Day 156. I finally left the mirror. Wait... This game isn't hard capped at 45 fps?
#vrchat-general-2
twin fractal
vocal shard
Wait, maybe that's why my game crashes when I'm in game on my laptop
rigid crescent
can't say ive seen a dragon model in ages
the old lulucos
oh actually i do know a few dragon girls but their models are pretty tame
faint skiff
Litterally a Dragon and I dont even know what he is referring to
vocal shard
XD I was thinking the same thing, en
rigid crescent
probably projecting lol
exotic pulsar
is it me or does the beta feel a lot smoother and faster?
indigo fern
Lucoa 😂
Luluco is that space patrol anime
devout island
how dare you disrespect lucoa no one calls her luluco
vocal shard
Yea! You call her Big Tits McGee and nothing else
shadow pollen
hi
sick arrow
sup humans
crystal fossil
I only have the booth dragon girl that's more dragon than girl. I edited her proportions, changed her textures and generated AO, metallic, spec, roughness, and height maps for her. She looks noice now.
She has a top-tier smile.
snow wadi
Oh I think I might know which one you speak of, she was at one of the vket worlds right?
I think there's one where she's wearing a maids outfit and another wearing a swimsuit.
vocal shard
serious question, does anyone have a vive cosmos
one of my friends keeps telling me to order an occulous S XD
but i like the look fo the cosmos better and i read its light weight at least
plus they dropped the price 100$ XD
The cosmos has bad reviews and the tracking right now is not playable in most game due to bugs. As of right now, the Rift S is much better.
It's a shame because the actual Vive cosmos headset is good, but the tracking system makes it near unplayable
The Rift S is lighter and more comfortable than the Cosmos as well
hollow sluice
Lets just say theres a reason its only 100$. You wont enjoy using it.
snow wadi
Also the tracking can never be fixed because it's a hardware issue, not software.
hollow sluice
Yup. They can make it a bit better. But the fact they cheaped out on the tracking so much means its pretty much a dead product
cold talon
Yike, how did they mess up the tracking so much?
snow wadi
By being ignorant.
They got butthurt when valve said "no thank you" for the next headset.
vocal shard
I'm guessing their Controllers rely more on optical tracking, and internal sensors second, which is the opposite of that Oculus and wmr do
pseudo basalt
It's clear valve wanted to push the medium
While HTC wants to push into the mainstream more
But then again so does oculus
Their implementation was just better
cold talon
HTC into the mainstream? Hmm dunno about that
pseudo basalt
Well why would they make a inside out tracking headset then
It would clearly have inferior tracking
But be more appealing because it's easier to setup
People who are used to Vive tracking won't want to downgrade
They could have planned lighthouse support if they wanted to cover more ground like oculus did with their link
snow wadi
If they did it like Oculus did, then people would actually consider it.
snow wadi
But since they decided to use the worst method for tracking...
pseudo basalt
they were going for the same market the quest has now
vocal shard
Not with that price tag
pseudo basalt
At least in theory because it just doesn't make sense otherwise
snow wadi
Oculus was very smart to pull in Lenovo for the rift S.
pseudo basalt
tracking is important and Vive had pretty damn good tracking
you can't just go from the best to the worst and expect it to cover the same market 
vocal shard
Yeah, but so does oculus insight. It actually surprises me how good inside out tracking got in just a couple years
cold talon
Well inside out tracking isn't necessarily for easy setup, they could have chosen it because it allows bigger tracking areas too
pseudo basalt
It's plug and play
vocal shard
I know many who went from Vive to rift S and like the tracking.
If it's badly implemened, it's not really fair to the tracking method as a whole
snow wadi
I knew it could improve, they just needed the right folks to pull it off.
pseudo basalt
in the sense of easier tracking
snow wadi
Htc tried to go at it alone...not the best idea thus far.
They had a department that had no idea what they were doing lol
crystal fossil
Was trying to look her up, but I can't find her right now. I doubt this model can wear clothes though.
snow wadi
...what?
vocal shard
The cosmos just feels like they tried to do everything half heartedly, it's like pimax over again
cold talon
Swimsuit headset edition 
crystal fossil
Doragonoid.
snow wadi
What is happening?!
crystal fossil
ded
cold talon
Oh, pimax haven't heard that name in ages Jamie
snow wadi
Fov is true to their product but the clarity is apparently rubbish.
pseudo basalt
Hmm
snow wadi
It's just upscaled.
cold talon
8k 
4k per eye
1080 upscaled to 4k 
snow wadi
Yes but UPSCALED 4k.
calm sable
they have some true 4k ones coming
hollow sluice
I tried the pimax 5k for a bit
calm sable
their product stack is confusing as hell they have like 8 different headsets now
hollow sluice
The resolution is pretty clear. At leat compared to the vive
And the fov is just amazing feeling
But even a 2080ti jas issues running the damn thing
cold talon
We're the lenses ok? I remember that some complained about them, or might be remembering wrong, dunno
hollow sluice
Forme yes but if your eyes are closer together the lenses might be in the way of your nose
vocal shard
I remember the 5k+ pixel clarity always being compared to the Lenovo explorer (minus the fov)
hollow sluice
Yeah I cant speak on that since I never tried a different headset other than vive and pimax
vocal shard
One reviwer put them both on the table and said the visual experience is very close, just the pimax has much larger fov and better lenses. The actual LCD screens and perceived pixel fill/size and colour was similar
hollow sluice
Oh yeah I remember the blacks being as bad as quest link blacks
jovial echo
any reason why the usb devices on the back of my computer randomly disconnect?
vrchat crashes as a side effect
faint skiff
Something tripping the polyfuse?
tawny thorn
check power options
usb selective suspend setting is on by default
get rid of that
pseudo basalt
Might that be why my vive decides to randomly drop my deluxe audio strap and switch to my speakers an hour in
Even tho it was set to default device it just disconnects and reconnects
Gonna have to check that as well
tawny thorn
selective suspend would hit my mouse constantly years ago
never missed hitting the off setting since
trail rain
kok ga ada indonesia di chat internasional
umbral reef
Not enough people have asked for one
trail rain
kamu indo juga kok bisa ngerti
hollow sluice
Speak english in these chats please
trail rain
heheheheheheheee....
steel pebble
Today I watched a Domo and a roll of toilet paper get into a heated argument about religion and creationism
It was great
desert stratus
vrchat wonderful
inner cape
wait, thats illegal
vocal shard
what are people here's thoughts on lavender? i heard a couple people talking about it earlier but haven't been able to parse much from the steam page
faint skiff
I heard it's not very far along yet so it's not worth really looking into
umbral reef
Well the fact its going to be buy on release might be its death
Not odds that its that but for social games thats risky to do
pseudo basalt
Who knows, that's a long way off
hollow sluice
well since vrchat is so developed already, unless Lavander has some break trough feature than I dont think it will live for very long
pure hemlock
I have my fingers crossed for Udon and Lavender both. We need more social VR experiences aside from just sitting in front of a mirror or running around memeing
hollow sluice
from what I looked they dont really offer anything that vrchat cant yet
pure hemlock
Lavender's big feature I am interested in right now is the ability to host your own server and customize it with LUA scripting so you basically have GMOD in VR. But I think the scripting is still infantile in the game
pseudo basalt
Yeah lavander and vrc have overlap but seem like different things
But there's chilloutvr as well
And s&box maybe eventually
hollow sluice
yeah. that could be cool but than again vrchat is getting its own scripting language so we can do stuff like that with worlds
faint skiff
My main concern is that if a bunch of different but similar things end up succeeding, you'll end up with annoyingly segregated friends. Even worse for those of us that want to build/maintain worlds 😦
pure hemlock
VRChat is getting a visual scripting language though which historically have been far more limiting so... fingers super crossed
pseudo basalt
Well, there's different social media because they carve out their own niche
pure hemlock
I think competition is good though and I think each will have their own type of community.
