avatar now
slate verge
there are actually alot of decent quest avatars
but i don't like how the author makes the hand gestures
worn nova
What are some things I should know before heading into VR?
slate verge
you mean in vrchat? or getting into vr in general
spring pond
Dang rock n' roll gesture is so finicky on Index controllers
worn nova
vrchat and anything in general
umbral reef
If you get motion sick take a break it's something that will pass.
Don't push the limit as it will only last longer then.
slate verge
@worn nova well getting a vr headset is expensive, you don't need a vr headset to play this game since it supports desktop mode
worn nova
Thanks, will take that into mind, im getting my rift s today or tomorrow.
slate verge
nice!
umbral reef
Also make sure your PC has the ports for it and is strong enough to run it
If you don't have the ports there ar addaptors that can solve the problem
worn nova
I need a display port for rift s, correct?
slate verge
yeah
worn nova
I have everything that is recommended for vr other than the cpu
I have like an i3, minimum I think
slate verge
thats fine
worn nova
Also does rift s have any sensors?
umbral reef
Grab some rechargable batteries though for the controllers
spring pond
Yeah, Rift S sensors are built into the headset
slate verge
you can ask Jamie here, expert on rift s
vocal shard
Rift S is wired, but the sensing is all done from the headset itself
O.O
I'm no expert on anything
spring pond
Which I've heard works fairly well, but does mean Full Body Tracking solutions might be more difficult
slate verge
c:
covert blade
Yes you are Jamie :D
worn nova
kinect works slightly, right?
vocal shard
Yeah Kinect works
umbral reef
Fbt can't be done without an external tracker
Even in the future if oculus makes one
worn nova
Okay, ill find a program for that soon
vocal shard
AA batteries btw
worn nova
My package is in KY .-.
slate verge
get rechargeable AA batteries so you can go on infinitely
covert blade
Kinda wish that would work on Full Body Trackers, then again would make recharging more annoying
rigid crescent
Just get the new straps that come with the chargers
You'll almost never need to leave full body
near saffron
I heard about those, don’t they increase lifetime to like 8 hours or something
vocal shard
Develop a charging unit that converts static electricity into charge. Then dance in full body on carpet 
covert blade
Yeah I could but ya know my current straps are rather new
So might do when my current straps break
spring pond
So wait, tracker straps that have built in batteries to plug into the trackers?
That seems pretty smart 😛
covert blade
meager solstice
I just ordered it 2 days ago for myself
spring pond
Neat. Shame I just bought boring ol' track straps a week ago
Then again, those weren't that big of an investment 😛
near saffron
Holy $99
spring pond
That doesn't seem too unreasonable - it's 3 portable batteries + the straps
near saffron
Oh yeah, just noticed it’s all 3, not bad actually
covert blade
I mean you're paying for the already pretty expensive straps + three small power banks
meager solstice
@spring pond can’t u just send the current straps back?
near saffron
Fuck.. should of looked into getting them instead of the normal ones
spring pond
I mean...
I could, but technically there's nothing wrong with them and I'd feel guilty
neon kayak
for anyone with normal straps this setup^^^ gives up to 24+ hr battery and is still pretty comfy
covert blade
What about the hip?
twin fractal
Quest + Kinect gang 
spring pond
neon kayak
@covert blade just tape it to the belt lol
twin fractal
Get a Gucci belt
near saffron
🤔
peak cipher
Sasha how is your holidays and how is everyone’s Thursday today
covert blade
It's fine for me, I dont celebrate anything though so it's just an average day
quartz osprey
seems vrc servers are overloading again ...any issues are due to this in-game
fading flower
i se no ingame issues
fading flower
hmm im gonna join someone and see how it flows
vocal shard
jupp cant load into my avatar
quartz osprey
slow loading of worlds/avatars etc
fading flower
im gonna go test that
neon kayak
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 9612 users in VRChat currently
spring pond
Speaking of, how is the infrastructure? Are all of the worlds hosted on VRChat servers>
covert blade
Yes
Pretty much everything is uploaded and hosted on their own servers, which is why Europeans always have a high ping no matter what
covert blade
People are always quick to blame the game for everything while forgetting that there's more than just one factor that can contribute to a problem
spring pond
And presumably avatars of other players are downloaded from those servers then as well. Good to know (if I think I have it right)
vocal shard
blaming is fun though
covert blade
Yup
vocal shard
😛
vocal shard
just random server issues again, keep calm and go drink a glass of water
fading flower
on it!
