vrchat-general-2

[indigo fern]

It did

[umbral reef]

Im still against the option
I really dont see any positives from it

[frosty veldt]

There was one canny about just general improvements for avatar creators. Things like uploading for other people without logging in as them IIRC

[umbral reef]

They should have made is so that we could get the world where an avatar is from instead of this bs

[frosty veldt]

Public avatars don't need a world though

[umbral reef]

Before the sharing option they did
And thats where im getting at

[indigo fern]

That's one of the problems, they don't need a world at all, so people just upload straight up crashers public and let friends clone

[umbral reef]

Its LEAPS easier right now to get some bad shit uploaded and mass shared then with an avatar world

Even if its in that pre release world state so its not public it can still be abused. But its way less easy to do that and makes the step into doing so harder

[indigo fern]

Worlds can also just be outright uploaded now too with no review

[umbral reef]

and if you really want an avatar, you join that world, favorite it and boom you wont need to do that again.

[frosty veldt]

Avatar crashers can be avoided by just disabling animations in the saftey menu, the only crashers that matter anymore are client crashers imo

[indigo fern]

Avoidable isn't a good reason for it to exist in the first place and allowing it to spread

[umbral reef]

So because we can avoid it by limiting options we should not have a system what makes it so that bad avatars are less common?

[tropic thicket]

voted

[snow wadi]

There's a world I reported for having very revealing avatars first of July, it's still up.

[umbral reef]

Reporting worlds is a joke qhala
It takes way to many reports for it to work lul

[indigo fern]

Some worlds have been reported multiple times, taken down and re-uploaded time and time again

[frosty veldt]

Actually yeah @umbral reef , cloning has its benefits and I don't think it should be removed due to negatives that can already be avoided with other features.

[umbral reef]

Give me a benefit that cant be done with my system

[frosty veldt]

What was your system? Linking the world it came from in a sense?

[wide lily]

Let's see what happens first: will I successfully learn how to make the 3D model for my avatar, or save up enough to buy one?

[umbral reef]

Jup- And not allowing cloning directly from people themself.

Making a world is a 2 second job anyway and that comes form someone who does not understand world creating

[faint skiff]

Using your system, how would I "give" my friend the avatar I made for them? I don't want to upload it to a world considering it will only ever be cloned that one time.

[indigo fern]

Private world with pedestal

Only allowing them to go when you show them yourself

[umbral reef]

Give them the avatar? Like in unity?

[indigo fern]

And favorite or something like that

[snow wadi]

If you paid for the model you have the right to receive the unity package.

[frosty veldt]

Being able to test avatars on other people, testing network vs local by seeing someone else use it. A FBT user testing someone's model to see how it works in FBT. Making a private world and then going there just makes the whole process disjointed

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi No-one's paying for anything

@umbral reef Well no, because they don't have Unity, they don't want to learn Unity or the SDK, nor do they have any of the paid assets I'm using, nor will they be able to maintain it. That's the whole reason I'm doing it for them in the first place.

[umbral reef]

So why cant that be done with my system?
Never said it had to be a private world

[faint skiff]

So private worlds would work?

[snow wadi]

All of my custom models I got my packages for them because no way in hell are they logging into my account or putting it up on a pedestal or sort.

[frosty veldt]

Hopping worlds sucks, cuts you out of the moment and anyone else who didn't follow

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Different situation.

[umbral reef]

So you test all your avatars in public?

[snow wadi]

The whole point of VRC is to hop to worlds.

[tropic thicket]

they could have a trade window like MMOs

[umbral reef]

As thats what your saying right now.

[snow wadi]

This is the same VRC, isn't it? It is? Then yes hopping worlds is the whole point of VRC.

[faint skiff]

@umbral reef Are you talking to me?

[frosty veldt]

Testing an avatars network vs local is a very real thing and it would be awkward to have to leave to your personal pedestal world just to see something

[umbral reef]

Ow no i replied to scionzenos
But they can always remote into your pc and log into there and then you press the upload button ~

[frosty veldt]

Also no, world hopping isn't the point of vrc for everyone. Probably the last thing I want to do

[pale timber]

where are you gonna get a rat from lmao

[umbral reef]

Let me ask it again because your case is so stupidly specific and can be avoided without any problem if you cared to.
So you share the avatars your testing in public to strangers always?

[pale timber]

sometimes when i use an avatar and switch off it, it becomes unavailable and i can't use it anymore

[snow wadi]

If you have no intention of world hopping to explore content made by users world wide then this might not be the right platform for you.

[pale timber]

that's only when i use another one though

[snow wadi]

[frosty veldt]

Obviously not, I'm talking about a fringe testing case as your problem is also a fringe case as well imo. I'm talking about being in a friends plus world and testing avatars that way with friends

[indigo fern]

Nah, plenty of people just group up to chill with homies, I understand that

[umbral reef]

Its not though--
And why cant you just jump into a world, get them to try the avatar and test it there for a few seconds then jump back in?

[frosty veldt]

Just ease of the process I guess, no loading screen

[snow wadi]

Lots of games have loading screens >_>

[frosty veldt]

And people don't like them?

[snow wadi]

Even I have a loading screen, happens when I sleep.

[pale timber]

i have one at school

[delicate oasis]

You Guys have loading screens

[indigo fern]

It would be nicer if vrc downloaded things at a normal speed, it always feels like it's slower

[umbral reef]

And you value those rare cases of when your testing more then the option to get:

• Annoying/exploitive avatars cant be shared like wildfire
• Easier security options
• Easier to moderate avatar uploading
• No risk of mistakelingly having your stuff set to share when you dont want (this has resulted in bad avatars being shared or nsfw avatars being shared and the user and creator being banned for that mistake)

[indigo fern]

But loading already downloaded avatars are much faster now at least

[pale timber]

avatars take so much in the cache

i get like 30gb a day in publics

[snow wadi]

Depends on how optimized they are.

[pale timber]

a lot of people use very poor avatars though

[frosty veldt]

I'm all for better security options but even when people had to upload to public worlds things got through the cracks. All I'm saying is I enjoy the benefits of the cloning system, I'm not saying it's perfect

[umbral reef]

Laughs in 15 super HD materials avatars

[summer sage]

world hopping is boring but most of the time its necessary cuz of all the uganda knuckles and the 15 people speaking languages i dont understand

[umbral reef]

Things didnt spread like they do right now 💤

[delicate oasis]

-3-

[frosty veldt]

World hopping is just lonely loading screen simulator imo

[umbral reef]

We got avatar sharing because we had no way to get an avatar we liked. Now we got the lowest security, one button click for almost all avatar copying system

Id love to hear other idea's on how to limit the bad from avatar sharing but allowing for users to use/find/search for public avatars.

[tropic thicket]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/friends-only-models

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/generate-one-time-key-for-asset-upload-for-commissions

[indigo fern]

The one time key is a little eh, but friends only option sounds good

[frosty veldt]

The key is the idea to upload for other people, without needing their password

We need something like that at some point at least

[umbral reef]

Does sound like loads of work for barely any gain (for the devs and most users)
Its neat to have for sure, but i expect it being low on the on there personal roadmap

[polar jasper]

A main issue with the key suggestion is that the user is no longer in charge of what's uploaded to their account.

[frosty veldt]

It's obviously low cuz they'd rather yell at people for uploading for others than give us anything

Yeah I'm not a fan of how that canny wrote it, should be a request kinda system. "Joe wants to give you this avatar" kinda notif

[indigo fern]

Who's Joe?

[frosty veldt]

Joe mama

[polar jasper]

Gift system then

[vocal shard]

That would def be handy as I'm making an avatar for someone

[frosty veldt]

Should need action from both parties, to avoid abuse

[crystal fossil]

I meeean.

[vocal shard]

The one time key thing

[twin fractal]

Key system sound good to me actually

[crystal fossil]

They're talking about in-game currency for that purpose?

[polar jasper]

DainVR: On paper yes, but legally and user safety is another thing

[crystal fossil]

Or at least part of it?

[frosty veldt]

Not technically, as we having nothing right now for uploading for other peoole

[vocal shard]

It would be something you'd need to go directly to the devs to get, and the party receiving would need to open the request

[polar jasper]

https://vrchat.com/api/1/avatars/licensed
Is the closest we get

[vocal shard]

As in, the person who is paying the commission asks for the maker to get the key

[crystal fossil]

They're mentioning a currency system for situations like this.

