Hopefully the installer has a "Edit" option
#vrchat-general-2
lunar cedar
molten gale
Might actually create quest versions for most of my avatars then
Wait does quest allow cloth?
umbral reef
nope
molten gale
Guess the avatar im doing atm wont get quest then
faint skiff
PC barely allows cloth
I think you're allowed like 200 tris now before you get shitlisted with cloth physics.
vocal shard
Just that cloth is considered more performance intensive than dynamic bones. So it can make your rating poor
ruby needle
well, it depends on the amount of polygons the mesh using the cloth has
umbral reef
Thats why its tris capped
ruby needle
just like how it depeonds on how many bones are used with db
umbral reef
_And colliders are for both really bad ๐ _
ruby needle
^
faint skiff
@molten gale You're only allowed 200 tris to be affected by cloth physics before you hit poor (or maybe even very poor, I can't remember).
lunar cedar
It's not appearing in build settings?
slate verge
@vocal shard if only we have one like tafi's creator with anime ๐
i'd make my OC immediately
rigid crescent
Code Vein rips are gonna be the new unofficial VRC Character Creator lol
slate verge
really how
slate verge
where is this being said or shown
but i have seen their character customization abit
faint skiff
Does it work for character creator style characters? As I've not seen any others like that in-game.
mighty nest
Ooo default gas masks gonna be popular.
faint skiff
Gas masks are already popular for edgelords
mighty nest
I mean the pre-fab gas masks that every character in the game wears is going to be a popular rip.
glad bolt
I've seen rips of outfits from Code Vein on DA.
pale timber
bruh i just got votekick botted
crystal fossil
I already have most of the cast of characters from Code Vein in-game and animated. Tbh, getting your custom model takes more effort, but I have my custom toon in already. Just needs a little more love to look perfect.
Just need a world for them all really. The one that exists is like.. something at least.
My Cruz/Queen is my current pride and joy though.
I really don't see common users trying to get Custom Code Vein characters in-game. You have to really want it. It's not like MMD or CM3D.
pale timber
i just got kicked by a hacker and now no mirrors load for me. is that somehow connected
crystal fossil
Was it someone that had like 5 alt accounts in the same instance just to kick people for fun? I've seen them a few times.
pale timber
no it was a hacker everyone got kicked apparently
lunar cedar
I agree with sasha, their crasher avatar could've corrupted the cache
rigid crescent
@slate verge it's not said or shown anywhere, that's why it's an unofficial thing lol
i just mean that its so good itll probably be really popular once people figure out how to rip it easily and consistently
crystal fossil
I mean, it's incredibly easy to rip parts, if they wanted to do that.
pale timber
i cleared the cache but nothing happened. do i have to clear my local profile data too
crystal fossil
But getting their created character whole wouldn't be fun.
slate verge
@rigid crescent i wouldn't mind using it
terse yoke
i feel alone
gloomy nymph
you like fish sticks
humble cloud
Why haven't they fixed the sound issue in Open Mic Night yet?! So sad to see it dead. Wish the owner would just revert things back to how they were and leave it alone. Any ideas how to get the message out to get Open Mic Night busy again?
faint skiff
What sounds issues does it have?
humble cloud
Like I get what they were going for but it doesn't work and it's obvious no one wants it how it is so why wouldn't they just put it back?
The stage is loud, the main room sound doesn't travel far at all
It's hard to hang out there since it's hard to hear people just 10 ft away from you.
faint skiff
Hmm I wonder if they did that to counter the new sound changes which make EVERYONE really loud all the time.
gentle isle
Hi
fading epoch
It'd be pretty neat if you could categorize your uploaded avatars so it wasnt all in one section.
humble cloud
@faint skiffyeah I think so but they fuxhked it up and never bothered to fix it, pretty lame. That was such a good map for musicians to go! Now there isn't any good ones...
crystal fossil
Right?
Neos just released support for 11 point full body tracking..
Too many trackers for me.
molten gale
Ive heard one game wants to add 32 point tracking
simple schooner
yo does anyone know how to get the passcode for the Olphis escape game 3? really struggling here
crystal fossil
I mean, then your buddies could come over for VR sleep overs.
rigid crescent
presentation room was the only good musician map? i smell bs loll
willow ravine
the only good troll map, and by good i mean bad
indigo fern
cmon, everyone knows russians took over the presentation room
vocal shard
Does anyone have an estimate on when the open beta is going to be released?
covert chasm
fiery swift
Anyone know if it's possible to move around in VRChat with just the Leapmotion sensor and no physical controller?
I know it's possible to move around in Leapmotion games, but not sure about stuff outside their store
Closest I found was using a PS4 controller when you want to move, but I want to see if it's possible to cut out the PS4 controller part so I don't have to keep picking up a controller
restive shore
What are the limitations on non-full-body tracking? Can modern headsets still figure out most basic actions (crouching, sitting, leaning, laying down) with reasonable accuracy?
restive shore
Obviously legs moving independent of each other is where it starts to break down
covert blade
Somewhat. Laying down is broken though
Leaning probably also not so much since the rest of your body will move with your head
rigid crescent
Sitting and crouching will lead to the same ingame result
while laying down will get weird
fiery swift
I'm wondering how Leapmotion would handle avatar animations
restive shore
Weird how?
covert blade
Standing to crouching is a smooth transition
Laying down just snaps onto the laying down animation once you get close enough to the floor
Your head will be on the floor snapped to the animation but your hands will be above where your controllers are
fiery swift
Like if an avatar used a button for an animation, would I just have to make a gesture like I'm pressing the button?
covert blade
It doesnt really smoothly transit between crouching and laying down sadly
restive shore
Ah, transitions I'm not terribly concerned about.
covert blade
Laying down will still look bad
covert blade
But I have full body so meh
Now for a random fun fact
Today I met someone who had a big screen shader right as soon as he spawned and via an animation that happens on spawn it disappears after a few secs
If you have shaders on but animations off, that shader will blind you until you hide the avatar
Gotta love people doing that shit
rigid crescent
It's so weird people think that'll make them show their avatar when it really results in getting a full block lol
covert blade
I had safety off so it was fine after the three seconds it lasted but, boy
shell zinc
i dont really get the mindset of anything like that yeah
covert blade
And he made that avatar himself
restive shore
What performance block level would you guys recommend?
covert blade
So it's not like he just so happens to be using a bad public avatar, no
He literally made it himself and deliberately put that effect there thinking that messing with everyone's vision upon spawning is a good idea
I've seen decent spawning animations with shaders and stuff happening (Link avatars) but that shit is just annoying as heck. Like why blind everyone for a few seconds?
Why have that as a spawn effect
restive shore
I'd imagine a lot of people that play this game are pretty desperate for attention
Also, when you're not sure about something on the internet, most of the time the answer is "children"
covert blade
Well shortly afterwards he sent me a friend request. Denied that one
rigid crescent
You'd be surprised how many of these guys are like legit adults
Age-wise at least
Most of the ones I meet like legit are not kids, lots are over the age of 20
shell zinc
most people that abuse stuff avatar-wise are adults yeah
restive shore
Being a child on the internet is more of a mindset than an age-range ๐
covert blade
I mean he generally doesn't seem too douchy but apparently he has no idea how annoying screen shaders are
And if you dare to have an avatar like that, don't put it in as a spawn effect
Have it on a gesture so it only happens if you specifically wish it to happen
So glad my avatar is 
with no fancy effects at all
It has a few custom animations for facial expressions and rock&roll is middle finger. That's it
rigid crescent
I think mine is poor because of the 50 transforms
covert blade
Dbones?
rigid crescent
ye
covert blade
My avatar is static sadly
rigid crescent
Not terrible by any means though
covert blade
It's fine tbh
rigid crescent
Yeah I've always had extremely long hair on my models for the most part
my transforms were waaaay worse before I knew better lol
covert blade
Dynamic bones can be hit or miss sometimes and apart from that pony tail that my avatar has there's not much worth having dynamic
shell zinc
i think mine is good performance and ive never got complaints so that's nice
covert blade
Let's play a game of "Find the bad avatars" down in #vrchat-pictures
rigid crescent
aw that game's too easy
covert blade
It really is
rigid crescent
I've got a better one for you though, go to the movie world some time and look at the NPC-style avatars on the picture wall lol
covert blade
Will check it out sometime
But, yeah
See that yellow'ish one in the screenshot? 