spring pond
ngl, I actually really like complaining (without assigning blame outside of speculating)
covert blade
Ya know the servers have problems when Fusl's here
vocal shard
Hi
fading flower
gonna go grab some water
twin fractal
Correlation or causation @covert blade 🤔
vocal shard
@covert blade i get realtime notifications on server issues from https://dash.silent-ghost.eu/
thats cheating
quartz osprey
hehe always fun when you notify an issue that is going forn an hour and 1 minute later it is fixed
covert blade
I see
fading flower
i went and drank some watwr
spring pond
No fun allowed
vocal shard
bruh
twin fractal
Wait.. that's illegal!
earnest thicket
ive been reading about the rift s vs the quest, and everything seems to say the quest is better. thoughts? or do i just wait for index stock
covert blade
Why would the Quest be better?
earnest thicket
higher resolution per eye and better black on black color contrasts
spring pond
The Quest is only better on price + mobility, as I understand it
covert blade
You do know that the Quest is designed as a standalone VR system
spring pond
And the CPU of an old smartphone
vocal shard
No. On paper it looks better, but almost every hands on review says the rift S is better for PC experience
covert blade
You're limited to a short battery life and you have to deal with a front heavy headset
vocal shard
The rift S has more subpixels than the quest and looks sharper
covert blade
Plus you are limited to the games actually supported by the system unlike PCVR
spring pond
There's just no way for the Quest to compete with a proper PC*
covert blade
Yup
earnest thicket
ahhhh i see thank you guys
covert blade
In short: You can't really compare those two
They have two completely different target audiences
vocal shard
The rift S has about 5.5 million subpixels per eye while the quest and Vive pro have 4.6 million
That's why I don't like headset manufacturers just advertising the resolution, and not really considering the subpixel matrix
covert blade
I have the feeling a lot of people just compare Rift S and Quest purely by their displays and overlook the major diferences that it has
vast field
Does anyone know if VRChat will ever come to PSVR?
covert blade
Never
earnest thicket
i dont really understand the subpixel stuff much, never looked into it
vast field
oof im sure it could run it. Cant play with my friends that have PSVR
still praying for a psvr port lol
covert blade
It could run it but the major point about VRChat is user generated content
broken plover
sony doesnt like user generated content
covert blade
Sony isn't really a fan of that
vocal shard
Basically, a pixel is made up of 3 colours. Green, red, blue. Those colours make up everything else
Pentile OLED only have two of those colours per pixel, and cut the red and blue subpixel count in half, alternating them. RGB LCD has even number for every pixel
covert blade
So VRChat on PSVR would basically be a different game since you would likely be limited to approved stock content of the game
vast field
oof, still better than nothing imo lol
covert blade
Hmm no not really
vast field
but i get it
broken plover
basically you would only get hub and home (maybe some other worlds too) and only the public avatars from the avatar menu. Any other avatar will be the replacement robot avatar
covert blade
There's a good bunch of official VRChat worlds but those would be the only ones
vast field
wait so like did sony shut vrc down or is this just speculation?
covert blade
Speculation based on how Sony treats user generated content in other games
vast field
oof
covert blade
And VRChat without your own avatars and worlds just isn't really VRChat imo
vast field
its worth a try lol lets start a petition o something
covert blade
Gee
vast field
i agree
covert blade
You have high hopes for something that isn't even planned
covert blade
Higher than Quest and PCVR combined?
vast field
maybe not the quest combined
covert blade
It seems like a lot of people go for the Quest since that doesn't even require a PC to run
vast field
i know the PSVR is the highest amount of owners
covert blade
How so?
vast field
quest blew up this year tho so not sure
covert blade
And Quest does support VRChat
vast field
yea i know lol i have a rift and quest
"Some of the PS VR's rivals like the Oculus Rift and the original HTC Vive need powerful computers to work. Seeing as Sony reported back in January that its PS4 sales were closing in on 100 million, it's easy to see how it was able to sell 4.2 million headsets. As VentureBeat noted, global market intelligence firm IDC estimated Rift and Vive shipments for the fourth quarter of 2018 to be around 300,000 and 230,000 units, respectively. Meanwhile, Sony shipped 463,000 headsets in the same quarter, according to the firm."