pseudo basalt
Competition is good
VRC still has lots of issues and development is slow on some fronts
pure hemlock
VRChat is turning into the teenager vr hotspot. Lavender I am hoping will be a more mature crowd (Although I am concerned about egos)
pseudo basalt
If you host your own server then you have your own moderation
umbral reef
The problem is the market
How many Social VR players are there? How many are in VRchat
How many would care to move for a more technical impresive platform
umbral reef
You kinda get into the facebook story
Plenty of better, more safe, more ethical platforms then facebook out there. They still wont win
pseudo basalt
There's only so much you can do that you can't do in discord
Lots of friends who'd spend all day in vrc now play other games and only hop on once in a while
Others live in vr but are bored of it anyway, it's just their comfort zone
If there's nothing to do the game gets stale
umbral reef
@pure hemlock Well its payed so it will for sure be more dedicated and overall older peeps
pure hemlock
Most people won't leave VRChat for awhile since that's where our friends are so I don't think it's going to be a mass exodus
I personally prefer it being paid entry since from my experience with other games people behave a bit better when they risk losing money
umbral reef
And 20$ aint nothing unlike with CS;GO that goes on sale for stupidly cheap
hollow sluice
you mean free?
faint skiff
Facebook can directly advertise their own product to almost the entire planet, so they'll always have a leg-up there.
Just like how they keep showing me adverts to buy the Quest.
ruby needle
thats more you setting of a lot of vr flags for advertisers 
pseudo basalt
just buy it and they'll stop showing them 
faint skiff
Not sure I've ever discussed VR on Facebook
pseudo basalt
Facebook harvest lots of sites you visit
If the site has a share on facebook button, it knows you've been there
umbral reef
And even if it doesnt big odds they know
pseudo basalt
I think that's the main thing
umbral reef
They got tracking 'pixels' as they call it that track your data without you having any idea
faint skiff
Yeah, I have all the adblockers enabled on every browser.
Doesn't stop everything, but should catch the majority of it.
twin fractal
None of this data mining avoiding is worth the effort
mighty nest
The ad blocking portion of it is Def worth the effort. Going off grid to avoid any data collection is asinine though, unless your running from the govt.
umbral reef
laughs in all my info not being sold to healthcare providers in a few years what would result in me getting higher bills for googling things
also this is more fitting for #general-media
faint skiff
Anyone tried using NavMeshes and NavMeshAgents in VRChat? I'm not sure if it actually has all the scripts needed to move them around.
rigid crescent
Lol late to the lavender stuff but it's definitely gonna turn into the /vrg/ containment game lol
faint skiff
Are you having a stronk Mic
faint skiff
Surprisingly not far off but my brain refused to interpret it.
polar jasper
You can use the standard asset nav stuff Enverex
snow wadi
@modern sand 
exotic pulsar
I definitely feel like I jumped into the VRC bandwagon too late
exotic pulsar
True
And the only real reason I started to actually get into it is because I have two years of modeling experience and some Unity experience now so I'm starting to figure out how to actually get things into the gane
indigo fern
😲 thats always exciting
exotic pulsar
Yeah. Albeit it's a bit more jank than other setups (I model in Fusion 360 because I bought a 3D printer and taught myself it to make things IRL), it's a lot of fun
faint skiff
@polar jasper The help documentation for Unity says you create a navmesh, put a nav thingy on the object, but then navigation is handled via scripts, which won't work as they'd be stripped.
atomic palm
boop
polar jasper
@faint skiff that’s what I’m saying though, Standard Assets has a simple version of this that you can use.
faint skiff
OH, sorry, I thought you meant Unity's standard components, I forgot "Standard Assets" was actually a thing.
polar jasper
Like, you still use the unity components 😛
But yeah, standard assets got that and works fine. Though old code and not that great
faint skiff
Ok, the AI one is terrifying. Also it acts just like a real desktop user, running around jumping constantly.
twin fractal
Do you have unity on your PC?
faint skiff
@vocal shard Are you absolutely sure it doesn't already exist in game?
twin fractal
Guess not lol
faint skiff
I've been seeing more and more reuploads of stuff for Quest recently, badly optimised and even worse, Quest only. It's a mess.
slate verge
frosty veldt
Do you think quest users will optimize more as time goes on? I would say, on average, that PC avatars are more optimized than they were a year ago.
faint skiff
Quest users, in general, have absolutely no idea what they are doing. So I'd say with almost certainty, no.
You'll get a handful of people that know what they're doing (e.g. qb) but most aren't technically inclined and the userbase errs towards the MUCH younger end of the scale too.
frosty veldt
Yeah that makes sense. I would assume that some people will step forward as usually happens but the general populace won't.
prisma lark
yeehaw
lunar cedar
It always gives me a shock when I go to check whether I should unhide someone perfblocked to see that green dot on the nameplate.
twin fractal
Insane
ruby needle
No, it's one united server 
lunar cedar
There is one
muted bronze
there is no vrchat in Japan?
ruby needle
it's not a dezentralised network, no.
polar jasper
There are instances with Japanese people, but you're connected via US servers
vocal shard
They all play on the same server, just different instances
ruby needle
there is some specific maps which attrackt different types of specific languages
Japanese shrine would be one for Japanese people for example
muted bronze
I want japanese only server for vrchat
ruby needle
I want to become a millionaire.
muted bronze
can I find it?
ruby needle
As we allready said, there is no Japanese only server.
It's all one united Server, and that is located in the US.
ruby needle
You can only try to find Japanese people by looking at worlds that are common for that.
muted bronze
better latency
twin fractal
This is so sad
lunar cedar
And split users up? That would be more damage than it's worth. Latency is frustrating, (trust me, my internet is garbage, ik) but it's not game-breaking like for an fps.
frosty veldt
Splitting servers would split friends
polar jasper
Tbh, not really
lunar cedar
A cloud setup that could relay across regions would be great though.
twin fractal
Yes really
polar jasper
The person starting the instance would define the region, and the rest will connect to that
ruby needle
then other run into the same issue
and it's worsening it
cus you'll have inconsistency
while now everyone knows what to adjust to
frosty veldt
Now you just choose who will lag
prisma lark
Sup
lunar cedar
If the connection between regions was on a dedicated line (ie through a private cloud), it would be much better.
polar jasper
All we are doing is connecting to one of many Photon servers, but are limited to US only.