[frosty veldt]

Gonna be honest there's no way I'm getting "vrbucks" for a commission if I can't turn it into actual money

[vocal shard]

I also think super veteran players should get one automatically

[indigo fern]

When and where

[polar jasper]

Having someone upload anything to your account, even with your permission, is not a good idea. You have no idea what's being uploaded.

[vocal shard]

Yea, vrbucks or chatbucks or whatever would be kinda crappy of. They can't be transferred

[crystal fossil]

Lol I don't like the idea of VRC trying to go the Linden route myself.

[frosty veldt]

If you don't trust the person to upload to your account you wouldn't give them the key to do so

[vocal shard]

Exactly^^^

[indigo fern]

We know they're hiring for a economy manager, but I don't remember hearing about any currency thing yet

[polar jasper]

You're now talking about majority of the ones that have payed for a commission =/

[frosty veldt]

It's better than the system right now of "here's my fucking password"

[crystal fossil]

Lindens are exchangeable for rl monies.

[vocal shard]

Maybe part of the commission pays for the key, making those 100 buck a chara ppl actually worth while

[polar jasper]

Yes it's better, but doesn't take away the fact that the content is now belongs to your account. Even if someone else uploaded it.
So, in the case of a rogue commissioner, you get a crasher avatar uploaded. It's now your account on the line.

[frosty veldt]

If vrchat makes avatar commissions taxable or weird people will just go around it

[vocal shard]

Cuz almost a day's worth of my job is honestly not worth an avatar

[crystal fossil]

They mentioned it in some stream.

[tropic thicket]

b l o c k c h a i n

[polar jasper]

People that do commissions can apply for a license seat.

[frosty veldt]

You can have a crasher on your account no problem, you'll only get banned if you use it maliciously and get caught

[vocal shard]

Crasher avatar?

[twin fractal]

My guy said blockchain 😂😂

[tropic thicket]

❤️

[vocal shard]

What's a crasher avatar

[crystal fossil]

If someone uploads to your account from their IP and gets banned, you can get banned too. At least for as long as it takes to get sorted out.

[polar jasper]

But what if you don't know it will crash people? It's these things that you need to look at.

[crystal fossil]

It'd associate their account with yours and just ban you both.

You and all the others they uploaded to.

[frosty veldt]

Depends on the ban iirc but I dunno

[crystal fossil]

not worth

[frosty veldt]

Too late for me smh

[crystal fossil]

"You didn't know your commission was from an arse? Too late now!"

[summer sage]

are u guys still talking about stealing "premium" avatars after 2 hours?

[crystal fossil]

Theft in general is meh. After a point, you have to accept that upoading to VRC is the same as uploading to anywhere else on the internet. Anonymity means everything is public domain.

It's only a problem for dummy heads if they get caught doing it irl.

[languid beacon]

The whole virtual currency thing is a bad road. You need the ability to cash out or it’s pointless and it’s a ton of legal hassle

Best to cut out the middle man

[crystal fossil]

SecondLife did pretty well. But I don't think this is capable of that.

[polar jasper]

Cutting out the middle man also has it share of issues. Pros and cons for both

[languid beacon]

If an 3D artist isn’t willing accept payment and hand over files they should reconsider their way of making money

[crystal fossil]

Right.

[languid beacon]

Likewise if someone wants to comission a 3D avatar but doesn’t know how to set it up in unity and upload it they should reconsider what they are paying for

[crystal fossil]

They just worry about the person they sell to just handing it out for free afterwards.

[languid beacon]

Then charge more for the risk or don’t do it at all

[polar jasper]

I'd say they are in the right to do so though if there is no license that states otherwise

[languid beacon]

Don’t ask for passwords

[crystal fossil]

Secondlife has a permission system and most things are made in-game.

[languid beacon]

I’m a 13 year SL veteran. And that’s embarrassing tbh

Linden is just a long line of mistakes. They are a good guidebook for what to avoid

[crystal fossil]

They have modded clients that rip stuff too and are still successful regardless.

Lol You can call it a mistake but plenty of money flowed through that game.

[languid beacon]

Look at it’s public perception

[summer sage]

guess im getting tired, thought you said you were a SL veteran and that you're 13 years old

[crystal fossil]

SecondLife wasn't really built to have a good view placed on it. Sex game, after all.

Just built for people to do what they wanted. No matter how odd it may be.

[indigo fern]

People do that more than enough in vrc, but at least it's not perceived that way to the public

[crystal fossil]

Lol SecondLife is not comparable to VRC in terms of lifespan and exposure though.

[indigo fern]

Of course not

Lucky enough vrc is just a cool meme thing to the normal public

[crystal fossil]

But I will say, my recommended vids for VRC are all shitposts and memes.

[indigo fern]

Yea lmao

[crystal fossil]

So give it time.

[indigo fern]

Depends where it goes is all

24 hour mirror challenge not clickbait (I almost died)

[pale timber]

omg not clickbait

[indigo fern]

Nsfw 18+ you won't believe what she did to me when I was tired

he*

[crystal fossil]

This is why girls shouldn't use full body tracking.

etc etc etc

[indigo fern]

Lmao you're saying that like the guys aren't as bad

[pale timber]

erp

[indigo fern]

The girls just happen to be the ones in publics

[crystal fossil]

Sorry "girls".

[indigo fern]

There we go

[pale timber]

lmao

[indigo fern]

So many things that just don't get shown luckily

[delicate oasis]

030

[high flare]

Lmao game just straight up crashed from some dudes animations, rip

[pale timber]

tfw you find nice avatars but they have annoying animations

[sonic sentinel]

Can a small play area work for vr or do you need a big space

[frosty veldt]

Index has the option is disable gestures and they said that feature to should come to other controllers

[broken plover]

if your playspace is really small you can set it up as standing only so you will just stay in that one position and maybe turn around but in short: Yes a small play area will work

[pale timber]

index

[polar jasper]

@safe elk not in this channel no, but #portuguese

[vocal shard]

Is there a way to regulate the volume of the voice of a specific person? Sometimes i'm in a world and other people has higher voice than others. I'm pretty new to this game, so idk.

[faint skiff]

No, unfortunately.

I have a "friend" who is very loud and I basically just have to keep him muted now.

[errant hare]

lol

[polar jasper]

@safe elk Você tem que postar em #portuguese se quiser falar português aqui

So yeah, stick to that channel if you aren't going to write in english here.

[frosty veldt]

Lmao

[sonic sentinel]

I think he a troll

[vocal shard]

You still don't get it?

[frosty veldt]

Just a troll, doesn't matter

[vocal shard]

Yeah, probably a troll. Brazilians be like. xd

[sonic sentinel]

Oof

este é o colega de canal errado, vá para #portuguese

[summer sage]

#portuguese

[ruby needle]

@safe elk Last chance, stick to the #portuguese channel or speak english

[broken plover]

or get clapped

[sonic sentinel]

Back to English now

[vocal shard]

How do people get such smooth lines with the pencils on VR? Is that the body tracking thing?

[polar jasper]

You can do smooth lines in desktop too. Just practice, for both really

[pseudo basalt]

Depends on how fast you write

[vocal shard]

lmao, hammered

[frosty veldt]

@vocal shard draw slowly, next update is going to help with drawing

[vocal shard]

They still update this game? Godamn

[summer sage]

i do nice drawings with my mouse atm

[pseudo basalt]

And if your pen is on your avatar or not

[vocal shard]

When is the next update coming?

[polar jasper]

[frosty veldt]

Before the end of the year

[pseudo basalt]

Network ik made it very innacurate for very slow and fast movements

[summer sage]

are the patch notes for this game on the webbsite or on their twitter / reddit btw?

[polar jasper]

#open-beta-info has the beta ones

[frosty veldt]

They post em in announcements iirc

[summer sage]

oh

[pseudo basalt]

It looks smoother to you than to others usually so it's easy to get confused

[vocal shard]

I play on PC, kbm, so my lines are all like, jaggered up
it's not smooth

[frosty veldt]

What's interesting is final IK is all locally computed instead of network

[ruby needle]

locally for you, yes.

but thats the other one too

and the resulting transforms are transmitted over the network

[pseudo basalt]

Desktop is hard to get smooth then

Since you're also drawing in an arc

[summer sage]

crashers arent allowed in public lobbies right? think i got lasered by something and crashed

[ruby needle]

crashers are not allowed at all

[pseudo basalt]

Yeah, it's just that you can't moderate private instances so technically everything goes there

But then again public moderation

[rigid crescent]

Publics are moderated? Lol

[vocal shard]

Crashers? What do you mean by that? Other people can crash your game? You gotta be kidding me.