covert blade
Also, due to Half Life Alyx everyone wants PCVR now
peak cipher
how busu has it been in vrc
broken plover
maybe even some of the psvr users
peak cipher
im gonna pop in right now
vast field
Again not sure if this is still accurate since the quest is out, but seems like PSVR dominates the amount of VR users
even though it has the worst controllers
covert blade
Yeah you're only counting the Oculus Rift and original HTC Vive. Not the Rift S, not the Quest, not the Vive Pro, not the Index, and also neglecting all of the WMR sales
vast field
yea this is before the rift s and quest
im pretty sure
this is like early this year
covert blade
And the Quest is also PCVR capable if you hook it up to your PC
vast field
i know lol
broken plover
Last steamvr survery thing showed that index has about as much users as wmr rift has about 40% and vive 35% or so (corect me if I'm wrong)
vast field
ok wait who actually has vive pro other than rich enthusiasts lol
twin fractal
Join quest gang
My forehead really hurts
covert blade
The same people having a full Index set with Full Body Tracking
covert blade
Sadly the Quest seems to lack comfort
twin fractal
Worst part about it imo
vast field
i head the DAS helps but i dont have one
covert blade
I mean, the front heaviness is the reason the wireless adapter for the Vive has the battery pack on your body rather than on your head
Understandable that that's not really a good option for the Quest but still
vast field
wait so does the index have a better screen than vive pro cant remember
broken plover
https://i.imgur.com/pb2gTHE.png herers the steam hardware survey thing
just the vr headsets
covert blade
Not sure if I should be surprised or not about the amount of Rift users using SteamVR
vast field
rift dominated
vocal shard
The Vive was actually the top one on steamvr for most of the time. It was only last year that rift came out on top i believe
covert blade
I mean the original Vive is outdated, Vive Pro overpriced and Index just overall expensive
broken plover
and wmr is cheap af but you notice that cheapness
covert blade
Not that bad but also not that popular
broken plover
^
vast field
yee
covert blade
Not if ya have big names like Oculus floatin' around
vocal shard
Wmr had so much potential... But Microsoft had to be Microsoft 
vast field
i loved my wmr before i got my rift, really upgraded just for the controllers
they let rift S jump on the inside out tracking boat
now if they try it will be a cheap rift S
covert blade
Personally I would probs not even mind gettin' a Rift S myself, although the lack of external tracking is a bit of an oof but ya know, full body
vast field
i have the quest and tracking really isnt bad
dont notice too much of a difference with my rift and quest tracking
vocal shard
I think they mean since they already have Vive trackers and full body
covert blade
Yup
But the lack of external trackers for the Rift S also means I don't need to set anything up extra to use it. The external sensors connect directly to my PC right?
vocal shard
Oh?
vast field
i think ive told him this already
vast field
i found it on youtube and after that i was SET
covert blade
@vocal shard Pats :3
twin fractal
#stanjamie
vocal shard
That review still makes me cringe, for some of the misinformation I had from lack of experience back then
"Lenovo explorer has 110° fov"
Yeah right 
vast field
LMFOO
vocal shard
Oooof
vast field
Hey, i said it earlier, i loved my WMR tho so u helped me make the right choice lol
broken plover
but it says that the lenovo has 110° on the box
vast field
then of course when i had a better PC and had more of a budget i switched to Oculus
vocal shard
I loved mine too. It was still my main up until a month ago
vast field
only thing i hated was when i would be playing and i accidentally pressed the windows button mid game
and it would be a laggy mess trying to get back in
vocal shard
Luckily they changed that
Now it just opens a small menu rather than pulling you out of the game
broken plover
it lags everytime I press the windows button and then the boundary shows again :/ I want to disable the windows menu but thats not possible
vast field
nah but my sister (who is a pro skater and u guys should follow on instagram @jennsoto) used my HP when she was injured and staying at our house and she ended up loving it so much cuz she literally was stuck in her room and all she could do witout crutches was VR lol. Ended up asking for my PC everyday and after 2 days decided that we would build a PC and get her the same VR.