This connection can be swapped at any time.
lunar cedar
Much better than nearly non-existent international routes from some ISPs
polar jasper
So if a EU or Asian person starts a instance, it should be fair that the instance should be closest to them.
Connection wise it makes no difference.
frosty veldt
Yeah I feel that
twin fractal
That's cool
mighty nest
Just move to the US where the servers are located. Is latency really that important in a game like VRchat tho?
polar jasper
For game worlds, yes
ruby needle
and to some degree vocal latency can suck
lunar cedar
Conversations can get confusing real fast
twin fractal
I meant having and entire different server for Japan would not be good. Not individual instances tied to their nearest server
frosty veldt
Especially with Udon coming out there should be more game worlds and the competitive ones can suffer from latency
polar jasper
Well, if you understand how photon works in VRChat then you'd see that we don't stay connected all the time. We actually disconnect from the server and connect again to the new instance we're joining
So, having region based servers for what ever instance you're in should be possible.
umbral reef
Only limits to the problem to some users- Latency will still be a problem if you want to play EU + NA + JP or anything like that
One group has to have latency thats high
twin fractal
It would still be better overall I guess
sonic lynx
yo
polar jasper
Someone will always have high latency =/
sonic lynx
looking for someone to do memes with
rigid crescent
i kinda wanna know how you "do memes" together
broken plover
you vibe
twin fractal
We vibin'
broken plover
twin fractal
Hand em over👀
broken plover
no theyre my vibes 
sonic lynx
dm me if you wanna start a cult
graceful pewter
I'm good I'm already in the cult of wensleydale cheese
faint skiff
CHEESE Gromit
graceful pewter
lol
long sparrow
vocal shard
So how does one commission a custom avatar anyways? And roughly how much do they cost
And does anyone accept girl lapdances as currency 
vocal shard
Are you sure
broken plover
not anyone
vocal shard
I'll even moan exotically
ruby needle
if you do actually wanna check out commissions check out VRC Traders over at #community-servers-old
umbral reef
A proper original avatar can cost without a problem up to 1K
umbral reef
some unorignal kitbash- Few bucks really
Some original kitbashing- 100 $$$ or something like that
vocal shard
I'd try to model my own before paying 1k XD
broken plover
thats why most commisions are just kitbashing (different premade assets thrown together)
vocal shard
100$ not that bad
Yeah I dont need anything that fancy XD
I just like slutty avatars with a decent rigging and a good set of dance songs
umbral reef
Big odds you can find those for free lmao
ruby needle
just dont forget the TOS 
vocal shard
I got like 10 saved but I'd like to condense my list
Yes yes the nipples are covered relax
And I stay away from the kids
molten gale
Once a friend asked me to fix their model
First thing I did was edit out the privates
Then I fixed the model
vocal shard
I seen people go in with avatar dicks hanging out
molten gale
TOS
broken plover
I only saw one and it was a friend in an invite only session with only friends so all good lol
vocal shard
That avatar mine pls
umbral reef
Thats totally nsfw lmao
ruby needle
thats not how that works
molten gale
I have a friend that constantly uses nsfw models, makes me so uncomfortable
vocal shard
Well I'm straight but I'm turned on by this cat girl <.<
molten gale
I aint a cat
vocal shard
No the one in the video lol
molten gale
Keep it wholesome
pseudo basalt
Pretty sure you can get avatars like that in avatar worlds if you look well enough
vocal shard
In your good old Christian server
umbral reef
Paci trust me its really not worth talking to them about these things
vocal shard
I didnt look good then ccause I only found crop tops
molten gale
Good
vocal shard
Yknow the crop tops with the under boob
It's ok my friends can all help me look again
umbral reef
I should add some bleach on my avatar 🤔
And combine it with that waifu cup
molten gale
molten gale
Hell naw, keep it wholesome
vocal shard
Then go back to studying
ruby needle
I think we'd rather stay in compliance with the rules
molten gale
^
pseudo basalt
You and 90% of vrchat's trashy community 
vocal shard
So toxic
vocal shard
Just embrace the jiggle physics
rigid crescent
it's ok, most people aren't trash the trashy ones are just more vocal lol
sonic lynx
hey i am a vrchat photographer anyone need something
rigid crescent
"jiggly physics" very few people can do good dynamic bones lol
pseudo basalt
I mean 90% of the trashy ones, not 90% of the community
vocal shard
Actually the only thing that runs the game to me
Is those people with that shit that invades your screen
What's that called n plays rly loudmusic
molten gale
Thats why safety settings exist
rigid crescent
you'd think with all the unoptimized thot avatars that someone would figure out the good DB settings
400 bones for the hair and only one per tit? Come on
indigo fern
half of them still dont even make root bones 
curves non existent, uniform movement through the whole chain
umbral reef
You mean my dbones can have curves and should not just be tweaked by the 4 settings they got?
You mean hair doesnt move fast and then not at all anymore irl?
molten gale
New outfits for my avatar will be better on performance woop
indigo fern
😲
molten gale
Paul I need the individual meshes
also its only 2 on what I use atm
The new outfits wont need the huge amount of dynbones in the skirt
So it will only be hair dynbones
rigid crescent
it wouldn't be as bad if people making the "cool" unoptimized models at least put that unoptmization to good use
pseudo basalt
pseudo basalt
Rate
mynewavatar
indigo fern
hand colliders to affect the entire back hair that they in no way would ever reach
rigid crescent
@vocal shard replace your mod emote with the JamieSick lol
vocal shard
No
rigid crescent
No my favorite is hand colliders on thighs
You know why they exist? to show off you can touch your thigh. thats it. nothing else
indigo fern
hand on thigh, at least they can actually reach that
rigid crescent
Never will you ever touch your thighs other than to say "look i have thigh physics"
EVER
pseudo basalt
Colliders all over your body so your hair "realistically" bounces off your shoulders and and arms
rigid crescent
and all they do is make you look goofy when you rest your hands a certain wait while sitting
indigo fern
like i mean for the all the back hair with a hand collider is silly
molten gale
I have 2 colliders, one in each hand so I can play with hair and ears
indigo fern
like maybe the hair on the side, but anything behind your head wont be touched by your own hands like ever
rigid crescent
but i have a version without it 😄
molten gale
I have it for the side hair, that single top hair and the ears
pseudo basalt
Hope we just get new bones that are intractable and better performance wise
I don't like how the colliders work that much
rigid crescent
You'll still never see anyone interact with their thighs other than to say "i can move my thighs" lol
pseudo basalt
And to play with my hair I usually slap my headset so it doesn't work very well anyway so I don't bother
rigid crescent
yeah my little side-thingies i mess with sometimes
molten gale
Never seen anyone interact with thighs
broken plover
thighs
rigid crescent
i have, but just to show off the fact they can do it, otherwise it's a pointless collision
indigo fern
yea i know mic, but still, those are minimal amount of collision checks anyway, we gotta complain about the big ones first
rigid crescent
nah make it all go
molten gale
Many people like to play with my hair >~<
indigo fern
also, not setting any height on the collider and using multiple ones for a big area 👏
rigid crescent
or if it's gonna be unoptimized at least make it good lol
pseudo basalt
well if it's a type of person that puts colliders on their thighs you can be sure that they already have too many
pseudo basalt
then it's all jelly
rigid crescent
oh and teach them proper DB ramp so their tits arent flapping in the wind when they walk. so many of these are designed for sitting still and nothing else
molten gale
Booth models usually have their colliders and dyn bones set up very well
rigid crescent
"wow this model looks nice" then it moves and everything just flaps like crazy
molten gale
Lmao
indigo fern
literally calm your tits
pseudo basalt
This actually reminds me that I haven't made a proper avatar in ages, and the last one I made didn't even have dynamic bones on the hair because I never made a root bone for it
molten gale
"undo the calamity that is your titties"
pseudo basalt
(it has a hat anyway)
indigo fern
i just recently started importing some idolmaster trash waifus
molten gale
Lmao
indigo fern
from one of the mobile games, so if i can get the poly count slightly lower i should be able to upload for quest too
but am i going to, eh
crystal fossil
I used to like Colliders on biceps or one on chest offset to span the width of the shoulders.