[summer sage]

24 knuckles wants to know your location @pseudo basalt

[pseudo basalt]

Knuckles was a pretty wholesome meme

[summer sage]

my head was clicking for like half a year

[pseudo basalt]

Now you have emissive gasmask wolfboys with guns or scythes

that crash you because they're sad

[rigid crescent]

That's the perfect description lol

[pseudo basalt]

https://puu.sh/EECUv/b6c8f421d0.png

not mine, but I'm willing to bet

[polar jasper]

Missing a few audio sources and particle systems

[rigid crescent]

That's it to the black and white color scheme

[vocal shard]

Ngl, crashing other ppl's game, that's the ultimate douchebag move.

[rigid crescent]

Yup

[pseudo basalt]

vrc has a weird subculture

[vocal shard]

What subculture?

[pseudo basalt]

it's a power trip 90% of the time

[rigid crescent]

Block animstions from non-friends and you'll probably never experience it

[pseudo basalt]

it's obviously not intended to be able to crash others but that's the issue when you allow custom unity content

[summer sage]

well i prefer to keep stuff vanilla to give everyone a chance 😦

[frosty veldt]

Things are pretty vanilla with animations off, you can always use the particle limiter to save yourself from particle crashes

[pseudo basalt]

If they added a mesh limiter as well it could help too

[frosty veldt]

Or if you auto hide very poor avatars as anything with enough stuff on it to crash you will be over the limit

[pseudo basalt]

but then again shaders with tesselation exist

[rancid vessel]

Anybody know where i can get an avatar that looks like the dancing NPC on stage from the MMD Nightclub 2․6․5?

[frosty veldt]

Yeah would have to hide shaders which can look pretty bad if people don't have fallbacks set up

[pseudo basalt]

Doesn't matter much because you can show avatars per person

[frosty veldt]

That's what I usually do, hide animations and then show the people I'm talking to

[pseudo basalt]

Yeah

They show you an animation then they lag and crash the whole room because they did something wrong or intended it

[frosty veldt]

Only crashes I've had recently are because of VRChat or steam VR, not cuz of people

[pseudo basalt]

But that's too much effort for the usual crashers so it's fine

[vocal shard]

I refuse to believe that apes are still using model crashes in 2019

[pseudo basalt]

I've crashed some people by accident once with an animator toggle somehow

including myself

it's weird, it just took a jacket off

seems like there's still some unity quirks with animations

[indigo fern]

The worse part about turning animations off is not being able to see their expressions anymore, it's pretty pepega

[summer sage]

that too

[pseudo basalt]

doesn't matter because you don't see randoms in the distance anyway

just show avatars of people you're talking to

[frosty veldt]

That's why you show people who seem fine, you miss out on a little before you do but it's easy to show people

[crystal fossil]

Gotta block everything to be safe though eks der.

[vocal shard]

who wanna play

Or just not care if you get crashed

[uneven anvil]

Btw how tf can u even crash peoples game like shaders etc or what???

[vocal shard]

I run no safety and haven’t been crashed in over a year

[uneven anvil]

I never get it.

[crystal fossil]

lol You just don't instigate it, block the person, or leave. Or all three.

[vocal shard]

It’s too complex for you to understand

[uneven anvil]

Nani?

[vocal shard]

Put crash shader on high poly mesh

Bada bing bada boom

[uneven anvil]

Lazy

[pseudo basalt]

There are many ways to crash people

it just overloads the game and it hangs

[rigid crescent]

Lol Crashers usually have a small caveman brain, you can "instigate" it by literally talking to a friend, having s certain avatar, it them being bored.

[tawny shore]

Should Finally get my Rift S tonight.

[uneven anvil]

Im gonna get valve Index

[vocal shard]

It’s as fun as Russian roulette

[uneven anvil]

Ftw

[pseudo basalt]

Instigate by existing

[rigid crescent]

Valve index is definitely Russian roulette as well lol

I know approximately zero users without controller or hmd issues actually so I guess it's more like Russian roulette with a fully oaded gun

[crystal fossil]

Just the controllers. But my return is working perfectly.

[summer sage]

maybe i should follow ur advice paci and get full body tracking just to show how tight my closet is

[uneven anvil]

Valve Index or vive pro?

[vocal shard]

It’s really not worth it unless you’re gonna use it for erp

[crystal fossil]

Lol not pro. never pro

[pseudo basalt]

never vive pro

[uneven anvil]

😂 😂

[summer sage]

normal vive over vive pro unless u want to spend a few houndred bucks on stations

[rigid crescent]

It's totally worth

[pseudo basalt]

unless used and cheap, which is unlikely

pro is for Enterprise

[vocal shard]

4K erp at 120Hz

[broken plover]

vive pro is too expensive but overall its acutally good (not the controllers tho)

[rigid crescent]

FBT is important

[pseudo basalt]

and Enterprise can afford to spend too much

[uneven anvil]

What about valve Index?

[twin fractal]

Straight facts tho

[crystal fossil]

Vive Pro isn't worth it. If you're thinking Vive Pro, get the Index if you really want to spend money.

[pseudo basalt]

index is the best option for plug and pay high end vr

[rigid crescent]

Just prepare to RMA at least once.

[crystal fossil]

Lol Not necessarily.

[pseudo basalt]

but there are other options if you're willing to mix and match or compromise

[crystal fossil]

I hear latest batches are fine.

[rigid crescent]

Out of the almost 20 people I know with it, all but one has RMA worthy issues and the most recent one just got it

[crystal fossil]

Even with an RMA left controller, it was worth the money, so

[rigid crescent]

Someone who's admittedly an extreme edge case is on their 3rd hmd lol

Unlikely youll have that issue but

[vocal shard]

when we playing russian roulette

[languid beacon]

@crystal fossil SecondLife wasn't really built to have a good view placed on it. Sex game, after all.

You kinda just proved my point because it wasn’t made to be a sex game. Non existent content moderation let it become that and then it became the public perception of it and everyone else got disgusted and left. Same can happen to VRChat too. It only takes one random news article going viral and it’s forever labeled a sex thing.

It’s a vicious cycle because then you start attracting people who are only joining for that.

[rigid crescent]

I'm hype for the Vice article about the raunchy shit that goes down

I'm surprised we haven't had one post-boom

[twin fractal]

see Ugandan Knuckles meme

[rigid crescent]

I'm totally down to let some seedy web "journalist" only interested in a quick slam piece into my friend circles to get the good shit

[languid beacon]

I can hook you up with that

[rigid crescent]

aw shit

VR sex tourist boom incoming

[summer sage]

but wont that affect most games then? cuz isnt all games filled with WOMAN hating men that sexually harasses them throu mic? #BullyHunters

[rigid crescent]

That could've been delivered so much better

[summer sage]

yeah that's one of all my issues with socializing

outside of being almost mute

[twin fractal]

I feel this 50%

[slender mason]

o_O

[faint skiff]

Second Life always had a stigma of being weird before people started branding it a sex thing though. Easy to call it something like that when everyone already thinks it's weird and doesn't second guess it

[slender mason]

LMAO

[rigid crescent]

As far as I know VRC is just still "that weird anime game with traps" from the outside.

Traps being incorrectly used to mean anyone with an anime girl avatar

[faint skiff]

Although actual traps are common too, often just guys baiting people.

[pseudo basalt]

Guys using anime avatars getting called traps actually upsets me

[rigid crescent]

People falling for that are usually so gullible lol

It's usually just some high pitched anime girl voice, not even the least bit convincing

[molten gale]

My bestie actually has that kind of voice

Which is quite hilarious

[faint skiff]

Most of them are bad at it, some of them aren't too bad. I think I've only ever heard one person that I'd say was solidly convincing though.

[rigid crescent]

I've met maybe two or three people with voices indestinguishably female voices and they're very well practiced. Not just turning up the pitch to sound anime

[pseudo basalt]

I know people with voices like that too

[molten gale]

Ive met one

[rigid crescent]

Like actual natural human voices

[pseudo basalt]

If it's ambiguous it's easy to assume it's just a weeb trying to sound cute

[molten gale]

But yeah my bestie has a high pitched female voice and people mistake it a lot for a trap

[rigid crescent]

Yeah I've met girls with just high voices but those are pretty obvious when they're girls.