Guy left of Hystero with his fancy shaders probs also dont really recall, the one all the way on the left with the black & white hair had the stupid on spawn screenspace shader
The dude right of that person tattoes all over. Also the screen space shader one also tattoes all over
shell zinc
the secret of vrchat is if you open up your menu you'll see a lot of 
rigid crescent
I still judge more by stats than just ! honestly. Like particles. I'm never going to see those so i dont need to hide an avatar for having too many
I've got animations off so anything that's clearly hidden behind them isnt an issue for me personally
covert blade
Just set the perf limiter to poor and see how many people disappear
shell zinc
i only start hiding when stuff's getting unbearable to play, which is usually only when the world's got like 20 people
rigid crescent
I'd rather just do it manually because I want to see as many people as possible and not hide people who have things on their model I can't even see
The symbol just makes it a lot easier to see who I should take a closer look at
shell zinc
this is fair
covert blade
Yeah true, but it makes ya realize just how many terribly optimized avatars there are
Oh yeah let's come here with 100k polys and 30+ mats on my glowy fuckboi
warped thorn
I set mine to Poor too, simply because if you don't care about how you affect others, why should I care about you in a social game?
covert blade
And when ya ask them why they picked it you get the response "It doesnt lag for me"
shell zinc
what if i start hiding only excellent performance avatars... would there be everyone except mason in my view?
covert blade
Mine is
rigid crescent
i think i have one or two excellents
covert blade
Not 
rigid crescent
one is my old umaru
shell zinc
ah right, my bad i thought the dot was excellent hahah
shell zinc
but i could just hide green in general
stray sundial
Maebbie might have that
desert stratus
not too impossible. my current avatar would be without dynb
stray sundial
He's an expert in optimizing
covert blade
Hmmm no. You can hide and
desert stratus
#vrchat-pictures for a pic of my avatar in a bit
covert blade
and above will stay
warped thorn
Mine is but could be easily modified to if I didn't want a few dynamic bones.
covert blade
I guess I always underestimate it because avatars may look low performing and then you look at the stats and be like HOLYSHIT
shell zinc
if i put dyn bones on mine it goes to either or i think, so luckily i dont care for dyn bones
covert blade
Mine doesnt have dbones
I dont even have the script >_> and the avatar didnt had any when I bought it either
So I'm already used to the static'ness
shell zinc
i might put the dyn bone limiter back on tbh, people complained at me because i couldnt see their breasts move, i just dont care for db
stray sundial
but the immersion
warped thorn
I tend to have 4-7 materials, but I use each and every one to it's limit! (I do atlas. It was 20+ before optimization.)
covert blade
For me it feels like the world and the amount of players present create the biggest drop in performance
shell zinc
i get the same amount of immersion whether people are flowy or not
covert blade
So pretty much no matter how much I limit things, performance in a full world is usually going to be shiet unless it's one of Maebbie's worlds
Then it is likely going to stay at 90 FPS from start to finish and I love it
vast tulip
so my steamVR just updated yesterday and the finger tracking seems much better in vrchat from it. anyone else seen this?
warped thorn
I use a custom made shader for my materials that's been optimized, so that my special effects don't lag people! I also made sure that it looks okay even with shaders off!
rigid crescent
VR on a laptop can be iffy even with the right specs
i think a fair amount have the HDMI on the motherboard and not the gpu
warped thorn
Now, if only I actually played VRChat a lot instead of getting more excited about more avatar customization.
I have more fun making them than using them, it feels like.
idle nova
Making stuff is fun
warped thorn
Ah, I use VRChat on a Rift S on my laptop. You have to make sure of several things. One, do you have a good enough video card to actually use VR? Two, is your DisplayPort actually attached to your GPU?
To check this, open your nVidia Control Panel and go to 3D Settings > Configure Surround, PhysX. Now look at the panel. A box with your video card name should be there. If your display port is in that video card and not on the Integrated GPU, you >might< be okay.
placid oxide
anyone i can add and talk to on discord and play vrchat with?
slate verge
is vrc going to become the next myspace? 
fiery swift
I've seen a bunch of avatars that have effects where I try them, and instantly remove it because I know those kinds of effects will annoy the hell out of people.
slate verge
thats good
fiery swift
I avoid anything that either obstructs vision, has earrape, or is flashy neon.
covert blade
I have avatars like that but unless I'm certain that everyone present is fine with me using it, I will not use it
fiery swift
I would say I'm in favor of all avatars having to be screened before being uploaded, but that would be so much work
covert blade
It's far more than just annoying
Some people can actually start to feel dizzy
And light sensitive people wont feel so good either
fiery swift
Did you see the video of that one guy who had a seizure, and some dip with a neon flashy Wendy avatar hung around
And wouldn't switch avatars
fiery swift
One sec
covert blade
My main avatar is and has no flashy effects at all
shell zinc
ive been getting really sick from all the screenchanging crap people have been doing lately... i can only imagine how it must be for some others, i wish people were a bit more.. considerate
fiery swift
covert blade
I generally dont like avatars with fancy effects unless I am specifically switching to them to do that. I dont want to accidentally trigger anything
fiery swift
The extent of the avatars I use regarding effects is just an aura
Like this plague doctor avatar that I used, has green poison effect aura, was pretty cool
covert blade
Yeah
But ya know, Vive controllers
Any avatar that can do anything special runs the risk of me accidentally doing it
I do have "safe" avatars though. Like SCP-999
fiery swift
They need to put in some way to lower sensitivity of controllers
covert blade
The screen space shader on that one is smol and pretty much just changes the color red
fiery swift
Sometimes it feels like just hovering a finger over a button will trigger an effect, kinda have to hold my controller in a weird way sometimes
covert blade
Unless I shove it into someone's face it'll be fine and people don't get sick either
fiery swift
I'm wondering, I've tried avatars that flip the bird for it's animation. I think it's funny, but could I be banned for that?