I didn't really go crazy.
crystal fossil
On biceps, you can just run arms through the long hair on your back without looking silly.
indigo fern
People used to do that when those rag doll avatars were popular
umbral reef
Make the entire avatar a root bone
indigo fern
Or having an entire avatar shrunken down in your hand with everything a dynabone lmao
crystal fossil
And if you happen to have big breasts your arms brush them around realistically.
pseudo basalt
God I remember those derpy ookas joining with every bone being dynamic and instantly lagging all the instance down to 10 fps
indigo fern
That's pretty big brain saigo, the realism 😲
pseudo basalt
And you'd hear people scramble to find out who it is so they can call a vote kick
rigid crescent
oh god the DB on root
indigo fern
Its funny, back then the game didn't have too much extra stuff so it didn't even lag as much as it would now
You know, after the camera update 
pseudo basalt
It would only lag that much if it was intentional
crystal fossil
The real big brain db user knows what the curves are and is using them masterfully. 😏
Then you rarely need colliders anyway.
umbral reef
Curves are fake dbone elitism news
crystal fossil
Lol
faint skiff
That only works if that bit has a lot of dbones, which most don't because you have to stay below the limit 😦
crystal fossil
Not true.
umbral reef
Proper bone setup- Proper weight painting and some proper settings with curves can make things look creepy realistic
indigo fern
I mean, somewhat true, a curve is gonna look a lot better affecting 5 bones in a chain rather than 2
crystal fossil
The weights are good? You mathed the threshold for the bones along the curve? Perfect every time.
You can do a LOT with monster tier weight painting magic.
faint skiff
Yeah, a curve does virtually nothing with 2 bones as there's literally only one pivot point
crystal fossil
You can also just use a trick called End Length. And add like 1.
frosty veldt
Colliders arnt bad when used tactfully. Just stay under the limits
indigo fern
You kinda need end length anyway, else that last bone moves wonky
crystal fossil
End Length has use cases.
umbral reef
I cant find the clip on my twitter anymore but had the perfect example of a stupidly good looking dbone setup that was more optimized then almost all
frosty veldt
Would be cool to get more primitive collision shapes other than spheres and capsules
raven mango
@faint skiff did you find a way to prevent the black screen?@twin fractal
oh and @ me as well just incase
frosty veldt
There was one guy with a client where he could mess with other people's dynamic bones and he was dissapointed I didn't have breast physics lol
crystal fossil
Lol They depend on the radius being big enough too. But I set radii to 0 if I don't have colliders.
So they're still disappointed.
frosty veldt
You can still interact with radii 0 bones IIRC just have to be exactly on em
crystal fossil
Goooood luck.
indigo fern
I'm sure they'd quit if they don't see immediate movement or something lmao
Goldfish attention span
frosty veldt
He tried for a bit even though my avatar was a skeleton so I dunno about that
crystal fossil
lol xD
frosty veldt
It's hard to explain exactly what the avatar is but there's no flesh at least in that area
faint skiff
@raven mango On 2018?
crystal fossil
I wasn't saying Env has not stellar weight painting btw. Env's dragon looks like it has a looot of effort put in, and I've only seen screenshots.
faint skiff
Oh, I'm terrible at weight painting
crystal fossil
Weightpainting is a pain. The way you do it can be really unintuitive.
Wish I could just open up a flat UV map window next to the 3d window and just edit weight values in the UV window.
Only a pain if you stack UVs, but you can hide stacks anyway.
Actually, I'd be really surprised if there's not a plug in for that. It sounds nice as hecc.
No chance of editing the weights behind the part you're editing. Much more precision. Huh.
indigo fern
hm, i didnt do much rigging in 3ds max when i used it, but i think it was called a weight table, if it exists there im sure someone tried to make it in blender
crystal fossil
HUH. Yeah editing weightpainting in the 3d window can suck a lot.
indigo fern
it was a pretty organized chart too lmao
oh hm, apparently there is something at least
https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/modeling/meshes/properties/vertex_groups/vertex_weights.html
crystal fossil
Oooh. No, like.. imagine just editing UVs for an atlas.
But turn the UV editor into a weightpaint editor.
indigo fern
ohhh, i see, so you just want like a better layout, not like a well calculated chart
frosty veldt
Not the same but if you press m you can select specific parts to weightpaint so you dont accidently weight something else
pseudo basalt
Blender 2.79 had a weight table
rigid crescent
https://twitter.com/ShaderFes/status/1204402457603764224 3 more days 😤
twin fractal
not having dynamic bones on your eyelashes is actually unplayable
crystal fossil
lul
rigid crescent
how have i not seen that yet
crystal fossil
Big lul
jagged jungle
Oh I was in the wrong area
crystal fossil
I should have my net back in time for that event.
Maybe I'll run into some of you.
rigid crescent
im gonna spend way too much money at this thing
jagged jungle
Are avatar creators here too? And any do commissions?
crystal fossil
It really does look like it's full of shaders I'd just have in my project and probably never use. Buuuut Still fun to look at the event.
The only part that really interested me was watching the light on those mannequins. xD
rigid crescent
Yeah that's probably how it'll be for me as well
just interesting stuff to have "just in case" lol
maybe throw on a model for literally no reason
crystal fossil
Lol I have too much of that already.
rigid crescent
yea luckily for free booth stuff i can just add it to favorites
crystal fossil
Shader collection grows weekly.
errant hare
@jagged jungle go to #community-servers-old and look for VRCTraders
jagged jungle
Alright
twin fractal
Ko-hi
errant hare
sup
inner cape
ko-bye
crystal fossil
lol
inner cape
dw saigo, i got you
crystal fossil
People pronounce my name wrong 50% of the time anyway.
inner cape
how
lunar cedar
Same here. It's either Jake or Jakeen and not Jak Ene. How is Saigo mispronounced?
crystal fossil
Say go.
Instead of Sigh go.
Or, more accurately Sigh ii go
But Sigh go is fine.
rigid crescent
oh it's not actually sigh-go lol
crystal fossil
I prefer Sigh go over Say go. 😂
Sigh go at least sounds close.