[summer sage]

must be slightly annoying

[pseudo basalt]

But it's easy to not care and take the bait because it's cute

[summer sage]

to get assumed for a trap all the time

[rigid crescent]

It's as if the people being tricked have never heard a girl speak lol

[summer sage]

sometimes i get a feeling that "this person has never seen anyone of the opposite gender"

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, I still play along until they swap back and then I just ignore the punchline lol

[pseudo basalt]

At this point to fall for a "trap" you have to be new to social games or do it intentionally

[rigid crescent]

Yup

I mean you'd have to be new to hearing a woman's voice lol

[summer sage]

you'd be surpriced how old some incels are

[rigid crescent]

I just let them do the obviously fake flirting thing, say "oh that's cool/cute/fitting adjective", and just "oh, alright" when the punchline kicks in

I'm anti-content for forced interactions like that lol

[pseudo basalt]

gUy iN vR jUsT doesn't carE (at 3 am) 😱
bot pls don't delete

[rigid crescent]

[cloud basin]

Imo people that trick others like that are either just bored, insecure, or both. Might as well humor them as long as no harm's done, and then shrug them off if they actually believe that they got you.

[tidal aspen]

what do you mean my vrchat waifu isn't real

[indigo fern]

She's actually your husbando

[vocal shard]

[shell zinc]

[faint skiff]

They enjoy the suffering of others, it's for their own amusement. Or in the case of it being streamers, because they think it'll bring in the views.

[shell zinc]

cant assume all of them are traps though

[rigid crescent]

that's why I don't

i dont really think doing a trap voice is going to cause anyone "suffering" lol

[pseudo basalt]

Well, it's not mecessarily malicious

[rigid crescent]

and I know of approximately zero big streamers that do it and still play VRC

[faint skiff]

If someone is trans of NB then I'd rather they point that out when someone calls them out for being a trap to clear up the confusion, given how the chances of it being someone being an ass are far higher than it being someone genuine.

[pseudo basalt]

Some people just want to be liked

And considering most people are lonely men

probably

[faint skiff]

The ones I'm thinking of are all people that did it for baiting purposes, as opposed to being genuine in some way.

I'm fine if that's just how they are.

[vocal sparrow]

can someone help pls? i dont see anybody in vr chat in all worlds , what to do , how to fix?

[pseudo basalt]

it's more likely to like a cute anime girl with a girly voice

people definitely like me more in vrc than irl

[rigid crescent]

Trapping people is pretty played out lol

for content at least

[pseudo basalt]

I feel like vrc is played out for content in general

[rigid crescent]

oh definitely

[faint skiff]

@rigid crescent These aren't big streamers, just the nobodies who have 4 concurrent viewers, or just kids on desktop.

[pseudo basalt]

unless it's something fun about the personalities involved

[tidal aspen]

content homie Cx

[rigid crescent]

im pretty much anticontent

[pseudo basalt]

I've almost never watched any vrc videos

and i steer clear of streamers

[indigo fern]

Ooga booga haha, see you later man

[rigid crescent]

yeah, the only one I can say I honestly have watched for more than a timestamp being sent to me is the one about the deaf community

and that's from like this week

the rest are just quick vine/tiktok/joke videos

[pseudo basalt]

there's nothing more annoying than a room full of people trying to get into a highlight video by being obnoxious around a streamer

[vocal sparrow]

@modern sand can u help me pls?

[rigid crescent]

yeah it's why i dont join on certain friends while they're streaming, only certain types attract that

Why's it always Rubick they ping? there's gotta be a reason...

[ruby needle]

Please do not ping admins for non emergencies.

[pseudo basalt]

woah you're famous hey look content

[rigid crescent]

if anything Rocktopus' discord avatar is the most approachable

[ruby needle]

Also, make sure you're not on the beta.

[indigo fern]

Luckily all the TTV names have disappeared because they finally realized the game has shit content

[pseudo basalt]

emoji dab fire 100 bass boost

[rigid crescent]

yeah anyone watched now is usually watched for the personality not the content

[vocal sparrow]

@ruby needle oh , fuck , thx u dude , i change to beta

thx , big thx

i will try

[rigid crescent]

or they're mute streamers who weirdos are projecting interactions and personalities on

[indigo fern]

Like you can literally troll in anyother game plus you can actually play something
Like in vrc the only thing you get to do is troll, there's no game

[umbral reef]

@indigo fern Hard to entertain a stream when you just sit infront of a mirror all day dont have a personality yourself

[rigid crescent]

Not many streamers are doing that outside of addressing chat

[indigo fern]

@umbral reef hi oclac, nice to see you, here's your ping back

[pseudo basalt]

if people like someone they will watch them do anything

[indigo fern]

😉

[umbral reef]

Thanks, im almost running out of them

[pseudo basalt]

so it doesn't matter even if they do

[rigid crescent]

either you're entertaining, your friends are entertaining, or you're a mute with weirdos projecting a personality and relationship on t oyou

[pseudo basalt]

id much rather just play vrc than watch someone do it

[rigid crescent]

Most people watching streams aren't people who play this game ,that's for sure

[ivory axle]

I watch when im too tired to play

[rigid crescent]

the few that do regularly watch and just watching their friends and lurking/chatting

[pseudo basalt]

I've got plenty of insecurities to project onto my avatars and persona so i don't need streamers

[rigid crescent]

That's why I don't get why people give a shit what their chat thinks about the game or expect them to understand anything about it outside of "gaem lag me angy"

[polar jasper]

Looks at their avatar

[rigid crescent]

yup

[mighty nest]

gotta manufacture content in a game which doesn't really have a goal. RP interesting scenarios and people would watch that stuff

[rigid crescent]

Oh right RP is pretty big

[polar jasper]

Only VRC streams I watch are the ones that do shows/events, since then I can sit and do other things at the same time

[rigid crescent]

like probably one of the most watched things

[umbral reef]

That takes effort though

[pseudo basalt]

i don't get watching streams in general

[umbral reef]

Not worth it :^)
Thats not easy money

[pseudo basalt]

it takes so long

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, organizing RP and whatnot is actually extremely involved

[polar jasper]

What about listening to a podcast?

[rigid crescent]

Ascension, Callus Row, a few others that I don't have any clue about lol

[indigo fern]

Those types of things are way better in video format anyway

[pseudo basalt]

and without a second monitor it's too much

[ivory axle]

I love watching streams

Watching a gta rp whilst doing homework or something is good

[rigid crescent]

Well the thing about RP streamed is that you can get perspective of multiple characters

[mighty nest]

Eh you can come up with a scenario and if you have decent actors, just improv

[pseudo basalt]

i occasionally watch vods and skip boring parts

[rigid crescent]

Like the two I mentioned easily have a dozen or so people streaming

[indigo fern]

Ohh, see now that's different, pretty epic then

[pseudo basalt]

but podcasts have the benefit of being background noise

[rigid crescent]

So you're getting the perspectives of different characters maknig different interactions, following different subplots

Organized RP is a totally different beast from casual funny improv

[pseudo basalt]

notices bulgy wulgy uwu

[mighty nest]

Yeah, but to that level of RP is a lot of work, like someone mentioned earlier

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, tons of it

world creation, avatar creation, story creation, setting creation

[pseudo basalt]

rp sounds fun and incredibly boring at the same time

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, I know what you mean

[mighty nest]

I'm good with improv, if it makes me laugh then its good for me

[pseudo basalt]

i guess it has to be done well

[rigid crescent]

I'd love to write for an RP but RP definitely isnt my thing

and typically people RPing are the ones collectively working on the world

[pseudo basalt]

sounds like a lot of effort too

[polar jasper]

It's like running a theater

[rigid crescent]

Yup

The downside to not having a worldbuilder or actual writer is well, a lot of RPers are what you'd expect lol

[pseudo basalt]

isn't that just acting then

[faint skiff]

Anyone know if you can turn on anti-aliasing in scene view in Unity? It looks terrible at times.

[rigid crescent]

that's why the larger ones are a lot more successful, other than the two biggest ones being headed by fairly large streamers lol

[pseudo basalt]

or is the writing a general script with improv thrown in

[rigid crescent]

Well it's more like organized improv, if it makes sense

[pseudo basalt]

yeah, i see

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, exactly. There's certain scripted events, but what goes on is different based on the characters involved

So "Side-Character gets shot, you have to find out who did it!" would flow different based on who was involved

A good eventbuilder would likely have multiple scenarios and ways to find the killer down, a plan if they don't find the killer, and be prepared for if and when the party goes "off script" from the paths you'd laid out. That's pretty much the sure sign of a good GM

But everything outside of that is up to the players and how they choose to go about things

[umbral reef]

Tl;dr
DND story planning but in VR

[rigid crescent]

Yup

[prisma sleet]

I would absolutely join that (or any kind of RP as long as it's SFW)

[ivory axle]

Wait dnd?