Guessing it would could as profanity
covert blade
Doubt it
I can flip someone off without it being rude
It depends on who you do it to and the context of the situation
fiery swift
Like if I do it jokingly, like with a friend
covert blade
Then it's fine
Again, it depends on the context
Watching the vid right now
I see, epilepsy was the issue here. I know someone who doesnt really have epilepsy but is just light sensitive
So bright lights are bad. That can come from flashy avatar, or from a really bright world
@fiery swift Alright, watched it
warped thorn
I don't use screen space, or anything really flashy. The shader I made is mostly for looking good in various lighting situations.
covert blade
Although tbh that Wendy character was still pretty tame
warped thorn
Especially with how lighting is all over the place in VRChat worlds.
covert blade
I've had my hands on avatars far worse than that, and I've seen people with even worse avatars that I dont even have access to
warped thorn
...I really should play VRChat more and Blender/Unity less.
covert blade
Probably
I think really the only two avatars I have with "safe" screenspace shaders are one where it is used to magnify the avatar's head
And SCP-999, which just has a smol red sphere around it that is just that, red
No distortion or image wrapping
raven silo
wonder if somone has reupload 100 avatar world with this upgrade lol
warped thorn
I have 73 outfits for my avatar, so... when this update hits, I'm gonna be uploading a lot...
faint skiff
I've got about 40 public and comission avatars to re-upload then another dozen personal ones. Oh, and 2 worlds. It's certainly going to be busy.
vocal shard
What's the update?
faint skiff
The Unity 2018 update, hasn't come out yet.
vocal shard
I've not been keeping up with VR chat the last few months cause of uni- finally finished, so I can sink some time into it at last ๐
assuming it'll just add functionality in terms of what you can do with your avatars then?
raven silo
new unity dont support some shaders anymore
fiery swift
Do I need to keep Oculus app open when using Viveport?
I'm guessing it's like how SteamVR works with Oculus.
Oh wrong group, thought I was in the VR Discord
placid oxide
anyone willing to add me as a friend on vrchat
vocal shard
can an admin mark the following two cannys as complete please?
https://feedback.vrchat.com/website-bug-reports/p/incorrect-tooltip-title-on-voice-offmute-button-for-friend-request-card
https://feedback.vrchat.com/website-bug-reports/p/no-ssl-support-on-helpvrchatcom
vocal shard
Anyone know where to get a nice darth vader avatar?
glad maple
wazzzaaa
silk valve
mind if i ask whats these Zoomers and Boomers are? kinda curious
vocal shard
It's referring to the different generations.
Like
Baby Boomers
Generation X
Millennials
Generation Z (zoomers)
It's become sort of a meme where generation Z is going after the Boomer generation.... So yeah...
silk valve
oh
shell zinc
just prepare to hear okay boomer every 5 seconds
devout island
ok boomer
shell zinc
well that's a different ok ill give you that
snow wadi
You'll get used to it, when children learn a new word they spam it to hell and back.
Toddlers do this alot.
indigo fern
nah, its like that for everyone
famous phenomenon is when you hear a new word you'll hear it again soon after
shell zinc
ill probably hear the word phenomenon a lot now, even though i already knew it before
snow wadi
XD
mortal girder
all avatars and maps are taking forever to load lately, is there a reason as to why? and how to fix it?
snow wadi
2 things : It's either your internet connection or server side, if no one else is experiencing the issue then it's your side.
mortal girder
hmm okay thank u
snow wadi
Np.
languid beacon
Boomer is anyone currently over 65 but under 80. Though more popularly it is only people of that generation that fโd over the environment and economy but anyway...
Even MORE recently its been redefined as anyone over 15, including those who hate real actual boomers so they donโt like being called one. So Being 33, Iโm already tired of it. :)
broken plover
so paci is a boomer?
vocal shard
We're all boomers now 
glossy sierra
i changed my user name to a new one but i seem not to be able to log in.. do i have to use my old user name when logging in?
broken plover
I'm only almost a boomer lol. Yes I'm actually that young
molten gale
use your email
glossy sierra
for the in game log in?
broken plover
Chaning your username only changes the display name. You still have to use your old username to log in
molten gale
Fun fact gen z is also called iGen
glossy sierra
well this sucks
molten gale
They cant even behave
snow wadi
Just don't even join a game chat or your ears will start to bleed.
broken plover
I played fn once with my friend and then there were 2 kids in team fill and they just randomly started trashtalking us for no reason, but my friend was madlad and did the "right back at ya backeroo!"
molten gale
Slowly starting to understand why many vrc ecouples are using discord vc instead
snow wadi
I just join private worlds and chat in peace.
snow wadi
Because there will always be children in public...LOTS of children.
indigo fern
in publics its mostly the people that are man children anyway
warm mortar
how about fixing generic avatars to be global instend of local
snow wadi
rigid crescent
with english exhibitor instructions~
https://www.v-market.work/v4/register it's really good too
glad bolt
viral hill
OwO wow I am actually able to type in here for the first time ever lol
vocal shard
Paci is being summoned
vocal shard
Witch
faint skiff
@warm mortar What do you mean by that?
vocal shard
Wtf
warm mortar
what
basically generic avatars are local, so only the player using them can see the GENERIC animations, other people only see the idle animation and thats all
so people just see you sliding in idle animation
not only it's making me upset.
it's making me MAD.
broken plover
oclac is a dutchie
faint skiff
@warm mortar OH, I see what you mean. Yeah, it's a weird bug, hopefully they'll focus on it after 2018 is out. I assume all their effort is going into that atm.
warm mortar
what effort?
tender flower
Oclac is dutch
broken plover
monopoly junior because of e_bag
warm mortar
it's not a bug. they dont care about generic avatars anymore
broken plover
Hand_bag
warm mortar
๐
tender flower
๐คฆโโ๏ธ
broken plover
tea_bag
vocal shard
Donโt talk about me behind my back
warm mortar
not e bag lol
vocal shard
I will pee in your bag
broken plover
do you pee tea?
vocal shard
I stink pee
broken plover
uh oh stinky
long dagger
Can anybody add me?
long dagger
I dont have anyone to play with
long dagger
WHy???
faint skiff
That's why you go to public rooms
snow wadi
@warm mortar If you have an issue and wish to see it resolved use the canny or support, depending on the type of issue.
faint skiff
@twin fractal Thanks. It's basically just an avatar dump and somewhere to test lighting but I thought I'd make it look at least a little cool ๐ my actual real world I was working on is unfortunately completely broken ATM and no-one knows why. No textures will render.
twin fractal
I thought it looked especially cool for an avatar world
plucky brook
@warm mortar A possible work around, create a simple human skeleton with weights applied to only one polygon. Set the shader for the material of that polygon to be 100% transparent. Now in Unity you set up the avatar as a humanoid, however the actual generic model is parented to the humanoid one and is the only model that is actually visible. Now players can see the generic avatar, and any custom animations you apply could still be set up to effect the generic model, but VRChat would be tricked into treating the whole thing as a humanoid, and would send the animations to everyone.
faint skiff
@twin fractal Aww thanks ๐
@plucky brook You don't need to weight the fake bones to anything
odd basalt
I know you can change your display name but, can you change your username or that remains forever the same and the only solution it's to create a new account? ๐ค
umbral reef
@odd basalt Cant change the account username jsut the display name
plucky brook
@faint skiff Sometimes zero weighted bones get deleted by Unity (unless that bug was fixed in 2017)
faint skiff
That was a CATS "feature" on export, I believe.
bold spoke
is out there some app where you just select your face/hair/clothes and it automatically creates avatar from it ?
and then uploads it to your VRC account ?
bold spoke
โค thank you
covert blade
You are welcome
broken plover
dont spam
umbral reef
@vocal shard Someone wants a bye bye ๐
covert blade
Kayra: Gets kicked for an everyone joke
This jackass above: Insults people and spams and is tolerated
vocal shard
No
broken plover
I think he got kicked but joined back
covert blade
How do they manage to get their role back so fast?
vocal shard
Anyway @halcyon plank dont get yourself kicked
covert blade
When I rejoined it took 3+ days
vocal shard
One more bitchy act and iโll call the mods boy
Meh
I would if i could , bitch ๐ ๐ค
broken plover
lmao
north axle
Thanks, @covert blade.
hollow sluice
F
vocal shard
Rekt
covert blade
That is a satisfying result.