Kind of one of those things you don't correct when it happens though. That's uncool.
inner cape
@glossy wharf
rigid crescent
LOL
inner cape
ezy clap
crystal fossil
lul
inner cape
thats how i read it
errant hare
It is さいご isn't it?
errant hare
I like hiragana more cos I can read it
crystal fossil
That's perfectly understandable.
I still need to study more myself.
I'm not even considered literate yet.
errant hare
Very disturbing stuff shows up when you type something in hiragana and press space
Oh no, this isn't random chat. Hide before FPaul spots us
tribal basalt
Hello everyone
exotic pulsar
rigid crescent
it should, are you looking in the right one
oh wait you mean the crash log im guessing
faint skiff
in here AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\VRChat
rigid crescent
yeah that should be written as you play
crystal fossil
It's on exit and the older one is replaced with a new one on exit.
rigid crescent
wuuut
rigid crescent
oh from back when they made them stay instead of wipe?
oh right right, you might be looking in the one from the past session
crystal fossil
It's set up kind of so you'd have to exit the game twice to lose both current output logs.
I have doubts that it's written real-time, but maybe? Never watched it. I assumed it just created the log on exit.
faint skiff
im in game and there isnt a current log, i dont want to exit, last log is 2 hours old
rigid crescent
it's definitely written in real time, or was. I've had to open it and close it for it to refresh but
even small stuff like opening and closing your mic would update it
crystal fossil
Interesting.
I haven't needed it in probably a year though. I just see it when I go clear my cache.
rigid crescent
hmm im jsut getting on so lemme se where mine goes
solemn ibex
Somehow could tell me why my vrchat runs now on 10fps in and out of VR?
solemn ibex
Just normal headphones since my rift headphones are broke and it just happened after i updated the oculus software and updated their drivers
rigid crescent
hmm, normally if the game cant find an output, it just locks you at like 10FPS due to some weird unity bug
solemn ibex
Before i got offline because of sleep it was fine xD
Found it, why updates are always so weird with implement "virtual headphones" in the audio settings of your system, jesus x.x
vocal shard
anyone here have map recommendations?
faint skiff
Unfortunately lots of the lighting is borked as im waiting for 2018 to go live before it can be updated
tribal basalt
I'm just curious is there a place where I can commission a model to be made?
rigid crescent
Check the #community-servers-old for VRCTraders
https://imgur.com/a/Y5o5v2h there we go
glossy wharf
@inner cape 
carmine pumice
Hey Im having trouble with audio from vrchat
I try to play, but theres no audio coming through my headphones
Everything else works except vrchat
Any help?
abstract girder
wow vr is something else to get used to
tulip umbra
strong stirrup
Anyone got a avatar with usable guns
pseudo basin
Yes
prisma lark
I wish I knew how to make avatars
livid bluff
Its quite easy
Well that depends on how you wanna make them
Like do you want your own personal avatar that you created with blender
Or something created by someone else
prisma lark
More of a "Take custom avatar ,add one thing in place of other ,done"
prisma lark
I am too stupid for it
livid bluff
Ok
You need to have a plan
Like what model and what do you want to add to it
You cant say your too stupid for it when you havent even tried
Have you?
prisma lark
I don't know how does blender and everything work
I had 10 hours and I still haven't got how to move camera
livid bluff
I dont know how to use Blender completely
But its not too hard to learn, If your clever enough then you googled stuff
livid bluff
Yes
I just created an avatar after 30 hours of work
Not straight ofc but I spent nights trying to figure it out
And if your going to give up in the beginning then you obviously shouldnt have an avatar. Or you could pay someone to make you one
hollow sluice
Youre not too stupid for it
livid bluff
Theres many options
prisma lark
Alright
I kinda expected to be just laughed at/bullied because I can't do it ,but okay
prisma lark
I kinda hoped for it
livid bluff
You hoped for it?
hollow sluice
Well. I wanted to send a pretty harsh but true msg but I stipped myself
I have a friend with like 10 seconds of attention span(not even joking) he has ADHD and he still managed to learn how to make avatars
livid bluff
Dude I just spent 2 hours on figuring out how to do jiggle physics
hollow sluice
All I want to stell you is that no youre not too stupid. But we both know that saying that you are and being sad about it is easier than learning how to make something. You really have to sit down and LEARN. Theres an Insane amount of info on this stuff so resolving issues is really not that difficult
faint skiff
The camera? You use the mouse while holding one of the mouse buttons...
faint skiff
Yes, like in 99.9% of all 3D programs ever made...
hollow sluice
I am just a little alergic to "I wish I could make x" comment. Its the same with 2d art. Nobody just wishes and can do it. Being good at something, no matter what it is takes years to master
livid bluff
Nah
I think I could master blender in about 2 weeks
Its just a different 3d modeling software
I usually use 3dsmax
hollow sluice
Mastering blender yea but not mastering 3d design
prisma lark
oh. Well now I expect someone to just call me a pussy for this vent
hollow sluice
Why would we?
Everyone was at your place once
@prisma lark hang in there. If you really want to learn it you can
livid bluff
Who cares?
Noone cares enough to call you anything
I also dont know why you keep typing in italic
livid bluff
Thats not at all what it means xD
hollow sluice
I speak fluent italian and you should check your privilage!
livid bluff
...
prisma lark
what am I
covert blade
Triggered?
prisma lark
I am bold one
covert blade
but are you bold enough to compete with the likes of me? 👀
prisma lark
no
tawny thorn
you're busy bolding when you could be absorbing tutorials is what you are
faint skiff
Navmesh AI pathfinding works surprisingly well. I wonder why more worlds don't have NPCs walking around or anything?
faint skiff
Ambience, generally bringing it to life, etc. There are lots of worlds with either static models and such. Would be interesting if they moved around or something.
crystal fossil
As long as it isn't costly, sure. 👍
Like, if it doesn't use IK or anything, I'm sure it's fine.
faint skiff
It does, but so do avatars..
crystal fossil
But avatars are avatars.
I'm sure it's a neat effect. I'd just need to see. Internet back tomorrow. \o/
IK can just be pricey. Hence NetIK existing.
faint skiff
Example test from yesterday. Please excuse the world looking terrible, I'd just removed all the lighting - https://youtu.be/vJ3flaCqso4
crystal fossil
I'm on data, bicc boi. 😫
faint skiff
Ah
crystal fossil
crippled
snow wadi
Btw do not change the distant objects, the view there was truly breathtaking ❤️
crystal fossil
Is your VRC the same as your discord? @faint skiff
So I can just search you.
To find it.
faint skiff
@crystal fossil Yes. The AI isn't in world though, it's just in a test dev version.
crystal fossil
oooo
faint skiff
@snow wadi In my world?
crystal fossil
If you just use grounders then IK is fine.
crystal fossil
But I hope it's not much more than that.
faint skiff
@snow wadi Ah, render distance and everything is pretty much how I'm going to keep it so yeah, that stuff's all going to stay the same.