[mighty nest]

I kinda like content where people just tell stories and what not. Ask about some life experiences and people give what they got.

[ruby needle]

dnd is like DnB but with double the drums and no bass

(It's dungeons and dragons)

[rigid crescent]

Drums and Drums

Drums and Drums: 3.5th Edition

[prisma sleet]

Advanced Drums and Drums?

[rigid crescent]

There's a lot of "open improv" RP as well, but those are usually filled with really poorly written edgelord mary sues lol

[ruby needle]

drink and drive: go to jail edition

[rigid crescent]

still organized with good players here and there, but just meh

[pseudo basalt]

don't drink and drum

[umbral reef]

@prisma sleet most good ones are closed so what mic just said does not happen
That someone has no idea how to keep a story fun and sane wont join and ruin it for others

[rigid crescent]

Like as far as I know Purple Lotus is open RP

[summer sage]

has a quest vs any other vr war started ?

[rigid crescent]

Getting into RP communities that do their own smaller scale stuff isn't hard though, it's a good starting point

[prisma sleet]

mmm gotcha, but that's sad in a way

[rigid crescent]

Plus there's been signups for some of the other events, always new stuff starting

I gotta talk to some of my RP contacts about finding a place to send new people who ask about RP...

Since PL doesn't seem to be on the community server list despite it being big enough

[snow wadi]

People actually started booping me in VRC since that emoji.

[faint skiff]

Bah, some of us have always been seasoned boopers.

[vocal shard]

Would a Core i7 and GTX 1050Ti be suitable for playing VRChat with Oculus Rift + Touch

It's best to say what generation i7, because their specs vary greatly. As for the GPU, it's possible, but that's really the low end when it comes to VR

It's an i7-7700k

Oh, yeah that's fine

Also, which rift?

[ https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B073X8N1YW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1A75O7E02PIVX&psc=1 ]

Couldn't find model

so here is amazon link

Also, if you had an i9-9900k with 2x RTX 2080Ti in SLI what would the performance be like?

[umbral reef]

SLI in 2k19

[vocal shard]

ik

[umbral reef]

SLI isnt as good as it used to be.

[vocal shard]

I didn't think SLI worked that well with VR in the first place

ah ok

[idle elm]

I don't remember anyone ever telling me they have tried it or it works 🤔

[vocal shard]

haha

[umbral reef]

Serious Sam series has SLI support

[idle elm]

It's easy to assume each eye could be a card. But there is a lot more at hand when doing that 😄

In VR though?

[umbral reef]

Yea

[vocal shard]

VR Yea

[idle elm]

Interesting. Might be a special case

[umbral reef]

Its one of the few proper games with SLI support.

The tech is there and it works
But its too much work to develop with/for

As its rare anyway

[vocal shard]

Say, If I wanted to do one eye per card. How would I go about that

[umbral reef]

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks/graphics/vrsli As a dev this

As a consumer? You dont

[idle elm]

yeah

[umbral reef]

Does the RTX series even support SLI?

[vocal shard]

No idea

On the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, NVLink allows for up to 100GB/s bidirectional bandwidth between the cards (the GeForce RTX 2080 offers 50GB/s). ... Another new possibility with GeForce RTX NVLink is that SLI will no longer operate in the traditional master/slave mode.

So Master/Slave no longer exists

[umbral reef]

Well normal SLI isnt the same as VR SLI
I for sure expect it to function with VR SLI as its a tech they made...

[vocal shard]

VR SLI is different. Yes

I know

[craggy aurora]

So I do have to ask:

Is WMR worth it?

[umbral reef]

Depends where you live and how much other headsets cost.
Best bang for your buck hardware related is he Rift S
WMR is budget option but its proper VR and still magical

[vocal shard]

Mixed Reality? Not in my opinion, I would just go with standard Oculus or HTC Vive

[craggy aurora]

Yeah, my computer doesn’t support the Rift S (or oculus link, as it turns out), and a Vive is a tad expensive for a portable setup

[umbral reef]

Uuuu... why does it not support them

[craggy aurora]

I have a GTX 1060 and no DisplayPort

Only hdmi

[vocal shard]

Wot?

[craggy aurora]

Blade 14, 2017

[umbral reef]

So?
Convertors are a thing

[vocal shard]

I have GTX 1050Ti with displayport, DVI and HDMI

[umbral reef]

Or do you mean as legit only one output port ?

[craggy aurora]

HDMI to DisplayPort converters seem to not be supported by the Rift S, from what I’ve seen

[vocal shard]

Huh?

[craggy aurora]

Also, Oculus Link doesn’t support the 1060m

[umbral reef]

OW its a laptop

[craggy aurora]

Yeah

[umbral reef]

That explains it for sure

Even then the adaptor wont work as big odds its wired not staight towards the GPU but to the mobo

[vocal shard]

What is Oculus Link

[umbral reef]

WMR should work but @vocal shard should be able to help you more as they are the WMR waifu

[craggy aurora]

The Quest’s Nintendo Switch Mode, basically @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

oof

[craggy aurora]

Also, I just watched Jamie’s video. Good vid. Honestly, I’m convinced I’m going with a WMR.

Especially if it works. I don’t need anything mind-boggling for VR. I just need solid VR.

Though, the Index knuckles are pretty enticing, but the inside out tracking is probably a selling point now that I see how they’ve optimized it

[vocal shard]

See I might go with one because I am more focused on function than fashion

[craggy aurora]

Also, same

[vocal shard]

But I am torn haha

I want Oculus for style and I want WMR for function

[craggy aurora]

I’m almost entirely certain I’m picking one of those WMRs up and getting a phone to boot.

Rather than going all out on a vive.

(With Index controllers)

[vocal shard]

A phone?

[craggy aurora]

Yeah, I’m just wanting a phone too

[vocal shard]

Oh ok

I thought you meant for it to go with the WMR headset haha

[craggy aurora]

Though I do really want to try unity with the gearVR, ARCore, and a new phone to power it.

That would be hella fun

[umbral reef]

It would not though as that experience is as fun as building your own car from wood and driving it 100Km/h on a highway

It might work good
But its not good

[craggy aurora]

I’m aware, but it’s still a fun experiment, and I guarantee there are some things I can do with ARCore and a GearVR (albeit, the device is deprecated)

[vocal shard]

Find Oculus Rifts for CHEAPER at https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B073X8N1YW/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

they are Albeit used but hey, they are cheap

[craggy aurora]

For example, porting half-life into the quake GVR engine and then turning on motion support

Motion sickness? Maybe. Fun? Definitely. Horrible idea? Most certainly.

[vocal shard]

Quake GVR?

[craggy aurora]

Yeah

It’s a Sideload GearVR app

I used to play it a lot before my S8 got stolen

[vocal shard]

Shame about ur phone tho
Oh pretends to understand

[craggy aurora]

I think Smartphone VR was bad, yes, but ARCore was a missed opportunity, and that’s a fact

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[craggy aurora]

Also I miss the GearVR ui

[vocal shard]

Does VRChat have a version for Linux?

or no

[craggy aurora]

Probably with Proton

[umbral reef]

Its a gimic

[vocal shard]

[umbral reef]

And from google

It was doomed even before it got released

[craggy aurora]

ARCore?

[vocal shard]

OoOoOoOF

[craggy aurora]

You mean that thing that allowed smartphone VR to utilize 6dof?

[vocal shard]

I gtg cya all later

[craggy aurora]

A’aight

[umbral reef]

Apples AR kit is leaps ahead

[craggy aurora]

Peace

Also, that’s true

[umbral reef]

And i hate apple but googles AR is just bad for what we can have if we look at others

So until they actually start caring its not worth

[craggy aurora]

That’s honestly a really good point.

Agreed.

[umbral reef]

Motion tracking is the thing though on googles AR thing that usefull so far

[craggy aurora]

I’m curious if Valve is going to brand their partnered headset

Or if they’ll just manufacture it

[umbral reef]

Tbh i dont see why valve x apple would ever be a thing

[craggy aurora]

Well, neither do I

[umbral reef]

Apple can do all valve can without a problem

And then not have to lose money lul

[craggy aurora]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Gabe Newell would side with apple on it, but maybe it’s because of their efforts in VR? Maybe they’ll pull an Nvidia Shield all over again and release some titles for it?