Prime 2 dayed everything and boom
She took it back to LA and still has it
vocal shard
Wow
vocal shard
rigid crescent
I told you jamie
You should really look into doing more "intro to VR" style stuff, it seems promising tbh
you have a nice voice and demeanor and a cute anime girl, its really all you need
vocal shard
Tbh, if I do end up doing more reviews, il probably not use my main vrchat avatar again. Had too many people focused on the fact that I was using a girl avatar and making negative comments about that
Woot
twin fractal
That's very dumb lol
vocal shard
For anime fans and the VRChat community, nobody really thinks anything of it. But for people new to the whole thing, or just looking into VR/Gaming for the first time, it can be jarring I guess 
I am so addicted to VR. Send help
slim temple
First time?
vocal shard
Yes!
slim temple
Welcome to the club, we have cookies. You can't eat them though, they're about 200 polygons
neon kayak
lol welcome!
vocal shard
😄
slim temple
I hope that feeling never leaves
for me, vr is like opening my NES on christmas day in 1986. Video games are crazy.
neon kayak
ive been doing VR since 2014. It stays around but goes in waves.
slim temple
same, same
vocal shard
Same
neon kayak
Sometimes it just hits you again like a ton of bricks and wowza lol
vocal shard
Changing up games helps too
slim temple
I actually gave up flat gaming entirely this year. I'll never go back, probably
300 games later, never playing pancake pc gaming again
vocal shard
Like for me, vrchat itself is now rooted and just feels normal. But a new VR game can still make me giddy and sometimes in awe
slim temple
speaking of that!
please play the Vertigo 2 demo!
It's free and actually really long and good
vocal shard
Ooh?
slim temple
yeah I realized today it's a hidden gem
vocal shard
Cool
slim temple
The dev of vertigo basically refined the knuckles controller
he made moondust and remade the lab
neon kayak
Yea i love the dev. Super nice dude
slim temple
for sure. Vertigo 2 is coming next year, and the demo is free on steam
has been since july ,and i never realized. Finished it up last night and WOW.
real great. He's also going back and redoing vertigo with the new systems from 2
it'll be one of those crazy re-releases I think that will fill the void HL:Alyx and boneworks will leave. then we'll go into vrchat and talk about it while being endlessly entertained by udon worlds
the future is bright. 😛
elder wyvern
<@&397642795457970181> How can i get my weekly public VRChat events added to #events ?
ruby needle
We're VRCHat Discord chatmods.
Ping us for urgend Discord Moderation action, nothing else.
inner cape
@ruby needle ping
ruby needle
Youuuu.....
covert blade
@ruby needle Pong.
Pats
ruby needle
Bullying 
inner cape
rekt
elder wyvern
it seems the VRchat team isnt available for direct @
broken plover
@ruby needle 
elder wyvern
who do you suggest i ask @ruby needle ?
broken plover
discord why you bully me
uneven swift
@elder wyvern Heya! If you want to set up a regularly scheduled event, join the VRChat events discord. There is a link to join pinned in the #events channel. Once there, contact a moderator in that group.
The channel description for that channel is very outdated. Do not contact pill about it. There are mods in the VRChat Events discord that can take care of it for you!
elder wyvern
many thanks @uneven swift
uneven swift
👍
languid beacon
P sure vrc devs are on vacation
twin fractal
potent flower
so euhh..had VR available for a couple days now, safe to say I'm absolutely hooked 👀 hope to meet a lot of awesome people here ❤️
tight spade
hey, still i can't find CONNOR avatar (detroit become human) over an hour already....
rigid crescent
then theres probably not a public one so you'll have to upload your own
covert blade
There are public ones, but they have no avatar world
covert blade
So you'd have to clone it from someone, or use illegal methods
rigid crescent
my friend had a Teto version with a little uniform they put together lol
covert blade
lol
peak cipher
mic sounders can you dm me the twitch link wanna follow you if thats cool
covert blade
Just check his Discord profile lol
rigid crescent
it's on my profile 👌 and thank you~
rigid crescent
🥳
covert blade
Also I was like: Wait deroit is on PC? And then saw, oh... epic store
rigid crescent
yeah for some reason Game Capture doesn't work so I have to go through the trouble of setting my main monitor up for a Window Capture
covert blade
oof
rigid crescent
I got off work tomorrow, so I can go to the teahouse event i normally cant attend siunce it's an hour or two before i wake up for work ❤️
peak cipher
cool thnks guys
covert blade
Hmm I see, at which time is that?
peak cipher
followed you and put on notifications on for you mic
rigid crescent
tyty
peak cipher
anytime
like i said im jsut there to help and support people it is jsut the right thing to do is to help out your friends
faint skiff
Also he's on Quest which he's not mentioned here.
peak cipher
what is quest btw i hear about it and i have no clue what it is
rigid crescent
who's on quest
faint skiff
The guy asking for Detroit avatars.
lean veldt
Like dbh?