Much of the lighting is borked on live though unfortunately, this is what the bar is supposed to look like - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629302253768933376/654695547407695892/unknown.png
Though I need to brighten up the main part of the tavern floor though as it's super dingy over there still
rigid crescent
oh right, the ceiling lamp collider you might wanna ditch, i have a fairly short avatar and i get stuck on them
brittle trench
if you for some reason want to remove samsung odyssey plus headphones
just know that you can remove them without cutting the wires, im saying this because i saw many people say they cut the wires, just remove the top pad then unscrew the plastic below it and u can unplug the headphones easily and replug them in the future if you choose to, no need for cutting anything.
vocal shard
What are some good and fun worlds with games like Murder 2?
crystal fossil
Honestly, there are more proof of concept worlds that have amazing potential than there are game worlds that are actually worthwhile. It's a shame. Maybe after UDON, their respective Creators will pick them back up and do something with them.
covert blade
There's board and card games if you like that
Monopoly (really well made), UNO, Sorry, Connect 4
crystal fossil
Can try PAROsync Beat Saber. It's actually the most fun thing in game to me rn.
Because it's pretty decent for Beat Saber in VRC. Plus it's Beat Saber with all your friends if you like.
rocky blaze
when you download the new sdk and it doesn't work 
usual bug where all i get is clear cache and playerperfs
faint skiff
@rigid crescent Will do.
crystal fossil
Then it's just a compile error.
Might have updated incorrectly.
Or had something in the project that doesn't get along with the SDK.
crystal fossil
Or.
faint skiff
I just about hit the lanterns but my avatar is 6'2", I'd not expect short avatars to get anywhere near them.
lunar cedar
@brittle trench I hope you're not being purposefully misleading. They are soldered in
https://i.imgur.com/r7ra8sk_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
crystal fossil
Funky Mic. 😏
brittle trench
@lunar cedar remove the top pad not the front, in there they can be unplugged
faint skiff
Oh wait, EVERYONE has the same collider, I forgot about that
Everyone is 2 metres tall, or something like that, at least as far as the collider is concerned.
lunar cedar
Are you saying there's a plug between these? Because that's unbelievable
https://i.imgur.com/JSPMkbN_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/XOPER92_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
The teardown even says that you must desolder them to remove the audio cables or make any changes to the halo.
https://m.imgur.com/a/xoYdEoP. There is no plug
crystal fossil
@faint skiff Colliders change though?
brittle trench
@lunar cedar is that samsung odyssey? or samsung odyssey plus? or samsung odyssey plus v2?
crystal fossil
Isn't it determined by the height of your viewpoint? I think the visual representation was the selection capsule you see when you have hand menu out and point it at people.
faint skiff
@crystal fossil Nope, you're always the same height as far as colliders are concerned.
The capsule you see isn't actually your collider, weirdly enough
It would make sense for it to be, but nope. It's why even if you change to a tiny avatar, you can't get through holes, or why you can still go through doorways as a giant avatar.
crystal fossil
I guess I haven't tested. I guess that makes sense as my 1000 meter avatar can still enter buildings.
faint skiff
I wish they would make it that collider though, but I guess it's to make it more idiotproof.
crystal fossil
Good to know. See, I still learn things after the plateau!
rocky blaze
welp i downloaded the sdk again an still it persists on not working
brittle trench
@lunar cedar i have samsung odyssey plus v2 and here is a proof of where the headphones can be unplugged from
lunar cedar
Oh cool, will attempt now
snow wadi
I thought the built in headphones were of high quality?
lunar cedar
They're good, but I wouldn't call them high quality. A $100 pair of over-ears is much much better
covert blade
@faint skiff Almost forgot about that since that's not how you would expect it to work
lunar cedar
And more importantly, way more comfortable. My glasses get pinched behind the ears by the built-in ones.
crystal fossil
scoffs in Index audio
glad bolt
glances in cmonBruh
lunar cedar
I live with people and can hear my neighbors since it's a multifamily building
I don't see how index audio would be good in my case
hollow sluice
the index input and output and the comfort of the headset is just very high from what I heard
rough pulsar
The volume falloff from the Index earspeakers is surprising. In that at even a short distance other people can barely hear even loud sounds.
rocky blaze
i personally like the rift for the reason of the controllers, running low on battery just pop in new ones and continue to play instead of the this built into the controller non sense
faint skiff
Do you often play for more than 8 hours at a time?
rocky blaze
used to
faint skiff
In a single session?
rocky blaze
yes
covert blade
Built into batteries aren't really nonsense since it saves you the trouble of having to buy rechargeable batteries and a battery charging station, assuming you can even be bothered to do that. Most console controllers and your phone have the same thing 
rocky blaze
but then you have to wait for your controllers to charge which interrupts playing
covert blade
That is assuming I play for more than 8 hours
snow wadi
The plus of having to use rechargeable batteries is you will never have to end up with a "Can no longer hold a charge" issue.
covert blade
That's almost as much as my average workday
snow wadi
rocky blaze
yep
have 4 rechargeable batteries have 2 in and the others on charge/already charged and when time comes swap em out and charge the other ones simple 
snow wadi
I have 8 in total, used to be for WMR so it's 4 a swap but now I have a rift S and it's 2 a swap xD
rocky blaze
how is the rift s anyway, av heard it has not as good tracking as the pervious
snow wadi
Are you nuts? It's better than Rift CV1 o.o
faint skiff
Yeah, it's only an issue if I play for more than 7 hours non-stop. The controllers only take an hour to fully charge, so even 30 minutes would still give me another nearly 4 hours or so.
rocky blaze
so if you look up can your headset see your hands?
snow wadi
Yes it can o.o/
rocky blaze
hmmm
snow wadi
The camera setup was well thought out.
rocky blaze
i think what's putting me off is the fact my graphics card isn't good and the refresh rate went down by 10hz
vocal shard
I used to have a 3 sensor CV1, I have rift S now and prefer it
molten gale
I spot a jamie
snow wadi
Not noticeable elen.
Coming from a lenovo explorer I BARELY noticed.
Is that a Jamie?
faint skiff
90 to 72 is definitely noticeable though.
snow wadi
rocky blaze
80hz*
snow wadi
It's 80 sweetie.
vocal shard
It's lower hz, but the screen itself is lower persistence and the pixels switch faster. My CV1 and most other headsets had a slight smear as the pixels changed.
faint skiff
I wasn't wrong. I was talking about Index at 90 to Quest at 72.
I don't have a Rift S.
vocal shard
Quest is 72hz. I couldn't do it. It looked like it was flickering in my peripheral
rocky blaze
you never mentioned the quest
faint skiff
I didn't mention any headset, but I did mention two different rates.
broken plover
why does it look like its flickering if most computer screens are 60Hz? I noticed that too when I tried out 60Hz mode from wmr
faint skiff
CRTs at 60Hz do look like they're flickering. LCDs don't because they don't lose brightness between refreshes.