vocal shard
Just... Why
covert blade
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vocal shard
Tbh i aint gonna ping the mods for nothing necessary like that
covert blade
If someone's joining just to be a butt in here I don't believe they belong here.
vocal shard
I dont want to bother the mods. Especially our lovely @vocal shard โค
Am i right homie?
umbral reef
Antogonizing the guy is then really not smart to do ๐
vocal shard
Too cute and wholesome to be bothered
north axle
That's the whole point of being a moderator. Why accept the role if you don't get pinged at all?
vocal shard
Hm... dunno lol
umbral reef
@north axle pretty sure we know some chat mods who think different ๐
vocal shard
Brb
north axle
Opinions don't matter โ people do.
faint skiff
@covert blade Trying to do an ateveryone is basically a kickable offence in most places though to be honest
covert blade
He could've still been warned, or gotten a reason when Dyno kicked him.
vocal shard
I think it was just a matter of circumstance
faint skiff
Anyone doing an at everyone knows what they are doing
You don't get a warning for obviously doing something obnoxious and stupid.
umbral reef
Also its a kick and not a ban for a reason
But the reason from dyno should have been added imo
covert blade
Exactly
warm mortar
should have done that rip
covert blade
You kick with a bot that has the ability to provide a reason to the kicked user. Why not provide one so the kicked person knows what they did wrong?
You can argue about it as much as you want. I say not everyone doing something stupid realize that they're doing something stupid.
warm mortar
also, after generic avatars were broken i started making humaniods till today
it's not a bad thing, but i sort of prefer the old generic avatars as well
@plucky brook but still. that sound realy painfull to do
vocal shard
Me getting kicked was an stupid shitty mistake dont make it a big deal
Both sides were wrong at this
I wanted to make people laugh by making a joke like this , and [redacted]
Kicked me to protect the server
But made a mistake
So yeah shit happens. I dont want to see this topic getting started ever again. Shit fucking happens and yeah me and redacted talked about it and he apologized for it even if i already forgave him for his mistake.
Leave that shit behind yall.
faint skiff
Says "don't make it a big deal" - "posts 8 consecutive sentences about it" ๐ค
vocal shard
@faint skiff i posted 8 โconsecutive sentencesโ just to make everything sure from get go for everyone. I dont want anyone to have stressful moments just because i got kicked from a modโs mistake.
hollow sluice
Yeah I wan about to say I had no idea what you were talk8ng about untill now
vocal shard
Got your answer good?
hollow sluice
Who are you?
faint skiff
Well I mean you were trying to goad people into @'ing the everyone meta, so the kick wasn't really unwarranted to be honest.
vocal shard
Yeah that joke was a bit spoiling but. I got kicked without a warn pal. This normally doesnt happen but i got kicked withoฤฑt any reasons because the mod thought i was an shitbird who were high on red ice. So , thats enough. Close that topic , flush this shit.
faint skiff
You don't need a warning when you clearly know what you're doing. It's like punching someone in the face, getting arrested then saying "What are you arresting me for?!"
covert blade
Why did I bring that up ;_;
vocal shard
@faint skiff i said โthats enoughโ
faint skiff
Good for you, but you're not my parents.
vocal shard
Drop that damn topic its over.
faint skiff
Also you're the one that kept it up, so don't pull that shit, lol.
vocal shard
Wow such an keyboard warrior! What a fucking shocker!
Sure
I apologize for giving stress to anyone.
faint skiff
No you don't, you love the drama and now you're just trying to save face, it's painfully obvious.
vocal shard
Move to dms pal. Im not gonna reply after this.
hollow sluice
Lets not. Guys
vocal shard
Meh anyway , seems that they dont want to. Not gonna waste my time anyway. Oh also: stop assumptioning with wrong facts , it makes you seem pretty bad there. Thats just my advice. ๐
covert blade
Move to dms pal. Im not gonna reply after this.
vocal shard
And they didnt ๐
faint skiff
Because I have absolutely zero interest in speaking to you privately, I'm just calling out your shit in the place it happened.
covert blade
Jesus fuckin' christ
vernal forge
is it over ?
vocal shard
I already finished it for myself.
hollow sluice
If this keeps going more people will be kicked
vocal shard
I told it already: โleave that topic behindโ ffs
covert blade
๐
umbral reef
Not chatting work you know
vocal shard
I made sure everything from the get go as well. I aint gonna accept any of the wrong fact shit about myself from people who doesnt know me.
Mistake happened , people tried to talk shit but i aint letting that happen to anyone and now flush that shit down.
Im gonna block the people who will be talking shit again btw.
hollow ingot
Ouh, would they still be able to know if you'd blocked them or has/will that be fixed? Would they be able to do the same for muting?
covert blade
Blocking in Discord isn't visible to anyone
vocal shard
Tbh i dont care about anyone but my friends
covert blade
And knowing you got blocked in VRC wont really change anything
hollow ingot
Oh, Discord. Okay~ oop
vocal shard
I just dont want to see peoplesโ dumb af comments
People are usually trying to prove themselves better by giving shitty assumptions just to get onto the top with being an โalpha keyboard warriorโ type
๐๐
And yeah i dont have any time for those soo..... ๐
@hollow ingot nobody would know if an individual have blocked someone on discord. But they could find out if they would friend you.
On VRchat you can learn it by not being able to see someone.
Which many shitbirds actually learned that way on vrc ๐
fluid bloom
Hey is there a way to like lower the desktop vrchat resolution but have it stay the same in vr like beatsaber so its smoother?
vocal shard
not that i know of
There was a way i think but i forgot the bind
Idk mate. What was the way to change settings on vrchat?
covert blade
@fluid bloom Hold Shift while starting the game
fluid bloom
ok it brought up the little thing
faint skiff
@fluid bloom Apparently (after changing the resolution as Sasha said) scaling the window down to be tiny also helps. Don't change the graphical preset though as that affects VR.
covert blade
Maybe
fluid bloom
if i set the graphics to low itll look bad on desktop but fine when in vr right?
well i guess i can try
fluid bloom
damn
faint skiff
You can change the resolution listed there as that only affects the desktop display, but don't change the graphics preset, leave it at VRHigh.
vocal shard
Changing the presets will lower the AA, which depending on your headset, can be quite noticable. I believe scaling down the window will lower the desktop resolution, but I thought it was just mirroring your left eye view anyway, not a separate render, so I don't think it would affect performance much
Compared to something like beatsaber which has built in camera smooting, which would affect performance on the desktop view
fluid bloom
well i changed it to 1280xsomething and it seems to be the same both in vr and on cpu usage so i dunno
though now that ive reopened the menu with shift its at the best resolution again
i dont know
But thanks for the help
faint skiff
@vocal shard The LOD change / draw distance is more notable than the AA to be honest, worlds are designed for VRHigh so you'll get weird pop-in on other settings, so worth people being aware of that.
languid beacon
I've been away from VRC for a while
do generic animations work remotely on the new beta
slate verge
welcome back
covert blade
Good day Adeon
vocal shard
@faint skiff yeah, I notice that mainly in the pug. I don't see much of a difference for the AA, (on wmr), but it seems to be everyone's biggest complaint
faint skiff
Worlds using LOD on trees are also likely to look weird. Not sure how much people use that though.
vocal shard
I'm not 
snow wadi
snow wadi
I'll play some overwatch for now I suppose
covert blade
That changed quick lol
north axle
I need a role model for my drawings.