rigid crescent
oh he'll definitely never find one unless someone just really likes the game
I know someone who might be able to get a DBH model down to Quest quality and still have it look good, but that's gonna cost money
shrewd meteor
Is anyone else having problems when they join a world its a black screen and it kicks you to a random Public?
faint skiff
Anyone know if Owl has changed the Pug recently? I keep being teleported back to spswn almost constantky.
rigid crescent
It was apparently updated on the 24th
vocal shard
I haven't been to the pug in a while
rough pulsar
Got any weird colliders on you? I know he has some systems to keep users mostly within the appropriate bounds.
snow token
I get teleported all the time too
faint skiff
Only my sinle giant inverted one to keep the tail above ground but ive always had it
Looks like it was the chair on the tip of my tail
twilit fiber
Can you talk on vr chat with a head set?
molten gale
Nono everyone in vrchat is mute
viscid seal
😄
molten gale
Yays ^^
Am pretty bored atm sadly
Vrchat was kinda dead today
Publics are basically unusable because of the many kids and I had nobody to join
twilit fiber
I hate you guys
vocal shard
That's not nice 
ruby needle
make sure mic's allowed for this party apps on windows 10, and that you have the right headset selected in the game settings
shrewd meteor
Its been doing it all day to my friends and I
vocal shard
welp heere we go again black screen reloading loop :3
vocal shard
are they ever going to fucking fix it?
rigid crescent
it happens fairly often to people with poor connections
rigid crescent
Have you actually looked into it or are you just saying that? I mean there couldbe other reasons, that's just the most common one
vocal shard
looked into what, exactly? there's nothing to look into
molten gale
Ofc there is
vocal shard
I literally have 30 up and 300 down, I reinstalled, verified, and tried between ethernet and wireless
It's not me it's the game, alot of other people are suddenly having this issue
umbral reef
Speed =/= good internet
molten gale
Thats been an issue for quite a while
umbral reef
Having 200 terrabite up and down but with a 99% packetloss rate is bad internet for example
vocal shard
your point? should actually try to be fixed rather than constantly ignored lmao
It's been bad for the past four days, hasn't got any better. It's constant
vocal shard
bro are you an idiot? My internet is perfectly fine lmfao
molten gale
You sure?
vocal shard
umbral reef
Ow yea the 10K users online are also totally sure having black loading screens while playing
Its for SURE on Vrchats end with all the users not playing the game 🙂
vocal shard
totally just me LUL
do yourself a favor and search 'black screen' in the discord search bar, you guys are absolutely moronic
umbral reef
Thats what? 20 people in two days? While thousands got no problem?
molten gale
^
vocal shard
just because thousands of people are in the game doesn't mean they're not having issues getting around the servers, dumbass
umbral reef
Also im just here waiting for you to say internet speed is all that matters about the network
vocal shard
I never said that though, you guys are shitting on my internet when it's clearly the games shitty servers
molten gale
Someone sure knows how to ask for help when having issues
umbral reef
Ironic enough your problem aint with VRC but there service host amazone
molten gale
throwing insults around will sure make it easier
umbral reef
@molten gale Gotta be toxic you know, how else can you show your a big brain
vocal shard
alright well keep defending the shitty game while nothing is resolved, and also completely ignore the fact that a shit ton of people are having issues playing the game. But oh, I guess it's fine because a lot of people are able to get in. Suppose our developers should completely void it because they have enough players online right now. That totally makes it okay
molten gale
It must be the increased user count if its the servers and not you
vocal shard
Your guys logic is super flawed, and at some point you'll have to come to realize that lmao
umbral reef
I literally get payed to have this flawed logic
vocal shard
been breaking even with 6k users
molten gale
Vrchat doesnt have control over the servers
umbral reef
So nah
vocal shard
they do have control over the servers though, what are you on about dude
it's not their host but they can still get in contact with amazon
umbral reef
Ow sure- They can call up amazone and get them to fix it for them 🙂
molten gale
They only bought them
umbral reef
They will for sure solve your local networking failing
But ey- Its VRC fault, not your ISP
vocal shard
yiiikes
molten gale
Always look at yourself before pointing your finger at others
umbral reef
Also- Did your actions from a few minutes ago make you feel good?
umbral reef
Pretty sure he would get ignored if he is that toxic towards them
umbral reef
But ey- Guess its a good feeling to be ignorant and be insulting people
queen mango
Help vampires like him.. they're mentally draining
vocal shard
hello is the bx stickied on updated recently for you too?
queen mango
No matter how many times I eat it, it just grows back
vocal shard
just wondering before i report, maybe its bugged for me only
molten gale
Doesnt that get boring eating the same boiga over and over again?