That said, I don't remember noticing flickering on the Quest myself.
vocal shard
I think a lot of things are phycological based on what we expect
Like when I went from Lenovo to Rift S, at first the S looked lower resolution because I knew it was, but then when I went back to my Lenovo to compare, the Lenovo looked hazy and not as sharp, and now the Rift S looks sharper to me than my Lenovo wmr.
rocky blaze
i still love my rift
somehow got a new one for cheaper than the one i bought last year
one i had was having audio issues so got refunded by amazon
then a local shop were still selling them
vocal shard
For me image clarity and less sde is something that stands out. Everyone seems to have something different that stands out to them when it come to what's important in VR
faint skiff
Lots of VRC comes down to looking at people and the environment so visual quality is definitely important. Audio too, the audio on the Quest is just... I don't know how it ever passed the design stage - I heard the Rift S uses something different though? (the original Rift was apparently fine so I'm not sure why they took such a step back...)
vocal shard
The quest audio is better than Rift S imo (same idea, but quest is in front of your ears pointing back and Rift S is above your ears pointing down).
The CV1 Audio was good when they worked, but some kept getting one of the headphones broken, so maybe that was a factor.
I'm probably going to buy the PSVR headphones that clip onto the halo to give the Rift S headphones very similar to CV1
faint skiff
Rift S sounds better there. The Quest audio sounds distant, quiet and literally everyone around me (or in the next room) can hear it better than I can, and it's on my head!
vocal shard
Lol
I would use headphones anyway. Not a fan of the open speaker idea (unless it's for a good reason like index)
faint skiff
I used the Vive with DAS and then the Index. I was shocked when I went to the Quest. Legitimately the worst headphones I've ever heard, it's just such a weird design, the sound doesn't even go the right direction and the volume is below what I'd like, even at max.
vocal shard
I was actually expecting it to work like a bone conduction headphones when I first heard of the quest audio solution
trail gorge
question. what do the content warnings on avatars do?
faint skiff
In the editor prior to upload?
trail gorge
yeah
faint skiff
They tell you if anything looks horribly unoptimised or is above reasonable levels.
trail gorge
i meant the content warnings where you check Nudity/Sexuality, Blood/Gore, or Realistic Violence.
do they actually do anything in-game?
faint skiff
Oh, nothing. They aren't used.
pseudo basalt
Nothing and they still haven't removed them for some reason
Same for future proofing
vocal shard
It was from early days, but not used anymore. Nudity and stuff like that isn't allowed in game
trail gorge
except in private instances
pseudo basalt
Technically not allowed but not like they can moderate private worlds
Or that well in public for that matter
vocal shard
It not allowed in private either
trail gorge
i mean, people use NSFW avatars all the time in private. it's usually fine as long as everyone involved is okay with it.
pseudo basalt
It's just easier to say it's not allowed and turn a blind eye to it than officially state it
umbral reef
If it gets reported they get clapped- In private or not
rigid crescent
It's still against the rules private or not, you're just unlikely to be caught in private
pseudo basalt
Because big facebook money
vocal shard
If anything surfaces that shows it has been used in private, you run the risk of getting banned
pseudo basalt
I don't think they want to associate their game with nsfw
But they're also not really doing anything about it
vocal shard
This has been like this for a long time
umbral reef
Well what could they do about it?
pseudo basalt
Nothing would be the smart course of action
umbral reef
Check all avatars?
go into private worlds? Lmao
rigid crescent
An old interview from the original creators mentioned they wanted people to have complete freedom even to do nsfw things as long as it's kept hidden away essentially
pseudo basalt
Just like in real life
It makes no sense to invade private instances with rules anyway
cloud lagoon
pseudo basalt
You're just gonna piss people off and they'll either double down or go to a different platform
Way to bleed your core users
umbral reef
The rule right now isnt them turning a blind eye
Its not allowed, but they cant take action if its not reported. If it gets reported within any type of worlds your SOL and will get punished.
lunar cedar
Gotta "protect the children"
The particular rule may not be in the community guidelines, but it's a statement in the TOS. That statement is the standard catch-all type of crap that makes nearly anything not allowed.
faint skiff
Who exactly are they protecting from private instances anyway? And yeah, I can imagine that rule is actually going to be one of the core things that pushes people to other platforms.
No-one wants to be banned from seeing all their friends ever again.
lunar cedar
But you gotta protect da children hur dur
pseudo basalt
Blind eye aka not enforcing it
Because they have bigger issues to deal with than nsfw in private or even friends+
faint skiff
That is one of the US' prime retardation exports isn't it "But think of the children" said the closet pedeophile, deflecting as much as humanly possible.
pseudo basalt
and if people report then someone in your friend group doesn't like you
lunar cedar
Actually, that statement is from the British parliament
pseudo basalt
weed is also illegal in the uk but someone kept trying to sell me some every time i'd go out
and it reeks of the thing almost everywhere you go
technically illegal
lunar cedar
But yes, American gov does that sort of shit too. Luckily we have the first amendment to keep our government from taking that shit too far.
pseudo basalt
Some rules are more like guidelines or "we'll deal with it if it'll cause us trouble"
faint skiff
Doesn't the court simply overrule the 1st amendment whenever they feel like it? It's just another one of those "make people think they have any control" things, like the second amendment, like those gun nuts would ever actually do shit against anything the government did.
lunar cedar
They can never attempt to overrule the first amendment. That would be political suicide.
And illegal for that matter. Private companies can do whatever they want though.
rigid crescent
"If it isn't reported odds are you won't get in trouble" basically.
faint skiff
But anything can be reported by anyone, so I could just pretend to get close to a few people, find them or their friends with questionable avatars and then get them all banned. It would be super easy.
Who wants to use a platform with that risk?
rigid crescent
You could. It's probably been done too
lunar cedar
Probably part of the reason many want to see things like lavender succeed.
faint skiff
I mean shit, I got banned for 9 days for using an avatar that wasn't NSFW but they claim it was. Not even actually breaking the rules, but rules vague enough that they do it anyway and then they simply shirk any responsibility so you can't even speak to anyone about it.
rigid crescent
Lavender just seems like it would just most communities more split than they are.
faint skiff
VRC only has itself to blame for splitting communities.
pseudo basalt
There's more games like lavender coming out
lunar cedar
Enverex, that's exactly why catch-all rules are dangerous
rigid crescent
It catere to a lot of /vrg/ garbage too
pseudo basalt
So even if it doesn't succeed someone else could
faint skiff
"We may ban you, who knows. Maybe, maybe not, maybe go fuck yourself". I find it hard to rally behind a message like that.
lunar cedar
I've seen /vrg/ mentioned a few times. What is that?
pseudo basalt
virtual reality general thread on /vg/
a board on 4chan
or whatever people moved to these days
lunar cedar
Oh... That crowd
pseudo basalt
it's a mixed bag
rigid crescent
Yeah the strangest part is how it's the closest to JP communities I've seen lol
pseudo basalt
because it's full of weebs
faint skiff
Angry, unwashed weebs
rigid crescent
Well more like holding actual community get together that aren't just friend groups
still meh tho
faint skiff
As someone that used to use 4chan like.... 15 years ago, the last sort of person I'd want to meet, is someone from 4chan, lol
sullen escarp
4chan is way more normie than it was 15 years ago tbf
idle elm
holy shit you're a profit.
indigo fern
Well, 4chan isnt some all encompassing thing anyway, y'all know every board is pretty different
still lark
They're replacing the feature that was never used in the first place with something that people will also never use!