There's one person I like and I think they'd be pretty good for this but I'll need to find someone just for practicing art if they're not into this.
broken plover
draw qhala
north axle
As much I share the enthusiasm in regards to Qhala's taste, I draw more or less realistic, yet highly glamorous characters.
fresh hound
anyone else having problems with vrchat servers?
before i logged in and just nothing would load but now i can't even log in
grizzled atlas
I keep getting sent to my homeworld, it's been like this for a week already :(
acoustic bane
what's with beta servers?
no beta works fine
sweet totem
Who here wants to leave the game aswell because Cubed Shader isn't supported anymore ?
umbral reef
Leaving the game because a shader person doesnt want to keep updating there shader because others have the same function already and more ๐ค
Odd thing to do but to each there own i guess
covert blade
^
sweet totem
Yeah but all your past uploads will be instantly fucked and when you have 1000+ avatars using it it hurts
covert blade
The risk of making content for an unfinished product
sweet totem
I guess so.
covert blade
And for as long as they keep updating the Unity version this will keep being a problem >_>
sweet totem
Still i think i'm moving to the L-word game.
covert blade
Lavender? Well I mean, you can
placid oxide
anyone want to add me on vrchat and talk to me in discord
covert blade
All your 1000+ avatars will still be fucked and if they ever update the Unity version then you'll run into the same issue again
sweet totem
I guess so aswell but i was probably moving there anyways so fuck it.
sweet totem
I was just on the fence about reuploading everything but i guess i have to do it now anyways
covert blade
If you still have the project files
sweet totem
I do but again it would take hours so might as well swap to a game not planning on putting a monthly subscription.
covert blade
VRChat planning on putting a monthly subscription?
sweet totem
I've heard form multiple sources that yes.
covert blade
Also confirmed officially?
umbral reef
And as both know users are legit mentally retarded in this game with rumors
sweet totem
I'm not fully sure if it was confirmed.
covert blade
Because it'd be an odd move to do that
sweet totem
They are doing many odd moves lately
covert blade
I mean, the game has been free forever and earned money through other means
umbral reef
Odd moves as in?
Being transparent in actions and goals for once?
Thats for sure odd compared to a year ago
covert blade
Odd in that the game has been free forever
vocal shard
Monthly subscription? I doubt that
covert blade
I would expect quite a number of players not being willing to pay for that, especially monthly
and gtg
sweet totem
I'm still unsure if it's any true to be honest but the fact that it is a possibility and i guess just the fact that models can be ripped from the game are reasons i want to swap
lunar cedar
Maybe a nitro like sub would be acceptable
vocal shard
They literally said, don't worry about trying to donate money or some form of payment to help the game, because they're good financially
indigo fern
lmao you think any other game has ripping protection
covert blade
AAA companies cant stop rippers
indigo fern
if you can see it and render it, its rippable, simple as that
covert blade
You except some small indie unity title to fix that?
sweet totem
They have a diffrent way of storeing models which from what i again heard could help make it at least harder
indigo fern
even if thats the case, the second one person finds out, everyone finds out
sweet totem
By that i mean they don't have it in your cache.
umbral reef
harder
What means nothing
umbral reef
Just like with VRchat you just need one tool to do it
lunar cedar
Memory is still inspectable if you have admin access, so non caching wouldn't help
indigo fern
not to mention that there are plenty other ways anyway
sweet totem
Again i have many other reasons to switch which are more on the personal side so even if the rest is false or useless i might still switch.
I have no idea where they would store the models thought
indigo fern
yea, just switch because you want to, dont make up or listen to someone elses silly bs
umbral reef
Also Lavender has a suppper active user base :^)
So much that i know death communties that get more active monthly
indigo fern
lavender isnt even out yet lmao
sweet totem
I didn't make up BS i just heard probable BS
indigo fern
you might be thinking of neos' player base oc
indigo fern
i dunno, they have a patreon with 100+
so even if those are the only actives, thats still 50x more than neos ๐
sweet totem
Also i don't quite care about the amont of popularity Lavender will have since i only hang out in private shit with 4+ friends all the time anyways
lunar cedar
I wonder what lavender will end up actually having. They don't have any public roadmap of features in dev and complete. They just say that they have feature X and feature Y.
umbral reef
If i can ask, why did you just complain about having to reupload 1000 avatars?
@lunar cedar Hopefully not a FAQ page with 5x the exact same info
indigo fern
They have a discord
He writes his progress as he goes, so it's kinda full of junk every day
umbral reef
I legit wonder how he will ever get funding that isnt from users who can drop any day and might outrun there server costs daily
indigo fern
๐คท
lunar cedar
they have a discord. You mean the one that isn't linked by the FAQ that says it's at the bottom?
indigo fern
Probably wont
rigid crescent
Gotta basically hope for lightning to strike twice in the same spot
lunar cedar
I've just come to the conclusion that it's just an urban legend of the metaverse. All the amazing promises while seemingly non-existent.
It's reminiscent of a utopia
umbral reef
Im still stupidly amazed VRC managed to bypass the second founding round with a non wheezable amount of money
Loads of services with high server costs, free core useage and no easy way to earn money (What vrchat doesnt have unless it changes its current core) often die out after a year of blowing up
rigid crescent
Yeah I see a lot of people unintentionally refer to it as such
umbral reef
Its like the sylicon valley investing bullshit but online :poggers:
rigid crescent
VRC had a lot of "professional" funding well before it's popularity
Which is a big let up to begin with.
indigo fern
wait, you didnt see the discord link at the bottom
its like, at the bottom next to tos and guidelines
lunar cedar
Oh, I didn't check the footer. I did web dev back in HS and that's not a part of the page in my head .-.
I wasn't looking very hard tbh lol
indigo fern
but thats where the faq was :notlikethis
lunar cedar
That's in the header
indigo fern
oh i didnt see that one ๐
i usually just go to the footer for stuff
lunar cedar
So you like feet then
indigo fern
๐ณ
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Look at websites like Plug.dj or turntable.fm both had a market that wasnt really rivaled, blew up hard and crashed just as hard because of legit just server costs without being able to make money or snowball investments.
Soundcloud is also an example, they are on life support pretty much, youtube also loses money but thats a marketing tool for Google so eh.
Wikispaces also stopped because the operation costs where just too high to ever make money again
So just that VRchat had money early on changes nothing. Early investing is something all those listed above had enough.
bold spoke
what was name of avatar the world with normals items like fan/toaster/lamp ?
rigid crescent
Oh I'm saying compared to Lavender. One has had a much better start as far as I'm aware. More "professional" I guess as far as the business side goes.
bold spoke
thank you <
umbral reef
Ow well then yea for sure.
rigid crescent
The social VR market is extremely small too, I don't see it getting much bigger any time soon so I feel like we're in an "only one can succeed" situation right now as well
umbral reef
vrc only really got big by acident also...
rigid crescent
And one is already very well established in multiple ways.
umbral reef
And tbh, if what vrc wrote in there blog post gets actually properly done. Gonna be really though for anyone else to get any footing
rigid crescent
Yup exactly. That's what I mean by lightning striking twice. VRC has paved the way for others to succeed but it feels like it s way too early for anyone else to have a chance.
indigo fern
and vket is a big boy event that leaks out into the real word, so having that is pretty ๐
umbral reef
Well i gotta say that RecRoom has managed to get a foot in the market but thats because they ran way from the VR social platform idea and more 'Everyone online' platform
lunar cedar
Apparently vket 4 in April
indigo fern
i kinda wanna make an exhibit, got like around half a year to prepare
rigid crescent
Theres English application forms now
indigo fern
Yup
rigid crescent
You need to apply now I think. It's only open for a month.