[umbral reef]

Also well i just shitted on ARcore, i kinda have to undo that by now
The tech before what we had rn as consumers was just lame with andriod
But the recent minecraft thing thats slowly being released is actually reallly good with the ARcore

I could see valve doing the system stuff on it, making games can function on there product or that other software runs fine. Guiding them on not doing specific mistakes but that there are other companies that could do it better or just as good that arent valve... so dunno

[craggy aurora]

I think honestly it has to do with Apple’s intent to appeal to the gaming market

Which is why I’m guessing they’re going to do something with branding

I’m curious how they would go about it.

They can’t really brand it with the Steam name or they’ll rile up a shitstorm

Especially considering, uh

cough

Apple

Also the price

Probably just a Valve-AppleArcade thing

[idle elm]

It could also just be Apple talking to Valve about making sure people who author content can author VR/AR content on their platform.

macOS does support the Vive + SteamVR.

[candid hare]

I just spawned into the game at my Home and there was someone there!

[tropic thicket]

omg

[idle elm]

That sometimes happens when the servers or your internet is a bit unhappy! I bet if you looked it was actually a public instance and not a private one.

[merry shell]

Hey guys. I'm currently getting drunk out of my mind. Anyone wanna join me somewhere?

[royal panther]

yeh just got sent to a public world

[inner cape]

get out of here you alcoholic

🤡

[keen elk]

Okay sent an email off to VRChat Support, hope they can help me with that problem I mentioned last night/this morning.

[merry shell]

That's not nice @inner cape 😦

[inner cape]

i know

[copper quartz]

Hey im getting an issue with long loading times the loading screen shows 0 percent and no file size it will eventualy load in but everything about the menu is completly broken

[inner cape]

have you tried clearing your cache?

[copper quartz]

yeah ive done all the way to a fresh install

[inner cape]

uh oh

im not sure then

[copper quartz]

thank you anyways

[inner cape]

has it been an issue for long?

[copper quartz]

just started today played just fine for 8 hours yesterday

[inner cape]

you got enough space on disk c for cache and all?

[copper quartz]

my c drive is getting pretty full but still has like 40 gigs left

[inner cape]

damn, yeah, thats plenty

[copper quartz]

I dont know whats doing it

[wispy gulch]

start at the top and look at newest files first?

maybe you have a trojan server installed and people are loading warez on you

[copper quartz]

in the vrc files right?

omega lul restarted computer and its fine

[indigo fern]

cmonBruh

[unique mauve]

fr? Troubleshooting 101 my man. Let's start with that before posting.

[copper quartz]

yeah not my best moment

[unique mauve]

❤️

[inner cape]

[vocal shard]

There's so many voice actors in this, so awesome lmao

In what

In VR Chat. I've found like 4 voice actors hanging out in this game, it's great.

[spiral cipher]

I need someone's help plz, I meet two friends in VRChat and my pc got destroyed and they don't want happened to me.
And no I don't have they on discord, if someone can look for senor Be15 and sent me there discord, I can talk to them and tell them what happened...and they know I didn't abandon them.

They would be in around this time in the VRChat hub world, the one with campfire under a tree

[lunar cedar]

The odds they are here and check the channel are incredibly low. You may want to login to the website and see if they have a discord in their status or bio.

[keen elk]

@faint skiff @deft pivot Hey guys Update so you guys know! I think I may have fixed the problem. Apparently there was a 'minor' update to my graphics card that needed to be done - and for whatever reason that seemed to have fixed it. Huzzah - I'll tell you if it every comes up again but as of right now it seems fixed!~

[vocal shard]

Hey guys I play on oculus quest and my mic literally wont work

@everyone I play on the Oculus Quest, and my microphone will not work what so ever. I’ve made sure the actual mic was on, in settings in the oculus quest home. I’ve put mic volume all the way up in vr chat, and even resetting the settings. It won’t work and I really wanna enjoy this fun experience.

[spiral cipher]

@lunar cedar ok I did that and its not showing like that

[lunar cedar]

Then you're out of luck, sorry

[mortal musk]

oh hello!

[spiral cipher]

Hi

[mortal musk]

i just started playing this game

[brazen leaf]

same

[mortal musk]

im doing right know on my other laaptop

[brazen leaf]

and I've been scrambling around worlds to try finding a joker avatar wheeze

[mortal musk]

oh

[spiral cipher]

I'm trying to find my friends because my pc got destroyed

[brazen leaf]

damn dude

[mortal musk]

?

ligit playing vrchat on windows 7

[flint ore]

I need some help.

Whenever someone has a special screen effect going on, it goes upside down for me

I dont know if it has something to do with it, but if anyone knows, please tell me.

[rancid vessel]

@brazen leaf I know a few places to get DC Comic's Joker at as an avatar, If you are still looking.

[brazen leaf]

@rancid vessel yes please! I would appreciate that so so much!

[rancid vessel]

I found them by searching "DC" in the worlds menu.. RoseTheAdventurer's Avatar Island has one of the best ones I've seen.

[brazen leaf]

thank you, thank you!

[native robin]

Im sure this has been asked a million times but does anyone know the date of the 2018 SDK release?

[frosty veldt]

Before the end of the year is all we have

[native robin]

hmm okay thanks. Ill probably not bother waiting then!

[frosty veldt]

Yeah, unless you want to test something in the beta it's best to just not dwell on it until they give an announcement for it

[native robin]

[uneven anvil]

SDK? whats that

[frosty veldt]

software development kit, its what you use to upload stuff to vrchat from unity

[uneven anvil]

Oh k

[vocal shard]

Is it creepy that i doodle everyone's avatar in the rooms that i get in?

[sleek meteor]

no

[frozen garden]

absolutely not, hell i actually like it when people do that

[rigid crescent]

probably good practice, definitely not weird

[neon flume]

That’s really cute

[vocal shard]

Guys my Best Friend "DatMattyBoi" just unfriended my steam account and i had a mental breakdown Beacause how Much it Hurt my Feelings : (

[zinc scaffold]

Rip

[vocal shard]

i wish people could tell matty to friend my steam account again

[ruby needle]

No.

And this isn't a place for personal issues.
Keep that to dm's please.

[hollow sluice]

[north axle]

I got highly interested in participating in romantic activity not long ago.

[rigid crescent]

that sounds so official

[north axle]

It’s pretty hard to find a nice test subject / romantic partner.

[weary island]

🤖 Courting module previously engaged.

[hollow sluice]

It wasnt that hard for me tbh

Though I am a furry and the entire nanach community is a bunch of lewd furfags

[north axle]

Finding someone isn’t that hard, the real challenge comes with finding someone you really like.

[hollow sluice]

Well that was very easy for me

[rigid crescent]

nanachis

[north axle]

Can’t tell if I’m being picky or if I’m unable to do that in the first place.

[hollow sluice]

Well

I fell i love with a guy that I met on my first day of vrchat. He hloed me get vr and full body and now we plan to move with each other in 4 years

But he really is just perfect

[faint skiff]

Aww, and also wow, the first day..

[pure hemlock]

Wow

[hollow sluice]

Well yeah. First thing he did was shove a wiener in my mouth lol

[north axle]

It's a good thing you're not demiromantic.

[pure hemlock]

Oh okay

[hollow sluice]

Dont worry it was a hotdog

[pure hemlock]

You know it's love at first sight when

[hollow sluice]

Honestly he didnt really like me that much at first. But I guess I grew on him. Also the age gap between us is pretty big so he was against that too but I convinced him lol

[pure hemlock]

Uhh how big of a gap

[hollow sluice]

A few years

[uneven anvil]

Annnd we got another crasher

[faint skiff]

"a few years" isn't really a big gap, especially when you get older. It's a big gap when you're 15, it's a non-existent gap when you're 30, it's not a gap at all when you're 50.

[hollow sluice]

True

Hes just above 18 and I am not

But we wont meet irl untill I am 18 anyways

Since hes from america and I am from slovakia

[snow wadi]

Lunch time!

[hollow sluice]

Hungry time:(

[rigid crescent]

block animations from non-friends, bam, youre safe from 99% of crashes

[slender mason]

That's awesome @hollow sluice wish you all the best with him

Some life adventure brings lot of good stuff..

[hollow sluice]

Thank you. The relationship has benn going strong for about 4months now so I am pretty hopefull

[slender mason]

Hehe!

Thats cool!