floral plinth
hi
lunar cedar
Gaze data is probably makes it so much easier to tell what people want than mouse pointer location
ruby needle
for sure
but not only interest analyse, you can also analyse psychological behaviour
ornate hatch
Huh? What this chat about
ruby needle
This whole Discord is about the game VRChat.
ornate hatch
Noice
faint skiff
I have to ask, why would you join a random Discord server if you have no idea what it's for?
fading flower
any issues with ping atm?
one of my friends is reportedly saying ping is poopoo for EU people for them atm
covert blade
Ping has always been pooopoo for EU players
umbral reef
Depends what you find poopoo
broken plover
200+ is poopoo
sour lily
1 ping
clever steppe
Abyond down to do someting with a group tonight if so @ me or dm me
gleaming patio
cant we just fuckin have EU servers and have a room be on either server
it's all on cloud anyway, it wouldn't even do that much
even the object storage already looks mirrored as downloads of worlds are really quick even here
covert blade
Ping =/= Download rate
lunar cedar
The cdn isn't the same as the server (I mean, it's the same company, but that's it).
gleaming patio
up to a certain point
right but im saying that the object storage doesnt have to be mirrored, but it already is
as it's all the same company, the same deployment etc... i don't think it would be such a huge difference if world servers would also be in european amazon cloud DCs
im sure it's all automatically deployed on the fly anyway (responding to load)
covert blade
Would basically end up with most Europeans staying on European servers and 'Muricans staying on 'Murican servers
gleaming patio
well, okay
umbral reef
And download rate will still not change even if its within the eu
covert blade
Now if this was a game that would rely heavily on quick response times then yeah I'd agree we need this
gleaming patio
im not complaining about download rate lol, it's already from european amazon servers anyway
alright how about we put all the servers into europe then? ping isn't a problem, right?
covert blade
Then the 'Muricans are gonna complain
umbral reef
Then it becomes worse for everyone overall really
rigid crescent
That kinda sounds bad
gleaming patio
everyone?
umbral reef
Oce to EU is laughable bad same for JP
lunar cedar
Yea, I hate American internet, but our international links are a lot better than Europe
umbral reef
Them going to EU is bad, but not wheeze worthy
gleaming patio
i'm just saying, on the overall the merica has probably the best links to everywhere
but i know the crying would be huge a game had only european servers
europe to japan is across america
umbral reef
So you knew the answer to your own question but still asked it 👀
gleaming patio
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my question was about additional servers with choice
or rather, spread some of the resources across the world
umbral reef
Ow yea- forgot they can just flip one switch
rigid crescent
But muh international rooms
gleaming patio
well literally, with amazon cloud they can flip a switch and servers will come into place across international DCs
but the game backend would need to actually distribute people correctly
which is work
umbral reef
So you want to region lock people?
gleaming patio
never said that.
umbral reef
And not care about international rooms?
gleaming patio
putting words in my mouth here
umbral reef
Well if they just change amazone that would be the result
gleaming patio
i didnt say that's the only thing that would need to be done
the backend would have to recognize where worlds are (and show to users)
covert blade
umbral reef
Like its a shit ton of work for what gain
Like what would it add to VRchat to have a lower ping only to people locally around you
gleaming patio
when users create a world, they would need to be able to choose where it should be
covert blade
I think we've got more urgent issues than that
rigid crescent
Splitting people up seems like a bad idea
covert blade
^
gleaming patio
the splitting is optional?
covert blade
Nope
umbral reef
I dont see how having 200 pingor my neato 20 ping for EU central servers would change the game enough for the devs to edit a shit ton
rigid crescent
Even the option is a bad idea tbh. We've got a pretty delicate social ecosystem
covert blade
EU people would stick to low ping EU servers and not go over to the high ping Murican ones and vice versa
stuck meadow
I heard some players dont pay there taxes
covert blade
I'm from Germany
And I can already see people leaving the game once they see that the only servers available are high ping ones
gleaming patio
theres a bunch of activities on vrchat (games) that would benefit from it
gleaming patio
well as of right now all the worlds are shit tier ping for us
lunar cedar
It would have to be entirely transparent to the user and only prioritize closer servers if the world has been flagged as needing low ping.
gleaming patio
that would be constructive
covert blade
Pretty much Jak
But then again wouldnt people just check their ping and bail if its bad?
gleaming patio
maybe it should just be invisible and the world creator automatically sets the region based on their location
covert blade
World creator setting region woot?
umbral reef
Then you still see the ping is bad and jump
gleaming patio
well, if people want that? i don't see how it would instantly destroy the community
in many cases the high ping doesn't break that much
it can just be a bit nauseating when people move like rubberbands
umbral reef
And how much does 150 ping difference make to a server if the game modes are janky made at best anyway-
If we talk about a shooter id agree but if we are talking about murder, the hitbox means a lot more then actually stabbing on time with most avatars :'o
Same for battledisk
covert blade
Which is why this isnt a high priority
lunar cedar
Would people actually bother doing that though? Seems unnecessary when ping has almost no effect unless you've got horrible internet and live outside the server region
covert blade
People dont move like rubberbands though
umbral reef
And i cant really think of what other popular high action games we got
gleaming patio
i dont know which game youve been playing
covert blade
VRChat
gleaming patio
blyat edition?
gleaming patio
dont kid me, what internet connectioon in germany is good lol
internationally, that is
umbral reef
Laughs in having dutch internet
rigid crescent
I usually don't see EU people performing any different than US ones either honestly
gleaming patio
you gotta be one of the handful of lucky ones who actually got stable fibre
covert blade
So because somewhere else in the world someone has a far FAR better internet connections means that mine's bad
umbral reef
Like the voip 'ping' difference is worse then any movement by leaps
lunar cedar
That's cause most Americans have ***cast, which is garbage even to US servers
umbral reef
having a few miliseconds delay when speaking is worse then movements lmao
covert blade
Uhhh, my friend living near Munich has stable fibre :I
gleaming patio
thats the kind of arguments you've been bringing, i thought it would be nice if i stooped to that level
umbral reef
But Sin- What would it add to the games then
Because so far you gave no reason to do all this insane work beside 'i think it would help'
Or i missed something
gleaming patio
a lot of games would perform a lot better, especially the shooting ones
covert blade
"A lot"
rigid crescent
Those barely perform well US to US
gleaming patio
they dont?
rigid crescent
That's a VRC issue
umbral reef
How can you be for sure?
Hitboxes are still fucked anyway
gleaming patio
well if they don't even perform well in the US with US people what can i say 😄
lunar cedar
With new network Ik, they may work. But I've tried them in the current release and it's awful
umbral reef
VRchat isnt meant for high action, the avatars are made faily with hitboxes, the weapons have delays themself/unity delay anyway
covert blade
Surprised Pikachu face when you realize VRChat isn't an FPS game but a social one
umbral reef
There is a reason competitive battledisk groups all use the same avatar... Just so that the hitbox is fair
gleaming patio
is everything you know ad-hoc and whataboutism
rigid crescent
Battledisk, toooootaly accurate from day 1 amirite
gleaming patio
people have been bringing up a lot of good points but damn sasha