indigo fern
The whole main site has an English version
rigid crescent
Unless that's just the first wave. I was pretty plastered when I read it.
umbral reef
Welp time to start linking this photo when someone says some stupid shit like 'VRchat fried my pc' https://twitter.com/EmojiMashupPlus/status/1192978006861664256?s=20
still yarrow
they let non japanese have exhibits?
indigo fern
I think you were able to before, but now it's easily accessible
Because I know a couple of the previous creators were just Japanese speaking, so they were actually able to apply
still yarrow
i hope they let people outside japan get in, theres a lot of good modellers outside of there
median hedge
im new and dont have vr lol what are good lobbies?
indigo fern
They are, all the forms can be switched to English now too
tidal tiger
Is it normal my laptop uses so much damn ram of VRChat?
still yarrow
thats great
umbral reef
@median hedge All popular lobbies should be good enough.
tidal tiger
Itโs like at 85-86%
umbral reef
Depends how much wham you have
tidal tiger
8gb ram
still yarrow
i mean, it's a laptop.
median hedge
thanks
umbral reef
Then its normal
still yarrow
๐ค
umbral reef
8Gb is minium tbh for a game like VRchat or anything performance heavy
Mainly if its something like DDR3 and not 4
tidal tiger
I remember before I didnโt stutter so much before in VRChat
Hell, it rarely happened to me Even with 8gb ram
umbral reef
Cant say more people are optimizing there avatars so
rigid crescent
I wonder what non-jp modelers are gonna participate
I wanna see if Lyra does something for it, that'd be cool
umbral reef
Big odds the original creator removed it or got banned
You would need to find it again. Unless you upload avatars yourself they can be gone any day without there being a way where you can get them back really.
covert blade
That's why the main avatar I use is uploaded as a personal one
Can't take that away from me
@devout hatch Uhhh, I still have it
sinful matrix
Is it just me our friend list is bugged? Its updating every 5 seconds like crazy
covert blade
How's that bugged?
sinful matrix
When i scroll in the list from friends its updating every time
some dissapear constantly
vocal shard
its just the api being broken since around 24 hours or so
mental estuary
Wait, the upgrade to Unity 2018 LTS is what people have been waiting for in terms of multithreading, right?
Because right now it seems to be utilising multiple threads pretty well, and I'm certainly not in the open beta...
covert blade
AFAIK it being single threaded is a meme
But also, the newer Unity version should be a bit better in terms of performance
That being said it still heavily depends on the content creators to actually optimize
mental estuary
https://torch.is/sending-you/vrc_multithread.png
I mean I gave it CPU0 to itself to see how well it'd scale, it seems to have utilised pretty much every single thread.
faint skiff
Windows is terrible at showing threading. If you run a single core process, it'll look like it's using a little of every core. Either it's displayed weird, or it's core-hopping (with the latter being terrible for performance).
mental estuary
I mean CPU0 is reporting via LPC that it's running at 90% utilisation so I highly doubt it's core hopping and there's literally nothing else using that CPU. IT does appear VRChat is actually using all the threads on that CPU.
umbral reef
The job system helps speading things out even better then it does already for some systems. That some tools like dbones are so bad to calculate for most pc's is another problem that wont be fixed.
Takes a fair bit of work to set the job system up so i wonder if they will do it from the get go for most things or slowly
covert chasm
covert chasm
I'm going to keep posting this until people understand
I'm just gonna... keep doing it
covert blade
Trupper you're insane D:
People will never understand it
Have a bot repost it everytime someone brings it up
covert chasm
Yeah unfortunately for stuff that's this technical, the Dunning Kruger peak is quite high
mental estuary
i understand it, I was just in a rush and didn't have the time to read an entire wall of text :c
covert blade
Ohwell
mental estuary
sowwy tupper :c
umbral reef
Hows the sneezing kitty doing tupper
covert chasm
something something don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance, etc
he's ok
umbral reef
Good good
faint skiff
Don't you just love it when you think "I'll check how my light baking is getting on..." and you look down at the task bar and... Unity isn't there anymore.
covert blade
I'd like to say that I can relate but I dont
pseudo basalt
So I heard VRChat is finally getting multi core support??
umbral reef
Sounds like a normal day in unity
covert blade
@ยญTupper D:
umbral reef
@pseudo basalt Look up a tiny bit
faint skiff
What's worse is that Bakery loses all it's settings when that happens. LOTS of settings that you carefully tweaked over the space of days.
pseudo basalt
covert blade
Wait wat?
So you set up that stuff, save it, then bake it and it just goes into the void?
faint skiff
The "Enlighten" lightmapper is a bit... wonky and often crashes Unity. Bakery has to use it for some of the lighting probes.
covert blade
Sounds fun
faint skiff
Luckily using my RTX card, light baking takes 5 minutes or so as opposed to the 3 hours before.
covert blade
Jesus christ 3 hours?
north axle
I just had the most boring 8 hours in VRChat ever.
rigid crescent
imagine without bakery 
north axle
My disappointment is unmeasurable and my day is ruined.
I even prepared such a great avatar, and not a single goddamn soul I care about was online or in a non-private world where I could use it.
faint skiff
@north axle You have the community meet tomorrow though where you could use it?
north axle
Yeah but my avatar is for hangouts, not a public clusterf***.
lunar cedar
Was it that head stealer one? That one was awesome
north axle
No, that oneโs pretty old and by Splinks. It is pretty good though.
Anyway, I think mostly Hazbin Hotel fans would appreciate it, the rest would need to be in a specific mood anyway.
shell zinc
did someone say hazbin hotel
faint skiff
Hmm, I just saw someone using an Alastor avatar from that
slender pasture
yhea did someone say hazbin hotel
shell zinc
like a proper Alastor or one of them anime remakes of sorts?
faint skiff
Looked like a proper one to be honest
shell zinc
ooo, my dreams are coming true if so
vocal shard
is the game loading slow for anyone?
faint skiff
What causes the bwomp, robot avatar, new empty instane issue?
azure orbit
br?
civic plume
mic night is alive!!
vocal shard
any mods around who can escalate a moderation ticket for me? people are running around with a public clonable crasher avatar, i reported the avatar id via a ticket "Public/clonable crasher avatar avtr_..."
rigid crescent
blueprint id blocking pls
civic plume
i saw one yesterday
opal osprey
does anyone know if you can get banned for putting a curse word in your name
rigid crescent
Probably
civic plume
probs
rigid crescent
actually you'll get forced to change your name
vocal shard
@civic plume nope
lyric hinge
hi
rigid crescent
can confirm that one
opal osprey
damnit i was gonna change my name to bigus dickus
lyric hinge
im a boomer
rigid crescent
haha wow XD
rigid crescent
care to show a screenshot of the model if you have one? you can just crop out whatever names if you need
lyric hinge
make a boomer
vocal shard
lyric hinge
thatll look cool
rigid crescent
yes we get it, you just caught on to the whole boomer meme and youre trying to cash in to get some "internet lul points"
oooh thumbnail shot, thanks
languid beacon
So have they committed to 2018.4.12f1 for the next live release, or is that still up in the air? I am holding off updating my projects until it's nailed down.
rigid crescent
they mentioned something about that in the blog post
i think the version but not the f version is what's decided on or something? gonna be honest i skimmed it
faint skiff
Still subject to change
languid beacon
oof
are they at least sure it won't go backwards from 2018.4.12f1
i reaallly don't wanna back this stuff up lol
lunar cedar
Since they want some updates from Unity that may improve backward compat for avatars/worlds, that's only really going to happen (if it does) with a newer patch/bugfix version update.
civic plume
atleat they're trying ๐
errant flint
civic plume
he just private messaged me 
covert blade
When ya have safety on maximum and someone still manages to be invisible in Murder 2
shell zinc
moaning qhala
covert blade
I mean it does work 99.99% of the time
Is that a reason for @ยญActive Chat Mod ๐ค
north axle
How do you guys entertain yourself in VRC?
north axle
Okay, but what if youโve been around for so long that youโve seen thousands of people, and the majority of your friends isnโt even online anymore?
broken plover
thats the problem I have. Idk what I did, but at some point I just started trying to meet everone from this discord
crystal fossil
Making new avatars that do unique or interesting things. Sharing them. Fun for me.