[atomic jewel]

a guy is willing to sell he’s Vive trackers x3 to me. they are 120€ each here in DK. can’t find what they have been sold for previously as this happens never or rarely. how much have people bought them off in here that lives in DK or other european country? (second hand market that is)

[faint skiff]

They never go on offer. That price seems normal. Second hand price doesn't really drop either. I paid £99 each in the UK (cheapest place I could find them).

[atomic jewel]

i will see if i can get any off the price. looking like he’s willing to 🙂

[faint skiff]

Oh, er, are they v1 or v2? I'd not pay full price for v1 as they won't work with the new lighthouses.

[atomic jewel]

they are v2 (2018 model)

[faint skiff]

Ah, that's fine then. Blue/teal logo, yeah?

[hollow sluice]

Well I got 3 brand new for 250

Idk where you live tho

[north axle]

250 each?

That would be about the same as in my region too.

[hollow sluice]

No for all 3

[north axle]

Aw crap. Where the hell does everyone get their trackers so cheap?

[faint skiff]

@north axle 250 what?

[hollow sluice]

Well the store I bought them from didnt know what they were selling. It was suppose to be v1 trackers but they were actually v2 and I ddint have to pay tax

250€

[north axle]

EUR, I assume.

[faint skiff]

Well I mean they're only $99 / £99 from HTC directly, so I'm not sure how/why people would be paying more than retail price for them...

[covert blade]

120€, Enverex

[atomic jewel]

@faint skiff#correct they have the blue logo. i’m sure they are v2

[covert blade]

• shipping costs

[north axle]

Most stores around me sell them for $150–250 USD each, and there's not a lot of them.

[hollow sluice]

Htc doesnt ship outside of the is right?

[atomic jewel]

they are a bit more expensive on the HTC store here in DK

[covert blade]

HTC ships almost world wide

[faint skiff]

HTC definitely ships to the UK and EU.

[hollow sluice]

I dont think they ship here

I anted to buy my headset there but couldnt

[faint skiff]

@north axle Why would anyone pay that? They're only $99 from HTC themselves - https://www.vive.com/us/vive-tracker/

[covert blade]

They're the same price on Amazon too IIRC

[north axle]

Oh wait, you're right.

[covert blade]

Forget retailers

[north axle]

Now they ship 'em to my country too, hell yeah.

[faint skiff]

Amazon UK charge like £160 for them which is hilarious, good ol' price gouging.

[hollow sluice]

Amazon doesnt ship here either

[covert blade]

Woah

[hollow sluice]

Lol

[north axle]

Ooooh, wait a second, HTC sells them only through certain retailers here, so they're gonna be $170+ each for me.

[faint skiff]

If you're not in the US, stop using US dollars. If you are in the US, I'm not sure why you're having issues...

[north axle]

I simply converted local currency to USD to tell you how much it's gonna cost.

[uneven anvil]

Dude u kidding me now??

4 Times crashed the game in 15 mints

Thx to some chars who have shaders like shet

[north axle]

Raise your security level in Settings.

[uneven anvil]

K

[covert blade]

@uneven anvil Use safety settings

I'm surprised it took you four crashes to figure out there's a problem :x

[uneven anvil]

Nani tf no it just pisses me off that guy followed me for 15 mints

[faint skiff]

@north axle It's hard to figure out where to find things for you when you're not using your native currency. Also you're not in the US, I'm not in the US, so we're both using a currency that isn't any use to us 😉

[vagrant flame]

Vr so expensive

[faint skiff]

@uneven anvil Disable custom animations, that stops like 99.9% of crashers.

[uneven anvil]

K

[covert blade]

Then boot him off your friends list

[faint skiff]

That said, avatars that are designed purely for crashing (like one I encountered last night) would still work. I forgot to report the avatar author when I blocked the person using it last night which was silly of me.

[north axle]

To put it shortly, I'm gonna have to pay 480€ for three Vive trackers.

[covert blade]

Oof

[uneven anvil]

valve Index ftw

[faint skiff]

@north axle Where are you?

[north axle]

Eastern EU

[atomic jewel]

@north axle u might as well ship them from somewhere else then. where do you live?

[dapper epoch]

h1

[atomic jewel]

aight

[covert blade]

Good day

[vagrant flame]

Imagine playing vrchat w a vr

Who would do that lmfao

[faint skiff]

Hmm, the person I blocked had friends there too who were defending his crasher actions, saying that it's "just how VRC is these days". Unsurprisingly they were all using your classic edgy "sad boy" wolfboy avatars.

[covert blade]

Oof

@faint skiff can I join ya sometime ingame?

[north axle]

Classic.

[faint skiff]

@covert blade Sure. I'm normally on unhealthily late though, e.g. midnight onwards, till like 3-4am. I need to start getting on earlier and off earlier.

Which will be even later for you (you're an hour ahead of me)

[covert blade]

What time zone?

Oh, UK?

[faint skiff]

Yup

[covert blade]

That's uh... how do you manage

[faint skiff]

I'm dead inside and somehow manage to operate on 3 hours of sleep a night.

[slender mason]

That will not hold you for too long now

[covert blade]

Jeeeez

I'd be hella dead at work if I did that

[faint skiff]

I've been doing it for months, it's... odd. You start to exist in a permanent state of not being sure if you're really awake or not.

[north axle]

My company allows me to pay $350 for anything sports-related. Now, here's the question. Would Vive trackers count as sports equipment?

[covert blade]

Unlikely

[faint skiff]

I'd say yes as I think they work with the fitness software.

[covert blade]

I doubt they would take it serious

[snow wadi]

Pan I feel like you asked this before...

Few days back?

[covert blade]

Good day Qhala ^-^

[snow wadi]

[north axle]

A few weeks ago. I keep asking because I want to be sure before I consider making a request.

[covert blade]

Insert animated emoji here

[snow wadi]

[oblique igloo]

[north axle]

I can buy the trackers literally right now but getting them with the money provided by my company directly could be fun.

And if that works, God bless Amazon.

[vagrant flame]

Can anyone recommend some vr headsets? Looking to get into vr

[vocal shard]

I wanna know if the Oculus Quest can have full body tracking.

[north axle]

Quest? Probably not.

You still need Vive lighthouses for Vive trackers.

[vagrant flame]

Full body haptic when tbh

[north axle]

@vagrant flame What's your budget?

[vagrant flame]

Uh

£500 or below, would PREFER under £400

[north axle]

Okay, so I'm guessing either Oculus Rift (or Oculus Rift S), or HTC Vive if it's in the price range.

[faint skiff]

Well, "Lighthouses" rather than Vive lighthouses now that Valve are selling their own versions of the V2s (for considerably cheaper than HTC too).

[north axle]

Rift is all right.

True.

[vocal shard]

So should I get Vive if I want full body?

[faint skiff]

Don't get an original Rift, or Vive for that matter because they're both old and discontinued now and have low-res screens compared to current headsets. A second hand Vive for cheap isn't too bad as they are very cheap now and means you can use full body (then have a cheaper upgrade route to the Index in future).

A full Vive kit is only like £250 on ebay these days.

[vagrant flame]

Ok so which one should I go for then

If I shouldn't go for those

[north axle]

If you want FBT with Vive trackers, you need either Vive, Vive Pro, or Valve Index. I don't say this very often but Vive is the cheapest option in this case.

[faint skiff]

If you want FBT then the sane choices are second hand Vive, second hand Vive Pro or Index but Index is way out of your price range.

[north axle]

If you don't want FBT at the moment, you can go with Rift (which is not being distributed anmore) or Rift S,

[vagrant flame]

Rift s

[umbral reef]

@vagrant flame check that your PC can run VR first

[vagrant flame]

Can a 3600 and 5700xt run vr?

16gb ram

[faint skiff]

Hmm, Vive prices are going up on eBay, that's interesting...

Yeah, that spec is fine

[vagrant flame]

Alright

60fps yeah? I wouldn't want anything lower for the likes of vr

[faint skiff]

90

[umbral reef]

You want 90 for VR

[vagrant flame]

Oh

[faint skiff]

That said, in VRC you'll spend most your time between 40 and 70.

[umbral reef]

Best is to really just run the SteamVR benchmark tool

[vagrant flame]

That free yeah

If it is, I'll do that when my 5700xt arrives

[north axle]

If it goes below 40, VR is less likely to bring comfort for sure.

[umbral reef]

Its a free tool yea

[vagrant flame]

I don't think I'd be able to run vr on my 1050ti so I'll wait till I get my gpu

[faint skiff]

1050 Ti will work for things like Pavlov and other basic games, but more intensive ones will struggle.

[vagrant flame]

It sometimes struggles without vr

[vernal forge]

whats the refresh rate of our eyes ?