@vocal shard #user-support-old
vocal shard
ok
queen mango
Well, of course. Except this burger's an SCP
queen mango
Just like the contents on the beef patty
rigid crescent
damn i missed a pile of stupid
molten gale
Sooo one of my power sources is a biogenerator, does an infinite boiga mean infinite energy?
rigid crescent
i don't get why people think good speed = good internet
queen mango
@molten gale Maybe, but that's another time
rigid crescent
that's why i asked them if they checked it or n ot
crystal fossil
And now I want a burger instead of asian food. Tha hecc.
queen mango
Word of advice, a burger is a bad choice for nourishment.
umbral reef
@rigid crescent because they fam is happy they are able to plug in all the right cables and actually click yes when asked for updates. What means they get told they are good with IT. What makes them think they are smart while a monkey can do the same often
molten gale
Yeah but thats boring
rigid crescent
I'm at Level 2 where Im smart enough to just google most of my issues so people think im even smarter than the people who just plug stuff in lol
crystal fossil
Can replace cheese with bacon.
molten gale
Eh
crystal fossil
I'd do turkey bacon.
molten gale
I prefer chiken wings and such
crystal fossil
Turkey bacon best bacon. Change my mind.
molten gale
Way easier to eat
umbral reef
Proper level 3 here. I can actually solve problems by smashing on the machine by now
crystal fossil
The question is level 3 what. 😏
molten gale
Dont like biting into something while holding it together so it doesnt explode on me
snow token
Bacon is related to vrchat
molten gale
I prefer food that doesnt fall apart
crystal fossil
So like.
Idk.
Everything.
Chicken is greasy and crumby. At least burger has handles.
IE the bun.
crystal fossil
But turkey bacon.
snow token
are you ok
snow token
kidding turkey bacon is lovely too
crystal fossil
I'm so dumb. I'm in such a dumb mood. Time to get food.
crystal fossil
I was acting dumb. I felt funny. \o/
I really noticed the importance of avatar performance earlier. I enlightened myself. Before it was just kind of like this ambiguous things that I did because I felt like I had to. Now it's like... boom!
I was in a world and getting 120fps in VR for the first time in memory.
polar jasper
Now imagine everyone doing that
crystal fossil
I switched to this.. public avatar and instantly dropped to 60-70fps.
I wasn't even looking in a mirror or seeing my entire model. Just wearing it dropped me from 120fps to 60ps.
Like wth. Enlightenment.
polar jasper
It's like the "Pug is laggy" convo all over again.
Yet, I've been there multiple times (private events do mind) and frames haven't dropped below acceptable numbers.
vocal shard
everyone is ignoring me! I cannot play vrchat because I CANNOT HEAR anyone
crystal fossil
The way you're asking for help isn't likely to make anyone want to help. @vocal shard
Some people still will. But you're not making it attractive.
vocal shard
first time playing vrchat in vr and cannot hear anyone talking or any sound other than the menu buttons
polar jasper
#user-support-old you can use for that btw
vocal shard
ok moving there
polar jasper
Then you just got be patient and wait for a reply from someone who might know/do know what's wrong
jade hill
peak cipher
Is it just me or is there a lot of just people expecting their issues resolved in a matter of seconds
peak cipher
We should have learned pur lesson about that long ago. Why do we continue down the same road. I wish I could show more compassion but it’s hard when people are just so like if I don’t get it I’m gonna make your life miserable
vocal shard
That's also humanity for ya
peak cipher
Your not like that though atlus you’ve been really kind to me dood
vocal shard
Have I?
peak cipher
Thank you for being so understanding my friend
vocal shard
now I'm confused...
peak cipher
And I’m being real here
Naw don’t be there is a lot of people here who’s really kind
Your one of them there are just some bad apples out there who like to cause grief for everyone else I just want to know why I don’t understand
vocal shard
I'm just a guy who's been through stuff and sees no reason to be an ass to ppl who don't deserve it
peak cipher
❤️ much respect my friend
vocal shard
you don't know me too well XD, Im a HUGE troll
peak cipher
If your a troll I’m an ohgerre!!! Lol jk jk
But seriously thank you for having patience with me
peak cipher
mic good luck on that my friend
rigid crescent
we might hit the elusive 13k, or maybe 14k
hai