Making them look as nice as possible.
Here recently, I make avatars that are basically cosplays. lul Finding characters I like from games or anime and animating them to be as close to the source/reference as is achievable.
molten gale
Spreading positivity and helping visitors
crystal fossil
I find it hard to find people that actually want to get serious about VRC, rather than just drinking and/or memes. "Social things" that are actually kind of antisocial most of the time.
molten gale
Im part of a few groups
crystal fossil
I like helping people make avatars, but most of the time, I just wander mute and end up having to hop worlds all session because literally nobody wants to actually converse.
crystal fossil
^
north axle
I came to a conclusion that one of the most fun things about VRC is impersonation of characters with personalities that are different to yours.
molten gale
That can be fun as well
crystal fossil
I unconsciously embody my avatars most of the time.
I end up just fitting the look and feel of them without realizing. People have had to point it out to me.
north axle
I tried being an extrovert for a day as much as I could, and.... I realized how stupidly boring everyone around me was.
crystal fossil
I guess that means the avatar was kind of like me to begin with.
crystal fossil
I'm just slow to warm. I'm only introvertive around people I haven't gotten comfortable with.
molten gale
Same kinda
crystal fossil
I can almost talk too much around people I know and feel close to.
molten gale
yea
north axle
Being an extrovert is extremely exhausting.
molten gale
yea
north axle
Itโs like doing a job you donโt like but x3 times more devastating because of social interaction most people donโt appreciate.
hazy gyro
covert blade
That moment when safety settings don't protect you from invisible people in Murder 2
blissful bloom
Guys where i can find my own avatars?
grave plaza
Gotta remember most people in VRChat are shy/recluse/awkward. I just avoid or block (if aggressive) the cussers, race baiters, anger mongers, and crashers. Never do private. Flit about quickly, test the waters, move on, settle down when itโs groovy. There is SO much going on in here from buskers to ebullience to bashful babes and broken hearts. If you truly feel for others, itโs endless. The more self-centered yo u are, the less there is to do inVRChat.
feral ginkgo
Hey, seeing how getting kicked from the world by hacked client users is a thing again, is there any logic applied as to how trust system counts being kicked from the world?
dusk mesa
Sadly no
feral ginkgo
So we're back to private lobbies then?
dusk mesa
Its also that you are not able to kick some client users either bc of anti kick or however they call it
feral ginkgo
That I know of, yeah
dusk mesa
You dont need to avoid public worlds, just go to a diff lobby, thats what i do
crystal fossil
I've only been kicked once and that was as a joke, then everyone moved to my instance.
dusk mesa
Not every lobby has a toxic client user
remote locust
here we go again, people saying its just a joke
feral ginkgo
Ehm, technically yes
crystal fossil
You can just tell who's likely to pull those kinds of dirty stunts and just move on before they have the chance.
feral ginkgo
But then it seems to be happening quite often recently
I don't even think it's targeted, looks like 'lobby clear' tbh
dusk mesa
Yeah, it does
crystal fossil
I think you should read what I actually typed, @remote locust. I meant no offense.
dusk mesa
There will be always a person who think its funny go crash a whole lobby
remote locust
i did read it ๐
crystal fossil
Apparently not.,
feral ginkgo
Saigo in my case I wouldn't be able to tell honestly
Unless I'd be standing in front of the spawn and check for any avatar that has 100% of the body with emission
_>
crystal fossil
I said I was kicked as a joke. And I took it that way. It was friends playing around. Then they all joined the instance I was in to make up for it.
dusk mesa
I got kicked a while back for being a female 
that was toxic
feral ginkgo
Guys, I don't mean normal vote kick and as a joke, I mean one person kicking without a vote even
dusk mesa
Yeah ik Subs
remote locust
its retarded and toxic
half pilot
Hey, does anyone happen to know if it's normal to have a report on a world that you made but is also private, when no one has visited it yet?
dusk mesa
@feral ginkgo they just kick whoever they want/dont like or whatevr reason they have
feral ginkgo
I don't care about my own rank to be fair but just allowing 'hackers' to fiddle with the system like that is quite awful and careless
half pilot
It says, I have 1 "reports" for aome reason, on the website
dusk mesa
BUT ik that i think the devs can see that and ban thos people directly, bc someone ik did thst shit as a "joke" and got instantly banned 2 hours after lul.
umbral reef
@half pilot Pretty sure by default it adds one in the statistics yea
half pilot
ah, ok. thanks
feral ginkgo
Where do I see that?
dusk mesa
Yeah its default
crystal fossil
It's just going to get worse until 2018 comes out. Then it'll slow down a bit.
remote locust
i dont believe that tbh
feral ginkgo
Right, when is it again?
crystal fossil
At least so long as 2018 isn't delayed long enough for modded clients to get patched.
dusk mesa
There will be people who are able to go around it again
umbral reef
They are redoing loads of networking what would should mean loads of these actions wont happen anymore
crystal fossil
Modded clients have to be written in an entirely different way than the majority currently are once 2018 is live.
dusk mesa
Oclac you said that months ago before a huge update came and look now
remote locust
lul true ^
dusk mesa
You basiclly have no idea about the people behind these clients and thats my word
feral ginkgo
Kicking a person from the lobby is a mod thing, I've seen a lot of hacks in the games but never one that allowed people to use moderation tools straight up and for this long
umbral reef
Beside the shit that the thing i said isnt there anymore just other problems
feral ginkgo
They better fix that, lol
crystal fossil
Lul. When you know people that literally write their own custom clients.
umbral reef
@feral ginkgo Game doesnt check who sends the thing thats the main problem
crystal fossil
And are already patching for 2018.
umbral reef
And the room creator has rights to always kick users thats why its even a thing
dusk mesa
There was someone saying here those day when the announcement came "tupper we already hacked the beta" bla bla and such, got deleted after a mod saw it.