[vagrant flame]

So

[faint skiff]

@vernal forge Variable, but it can detect changes up to around 225Hz

[umbral reef]

Our eyes dont have refresh rates tho-

We can notice refresh rates and a high enough one will be fluid enough for our eyes
But our eyes are not screens that need to refresh, its more a constant datastream that can change how much it needs

People in extreme panic moments or when training for it can notice things leaps faster then others.

[hollow sluice]

My eyes can see at least 7 frames

[umbral reef]

Some people can barely notice the difference between 60Hz and 144Hz even...
Some can see from 144hz to 225hz

[vagrant flame]

Your all wrong, it's 30hz

Yeah but oclac have they tried seeing the difference if 144hz to 60hz instead of 60hz to 144hz?

Heard going from 144 to 60 is more significant than 60 to 144

[umbral reef]

Yes
Some still cant see it, its fairly rare but its a thing

[vagrant flame]

Damn

[umbral reef]

I run a 60Hz next to a 144Hz
Its like day and night for me when i focus on the screne, when i got random moving junk on both i dont really notice it

[vocal shard]

Should I just use an oculus quest and work towards a Vive?

[umbral reef]

Eyes are not screens you know

[vagrant flame]

Anyway I don't even have an SSD yet I dunno why I want to get into vr

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard If you want VR now thats a thing you can do, but i suggest getting a rift S if you want bang for your buck (Even though i hate facebook and there software bullshit)

[vocal shard]

What about the Oculus Quest because of the wireless thing?

[vagrant flame]

So for non fbt, what should I get?

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard Quest is more expensive than a Vive so not sure what the purpose there would be

[vernal forge]

@faint skiff thanks , been curious since a long while

[vocal shard]

I’ll keep looking.

[faint skiff]

Also the Quest as a PCVR headset isn't great as it's not that comfy, it's heavy, and if you use it as a PCVR headset it has limitations and additional load on your PC compared to a normal one.

If you don't want full body, just get a Rift S.

[umbral reef]

@vagrant flame if you want FBT, to mix and match instead of buying a new thing fully? You want to get Vive for now and slowly upgrade like most do. (Better controlers, better headset and ect) As thats the long therm benifit of using a SteamVR headset.
If you want bang for your buck? Get rift S.
If you want to use Vr everywhere and dont care about limits in visuallity and games? Quest.

[vocal shard]

Do I get the Vive pro?

[umbral reef]

How much is the vive pro for you are prices are extremely different everywhere

[errant hare]

If you get good price on a used unit maybe

[umbral reef]

Id personally only enjoy recommending the rift S or the Index from valve

[vocal shard]

Vive pro is $1,399 and the quest is $499 I think.

[errant hare]

Well if you want Vive Pro get Index

[molten gale]

If you dont want fbt get a rift s
Confused paci noises

[faint skiff]

Vive Pro headsets second hand are a bargain if you can find them cheap.

The price for brand new is hilariously over priced

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard might be worth getting an index then. Check the price on that

[hollow sluice]

I dont see the point in the pro. Index is so much better for cheaper

[faint skiff]

It existed before the Index, basically.

[vagrant flame]

@umbral reef I said I wasn't bothered about fbt, does the advice still hold true?

[vocal shard]

@umbral reef Can’t find Index

[molten gale]

I wanna get ftb for my rift s

[errant hare]

@vagrant flame If you don't care bout fbt Rift S would be the best option unless you can afford Index

[umbral reef]

@vagrant flame Then its worth getting the rift S unless you got money to spend then index. Ignore all Vive products then.

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard Valve Index.

[vagrant flame]

Rift s

[vocal shard]

Can you get fbt with a Rift s?

[vagrant flame]

Okay

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard Not unless you spend a shit-load more money for a hybrid setup

[errant hare]

@vocal shard kind off, you need to buy light houses as well

[umbral reef]

Or go for a worse FBT setup thats only worth if it you already have all the tools

[vocal shard]

Found the Index but it’s sold out.

[vagrant flame]

Does fbt really matter in vrc

[molten gale]

yes

[errant hare]

If fbt matters anywhere it is VRC

[hollow sluice]

@vagrant flameits amazing. Plus it works for other games like blade and sorcery or you can you the trackers for other things

[umbral reef]

If the question is do you need it to have fun while in vr?
No-

If the question is does it add a lot more to the game?
Hell yea-

Is the price worth it?
IMO nah-

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard That sounds unlikely, where are you looking?

[vagrant flame]

Alright

[hollow sluice]

Full body for around 250 is worth it imo

[vocal shard]

@faint skiff Amazon like any sane human.

[vagrant flame]

What fbt is 250

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard It's not sold on Amazon

[hollow sluice]

The vive trackers

[umbral reef]

Thats like 3 full weeks of working as a student 💤 not worth it for me man

[vagrant flame]

Oh is it 250, ontop of the headset?

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard It's only available directly from Valve.

[errant hare]

working as a student wut?

[molten gale]

In germany the vive trackers cost 33% more on amazon

[hollow sluice]

@umbral reef just kitbash avatars for a while for lazy people and you will get there. Thats what I did

[umbral reef]

@errant hare I work at my internship. So i get payed 25% for my internship hours and some tasks or if i surpass my hours i earn 100%

Tbh i could do that but then i cant bitch about those things

[molten gale]

I hope the rift s works well with vive trackers considering I cant find any info online

[umbral reef]

Should not clash so far i know

[faint skiff]

Don't the Rift S controllers interfere with the lighthouse lasers?

[hollow sluice]

Well I saw a tutorial on how to use index controllers with the rift s and I imagine the setup will be pretty much the same

[errant hare]

That would be the end of Paci's hopes and dreams @faint skiff

[hollow sluice]

Paci start a go fund me for an index

[molten gale]

My pc is too shitty for index

[umbral reef]

Jup become a mute streamer

Got the avatar already to earn money

[vagrant flame]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/163732905882?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=163732905882&targetid=538581660174&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=1007346&poi=&campaignid=1669190372&mkgroupid=67214013000&rlsatarget=pla-538581660174&abcId=578896&merchantid=10034324&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0KP83KX75QIVQuaaCh1ZIgF6EAkYAiABEgLXGPD_BwE

Rate my Garfield kart vr setup lads

[errant hare]

Index has almost the same resolution as Rift S, it shouldn't run much worse

[molten gale]

It has way higher specs

[hollow sluice]

You can just lower the res and make it look like the rift s

[errant hare]

@molten gale You mean recommended PC specs?

[hollow sluice]

Yeah beause they indend you to use all 140hz

[faint skiff]

Index uses two canted 1440x1600 panels, where as the Rift S uses one single 2560×1440 panel. I'd suspect that the Rift S actually loses a lot of horizontal resolution because of that.

[vocal shard]

That thing is way toouch money and holy unneeded bull shtaca

[molten gale]

Also I dont have the rift S since soooo long

So it would be dumb to buy a new headset

[umbral reef]

More FOV
combined resolution of 2880x1600 V 2560 x 1440
More subpixels in there LCD
And higher Hz options

So the index for sure needs more power

[molten gale]

Ill buy the index once I bought a new pc

I just wanna make sure that vive trackers work with the rift s

[vocal shard]

I don't think I'll ever buy the index unless I become like a famous person

[lunar cedar]

more subpixels doesn't imply a higher processing req. Just the higher refresh means it's potential is higher (and therefore wasted if your pc can't do it)

[molten gale]

Online nobody has answes

[vocal shard]

Lol

We're all mad down here

[errant hare]

so total res of Index is about 25% higher than Rift S, ok that is something

[faint skiff]

@molten gale #full-body-tracking

[molten gale]

When I asked there I didnt even get a reply

[faint skiff]

@errant hare With much higher FoV because the displays are where they need to be, rather than being a flat panel infront of the whole setup.

[molten gale]

So yeah gave up on asking there

[errant hare]

Yeah but I was just questioning Paci telling Index would lag them, fov doesn't contribute to lag

[faint skiff]

I mean Steam allows you to counter for all that. You can set the Hz from 80-144 and you can set SS to negative values, e.g. 80% rather than just increasing it.

[molten gale]

The specs are higher and my rift s is just 5 months old

I aint buying a new headset already

[faint skiff]

Just get a Kinect for now then

[molten gale]

Like I said, ill do that after I upgraded my pc