And on public worlds the "room owner" doesnt excist
umbral reef
Most of the hacks like ripping and crashing will never be solved. Prop pulling also wont really be gone and the teleporting depending how its done also will just work
feral ginkgo
Imagine not getting security guy on the team the second you see that stuff happening in your game
remote locust
10 million $ btw
umbral reef
Security has nothing to do with wrongly writen code--
feral ginkgo
It does though
umbral reef
All the current devs should be able to fix this shit without aproblem
feral ginkgo
Doubt.jpg
dusk mesa
Its been like that for so long now and it isnt easy either. These hackers/codeing people or however they are called always find ways going around security systems.
crystal fossil
Security is just one person trying to keep up with an exe like VRC's real priorities.
feral ginkgo
There are seperate people for seperate things with vastly different knowledge
Dev making one thing won't know as much as a dedicated security guy
umbral reef
So a networking person should not know that using a P2P system is bad practice in a game like this?
feral ginkgo
And don't give me the sh** that they aren't able to fix ripping the avatars, it's in plain text without a client now
dusk mesa
I said it months ago and i say it now again. There are people who are able to go around a perma ban from there accounts. Oclac said back then it wouldnt be true, but it is.
umbral reef
Sounds like basic security knowledge anyone coding anything related with networking should know
feral ginkgo
That's child's level of knowledge
P2p is not a bad practice, especially when it comes to VoIP though
umbral reef
@dusk mesa Beside the fact we never seen proof of that shit lmao
Id totally change what i say the second you get me proof
By modern day gaming stadarts where loads of problems happen in games like it does rn? Ow yea it is.
dusk mesa
I am definitly not interested to get on a list from client users/hackers and ddos ppl, thanks
feral ginkgo
Problem with p2p in this scenario is leaving debug options on and logging too much data for normal user to see
dusk mesa
Get your proof yourself
umbral reef
There is a reason steam themself changed how there stuff works
feral ginkgo
It's the same with anything else, see websites that spill all their server information etc.
umbral reef
No proof just means you heard a rumor lmao
feral ginkgo
Security 101
dusk mesa
Nope, i saw people actually happen to them
remote locust
oclac why are you so ignorant
dusk mesa
No rumors
crystal fossil
If modded clients or outside exe's were an easily fixable thing, you'd think no game ever would have "hacks".
umbral reef
So wanting proof is ignorant?
remote locust
you deny everything unless you're shown proof
ruby needle
Thats how it works tho.
If you claim an action out of the loop of normal working it's okay to request prove.
feral ginkgo
@crystal fossil In case of Single Player game that makes sense, in case of MP though.. do you see MP games having their exe files hacked and then used?
remote locust
avoiding permaban as in unlocking your own acc?
umbral reef
@crystal fossil Loads of the shit that can be done should totally be patched though
feral ginkgo
There is server checks that simply disallow any 'invalid' exe
dusk mesa
I even saw people using VPN's to go around a IP Ban, lol
feral ginkgo
Otherwise everyone would be running whatever in every mp game, lol
umbral reef
Im now questioning all my sanity after you said that
remote locust
vpns are normal, they wont be able to keep ip banned people out
dusk mesa
Yeah ik
umbral reef
Soon you will tell me the secret or just rebooting my router to get a new IP to bypass a ip ban ๐ฎ
Or that a hardware ID ban can also be avoided by changing the hardware id!
dusk mesa
but if they are perma banned and they use vpns and are not perma banned anymore after, there must be something wrong.
ruby needle
Oclac, pls you also dont need to exaggerate. 
umbral reef
Who could ever think of that!
feral ginkgo
You do realize there are combinations of IP + HWID blacklists that actually work though right? See: Fortnite, Apex Legends etc.
ruby needle
Actually ther eis more then IP bans, but HWID can just be spoofed
feral ginkgo
And they can't get around it
umbral reef
You have account bans and IP bans.
Account bans means the account gets locked.
IP bans means the IP and all acounts related to that IP get blocked.
First means getting a new account. Second means getting a new IP what isnt hard.
dusk mesa
Yes, but Oclac is just not clear in his head, he always think he is the smartest but doesnt see the true people in vrc who do all thst kind of shit.
feral ginkgo
Or if they do they get banned 1-3 days after
umbral reef
@feral ginkgo They are a lot more tricky to bypass but have been getting bypassed. The main problem is that they often change there settings what undo's all the work.
dusk mesa
@remote locust there is literally no point in talking to that person 
umbral reef
@dusk mesa I literally know people who reported bugs that could make VRchat run .exe files they provided themself...
What means a pc would be fully compromised. Why do you think blinking was disabled for a while? Not for shits and giggles.
remote locust
oh then they should all be banned right oclac? cuz thats how people ended up last time
crystal fossil
Tbh, I know for a fact that some things said are rumors. Just because other people realize that and actually say something doesn't make them ignorant. Ironically, believing everything you hear for simple lack of actual understanding would make you the ignorant one?
feral ginkgo
If you run VRchat as admin then it's your own fault to be fair
umbral reef
Dont need admin if you know anything about the most recent windows exploits..
feral ginkgo
And you think script kiddies know them / know how to code around them
dusk mesa
@crystal fossil i saw it with my own eyes. I saw it in a video that someone did it clearly. Logged on, had a perma ban for 4years. Didsome things on his pc with numbers and what not, logged on again, no ban anmyore. And no it wasnt a VPN they used.
umbral reef
Use another account?
umbral reef
Its not hard to get an account with the same name ๐คท
And link 'the video' then
Or it it already removed
crystal fossil
Ooooor, hear me out, if it's the same video I'm thinking of, it was before they even started dealing out hardware bans.
dusk mesa
It was 3 months ago and got removed, like i said i wont PUT myself on a hackers list. I got ddos'd many times for being a female, lost my internet bc of them for many times
feral ginkgo
squadW
dusk mesa
I am good, thanks
remote locust
mi-cha buy a vpn
feral ginkgo
Get a Nord and hope for non-Norway server
umbral reef
Dont get nord...
crystal fossil
I can't play anything with a VPN anymore since my ISP throttles it. lul
umbral reef
If you want to use a VPN as a proxi just get a cheap one and not one form a marketing company
remote locust
somethings wrong
ruby needle
Shut down steam while playing should prevent the IP leak too, doesnt it 
remote locust
lmao fix your shit already
umbral reef
Having a competent ISP also helps like i have.
feral ginkgo
FPaul it did with DDoS, ye
remote locust
They can still send you home
feral ginkgo
Competent ISP? What does it do for you?
umbral reef
@ruby needle It does unless they grab it before you get on but eh-
Actual mittigate the damage?
Give easy options to swap ip's within minutes
ruby needle
well a VPN wont protect against that either then? @remote locust
remote locust
Lol not really ๐
feral ginkgo
Unless the DDoS is large enough to worry ISP directly or the ISP is next door they won't do any of that
ruby needle
So shutting down steam solves the DDOS issue without a VPN
remote locust
well if they use the steamid to ddos still it doesnt fix it
dusk mesa
Can u even close steam when u use SteamVR, i actually never did that or tried lol
ruby needle
yes.
remote locust
sign out of friendschat
feral ginkgo
@dusk mesa You're supposed to go offline on Steam, that should do
dusk mesa
So just going offline
crystal fossil
It's not hard to swap IP's if your ISP isn't making it hard, is what is being said.
umbral reef
Not like i been the target of a ddos attack for weeks
All it took was calling up my ISP to start giving a shit because we got a proper comentnt market here
dusk mesa
Not actually log off or close the application
ruby needle
going offline also works? You should be able to just close it too
umbral reef
Should be fully closed so far i know ^
ruby needle
thats the safest bet at least
umbral reef
You want it to stop using steam for the networking at all
remote locust
steam will close the application, if you do run it through the game library folder it might work tho
feral ginkgo
Debug command they use asks for IP based on SteamID but since you're offline it can't read that part iirc
umbral reef
Does going ofline really work then? Never knew that
feral ginkgo
So like, turning off that debug command when?
ruby needle
i'd not wanna bet on that till someone can actually verify that.
I'll recommend a full closure till then.
crystal fossil
VRC can run without steam. Sometimes I start SteamVR and can't open anything with my VR because Steam isn't running.
feral ginkgo
DEBUG command?
crystal fossil
I just never do it intentionally.
umbral reef
See how easy it is to convince me of shit. Actually give a logical explanation and i dont even need proof ๐ฎ